Christians, We CANNOT Keep Doing This to Our Pastors
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Christians, we CANNOT keep doing these things to our pastors… In this video, Todd Friel warns us about 13 ways Christians can drive their pastors to despair and cause them to long for a regular job.
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I’m a bi-vocational pastor. I work a full time job. I have 2 teenagers and married to my high school sweetheart. I pastor a small congregation of around 75 people. I’m the only preacher in the church. So it’s teaching on Wednesdays and preaching on Sundays. Plus all the complaints, the visits (I don’t mind it. I love the people) and other things. There is moments I’m mentally and spiritually exhausted to be honest. In those moments, all it takes is an encouraging word from someone that gives me the fuel to keep going. Of course I pray daily and stay in the word all I can. But we all need some affirmation that “it’s working” if that makes sense. I say that to say this….encourage your pastor. Pray for him. Lift him up when he is down.
As a fellow tentmaker I can feel your pain, and I can assure you you're not alone. If no one has said so today, let me be the one to say: Well done, good and faithful servant!
@@bretwalker2295 May God bless you Brother in all your endeavours. May God be your strength and comfort and bring you the encouragement that you need from the sheep that you serve, for His sake. A crown of glory awaits.
Hang in there man. Remember that whenever you are weak, Christ proves strong.
See "Hell's Best-Kept Secret" and "True and False Conversion" by Ray Comfort.
Praying for you dear brother. Continue to press on for Christ. Your labour is not in vain. Pray that Christ give you more strength in your labours.
A pastor is a demanding position and full of responsibility. I pray for pastors that God be with them and help them constantly, and that they be encouraged ❤🙏🏻
AND they use THAT as an excuse to not Minister to those who really need it!
Wow. I will try and remember to send a card thanking my pastor and his wife. ❤
Don’t forget the other staff members. They usually go through the same crap.
As a Pastor I can say with certainty, there are a lot of Sr. Pastors that are actually the ones shooting themselves in their own foot. They want to be seen as an expert in all things. Family, Marriage, Theology, Leadership, Stage Design, Music, Web Design, Graphic Design, Architecture, Adults, Youth, Children, Nursery and on and on and on. They want their opinions to always be the one accepted, they ironically seek to be king. They want to have the final say in EVERYTHING. They want power, control, authority and respect. They get that power and then realize to maintain it it costs them everything. And when they have all the power, they are the only ones people can complain to. This is one of the major problems in the modern church that no one wants to address. Pastors need to knock it off and stop being so prideful and arrogant and be comfortable not having all the answers and relying on teams of people to actually get stuff done. I've seen way too many "Kings" proclaiming to be David but really being Saul. Don't know how many times God needs to tell us that He (His Son) is our King...
Can we all say , NARCISSIST!
Can we all say , NARCISSIST!
The problem is that many of these pastors do not train younger men, teach them, and pray for their calling as servants. Unfortunately, they have their preferences and neglect or take for granted their congregants. Most mature Christians don’t need their approbation, but they need to be encouraged. They are the ones that don’t complain - however, the need to shepherd their sheepthe Word, and share God’s Word. Too many neglect to prepare to preach and rely on their truth, which the congregation knows they are neglecting their position. Some feel they don’t need to be questioned. Sorry, that’s my experience! Go to the building, hear a weak message, give their collection, leave! No Fellowship, no relationship, nothing! We could stay at home and get the same pablum!
The narcissist word is applied apparently to teachers across the board. That is frustrating. A parent says to a child no taking cookies until after lunch. Child says Mom, you’re a narcissist? BS
I've noticed it's hard to step up in general, it's harder if you're anything but a sycophant for *everyone* in leadership. Questions, opinions, debate, not welcome. It's like military command structure but the people are wimps. I don't understand how anyone with a spine gets past the yes-men and the wolves in sheep's clothing, even in a better than average church. Be careful with the elders and officers, you don't know who they are behind the smiles.
This is partly due to the professionalization of church roles. They see the role of Pastor as a job, not a calling, and then seek after their goals that might not be Gods.
That depends on the church. One of the first questions that is often asked in search committee interviews (no matter the role) is “how are you going to grow………..?”
Well said brother! Most people don't even think of that (I wouldn't). :)
@@bmbutler2no doubt, many churches are asking the wrong questions; they are consumed with pragmatism, rather than holiness.
Pastors are called to care for their flock, first and foremost. As internal growth of members takes place, external growth of numbers inevitably follows.
As a society, we concentrate too much on what ‘we’ are doing (or planning to) rather than glorifying God for what He has, is and will do.
It's both
This is 100% true. I have served in church music for over 40 years in a full-time and part-time capacity. Every single point he makes is 100% true. 100%. If you don’t believe that, I will guarantee you have never worked on a church staff. Doesn’t matter the denomination. Can even happen in a synagogue. My favorite story from my time playing in a reform synagogue on Friday nights was being told I didn’t play “Jewish enough.” I’m not joking. What was the problem? I didn’t play the organ like their 80 year old funeral-like playing former organist. I quit. Only to be asked back after they told the perpetrator to “shut up.” I stayed until I changed FT position in a new state.
I’m going to leave this here because this is a very touchy subject with me. I’ve been through many things including being canceled from a new church position one week before starting because a woke staff member freaked out over a FB post. (Staff members: keep personal and business separate. ALWAYS). Even though a PT position, it was a significant and immediately loss of income and I wasn’t allowed to even know what it was all about.
Please don’t forget the other staff members in a church. They can suffer right along with the Pastor and more so if the Pastor is the problem. I respect Todd, but too much emphasis is out on the Pastor and the other staff members are ignored.
As I told a church 19 years ago when I was their interim for a summer (same church that cancelled me 19 years later btw) support your staff. If you hear gossip, stop the person. If you hear a lie, speak up for them. If you hear crap, stand up against it. Those things are evil and will rot out a church body just like cancer in a human body. Sadly, most congregations are too weak. In the case of a pastor who is horrible (and I’ve had many) the people give them almost god status and believe you can’t speak against them no matter the apostasy and evil they commit.
