The invert is a fundamental movement in jiu jitsu... is it bad for you? (Dr Lachlan Giles)
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2020
- Inverting is an important tool for guard retention and various forms of offense. Is it something that should be avoided?
Instructionals and more: lachlangiles.net
Fun fact in Australia that position is actually called closed guard
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The Australia episode from The Simpsons came to mind lol
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Would really love to see more of this stuff doc.
Eg: does jiu jitsu lead to neck injury, how to prevent wearing out vertebrae, how to strengthen neck safely etc.
Great video hope to make it over to Melbourne once this is over.
Do snatch grip high pull. Watch the video by Enkiri Fitness
Wim deputter has some great videos on maintaining healthy spine when facing pressure passing. Really interesting views on doing the triangle, spider guard, using his concept of ‘rock bottom’. He also says stack passing and baiting triangles is his favorite. His mirror principle’s also cool.
If you are 40 plus, it wont kill you to invert, but there are so many other technique options that can have you waking up with less back pain
Inverting can be fine. It's having a 100kg dude trying to smash you as you are inverted that's the problem lol
man, I could listen to Lachlan all day. Love this guy
I've been in mma for over a year and this is the BEST explanation of a granby I've ever heard.
Super informative Lachlan, as are all your videos. Awesome stuff brother! 🙏🏻
This is VERY helpful, thank you! Working on hamstring flexibility with a greater focus now ✅
Thank you for the valuable information. Always relevant.
This is exactly the area I needed help with. Thank you
That was the smoothest invert. Great explanation as usual
Nice job Lachlan. Good info
Good stuff as usual Lachlan!!
Really really good video ! Thanks !
Being proactive with conditioning high risk areas of the body is key.
I've been doing the yoga for BJJ series. Still can't invert, but my mobility is getting better.
Coincidentally very relevant to me. The lockdown had me wanting to get back to BJJ again. I have really tight hamstrings but this motion is needed for granby rolls and some ashi entries. Getting the hamstrings to BJJ working levels is the toughest challenge for me to coming back.
keep at it bro you'll be flexible for sure 💪
Thank you!
Bro you are awesome, thank you Coach !
What a lovely analysis! Excellent. The position you are in we call the "modified plough" (in the Yoga plough, as you know, the legs AND the spine are straight so all the bending is happening at C7); we let everything bend, as you do and for the same reasons: you can control the stretch with your feet). A progression for your fans (assuming they are not as loose as you) to get the required suppleness in the whole back line is achieved by resting the feet on a box or something about a foot high - that way there's no strain on the hamstrings or the lower back or the neck and, by bending more at the knees you can control the depth of the end position perfectly. We also recommend all sorts of small movements laterally and further into flexion but under control to make sure that all the spine becomes supple enough to do what you need it to do. And once the feet are on the floor comfortably, then you can walk the feet left or right behind you and introduce a small rotation dimension which will be felt in the lower back and on the side of the neck as well.
That's all good but try having a 200+lbs black belt smashing you into the ground.
Could you make a video with some stretches that you did in order to work up to that kind of flexibility?
Great video. I like the options of inverted positions. I think we all get to a point where inversion can help your Bjj game. Oss.
I did a lot of inverting as blubelt in my 20s
Not long into my inverted journey i started to develope lower backpain.
I quit inverting and took a few years to get rid of the pain with rehab.
you were probs doing it wrong aye
What kind of rehab
My lower back has been constantly hurting after rolls, sometimes to a point where I can barely stand straight. I need this video so badly. Thank you, this video really helped. Will work my hamstring flexibility to prevent any further injuries.
Buddy, I'd get an X-Ray/MRI for your lower back to see if you've developed a disc problem. Your issue sounds far more serious than your average strain from hard rolls. I know bcz a lot of the blackbelts that I know developed disc problems that went undiagnosed for a long time. Best of luck.
@@anonymousreviewer169 woah.. I didn't think it will get that serious. It usually only happens when I get stacked or play inverts. Will definitely go check it out if it persist. Thanks for the advice man, really appreciate it.
Look up Kelly Starrett and work on your psoas muscle! The front muscles being tight affect the back more than hamstrings
Good points... I always have lower back and neck problems... have to stretch more. I remember your stretching video... not sure if it was in youtube or 50/50 video, but it has helped me with inverting better. I think it was you with some woman.
Thanks Lachlan
thank you, thank you, thank you!
Good stuff!
It seems like unnatural body position that has high risk due to a person stacking and applying pressure. The back/discs is very vulnerable to pressure reason why lots of grapplers have issues.
Pure gold
Perfect video. Been searching for the answer for ages. Cheers legend osss
really cool vid
I actually injured my upper back being stacked while inverting. 4 or 5 throracic vertebrae cracked in an evil version of chiropractice. But i didnt suffer any real damage, just a sore upper back and frozen shoulders for 2 or 3 days.
Wow master
cheers
Lachlan is the Goat
What hamstring stretches would you recommend and how often would you recommend doing them (daily, 4 times a week, etc)?
