I think that in this case, Apollyon and the Order of Horkos are right. Not ethically right, but practically. Every single time peace comes to Heathmoor, it ends up ruined somehow. Calamity, possibly caused by "Sylvans." A second one, even. A foreign invasion. In real life, obviously it works a bit differently, but in For Honor I think the Order of Horkos aren't doing the moral thing, they're doing the correct thing. Think about it. The only reason they won is because they unified every faction and readied themselves for war, when finally everyone settled down to... what, exactly? Talk? When would the next threat come? In a world where a Roman Centurion can fight alongside a 15th century Gothic knight, all bets are off. Again, they unified warriors of every faction and were willing to unleash alchemical warfare to do it. If the Order of Horkos were to be invaded from somewhere else, they would wipe the floor with them. Anyway, that aside, Raven, you have my undying respect for that "sympathy for the devil" bit at the end about post-WW1 Germany. Not enough people understand it that way. One of your best videos yet.
Thank you! I'm thrilled you enjoyed the video so much and you thought it one of my best. It was fun to make, most definitely. And yes, I did want to bring up that bit about WWI Germany and the South after the Civil War. There's a lot of context that MUST be unpacked and understood before we start poiniting fingers.
@@RavenKnightYT I am amazed the way you said this. Yes people can't have war all the time. You want to know why. Because. Maybe at first it's great to fight if that's what warriors were meant to do. But to that I say. If I had to fight non-stop war. In time I would say. I don't want to fight anymore. That's the beauty you Raven brought up.
The writers not writing beyond heathmore is a stupid reason to excuse warmongering to be prepares for outside forces, when i even in the reality of the game, you can do simple stuff, like sending scouts. Defending horkos argument boils down to "war good because it makes us strong for future wars" Yeah ... but what if there was no war in the first place? You know? Peace ... you still got plenty of other problems you have to "fight" against then self imposed ones.
I believe Astrea selected specific year 3 heroes, which made them betray their respective factions and become inducted into the Order of Horkos as Astrea’s generals. The heroes are as followed: Erzebet (Female Black Prior) Yato (Male Hitokiri) Gretar (Male Jormungandr) Fu Hou (Female Zhanhu) These characters served as the boss fighters during the year 4 season 4 events where you had to use the scythe to permanently kill them
In my opinion Chimera and horkos are the same groups. Both are fighting for their own egoistic goals, to defeat the other group. And the leaders are the most egoistic of each faction, Holden fights to redeem himself, Astrea wants revenge for apollyon. Both leaders are ignoring the goals both factions are fighting for. -both factions are having ONE main leader -both factions are using Draconite -both factions are at the same strength -both factions want to kill eachother -both factions are having Harbingers -both factions are ruining lives of innocent people -the leader of each faction has something to do with Apollyon. -both factions are ignoring what draconite does to the world, and their people In my opinion they are the same, just the same.
I feel like we don’t know anything about what the chimera actually believe, but we certainly know what the order of horkos wants. Imo it’s too early to make this judgement. I just hope chimera actually gets some lore soon
The big question is this, where is the Roman Empire at this point in time if the strongest only survived the disaster thing, I can’t imagine that some knights, Vikings, or samurai could outlive the Roman Empire in a disaster like that
According to the lore, the Roman Empire technically survived the Cataclysm, but by the time of the multiplayer, their numbers are so low and their resources so thin that they've kind of been absorbed into the Knights.
10:16 This is what happened to eathmore actually. They lost many technologies: the crane, the theory behind siege warfare and weapons, advanced agriculture so much lost to time and warfare.
Cod Advanced Warfare has one of my favourite quotes regarding war. The one where he says about how “both sides are convinced they are on the side of the angels”
This is what makes For Honor such a great game. It’s not just a Deadliest Warrior’s fever dream. There’s some nuance and level of depth to it. Sadly, the ignorance of people’s perception, fans or non-fans, has sort of given this game a more underground level of popularity. It’s overshadowed by other games that you could argue didn’t really deserve the recognition such as Last of Us 2. For Honor is a great game, and it isn’t dead. Anyone who says it’s dead is either stoopid, hateful for no reason, ignorant or just haven’t tried the game.
Very good and thought provoking video as always Raven. I think what could be interesting is if there's a third group that is neutral in this civil war between Horkos & Chimera. A group that just wants the war to end, and sees and understands both sides, but don't believe that their war will do anything. Idk its just a concept. Perhaps the first hero for year 5 could be the leader, or a leader of the neutral group. After all, there are always those who choose not to take sides of anything, and choose to be indifferent about it. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens when year 4 ends and year 5 begins.
Really enjoying your breakdown videos. And as I love For Honor as soon as I saw this video I watched it as quickly as possible. Thanks for the interesting perspective and of course. We Are War!
For a house of mafia, true peace can only be archived through the total destruction of all other houses. The forth faction came into the conflict with this kind of definition in mind. Discussing peace is just a delay to a great inevitable conflict.
I enjoyed the video I prefer to fight for horkos myself as a warden and I also enjoy the historical and lore lessons of these videos the reason i fight for horkos “I would rather die with weaponry in hand and brothers and sisters around me rather then a shaky peace”--ser kaiser
The reason why it’s important to humanize villains is not so you can condone their actions. It’s so you realize, that given the right circumstances, you can become a villain to. And that is what some people can not handle.
Great video as per usual, kinda wish that the devs weren't going for such a binary perspective now though. The clear cut good vs evil isn't as interesting as something like this where each side has compelling and clear motivations.
