He had a short stint as lecturer in physics in DG Vaishnav college. I feel happy that I was his colleague then. Very soft spoken and has a very nice smile.
No amount of appreciation is adequate enough to recognise the erudition, clarity of presentation or the depth of this Professor's learning. My humble salutation to Prof .❤😊
did this manually, for me and you 3:44 - Outline 4:41 - First Mantra of Kathopanishad 6:56 - Third question of Nachiketa to Yama 12:20 - Clinical's viewpoint on Birth 14:54 - Clinical's/Philosopher's viewpoint on prenatal care 16:41 - Clinical's position on Death 18:03 - Clinical's position today! 18:46 - Caraka's discussion on what happens after death 27:28 - Limitation of perception 32:53 - Interesting discussion by Bhagavatpada 40:03 - What is birth, death, rebirth & incarnation in Vedanta 42:10 - is Atman one/many? What is a good position to take? 44:47 - Some intriguing connected questions 46:44 - What is Karma? What role does it play? 49:35 - Answers to those bothering questions 50:00 - Diversity of Jivas (demans a convincing explanation 50:59 - How to reap benefits? Smile by Bhagavatpada 53:44 - Concluding remarks 1:02:27 - Concluding remarks, part 2 1:06:30 - The End - FAQ begins 1:06:47 - Ayurveda and Vedanta connection and benefits 1:11:44 - In real life how to resolve conflict between material and spiritual tendencies 1:21:01 - Proof of Atman, existing beyond body-mind 1:27:04 - Probability is one of the Karma, but it has something else 1:29:55 - Swami Sarvapriyananda's comments
Yes, India is called punya bhoomi(pious land) or Ved Bhoomi(Land of Vedas). It created many rishis who have realized god within and thus realized the universal order set worth as Vedas. You watching this video itself says you are blessed and you are on the right path of spirituality. Don't wish for rebirth. Wish for moksha or salvation. The thing is we won't get liberation even if we have a desire for achieving it. So the best way is to realize we are not body or mind, We are that neverending consciousness atma or soul. We take birth and die till we see everything as one and become one with reality. Hope you realize your true self in this birth only and become one with Brahman. Om 🙏
Learned professor, for the first time my misconception is cleared that ,Nachiketa's father didn't give away only the useless cow ,but the correct interpretation was ,(as kindly pointed out by you) he didn't give all he had ,although yagna procedure was ,to give away all he had. Grateful for clearing that misconception which portrayed the Rishi as a miser ( although he was not). My heartfelt pranam to you.
Giving away all at the end of a yajna by the host is not unique by Nachiketas father Pl read the fourth sarga of Raghuvamsam by Kalidasa. There also the king Raghu donated all at the end of the sacrifice
As always a delight to hear Dr.Ramsubramanian and Swami Sarvapriyananda. The question posed on probability vs karma was so gracefully answered by the Professor and subtly reemphasized by Swamiji when he concluded that both of their maturity and grace to provide answers in a non intrusive respectful manner is something I will carry with me. I pondered over that thought probability vs. karma. Two thoughts emerged: 1. By accepting probability over karma it appears that possibility does exist. On analysis what is discovered is by giving 'chance' more value we remove the 'astitva' that runs as an undercurrent in this Creation. By removing that 'astitva' we negate our own 'astitva' which is THE KEY. This was subtly pointed out by both the Professor in his lecture and Swamiji towards the end when he said Manhattans have plenty of intellectuals who like to float without concluding. Probability /chance is a great intellectual talk but when life hits us personally, karma helps alleviate a troubled mind. 2. Second thought that emerged was, ok, agree probability/chance/luck might have played a part. Now, what is chance/luck? Why only luck/chance worked for Bill Gates and not others in his class? Is there another variable that came into play for Bill Gates? Could samskArA fit that gap?
What Dr Ramasubramanian is explaining through Vedanta is not the whole and it is only just a fragment of the first layer of truth. Things go very deep beyond one's comprehension. Your first question clearly shows how superficial this whole session is because it is not a matter of whether one accept Karma over probability or vice versa. It is just an intellectual session which is of no use to oneself once they leave this session. Very superficial indeed. He didn't explain what Karma is and how it is formed in the first place. He simply diluted by including Sushma sarira which he has read already that too not remembering what all those ingrediants are and Jiva, Param etc . Its just a read information which doesn't do justice to him in the first place. Its not in his experience and he didn't ponder that much. KARMA Lets first discuss about Karma. This can be approached in many different ways. Karma is nothing but Newton's third law of motion in a gross sense. Its there to maintain the overall balance. The concept of Karma applies whenever one, self identifies their actions with themselves ( doing & doer). If there is no self identification then there is no new karma. But without any self identification one cannot do any action / reaction is the case for majority of people in this world. That's because the act of self identification happens through ones own mind. Karma can be further categorized as Sanjitham, Prabtham and Agaamiyam. Sanjitham means sum total karmas yet to be realized from the very first incarnation till now of the soul. Prabtham means out of Sanjitham some quantities of good and bad karmas are taken for that soul to experience in this life time. Because one can't experience all the Sanjitham in a single life time. It will be too much to bear. Agaamiyam means new karmas being created in this life time of that same soul. This is how the karmic cycle operates. For a soul to attain liberation all these three karmas need to be nill. Then only physical (stulam), subtle (shusmam) and causal (karanam) bodies get dissolved. That's not an easy task. Till then the birth and death continues in different realms. Yes, for the realized Souls there is no new Karma. But what about the old karmas which are yet to be unfolded? They've to wait till all the Prabtham and Sanjitham to dissolve. Till then they will have to be in this human body in this world. This is true for a Jnani too. They have free will and can choose to do whatever they want up to a certain extent. That free will can't contradict with the universal laws which are there to maintain the universal karmic functionality. For example, if one has full free will do you think they can dissolve all persons' karma and vanish them? Even though they are capable, universal laws won't allow that to happen. There are so many different beings (hierarchy - different frequencies) between a human till the absolute Brahman. Then the higher beings and Gods would've done that before. Then there won't be any creation existing. This applies to everyone but absolute Brahman. Even God's incarnate in human form is subject to Karma. They can't escape from it. So the free will, will be used in certain constrains and in very rare occasions only. It can't be misused. 