Amen 🙏 All your favorite people will disappoint you at some point and It is a sign of maturity not to place your faith in fallible men Truly wise words from James White. It is sad and heartbreaking to have the men you look up to disappoint you. Yet good can come from evil in that we realize we too are fallible sinful men and women who will likely disappoint others, and thus we all need look to the only one who will never disappoint but always remains true and faithful, Jesus.
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A 5 year ongoing habitual sin of adultery, not a one time slip up…only reason this came out was he was caught by the girls father… not too mention he showed no grace to people caught in the exact same thing at a lesser level…
That's why I really don't pity him. Cheating on your wife for 5 years and you continue preaching about fornication, while you're struggling from the sin yourself. This is one of the most disgusting thing to do. Confess your sin and repent.
I learned from you Dr. White, and having a Catholic childhood, I know you cannot idolize, as my Roman Catholic faith taught us we should do. I have read your books and others in order to flesh out the truth but I don’t idolize you. I respect you however. As a new Christian I could not understand why people are outraged about Lawson. my understanding is that we all sin. I put my trust in Christ. “Grab the meat. Spit out the bones.” 👏👏
@@travishowett7651 I have no interest in portraying anyone into a stereotype. I do however have an issue with idolizing a teacher or pastor, minister, or priest above the teachings of Christ. We don’t need to be fans of these people and buy all their books and products. We should do our own hard work and deepen our understanding through prayer and reading. I buy a lot of my books at thrift stores. I watch a lot of pastors for free. James White helps me to learn how to challenge the status quo, and I enjoy learning about contrasts to find the truth. Shouldn’t church elders hold their staff to high esteem as part of a job description? It’s not my job to be sure any of these people behave for the good of their church. Jesus knows their heart. With time, they always expose themselves. In my opinion.
We should follow the example of the Bereans who checked even the statements of the Apostles, (who authored parts of Scripture). They SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURE to see if these things were so. How much more is this needed today?
THAT is the problem. You can have every Theological box checked and make mental assent, but unless you are born of the Spirit you are not born again and hell bound.
@@CoffeeCoffeeCoffee86 judge his sin as allowed and instructed as instructed in the Bible. The Bible also says only God can judge his heart. Yes he sinned and needs to repent to God but that doesn’t mean he is not saved.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
yes i am a christian, and at eighty years old i can honestly now say i am guilty of every thing.either by comission or omission . i either fouled up by my on determined nerve or walked on away when i could have helped,and yes i have also been one dull thud on a church pew
people going on the comment section like they never sinned , Lawson needs to come to repentance and accept the Lord’s discipline and we need to pray for him his family and the woman . Less you fall may this be a warning to us all how we interact with the opposite sex
He carried on an inappropriate relationship for 5 years. Not a one-night fling. Plus, the woman's father caught him and force him to confess. Get your head out of your ass.
@@theodosios2615yeah and David murdered the husband. No one is saying he hasn’t disqualified himself from the ministry. Just that no of us are truly his moral superior. “Take heed lest you too fall.” Also, that’s not language befitting a Christian.
@@GeorgeDeAndis I am agreeing with the original comment… My disagreement is the opposite of sanctimonious, I am saying that we all must take heed less we fall. If David fell we who are less Godly than he can fall as well
I met James at a conference in TX and he is telling the truth. He stood up front until EVERYONE could speak with him. I thought he was very gracious in that regard.
James can come off haughty if you don't know him that well, like if you watch one debate or video you may think he seems that way, but I've seen him show immense love and graciousness to Muslims and Mormons and homosexuals and others while trying to win their souls, he seems to really have a passion for souls coming to Christ and he's blessed me immensely and he is not afraid to make enemies of those he feels has dangerous views within the body of Christ. His view on this was honestly really gracious and it is how we all need to view it
What do you mean "stay the course"? Is he "on course" by his power or is he being preserved by the power of God (in case he's a Christian)? 💥1Pet1:4-5 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
White is a Calvinite who believes and preaches that the Calvinite god DETERMINES ALL EVIL!!! ALL SEXUAL SIN. ALL CHILD RAPE . He is a blasphemous wolf. Calvinism is ANOTHER GOSPEL. Galatians 1:8
@@NKBC1689 White is kind of a smug dude who talks a lot about how great he is. He should take heed lest he fall also; probably not from the same sins but instead his own pride.
These so called leaders are to be an example of Christian virtue. Paul said imitate me as imitate Christ. Anybody in the pulpit should make that claim. No excuses
Luke 12:48 (KJV) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
People already knew it was a 20 something year old woman yesterday. And some before that. This dude is part of the inner circle, i wouldnt doubt he knew more then he shared in this video.
@@AdvEug James said he was always out and about with people, Steve not so , also Steve was a first class when flying, James not, also had insain dietary restrictions...Thouse are 3 things James made him wonder about Steve
Such a sad day. But also a wonderful knowledge that our God is merciful and gracious. Steve is forgiven. His eternal state is secure. And in that we should rejoice.
We love Steve Lawson. It’s an expected emotion to be disappointed in his behavior. He was exposed of his ongoing sinful affair. He didn’t humbly come forth with a repentant remorseful heart. My heart breaks for his dear wife and family. May God strengthen them in their walk with Him. Mercy for us all I pray. None of us are exempt from falling away. Jesus Christ is returning and He is cleaning house. On November 6th the followers of Jesus will be tested… Remain at the altar. No time for games.
Within the Reformed Calvinistic world you get one of two kinds of pride: Open pride = James White or pride disguised as (false) humility = Justin Peters.
I heard you say something I disagree with. It’s not a biblical issue. I just chose to close out the video. That’s another blessing of being older. Hearing something that’s either ‘non-essential’ or hearing something that’s a personal disagreement. In the end, leading ppl to Christ & making disciples + glorifying God & enjoying Him forever. Those are issues that matter in my 3 foot circle. Lord Bless
I don’t want to think this but it’s seems the elders of the church are being vague because there maybe more women involved and major legal action could be taken. Also maybe Lawson is threatening to expose the dirt he has on other reformed pastors or Christians that he knows unless they “play ball” with him.
The point is GOD requires holiness , righteousness to all believers and GOD require you all more who preaches the word of GOD . When the person is not serious about GOD 's ministry , then they will fall .