Its intriguing how the horkos are not necessarily evil, just people who want to have a strong and united country, perhaps this is why families are divided, it's just their immediate perspective that differs, but the warmongers who orchestrated the horkos are, it's so manipulative, but also realistic, look at nazi Germany. The ss and Hitler were obviously bad, but that doesn't mean each individual soldier was. To them, they were just defending their home, leaving politics to his betters, he was defending his family, and others who could not defend themselves, and yet evil was still the driving force. In horkos case, its astrea and the warmongers who possibly play with people's patriotism and their love for their home which provide them with followers, followers who aren't necessarily evil, but just want to defend their home. It's so cool when you think about it.
Astrea may have good intentions. But the order itself... I doubt it. Considering they don't want to make their factions stronger. They want to rule. They don't want to "root out the sheep". They want the sheep to serve them. But then again, all I know I got from daily orders. I may be wrong
As yahtzee put it so graciously at the end of the day you cant have a world of war because you need someone to cook and resharpen all the pointy sticks
I'm watching this after going through a comparison of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia course and you're spot on. with out giving too much info my travels around the world in conflict areas there's a common theme of desperation and determining what's right and wrong, but truthfully all rules are created by people and there are no true rules to how things function. It's a language barrier not between actual words but through interpretation that make everything also nearly impossible to reason with. This game is the only game I've consistently played over the past years and ill admit the story kind of slipped in the background. I found this channel watching meme videos too. lmao officially subbed.
This is why in my Goblin Slayer/For Honor crossover story my character Fallen Knight doesn’t fully discard Horkos. She still believes that those who break the oaths they swore should be rightfully punished, but she does not kill the innocent.
Yeah, my warden has a similar history. He was actualy fighting alongside apollyon because she saved him from a raid of vikings. He absorved her ideals and when he died he lost himself to the world, still fighting with all his might protecting the weak like she did to him but always trying to bring out their inner wolves like she did to him. When wyvenrdale happened he bacame a pure knight fighting for pace beause his ideals did not got him anywhere. And then came the warmongers and massacred his order. He survived just by pure luck and roamed around almost losing his mind until he finaly understood what the video said. That both sides are not good or evil, weakness and compliance was what brought everythih crumbling down but endless war will just consume everything like wild fire. He understood that there would be always be wolves and sheep and that he would always be a wolf. But the weak need protection, so they can trive,advance the world in ways that he as a warrior never could. So he would fight for moments that they would not need for a wolf but he would never let his fangs get dull again.Now he was more like a lion that protect his people and his holdj against other predators. But would never get complacent or weak again.(Sorry, i realy like to crest this mini stories so i got a bit exited and did a larger text than what i expected XD)
Thank you very much. I'm glad you liked the video despite the disagreement. I'm curious as to what the disagreement was though, if you don't mind my asking.
@@austinwilbanks9582 That's what I said. The southern states were afraid of the Federal Government (the Union) taking away their state rights (one of them being slavery). So they wanted to escape the tyranny of a large Federal government. The war wasn't just about slavery, it was just one of the key points.
@@RavenKnightYT yup youre right my bad i misheard. just listened to it again its a common missconception nowadays that slavery was all the war was about its nice to know others pay attention to history as well :)
@@austinwilbanks9582 Oh you know it man. I've studied war history since I was 5 years old. The Civil War (or as my grandpa calls it "The War of Northern Agression" was certainly not just about "freeing slaves." No Union soldier signed up because he cared about slaves and freeing them. Abraham Lincoln wasn't sweating awake at night wondering how the slaves were doing. The Northern states were mostly industrial and factory based and didn't need slaves to run it, but that didn't mean they were champions of the free african americans. In fact, many blacks who escaped up north were treated WORSE by the North. The Emancipation Proclimation that Lincoln signed is also a joke because it ONLY applied to the southern states which were already succeeding! It was written only to make the European countries (who were doing trade with the south and were considering helping them out) back off. He knew Europe wouldn't want to join forced with a nation of slave owners, so he took the moral high ground by stating to the world "WE DON'T LIKE SLAVES, AND THE SOUTH DOES!" And so the Europeans said "Well if that's the case, we'll stay out of this one." A lot of what we hear about the Civil War in school is that the South wanted to keep their slaves because they're racist and the North wanted to free the slaves. And that stupidity still exists today when people say "you're from the south, so that makes you racist." Dude, I'm a South Carolinian, but some of my best friends and coworkers are black. In fact, I find we're LESS racist around here than northern states most of the time. Final point and I'll get off my soapbox: History is often written by the victors. The North won the war so they got to spin the narrative how they like. But the truth is that slavery, while a key factor in the war, was not the sole reason. Those that think it is need to read up some more history.
Since religion isn’t a big part of this game, even though in the story mode there were some hints of Apollyon saying something about “the people of Ashfeld all believing/follow the same god”. I hope that in year 5 religion becomes a big thing, it might sound stupid and I’m not sure how it would work, but I think it would be pretty cool. I’m not saying this just because I am a Muslim, no I just think it would be pretty cool.
No, seriously, as a Catholic I completely agree with you. Religion was a HUGE part of these warriors' lives. And I still want Janissaries or something. Muslim warriors had a lot of cool stuff that would be a great fit for this game.
@@liamodahl1205 Thanks man, 👍🤜 😊you’re a cool guy. Hopefully it we’ll happen. I hope Arabian soldiers or Persian soldiers we’ll be added in the game. It we’ll be so cool.
I really like your take, but I don't 100% agree with you. 1. There were other factions that survived aside from the main 3, just look at the Highlander and the Romans that came from the settling dust, and now the Outlanders that are coming from across the horizon. Sure, most of them settled with the main 3, but they're still their own thing. 2. Other technologies CAN be cultivated during war times. The computer(or it's forefather, I should say) was a WW2 invention with Alan Turing if I remember right. For an in-game equivalent you could look at Zahn-hu(?) And his gunpowder discovery and application into fireworks and the Pirate's pistol.
