Also, in our version the gold sink goal from KR for elixir is kinda out of frame for us, our content is so accelerated compared to your version that i don't think we needed this gold sink. Between the start of akkan mats until thaemine we will have 7 less month than you did, 7 months of maths and gold, so we basically have to reach the same thresholds but with millions of gold missing. Something isn't done well there
7 months, 4 weeks each. 28 weeks with a possible 100k gold earning with 6 chars and chaos gate + every raid. well... we are missing ALOT u are totally right!
Let's just say you had a 6 1600 gold earning roster ... 28 weeks is about 5.6 million gold, not including any drops you get ... and on average if you run tree rested for 28 weeks that's about 8k leap stones per person in each region (if the whole region had this). It's no wonder why KR leaps were so low, so fast, right? The crunch is brought on by community fomo showing SG and AGS that the Global client is willing to pay to get up to KR so they can think in a pipe dream they could compete with world firsts in the game completely forgetting that KR purchasing power of their whales makes global whales look like tiny little anchovies. Accelerating global was the biggest mistake they made.@@razhyel_
The problem is that discussing this literally pointless unless Korean players discuss about it. Our region will never get any changes that are unique to our region like China does for their own region (they are re-balancing raids and classes for their version only) Only changes we’ll ever get is the ones Korean playerbase advocates for.
stop dooming LMFAOOO we have NUMEROUS times last year. they went over to other regions and we don't know if that will happen with the cn changes. and it's almost certainly not a coincidence that the elixir changes coincided with our elixir release.
Another seriously annoying issue with this system is just how long it actually takes, usually as long if not longer than running Voldis in the first place if you're resetting bad choices.
Well said Memo, starting options are probably one of my biggest complaints about the system overall. If I cut an Elixir and the flow is bad (KEK) sure that's on me. But the week I got 35 Set I burned all of my Lego AND I bought 10 Purple just so I could cut a 4/0 Critical Gloves, which I think is pretty silly. For most folks that are just looking for the set, the experience is pretty miserable. Do you have your set? No. Did you get a Reset going 6 Blue and using all your Rerolls? No. Okay, well time to wait for next week.
Now that I have a 40 set, trying to fix the garbage set bonuses I have and getting actual dps options on chest, pants, and gloves ... I can see how this is a huge issue. but my complaint about elixirs isn't even the rng (albeit very horrid when you want to optimize) ... it's the amount of frigging time it takes to cut elixirs. And transcendence is no different. At least transcendence has a pity system but it still takes for frigging ever to do them. With no animation skips or anything. It's garbage imo.
@@saikame5833 Oh boy I feel your pain. I'm usually in Discord with friends so we are all kinda cutting together as a cool off towards the end of the night. Would be so helpful to just skip animation so I know if I'm wasting my time with a Reset or not
4:45 Potion Poisoning, Vagabond, and Explosive Expert being deleted would probably just increase the other 5 options to 12% and maybe 3 remaining commons as 4%. The drop table is 2 layers of RNG. It is 5% to roll glove type effect then 1 in 9 to roll the specific effect like Chaos. So deleting an option in the pool won't increase the rate for other options in different pools. That's my theory based on other games I've played. We have to specifically ask for 1) deletion of garbage effects and 2) an increased rate of both glove and helmet effects.
i have had this exact topic with a guild mate today and its so frustrating when u sit at 35/40 points but u can not find (in my case) the glove critical part. my suggestion would be, let ppl use 2 rerolls during this stage of the elixirs which get refreshed when u start cutting it. basically add 2 rerolls to this early stage because in theory yes u can use them at this early stage already but thats literally grief cuz u will need the rerolls later for when u hit an exhaust option and are in the sealing stage. at least i think that would be an acceptable step into the right direction without asking for too much.
What if they let you pick which armor piece you wanted options from. And only those options would have a chance of being shown? Along with the common ones obviously.
Im 330k Gold in and still no 35 Set and im for sure not to Dump for it ... every time i got unlucky and thats why this system sucks and sucks as a F2P all my gold and im close to Quit the Game. Im finaly on a point i cant and dont want to fight agains RNG s* Systems and RMT.