99% they won't show they have and won't use it If they use it then new karma is created and they need to work for it. Not many are ready for that. No one can understand karma's functionality in its entirety. It is very, very deep. Actually, the realized beings seldom use their free will because they very well know the implications of Karma and will normally align with karmic's flow than anyone else and won't disturb it. You can observe this in their lifestyle. If subject to Karma how do you expect one to decide 'consciously and harmony with the soul'? Mind is the field in which Karma is being implemented. Without mind no new karma. Nine planets are responsible for that implementation. That's the reason in astrology they study about these planets. It doesn't matter whether its Sattvic or Rajas. Sattvic being a positive attribute is subject to Karma. To attain nirvana one needs to sacrifice sattvic too. Free will is a BIG DELUSION which is the play of Maya. This whole creation is also Maya's play. Just one thought is enough to bring one down. You can assume or believe that you've free will according to your level of progress. That's up to you. Similarly, almost everyone thinks that they have free will. EGO That is an enormous force which binds all the atoms of our body together. It is needed for one to have this human body if not it will simply disintegrate. It has its own need and hence its created. Without ego no human body and self rea lization is possible. MIND Almost all the actions we do in this world only strengthens our minds. A new born baby doesn't have a mind on its own which you can see from its eyes. Its eyes are so pure and that attracts us to it. (There is a proverb 'Face is the index of the mind.' Actually face is not the index, its the eyes that are the indices of the Self.) Only opposite poles anract each other. We do have our own minds and no mind attracts us. In simple terms mind is nothing but a collection of our thoughts. Thoughts are nothing but our past. All our expectation / desire / longings are in future (which we don't have right now only we desire or long for). The moment you start thinking you are in the past and the moment you start desiring you are in future. But we have only been taught how to think and desire from our childhood and nothing else. We don't have any other tool with us from this society. This applies to every part of the globe. Fortunately or unfortunately life happens HERE and NOW. But we are not here and now. Might have been in few instances but not on our own. We are either in our thought or in our desire in a given point in time. Means we always miss this moment which means this very life itself. By this, all our beliefs are mere substitutes and are not true. If you have a direct encounter then there is nothing to believe about. But we only have beliefs about everything in this world. Absence creates this belief system and presence dissolves it. Presence means being present in now. This belief system is THE MATRIX / MAYA / ILLUSION, ... and the presence is AWARENESS. Mind is always either in past or in future and it cannot survive in the present. That's its survival mechanism. Mind is a tool given to us to use in a need but now it is only using us. So no choice is possible to an individual.
Yes yes Professor. The samskara created during impressionable age is the main driving force which decides the choice of oneself during later stages of life . Pranam 🙏 🙏.
@@thyagarajant.r.3256 true ,but unfortunately most of us,the parents, are not properly equipped to train them ,as,we lack that thing ourselves, hence ,children easily catch out the hollowness of our preaching.
@@bhattacharya6774 Even if you train them they may not be receptive because of Mahamaya or prarabdha karma Remember this .Mahatma Gandhi's eldest son was a useless. one and gave a lot of headache to him and he was used by the Muslim eague for their propaganda
I was extremely blessed and lucky to sit and gain gems of knowledge ,in his entire course and lecture at IIT Bombay. A great human and such a humble professor he is. My sashtanga pranam to him. 😇😇
Very very convincing talk on a complex subject by an authority/ scholar of vedanta Prof Ramsubramaiyma.I simply bow my head with reverence to the Great saint.
I submit my thanks and gratitude to all who made possible to get the opportunity. Both of them are highly knowledgeable, jeniune and well trained who have invested their life.
First time I am seeing ramasubramanian speech really super iam proud of to tell same school we studied he is senior three years lovely subject god bless him
Sir, I am blessed to watch this video, all my doubts that were haunting me have been cleared. You could convey difficult concepts, very clearly . Thank you so much.
This is like drinking a drop of water from the ocean of knowledge. Yearn to have more of it. Thanks professor. Feel blessed to listen to the beautiful discourse. Glad that I might have done some good karma to be a part.🙏
Speech gave excellent insight to intricate information about philosophy of our dharma. Thanks a lot to Sir for his in-depth knowledge in vedanta philosophy.
It is very rich presentation by Sir Prof. K. Ramasubramanian on a subject not even known to the gods combining the Sruties and the Smrities with later priod Samhitas under G20.
Westren style of living has been adopted by 90% of society ,and even learning sanskrit language Study vedanta very hard subject to crack. Because these studies High intellectuals hard work. Our govt should incorporate these studies in regular acadamic very helpful for furture generation learn Right way of leading life.
Professor you are divine. Your answer that probability is also acceptable is testament to the glory of indic philosophy. In the big circle of Atman all is absorbed with love ! Experience and critical thinking is key
My father died,hours later I played with his face and his heart started but remained in a comatose state,hours later he heard that his best loved son was coming to see him then suddenly he was startled and tried to stand up but failed; however he lived for 21 days then truly died.
Most Indians are not even aware of Vedanta philosophy. Try asking 10 Indians in the street Kolkata, Mumbai, or Delhi, they will know that term Vedanta, but have no clue about the deep principles.
@@VedJoshi.. Brought your Birth Based N0nsense here ?? Its good to see America taking early actions against Brahmins bringing the T0xic Indian Birth caste System into US. After sp0iling India, now the turn of US ?
Swamiji himself once said : Vedanta is not for everyone. Its need a lot of knowledge and self realization to say only Brahman is the ultimate reality and all other else are false.
