2024-07-13 Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK: Investigating who am I is the means to just be
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- In a Zoom meeting with the Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK on 13th July 2024, Michael answers various questions about Bhagavan’s teachings.
A clearer audio copy of this video can be listened to on Sri Ramana Teachings podcast (ramanahou.podb...) or downloaded from ramanahou.podb... and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened on the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from www.mediafire....
A clearer audio copy of this video can be listened to on Sri Ramana Teachings podcast (ramanahou.podbean.com) or downloaded from ramanahou.podbean.com/e/investigating-who-am-i-is-the-means-to-just-be and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened on the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from www.mediafire.com/file/1g42769je9ftqsl
Heard that you had visited Tiruvannamalai last December. Had I known possibly , I would have come to meet you. We are all very fortunate to be in satsang with my upaguru who spent 8 &1/2 years with Swami Sadhu Om. I did miss a few of your past videos. But I will surely catchup. My pranams to you Michael ji. Om namo bhagwate Sri Arunachala Ramanaaya.
💖💖This is pure gold! 💖💖
Dearest Michael..💖..Thank You so much for Your awesome , strong - Bhakti - for us all.🌹🙏🙏🙏...eternally grateful....💖💖💖💕💖💖💖
A favourite meeting. Full of reminds and insights: The love for turning within, ahimsa and many other points made clear over the 12 questions answered by Michael James on Bhagavan Sri Ramana's ' One step path' Thank you for being so patient as we gently, moment by moment strive to understand and practice turning within 🙏
Thank you Sir, Michael James and thanks to M1 Maharshi foundation UK for making the videos available at regular intervals. It was great insight in love and bhakti and true understanding to our own self.
Gratitude! 🙏💖💖🙏
Thank you❤
Thank You! 🙏
42.37 - beautiful answer . Note to all seejers still looking for an extwrnal Gueu . This is the outlook and core teaching of a genuine jivan mukta 🙏🕉️
Thank you Micheal for again and again pointing out the central message of Bhahavan's teaching " be your self as you rally are"and that is your real nature and the truth..Some one asked how do we know Bhahavan's teaching is the truth.if someone really understand Bhahavan's teaching that question won't arise !Truth can't be found by by the thought either by discussions or by debate.Bhahavan and Micheal pointed out to us that your real nature is the truth which is not an object,you have to be your self (by self inquiry) as it know itself.No one can tell you or teach you.
Than you
@user-xk7mz9ds7e, you obviously mean 'Bhagavan' and 'Michael'. 😵💫.
@@josefbruckner7154 Yes,thank you for pointing out the error of spelling.However I hope you are not caught up with the names and forms.although it is important for communication it doesn't really exist,what really exist is pure consciousness ,that is your own nature🙂 ,thank you
@@SinnaThangham, letting the mind write sloppily is not a good training to focus keenly inwards.😌
Short Q&A videos from this channel can be watched on youtube.com/@sriramanateachingsqa
Sri Arunachala Aksharamanamalai sung by Sri Sadhu Om, with English translation by Michael James, can be watched here: vimeo.com/ramanahou/am000 . For advertisement-free videos on teachings and songs related to Bhagavan Ramana, please visit vimeo.com/ramanahou and click 'showcases' on the bottom left. Each original work of Bhagavan Ramana has its own showcase with explanations of Michael James.
Namo Ramana
🙏🙏🙏
🙏
❤❤❤❤
🙏🕉️
First what is Njaana vichara and what is Atma vichara? Any difference on it those? Bhagavan keeps the question who am I when he says about Njaana vichara,but never says the question when he says about atma vichara. Pls take remember on it.