I have 22 char 1540-1603 missing half year of play and i think also quit this game , i lost alot of money for cuting even 7/7 stones few char only have 90+ quality weapon, never got single 100 quality weapon , spent on my mahe over 400k gold still dont have 90+ quality weapon was recrafting weapon few time , i m just mad on game , rng drop,rng craft,rng everything fu ck this bro , bull shit ,
I like the idea of getting rid of vagabond. I honestly hate seeing that option. One thing I would like to see, is some classes literally cannot utilize MP recovery. Or in the case of scrapper, soulfist and reaper, cannot use MP recovery or Resource Blessing. I wish you couldn't get these options on those classes, because they can't do anything for the class, and it's a wasted stat slot if you end up with it on your elixir. Sometimes you can just get shafted, since the game has a high probability of rolling one as a starting option.
But the issue is that AWS/AGS doesn't do anything against RMTers. In fact, a recent thread even came to light that people use bots to run Chaos. Like what happens in Korea, won't really affectr here. It's just a distatesful money sink.
I've been doing HM since the release in our version, so it's been 5 weeks now. I don't remember for the first week, but i'm sure of 1 thing, in the last 4 weeks of elixir cutting I've seen "master" appear ONCE, critical maybe 2 or 3 times. Counting all the elixirs I've had and the many times I managed to get a reset in order to get set bonuses I msut be at 50 attempts. For me this system is by far the worst I've seen in lost ark. I'm litterally time gated on 15% damages and there's nothing I can do against it, and nothing tels me i'll get it before Thaemine release...
I'm doing the voldis raid every week I only get the gold and I stopped clicking on the elixirs. I'm just spending gold and instead of having fun with the benefits of the new raid, I'm stressed that it won't change anything about my character like when I did kakul or kayangel,. Good job Smilegate.
I think they should just remove the fact you can get dps set on support and support set on dps.They could also delete luck set and that shield set. that would increase the chance alot. The gold sink argument is weak imo; they can improve the system and increase the gold cost.
Suggestion 1: they could make you freely select the FIRST elixir option, the other 4 can be as they are currently Suggestion 2: buff the "bozo" options, e.g. 98 mp at lvl 5 is nothing, increase it so it's actually useful for supports or mana addiction DPS; 7.1% more healing from potions is nothing, increase it to 25% so you can negate the cursed doll effect; 2.4% stag? make it 18% so you can simulate vph2 etc.
the problem with suggestion 2, is you can stack these options. Most people wouldn't stack them, but it is a possibility. You can stack potion poisoning from all your pieces and cancel out cursed doll at the moment. Same for mana and resource recovery. They are not BiS, sure, but like the other atk options, weapon power, atk power, etc. you can roll them on all your pieces. It adds up. Most DPS won't go for these options, but support can. You can roll MP on all your pieces and come out with a lot of MP at the end of it.
They designed this elixir system to deal with a problem spicific to one region (gold inflating from period without new content). Then released it unchanged in another region that didn't have the problem in the first place and wasn't ready in terms of ilvl. Not a great plan. In my region (eu) I usually see around 5-10 hard mode lobbies. 1 is bus (100k+) 1 is a whale grp, 1 is a sup selling himself and the others are 3/4 looking for sup :D (edit) oh and by whales in mean RMT andys, why would you buy gold ingame in west?
Option weighting is definitely my biggest complaint about elixirs... 2 weeks and I didn't see critical even with resets. Otherwise I enjoy them. You don't really need to delete any option to change the weighting.
I am one of those week one/two 40 Elixir lucker, who even have all the important stats like Ally Enhancement on 5 by now. And as a "bonus" i even have the free choice of Luminary, Advance and Faith at my disposal (Bard). But even i hate this system with a passion. It goes so far that i have sworn to myself to never EVER hone my current 1600-1610 alts to 1620, no matter what. Because if i would do so, the community expects you to have a standard 40 Elixir in the long run. While i accept to optimize my alts a bit with the important stats like Ally Enhancement or Boss Damage on lvl 3-4 with the Epic Elixirs, there is absolutely no way in hell that i go through the legendary Elixir and later on Transcendence System 6 times in total. And if the community decides to gatekeep my 1600-1610 alts in Brel HM, Akkan HM and Voldis NM in the future because i do not have a 35 Elixir, i will just call it quits and finally free myself of this job-like chore of a game.