I’m going to leave this now. (I’m sure most are happy). This subject for me is like a wound. It has a scab and as long as I don’t touch it, I go along fine. But like an abusive relationship, get thinking or talking about it and you can go right back there. Good luck to those serving. For those not, don’t be a jerk and sit back pontificating like you know what it is like. Many times YOUR ATTITUDE is exactly what staff members have to deal with daily.
Way too many hypocrites out there to just ignore this. For what it's worth to you, I'm not happy you have left this [subject] now - it needs to be examined and corrected!
The people who need real fellowship are driven out of congregations by pastors and staff "because they are Inconvenient to help or deal with" in a real way [not just words!].
People have Bad Attitudes towards ministers because they have encountered too many in Ministry who Talk the talk but don't Walk the walk! The Bible is not the Arbiter of Truth in their Lives and Ministries! {Conveniently doing the things they want to do seems to be their Bottom Line.}
The fact is that many in pastorate positions are not called, they are clothed in APA tactics with a verse thrown in and they hold alphabet certificates from Academia. They are scholars perhaps but a Shepard NO.
You are part of the problem.
Pastors should be scholars and shepards. In fact, the word Pastor as the leader of a church implies appreciation for God's creation.
@@linkskywalker5417 Pastors should be scholars, but their primary role is yo shepherd and kead their congregation. A lot of people who speak on the pulpit missed their true calling as a shoe salesman.
Very true.
They preach a Dead Gospel, there is no Life-Changing power in their words!
I wouldn’t complain or be agitated if my pastor didn’t do everything the way I want them to in my local church; the only time in which I would confront them is if they attempt to compromise on crucial matters in scripture. But as long as their preaching is biblically sound and strong, I’ll accept them.
Sadly that isn’t the norm.
@@bmbutler2 You are right; May you be Blessed for telling the Truth!
As some that dose IT i must say that I’m very jealous that my job is always changing due to softwares and viruses that are always coming out compared to having God’s word to learn/teach that never changes
I work in IT too and amen to the constant changes
True God's word never changes, however, people and expectations do. There is SOOOOOOOOOO much more to pastoring than learn/teach, if that's all a GOOD pastor does, yes his job could be easier. HOWEVER, when a GOOD pastor who has a "calling" actually pastor's it is MUCH more demanding and challenging. DON'T be jealous of a job/calling you have never had.
All the changes you refer to are to make the Product better for the Users. Pastor's don't care about the End Product in people if it inconveniences them!
If you REALLY are Jealous, You can start a Ministry for people Devastated by the Hypocritical behavior of those 'pastors'!
@@debrahartley9254 And where might those be found? Good Pastors? You are joking, right? Or do you have a personal stake in saying this, a "Horse in the Race", type of thing?
When you say "Good" Pastors, you must mean those who we read about in old books - not the modern Hypocrites passing as such. When I see a Pastor Manifesting the Miraculous In a True and Holy way, AND see them taking personal time with those who need it, That IS a "Good" Pastor - but they are not seen anymore, assuming they still exist.
My hat goes off to all the pastors. I served as one for 18 years. It is both an extraordinary experience, but it can also be a terrible experience. Definitely, churches are hospitals that receive broken people to be taken care of by broken people. Praise God because He gives us strength, wisdom, patience, love, and understanding to do ministry. I am thankful for how my family supported me all that time and for the many collaborators along the way.
Now, that being said, please, those of you who have a pastor, make sure that he will have financial stability for his retirement years.
In my case, I will only have Social Security and is going to be very tight for my wife and in the coming years. Give words of support and ask from time to time if he is doing OK or if he or his family needs anything. Thank you.
Ok, here's the Question - If God answers Prayers {"Ask whatsoever ye will"}, and you have been following Him Completely, why would he bring you Lack? Can't He be trusted to do as He says? Doesn't God take care of His own?
We are given the "Sure Word of Scripture", but is it REALLY "Sure"? It seems we have to make up excuses [of course, NON-Biblical reasons!] for all the times God fails to act like He promised He would!
This is why I love the OPC and the PCA the structure is there to keep from the tyranny of the sheep or the tyranny of the pastor.
Now you need a group of letters to keep the Hypocricy away! :)
We also need to understand their Financial situations, many of these Pastor's are taking out serious loans to Obtain Mdivs and Dmin/Ph.D and the salary is very low. That leads to a burden of stress as well. Support your local churches financially!!!
I disagree. Might want to take a look at the pastor’s salary on the budget sheet. Unless it is a small church. But that is the search committee’s job.
No one needs a degree to know scripture. The Pharisees and Sadducees were the religious scholars of Yahusha's day and they did not recognize Him. Yahusha chose basic men as His disciples.
Why not have someone who doesn't have a Religious Degree? Why does Man's approval have anything to do with God's Enlightenment?
@@jannaswanson271 I know the Bible better than 99% of the preachers, plus commentaries, Concordances, History, etc., but that does not matter - MAN'S Degrees are all that matters to these churches!
@@BlazingTorch-ow6qj Truth! No one in the Scriptures has a "degree".
Are people just _trauma-dumping_ on their pastors...? Come on, guys, he's not Elmo.
Better reference is "The Giver" and actually I'd say there is some legitimate cross over. .... but that is also why congregations should be smaller, and life/small/accoubtability groups and individual friendships within the congregation should be encouraged.
Yeah -- just go to A.A.
Guess you’ve never served on a FT staff
Yes, extreme over-sharing and clinginess. But it's also because they're bored. Because evangelism is dead in Western civilization.
@@spartakos3178AMEN
Pray for your Pastor!❤we are not perfect,so is he-love the church❤
Get a Pastor worthy of that type of Prayer! Too many are only about themselves at the End of the Day. They are a part of the "I never knew you" crowd that Jesus condems in the Bible!
30% of pastors quitting would be a good thing given the lack of biblical preaching going on
Way to completely miss the point of the video and make a generalized statement
@@shinineagle23 BUT, they are right! Too many Hypocrites posing as "Pastors" that destroy True Faith.
And where is YOUR Compassion? Hurt people - too bad for them, right?
Preach the truth. Churches have gone mad. Elders $ money directs the word spoken.
How many people in the survey were asked 20? Come on. Gods exposing false pastors atm.
Uh, what?