It's fair, you don't have to agree with me, but I do want to address your two points. 1.) Even if there are other factions beside the main three, they clearly were not strong enough or independent enough to be their own thing for long. Highlanders NEEDED to ally with the Vikings. Centurion and Gladiator NEEDED to ally with the Knights. If they were strong enough and independant enough to be their own thing, no alliance would be necessary. And I made this video BEFORE the Outlanders, so you can't really blame me for not including them. 2.) Firstly, the Turing machine was invented in 1936. WWII began in 1939. It was not a war time invention. Secondly, you use gunpowder as evidence of a wartime invention, but as I said in the video, the only inventions that will ever be made in wartime are weapons of war. And what was Zhanhu using the gunpowder for if not a weapon? Thirdly, While it is true that, historically, some inventions are made during wartime, the difference is that if a war is going on in Europe, it's easier for Americans or Asians to invent something when they are no where near the fighting. But in For Honor, all the factions are constantly at war with battles raging just within their territories. It's hard to have the time, drive, or resources necessary to invent quality of life devices when your very survival is in the balance.
@@RavenKnightYT I didn't say i totally didn't agree with you :) I agree with you on everything except those 2 points I commented. There's a reason why i subscribe to your content.
When I was in high school, for three years straight I knew people who wholeheartedly believed that ignorance was a horrible thing Then I went to a Native Studies class in my last year of high school and my teacher said this; “Ignorance isn’t a bad thing, it’s just something that should be acknowledged, if you don’t know something, don’t act on it until you do know more about it” She was white as could be and got no complaints from the teacher there who was First Nations because this YOUNG WHITE WOMAN, learned everything she taught, she wasn’t ignorant, she wasn’t acting on false information, she wasn’t picking sides, she wasn’t ignorant, she was telling us the history of First Nations people The Horkos want war because war makes us stronger, and it keeps us stronger for any upcoming bad things like invading forces (like the Wu Lin) but war doesn’t have to be the solution It was still a WAR with the Wu Lin, because the Wu Lin weren’t facing off against rival tribes that were on their own, the Wu Lin were at war with all forces of Heathmoor, the unified forces of Ashfeld Knights, Myre Samurai and Valkenheim Vikings, but the issue here is that if those forces were unified, they should’ve been capable of dealing with the Wu Lin and sending the invading forces packing The issue is that the powerful forces of the Black Prior, the Hitokiri, the Jormungandr and the Zhanhu weren’t ALWAYS ready to go, they had to PREPARE, they were secret weapons that needed to be dusted off when they should’ve been ready as soon as a conflict rose, just like every other warrior from the separate factions The Horkos are separating the factions once again, to get them to go to war so that we’re strong, but in the process, we grow stronger by ourselves, meanwhile, Chimera just wants to go back to peace A weak unified force, or strong individual forces, those are the choices we have, Chimera wants unity but allows weakness, while Horkos wants strength but denies unity Neither side is good nor bad, both are just using very flawed approaches in what the main issue is; staying strong and ready for enemy forces when they come knocking, and a strong unified force is impossible to achieve, because through unity and peace, we grow weak, and through strength and war, we grow divided
No, their problem was they in middle of fighting each other they made themselves weak by getting into useless wars and they when an outside threat came they couldn't deal because they wasted their manpower
Long ago not that long ago the knights in the Vikings Samurai were all in a peaceful coexistence War like no other everything was great until communism arrived they struck with great velocity with their overpowered light attacks and fast light spanning the Wo lan
so what im hearing is the called the warmongers to help but then said its ending stop before they helped and now they found astrea and joined them to finish what they were called for?
I think marching fire proves horkos wrong, peace was only very recently established everyone still remembered their reason to fight and how to fight, infact their reason to fight was reinforced, they were no longer fighting for just their own well being and protection they were also fighting for the right to fight...and yet they still lost
It honestly depends which side you look at it from. For those who support horkos, they could see themselves as heroes and then the rest of us as filth from the bottom of your shoe
Why is Horkos portrayed as a jester and why does his festival seem to be more inspired by medieval France during Fools festival than a cult of murderers coming together? Also heard you mention cannibalism in another video, where do I find this lore?
I'm not entirely sure why that is? Creative expression? Hahaha. And yeah I did mention cannibalism. It's mentioned here: preview.redd.it/p442nm13rfp61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b3ec78e53141cf2f9775f4cbd5e47b5e7953d3f6
The Chad chimera: knows that strength is only of worth to protect the week also beligrant lamb Simp Horokos: wants to involove everyone in there weird mommy kink
At the end of the day the Knights are the villains in For Hono(u)r so of course the Horkos are the villains after all Gryphon isn't a Knight. Even his default armour is viking.
Well...no. Firstly the knights are not the villains of For Honor, but even if they WERE the villains, Horkos is not just made up of knights. There are various other warriors from different factions in it too so.....that isn't even a real point.
But they are. Even their minions are knight/western European themed. Yes the occasional non knight hero shows up as horkos like the male jorm, female zian hu etc but the alternate heroes aka the horkos versions are all officially dead killed by chimera heroes. Also every story event has the players fighting for the chimera against the horkos. Even horkos carousel portrays the horkos as the villains since your they're executing the zain hu assassin who tried to kill astrea
Bro you only LOSE manpower and resources in longterm battle. the truce was the PERFECT time to rebuilt because your population isn't focused on fighting (instead of farming or raising children) nonstop fighting with no breaks does not make an army stronger it makes them dead. A truce and demilitarizing are entirely different things.