@@VedJoshi.. One life and live it to the fullest. No sluggish n0nsense. This is what created the F00lish caste System which stratified people and bounded them to chains by damning them as lower births. The very purpose of life is to make people Philosophical. If we can turn people into Engineers and Doctors why cannot we make people Philosophical ?? Just that we need infrastructures and teachers. Effort of teh society should be towards this end. And how did you come to know about Multiple lives - Blind belief ??
The cause of birth in spirituality and pious family becomes foundation of a child. Parents are like living university where child learns automatically watching the behaviour of parent with child. That’s known as Sansakar. Upto age of 10, children grasping power is most powerful. What one can saw in conscious of children upto age of 10 becomes a growth in life. Upto the age of 4 months, child remember past life and feels that he has been dropped in unknown environments. Slowly and gradually he/She is forgetting past life and becomes conversant with present parents and family. Though I didn’t read what Professor has described in this video but one branch of astrology too can predict about past life.
with our acharya explaining the accepted facts of our वेदांता beliefs and practices which definitely brought satisfation and behavioural correction to live modest and sensible life of happiness and contentment with not getting any authentic answers during our life time in a scientific way we now can now be happier than ever . his explanations are so nice relevant and comparative explanation and relevance to the modern way thinking is very satisfying. our karma has paid us good dividends not in terms of commercial term but the आध्यात्मिक way to elevate and live a life of intense living
In the context of "Sanskara," I believe these individuals are manufacturing machines. I haven't followed all of these rigorous practices myself, but I distinctly recall contemplating the essence of life and developing my own fundamental understanding. Nowadays, I frequently listen to scholars from various religions, prominent philosophers, and esteemed scientists. It is through this engagement that I assess how my thoughts or fundamental perception of life may have deviated. I have come to realize that there is virtually no difference at all. The only disparity lies in the scholars' extensive memorization and their use of examples when conveying their ideas. As they do so, the listeners are often amazed by their intelligence, and I, too, marvel at the vast knowledge stored in their minds. However, I don't possess the same ability. Despite this, I have observed that to comprehend life as it truly is and lead a virtuous and respectable existence, humans don't necessarily need to read numerous books or solely rely on those gifted with exceptional memorization skills. Instead, one can simply pose fundamental questions to themselves, and the answers will reveal themselves. The truth is, while you may obtain the answers, applying them to our daily lives is exceedingly challenging. I have been struggling with this aspect myself. There are countless combinations in which we can lose our way, and consistently staying on the right path is quite arduous. Nonetheless, I manage to live a fair and content life. Undoubtedly, I experience stress, anger, and a range of other emotions, just like everyone else. Yet, in the end, I am able to set aside these emotions and appreciate life as it is. Personally, I believe that teaching children specific ideologies from an early age can detrimentally affect their lives. They may start believing that the Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis, and Srutis, or any other guidance, are the sole directives for life. My personal belief is that no one should become overly attached to anything-no books, no material possessions, and no human beings. Instead, we should remain connected to them and move with the natural flow of life. That, in itself, is sufficient.
Nice explanations by Prof. K Rama about "Karma" as mentioned in Vedanta. I wouldn't have grabbed that term better than this. Law of Cause and effect. An additional viewpoint from my side is that Karma can be seen as an aggregated accumulation of all behaviors, characteristics (like Sub-quantum information) gathered by Atman from previous lives till this point + any characteristic transformation, good or bad habits of the present, ongoing birth in the living individual.
Immanent Athma is beyond space and time and cannot "gather" anything. Even though the experiencer of everything, athma is NOT the doer of anything. Only 3 gunas of intelligent energy or Shakthi control matter. Reincarnation happens only if wrong assumption is made (due to ignorance and ahamkara) that we are mind and body and the doer of everything. It leads to accumulation of memories, likes/dislikes in the subtle body Chitta. CHAPTER 13 VERSE 21 (The experiencer of the field) purushaha prakritistho hi bhungkte prakritijaangunaan | kaaranam gunasangosya sadasadyonijanmasu || 21 ||
Purusha, when seated in Prakriti, experiences the qualities born of Prakriti. Attachment to these qualities is the cause of his re-birth in good and evil wombs. CHAPTER 5 VERSE 8 (ATHMA IS NOT THE DOER) naiva kiṁ cit karomīti yukto manyeta tattvavit paśyañ śṛṇvan spṛśañ jighrann aśnan gacchan svapañ śvasan While seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, walking, sleeping, and breathing, one who knows these yogic truths, their manas steady in yoga, says, “I am not the doer of these actions.” Chapter 14 verse 10 ( 3 gunas compete to control the matter) rajas tamaś cābhibhūya sattvaṁ bhavati bhārata rajaḥ sattvaṁ tamaś caiva tamaḥ sattvaṁ rajas tathā O Arjuna, from moment to moment, these three gunas are competing to control matter. Sometimes sattva suppresses rajas and tamas; sometimes rajas controls sattva and tamas; and at other times, tamas overwhelms both rajas and sattva.
@@indianmilitary When i used word "gathered" (Gruhitvam) in the context of Jivatma, all i meant is that Brahman itself carries impressions of subquantum information (of memory, of innate behavior of underlying living being). There's no other thing than Brahman, the consciousness. But, on level of Jivatma, things look bit different. Here's what Bhagvat Gita says (and I fully concur with this both rationally and technically): Adhyay 15, Shlok 8: शरीरं यद्वाप्नोति यच्चप्युत्क्रमतीश्वर: | गृहीत्वैतानि संयाति वायुर्गन्धनिवासयत् || 8|| As the air carries fragrance from place to place, so does the embodied soul carry the mind and senses with it, when it leaves an old body and enters a new one.
Humble Pranaam ! Atman is like a guest stays in Guest House , the Body , we accept with out other thoughts Is it possible for the Guest to go out and teturn back to the Guest house . it was mentioned that Sree Ramakrishna and Vivekananda during their Deep Meditation , able to take away from the body and return back as they wish . Requesting your valuable reply. Namaskaram !!