@@bmbutler2 I'm pretty sure bronni was not aiming this at you personally....but if he was, shame on him. [or her, i suppose]
A pastor i listen said many people become pastors who were not called by God to be pastors and if you are one of them you dont last since being a true pastor requires the support of God
I would respectfully disagree, since the inverse isn't true. There's plenty of false teachers who remain so for a long time, and God never called them. Sometimes ppl just lose sight of the goal and get discouraged. Happens to all of us.
True sometimes... but it's really not that simple. Sometimes good pastors get hurt by churches or groups. It's hard for some to recover from the trauma. Some can't stand to see their wives and families suffer from people who are unkind and have unrealistic expectations.
Imagine what would happen if a pastor stood up in front of the congregation, calling out the people for not fulfilling their role as a believer. Spiritual gifts are given to everyone to serve the body.
Pastors are church members with a different roles, but we all have a role and responsibility to our church family. But this also means pastors are part of the family, not an employee.
@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC thats why i said true pastor and one can call themselve a pastor its not like being a doctor
@@shanescott3168 If you know that God called you to be a pastor, if God wants you in that role, will God not give you the strength when you need it?
Modern pastors lack "completion energy" that most normal jobs have. The process of sanctification is a slow and often immeasurable process which never ends till death, so we are never "complete" and that can be a discouragement to Pastors. Whereas a lot of churches love to hype certain metrics: church attendance, conversions, giving, etc... most of those things have almost no real value trying the measure the spiritual health of a local church.
I was a preacher and Bible teacher, got discouraged, quit and now i do IT Support por real. I'm happier now.
You may not have been called to that office by God. God bless. Hope you still attend a church
As someone that has trained and ministered to many pastors, I offer a few observations. Most Pastors are shepherding more goats than sheep. Many are in the pulpit that were never called by God. Good points in this video, just wanted to add two important qualifiers.
Pastors and deacons are to call out goat behavior but if any did they probably wouldn't have much of a church anymore. I say so be it.
"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner-not even to eat with such a person.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.” I Corinthians 5: 11-13
I once was s member in a church that went through pastors like water. One of the former pastors declared he will never set foot in that church ever again. The church board alwsys crspped on pastors.
While the rest of the church sits on their hands and allows it to happen. Can happen to other staff positions too. I know.
@@bmbutler2 you're absolutely correct!
@@SL-dq5bz that is very true
Disband the board. If they ain't preaching, they're not reaching.
There was a pastor who was sought out by a church. He preached there and was loved. They offered him a position but he initially declined because he didn't like the board's criteria for hire. They pursued him a 2nd time and he said if he gets hired, the board will have to go. They liked him enough to agree and the board was no more.
I've seen boards request the dumbest, borderline-antichrist things from the pastor. Boards belong in a business, not the church.
@@NDCCMTX I never understood why churches needs boards. The new testament church never had one when the church was new. I also don't like denominations. I attend a small non denominational church averaging around 40 members.
SO WELL PUT!!! My husband is a full time pastor who has often thought another job would be easier.
Then He should go do another job that "seems" easier! Honestly, He would be more useful in 'society' where people DON'T go to Church! Pray about it....
In the biblical context, it's essential to recognize that the titles commonly used in contemporary church settings, such as "Pastor" or "Apostle,", "Evangelist" were not explicitly assigned to individuals among Jesus' followers during his earthly ministry and are the traditions of men. The term "pastor," for instance, as commonly understood today, was not used in the same sense in the New Testament. In examining the New Testament, it becomes evident that the role of a pastor, as understood in modern contexts, differs significantly from the biblical model of leadership within the early Christian communities. Nowhere in the New Testament do we find individuals serving as pastors in the contemporary sense, where they act as the central focus of worship or the sole leader of the gathering. Instead, the early Christian gatherings operated on a more egalitarian model, where multiple individuals contributed to the edification and guidance of the community. While certain individuals were recognized for their spiritual gifts and leadership qualities, there was no hierarchical structure akin to the modern concept of a pastor. In the New Testament, leadership within the church was characterized by a plurality of elders or overseers (also referred to as bishops or shepherds) who shared in the responsibility of shepherding the flock. For example, in Acts 20:17, Paul summons the elders of the church in Ephesus to meet with him, indicating a group of leaders rather than a singular pastor. Similarly, in Titus 1:5, Paul instructs Titus to appoint elders in every town, emphasizing the collective nature of leadership. Furthermore, the New Testament emphasizes the priesthood of all believers, where each member of the community is encouraged to contribute their spiritual gifts for the benefit of the body. In 1 Corinthians 14:26, Paul writes, "What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up." This passage illustrates the participatory nature of the early Christian gatherings, where multiple individuals were involved in worship, teaching, and edification. There was no single individual elevated above the rest as the primary leader or focus of worship. Therefore, the modern concept of a pastor as the central figure in church gatherings does not align with the biblical model of leadership and community life depicted in the New Testament. Instead, the early Christian communities functioned as collaborative and mutually supportive fellowships, where leadership was shared among qualified elders and all members were encouraged to contribute to the spiritual growth and well-being of the body. While Ephesians 4:11 mentions "pastors" among the spiritual gifts given to the church, it's crucial to understand that the Greek word translated as "pastors" in this verse, ποιμένας (poimenas), simply means "shepherds." These shepherds were primarily responsible for nurturing and caring for the spiritual well-being of the congregation, akin to tending to a flock of sheep. Moreover, Jesus himself explicitly cautioned against the use of titles of honor or authority within the community of believers. In Matthew 23:8-11, he admonished his disciples, saying, "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant" (NIV). This teaching underscores the egalitarian nature of relationships among believers and emphasizes servanthood over positions of authority or hierarchical titles. While certain individuals may possess spiritual gifts, such as shepherding or teaching, they are called to exercise these gifts humbly and with a servant's heart, rather than seeking elevated titles or positions. Furthermore, it's worth noting that even the apostles, who played significant roles in the early Christian church, did not refer to themselves with titles such as "Apostle Peter" or "Apostle Paul." Instead, they identified themselves simply as Psul an apostle and servants or messengers of Christ in their letters and teachings. Therefore, when considering the role of leadership and service within the church, it's important to focus on the function and purpose of these roles rather than on titles or positions of authority. All believers are called to shepherd and care for one another, following the example of Jesus Christ, who is the ultimate example of servant leadership.