"War stagnates progress and discovery"? You might want to brush up on history. War creates progress out of necessity to have an edge. There is a saying; 'If you want peace you prepare for war'.
You're missing the point. A culture or society constantly under the fires of war will not make advancements in technology, art, discovery, or society. The only advancements that can be made are those dealing in weaponry or armor, and even then they can only be discovered when the fighting stops. During WWII, America was perhaps the first to discover the nuclear bomb because our country, while fighting, was also SAFE from attack. Our society could afford to keep advancing without fear of our soil being attacked or hurt. Some greatest ages of discovery in the world were the Industrial Age, the Renaissance, and the Technological Boom of the 90's, all times when the countries in question were at a time of relative peace where their societies could afford to grow and advance culturally. You'll notice that during times of war, the only advancements made are usually ones concerning military strength, not cultural improvement or technological growth. Now you might be referring to the Cold War, but considering that the reason it's called the Cold War is because the USSR and America were not actually physically fighting each other, then the fact they were advancing to get an edge makes sense, but neither country was personally under fire or under attack. A country that is constantly at war with no breaks, no truces, no periods of rest, will not breed artisans, scientists, and discoveries...they will only breed warriors and blacksmiths with the tools to wage war. That's what Heathmoore is. And yes, I know that saying. It's a shortened version of a George Washington quote: "To prepare for war is one of the best ways to preserve peace." It has nothing to do with what your arguing. The saying simply means that a country, during peace time, must be prepared to fight if it wants to maintain peace. Meaning: a good country should train soldiers, make advancements while it can, and gain intel on its enemies. That way they are prepared if war breaks out to fight for peace. That saying does not mean "Even in wartime we're making discoveries to better ourselves." But maybe...you should brush up on history.
@@RavenKnightYT I see your point of view and It can certainly be argued on both sides. I would agree cultural advancements wouldn't take place but I want you to do a little google search on all the advancements that came out of war. Velcro is one. Tons other like it that are so common place today you wouldn't even realize. So your correct and incorrect as am I. Now as to who more incorrect I'm not entirely sure I see your point and it holds water. But I know tons of advancements have been made during war minor maybe. Couldn't hold a candle to any enlightened periods of our species history certainly. But advancements non-the-less.
@@RavenKnightYT I just did a real quick search and linked it. Not extensive research but there are a couple in this article. Not all of them pertained to war. But pilot radios, stainless steel, vegan sausages are notable. P.s I find this interesting and am in know way trying to start an argument or troll you. Just a friendly debate where we both leave having learned something.
Wait wait wait does this mean that other cultures are dead in this universe dammit that ruins my hopes and dreams of Maori warriors making it in the game oh well not a big loss I guess
Not exactly true; Plenty of cultures could have survived the Cataclysm, though they wouldn't be war ready in the slightest, especially when their population is decimated.
Each faction in 40K is in constant war. The Imperium of man is in constant war. The eldar are in constant war. The orks are in constant war. And so on. The literal tagline is: "In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war."
Uhhh homie hate to break it to you, war is the reason for the evolution of technology. Which came first WWII or the ability to level a country with 1-3 bombs? 🫡
Stop deleting my comments. List: Nuclear Energy, Radar, The Internet, Jets, and Digital Photography were all inventions of war that we use daily in civilian life. You took the L bud, eat it.
Man am so glad I found a for honor RUclipsr that talks about the lore and story
You should go check out toastyrep100 as well
@@jacobshlyak yeah I found toasty after the interview between the two
Right I actually love the lore here
@@jacobshlyak sadly it is toasty the barbarian
@@obi-wanguinobi2175 yeah cause he stopped doing for honor lore now
I think that in this case, Apollyon and the Order of Horkos are right. Not ethically right, but practically. Every single time peace comes to Heathmoor, it ends up ruined somehow. Calamity, possibly caused by "Sylvans." A second one, even. A foreign invasion. In real life, obviously it works a bit differently, but in For Honor I think the Order of Horkos aren't doing the moral thing, they're doing the correct thing.
Think about it. The only reason they won is because they unified every faction and readied themselves for war, when finally everyone settled down to... what, exactly? Talk? When would the next threat come? In a world where a Roman Centurion can fight alongside a 15th century Gothic knight, all bets are off. Again, they unified warriors of every faction and were willing to unleash alchemical warfare to do it. If the Order of Horkos were to be invaded from somewhere else, they would wipe the floor with them.
Anyway, that aside, Raven, you have my undying respect for that "sympathy for the devil" bit at the end about post-WW1 Germany. Not enough people understand it that way. One of your best videos yet.
Thank you! I'm thrilled you enjoyed the video so much and you thought it one of my best. It was fun to make, most definitely. And yes, I did want to bring up that bit about WWI Germany and the South after the Civil War. There's a lot of context that MUST be unpacked and understood before we start poiniting fingers.
@@RavenKnightYT I am amazed the way you said this. Yes people can't have war all the time. You want to know why. Because. Maybe at first it's great to fight if that's what warriors were meant to do. But to that I say. If I had to fight non-stop war. In time I would say. I don't want to fight anymore. That's the beauty you Raven brought up.
The writers not writing beyond heathmore is a stupid reason to excuse warmongering to be prepares for outside forces, when i even in the reality of the game, you can do simple stuff, like sending scouts.
Defending horkos argument boils down to "war good because it makes us strong for future wars"
Yeah ... but what if there was no war in the first place? You know? Peace ... you still got plenty of other problems you have to "fight" against then self imposed ones.
Excuse the spelling mistakes, im on the phone and youtubes knterface is terrible for comments, i cant even edit it anymore.