Pl don't confuse between Atman and subtle body That which goes out and returns is only the latter also called sookshma sareeram in skt If Atman is the district collector the subtle body is a bill collector
As the Prof and Swami Sarvapriyananda mentioned precritical age for learning, a thought occurred in me that the Brahma Muhurtam is a similar precritical time of the day to do sadhana
I have a question sir If one Consciousness fill up everywhere then why we as human beings can feel , perceive and why table chair or other non living objects can't perceive though those object are also fill up by consciousness....if we can feel for subtle body then how this subtle body generates ?
🙏 you should refer to the Sandharbhas for an easier and more direct explanation of this subject both from prtaksha paramana and other paramana also. In particular to Tattva Sandharbha.
With due respect to his knowledge, I was trying to understand the “karma theory being a hypothesis”. I don’t know Samskrtam neither do I have exposure to many many concepts he spoke about. However I have read Mahabharata where in lot of references are there for karma theory. Even the birth of dharma devata Yama as Vidhura was due to karma. How could it be a hypothesis only?
That is what the devotees say about their favourite saint or incarnation 2) At Dakshineswar mandir devotees of Gauranga and Divine Mother Kali used to fight and Ramakrishna enjoyed the funsmilingly!!
11.42..knowledge will give eternal freedom..yes,nothing can liberate someone@whatever efforts whatever one puts in doing good karma in a birth,all d efforts r meaningless actually..only universal knowledge can liberate someone..💯
There is subtle cat-mouse in "critical thinking" with firm grounding base. This base sometimes becomes "faith", "belief" that some intellect fall back. (as swamy mentioned in the end)
Sir could have taken the context of talk to different level. Karma destroys karma as Sankara bhagavatpata says, Cause being high, effect being low in Mundaka upanishad
Sorry to make mention of one book “ Vedanuvachan” to know about rebirth process after death. I bought from Choukhamba publication of Delhi. I gave some friend but he didn’t return to me.
Hare krisn professor sir I saw and experienced many miracles.hope it all happened to have great assurance in Bhagavan krisn . Jai jai krisn Radhay krisn.
Being aware of sufferings itself .. not reacting to sufferings.. it's best to accept sufferings. Not even enlightened people can decrease 'bodily' sufferings but they cud ignore n not pay attention.thats why we ordinary people seek solutions in our Agnana.
Some .ust go to main line education systems ..leaving in the hoary past sanskrit flourished in thousands of places in millions of homes and new intrepations were easily found and transmitted
But how would explain a child and parents whose outer conditions are such that though they want to but are unable to create positive impressions and see their child going in bad company in front of their eyes.
He had a short stint as lecturer in physics in DG Vaishnav college. I feel happy that I was his colleague then. Very soft spoken and has a very nice smile.
No amount of appreciation is adequate enough to recognise the erudition, clarity of presentation or the depth of this Professor's learning.
My humble salutation to Prof .❤😊
My salutes to esteemed Professor
did this manually, for me and you
3:44 - Outline
4:41 - First Mantra of Kathopanishad
6:56 - Third question of Nachiketa to Yama
12:20 - Clinical's viewpoint on Birth
14:54 - Clinical's/Philosopher's viewpoint on prenatal care
16:41 - Clinical's position on Death
18:03 - Clinical's position today!
18:46 - Caraka's discussion on what happens after death
27:28 - Limitation of perception
32:53 - Interesting discussion by Bhagavatpada
40:03 - What is birth, death, rebirth & incarnation in Vedanta
42:10 - is Atman one/many? What is a good position to take?
44:47 - Some intriguing connected questions
46:44 - What is Karma? What role does it play?
49:35 - Answers to those bothering questions
50:00 - Diversity of Jivas (demans a convincing explanation
50:59 - How to reap benefits? Smile by Bhagavatpada
53:44 - Concluding remarks
1:02:27 - Concluding remarks, part 2
1:06:30 - The End - FAQ begins
1:06:47 - Ayurveda and Vedanta connection and benefits
1:11:44 - In real life how to resolve conflict between material and spiritual tendencies
1:21:01 - Proof of Atman, existing beyond body-mind
1:27:04 - Probability is one of the Karma, but it has something else
1:29:55 - Swami Sarvapriyananda's comments
Sometimes I wish I was born and raised in such a naturally spiritual place as India. The culture seems to produce many enlightened ones
Yes, India is called punya bhoomi(pious land) or Ved Bhoomi(Land of Vedas). It created many rishis who have realized god within and thus realized the universal order set worth as Vedas.
You watching this video itself says you are blessed and you are on the right path of spirituality.
Don't wish for rebirth. Wish for moksha or salvation. The thing is we won't get liberation even if we have a desire for achieving it. So the best way is to realize we are not body or mind, We are that neverending consciousness atma or soul. We take birth and die till we see everything as one and become one with reality.
Hope you realize your true self in this birth only and become one with Brahman. Om 🙏
@@foodpostive1401swami Vivekananda has stated that he wants to be born as an American girl So what do you say?!
Never too late. Go across for a few days. I am told Varanasi can do things for your spiritual uplift that not many other places can match.
@@foodpostive1401yes India in cl,Pak and Bangladesh also!perhaps srilanka too 2) puranas use the word bharatavarsam and not india
Swami Vivekananda wished to be born as an American Woman (note: of then America not current America's woman)
I attended Prof. K. Rama's course on ancient mathematics in India at IIT Bombay. He is a brilliant and humble personality.
Yatha pitha tatha putra: . Salutations to both
So proud to say that he was my classmate.
Gr8 to know. How lucky you are
❤ lucky are the ones who comes in touch with this knowledge through grace
Superb. The whole world should watch repeatedly and understand. 🙏🙏🙏
Such a blessing to hear Shri Ramasubramanian ji @Vedanta Society NY..thanks to Swamiji for such a nice session! 🙏🏽
Loved his talk. Educative entertaining n exciting
A man of deep knowledge n yet so humble. God bless him
I have seen this enlightened person at his sister's home in Bangalore,great vedanti ,but si humble....