TL:DR I am sure you thought about it. Just letting you know IMO TL
Thank you for that exposition. I agree wholeheartedly and also believe that is why so many men do not involve themselves in churches. I was raised a Catholic and I’m afraid I see little difference between popes and pastors. The ‘one man rules’ is one Catholic tradition Protestants should have done away with from day one.
You couldn't be wrong with this theology if you tried.
I would love to see what a church ran like this looks like! I’d totally go check it out
So how do we implement this? I agree, but corrective action is needed as well!
He made some really solid points. Both encouraging and convicting!
Hmmm, my experience is that pastors are not that interested in talking with the sheep in their care. The lack of humility is more likely the problem. Do they not know they are to suffer for Christ and His Kingdom. They are upset because critics are stumbling blocks in the way of building their own kingdom.
God bless the Men of God..
A pastor is called to teach correct practice and correct doctrine. I would contend that very few pastors know how to make disciples as Jesus taught in Matthew 28:19, 20. So many are no different than a rabbi. They do not teach the people to "go". The people who have been taught to make disciples and become reproducers are not the complainers.
As a Sys Admin I would suggest against getting an IT support job if people complaining is a problem for you. LOL
Study the real life of Jesus in scripture and the life of an actual working shepherd. Thank your Pastors😊 often
Excellent video by Todd!!
I keep in mind that what I heard from my pastor may not be what I THINK he should have preached…but it sure as shootin, was what GOD knew I needed to hear.
I am looking for the place in the Bible where it describes professional clergy and special calling to the office of pastor.... My analysis is that it is an issue of doctrinal tradition and the frustration that comes with trying to teach from the Bible that which is extra-biblical. In the information age, it is difficult to lord over literate people through dogma. Everyone has a bible and can search it... so we know when the 'teacher' is blowing smoke. 'If you think otherwise, maybe you are not a Christian/biblical' is among the most common lines from the pulpit except the basic gospel....
Who “lords over literate people through dogma?” People were much more Biblically intelligent and families intact 30 plus years ago.
1 Corinthians 9:3-14
Excerpt: " Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel."
Ephesians 4:11-12
"So [Christ] himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up."
I think it has to do with what we have turned church into and the expectations we have
The tug of war between governance and what the Spirit was leading and what congregants were expecting during the past few years has been hard on pastors and churches and elder boards. I hope the Lord's leading became more established for more churches as the state pushes in more and more. Is it time to leave the 501c3 yet? We all need to decide. Do we give for a tax write off? Start by not itemizing your giving, if you have in the past. It's very freeing. If churches knew people would still give, it would be easy.
lol. Some of these cracked me up in the “so true” sense.
One of the biggest flaws is even calling most of these guys pastors. Big Eva rides on.
Im in the prosses of seeking a senior pastor position. Right now there are a lot of Senior Pastor positions that need filling as many pastors have retired and many young men are not qualified for the position. The ones that are qualified are seek what church the Lord is leading them to. A major problem is that church is too demanding on them and thier family. They want the Pastor to do everything in the church while they sit back and tell him what to do all that while judging his wife and kids and comparing him to the last Pastor. It's very hard and I see a lot of churches closing down or getting replanted by there denominations.
I serve God not a corrupt church!!!
The biggest problem with today’s church is because of pastors who think of pastoring a church as a job, rather than a high calling of God. Very sad to see the comparison to an IT job. I have worked in the IT industry for more than 2 decades, the competition, toxic work culture, back stabbing, layoffs, it’s like the grass is greener on the other side syndrome. Please don’t compare apples to oranges.
Oof ouch. Thanks Todd.
Also, the Ubber Todd is my favorite. Lol😊
God equips us with all we need to carry out the work He ordained for us. If the pastor quits, maybe this work was not ordained for him.
Nevertheless, all advice in this video sounds biblically correct.
I had enough of the members wanting a politician. There were times I had to take a Biblical stand even all the way up to presbytery level of church government. I ended up standing alone at those times. I had enough of it back then.
If I depended on my pastor - nearly any modern pastor, really - to care for my soul or to feed me so that I would grow spiritually, I would die. Pastors seem to have interest neither in the sheep, nor in Christ. It’s all about growing the church.
Yes, we must be more encouraging, but there is also something not going right with the pastorate these days. They aren’t praying men anymore, and how else is the pastor to keep watch for my or anyones soul?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t complain to my pastor. I keep my mouth shut. But I also have given up hope that any modern pastor will notice my soul let alone keep watch over it. I cry out to the Lord alot over this. “Lord, no one cares for my soul! Please care for me, because if You don’t, no one will!” And I spend a lot of time with Christ looking after it myself. This is the only option in many churches.
Most modern pastors have no real relationship with anyone in their church. Churches are too large and run by the love of money rather than the love of Christ.
A lot of these problems are self inflicted by the pastor.
This sort of empty-headed hysteria drives me to dispair.
Jesus had His fair share of complainers I would suspect. Martha was mad at Mary for not helping her and wanted Jesus to intervene. The Apostles were mumbling about who was the better among them. When Christ calls a man to be a pastor it isn’t an easy one. It’s a demanding calling, to be sure. For any pastors who might read this: There are people like myself who are thirsty and want honest, strong leadership and mostly a pastor who wants to spread the Good News of the Gospel. I don’t want to join a club, I don’t want my ears tickled and I will serve and do my best to encourage you. We ALL need to be better - pastors, elders, and the sheep he shepherds. I want to add one final point: Being a pastor is so much more than a job/career. Satan will try you, tempt you and try to frustrate you and whisper in your ear to just quit and work a normal job, please don’t listen to his lies.
Sadly, after reading through these comments, I feel that many of them (and most of the replies) don’t sound any different than other opinions and “discussions” elsewhere on RUclips. But they’re talking about secular videos and subjects!!
I’m afraid that this is exactly what is wrong with our churches today. We must love one another, and show that love - by not aggressively arguing, being prideful and playing the devils advocate, amongst other things. Loved ones, we should always think before we hit that send button - is this idea or comment bringing Jesus to people, and people to Jesus? May God bless us all
Sometimes people refuse to deal with sin within the church because it is not "nice" and then confuse that for love.