Paul teaches the same in Galatians 1:8: faith in the Gospel must not depend on any man, or any creature at all, not even an angel. Any creature could fail and fall and preach another false "gospel." The Gospel was given, and is believed, from the Scriptures and by the work of the Holy Spirit. As for Steve Lawson, I haven't listened to his preaching or read anything he's written, so I'm not as hurt as others I've seen. But it is a shock, and a sobering reminder that if it were not for the grace of God in Jesus Christ, that could be any of us.
I'm curious on what he means by "When I went to Fuller I learned a lot of good sound solid things from people that we'd never allow to preach in our church" If it's biblical teaching why can't they preach in his church?
Despite our best efforts, we all regretfully stumble into sin at times.The difference between someone who's "one of us" or not, would be if they are remorseful and repentant over what they've done or not. I cannot speak for Steve but I know he believes in the benevolence of God and I hope he ran back to Him seeking forgiveness once his omissions were brought to light.
You can not ground your faith in men, accept for Calvin, Luther, Zwingly, Whitley, Edwards, AUGUSTINE and MANI! We are standing on the shoulders of these Giants of the faith.
The problem is that people but a high expectation in one man , when in reality this expectation are also expected from any other true believer . It’s don’t better where you stand in the ministry..
Still sick to my stomach over this. Isaiah 2:22. Psalm 146:3 He was long of of my favorite contemporary pastors/theologians, and it was certainly cool to see and hear both him (and James White!) at G3. Having said that, eternal salvation doesn’t negate earthly consequences; his privilege to lead a local church is now gone forever. As a side note, I will say it’s interesting what James said here, toward the end, regarding conferences, etc. When we were at G3, Lawson was the only speaker with a small entourage/escort and who would not stay around to talk to guests, have pictures taken, sign anything, etc. Certainly not a “red flag”, but noteworthy.
No, I certainly wouldn’t say a “hero” (I went back to make sure I didn’t use that word, prior to my reply). I said he was one of my favorite contemporary theologians. He was a sinner saved by God’s grace, at least he claimed to be. Now he has to face the earthly consequences due to his wicked sin. Christ is my sole hero, as He alone saved a wretch like me.
This isn't just a disappointment. That being said... I can't stop believing... Bc i have a personal relationship with Christ... My life is literally hidden IN him, and all that has happened doesn't prove the Bible false but ACTUALLY drives the truth of it even farther home. We shouldn't have to tell people not to idolize men... The Spirit of God teaches us this in our very hearts and it's confirmed through the word.
It’s helped me these past few years to move away from theologians who put more faith in doctrine. Instead I’ve been trying to soak in the writings of those who emphasize love and obedience over man made doctrines. George Macdonald, Julian of Norwich, and Isaac of Nineveh are all incredible theologians who emphasize obedience to God over getting doctrines right.
It’s not that shocking when people stumble (sin), what was shocking is when lawson preached that a person caught in sexual sin; was probably not saved.
Nice job of subtly denigrating Lawson and covering his own behind before spending an hour criticizing Christian knights while being dressed like a member of the Vatican Swiss Guards.
"You cannot ground your faith in men" But if that's what you're predestinated to do, you don't have a choice. Apparently if you grounded your faith in men, God didn't predestinate you to do otherwise.
You can’t look at others and you can’t look within yourself for “evidence”of salvation or encouragement. If Lawson was born again he’s still born again, no matter if he repents or not. Should he repent? Of course! But God doesn’t rip the Holy Spirit out of a believer who sins, no matter the sin Eph 1:13-14. What God’s word says is our encouragement.“ you will know them by their fruits” is talking about false teachers, Mat. 7:15.
@@hwjchimyaj121ever pastor admits to sin, so are they all false teachers? He is disqualified and needs to repent but you can’t say what he taught was false even if you think he doesn’t believe it
But didnt believe it or live it. He has no moral standing now, as was the case of David in the Bible. David couldnt even stand up for his daughter who was raped by her brother. David,s household was cursed because of his failing
I am very disappointed by this issue but also by the silence of so many. This is worse than the Alister Begg situation and everyone but James White is avoiding this.
The silence may be that there is no debate. Nobody is defending Lawson. With Begg there was at least some debate as to the right and wrong. Church members wanted guidance on the matter. Nobody needs guidance here, we all know it was wrong.
@@ProphetGreg94 because you are heretical and unsaved. So Christ line of you to come here to pile on. Was that really going to change anyones opinion of you.
WHAT? This isn’t even remotely as bad as Begg. Lawson committed a sexual sin. Forgivable. All pastors lust, lie, covet, hate. They’re sinners. Begg taught a false gospel by approving habitual sin in homosexuality and gay marriages. That’s contrary to scripture leading the sheep astray. How can you be ignorant of the scriptures? Lawson should never preach again, but it’s nothing to what Begg is DOING present tense. He never repented of his continual sin in false teaching.
In an inappropriate relationship for 5 years….. Trinity Church existed for 6 years …. DELUSION!! Possessing Christians let’s all pray for one another that our Sovereign GOD sustain us. To OBEY Him for His glory alone!
James White is as disqualified as Lawson, only for arrogance and pride. And, it would be interesting to see in detail James Whites finances as a matter of voluntary accountability. But, don't hold your breath.
As someone who has spent several hours 1-on-1 with James White, sadly I can confirm that he is extremely arrogant and proud and self-absorbed. I was shocked and put off of his ministry because of it.
Way too many words Jim! Preach the Bible. How should we view those who fail thier duty as Christians. People become powerful, influential and complacent….period. We remove them move them from their position and pray over them and forgive them. …and more…
@@rhondae8222 Paul knew we are saved by faith after hearing the good news of free gift of salvation - some Christians were involved in adultery incest he calls them brothers and said they are still worldly. He told them to live a higher life despite all the sins mentioned thru ch 6 saying that those who would normally partake would not inherit eternal life but they are different they are washed sanctified and justified. So stop and grow
I never GROUNDED my faith in Lawson. He was one of my top 3 preachers to LEARN from! I wish these videos would stop saying that. The ONLY man I am GROUNDED in is Jesus Christ. I'm soooo sick of hearing about Lawson. More concerned about Mac Arthur.