Of course the one understands life, everything has been given not earned.. Will stay humble. The More wiser .., humbler they will be
Learned professor, for the first time my misconception is cleared that ,Nachiketa's father didn't give away only the useless cow ,but the correct interpretation was ,(as kindly pointed out by you) he didn't give all he had ,although yagna procedure was ,to give away all he had.
Grateful for clearing that misconception which portrayed the Rishi as a miser ( although he was not).
My heartfelt pranam to you.
"he didn't give all he had" do you want to say he gave all he had? I think he gave all he had because that's what yangya meant to be.
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Giving away all at the end of a yajna by the host is not unique by Nachiketas father Pl read the fourth sarga of Raghuvamsam by Kalidasa. There also the king Raghu donated all at the end of the sacrifice
Outstanding, in one word. A scholar par excellence. Down to earth. Had the opportunity to have a short interaction with him yesterday.🙏
Delighted to see my beloved professor here 💖
Dear Sri Ramasubramanian ji , We got a glimpse of such a Complex subject because of the way you explained. Thanks Sir
A great Indic scholar and an excellent Indian teacher in the line of the ancient sages of India.
As always a delight to hear Dr.Ramsubramanian and Swami Sarvapriyananda. The question posed on probability vs karma was so gracefully answered by the Professor and subtly reemphasized by Swamiji when he concluded that both of their maturity and grace to provide answers in a non intrusive respectful manner is something I will carry with me.
I pondered over that thought probability vs. karma. Two thoughts emerged:
1. By accepting probability over karma it appears that possibility does exist. On analysis what is discovered is by giving 'chance' more value we remove the 'astitva' that runs as an undercurrent in this Creation. By removing that 'astitva' we negate our own 'astitva' which is THE KEY. This was subtly pointed out by both the Professor in his lecture and Swamiji towards the end when he said Manhattans have plenty of intellectuals who like to float without concluding. Probability /chance is a great intellectual talk but when life hits us personally, karma helps alleviate a troubled mind.
2. Second thought that emerged was, ok, agree probability/chance/luck might have played a part. Now, what is chance/luck? Why only luck/chance worked for Bill Gates and not others in his class? Is there another variable that came into play for Bill Gates? Could samskArA fit that gap?
What Dr Ramasubramanian is explaining through Vedanta is not the whole and it is only just a fragment of the first layer of truth. Things go very deep beyond one's comprehension.
Your first question clearly shows how superficial this whole session is because it is not a matter of whether one accept Karma over probability or vice versa. It is just an intellectual session which is of no use to oneself once they leave this session. Very superficial indeed. He didn't explain what Karma is and how it is formed in the first place. He simply diluted by including Sushma sarira which he has read already that too not remembering what all those ingrediants are and Jiva, Param etc . Its just a read information which doesn't do justice to him in the first place. Its not in his experience and he didn't ponder that much.
KARMA
Lets first discuss about Karma. This can be approached in many different ways. Karma is nothing but Newton's third law of motion in a gross sense. Its there to maintain the overall balance. The concept of Karma applies whenever one, self identifies their actions with themselves ( doing & doer). If there is no self identification then there is no new karma. But without any self identification one cannot do any action / reaction is the case for majority of people in this world. That's because the act of self identification happens through ones own mind.
Karma can be further categorized as Sanjitham, Prabtham and Agaamiyam. Sanjitham means sum total karmas yet to be realized from the very first incarnation till now of the soul. Prabtham means out of Sanjitham some quantities of good and bad karmas are taken for that soul to experience in this life time. Because one can't experience all the Sanjitham in a single life time. It will be too much to bear. Agaamiyam means new karmas being created in this life time of that same soul. This is how the karmic cycle operates. For a soul to attain liberation all these three karmas need to be nill. Then only physical (stulam), subtle (shusmam) and causal (karanam) bodies get dissolved. That's not an easy task. Till then the birth and death continues in different realms. Yes, for the realized Souls there is no new Karma. But what about the old karmas which are yet to be unfolded? They've to wait till all the Prabtham and Sanjitham to dissolve. Till then they will have to be in this human body in this world. This is true for a Jnani too. They have free will and can choose to do whatever they want up to a certain extent. That free will can't contradict with the universal laws which are there to maintain the universal karmic functionality. For example, if one has full free will do you think they can dissolve all persons' karma and vanish them? Even though they are capable, universal laws won't allow that to happen. There are so many different beings (hierarchy - different frequencies) between a human till the absolute Brahman. Then the higher beings and Gods would've done that before. Then there won't be any creation existing. This applies to everyone but absolute Brahman. Even God's incarnate in human form is subject to Karma. They can't escape from it. So the free will, will be used in certain constrains and in very rare occasions only. It can't be misused. 99% they won't show they have and won't use it If they use it then new karma is created and they need to work for it. Not many are ready for that. No one can understand karma's functionality in its entirety. It is very, very deep. Actually, the realized beings seldom use their free will because they very well know the implications of Karma and will normally align with karmic's flow than anyone else and won't disturb it. You can observe this in their lifestyle.
If subject to Karma how do you expect one to decide 'consciously and harmony with the soul'? Mind is the field in which Karma is being implemented. Without mind no new karma. Nine planets are responsible for that implementation. That's the reason in astrology they study about these planets. It doesn't matter whether its Sattvic or Rajas. Sattvic being a positive attribute is subject to Karma. To attain nirvana one needs to sacrifice sattvic too. Free will is a BIG DELUSION which is the play of Maya. This whole creation is also Maya's play. Just one thought is enough to bring one down. You can assume or believe that you've free will according to your level of progress. That's up to you. Similarly, almost everyone thinks that they have free will.
EGO
That is an enormous force which binds all the atoms of our body together. It is needed for one to have this human body if not it will simply disintegrate. It has its own need and hence its created. Without ego no human body and self rea lization is possible.