The gold sink is massively to difficult to achieve. Just to hone to 1620 its like 2 million, then the rng on gold doing elixirs. Did like 4-5 it was like 40k.
It is a dog shit system. People can argue "its a skill issue", I have 2 guildmates who currently have a 43 set. They both help me cut elixirs and best they got me was a 4/2. Def a skill issue right, myb
hahahah same with me! my friends also helped me because they are already well advanced. we got 1 out of 20 ? I don't know what else to do. This System is shit.
It's just another system that winners can continue to win at and be extremely toxic to the people that don't win. On top of that, the amount of time it takes to cut these is disgusting.
I'm missing chest piece on bard for 40 set and I only need the max hp stat at 5/2 so I burned most of my reset gold just to look for the stat and I even swapped to purple elixirs and probably cut 12 of those only to find max hp once for it to be complete failure. Few of those purples elixirs I managed to reset like 15 times but oh god the max hp just wont come out. Remember brel and akkan when we only had to craft the armor and we be done and now instead of doing that we have to go through this bs rng cock shit system which doesn't even have pity in it. Spent around 2hours and 40k gold and didn't get anything from it except for a bad mode. This is way worse then the quality taps btw, at least with quality taps you don't sit getting cocked 2hours straight. I wanna play the game not roll the dice all day.
I have a hunch that this system was rigged from the beginning to incentivize players to buy and craft more than what the raid has to offer from the market. In 4 weeks of doing Ivory Tower hard mode, the Elixirs that I got/crafted from the raid alone did not give me anything more than 7 points, despite following all the guides, tips & tricks and even asking for aid. All of them were abysmal. As soon as I bought this week from the market, I managed to get 2 9 point Elixirs and was very close to get an 8 point one that would've secured the 40 points. All of them were no lower than 6 points. Same happened with my friends with the Elixirs they bought on the market. It is as if they are 'juiced'.
I don't have much issues with elixir cutting. I'd much rather cut elixirs than cutting 9/7 stones or bracelets getting a min/max stone or bracelet are bigger gold sinks vs getting 40+ set imo.
People always judge using their feeling without considering the facts. The fact is, its only take about 4-6 weeks of hardmode to get 40 set elixir, and it took about 4 weeks in normal mode to get 35 set. This is the average result in Korea and i have also experience it myself. 4-6 weeks is basically the same time it take for you to get full set of kayangel or akkan gear when these dungeons first came out. No matter how heavy the RNG is, the end result is what matters.
If you think that 4 weeks of epic elixirs for 35 set is common, you are delusional. Out of more then 40 ppl in my discord where most have at least 4 chars doing normal, we have currently 11 chars with lvl35 set. 11 out of around 160 characters.
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They keep adding/stacking these abominations rng progression systems on top of each other
At this point its self-sabotaging
Also, in our version the gold sink goal from KR for elixir is kinda out of frame for us, our content is so accelerated compared to your version that i don't think we needed this gold sink. Between the start of akkan mats until thaemine we will have 7 less month than you did, 7 months of maths and gold, so we basically have to reach the same thresholds but with millions of gold missing. Something isn't done well there
7 months, 4 weeks each. 28 weeks with a possible 100k gold earning with 6 chars and chaos gate + every raid. well... we are missing ALOT u are totally right!
Let's just say you had a 6 1600 gold earning roster ... 28 weeks is about 5.6 million gold, not including any drops you get ... and on average if you run tree rested for 28 weeks that's about 8k leap stones per person in each region (if the whole region had this). It's no wonder why KR leaps were so low, so fast, right? The crunch is brought on by community fomo showing SG and AGS that the Global client is willing to pay to get up to KR so they can think in a pipe dream they could compete with world firsts in the game completely forgetting that KR purchasing power of their whales makes global whales look like tiny little anchovies.