I believe Astrea selected specific year 3 heroes, which made them betray their respective factions and become inducted into the Order of Horkos as Astrea’s generals. The heroes are as followed:
Erzebet (Female Black Prior)
Yato (Male Hitokiri)
Gretar (Male Jormungandr)
Fu Hou (Female Zhanhu)
These characters served as the boss fighters during the year 4 season 4 events where you had to use the scythe to permanently kill them
In my opinion Chimera and horkos are the same groups. Both are fighting for their own egoistic goals, to defeat the other group. And the leaders are the most egoistic of each faction, Holden fights to redeem himself, Astrea wants revenge for apollyon. Both leaders are ignoring the goals both factions are fighting for.
-both factions are having ONE main leader
-both factions are using Draconite
-both factions are at the same strength
-both factions want to kill eachother
-both factions are having Harbingers
-both factions are ruining lives of innocent people
-the leader of each faction has something to do with Apollyon.
-both factions are ignoring what draconite does to the world, and their people
In my opinion they are the same, just the same.
"both are want to kill eachother"
@@ykcewfcvklptwasxxjirrbotrw3575 sorry darling, at first i thought about typing "Both are killing each other"
I feel like we don’t know anything about what the chimera actually believe, but we certainly know what the order of horkos wants. Imo it’s too early to make this judgement. I just hope chimera actually gets some lore soon
The big question is this, where is the Roman Empire at this point in time if the strongest only survived the disaster thing, I can’t imagine that some knights, Vikings, or samurai could outlive the Roman Empire in a disaster like that
When you do the 1st mission Appolyon brings it up sounds like their castles are from the Roman's. Or hers was
According to the lore, the Roman Empire technically survived the Cataclysm, but by the time of the multiplayer, their numbers are so low and their resources so thin that they've kind of been absorbed into the Knights.
10:16
This is what happened to eathmore actually. They lost many technologies: the crane, the theory behind siege warfare and weapons, advanced agriculture so much lost to time and warfare.
Without war there is no For Honor
Fax there has to be a reason to fight
Exactly...
A true warrior dream of the day he may turn his swords and spears to spades and plows.
We are all, we are one, we are war!
This has opened a new perspective about the lore on for honor that I have been too ignorant to think about. Thank you.
We Are All We Are One We Are War!
What a Wolf you are!
@@XeraphinaTheAngel Zelda?
Zelda is that you?
(Yeah the voice of Zelda from botw is voicing warmonger)
@@amogusmale The universe can be a strange place, perhaps I know you from somewhere. Perhaps you were a Wolf.
@@XeraphinaTheAngel yes
Maybe
I was a rep 7 warmonger 😔
The "Who is Apollyon" was interesting
Cod Advanced Warfare has one of my favourite quotes regarding war. The one where he says about how “both sides are convinced they are on the side of the angels”
This is what makes For Honor such a great game. It’s not just a Deadliest Warrior’s fever dream. There’s some nuance and level of depth to it. Sadly, the ignorance of people’s perception, fans or non-fans, has sort of given this game a more underground level of popularity. It’s overshadowed by other games that you could argue didn’t really deserve the recognition such as Last of Us 2. For Honor is a great game, and it isn’t dead. Anyone who says it’s dead is either stoopid, hateful for no reason, ignorant or just haven’t tried the game.
Very good and thought provoking video as always Raven. I think what could be interesting is if there's a third group that is neutral in this civil war between Horkos & Chimera. A group that just wants the war to end, and sees and understands both sides, but don't believe that their war will do anything. Idk its just a concept. Perhaps the first hero for year 5 could be the leader, or a leader of the neutral group. After all, there are always those who choose not to take sides of anything, and choose to be indifferent about it. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens when year 4 ends and year 5 begins.
Really enjoying your breakdown videos. And as I love For Honor as soon as I saw this video I watched it as quickly as possible. Thanks for the interesting perspective and of course. We Are War!
“In times of peace, prepare for war.” Niccoló Machiavelli.
For a house of mafia, true peace can only be archived through the total destruction of all other houses. The forth faction came into the conflict with this kind of definition in mind. Discussing peace is just a delay to a great inevitable conflict.
I wish I found this channel sooner, going straight into my subscriptions.
I enjoyed the video I prefer to fight for horkos myself as a warden and I also enjoy the historical and lore lessons of these videos the reason i fight for horkos “I would rather die with weaponry in hand and brothers and sisters around me rather then a shaky peace”--ser kaiser
I love these for honor lore talks. So refreshing.
The reason why it’s important to humanize villains is not so you can condone their actions. It’s so you realize, that given the right circumstances, you can become a villain to. And that is what some people can not handle.
Great video as per usual, kinda wish that the devs weren't going for such a binary perspective now though. The clear cut good vs evil isn't as interesting as something like this where each side has compelling and clear motivations.
Its intriguing how the horkos are not necessarily evil, just people who want to have a strong and united country, perhaps this is why families are divided, it's just their immediate perspective that differs, but the warmongers who orchestrated the horkos are, it's so manipulative, but also realistic, look at nazi Germany. The ss and Hitler were obviously bad, but that doesn't mean each individual soldier was. To them, they were just defending their home, leaving politics to his betters, he was defending his family, and others who could not defend themselves, and yet evil was still the driving force. In horkos case, its astrea and the warmongers who possibly play with people's patriotism and their love for their home which provide them with followers, followers who aren't necessarily evil, but just want to defend their home. It's so cool when you think about it.
Your channel is so underrated!
Astrea may have good intentions. But the order itself... I doubt it. Considering they don't want to make their factions stronger. They want to rule. They don't want to "root out the sheep". They want the sheep to serve them. But then again, all I know I got from daily orders. I may be wrong
As yahtzee put it so graciously at the end of the day you cant have a world of war because you need someone to cook and resharpen all the pointy sticks
10:25 Another point to make is that the Imperium is LOOSING in Warhammer 40k, the empire is falling apart unable to sustain itself.
