It's disappointing that new squads often steal from older squads and reduce their viability. For example, if you have a full DTMG squad on defense, then Gidme is no longer an option and your Iden squad is considerably weaker without Scout, Storm, and Death Trooper.
Thanks for the vid - I definitely learned something. I'll have to try that Phoenix+PreTaunt counter to Third Sister some time. When Capt. Rex had his level 9 datacron, I was using an all-Phoenix counter vs Third Sister which worked really well, but when the cron rotated out, the squad failed every time and I didn't know why. I didn't take the time to look into the details and thought it was only countering because of the datacron.
Thanks for the vid! I really appreciate the depth you went into and suggesting multiple counters from your experience. I do agree that most people use those counters because they have no other choice. if i ever have any trouble with any of these teams ill know what to farm! Have a great day!!!
Regarding the CLS-SK counter, I think you might be missing why it works half the time. In my experience, it all depends on the opening move or two. If you can kill Palps, SK is essentially blocked from getting his ult. The times that I failed were when I couldn’t kill Palps in the opening move or two.
It was very interesting to watch! Thank you for the great content! P.S. idea with fifth being a pretaunt tank in Phoenix squad is interesting, going to try it!
Excellent video. Love this, thank you Calvin. I typically use Bounty Hunters to deal with AdRad. What is a good replacement for AdRad counter if Bounty Hunters will go after Nightsisters instead? Would love more videos like this.
I'm like 90% sure that you can now beat SK team with GG if you have STAP with the omicron. I got to test it twice before the datacron came and it worked perfectly. Also, Stap can now be farmed in cantina. Hope that helps!
Something really worth mentioning - I am currently 8/0 in wins for Wampa Vs. Palp/MJ/SK. It may seem counterintuitive, but with 2x health sets with Health arrow and 1x tenacity w/ Tenacity cross, it'll kill them everytime. The counter DOT's kill them off. Just never hit SK unless it'll kill him, roar otherwise. In 5v5, it falls apart if Old Ben is on the squad (oddly enough).
I like BB8 instead of Nute for my GG SK counter. BB8 will start nearly your whole squad ahead of SKs, you can get rolling way before they do, and if youre lucky kill mara before she even gets a turn. I don't really use BB8 anywhere else right now, and it saves me Nute to play with trench.
I like that Trooper team for SK! With DTMG and Iden in the game I only have those four troopers left to make a Veers team, so often times I’m not using Veers at all. This is a great option provided I don’t need Wat to go with SLKR or SEE.
Regarding sk my gg has failed me one too many times so I resorted to using reva for an easy win if I don’t desperately need her elsewhere. For reva herself malgus works for me. For mm wampa is still my main counter as I don’t have a good iden, otherwise normal ep (without sk) usually also does the job. For traya I actually find a mirror to be the best shot in most cases if I can’t use a gl as then you can isolate savage and target whoever you want with nihilus while their nihilus chooses at random.
CLS vs starkiller data is skewed because of doubt atm, and in general depends on datacrons. If i have a good cron ill gun down mara while palp is usually the safer option and better for clean up
That one is so tough because DCs heavily influence it so much. If you play around with the data the counter falls a universal 20% just by turning on ANY DC for Rey.
2 issues with those Phoenix squads against the Inqs; #1, those are the wrong squad comps for the counter. #2, doubt cron kills the success of that squad to counter it.
@@CalvinAwesome Still nope. Very creative, but not what I use. However, using Phoenix while the doubt cron is active is pretty much a moot point unless you run into an Inq squad that doesn't have Reva.
Yeah I don't know - looking at your suggestions, they seem either extremely expensive or requires you to have like multiple of one unit because how utility they are. I have no idea how you're getting that 50% on Wampa, against that team, the only way Wampa would lose is extremely high relics (relic 7) on Kyle (and this is me, with a relic 3 Wampa), otherwise no shot you lose it.
Wampa was assuming minimum R3 on both sides. If you continue to raise the relic level equally it stays about the same. If you're looking at R7 wampa vs R3 MM team then it goes up to 68% though I feel the suggestions are pretty on par with the original counter. We're not dipping into conquest units or anything crazy. maybe the occasional double team, but I'd rather burn 2 teams and kill the team then lose half the time.
@@CalvinAwesome Yeah, but the MM for example, I feel like those that fair that counter just have very bad mods on their Wampas (very low speed and health) thinking it'll do the trick. That 50-60% feels cheated.
I'm not sure what to tell you, it can "feel" cheated but it's 30k battles of data. If you consistently have better mods than the majority of people your counters in general will work better.
@@CalvinAwesome Yeah, that's what I mean. The score feels cheated because clearly it's inaccurate based on the efficiency of the counter, which doesn't include the player's mods. If we added an ideal say 80% or higher modscore for Wampa on those results, I bet you it'd have 96% winrate.