The excellent question that Chris asked at 1:33:10 minutes is "how do we define that love to turn inward....?" Michael says to first consider what love is at the absolute level -- at the absolute level, love is undivided love -- in other words, "real love" is the love in which there are no "two." Then, as far as "relative love," we have love for let's say, a husband or wife. But the love to turn within is the love for our own Being -- we give up identification for this body -- and as long as we love this person, we are not focusing our love on our Being -- we need to love our being to the exclusion of all other things -- and that is what we are cultivating by practicing self-investigation. What Michael is saying is that self-investigation shows us that the person we think we are is an idol that we are using to keep ourselves away from our True Self, by searching for relative love (with a person, condition, circumstance, thing, etc.) in hopes of becoming complete; whereas love at the absolute level is perfect love for ALL (undivided love). Our True Self is complete and always has been complete -- It is more than just an individual, separated, limited awareness because our True Self is everything (undivided, shared, complete, whole). Our True Self knows completion because It is at the absolute level. Look beyond the idol to the source of our belief that we are incomplete, the idea that we are separated off from what is whole. We have not two realities, but one. We cannot be aware of more than one, either an idol (ego, body, etc.) or the thought God holds of us (completion). Let ourselves be free of all the dreams of what we never were. Completion is the function of our True Self, every living thing a part of us in God, one with God. Our will for completion is granted in our awareness of the True Self as It exists. We are one, eternally united and at peace. The love to turn inward to see our Truth is our willingness to answer God's Call to oneness, to accept undivided love. There are no separate parts in what exists in God's Mind which is ours as one. We are not separated off from what is whole and complete because that is what we are. We can never be content for our expression in terms of form. Know that, and let our will be done.
I am withdrawing my comment.
@@johnmcdonald260 The term "God's mind" is figurative. I realize there is not "us" and "God," but only from ego perspective. I realize we are complete, but from ego perspective, we are seeking completion. We do not need to "transcend duality" to become or to unite -- just to quiet the mind to experience it. Is that language okay with you, John? We appreciate your guidance.
@@johnmcdonald260 So since we seem to be experiencing a person, a body, and separation from others (ego perspective), could you please explain how to approach the practice (of no ego perspective) from this assumed limitation (ego perspective)? Michael says we have to love our Being to the exclusion of all other things, and Chris asked him about what this love is (the love to turn inward). In response, Michael first talked about absolute love vs relative love. Then he says "we can hold onto to our Being only to the extent to which we have love to hold onto our Being," and the more we hold onto our Being, we are cultivating that love. Then he talks about the vasanas. He says that we strengthen our Sat vasana, (to be aware of nothing other than our Being), by focusing all our attention on our Being.
But how to "attend only to our Being," when our awareness is assumed within the ego perspective? (Some might think that "attending to ourself more & more" would be attending to our ego thought system.)
Then at 1:40:00, Chris says that to attend to our Self is the highest expression of love from the standpoint of ego. Michael responds that we are trying to wean ourselves off a love for things other than our Self. That is why I responded saying that ego is trying to seek completion, whereas our Self is completion. (Ego does not, and can not, know what the True Self is.)
Michael says "our Self is our Being." He further explains that it is like a small snowflake falling in the ocean (of love), and we are nothing other than the water that constitutes the ocean. That implies that we release the form of the snowflake and dissolve into our true nature (the water) and expand (into the completion of the ocean) without limitation. However, isn't there a fear of ego to release itself, and that is why we clutch onto a body etc.?
So, John, how would you say that we approach this practice of atma-vichara? Thanks.
@@johnmcdonald260, "a few minutes" without breath - and our personal story would be over.🥲.
@@johnmcdonald260 Thank you for your response. Yes, as you say, the language causes confusion. When people hear "I am," don't they automatically think it's about their person, their body, etc.? but in our way of interpreting, ego and "I am" are mutually exclusive. Also, the word "self" is confusing in the same way. Is the meaning of the "self" of the ego the same as the "Self" of Being? I think of the Self of Being sort of as an oversoul which includes all brotherhood of sentience -- so when we release the little self of the illusion of ego, we expand into acceptance of the ocean of love (as Michael says).
I get it that you say that our awareness is split between ego awareness and Being awareness (and ego awareness is unreal). Now you mention that the simple solution is a type of meditation practice -- to attend to the pure awareness we already are with an intensity of love for our Being (and it is a trial-and-error process).