MIND
Almost all the actions we do in this world only strengthens our minds. A new born baby doesn't have a mind on its own which you can see from its eyes. Its eyes are so pure and that attracts us to it. (There is a proverb 'Face is the index of the mind.' Actually face is not the index, its the eyes that are the indices of the Self.) Only opposite poles anract each other. We do have our own minds and no mind attracts us. In simple terms mind is nothing but a collection of our thoughts. Thoughts are nothing but our past. All our expectation / desire / longings are in future (which we don't have right now only we desire or long for). The moment you start thinking you are in the past and the moment you start desiring you are in future. But we have only been taught how to think and desire from our childhood and nothing else. We don't have any other tool with us from this society. This applies to every part of the globe. Fortunately or unfortunately life happens HERE and NOW. But we are not here and now. Might have been in few instances but not on our own. We are either in our thought or in our desire in a given point in time. Means we always miss this moment which means this very life itself. By this, all our beliefs are mere substitutes and are not true. If you have a direct encounter then there is nothing to believe about. But we only have beliefs about everything in this world. Absence creates this belief system and presence dissolves it. Presence means being present in now. This belief system is THE MATRIX / MAYA / ILLUSION, ... and the presence is AWARENESS. Mind is always either in past or in future and it cannot survive in the present. That's its survival mechanism. Mind is a tool given to us to use in a need but now it is only using us. So no choice is possible to an individual.
Yes yes Professor.
The samskara created during impressionable age is the main driving force which decides the choice of oneself during later stages of life .
Pranam 🙏 🙏.
That is where the duty of the parents comes
@@thyagarajant.r.3256 true ,but unfortunately most of us,the parents, are not properly equipped to train them ,as,we lack that thing ourselves, hence ,children easily catch out the hollowness of our preaching.
@@bhattacharya6774 Even if you train them they may not be receptive because of Mahamaya or prarabdha karma Remember this .Mahatma Gandhi's eldest son was a useless. one and gave a lot of headache to him and he was used by the Muslim eague for their propaganda
Enjoyed listening to you and the clarity you brought to this topic, Prof. K. Ramasubramanian
Swami Maharaj. I am grateful for arranging this talk . I find the e-Satsang with you a blessing in this life. Thank you.
What a brilliant talk!! Watched it 3 times already and I look forward to listening again (and again). So much to learn 🙏. Thank you Professor 🙏
i watch 7 time still can't understand
Same here
I was extremely blessed and lucky to sit and gain gems of knowledge ,in his entire course and lecture at IIT Bombay. A great human and such a humble professor he is. My sashtanga pranam to him.
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Very very convincing talk on a complex subject by an authority/ scholar of vedanta Prof Ramsubramaiyma.I simply bow my head with reverence to the Great saint.
I submit my thanks and gratitude to all who made possible to get the opportunity. Both of them are highly knowledgeable, jeniune and well trained who have invested their life.
So much.... So deep.... Told in so simple way....
Age to get to good things in life of individual too should be by chance... Great video to all 🙏🙏🙏🙏
First time I am seeing ramasubramanian speech really super iam proud of to tell same school we studied he is senior three years lovely subject god bless him
What a beautiful speech! It is clear that Vedanta philosophy is very advanced in explaining human nature and behavior.
Sir, I am blessed to watch this video, all my doubts that were haunting me have been cleared. You could convey difficult concepts, very clearly . Thank you so much.
Truly inspiring and informative. Understanding this will highly support society to live in peace.
This is like drinking a drop of water from the ocean of knowledge. Yearn to have more of it. Thanks professor. Feel blessed to listen to the beautiful discourse. Glad that I might have done some good karma to be a part.🙏
Speech gave excellent insight to intricate information about philosophy of our dharma.
Thanks a lot to Sir for his in-depth knowledge in vedanta philosophy.
Listened to an extremely nice speech Thanks to him and his parents
It is very rich presentation by Sir Prof. K. Ramasubramanian on a subject not even known to the gods combining the Sruties and the Smrities with later priod Samhitas under G20.
Very illuminating and interesting. Clear and thorough
Westren style of living has been adopted by 90% of society ,and even learning sanskrit language
Study vedanta very hard subject to crack. Because these studies
High intellectuals hard work. Our govt should incorporate these studies in regular acadamic very helpful for furture generation learn
Right way of leading life.
So nice and lucid exposition of an intriguing subject. Prof. Tapan k. Ghosh
Professor you are divine. Your answer that probability is also acceptable is testament to the glory of indic philosophy. In the big circle of Atman all is absorbed with love ! Experience and critical thinking is key
I agree with you in entirety
Hey bhagavan,never thought my gurudev would be here.🙏
Very nice satsang...Super explanation...Thank you🌷🌷🌷🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
My father died,hours later I played with his face and his heart started but remained in a comatose state,hours later he heard that his best loved son was coming to see him then suddenly he was startled and tried to stand up but failed; however he lived for 21 days then truly died.
Most Indians are not even aware of Vedanta philosophy. Try asking 10 Indians in the street Kolkata, Mumbai, or Delhi, they will know that term Vedanta, but have no clue about the deep principles.
I don't think they will even know vedanta term buddy in which world do you live. try in any IT park no moron knows
@@VedJoshi.. Brought your Birth Based N0nsense here ??
Its good to see America taking early actions against Brahmins bringing the T0xic Indian Birth caste System into US. After sp0iling India, now the turn of US ?
Swamiji himself once said : Vedanta is not for everyone. Its need a lot of knowledge and self realization to say only Brahman is the ultimate reality and all other else are false.
@@VedJoshi.. Brought your Birth based N0nsense here ?? When will C0mmon sense dawn upon Indic minds ?
@@VedJoshi.. One life and live it to the fullest. No sluggish n0nsense. This is what created the F00lish caste System which stratified people and bounded them to chains by damning them as lower births. The very purpose of life is to make people Philosophical. If we can turn people into Engineers and Doctors why cannot we make people Philosophical ?? Just that we need infrastructures and teachers. Effort of teh society should be towards this end.