"recent issue"? Are you kidding?!!! The guy was in a 5 year adulterous relationship! This is NOT an 'issue' An issue is when your tire is too low to drive and you have to stop at the gas station on the way to work and you're a few minutes late. THAT'S AN ISSUE. This is sin! This is one thing that the reformed evangelical world just sucks at. Sucks at being consistent. And I very much count myself in this world
@@stephentan6168 my point is not about the word recent, but ISSUE. YOU BETTER BELIEVE if this was William Lane Craig, Leighton flowers or many other guys who are former Calvinists or never Calvinists guys like White would not only lambast their theology AND BLAME it for their falling into sin, but also use the word SIN. NOT ISSUE
First Ravi Zacharias now Steve Lawson. I don’t understand how these men could go on for years living in sin. I say this because after being Born Again, I would rather ask God to take my life if he knew I would succumb to sin. While I know Jesus paid for my sins, I would not like to look back and see what I did. I’m not judging these men for there is only one judge. And we will all stand before him. It is my hope that Ravi repented before he passed and that Steve will do the same.
As someone who has done some pretty bad sins while calling myself Christian I would say you just compartmentalize it. Keep no secrets and confess your sins to ONE ANOTHER to be healed as James says. Just confessing it to God and keeping secrets didn't work for me.
Are you saying you never even have a thought of sin (Mat5:28) which is as bad as the sin in God's eyes & that you run to God in repentance as soon as a sinful thought creeps into your mind, making you up-to-date in your repentance⁉️🤷🏻♂️
So many Arminian “Christian’s” commit sin and fall as preachers and no one cares, but a reformed man does it and it’s a “Calvinist” issue? How ignorant and silly people are. Gods elect are made up of fallen beings. Gods ordained plan for everyone doesn’t make him responsible or the author of sin. Has no one read the Bible? These teachings are so clear. Both predestination AND Gods will. It’s sad people are choosing to stay ignorant because of their own desires and take of scriptures.
@jorgemoreno5007 There's no more rude, mocking and ungodly people than Arminians. Roman Catholic church, Seven Day Adventism, Jehovah Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals!!! - and many more, what do they have in common to their very last member? They're Arminians.
didn't God ordain steve lawson's affair? could have ordained him not too sin too....weird We going to ignore clear passages where God clear states abstaing from sin is the will of God....????
I’d agree with that. Lots of people unfortunately would rather post comments (through the safety of an anonymous RUclips thread post) to pick an online, unproductive fight, than have an edifying conversation. James 4:1.
@DANIELRODRIGUEZ-yr3et Did he meet her 5 years ago for the first time? Is "5 years" the length of the emotional affair? Were there texts? If so, what were the nature of them? How often, if ever, did they see each other? He's in his 70s. Is he even capable of having sex? How did the father come to know? Did his daughter go to him? Did he catch them together? Did he see the texts? Did Steve Lawson confess the relationship was romantic or inappropriate, or is he defending himself. I want answers before going scorched earth.
@@DANIELRODRIGUEZ-yr3et. I heard no sex was involved, I can’t say if I believe that. I’ll wait and see what else is revealed. Meanwhile there are many Pastors online and I can study on my own if need be.
@LifeandLifeMoreAbundantly I think it is. If he is to be held to a higher standard because of his popularity, then I also believe we owe it to him to hold his accusers to an equally high standard. If he's guilty then so be it. But right now. It's gone from sounding REALLLY REALLY BAD, to just bad.
Talk about having to eat the meat & spit out the bones…your gracious comments vs. your snide remarks are beneath the man of God but quite frankly, typical for you. Your comments about the green room, plane & diet were unnecessary & unhelpful.
What's the problem with Steve Lawson? Look regarding his wife, the bloom is off the rose and the old man needed a new bouquet. In all seriousness, can we now properly designate Steve Lawson as a covenant breaker? Romans 1:31. Divorce is not necessary to apply the moniker. Why don't we teach what Malachi preached: Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. Malachi 2:14
Counter to what JW said here, I’ve heard from other pastors here on YT who’ve attended conferences with Lawson, that he did not just hang out in the “green room,” rather that he did stay and interact with attendees. I guess they attended different conferences with Lawson. Personally I don’t think heaping coals on Lawson’s head is particularly helpful at this moment.
I can only personally attest from my own experience that my family and I attended the G3 national conference last September, Lawson was one of several high profile speakers, and he was literally the only one who had an “entourage”, so to speak, and would not engage or speak with any attendees. Virgil Walker, James Coates, Justin Peters, Darrell Harrison, Paul Washer, Emilio Ramos, & Phil Johnson on the other hand, were all very friendly and engaging.
Correct. It was God’s will for Lawson to be a church pastor for a season. That season has come to an end, and now the consequences he will face. Your statement is factually correct. God should always be praised.
@@kristovposlanik8235 Oh I would certainly never praise Satan either; that’s a damnable sin that sends people to Hell. Certainly I can understand what many, and I mean MANY, people hate Calvinism (though as a 1689 Baptist, I would call it Reformed theology, or the doctrines of grace); It wounds prideful hearts. i.e. “What?? I didn’t save myself”?
@@kristovposlanik8235 No sir. The only thing you brought to your salvation was the sin which made it necessary. Man’s role in his salvation is as recipient.
I'm not disappointed in Lawson, I'm praying for him to repent and turn to the Lord. I feel bad that sin got ahold of him. He is human just like we are, he had wonderful sermons and I think those were from the Holy Spirit. He is still a Christian, he just messed up. God bless you all
Or in @phillip6078. But for those who point us to Christ, we absolutely do listen to as they point to the One in whom our eternal HOPE rests. I don't put my hope in man, but in Christ.
@patrickc3419 I know. I looked at how people have responded to Dr. Lawson and it's mostly "I am disappointed, I am shocked". People reacted as such because they put high hope on a man. Dr. James White has many followers. He's stilled a man.
@@phillip6078 And I agree with you on that 💯. When I say I’m disappointed or shocked, I am just conveying that it’s saddening to witness a theologian who I looked up to to inspiration, biblical insight, etc. to crash so badly and unexpectedly. I remember seeing and hearing him last year at G3. But yes, we absolutely should not put faith in mere men, and maybe I have been guilty of that as well.
I still remember my old Calvinist so call "Elect" College always Talk about Ravi Zacheria, he was not true Christian he is not part of Elect and so he will be in hell. Now im in delima Alister Begg and Steve Lawson are Elect group of Calvinist. I wonder how this people is commenting and supporting him😊
Correct them. Election of a person does not depend on his merits. "Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand" Romans 9:11
Calvinists one question:: is he still save?? Or he was never a new born believer?? Can he still enter to the kindom been a adulters,,,so i think this hits not the hearts of people hurts the doctrine,, one day hes a sample to follow,now he is the worst for liying for 5 yrs,,,if it would be me ,paul washer would say i was never a new born again,,,can you guys say the same about Steve?????