Just saw a lore order that stated due to the deaths there is more resources for people than ever before
I'm watching this after going through a comparison of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia course and you're spot on. with out giving too much info my travels around the world in conflict areas there's a common theme of desperation and determining what's right and wrong, but truthfully all rules are created by people and there are no true rules to how things function. It's a language barrier not between actual words but through interpretation that make everything also nearly impossible to reason with. This game is the only game I've consistently played over the past years and ill admit the story kind of slipped in the background. I found this channel watching meme videos too. lmao officially subbed.
This is why in my Goblin Slayer/For Honor crossover story my character Fallen Knight doesn’t fully discard Horkos. She still believes that those who break the oaths they swore should be rightfully punished, but she does not kill the innocent.
Yeah, my warden has a similar history. He was actualy fighting alongside apollyon because she saved him from a raid of vikings. He absorved her ideals and when he died he lost himself to the world, still fighting with all his might protecting the weak like she did to him but always trying to bring out their inner wolves like she did to him. When wyvenrdale happened he bacame a pure knight fighting for pace beause his ideals did not got him anywhere. And then came the warmongers and massacred his order. He survived just by pure luck and roamed around almost losing his mind until he finaly understood what the video said. That both sides are not good or evil, weakness and compliance was what brought everythih crumbling down but endless war will just consume everything like wild fire. He understood that there would be always be wolves and sheep and that he would always be a wolf. But the weak need protection, so they can trive,advance the world in ways that he as a warrior never could. So he would fight for moments that they would not need for a wolf but he would never let his fangs get dull again.Now he was more like a lion that protect his people and his holdj against other predators. But would never get complacent or weak again.(Sorry, i realy like to crest this mini stories so i got a bit exited and did a larger text than what i expected XD)
great video! love your content! Im a new subscriber and love your videos man. Though i do disagree with a point on the civil war.
Thank you very much. I'm glad you liked the video despite the disagreement. I'm curious as to what the disagreement was though, if you don't mind my asking.
@@RavenKnightYT about the war being about slavery. it started as the southern states not wanting to be apart of the union for fear of big government.
@@austinwilbanks9582 That's what I said. The southern states were afraid of the Federal Government (the Union) taking away their state rights (one of them being slavery). So they wanted to escape the tyranny of a large Federal government. The war wasn't just about slavery, it was just one of the key points.
@@RavenKnightYT yup youre right my bad i misheard. just listened to it again its a common missconception nowadays that slavery was all the war was about its nice to know others pay attention to history as well :)
@@austinwilbanks9582 Oh you know it man. I've studied war history since I was 5 years old. The Civil War (or as my grandpa calls it "The War of Northern Agression" was certainly not just about "freeing slaves." No Union soldier signed up because he cared about slaves and freeing them. Abraham Lincoln wasn't sweating awake at night wondering how the slaves were doing. The Northern states were mostly industrial and factory based and didn't need slaves to run it, but that didn't mean they were champions of the free african americans. In fact, many blacks who escaped up north were treated WORSE by the North. The Emancipation Proclimation that Lincoln signed is also a joke because it ONLY applied to the southern states which were already succeeding! It was written only to make the European countries (who were doing trade with the south and were considering helping them out) back off. He knew Europe wouldn't want to join forced with a nation of slave owners, so he took the moral high ground by stating to the world "WE DON'T LIKE SLAVES, AND THE SOUTH DOES!" And so the Europeans said "Well if that's the case, we'll stay out of this one."
A lot of what we hear about the Civil War in school is that the South wanted to keep their slaves because they're racist and the North wanted to free the slaves. And that stupidity still exists today when people say "you're from the south, so that makes you racist." Dude, I'm a South Carolinian, but some of my best friends and coworkers are black. In fact, I find we're LESS racist around here than northern states most of the time.
Final point and I'll get off my soapbox: History is often written by the victors. The North won the war so they got to spin the narrative how they like. But the truth is that slavery, while a key factor in the war, was not the sole reason. Those that think it is need to read up some more history.
Fallout 4 really got an update
Great video! I am definately more in favor of Horkos than chimera alliance :D
Since religion isn’t a big part of this game, even though in the story mode there were some hints of Apollyon saying something about “the people of Ashfeld all believing/follow the same god”. I hope that in year 5 religion becomes a big thing, it might sound stupid and I’m not sure how it would work, but I think it would be pretty cool. I’m not saying this just because I am a Muslim, no I just think it would be pretty cool.
No, seriously, as a Catholic I completely agree with you. Religion was a HUGE part of these warriors' lives. And I still want Janissaries or something. Muslim warriors had a lot of cool stuff that would be a great fit for this game.
@@liamodahl1205 Thanks man, 👍🤜 😊you’re a cool guy. Hopefully it we’ll happen. I hope Arabian soldiers or Persian soldiers we’ll be added in the game. It we’ll be so cool.
@@liamodahl1205 Have you got a PS4?
@@adamfaraj6997
Sadly, I'm on Xbox One.
@@liamodahl1205 No problem. 😊
As a centurion I believe that neither are as *INCREDIBLIS* as me
Do you think you can do a video on the Chimera Alliance?
Still hoping one day, the warmonger event will return
I really like your take, but I don't 100% agree with you.
1. There were other factions that survived aside from the main 3, just look at the Highlander and the Romans that came from the settling dust, and now the Outlanders that are coming from across the horizon. Sure, most of them settled with the main 3, but they're still their own thing.