Guess Jesus wasn't too loving when He drove out the Money Changers from the Temple....?
The majority of these quitting pastors are not qualified. They wanna learn on the job and arent patient nor kind. Very few pastors out there barely invest in people but want loyalty from everyone without reciprocity. I say this as a pastor and have 36 years of experience in what I have said.
A qualified pastor should be encouraged and loved.
The unqualified should, should step down and get qualified by many years of ministry before becoming a pastor. Sheep bite. Sheep complain. Sheep are selfish and they stink. Love the sheep. Be kind to the sheep. Feed the sheep. In time, God will bring about the change. If it doesn't happen by our efforts, then we are learning patience.
2 Corinthians 6:3-13
[3]Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
[4]But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
[5]In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
[6]By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
[7]By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
[8]By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
[9]As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
[10]As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
[11]O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
[12]Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
[13]Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
This is given first to the apostles, then to pastors and other leaders then the church.
Pastors have forgotten this and just want roses and blissful church experiences. Walk by faith that Christ is in you as you minister. No matter the bites or complaining and you wont quit.
A lot of us cant keep up with inflation and have no hope of a reasonable retirement. The Lord is good though! 😊
I agree on inflation. Most churches won’t even give you a CSA, but don’t let the government not give them one in their social security. Now retirement: that depends on the denomination. If you aren’t putting money into your denomination’s 401k/403b, that’s your fault especially if the church or denomination matches. Even if you don’t have that, you can still put money in an IRA or Roth IRA (and full disclosure, I now work in wealth management and serve PT in a church. I used to be FT for 10 years. Thankfully God saw I was worn out at 36 (people said “you are just turned out.” I told them “no, I WORN out. Big difference.” And went into this and serve PT after a 2 year break.)
The Lord supplies our needs and why would anyone retire? The Lord also is our healer.
Hi Todd. I appreciate your ministry and agree with you for the most part on most topics. However, this one I didn't entirely agree with for a couple reasons:
1) The comparison of a pastor to an IT guy I dont believe is a good one having worked as tech support in different capacities since tech support is there purely for the purpose of fixing things when they break. Pastors are there to feed you and help you grow on a consistent basis, as you rightly quoted from MacArthur. If you aren't growing or your pastor isnt feeding you correctly, I believe its fine to question the pastor on it.
2) I was just talking to my own pastor recently and we agreed that the seminaries and Bible colleges these days are churning out unequipped, unprepared, and sometimes flat out unqualified "pastors" who have no understanding of what being a pastor and ministering the Gospel are truly about (ex. Steven Furtick). I dont think its complaining for a congregation to call such men out and insist that they course correct and humble themselves if they have not done so already. If such a man gets discouraged and wants to quit the ministry because of this, maybe his calling wasnt a true one.
This not an attack against you or your ministry Todd, far from it. Just a couple considerations on behalf of those of us who sit in the pews.
Maybe pastors are realizing that they’ve made a pact with Baal (501C3 tax exemption) 😮 in exchange for their silence
Ephesians 4:11-13 - And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
The vast majority of these are job seekers instead of God's given man for these ordained & annointed positions of responsibility. Responsible to God and not the saints! Responsible to God and not the denomination! Responsible to God alone!
Ministry would be easy if not for the people...... someone once said! Yet, God Himself calls one to ministry. Not the people! Yet, for the equipping of the people! For the work of service unto God. This is making disciples! In the same manner as demonstrated by Christ Himself in the Gospel narratives. It is not about preaching 3 point sermons each Sunday on topics that tickle the ears of those in the audience. Equipping is a long marathon of ups and downs with stubborn, prideful, self concerned children!. Yet, God loves and abides with His children, never leaving or forsaking them..... even ae they shake their fists at Him in contempt! Those Gospel narratives of Matthew, Mark. Luke & John reveal that love and devotion ever so strongly! What were Christ's words to His Father even as they had nailed His flesh to a cross?..... " Father,, forgive them for they know not what they do. "
What about when you have a pastor who completely ignores you, when you’ve been suffering for 8 months and can’t attend church? I am a member of a church and they have blatantly ignored my illness. They don’t contact me, they don’t call and pray for me. I’ve never received one visit. I’m heartbroken.
@robine1018 I totally hear you. Please look to Jesus than a pastor or a church. People of this world will fail you, only Jesus can heal and comfort you. I pray for God’s healing touch upon you. Don’t lose heart, keep pressing on with Jesus. He never leaves you nor forsake you. 🙏
@@JoelGoldwin Thank you. I will never give up on God. I’ve been a born again Christian for a long time. My husband said, once I get through this, we are going to look for a different church. I look forward to that. I stay in Gods Word and watch ministers on here that teach sound doctrine. I appreciate prayers from everyone. I’ve had more strangers praying for me than people I know. I’m very grateful. God bless you.
That is Church alright - no wonder people stay far away!
The past two I have served under will be with me in heaven, but the first one (2014-20120) was difficult, cold and constantly gave left handed "compliments" out of the pulpit. He was combative and was known to fly off the handle for no real reason. He left go to Africa after finding out he had a behavioral problem. The two remaining elders and the church added another elder and they hired a man who speaks lightning fast, gives 12-20 scripture references per sermon and when gently confronted has blown off two men in the church who are good men. He blows off people in his classes and when he came the church had about 119 people coming. As of two Sundays ago, they are down to about 80 people and more will bleed off. Ministers are given WAY too much to do. There is a reason there are deacons and the elders should rebuke the complaining class. I left that church and went to another one who is having trouble with their preacher. I don't know what he has been through in four years, but all three of these gentlemen have a works based push in their lessons. That is not what Jesus preached. Knowing you are loved and your sins are covered should prompt you to good works. Most folks are waiting to be asked to use their talents and skills, but we are so busy running the church like a corporation we have forgotten we are family. Hosea 4:6
uh,.... was that list for IT sarcastic? Anyone who claims #9 hasn't seen our ticket queue
OK that sheep was adorable
Being a shepherd is the hardest job there is just ask Jesus Christ however grow thick skin or the world will eat you for breakfast in another words toughen up if your going to fight sin and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to bring people to Jesus Christ remember strength is respected and weaknesses is mocked so be a strong thick skinned pastor.