@@wanda520 Steve L ones mock Joel Osten when ask by Larry king about that same issue when he asnwer " I dont Know" about eternal Judgment you brought up
Nobody comes with a guarantee except God, Himself. I'd never heard of this man until last week. I believe he's a great bible teacher so I'm going to watch his teaching videos if they are still up. 'Adultery' (though at what level re him and the other woman) hurts their families, and the church though I think more damage is done to the body of Christ by gossips, liars and judgemental Christians. He's grieved the Lord, first. No small matter. I just hope there's no video footage of him being with a call girl or something like that.
4:22 "All of your favorite people are going to disappoint you at some time or another."
Prayers for Dr. Lawson, his family, his church and all those affected by this. Also praying for Dr. MacArthur. 🙏🙏🙏
You'd better pray that they become saved because they're heretics preaching against the Bible.
You'd better pray that they become saved, as the bigger issue is that they preach heresy.
Yes, let's hope they get away from Lawson's false gospel to the true Gospel. Let's hope they put their faith and trust in Christ, and not their walk.
Especially for the young woman he's damaged and the baggage he's brought her and her family.
@@d_Gnome She damaged him, more accurately.
Amen 🙏
All your favorite people will disappoint you at some point
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It is a sign of maturity not to place your faith in fallible men
Truly wise words from James White.
It is sad and heartbreaking to have the men you look up to disappoint you. Yet good can come from evil in that we realize we too are fallible sinful men and women who will likely disappoint others, and thus we all need look to the only one who will never disappoint but always remains true and faithful, Jesus.
That shirt is getting my sugar up just looking at it.
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I'm highly inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the bi-weekly stuff you mentioned.
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A 5 year ongoing habitual sin of adultery, not a one time slip up…only reason this came out was he was caught by the girls father… not too mention he showed no grace to people caught in the exact same thing at a lesser level…
That's why I really don't pity him. Cheating on your wife for 5 years and you continue preaching about fornication, while you're struggling from the sin yourself. This is one of the most disgusting thing to do. Confess your sin and repent.
He’s an arrogant scumbag.
Is anyone else craving a Jello pudding pop? This topic and that sweater are a deadly combo.
I learned from you Dr. White, and having a Catholic childhood, I know you cannot idolize, as my Roman Catholic faith taught us we should do. I have read your books and others in order to flesh out the truth but I don’t idolize you. I respect you however. As a new Christian I could not understand why people are outraged about Lawson. my understanding is that we all sin. I put my trust in Christ. “Grab the meat. Spit out the bones.” 👏👏
Very well said.
The Catholic Church does not teach people to idolize. You are either lying or an idiot if you think so
It's mainly because calvanist are the best at pointing at everyone else flaws while tooting they are perfect (includ8ng their doctrines).
@@travishowett7651 I have no interest in portraying anyone into a stereotype. I do however have an issue with idolizing a teacher or pastor, minister, or priest above the teachings of Christ. We don’t need to be fans of these people and buy all their books and products. We should do our own hard work and deepen our understanding through prayer and reading. I buy a lot of my books at thrift stores. I watch a lot of pastors for free. James White helps me to learn how to challenge the status quo, and I enjoy learning about contrasts to find the truth. Shouldn’t church elders hold their staff to high esteem as part of a job description? It’s not my job to be sure any of these people behave for the good of their church. Jesus knows their heart. With time, they always expose themselves. In my opinion.
@@travishowett7651 untrue will call out false teachers that lead their people down a wide path
Spiritual pride.
There's plenty of that within the demonic ministry that is Ligonier.
The best of men will be men at best simply.
This is a great take on the situation.
But lawson is far away from "the best men". He is right at the level of con artist if you ask me.
We should follow the example of the Bereans who checked even the statements of the Apostles, (who authored parts of Scripture). They SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURE to see if these things were so. How much more is this needed today?
Thank you for your comment. May the Lord’s blessings upon you!
“Give us some men who know the truth!” - Steven Lawson
How about, “Give us some men who live the truth”
THAT is the problem. You can have every Theological box checked and make mental assent, but unless you are born of the Spirit you are not born again and hell bound.
@@CoffeeCoffeeCoffee86 judge his sin as allowed and instructed as instructed in the Bible. The Bible also says only God can judge his heart. Yes he sinned and needs to repent to God but that doesn’t mean he is not saved.
@@neverpc4404
5 yrs of blatant unrepentant sin as a Pastor.
No one who is born again would want to live like that.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
Anyone calling themselves "Pastor" is exposing their own phoniness and hunger for authority, not a true calling to serve. Jesus Himself warned against chasing after titles like "Rabbi" or "Father," yet some ignore His clear instruction to reject such labels in favor of humble servanthood (Matthew 23:8-10). These so-called "pastors" use a title to elevate themselves above others, seeking recognition and control instead of leading by example in Christ-like humility. If their leadership depended on the fruits of the Spirit and genuine service to the body of Christ, they wouldn't need a title to prove it. They're parading a false sense of authority, and it's an insult to the true worship of God in spirit and truth.
yes i am a christian, and at eighty years old i can honestly now say i am guilty of every thing.either by comission or omission . i either fouled up by my on determined nerve or walked on away when i could have helped,and yes i have also been one dull thud on a church pew
people going on the comment section like they never sinned , Lawson needs to come to repentance and accept the Lord’s discipline and we need to pray for him his family and the woman . Less you fall may this be a warning to us all how we interact with the opposite sex
He carried on an inappropriate relationship for 5 years. Not a one-night fling. Plus, the woman's father caught him and force him to confess. Get your head out of your ass.
You watch you won't get him to admit anything publically he most probably will deny it.
@@theodosios2615yeah and David murdered the husband. No one is saying he hasn’t disqualified himself from the ministry. Just that no of us are truly his moral superior. “Take heed lest you too fall.” Also, that’s not language befitting a Christian.
@@josiahdunham8513 And if you'd stop being a sanctimonious jerk for 5 seconds, you'd realize he's right.
@@GeorgeDeAndis I am agreeing with the original comment…
My disagreement is the opposite of sanctimonious, I am saying that we all must take heed less we fall. If David fell we who are less Godly than he can fall as well
Please pray for me I don't feel any disappointment with Steve Lawson news of flirting with twenty year old for five years.