2. Other technologies CAN be cultivated during war times. The computer(or it's forefather, I should say) was a WW2 invention with Alan Turing if I remember right. For an in-game equivalent you could look at Zahn-hu(?) And his gunpowder discovery and application into fireworks and the Pirate's pistol.
It's fair, you don't have to agree with me, but I do want to address your two points.
1.) Even if there are other factions beside the main three, they clearly were not strong enough or independent enough to be their own thing for long. Highlanders NEEDED to ally with the Vikings. Centurion and Gladiator NEEDED to ally with the Knights. If they were strong enough and independant enough to be their own thing, no alliance would be necessary. And I made this video BEFORE the Outlanders, so you can't really blame me for not including them.
2.) Firstly, the Turing machine was invented in 1936. WWII began in 1939. It was not a war time invention. Secondly, you use gunpowder as evidence of a wartime invention, but as I said in the video, the only inventions that will ever be made in wartime are weapons of war. And what was Zhanhu using the gunpowder for if not a weapon? Thirdly, While it is true that, historically, some inventions are made during wartime, the difference is that if a war is going on in Europe, it's easier for Americans or Asians to invent something when they are no where near the fighting. But in For Honor, all the factions are constantly at war with battles raging just within their territories. It's hard to have the time, drive, or resources necessary to invent quality of life devices when your very survival is in the balance.
@@RavenKnightYT I didn't say i totally didn't agree with you :)
I agree with you on everything except those 2 points I commented. There's a reason why i subscribe to your content.
Short answer da
long answer yes
When I was in high school, for three years straight I knew people who wholeheartedly believed that ignorance was a horrible thing
Then I went to a Native Studies class in my last year of high school and my teacher said this; “Ignorance isn’t a bad thing, it’s just something that should be acknowledged, if you don’t know something, don’t act on it until you do know more about it”
She was white as could be and got no complaints from the teacher there who was First Nations because this YOUNG WHITE WOMAN, learned everything she taught, she wasn’t ignorant, she wasn’t acting on false information, she wasn’t picking sides, she wasn’t ignorant, she was telling us the history of First Nations people
The Horkos want war because war makes us stronger, and it keeps us stronger for any upcoming bad things like invading forces (like the Wu Lin) but war doesn’t have to be the solution
It was still a WAR with the Wu Lin, because the Wu Lin weren’t facing off against rival tribes that were on their own, the Wu Lin were at war with all forces of Heathmoor, the unified forces of Ashfeld Knights, Myre Samurai and Valkenheim Vikings, but the issue here is that if those forces were unified, they should’ve been capable of dealing with the Wu Lin and sending the invading forces packing
The issue is that the powerful forces of the Black Prior, the Hitokiri, the Jormungandr and the Zhanhu weren’t ALWAYS ready to go, they had to PREPARE, they were secret weapons that needed to be dusted off when they should’ve been ready as soon as a conflict rose, just like every other warrior from the separate factions
The Horkos are separating the factions once again, to get them to go to war so that we’re strong, but in the process, we grow stronger by ourselves, meanwhile, Chimera just wants to go back to peace
A weak unified force, or strong individual forces, those are the choices we have, Chimera wants unity but allows weakness, while Horkos wants strength but denies unity
Neither side is good nor bad, both are just using very flawed approaches in what the main issue is; staying strong and ready for enemy forces when they come knocking, and a strong unified force is impossible to achieve, because through unity and peace, we grow weak, and through strength and war, we grow divided
No, their problem was they in middle of fighting each other they made themselves weak by getting into useless wars and they when an outside threat came they couldn't deal because they wasted their manpower
Your channel needs more attention, much like R6 Siege, Ubisoft uses multiplayer to continue the story, and For Honor has such a good one!
It seems like there's another faction coming in to for honor and it looks like the warmongers are working together with chimera
This video was beautiful ..Subscribed 👍🏾👍🏾
Long ago not that long ago the knights in the Vikings Samurai were all in a peaceful coexistence War like no other everything was great until communism arrived they struck with great velocity with their overpowered light attacks and fast light spanning the Wo lan
You forgot the loud autistic screams
@@miimiibeschde4818 yes
Can anyone give some sort of reason as for why Raven is not the lore guy in the warrior’s den livestream ?
When will you get a new intro Raven knight?
Do I need one? I mean, I can make one...if ya'll are tired of this one.
@@RavenKnightYT idk about every one else but I think you should make one thats original and shows people what your about
i wish they give for honor some budget
Yes.
I think they are building up for a new faktion
so what im hearing is the called the warmongers to help but then said its ending stop before they helped and now they found astrea and joined them to finish what they were called for?
Not really as much the Warmongers as the 4 cultist heroes that came before her, Jorm, Prior and them.
I think marching fire proves horkos wrong, peace was only very recently established everyone still remembered their reason to fight and how to fight, infact their reason to fight was reinforced, they were no longer fighting for just their own well being and protection they were also fighting for the right to fight...and yet they still lost
Same I love the storyline the character s and the truth behind humanity.
It honestly depends which side you look at it from. For those who support horkos, they could see themselves as heroes and then the rest of us as filth from the bottom of your shoe
2 years later and I gotta say this. Astrea is the Kylo Ren to Appolyons Vader, Horkos is the First Order to Appolyons Empire.
And the chimera is the rebellion?
Would be cool if the Wu Lin were just an expeditionary force for the Mongol Empite
Why is Horkos portrayed as a jester and why does his festival seem to be more inspired by medieval France during Fools festival than a cult of murderers coming together? Also heard you mention cannibalism in another video, where do I find this lore?
I'm not entirely sure why that is? Creative expression? Hahaha.