I’ve lost a battle with my r5 Wampa with pretty decent mods to a similar MM team that had HRS and Cara at only g12. It’s definitely very possible to lose, and Iden really is a good counter. 1 zeta + 1 omi and I was able to consistent take out pretty much any MM comp with g12 storm death snow magma and pre-kyro Iden. I do think crex might shut that down, I’ve had some crex battles that take a while with my r5 Iden now, but that’s a pretty expensive MM team to box out a team that you’ve invested 0 kyro into
the chirpa omicron looks bad in hindsignt, but a lot of people have it because it was one of the first omicrons that dropped, plus lots of people in the lower GAC tiers that don't have GLs and meta end-game teams still use ewoks on defense.
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It's disappointing that new squads often steal from older squads and reduce their viability. For example, if you have a full DTMG squad on defense, then Gidme is no longer an option and your Iden squad is considerably weaker without Scout, Storm, and Death Trooper.
Yeah until we get more troopers we really have to pick and choose which one we want to use.
@@CalvinAwesome - There is no picking or choosing with DTMG in 5v5. We need more troopers, yeah, but we really need more Imp Remnants.
I mean you pick either to use Iden or DTMG
@@CalvinAwesome is that even a choice?
Sure is! At least the way that DCs fluctuate in who gets the power
I love the way you explain things, so clear that even I can understand not just what to do, but also why.
I've tried to avoid the "trust me bro" stance 😅
Thanks for the vid - I definitely learned something. I'll have to try that Phoenix+PreTaunt counter to Third Sister some time. When Capt. Rex had his level 9 datacron, I was using an all-Phoenix counter vs Third Sister which worked really well, but when the cron rotated out, the squad failed every time and I didn't know why. I didn't take the time to look into the details and thought it was only countering because of the datacron.
So the doubt datacron does also crap on it, but that's temporary
Great idea for a video! I hope to see more of this in the future!
3v3 perhaps
Thanks for the vid! I really appreciate the depth you went into and suggesting multiple counters from your experience. I do agree that most people use those counters because they have no other choice. if i ever have any trouble with any of these teams ill know what to farm!
Have a great day!!!
also i forgot to say it but i love that tusken counter to ns
Hey thanks for the feedback! Glad it was helpful, and yeah Tuskens are the bomb
Regarding the CLS-SK counter, I think you might be missing why it works half the time. In my experience, it all depends on the opening move or two. If you can kill Palps, SK is essentially blocked from getting his ult. The times that I failed were when I couldn’t kill Palps in the opening move or two.
It was very interesting to watch! Thank you for the great content!
P.S. idea with fifth being a pretaunt tank in Phoenix squad is interesting, going to try it!
Dew it!
Thanks Calvin! Great suggestions
You're welcome!
Nice video, how about same type of video for common counters in TW.
Ooo that's interesting. I would need to recruit some help
Excellent video. Love this, thank you Calvin. I typically use Bounty Hunters to deal with AdRad. What is a good replacement for AdRad counter if Bounty Hunters will go after Nightsisters instead? Would love more videos like this.
Bad batch is my go to, although I know many don't have them built
I'm like 90% sure that you can now beat SK team with GG if you have STAP with the omicron. I got to test it twice before the datacron came and it worked perfectly. Also, Stap can now be farmed in cantina. Hope that helps!
Aha I'm not too surprised! Thanks for the heads up
I would LOVE for this video to eventually turn into a GAC meta flowchart. I could have missed it, but I haven’t found anything like that on YT
Would you care to elaborate on what you would like that to look like?
great video idea, very useful
Love to hear it!
This is nice, could you also do something like this on 3vs3
Definitely!
Awesome vid. Thanks
You're welcome!
I used to use CLS to snipe someone and cleanup once the SK omi is broken but Wampa seems to be doing the trick for me lately. 🥳
Great vid.
Thank you!
Something really worth mentioning - I am currently 8/0 in wins for Wampa Vs. Palp/MJ/SK. It may seem counterintuitive, but with 2x health sets with Health arrow and 1x tenacity w/ Tenacity cross, it'll kill them everytime. The counter DOT's kill them off. Just never hit SK unless it'll kill him, roar otherwise. In 5v5, it falls apart if Old Ben is on the squad (oddly enough).
That's fun!
I like BB8 instead of Nute for my GG SK counter. BB8 will start nearly your whole squad ahead of SKs, you can get rolling way before they do, and if youre lucky kill mara before she even gets a turn. I don't really use BB8 anywhere else right now, and it saves me Nute to play with trench.
Bb8 is totally valid. Doesn't have the incremental TM gains but doesn't need it because of the starting amount
I like that Trooper team for SK!
With DTMG and Iden in the game I only have those four troopers left to make a Veers team, so often times I’m not using Veers at all.
This is a great option provided I don’t need Wat to go with SLKR or SEE.