@@joshj3662 angry little fella aren’t ya
Now Steve need it your inside for his sermons, wow you are so humble.
Where is your mercy, to pick up a brother.
I met James at a conference in TX and he is telling the truth. He stood up front until EVERYONE could speak with him. I thought he was very gracious in that regard.
James can come off haughty if you don't know him that well, like if you watch one debate or video you may think he seems that way, but I've seen him show immense love and graciousness to Muslims and Mormons and homosexuals and others while trying to win their souls, he seems to really have a passion for souls coming to Christ and he's blessed me immensely and he is not afraid to make enemies of those he feels has dangerous views within the body of Christ. His view on this was honestly really gracious and it is how we all need to view it
That's fine, but he was incredibly rude to Leighton Flowers in a debate, and White is a major heretic, as are other Calvinists.
Well, White's a Calvinist, and Calvinists hold a heretical idea of the Lord, the Bible, and salvation.
@@RonaldMillsaps why are you looking for an argument, go outside
@@z_nytrom99 don't you talk to me that way you cult member
Thanks for posting this video from this precious brother in the Lord.
Dr. White, i am very grateful for your faithfulness to Christ and your wife. I am praying for you. Stay the course, brother.
What do you mean "stay the course"? Is he "on course" by his power or is he being preserved by the power of God (in case he's a Christian)?
💥1Pet1:4-5
to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
@@T.Ravikumar He never said what you accused him of. Your comment is unfair.
White is a Calvinite who believes and preaches that the Calvinite god DETERMINES ALL EVIL!!! ALL SEXUAL SIN. ALL CHILD RAPE . He is a blasphemous wolf. Calvinism is ANOTHER GOSPEL. Galatians 1:8
I have seen many of the young in Christ fall away from the church because of their fall.
That sweater looks like it belongs to Chip Diamond, PSH!
Just look at it.
If I could have just an emotional response to this situation it's this; "this sucks". Prayers to Dr. Lawson and his family and that church.
Yep
Has anyone ever seen Ed Bassmaster's character 'Chip Diamond'? He wears that exact same sweater!! 💯
That was my first thought.
Thank you.
Some say therefore "Lawson was never really saved?"
Fresh prince of reformed apologetics.
That sweater should be grounds for disqualification.
Bhahahahaha that's actually hilarious 😂
@@NKBC1689 White is kind of a smug dude who talks a lot about how great he is. He should take heed lest he fall also; probably not from the same sins but instead his own pride.
😂😂
@@johnfreeman9766Your comment says more about you than anyone else😂
He probably found it in a field stained with animal blood.
Let the platitudes flow!
These so called leaders are to be an example of Christian virtue. Paul said imitate me as imitate Christ. Anybody in the pulpit should make that claim. No excuses
Luke 12:48 (KJV) But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Good Lord all of you sure love the sounds of your own voice!!!!!
And here you are
Ain’t that the truth, sheesh what a load of waffle.
@@judithdabrow9843 never finished listening to him - made my comment and left!
@@judithdabrow9843. lol
@@NoiJaidee-z1t same
James White did this video before the new more detailed information about Steve Lawson came out.
People already knew it was a 20 something year old woman yesterday. And some before that. This dude is part of the inner circle, i wouldnt doubt he knew more then he shared in this video.
@@AdvEug James said he was always out and about with people, Steve not so , also Steve was a first class when flying, James not, also had insain dietary restrictions...Thouse are 3 things James made him wonder about Steve
Such a sad day. But also a wonderful knowledge that our God is merciful and gracious. Steve is forgiven. His eternal state is secure. And in that we should rejoice.
How do you know?
@@formerfundienowfree4235 because the Bible tells us so.
We love Steve Lawson. It’s an expected emotion to be disappointed in his behavior. He was exposed of his ongoing sinful affair. He didn’t humbly come forth with a repentant remorseful heart. My heart breaks for his dear wife and family. May God strengthen them in their walk with Him. Mercy for us all I pray. None of us are exempt from falling away. Jesus Christ is returning and He is cleaning house. On November 6th the followers of Jesus will be tested… Remain at the altar. No time for games.
Within the Reformed Calvinistic world you get one of two kinds of pride:
Open pride = James White
or pride disguised as (false) humility = Justin Peters.
I heard you say something I disagree with. It’s not a biblical issue. I just chose to close out the video.
That’s another blessing of being older. Hearing something that’s either ‘non-essential’ or hearing something that’s a personal disagreement.
In the end, leading ppl to Christ & making disciples + glorifying God & enjoying Him forever. Those are issues that matter in my 3 foot circle.
Lord Bless
I don’t want to think this but it’s seems the elders of the church are being vague because there maybe more women involved and major legal action could be taken. Also maybe Lawson is threatening to expose the dirt he has on other reformed pastors or Christians that he knows unless they “play ball” with him.
Thank you
James White disappointed me a long time ago
quite unnecessary for JW to divulge detail of his encounters with SL, just comes off as lowkey nasty...
The point is GOD requires holiness , righteousness to all believers and GOD require you all more who preaches the word of GOD . When the person is not serious about GOD 's ministry , then they will fall .
He never preached or taught false doctrine he’s no more a sinner than anyone else forgive him as Christ has forgiven each of us
riiiiigt
Yes he’s is more of a sinner. He’s made his millions in the name of God. He will be judged harsher.
@@arceneaux66
Come on bro ….. that’s not even Christ like
@@stardas71 do you read the Bible? It’s very Christian.
😂😂
my man got the biggie smalls coogie sweater!
🔥🔥 ik i want that it's so tuff
Everybody had an opinion on Steve Lawson. Maybe we need to hear from him
Paul teaches the same in Galatians 1:8: faith in the Gospel must not depend on any man, or any creature at all, not even an angel.
Any creature could fail and fall and preach another false "gospel."
The Gospel was given, and is believed, from the Scriptures and by the work of the Holy Spirit.
As for Steve Lawson, I haven't listened to his preaching or read anything he's written, so I'm not as hurt as others I've seen. But it is a shock, and a sobering reminder that if it were not for the grace of God in Jesus Christ, that could be any of us.
Too many egos in the American Church.
I'm curious on what he means by "When I went to Fuller I learned a lot of good sound solid things from people that we'd never allow to preach in our church"
If it's biblical teaching why can't they preach in his church?