Left because of Deacons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Left because of Deacons
A True case of Deacon Blues!! :)
Hey I need help. I’m looking for a video about true Christianity but can’t seem to find it 😕
Your best help is the Bible itself on Video, since no Man's Influence will be there!
Obviously……’’Not just the Pastor’’ …. The Bible says …..elder or elders …..feed the sheep…. The more sheep the….the more elders …required ….Moses and his Team or Family of Workers …. All directed by the Lord
TL:DR long rany about how churches started choosing their pastors in the world instead of the spirit/word. Why does a church need to be accredited by the state why does the state have anything to do with the church? Pretty sure Jesus defied both church and state in order to appease God. IMO churches have jumped into the states arms rather than proclaiming Christ's power. TBF I think I am guilty of this too to some extent, but then again I'm not asking to be made a church leader.
Do you live in the United States? There is not one "accredited" church in the United States of America.
@@sunnier1 is this a response to me? How many 'pastors' are without a degree from an accredited seminary? Is one required to be a pastor? I don't remember that being one of the requirements mentioned in the Bible. I do remember Jesus being chastized by the established religous orders for not being 'accredited'
Maybe this wouldn't be such a problem if we would stop following the COMPLETELY unbiblical model of "a pastor and his church". There is not even a HINT of such a thing in Scripture. There is no such person in Scripture as "a pastor". There are persons who have the GIFT of pastor, but nobody who has any such title. Rather, there are elders, who are men with the gift of pastoring, and elders are ALWAYS plural.
And no, that doesn't mean that we pretend to have a "teacher elder" and then some others elders who do only token teaching.
Wrong, every job, every where, by everybody has said they want to quit their job in the last year
Someone electronically stalked 1 of mine once.
IMO lucky it was just one. Many banks social media /etc do it now regardless how a person feels.
How about the problem is because the pastor starts his Shepparding journey by wanting to make money with it or garner more attention. Thats a THEM problem, not a sheep problem. Pastoral leadership shouldn't be used to affirm mans systems but glorify God. I say let them quit if they arent doing it for the right reasons
Maybe they are a pastor for the wrong reason? Is God calling?
Ya, well the congregation needs fed. Enough Sunday school. Pastors are supposed to be called not made. Called because they know SPIRITUAL truths of scripture and can keep people in Spiritual faith to a Spiritual God.. All we get today is Physical interpretation of men. NOTHING spiritual about it. This means (since its not Truth) there is room for debate, and un certainty. If someone in the congregation asks a Pastor a Question that is deep and needs Spiritual understanding to give a answer, but instead they give them something that does not make sense or is countered by scripture, or even worse, don't tell them anything but to chalk it up to faith. Well, this causes lots of problems. It even gets people to leave Christianity all together.. If the Pastors want encouragement then the Shepard needs to Love there sheep enough to feed them MEAT. We are starving for TRUTH, not mans interpretation or opinion. WE DONT WANT RELIGION OR TRADITION. We want TRUTH that lifts the soul and brings faith to God, not more questions or complaint. Want encouragement? feed the sheep the Gospel and leave your Sunday school story for the new converts. Instead Pastors keep new converts eating milk there whole life, and the lambs are full. Time to feed the sheep. If those pastors were real Spiritually led pastors they would not feel this way or be quitting. So good riddance to bad rubbish I say. Let the Physical minded Sauls leave, they did there job, now let the Paul's take it from here.
Physical interpretation has lead to Worldly doctrines and now the Pastors are being questioned and cant Haddle it, nor do they have the right answers to give. So if they choose to step down, that's better for the church as far as I see it. Maybe now we can focus on Spiritual things and find Truth in God Word and Prayer. We are to have a Personal relationship With God. Not God and Pastor. Thanks for all your Work Pastors, but goodbye. Cry baby pastors who cant face a bit of persecution from there own members.. lol week in Spirit! they had no business calling themselves Pastors to begin with. They have no faith in God, their faith is in themselves and when they dont get praise for THERE work they quit.. Bye Bye.
Well maybe if the seminaries and Bible colleges would stop putting out woke Pastors, who don’t feed their sheep the truth, thus the sheep get disillusioned, then well…Many many pastors aren’t edified themselves, so how do they expect a church congregation to remain ?
No pastor should seek a degree. They should be taught directly from the Spirit and the Scripture.
Sorry but our actions don’t cause, in this case , pastors to do anything. Pastors will choose, like us how they want to react to any given situation.
And regardless of who they are . If they choose to operate outside thier relationship with Christ, well what do
You think are going to be the consequences/ramifications?
Yes if they are called to shepherd the flock then they should be leading. And I case they may have forgotten the one corner stone of leadership. Then as with all saints , may they should go back and read, John 13:1-17.
Our pastor lets woman preach and teach and encourages it in our church, l literally don't know what to do...
Ask God what to do.
@@BlazingTorch-ow6qj thanks, Einstein ;)
@@VidmantasSwan So, you DO know what to do!! 😉
@@BlazingTorch-ow6qj yes.
@@VidmantasSwan So, advice for your problem you wrote about....get your Scriptures [2 or 3 versions if necessary], Strong's or Vine's Concordances, and anything that might support THEIR side of the argument.
Then pray hard as to what, when and how you should approach [them].
Understand that there are "reasons" that some Biblical points aren't allowed to stand as they were written! Emotions might be more behind their decisions than Biblical Facts, so be prepared to go 'there' w/ them if needed!
Remember, I don't know what YOU may already know! So if some of these things seem Basic, apologies, but better to make Sure the House is on a firm foundation w/ Scriptural Questions! :)
Does that include the Pastor who was on a striper pole?
Where can I read about this? Context may matter here, don't know....
Maybe pastors need to stop setting themselves up.
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Pastors should quit. JC is the Chief Shepherd, not some clergy hirling. HS flowing thru each believer is stifled every time pastor preaches. It pacifies, emasculates n cuts the wheels off the congregation. 1Corinth 14:26…
Call no man father for only one is your father who is in heaven.