Oh that's pretty convenient!
Please do more of these vids
Maybe a use this not that series?
Regarding sk my gg has failed me one too many times so I resorted to using reva for an easy win if I don’t desperately need her elsewhere. For reva herself malgus works for me. For mm wampa is still my main counter as I don’t have a good iden, otherwise normal ep (without sk) usually also does the job. For traya I actually find a mirror to be the best shot in most cases if I can’t use a gl as then you can isolate savage and target whoever you want with nihilus while their nihilus chooses at random.
Upgrading to Reva works
Never tell me the odds. They scare me
Too late
I think my Phoenix is 4/4 against Reva with a g11 Cptn Rex and a gear 9 shore trooper 😅 good video
Way to go shore!
I was thinking shore was the way. G9 is a flex for sure 😅
Isn't it funny 2 weeks ago you said you were quitting SWGOH but here you are still on it
It's almost like that video was posted on a suspicious date
I like that minor flex of having mats for R9 but not using it yet.
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CLS vs starkiller data is skewed because of doubt atm, and in general depends on datacrons. If i have a good cron ill gun down mara while palp is usually the safer option and better for clean up
It should not be, that's data taken from 8 different seasons.
I like using GG with BB8 against SK, but Nute is a cheaper option
Valid
I finally learned to stop trying to use SK against Rey
That one is so tough because DCs heavily influence it so much. If you play around with the data the counter falls a universal 20% just by turning on ANY DC for Rey.
For cls vs starkiller i find that as long as i can kill mara before she gets rolling, its a guaranteed w
Probably a pretty hard mod check on both sides then.
I win just about everytime too. Cls was the first squad I ever built, so they are modded very well but that’s my go to Starkiller counter
What’s your Han’s damage stat?
@@mminjarez 7,900. That doesn’t matter for the counter much really. Just need to have tenacity And speed
A use for CUP!!!! 🥵🥵
We got one!
Dude the chirps omicron is ridiculously fun to use. Don’t you bash my Ewoks🤣🤣
Lol I wasn't trying to hate on chirps (in this video)
2 issues with those Phoenix squads against the Inqs; #1, those are the wrong squad comps for the counter. #2, doubt cron kills the success of that squad to counter it.
Did you watch the whole video? Both those exact things were addressed
@@CalvinAwesome Yes, but never saw the best squad comp for that faction. :)
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@@CalvinAwesome Still nope. Very creative, but not what I use. However, using Phoenix while the doubt cron is active is pretty much a moot point unless you run into an Inq squad that doesn't have Reva.
You're really good at this, you should make your own videos
I have ZERO issues with my CLS squad against any of those SK squad comps. Zero.
Congrats!
Yeah I don't know - looking at your suggestions, they seem either extremely expensive or requires you to have like multiple of one unit because how utility they are.
I have no idea how you're getting that 50% on Wampa, against that team, the only way Wampa would lose is extremely high relics (relic 7) on Kyle (and this is me, with a relic 3 Wampa), otherwise no shot you lose it.
Wampa was assuming minimum R3 on both sides.
If you continue to raise the relic level equally it stays about the same. If you're looking at R7 wampa vs R3 MM team then it goes up to 68% though
I feel the suggestions are pretty on par with the original counter. We're not dipping into conquest units or anything crazy. maybe the occasional double team, but I'd rather burn 2 teams and kill the team then lose half the time.
@@CalvinAwesome Yeah, but the MM for example, I feel like those that fair that counter just have very bad mods on their Wampas (very low speed and health) thinking it'll do the trick. That 50-60% feels cheated.
I'm not sure what to tell you, it can "feel" cheated but it's 30k battles of data.
If you consistently have better mods than the majority of people your counters in general will work better.
@@CalvinAwesome Yeah, that's what I mean. The score feels cheated because clearly it's inaccurate based on the efficiency of the counter, which doesn't include the player's mods.
If we added an ideal say 80% or higher modscore for Wampa on those results, I bet you it'd have 96% winrate.
I’ve lost a battle with my r5 Wampa with pretty decent mods to a similar MM team that had HRS and Cara at only g12. It’s definitely very possible to lose, and Iden really is a good counter. 1 zeta + 1 omi and I was able to consistent take out pretty much any MM comp with g12 storm death snow magma and pre-kyro Iden. I do think crex might shut that down, I’ve had some crex battles that take a while with my r5 Iden now, but that’s a pretty expensive MM team to box out a team that you’ve invested 0 kyro into
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@@CalvinAwesome but the woman
the chirpa omicron looks bad in hindsignt, but a lot of people have it because it was one of the first omicrons that dropped, plus lots of people in the lower GAC tiers that don't have GLs and meta end-game teams still use ewoks on defense.
Yeah I honestly wasn't trying to knock it, just thought it's fun we can see it