Accelerating global was the biggest mistake they made.@@razhyel_
just pay few hundred to amazon and u will be fine. That's all the logic
The problem is that discussing this literally pointless unless Korean players discuss about it. Our region will never get any changes that are unique to our region like China does for their own region (they are re-balancing raids and classes for their version only) Only changes we’ll ever get is the ones Korean playerbase advocates for.
stop dooming LMFAOOO we have NUMEROUS times last year. they went over to other regions and we don't know if that will happen with the cn changes. and it's almost certainly not a coincidence that the elixir changes coincided with our elixir release.
The worst thing about this system is the fact that it exists.
Another seriously annoying issue with this system is just how long it actually takes, usually as long if not longer than running Voldis in the first place if you're resetting bad choices.
Well said Memo, starting options are probably one of my biggest complaints about the system overall. If I cut an Elixir and the flow is bad (KEK) sure that's on me. But the week I got 35 Set I burned all of my Lego AND I bought 10 Purple just so I could cut a 4/0 Critical Gloves, which I think is pretty silly. For most folks that are just looking for the set, the experience is pretty miserable. Do you have your set? No. Did you get a Reset going 6 Blue and using all your Rerolls? No. Okay, well time to wait for next week.
Now that I have a 40 set, trying to fix the garbage set bonuses I have and getting actual dps options on chest, pants, and gloves ... I can see how this is a huge issue. but my complaint about elixirs isn't even the rng (albeit very horrid when you want to optimize) ... it's the amount of frigging time it takes to cut elixirs. And transcendence is no different. At least transcendence has a pity system but it still takes for frigging ever to do them. With no animation skips or anything. It's garbage imo.
@@saikame5833 Oh boy I feel your pain. I'm usually in Discord with friends so we are all kinda cutting together as a cool off towards the end of the night. Would be so helpful to just skip animation so I know if I'm wasting my time with a Reset or not
4:45 Potion Poisoning, Vagabond, and Explosive Expert being deleted would probably just increase the other 5 options to 12% and maybe 3 remaining commons as 4%.
The drop table is 2 layers of RNG. It is 5% to roll glove type effect then 1 in 9 to roll the specific effect like Chaos.
So deleting an option in the pool won't increase the rate for other options in different pools. That's my theory based on other games I've played.
We have to specifically ask for 1) deletion of garbage effects and 2) an increased rate of both glove and helmet effects.
i have had this exact topic with a guild mate today and its so frustrating when u sit at 35/40 points but u can not find (in my case) the glove critical part. my suggestion would be, let ppl use 2 rerolls during this stage of the elixirs which get refreshed when u start cutting it. basically add 2 rerolls to this early stage because in theory yes u can use them at this early stage already but thats literally grief cuz u will need the rerolls later for when u hit an exhaust option and are in the sealing stage. at least i think that would be an acceptable step into the right direction without asking for too much.
What if they let you pick which armor piece you wanted options from. And only those options would have a chance of being shown? Along with the common ones obviously.
Im 330k Gold in and still no 35 Set and im for sure not to Dump for it ... every time i got unlucky and thats why this system sucks and sucks as a F2P all my gold and im close to Quit the Game. Im finaly on a point i cant and dont want to fight agains RNG s* Systems and RMT.
I have 22 char 1540-1603 missing half year of play and i think also quit this game , i lost alot of money for cuting even 7/7 stones few char only have 90+ quality weapon, never got single 100 quality weapon , spent on my mahe over 400k gold still dont have 90+ quality weapon was recrafting weapon few time , i m just mad on game , rng drop,rng craft,rng everything fu ck this bro , bull shit ,
I like the idea of getting rid of vagabond. I honestly hate seeing that option.
One thing I would like to see, is some classes literally cannot utilize MP recovery. Or in the case of scrapper, soulfist and reaper, cannot use MP recovery or Resource Blessing. I wish you couldn't get these options on those classes, because they can't do anything for the class, and it's a wasted stat slot if you end up with it on your elixir. Sometimes you can just get shafted, since the game has a high probability of rolling one as a starting option.
i cut around 20 elixir every week across my three character doing ivory tower and i have not see critical for the past two weeks
i see it every week. On my bard on bound elixirs... krit damage set, awakening damage ... nearly every second elixier... but ONLY on my support.