"Pastor" is a bit close to being a direct violation.
No it isn’t. Sorry.
Pastor just means "shepherd," it's the English translation of the title used in the New Testament, as in Ephesians 4:11 -- " And [Jesus Christ] himself gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as *pastors* and teachers,"
@BrianJohnson-lx3zd Sounds close to Padre. I suppose you're right. The Catholics however don't even gaf. I wonder why the protestants don't just Say Sheppard.... shoot even Sheppard Sounds kinda like taking the place of Christ.
@@keepthechange2811 I expect it’s just a quirk of changing language. In English “pastor” used to mean any kind of “shepherd” (literal or figurative) but over time people stopped using it to mean anything except an elder.
Judging from 1 Peter 5:1-4, pastors are effectively under-shepherds and Christ is the “Chief Shepherd.” I think the similarity is supposed to make you tremble at the thought of taking on that role. Shepherding Christ’s flock isn’t something anyone should take lightly!
@BrianJohnson-lx3zd Well God be praised you are correct. 5 5 says we should all be subject to one another. And yes being an "elder" should be a job taken in all seriousness and fear and humility....and not as a lord over the flock but as a brother. I just read 1Peter for the first time and it's exactly as I had imagined the congregation ought to be. Sorta like what we're doing now. Discussing the scripture and rejoicing in our salvation. Is the word not the most fun thing to discuss and ponder? Anyway thanks for sharing that with me.
In a way, I'm not at all bothered by this because the N.T. does not support paid professional pastoral ministers.
1 Corinthians 9:3-14.
"the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel."
@@BrianJohnson-lx3zd great passage, but wasn't meant to be an endorsement get paid to preach or teach the word. If it was, then all "lay persons" should also if they evangelize and teach as well. Building edifices where believers gather today never existed then, house churches were the norm. Today's system of paid ministry would be a foreign thing to the N.T. church.
@@jackburton184 All lay people can get paid for their ministry. A pastor is just a lay person with a specific spiritual gift (1 Corinthians 12:27-30) who applied himself. Churches frequently pay pastors and missionaries for their work because “a laborer is worth his wages.”
What else is meant by 1 Corinthians 9:3-14?
And I have nothing against house churches, but they were the norm because the Church was broadly persecuted at the time, not because early Christians made a choice to do home churches.
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Thank you for the feedback brother. I have to digress though. All N.T. scripture that speaks of these things were to remind the churches of the sacrifices the few were making in order to plant churches and see to it that they become established. Once established, the a apostle or church planter would leave after commending that body to the grace of God. The modern Christian church system, which stems way back to the third century, has taken these verses and ran away with them ad a means to make a living or a career being a minister. That's just not the pattern I see in the he N.T.
@@jackburton184 The Apostles/church planters appointed elders/overseers before commending the churches to God and departing (Acts 14:23 , Acts 20:28, Titus 1:5). Among the elders’ most important tasks were preaching and teaching (1 Timothy 5:17). And 1 Corinthians 9 specifically says that the Lord commands that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living from it. To demand pastors take no pay is disobedience to God.
Truth woman are not Pastors .God is not with that. 1 Corinthians chapter 14 v 33-37
Maybe they’re just tired of playing Pope
Yeah... Sure I'd like to trust and follow the men called pastors... But when I point out their decision is in conflict with the Bible they respond with "we see it differently" without sound exegetical argumentation.
So sorry but not sorry, I guess your pastor must be sound before he can call on such issues.
I just wish Todd and my pastor would preach about current events and the last days. Ppl need to be ready and not surprised for what is coming in the final hours.
I watched Todd poo poo Oct 7 as just another tragedy. 6 months later it's much dyer.
Now Todd doesn't say anything. It's very frustrating. Wake up plz!!!!❤❤❤
If a preacher is fulfilling his calling of building up the body of Christ he need never preach on the last days. People love to hear about that sensational stuff. What they need to hear is "without holiness, no one will see the Lord." Typically, they really don't want to hear that. If they are consistently walking with the Lord, growing in grace and knowledge of the Lord, they will be ready for the last days. Who knows, your last days may end today.
What if your Pastor is like the one in Bethlehem telling us Jesus was Muslim?
Run
Todd should stay in his lane instead of an IT support person. These examples are a bit of a reach. As a Christian and an IT professional, Todd sounds like a boomer comedian trying to make “Christian jokes” again.
Brood of vipers!
REPENT!
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As a preacher's kid, I personally saw most of these, especially me being held to a higher standard than the other kids. The most obvious example I noticed as a child: I had to be in the night service, but all of the elders' kids were on the playground. And it was the elders who stated I had to be in the service.
It’s not easy being a Pastor’s kid, my uncle was a pastor and my cousins were held to a higher standard than other children, people forget they’re kids.
As a full-time Pastor, I approve this message! But, I will be quick to add that God has blessed me with many encouraging saints in our congregation! What a privilege it is to be called to preach and feed God's people. I love what I get to do, but these characters described here in this video can be a nuisance. But, He giveth more grace! Press on preachers! Moses wanted God to kill him early too, (due to murmuring saints), but he stayed in the saddle anyway! Don't quit!
That's not why he wanted to kill Moses. It was due his kids not being circumcised. God bless you.
@ManuelB777 I am not referring to Exodus 4. I am referring to Numbers 11:1-15, which see.
@Travtop in that instance it was moses asking for death. Due to him feeling ironically like the pastors Todd is speaking of in this video. Moses was fed up with the amount of people he had to shepherd and their constant complaining. But I see your point.
@ManuelB777 Yes sir. I really enjoy these videos that this brother makes.
@Travtop me too. My only worry is where are the 30-40 year old that have sound doctrine like todd, Macarthur, Piper, Baucham, Larson, R.C. ETC
Churches got into this weird thing where the office of pastor is also the one that 'runs' the church AND do pastoring AND be the preacher/teacher. This doesn't have to be the case and is not biblical. Teaching should be shared by those with the gift of teaching and same for pastoring. Also, a pastor is not a therapist....
Pastor can be also therapist or teacher. Problem is allways in people way of thinking… in MY way of thinking…??!