And how did you come to know about Multiple lives - Blind belief ??
Pranam Guruji 🙏 very good lectures.
Excellent lecture with suitable text quoted.pranaams.
Excellent presentation
Great work
Namaste Prof . Rama subramanyam . 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I liked your talk . It’s very interesting & knowledgeable.
Thank you so much.
Hari Om prof.Ramasubrahmanyam.very interesting .combining bio science with philosophical truth.Enjoed listening .
One can notice Tejas in his face, reflecting his simplicity, knowledge and confidence.
Thanks for the wisdom. 🌸🙏🏼
Thank you for this excellent presentation & explanation. Please accept my pranams guruji 🙏🙏🙏
Namaste!🙏 Pronaams!🙏 Namaskaars to all!🙏
Thank you guruji i regret for not getting enough teaching like this my pranam to your parents I regret in 70 of mylife
Pranam
Enjoyed thoroughly
vedanta society - this is amazing..bow down to the knowledge and his way of explanation
इतना सुँदर वरणन इतनी आसान तरीका से यह ईश्र्वर कि कृपा प्राप्त लोग जैसे यह आचार्य जी हैं सँभव हैं
I appreciate your sincere endeavour to take the vedantic msg to far and wide...
very good speech and analysis
Excellent. I am lucky that I ran into this accidentally. Had to complete it full in 1 sitting. Could not do anything else until this video was done.
Same here
I am really honoured to listen to you! But I am curious to know if you were associated with MESKK anytime!
Excellent session 🙏
The cause of birth in spirituality and pious family becomes foundation of a child. Parents are like living university where child learns automatically watching the behaviour of parent with child. That’s known as Sansakar. Upto age of 10, children grasping power is most powerful. What one can saw in conscious of children upto age of 10 becomes a growth in life. Upto the age of 4 months, child remember past life and feels that he has been dropped in unknown environments. Slowly and gradually he/She is forgetting past life and becomes conversant with present parents and family. Though I didn’t read what Professor has described in this video but one branch of astrology too can predict about past life.
Mere speculation and unacceptable generalization
@thyagarajant.r.3256 so what you believe dmk believe in Jesus do it no one is asking you to believe go n believe rotten kalaignar
@@MrShrikumar tks for your compliments May your tribe incr!
What about children born mentally retarded?!
with our acharya explaining the accepted facts of our वेदांता beliefs and practices which definitely brought satisfation and behavioural correction to live modest and sensible life of happiness and contentment with not getting any authentic answers during our life time in a scientific way we now can now be happier than ever .
his explanations are so nice relevant and comparative explanation and relevance to the modern way thinking is very satisfying.
our karma has paid us good dividends not in terms of commercial term but the आध्यात्मिक way to elevate and live a life of intense living
A magnetic discussion 🙏🏼🙏
Thank you sir for sharing such a lecture full of vedantic knowledge to all people🙏🙏
Great exposition....thank you
I wish he would not be giggling throughout his otherwise excellent speech. He is undoubtedly very learned.
Thank you for this wonderful presentation.
Sheer brilliance 🤔 the sparks / ques are quite motivating to get into स्वाध्याया no doubt.
" Miracles do happen... " Prof K. Ramasubramaniam.... IIT BOMBAY
Miracles in our gross plane may not be so in the subtle plane
In the context of "Sanskara," I believe these individuals are manufacturing machines. I haven't followed all of these rigorous practices myself, but I distinctly recall contemplating the essence of life and developing my own fundamental understanding. Nowadays, I frequently listen to scholars from various religions, prominent philosophers, and esteemed scientists. It is through this engagement that I assess how my thoughts or fundamental perception of life may have deviated. I have come to realize that there is virtually no difference at all. The only disparity lies in the scholars' extensive memorization and their use of examples when conveying their ideas. As they do so, the listeners are often amazed by their intelligence, and I, too, marvel at the vast knowledge stored in their minds. However, I don't possess the same ability. Despite this, I have observed that to comprehend life as it truly is and lead a virtuous and respectable existence, humans don't necessarily need to read numerous books or solely rely on those gifted with exceptional memorization skills. Instead, one can simply pose fundamental questions to themselves, and the answers will reveal themselves. The truth is, while you may obtain the answers, applying them to our daily lives is exceedingly challenging. I have been struggling with this aspect myself. There are countless combinations in which we can lose our way, and consistently staying on the right path is quite arduous. Nonetheless, I manage to live a fair and content life. Undoubtedly, I experience stress, anger, and a range of other emotions, just like everyone else. Yet, in the end, I am able to set aside these emotions and appreciate life as it is. Personally, I believe that teaching children specific ideologies from an early age can detrimentally affect their lives. They may start believing that the Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis, and Srutis, or any other guidance, are the sole directives for life. My personal belief is that no one should become overly attached to anything-no books, no material possessions, and no human beings. Instead, we should remain connected to them and move with the natural flow of life. That, in itself, is sufficient.
All religious people should listen to this knowledge so that several misconception will go off.
Nice explanations by Prof. K Rama about "Karma" as mentioned in Vedanta. I wouldn't have grabbed that term better than this. Law of Cause and effect. An additional viewpoint from my side is that Karma can be seen as an aggregated accumulation of all behaviors, characteristics (like Sub-quantum information) gathered by Atman from previous lives till this point + any characteristic transformation, good or bad habits of the present, ongoing birth in the living individual.
Immanent Athma is beyond space and time and cannot "gather" anything. Even though the experiencer of everything, athma is NOT the doer of anything. Only 3 gunas of intelligent energy or Shakthi control matter. Reincarnation happens only if wrong assumption is made (due to ignorance and ahamkara) that we are mind and body and the doer of everything. It leads to accumulation of memories, likes/dislikes in the subtle body Chitta.
CHAPTER 13 VERSE 21 (The experiencer of the field)
purushaha prakritistho hi bhungkte prakritijaangunaan |
kaaranam gunasangosya sadasadyonijanmasu || 21 ||
Purusha, when seated in Prakriti, experiences the qualities born of Prakriti. Attachment to these qualities is the cause of his re-birth in good and evil wombs.