Does this mean Steve was never saved in the first place? This is the theology that I thought was taught. 😢
Despite our best efforts, we all regretfully stumble into sin at times.The difference between someone who's "one of us" or not, would be if they are remorseful and repentant over what they've done or not. I cannot speak for Steve but I know he believes in the benevolence of God and I hope he ran back to Him seeking forgiveness once his omissions were brought to light.
If you are going to pray, pray for the young lady he has damaged and gave baggage for her and her future husband and family for years to come.
The pulpit is the image of jealousy.
You can not ground your faith in men, accept for Calvin, Luther, Zwingly, Whitley, Edwards, AUGUSTINE and MANI!
We are standing on the shoulders of these Giants of the faith.
Joel osteen doesn’t even do this. Ew
The problem is that people but a high expectation in one man , when in reality this expectation are also expected from any other true believer . It’s don’t better where you stand in the ministry..
No, the expectation for church leaders is first and foremost God’s and is plainly provided in His Word.
Still sick to my stomach over this. Isaiah 2:22. Psalm 146:3
He was long of of my favorite contemporary pastors/theologians, and it was certainly cool to see and hear both him (and James White!) at G3.
Having said that, eternal salvation doesn’t negate earthly consequences; his privilege to lead a local church is now gone forever.
As a side note, I will say it’s interesting what James said here, toward the end, regarding conferences, etc. When we were at G3, Lawson was the only speaker with a small entourage/escort and who would not stay around to talk to guests, have pictures taken, sign anything, etc. Certainly not a “red flag”, but noteworthy.
That arrogant Calvinite wolf was your hero? Wow
No, I certainly wouldn’t say a “hero” (I went back to make sure I didn’t use that word, prior to my reply). I said he was one of my favorite contemporary theologians. He was a sinner saved by God’s grace, at least he claimed to be. Now he has to face the earthly consequences due to his wicked sin.
Christ is my sole hero, as He alone saved a wretch like me.
"Ex opere operato".....so comforting indeed! Praying for all our leaders, but it's not at all about them!
This isn't just a disappointment. That being said... I can't stop believing... Bc i have a personal relationship with Christ... My life is literally hidden IN him, and all that has happened doesn't prove the Bible false but ACTUALLY drives the truth of it even farther home. We shouldn't have to tell people not to idolize men... The Spirit of God teaches us this in our very hearts and it's confirmed through the word.
It’s helped me these past few years to move away from theologians who put more faith in doctrine. Instead I’ve been trying to soak in the writings of those who emphasize love and obedience over man made doctrines. George Macdonald, Julian of Norwich, and Isaac of Nineveh are all incredible theologians who emphasize obedience to God over getting doctrines right.
That sweater is ugly bro 😂
Dr. White likes those kinds of sweaters. He didn’t say you had to.
@@Anonymouslives relax Francis it’s just a joke, lighten up.
Could also be interpreted as LGBT supportive.
It marches his doctrines 😅😅😅😅
He’s an Alphabet person !
It’s not that shocking when people stumble (sin), what was shocking is when lawson preached that a person caught in sexual sin; was probably not saved.
Breaks my heart for him his family and his church. Pray him and wall of them.God will restore him to the joy of his salvation.
AMEN!!!!
The irony of being a hardcore Calvinist and dealing with worry is ironic.
@@icouldbewrongbutithink5279 explain
Calvinists never claim to not be human.
@@icouldbewrongbutithink5279 that’s not true. We are sinners even as being saved.
@@stardas71 if you believe in predestination and determinism then there is nothing to worry about.
@@icouldbewrongbutithink5279
Predestination is is in the Bible so yes I do.
Nice job of subtly denigrating Lawson and covering his own behind before spending an hour criticizing Christian knights while being dressed like a member of the Vatican Swiss Guards.
"You cannot ground your faith in men"
But if that's what you're predestinated to do, you don't have a choice. Apparently if you grounded your faith in men, God didn't predestinate you to do otherwise.
I liked james white when he was drawing the dividing line in the sand
You can’t look at others and you can’t look within yourself for “evidence”of salvation or encouragement. If Lawson was born again he’s still born again, no matter if he repents or not. Should he repent? Of course! But God doesn’t rip the Holy Spirit out of a believer who sins, no matter the sin Eph 1:13-14. What God’s word says is our encouragement.“ you will know them by their fruits” is talking about false teachers, Mat. 7:15.
Steve Lawson did not teach falsehood.
So
Defense mechanism kicking in.
Still a false teacher
@@hwjchimyaj121ever pastor admits to sin, so are they all false teachers? He is disqualified and needs to repent but you can’t say what he taught was false even if you think he doesn’t believe it
But didnt believe it or live it. He has no moral standing now, as was the case of David in the Bible. David couldnt even stand up for his daughter who was raped by her brother. David,s household was cursed because of his failing
This guy seems too full of himself.
I am very disappointed by this issue but also by the silence of so many. This is worse than the Alister Begg situation and everyone but James White is avoiding this.
💯.
Equally as disappointing, but far worse that Begg.
Yup. Calvinists seem to only be silent on their own. But they are the quickest to blast and fire shots at us charismatics.
The silence may be that there is no debate. Nobody is defending Lawson. With Begg there was at least some debate as to the right and wrong. Church members wanted guidance on the matter. Nobody needs guidance here, we all know it was wrong.
@@ProphetGreg94 because you are heretical and unsaved. So Christ line of you to come here to pile on. Was that really going to change anyones opinion of you.
WHAT? This isn’t even remotely as bad as Begg. Lawson committed a sexual sin. Forgivable. All pastors lust, lie, covet, hate. They’re sinners. Begg taught a false gospel by approving habitual sin in homosexuality and gay marriages. That’s contrary to scripture leading the sheep astray. How can you be ignorant of the scriptures? Lawson should never preach again, but it’s nothing to what Begg is DOING present tense. He never repented of his continual sin in false teaching.
and one more thing, greek linguistics does not care one damn thing about who is bleeding in the streets
In an inappropriate relationship for 5 years…..
Trinity Church existed for 6 years …. DELUSION!!
Possessing Christians let’s all pray for one another that our Sovereign GOD sustain us.
To OBEY Him for His glory alone!
James White is as disqualified as Lawson, only for arrogance and pride. And, it would be interesting to see in detail James Whites finances as a matter of voluntary accountability. But, don't hold your breath.
Steve lawson and John macarthur are probably making a lot more money.