I have super tight hamstrings and I've done some stretches in the past but was likely going to intense as my lower back started aching for days afterwards. Great video and always great content brother 👍
How is it going
What if somebody HUGE SPRAWLS at just the right (or wrong) moment whilst you're inverting? How much of injury avoidance depends on your opponent's choices rather than your own technique? Inverting seems to expose vulnerabilities in the spine that could get ugly if your opponent is big & clumsy.
very good
So true
Just popped a rib yesterday in class trying to invert out of knee on belly and I get recommended this video 😭😭😭😭
Recuperate In Peace
I never quite healed from a popped rib it's still out of place. I wish the best and hope yours isn't as severe
@@fahmidyboy Does it still give you pain? I'm only 18 years old so I'm fairly young and i hope it heals fast.
@@samhangster It will give you pain for about a month or two at most. My friend got lucky and his rib healed back just fine but with me, things reconnected the wrong way and the rib still flares out a little. Go to your doctor anyway but with me they weren't much help they tried to put me on anti inflammatories and painkillers
Fahmid Ahmed ok thanks man
nah... you dont have to invert if you dont want to... I do NOT invert because of disc issues.
Great vid. Got caught in the stacked position once, not nice.
i just learned i shouldnt be inverting yet although i ve been doing it for a year now. i think the only reason i didnt get injured is my big fat tummy taking the pressure.
When showing the example of touching your toes, you did so with a bent back - I'm wondering your thoughts of that vs the straight back stretch?
If you do it with a straight back you also stretch your hips
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im 5'8" 220lbs, inverting for me is rather problematic for obvious reasons. im just not very flexible, part of the reason why i dont play guard much at all.
Ima answer this before even watching the video. I will say no, simply because ever since I started inverting my back has been feeling better like crazy!
It’s a good way to get a pinched nerve💯💯💯
I did invert in regular floor in my home and got a neck vertebrae protrusion from it (and doing pull ups that evening).
I don't think this'll happen to most other people though.
EDIT: and all that because i'm unflexable af :(
I have pretty decent hamstring mobility (can touch toes and balls of feet on fully straightened legs), but inverting feels super precarious to me. I am in the situation where zero additional ROM in my neck. Structurally, I have a longer torso and shorter legs so I wonder if due to the proportions of my body inverting is just not for me.
Just don't invert against people way bigger than you. I roll completely different against different body types. 🤟
You just need to do the opposite movements to counterbalance it . Bridges, neck extension, reverse hyperextension, scapula retraction and depression
Fundamental movement for sport Jiu jitsu. For self defense Jiu jitsu...
My lower back always says no when I try. 7 years and i've only been able to do it right twice
I’m always worried someone will sprawl and break my neck or back.
Can you do a video on stretching 😃😃😃
My hamstring flexibility has always been abysmal, can't even touch my toes without bending my knee, yet i can put my foot behind my head. Would love to know of a routine that can help.
while this isn't a program. i would suggest laying flat on your back and one leg down flat, then using a belt wrapped around one foot keep that leg straight and pull it up. this will prevent you from being able to bend your back at all, focusing all the stretch on your hamstring
I like using a corner wall. Keep one leg flat and the other leg on the wall.
Best stretches and how often for hamstrings? Thanks!
They did a full stretch routine during quarantine... it should be on the channel
wait is this lachlan giles official yt channel?
I can't hear because my phone's broken, can anyone paraphrase it for me? Olive doing inverts to stretch, hope I'm not hurting myself. Ty, oss.
Tl;DR: Try to get your hamstrings as flexible as possible via stretching to take potential pressure off your neck and back; by being flexible in that way, it will become quite safe to invert without risk of injury.
Also you can turn on captions via the three dots at the top right, in case you didn't know.
Lmao the audacity of coming to a yt video without audio asking for a transcript
And is this useful in a real figth? Please.....
I'm flexible for my size but my stomach is always blocking... Too fat to invert??
i just learned i shouldnt be inverting yet although i ve been doing it for a year now. i think the only reason i didnt get injured is my big fat stomach taking the pressure.
I wouldn't call it fat. I prefer to call it American-sized lol.
@@anonymousreviewer169 hahahah... Agreed...
Someone stacked me like this and hurt my back real bad
Just let them pass your guard if they try to stack you. Don't blame your training partner if your ego causes you to get injured.
Is no one else volume super quiet
dont need to invert
yeah.. i'm still too fat for that move anyway, so.. 🤣🤣
Diet harder then last time
Having that much flexibility in hamstring means you don't squat or deadlift and she don't do these your wrestling sucks..
Plenty of powerlifters who can do the splits both ways. Lookup Jujimufu as an example of a decent powerlifter with flexibility. It is just much harder to achieve when you squat and deadlift heavy, but very much doable.
8 can't put my feet on the ground
Wait. Isn't touching your toes like that bad for your back?!?
Yes its bad. This is how i got my cervical disc herniation
Do these things every day not beyond your movement abillity and i guarantee you 100% that ull get the same result. Some ppl just get it later. Be it after 1y 5y 10y ull get it eventually. Our neck cannot withstand this kind of pressure. Its not made for that
Its better for almost everybody to avoid inverting, but for me they are really comfortable.
Laughs in bboy
For an Australian your accent sounds pretty German.
The invert is terrible for you, no matter how it's done. TBH, you don't need to be good at the invert. You can still be good at Jiu-Jitsu without it period.
Just a completely unnatural movement, luckily I never needed this
What kind of doctor are you?