CHAPTER 5 VERSE 8 (ATHMA IS NOT THE DOER)
naiva kiṁ cit karomīti yukto manyeta tattvavit paśyañ śṛṇvan spṛśañ jighrann aśnan gacchan svapañ śvasan
While seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, walking, sleeping, and breathing, one who knows these yogic truths, their manas steady in yoga, says, “I am not the doer of these actions.”
Chapter 14 verse 10 ( 3 gunas compete to control the matter)
rajas tamaś cābhibhūya sattvaṁ bhavati bhārata rajaḥ sattvaṁ tamaś caiva tamaḥ sattvaṁ rajas tathā
O Arjuna, from moment to moment, these three gunas are competing to control matter. Sometimes sattva suppresses rajas and tamas; sometimes rajas controls sattva and tamas; and at other times, tamas overwhelms both rajas and sattva.
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When i used word "gathered" (Gruhitvam) in the context of Jivatma, all i meant is that Brahman itself carries impressions of subquantum information (of memory, of innate behavior of underlying living being). There's no other thing than Brahman, the consciousness. But, on level of Jivatma, things look bit different.
Here's what Bhagvat Gita says (and I fully concur with this both rationally and technically):
Adhyay 15, Shlok 8:
शरीरं यद्वाप्नोति यच्चप्युत्क्रमतीश्वर: |
गृहीत्वैतानि संयाति वायुर्गन्धनिवासयत् || 8||
As the air carries fragrance from place to place, so does the embodied soul carry the mind and senses with it, when it leaves an old body and enters a new one.
Humble Pranaam ! Atman is like a guest stays in Guest House , the Body , we accept with out other thoughts
Is it possible for the Guest to go out and teturn back to the Guest house . it was mentioned that Sree Ramakrishna and Vivekananda during their Deep Meditation , able to take away from the body and return back as they wish . Requesting your valuable reply. Namaskaram !!
Atma is all pervading , where can it go?
Pl don't confuse between Atman and subtle body That which goes out and returns is only the latter also called sookshma sareeram in skt If Atman is the district collector the subtle body is a bill collector
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@@rameshganesan138pl elaborate
As the Prof and Swami Sarvapriyananda mentioned precritical age for learning, a thought occurred in me that the Brahma Muhurtam is a similar precritical time of the day to do sadhana
🙏🏼Jai Sri Ramakrishna 🌷
Swamiji 🙏. Professer ramasubramhayam sir thank you🙏
I have a question sir If one Consciousness fill up everywhere then why we as human beings can feel , perceive and why table chair or other non living objects can't perceive though those object are also fill up by consciousness....if we can feel for subtle body then how this subtle body generates ?
Thanks so much
Prof. K. Ramasubramanian pl explain Agamapramana last side
adbhutam 😇
🙏 you should refer to the Sandharbhas for an easier and more direct explanation of this subject both from prtaksha paramana and other paramana also. In particular to Tattva Sandharbha.
Can you please share the PPT used by Professor if available
With due respect to his knowledge, I was trying to understand the “karma theory being a hypothesis”. I don’t know Samskrtam neither do I have exposure to many many concepts he spoke about. However I have read Mahabharata where in lot of references are there for karma theory. Even the birth of dharma devata Yama as Vidhura was due to karma. How could it be a hypothesis only?
Even if we have little wish to know about krisn He will lead us towards his whole. Jai jai krisn Radhay krisn.
Thank you very much .Namaskaram Prof.ji
Even if we are fallen soul still Bhagwan Sri krisn chaitanya mahaprabhu to provide moksha to be with him. have faith jai jai krisn Radhay krisn
That is what the devotees say about their favourite saint or incarnation 2) At Dakshineswar mandir devotees of Gauranga and Divine Mother Kali used to fight and Ramakrishna enjoyed the funsmilingly!!
May I know what your father chanted
11.42..knowledge will give eternal freedom..yes,nothing can liberate someone@whatever efforts whatever one puts in doing good karma in a birth,all d efforts r meaningless actually..only universal knowledge can liberate someone..💯
❤❤Namaskaram Swamiji & Swami Sarvapriyananda.❤❤
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There is subtle cat-mouse in "critical thinking" with firm grounding base. This base sometimes becomes "faith", "belief" that some intellect fall back. (as swamy mentioned in the end)
Great speech
Sir could have taken the context of talk to different level. Karma destroys karma as Sankara bhagavatpata says, Cause being high, effect being low in Mundaka upanishad
🙏grate to listen keep up sir ji🙏
1:12 I think you meant IIT Bombay
Sorry to make mention of one book “ Vedanuvachan” to know about rebirth process after death. I bought from Choukhamba publication of Delhi. I gave some friend but he didn’t return to me.
as a ritual some people clean the floor in temple and request all food served there, and eat.... healthy.
Very similar to Bernardo Kastrup's ideas of analytical idealism
Pranams. Sri Gurubhyo namaha:
Hare krisn professor sir I saw and experienced many miracles.hope it all happened to have great assurance in Bhagavan krisn . Jai jai krisn Radhay krisn.
Wonderful Sir ❤🙏🕉️
really very nice talk thanks
How are we to face the bad karma? Is there any way can we decrease the sufferings?
Being aware of sufferings itself .. not reacting to sufferings.. it's best to accept sufferings. Not even enlightened people can decrease 'bodily' sufferings but they cud ignore n not pay attention.thats why we ordinary people seek solutions in our Agnana.
@@sarangapani949 thank you sir 😊I will try but it’s very hard for me .. Namaskaram to you for explaining vividly
Some .ust go to main line education systems
..leaving in the hoary past sanskrit flourished in thousands of places in millions of homes and new intrepations were easily found and transmitted
But how would explain a child and parents whose outer conditions are such that though they want to but are unable to create positive impressions and see their child going in bad company in front of their eyes.