Clearly your envious and jealous of this man’s ministry. Get over it and repent
@@Richard-yv4eiI love the sweater ❤
As someone who has spent several hours 1-on-1 with James White, sadly I can confirm that he is extremely arrogant and proud and self-absorbed. I was shocked and put off of his ministry because of it.
There's a lot of arrogance and pride in your comment
❤KJV
Ugly Christmas 🎅 sweaters are coming out so soon?
You cannot ground your faith in men! …(unless we’re talking about John Calvin 😌)
John Calvin said his institutes were equal to scriptures. I have the receipts. Give me a minute and I'll find it.
Why the bumbling, isn't it God's will anymore? Or did you leave Calvinism?
@@M8200L-e3j we don’t believe and have faith in men we believe in scripture alone
Hahaha
Way too many words Jim! Preach the Bible. How should we view those who fail thier duty as Christians. People become powerful, influential and complacent….period.
We remove them move them from their position and pray over them and forgive them.
…and more…
The Reformed camp has no room for carnal Christians - even though Paul called described them as Christians.
@@rhondae8222 Paul knew we are saved by faith after hearing the good news of free gift of salvation - some Christians were involved in adultery incest he calls them brothers and said they are still worldly. He told them to live a higher life despite all the sins mentioned thru ch 6 saying that those who would normally partake would not inherit eternal life but they are different they are washed sanctified and justified. So stop and grow
I never GROUNDED my faith in Lawson. He was one of my top 3 preachers to LEARN from! I wish these videos would stop saying that. The ONLY man I am GROUNDED in is Jesus Christ. I'm soooo sick of hearing about Lawson. More concerned about Mac Arthur.
Defense mechanism kicking in?
Then I would encourage you to unlearn, because Lawson is not only a serial adulterer, he is also a false teacher who preached a false Gospel.
"recent issue"?
Are you kidding?!!!
The guy was in a 5 year adulterous relationship! This is NOT an 'issue'
An issue is when your tire is too low to drive and you have to stop at the gas station on the way to work and you're a few minutes late. THAT'S AN ISSUE. This is sin!
This is one thing that the reformed evangelical world just sucks at. Sucks at being consistent. And I very much count myself in this world
He said this before all the details were known, to be fair.
But claimed no sex activity involved in the relationship.
I always thought reformed evangelicalism was an oxymoron -
@@stephentan6168 my point is not about the word recent, but ISSUE.
YOU BETTER BELIEVE if this was William Lane Craig, Leighton flowers or many other guys who are former Calvinists or never Calvinists guys like White would not only lambast their theology AND BLAME it for their falling into sin, but also use the word SIN. NOT ISSUE
@@RTHenry83 I don't BELIEVE that at all actually. All caps doesn't make a point better or clearer.
Repentance for the unbeliever is to go from unbelief to belief 😊
First Ravi Zacharias now Steve Lawson. I don’t understand how these men could go on for years living in sin. I say this because after being Born Again, I would rather ask God to take my life if he knew I would succumb to sin. While I know Jesus paid for my sins, I would not like to look back and see what I did. I’m not judging these men for there is only one judge. And we will all stand before him. It is my hope that Ravi repented before he passed and that Steve will do the same.
You forgot Tony Evans
Lack of accountability, careless faith, self-righteousness, lust, much more
The same could be said of King David.
As someone who has done some pretty bad sins while calling myself Christian I would say you just compartmentalize it. Keep no secrets and confess your sins to ONE ANOTHER to be healed as James says. Just confessing it to God and keeping secrets didn't work for me.
Are you saying you never even have a thought of sin (Mat5:28) which is as bad as the sin in God's eyes & that you run to God in repentance as soon as a sinful thought creeps into your mind, making you up-to-date in your repentance⁉️🤷🏻♂️
Why does the gospel of John not mention repentance once- it’s supposedly the most evangelical gospel - so one cannot get saved reading it?
Repentance is all over the gospel of John. Use the meaning of Repentance and not just the word. But you cannot be saved with Calvinism.
Chip Diamond sweater. Psh.
Psh.
Tuff 🔥🔥
Just look it.
I expected this to be a lot simpler . Isn’t the simple explanation that God determine it ! How can Lawson then not do it ?
You're correct and this is where Calvinst theology crumbles and should be rejected.
God is not the author of sin
predetermined or predestined?
This is NOT a “Gracious Take!”
When you say gracious do you mean like how the calvanist attack all other branches of christian leaders when they fall?
James White and Ligonier Ministries are satanic.
yup, those examples JW used, actually make SL sound a bit standoffish and arrogant
So many Arminian “Christian’s” commit sin and fall as preachers and no one cares, but a reformed man does it and it’s a “Calvinist” issue? How ignorant and silly people are. Gods elect are made up of fallen beings. Gods ordained plan for everyone doesn’t make him responsible or the author of sin. Has no one read the Bible? These teachings are so clear. Both predestination AND Gods will. It’s sad people are choosing to stay ignorant because of their own desires and take of scriptures.
God is bringing an end to the godless teachings of Calvanism. From Alister Begg to Steve Lawson.
@jorgemoreno5007
There's no more rude, mocking and ungodly people than Arminians. Roman Catholic church, Seven Day Adventism, Jehovah Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals!!! - and many more, what do they have in common to their very last member?
They're Arminians.
didn't God ordain steve lawson's affair? could have ordained him not too sin too....weird
We going to ignore clear passages where God clear states abstaing from sin is the will of God....????
@@jorgemoreno5007 dang, you have madd cow disease?
@@Madhatter675 you silly little response is weird. You Must be a Kamala fan and love killing unborn babies
Stuff like this really exposes how silly Calvinism is…
What? Lol
Are you in your right state of mind?
Nope. That's a blisteringly stupid comment.
Agreed
That's not very nice. It might be the only sweater he can afford.
Rabid wolves in the comments.
Agreed - It's so sad.
Calvinist pastors are wolves teaching a false Gospel across the world.
I’d agree with that. Lots of people unfortunately would rather post comments (through the safety of an anonymous RUclips thread post) to pick an online, unproductive fight, than have an edifying conversation. James 4:1.
@@Hannah11235 lol, sure. Enjoy your legalism and see where your self righteousness gets you
We dont know enouggh yet to draw any conclusion.
More information was released that this was an ongoing affair of 5 years with a women in her 20s.
@DANIELRODRIGUEZ-yr3et Did he meet her 5 years ago for the first time? Is "5 years" the length of the emotional affair? Were there texts? If so, what were the nature of them? How often, if ever, did they see each other?