@@razhyel_ you said exactly the same thing as the bard in my static. she saw critival almost every second elixir
But the issue is that AWS/AGS doesn't do anything against RMTers. In fact, a recent thread even came to light that people use bots to run Chaos. Like what happens in Korea, won't really affectr here. It's just a distatesful money sink.
I've been doing HM since the release in our version, so it's been 5 weeks now. I don't remember for the first week, but i'm sure of 1 thing, in the last 4 weeks of elixir cutting I've seen "master" appear ONCE, critical maybe 2 or 3 times. Counting all the elixirs I've had and the many times I managed to get a reset in order to get set bonuses I msut be at 50 attempts.
For me this system is by far the worst I've seen in lost ark. I'm litterally time gated on 15% damages and there's nothing I can do against it, and nothing tels me i'll get it before Thaemine release...
yep
I'm doing the voldis raid every week I only get the gold and I stopped clicking on the elixirs. I'm just spending gold and instead of having fun with the benefits of the new raid, I'm stressed that it won't change anything about my character like when I did kakul or kayangel,. Good job Smilegate.
Biggest issue is there's no pity system at all built in. You can get unlucky and go weeks without getting any upgrade from elixirs.
I think they should just remove the fact you can get dps set on support and support set on dps.They could also delete luck set and that shield set. that would increase the chance alot.
The gold sink argument is weak imo; they can improve the system and increase the gold cost.
Suggestion 1: they could make you freely select the FIRST elixir option, the other 4 can be as they are currently
Suggestion 2: buff the "bozo" options, e.g. 98 mp at lvl 5 is nothing, increase it so it's actually useful for supports or mana addiction DPS; 7.1% more healing from potions is nothing, increase it to 25% so you can negate the cursed doll effect; 2.4% stag? make it 18% so you can simulate vph2 etc.
the problem with suggestion 2, is you can stack these options. Most people wouldn't stack them, but it is a possibility. You can stack potion poisoning from all your pieces and cancel out cursed doll at the moment. Same for mana and resource recovery. They are not BiS, sure, but like the other atk options, weapon power, atk power, etc. you can roll them on all your pieces. It adds up. Most DPS won't go for these options, but support can. You can roll MP on all your pieces and come out with a lot of MP at the end of it.
@@PlasmoXso what. the game balance is not going to end because of this garbage stats lmao
They designed this elixir system to deal with a problem spicific to one region (gold inflating from period without new content). Then released it unchanged in another region that didn't have the problem in the first place and wasn't ready in terms of ilvl. Not a great plan.
In my region (eu) I usually see around 5-10 hard mode lobbies. 1 is bus (100k+) 1 is a whale grp, 1 is a sup selling himself and the others are 3/4 looking for sup :D
(edit) oh and by whales in mean RMT andys, why would you buy gold ingame in west?
Option weighting is definitely my biggest complaint about elixirs... 2 weeks and I didn't see critical even with resets. Otherwise I enjoy them.
You don't really need to delete any option to change the weighting.
SG needs to stop with all these RNG systems. Nobody likes to gamble on vertical progression. That is BS.
Blame the gold inflation in KR. 😂😂
I am one of those week one/two 40 Elixir lucker, who even have all the important stats like Ally Enhancement on 5 by now. And as a "bonus" i even have the free choice of Luminary, Advance and Faith at my disposal (Bard). But even i hate this system with a passion. It goes so far that i have sworn to myself to never EVER hone my current 1600-1610 alts to 1620, no matter what. Because if i would do so, the community expects you to have a standard 40 Elixir in the long run. While i accept to optimize my alts a bit with the important stats like Ally Enhancement or Boss Damage on lvl 3-4 with the Epic Elixirs, there is absolutely no way in hell that i go through the legendary Elixir and later on Transcendence System 6 times in total. And if the community decides to gatekeep my 1600-1610 alts in Brel HM, Akkan HM and Voldis NM in the future because i do not have a 35 Elixir, i will just call it quits and finally free myself of this job-like chore of a game.
as it is on brelshaza should be one drop of elixir normal and hard only different with quantity
The gold sink is massively to difficult to achieve. Just to hone to 1620 its like 2 million, then the rng on gold doing elixirs. Did like 4-5 it was like 40k.