@@JaQba91 Yes but what is the point of a plurality of elders? The Pastor should be a servant leader with like Moses, others to help. Men need to step up if they qualify as an elder or deacon
We didn’t attend the church at the time, but people told us that a previous pastor they had would say from the pulpit that if you disagreed with what he said or how he did things in the church, there was the door.
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I agree, Mate.
My, my, you are referring to the olden model of bishops who appointed priests to pastoral details! Such culture! 👏
Gonna be honest here with yall. I am finding it hard to even find a church. The one i am going to the pastor dose not preach about sin and it consequences so the messages seem watered down. And the others in the area belong to the new apostolic movement so they preach that you need to be able to speak in toungs and thats false doctrine just walking in the door. I dont say anything and just keep my head down but maybe we need to go back to the first century idea of house churches and small congregations again.
Good churches are almost non existent!
They are harder to find today. I personally would stay away from every mainline denominational church. I grew up Southern Baptist and have served in every denomination. The documentary “The Submerging Church” (I think still on Amazon.) does a good job documenting what has happened to the American Church the past 30 years.
@@bmbutler2 thank you brother I will look that up.
We live in rural Iowa and we could not find a church that is Biblical. People said "you'll never find a church that is perfect", we can't even find one that is striving for perfection or teaching the full Scripture without traditions and myths. Now we just stay home and are reading the entire Scripture aloud and we have learned more than either I or my husband had ever learned in church.
@@jannaswanson271 I live in Iowa too, and have same problem. If there is a God church, one has to travel to get to it. I cat afford a vehicle, so I'm stuck within walking distance. That really limits my options. But I pray and study at home. God bless 🙌
Whenever I had some disagreement with my pastor, I would always approach him in private after the service with a “little question”. He would either point to something I had overlooked or I was proven to be in the right. Either way, I caused no divisions in the church. If someone just happened to see me talking to the pastor and asked what that discussion was all about, I would say that I had a question for the pastor and he correctly addressed it.
I'm sorry but if your pastor is not putting God first, praying, seeking, diving deep into the Word of God, then he will grow tired and won't see the fruit that should be growing in his sheep. Get out of the world and get into the Word of God!
Even Jesus got frustrated.
Should expect our pastor to be any different?
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Lol yes Jesus got frustrated at our unbelief but never once did He pray to God and say, well I'm done with these people. Come on.
It is not just the pastor that should be putting God's word first. We are called to pray, seek God's will and dive deep into His word. It's not the pastor's job to have a relationship with the Lord for you.
Timothy was not called to be the pastor of the churches he went to. Instead, Paul instructed Timothy on how to identify leaders from within the existing congregation.
Much of what we think about the role of the pastor/elder is not Biblical, but American churchanity.
If we want to be Biblical, the teaching elder should dedicate himself to the word and proclaim the word.
Not to do house visits, organize events, or the other responsibilities we throw on them.
@@jmwdaddy3 Are you under a pastor? Would you be where you are without a pastor who was and is putting God first, and praying for you and himself. All i'm saying is if we don't have a pastor who is seeking God night and day, he's not going to be much good to his sheep. I didn't reply to argue with anyone. Just an observation.
If the IT guy is not qualified, he loses his job. If the pastor is not qualified, they continue to preach false doctrine and turn up the music.
As someone who worked in I.T. support for around 10 years, I got a good laugh out of this. To be honest, some of these examples are incorrect, and actually help me empathize with my pastor even more!
Some people do get offended when you ask them simple questions like "How often do you reboot your computer?" They take it as some kind of personal judgement that they don't know how to maintain their equipment or something.
People do compare you to previous support technicians that have worked at the same company, or a current support technician on the same team.
Also, if you're implementing a change that's going to make everyone's life easier in the long run, people absolutely do complain about things not being "the way we've always done it." and will whine, and drag their feet to avoid it if they can.
I never really thought about the fact that pastors deal with that same kind of stuff, more frequently for probably considerably less money and definitely have more "on call" time than most I.T. support technicians. Thank you for finding a fun and lighthearted way to address a serious subject.
Or doing it RIGHT BEFORE the sermon!!!
When Moses was in the desert with a really big herd of whiny Israelites he was going thru the same pastoral burnout. His father in law suggested he appoint some folks to help with the minor complaints so he could concentrate on the big stuff. Moses took that advice and delegated to 70.
Minutes before His ascension Jesus delegated His ministry to twelve fishers of men. Men that he did His best to raise up.
Part of tending a flock is to raise up leadership so the flock is better taken care of and the Pastor can handle the bigger problems. Delegation is a Godly principle that is seldom utilized as it should and the flock doesn't grow.
Uh Todd, nice word on this video. Good job.
Oh hang on it seems the Internet is acting up. Do I have to call the IT pastor at my ISP again? 🙄🤔
If pastors are feeling this way then they are walking in the flesh, not in the Spirit. The Bible never called them to do all the things that they do and most are not teaching the full Scripture.
STOP DOING THIS TO YOUR PASTOR'S
Pastors, stop hurting the Sheep!!
Again, this just makes me love my local church even more! Our pastors are so joyful, so respected and loved. We are like a family, and there is so much joy, so much joy and peace and love that I believe as a body we can weather any storm of persecution together. Love from Steinbach, Canada ❤🇨🇦
IF this is the case for EVERYONE there, and the Pastors actually extend a Hand to those desperately in Need, and walk what they Preach, I would move there asap! Unfortunately, not everyone receives the same treatment as you apparently do.
REMOVE WEAK PASTORS.
A strong Pastor plays
an important role in being
the backbone of neighborhoods.
You can have a strong pastor and a weak church. Guess you haven’t been a Biblical pastor brought up against an unBiblical deacon or elder board.).
Maybe God is calling His men out of the pastorate because churches are not functioning as they should. Churches need to be looking inward for their elders, yes, including the teaching responsibilities.
Maybe the Lord is doing a reset in the churches here in America to wake up congregations that they are the church and everyone has a role and responsibility.
It is totally feasible that God can call a man for a season. Just look at the ministry lengths of some of the prophets.
"For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now, “If the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?” I Peter 4:17-18
Same think with mayors, governor, president, why has it become standard issue for their wives to be busy stewards of positive impact
The House of God is supposed to be different from Man-made positions!