He's in his 70s. Is he even capable of having sex? How did the father come to know? Did his daughter go to him? Did he catch them together? Did he see the texts?
Did Steve Lawson confess the relationship was romantic or inappropriate, or is he defending himself.
I want answers before going scorched earth.
@@Lambdamale.good questions; SL and the woman say there was no fornication. That’s very noteworthy.
@@DANIELRODRIGUEZ-yr3et. I heard no sex was involved, I can’t say if I believe that. I’ll wait and see what else is revealed. Meanwhile there are many Pastors online and I can study on my own if need be.
@LifeandLifeMoreAbundantly I think it is. If he is to be held to a higher standard because of his popularity, then I also believe we owe it to him to hold his accusers to an equally high standard. If he's guilty then so be it. But right now. It's gone from sounding REALLLY REALLY BAD, to just bad.
Talk about having to eat the meat & spit out the bones…your gracious comments vs. your snide remarks are beneath the man of God but quite frankly, typical for you. Your comments about the green room, plane & diet were unnecessary & unhelpful.
Yea he's a LOSER. God help him
What's the problem with Steve Lawson? Look regarding his wife, the bloom is off the rose and the old man needed a new bouquet. In all seriousness, can we now properly designate Steve Lawson as a covenant breaker? Romans 1:31. Divorce is not necessary to apply the moniker. Why don't we teach what Malachi preached: Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant. Malachi 2:14
Don't feed the old man.
But did not God decree for Steve Lawson to do this. Should not a true calvanist rejoice in the fact that God was glorified by Lawson's failure.
EXACTLY!!!
I sat in a class taught by a Calvinist who said the reason we sin is because God put that desire in our heart.
@@adamburge5988. Calvinism is ANOTHER GOSPEL. Galatians 1:8
Oh shut up.
Wow what is this, Strawman Thursday?
Counter to what JW said here, I’ve heard from other pastors here on YT who’ve attended conferences with Lawson, that he did not just hang out in the “green room,” rather that he did stay and interact with attendees. I guess they attended different conferences with Lawson. Personally I don’t think heaping coals on Lawson’s head is particularly helpful at this moment.
I can only personally attest from my own experience that my family and I attended the G3 national conference last September, Lawson was one of several high profile speakers, and he was literally the only one who had an “entourage”, so to speak, and would not engage or speak with any attendees.
Virgil Walker, James Coates, Justin Peters, Darrell Harrison, Paul Washer, Emilio Ramos, & Phil Johnson on the other hand, were all very friendly and engaging.
thats will of god for lawson. why dont you praise god?
Correct. It was God’s will for Lawson to be a church pastor for a season. That season has come to an end, and now the consequences he will face.
Your statement is factually correct. God should always be praised.
@@patrickc3419 depend of what god we are talking about.........god of calvinism is satan, so i dont praise him for sure...
@@kristovposlanik8235
Oh I would certainly never praise Satan either; that’s a damnable sin that sends people to Hell.
Certainly I can understand what many, and I mean MANY, people hate Calvinism (though as a 1689 Baptist, I would call it Reformed theology, or the doctrines of grace); It wounds prideful hearts.
i.e. “What?? I didn’t save myself”?
@@patrickc3419 so i did save myself becouse i beleived?
@@kristovposlanik8235
No sir. The only thing you brought to your salvation was the sin which made it necessary. Man’s role in his salvation is as recipient.
I'm not disappointed in Lawson, I'm praying for him to repent and turn to the Lord. I feel bad that sin got ahold of him. He is human just like we are, he had wonderful sermons and I think those were from the Holy Spirit. He is still a Christian, he just messed up. God bless you all
Dont put your hope in James White.
Or in @phillip6078. But for those who point us to Christ, we absolutely do listen to as they point to the One in whom our eternal HOPE rests. I don't put my hope in man, but in Christ.
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We shouldn’t put our hope in any man or woman.
Isaiah 2:22. Psalm 146:3.
@patrickc3419 I know. I looked at how people have responded to Dr. Lawson and it's mostly "I am disappointed, I am shocked". People reacted as such because they put high hope on a man. Dr. James White has many followers. He's stilled a man.
@@phillip6078
And I agree with you on that 💯.
When I say I’m disappointed or shocked, I am just conveying that it’s saddening to witness a theologian who I looked up to to inspiration, biblical insight, etc. to crash so badly and unexpectedly. I remember seeing and hearing him last year at G3.
But yes, we absolutely should not put faith in mere men, and maybe I have been guilty of that as well.
Mr. White- please don't wear that sweater. It's atrocious. Unsubscribing.
lol
Bro what? That's a cool sweater. Why are you so focused on what he's wearing that you can't hear what he's saying?
I still remember my old Calvinist so call "Elect" College always Talk about Ravi Zacheria, he was not true Christian he is not part of Elect and so he will be in hell. Now im in delima Alister Begg and Steve Lawson are Elect group of Calvinist. I wonder how this people is commenting and supporting him😊
The same way as everyone else, in a variety of different ways.
They just ignore the Calvinite cognitive dissonance!
@@mysteriouschannel2391 we are all sinners even as believers.
Exactly!
Correct them. Election of a person does not depend on his merits.
"Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand" Romans 9:11
Calvinists one question:: is he still save?? Or he was never a new born believer?? Can he still enter to the kindom been a adulters,,,so i think this hits not the hearts of people hurts the doctrine,, one day hes a sample to follow,now he is the worst for liying for 5 yrs,,,if it would be me ,paul washer would say i was never a new born again,,,can you guys say the same about Steve?????
Calvinists would not presume to answer the questions of eternal judgment that clearly are God’s domain.
@wanda520 but Steven Lawson and other calvinist preachers do that very thing all the time. It's a fair question for the OP to ask
@@wanda520 Steve L ones mock Joel Osten when ask by Larry king about that same issue when he asnwer " I dont Know" about eternal Judgment you brought up
Nobody comes with a guarantee except God, Himself.
I'd never heard of this man until last week. I believe he's a great bible teacher so I'm going to watch his teaching videos if they are still up.
'Adultery' (though at what level re him and the other woman) hurts their families, and the church though I think more damage is done to the body of Christ by gossips, liars and judgemental Christians.
He's grieved the Lord, first. No small matter.
I just hope there's no video footage of him being with a call girl or something like that.
Are you serious?
????
these steve lawson idolaters are something else man lol