The problem is the amount of rng you need to power up your characters in this game.
I got my 35 set 3 weeks ago and now I'm not getting a single 5-2. I can't talk about the amount of gold I've spent on it - ICANT
It is a dog shit system. People can argue "its a skill issue", I have 2 guildmates who currently have a 43 set. They both help me cut elixirs and best they got me was a 4/2. Def a skill issue right, myb
hahahah same with me! my friends also helped me because they are already well advanced. we got 1 out of 20 ? I don't know what else to do. This System is shit.
It's a gotcha game and that's the gotcha
Preach !
stayed noted, spam gigachad
how about they all have the same chance.....
It's just another system that winners can continue to win at and be extremely toxic to the people that don't win. On top of that, the amount of time it takes to cut these is disgusting.
DPS will get gatekeeping because they have bad RNG on elixirs.
The system as a whole sucks regardless of what bonus you get, I've spent a lot of gold
Bro I thought you were talking about elixir programming language
😅
I'm missing chest piece on bard for 40 set and I only need the max hp stat at 5/2 so I burned most of my reset gold just to look for the stat and I even swapped to purple elixirs and probably cut 12 of those only to find max hp once for it to be complete failure. Few of those purples elixirs I managed to reset like 15 times but oh god the max hp just wont come out. Remember brel and akkan when we only had to craft the armor and we be done and now instead of doing that we have to go through this bs rng cock shit system which doesn't even have pity in it. Spent around 2hours and 40k gold and didn't get anything from it except for a bad mode. This is way worse then the quality taps btw, at least with quality taps you don't sit getting cocked 2hours straight. I wanna play the game not roll the dice all day.
hate elixirs bullshit goldsink system that our version doesnt need because of how speed up things are for us...
I have a hunch that this system was rigged from the beginning to incentivize players to buy and craft more than what the raid has to offer from the market. In 4 weeks of doing Ivory Tower hard mode, the Elixirs that I got/crafted from the raid alone did not give me anything more than 7 points, despite following all the guides, tips & tricks and even asking for aid. All of them were abysmal. As soon as I bought this week from the market, I managed to get 2 9 point Elixirs and was very close to get an 8 point one that would've secured the 40 points. All of them were no lower than 6 points. Same happened with my friends with the Elixirs they bought on the market. It is as if they are 'juiced'.
elixir system is so ass
I don't have much issues with elixir cutting. I'd much rather cut elixirs than cutting 9/7 stones or bracelets getting a min/max stone or bracelet are bigger gold sinks vs getting 40+ set imo.
Getting min max lvl 40 set is going to be crazy expensive.
Getting a 7/7 stone or s 3-4 line bracelet is cheap.
Easy to say if you have good rng on elixirs.
People always judge using their feeling without considering the facts. The fact is, its only take about 4-6 weeks of hardmode to get 40 set elixir, and it took about 4 weeks in normal mode to get 35 set. This is the average result in Korea and i have also experience it myself. 4-6 weeks is basically the same time it take for you to get full set of kayangel or akkan gear when these dungeons first came out. No matter how heavy the RNG is, the end result is what matters.
4-6 weeks is not guaranteed. Anecdotal experience is not fact.
then you are a lucky one with that amount of time
If you think that 4 weeks of epic elixirs for 35 set is common, you are delusional. Out of more then 40 ppl in my discord where most have at least 4 chars doing normal, we have currently 11 chars with lvl35 set. 11 out of around 160 characters.
RNG ON TOP OF RNG -- people still don't have a 7-7 rock imagine to get 35 set
@@AlphaFrameOfficial do you understand what average means?
my god this change would be so good please smilegate do this