In my view, we are imagining a gap (a separation) existing between what we are (Being) and our image of being as a little separate self (ego). And we fill in that imagined gap with all the idols of the world (as you say, our loved ones, our enemies, our diseases, our likes and dislikes). All these appearances deceive us because they are appearances -- they bring fear because they are not truth. We attack these idols because they do not satisfy. We do not see our brothers as included in our Being, but we see them in a dream of fear.
Instead, what we truly desire is the truth of what we are. So, to self-investigate, we first "neutralize" the purpose of the world we were holding onto in each moment in which we remember our new purpose. Imagined fear, hatred, attack, separation, all are released. We recognize that the only purpose of the world is to leave the gap empty of idols -- figuratively, we "wash away" the imagined gap between our brothers and our self by recognizing that their truth is our truth, all within the Self we share. In a sense, we "forgive" the illusions and leave an empty space for the grace of Bhagavan (which is always there) to be known -- realized as One Being. The "snowflake" releases its defenses to allow itself to melt into the unlimited ocean of love which includes All. Love is this giving and receiving of our Self.
52:35 🙏🙏🙏
The Immeasurable
The word "Maya", etymologically, means "to measure", "to evaluate". The measurement or evaluation of anything is done based on knowledge, which is always incomplete.
Taking the evaluation of beings and things - of a tree, of a bird, of myself, of the universe and of any other phenomenon - as if they were the entities themselves is to live under illusion.
No mental construction is what it represents. The image, the concept, the idea, is "what is not". When I actually see this, I am then in a state of not-knowing. There is life, which is consciousness, and which cannot be measured, and there are the images necessary for everyday life, but without confusing them with what they represent.
Is there any separation there? Or there is separation only in the field of concepts, images, representations?
Who am I?
I am withdrawing my comment.
@@johnmcdonald260 I talked about the state of not knowing. What you see as variety is just the same unknowable from the point of view of the intellect. There is only this immeasurable, which is beyond expression.
I am not talking about what is ordinarily understood as "life". I am using the word "life" as synonym of "existence", "being", as you can see in any good dictionary.
"Unself-conscious existence is a contradiction in terms. It is no existence at all. It is merely attributed existence, whereas true Existence, Sat, is not an attribute, it is the Substance itself. It is the Vastu. Reality is therefore known as Sat-Chit, Being-Consciousness, and never merely the one to the exclusion of the other." Ramana Maharshi
@@domingosmsande9153 I am withdrawing my comment.
@@johnmcdonald260 Oh, you put obstacles to yourself. If you investigate, you will see that knowledge is always incomplete. Science is measurement. Any theory, at any time, is incomplete. There can never be complete knowledge. See this, understand this. So, the state of not-knowing is evident! To think otherwise is due to lack of understanding. In one word, ir's due to ignorance.
It becomes clear that the "immeasurable" is what you are and what all the phenomena is.
Ask "who am I?" and do not resort to any answer from knowledge, from thought, from memory. What happens? Find out.
@@johnmcdonald260 You are stuck. Move. Let's finish the conversation here. As Bhagavan told Somerset Maugham and Major Chadwick, "All talk must end in silence only".
Vedanta means "the end of knowledge". When one really sees that knowledge is always incomplete, then the immeasurability is evident. "I", the Universe and the Source are this one immeasurable.
Suppose a scientist with a tremendous knowledge in several fields. His complex mental construction - which is derived from that knowledge - about a bird, doesn't fly nor sing.
Without form or with form, there is only the immeasurable. Division and separation are based on what is not - images, mental representations.
A man asked Ramana Maharshi to say something to him. When asked what he wanted to know, he said that he knew nothing and wanted to hear something from the Maharshi.
RM: You know that you know nothing. Find out that knowledge. That is liberation (mukti).
If pure awernes cant be an object of perception, who is than watching what/who in self enquery proces?
Who then does action of basic nature body needs after self realization.
the ego tries to look at itself but finds nothing. ones attention then rests in that space of 'nothing'
@@markocvrljak3681, first eliminate wrong awareness. Then you may put this question ...😵💫
@@whatthebosh, pure awareness is not an object to be found but is that what will remain when ego is annihilated. "Nothing" is only a thought.
@@johnmcdonald260 hence the inverted commas around nothing.
The beard I can't