And yeah I did mention cannibalism. It's mentioned here: preview.redd.it/p442nm13rfp61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b3ec78e53141cf2f9775f4cbd5e47b5e7953d3f6
Great video!
This goes same for Japan post ww2
And if I was in the same place as appolyonn I would do the same thing it inevitable.
The Chad chimera: knows that strength is only of worth to protect the week also beligrant lamb
Simp Horokos: wants to involove everyone in there weird mommy kink
At the end of the day the Knights are the villains in For Hono(u)r so of course the Horkos are the villains after all Gryphon isn't a Knight. Even his default armour is viking.
Well...no. Firstly the knights are not the villains of For Honor, but even if they WERE the villains, Horkos is not just made up of knights. There are various other warriors from different factions in it too so.....that isn't even a real point.
But they are. Even their minions are knight/western European themed. Yes the occasional non knight hero shows up as horkos like the male jorm, female zian hu etc but the alternate heroes aka the horkos versions are all officially dead killed by chimera heroes. Also every story event has the players fighting for the chimera against the horkos.
Even horkos carousel portrays the horkos as the villains since your they're executing the zain hu assassin who tried to kill astrea
''is the order of horkos evil''
y-yes?
No chimera is evil
Bro you only LOSE manpower and resources in longterm battle. the truce was the PERFECT time to rebuilt because your population isn't focused on fighting (instead of farming or raising children) nonstop fighting with no breaks does not make an army stronger it makes them dead.
A truce and demilitarizing are entirely different things.
Warhammer lore they did progress a lot in terms of how to fight and new tech they do lose history but they did advance
"War stagnates progress and discovery"? You might want to brush up on history. War creates progress out of necessity to have an edge. There is a saying; 'If you want peace you prepare for war'.
You're missing the point. A culture or society constantly under the fires of war will not make advancements in technology, art, discovery, or society. The only advancements that can be made are those dealing in weaponry or armor, and even then they can only be discovered when the fighting stops. During WWII, America was perhaps the first to discover the nuclear bomb because our country, while fighting, was also SAFE from attack. Our society could afford to keep advancing without fear of our soil being attacked or hurt.
Some greatest ages of discovery in the world were the Industrial Age, the Renaissance, and the Technological Boom of the 90's, all times when the countries in question were at a time of relative peace where their societies could afford to grow and advance culturally. You'll notice that during times of war, the only advancements made are usually ones concerning military strength, not cultural improvement or technological growth.
Now you might be referring to the Cold War, but considering that the reason it's called the Cold War is because the USSR and America were not actually physically fighting each other, then the fact they were advancing to get an edge makes sense, but neither country was personally under fire or under attack.
A country that is constantly at war with no breaks, no truces, no periods of rest, will not breed artisans, scientists, and discoveries...they will only breed warriors and blacksmiths with the tools to wage war. That's what Heathmoore is.
And yes, I know that saying. It's a shortened version of a George Washington quote: "To prepare for war is one of the best ways to preserve peace." It has nothing to do with what your arguing. The saying simply means that a country, during peace time, must be prepared to fight if it wants to maintain peace. Meaning: a good country should train soldiers, make advancements while it can, and gain intel on its enemies. That way they are prepared if war breaks out to fight for peace. That saying does not mean "Even in wartime we're making discoveries to better ourselves."
But maybe...you should brush up on history.
@@RavenKnightYT I see your point of view and It can certainly be argued on both sides. I would agree cultural advancements wouldn't take place but I want you to do a little google search on all the advancements that came out of war. Velcro is one. Tons other like it that are so common place today you wouldn't even realize. So your correct and incorrect as am I. Now as to who more incorrect I'm not entirely sure I see your point and it holds water. But I know tons of advancements have been made during war minor maybe. Couldn't hold a candle to any enlightened periods of our species history certainly. But advancements non-the-less.
@@RavenKnightYT www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26935867
@@RavenKnightYT I just did a real quick search and linked it. Not extensive research but there are a couple in this article. Not all of them pertained to war. But pilot radios, stainless steel, vegan sausages are notable. P.s I find this interesting and am in know way trying to start an argument or troll you. Just a friendly debate where we both leave having learned something.
LET'S GO, BOIS!
In the word of sokka from avatar: Yes!
Blackstone legion was a better faction than this high fantasy retcon.
Is the Order of Horkos Evil? theyre red, so yes
Lol
Face reveal
When?
Let's aim for 2,000 subs. That'll be a good milestone to reveal my face.
Wait wait wait does this mean that other cultures are dead in this universe dammit that ruins my hopes and dreams of Maori warriors making it in the game oh well not a big loss I guess
Not exactly true; Plenty of cultures could have survived the Cataclysm, though they wouldn't be war ready in the slightest, especially when their population is decimated.
But 40k isn't constant war. Like in real war in 40k in 99% of the galaxy literally nothing is happening.
Each faction in 40K is in constant war. The Imperium of man is in constant war. The eldar are in constant war. The orks are in constant war. And so on. The literal tagline is: "In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war."
Did you seriously just compare the Horkos and Astrea to the Nazis and Hitler?
Why yes....yes I did actually. And I meant it.
Uhhh homie hate to break it to you, war is the reason for the evolution of technology. Which came first WWII or the ability to level a country with 1-3 bombs? 🫡
Aside from military weapons, what technology have we invented of a world changing nature in war time?
@@RavenKnightYT radar. 🫡
@@RavenKnightYTThe Internet. 🛜
@@RavenKnightYT Nuclear Energy.
Stop deleting my comments. List: Nuclear Energy, Radar, The Internet, Jets, and Digital Photography were all inventions of war that we use daily in civilian life. You took the L bud, eat it.
Yes.