Lawyers, What was a CASE that was IMPOSSIBLE to Defend? - Reddit Podcast
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the Transition from story 9 to 10 made me laugh hard^^
Story 9: A tree on womans poperty fell into water and blocked her boat
Beginn of Story 10: "I work for a tree trimming company....."
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My Dad (an EMT) was once sued for sexual harassment after he performed CPR and saved a woman's life. For touching her breasts.
The union defended him superbly. Naturally. No good deed goes unpunished.
I always thought a phrase like “No good deed does unexploited” would fit better; usually it comes up when someone is trying to profit off someone else or take advantage of their goodwill, not when they’re treating the good thing as something bad.
The judge should have just compelled her to have a DNR
bracelet worn at all times while they are at it.
I am not surprised that she wanted to sue your dad, but that an attorney took the case. (Unless she had brought the case up herself). Who was her attorney? Lionel Hutz?
This is exactly why at least some male first responders refuse to assist women. It's just not worth the risk for them.
Dude breasts are in no way sexualized.
For those who don't know what double jeopardy means, it's essentially unable to be punished for the crime you have already been punished for. You can pay for an item with a dollar but you can't then pay for another item with the same dollar. You can however pay with another dollar. You can only be punished once per crime. And you will be punished for every instance of crime even if they are the same kind
You can be punished multiple times per crime if, for example, the feds, state, and locals all have a law about it.
Lets imagine I stole a car from an FBI agent while evading arrest. I could conceivably end up at a local, state, and federal court for the same crime; or subtly different ones, or very different ones. On the other hand, if I were charged with stealing that car, but they never recovered it, if I were caught driving it decades later, they couldn't charge me with stealing it again; but they might be able to charge me with possession of stolen property.
And if you killed that FBI agent, but they never found the body; charged you, and you were found not guilty; but 20 years later they found you with the corpse in your freezer; if you'd violated a federal law as well as a state one, they could still charge you with whichever one they hadn't done yet.
(If, however, you were charged with it, declared not guilty, and it turned out the man had faked his death? If you subsequently killed him and stuck him in the freezer, they would need to prove 100% that he'd died either in a different jurisdiction or after the not guilty verdict to convict; the old 'Double Jeapordy' movie, for example, would have worked if she had subsequently frozen her ex-husband's corpse to make it unknown when he'd died; but not if there were witnesses.)
@@duloth5518 That one's the "separate sovereigns" doctrine, and it's a doozy
@@duloth5518 So if you get wrongly convicted for murdering someone who turns up later alive and well, you don't have a free pass to murder them? That's disappointing.
You would have to do it carefully. The key to avoiding conviction would be no witnesses, and no way for the cops to confirm age of the body. Your best bet would be to strip them, mutilate the body, freeze it, and then tell the cops, now that you've done your time, where the victim of your decade-old crime was. Perhaps even, if out on parole, pretend it was a matter of trying to do right by the family so they can get some closure. @@tinnagigja3723
It also means if the government tries you and loses they can't just try again (one reason that in serious crimes prosecutors sometimes only bring part of the charges that they could).
Yeah, cops usually need an arrest warrant to knock down your door and grab you, but there's an exception for hot pursuit (i.e. multiple cops saw you commit the shooting and run home). No warrant needed in that case, they can just break into whatever place they saw you run into.
simple solution: turn your house into a bunker, made of strong materials. scream through 3ft thick walls "WARRANT?"
@sociablefish If they're on your tail, you won't be able to bunker up in time.
no they still need a warrant.
@@KopperNeoman I assumed they meant that the house is bunkered up before the crime is committed.
@@GiordanDiodatoin hot pursuit they need not a warrant.
If I got just shy of a million dollars and my legal council asked for 270k, I'd send them 270k and a fruit basket. Geez Louise.
That kind of money, if properly invested can provide you for life. I wouldn't be mad if it was 50% lol
Story #8: if the man is as devout as he seems, then he should see this situation for what it is; God's way of telling him to not have any more kids, 7 is quite enough.
7 is a holy number shoulda taken the hint
People like that see women as property from what I can tell
God was doing this man a favor and was being unthankful for it
It was not an uncommon practice to sterilize a patient that "medical professionals" thought to have too many offspring. If incompetence, negligence, and malfeasance could all be blamed for an outcome then a malpractice suit may very well have been in order. Denying a man of competent council because you think his "damages" won't merit a significant payday is disgusting.
Some people just believe that bearing more of God's children is their goal: having a country populated by the most devoted to God.
Story #12 is almost verbatim my best friend and her brothers father. Sadly, he was disowned by his rich family before the kids were even born, so they'll never see that money
Really sorry to hear that.
Story 23: THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A DEATH THREAT!!!
You mean 24?
Story 4 is what a famous pizza chain did use to do and it was a 30 min or less and you get your food for free type thing. They ended it after a bunch of accidents and several deaths by their delivery drivers trying to get to the houses in under 30 minutes.
16:20 That Nike catch phrase is one of those that I really think should not be copyrightable. The words "just do it" is one of those short phrases that just about anybody will have heard at one point or another. We all have those moments when we are unhappy about the task being given to us and get told to "just do it".
Technically it isn't copyrighted, it's a trademark. It's to prevent brand confusion. No one cares if you just tell someone "just do it" but if you try to use that phrase for commercial purposes that's when Nike will come after you.
Trademarks are really frivolous at times. Disney tried to trademark day of the dead when they had those movies come out. Imagine trying to trademark an entire holiday celebrated since Aztec times for your movie. Or Taylor swift who trademarked catchy phrases like “this sick beat” and “party like it’s 1989” I think she has about 300ish trademarks?
It isn’t a copyright, it’s a trademark, and you’ll only get in trouble if you use it for commercial purposes.
@@Vgamefrk1yea. Taylor Swift is one of the worst I've seen. I see that as greed and as a result I'm unable to like her.
4:09 That one PO's me to no end. A person's life is in danger, and the SoB only cares about the wife like she's a breeding sow. Bastard.
I'm with you. So much for spouses being each other's best friends in life; in _his_ eyes, all she is is property.
If divorce is legal in _their_ culture, then she should take it.
Sounds like the guy was Islamic. Funny thing is Islamics are one of the few religions that still practice polygamy. He could have just gone abroad and taken a second wife.
Sad but true: Some religious communities frown on both childless families and divorce. Lack of empathy is also common in such communities, as evidenced here.
I once had someone try to sue me for refusing to perform a puppet show for her church because she's african. This is partially true. I refused to perform because she is IN Africa and I am not.
Yeah, nice try misleading people like that.
gonna stop you right there.
case 2: lawyer taking a 40% cut in a personal injury case, even if its industry standard. does not feel like SHE's the one being greedy here.
sounds like we've identified why there are too many lawyers. 40% cut is WAAY too much. and if its industry standard, thats...ugly. like I'd fully support wiping the slate clean and getting rid of all lawyers if that was the case. you are a Problem for society at 40%.
Still, he charged way below standard, so she did not have a case and that should have been obvious.
40 years? For a crime that severe (the one resulting in paralysis) it should be a life sentence. The victim essentially has a life sentence.
40 years is a lot and he was drugged(no excuse though)
Imagine doing a crime at 20 and being there until 60 years old
You would have changed(considering how American prisons are, not for the best, ideally he would change)
And prison conditions are so bad he probably got a life sentence anyways
it hurts deeply to think you could just have your life ruined instantly by a crazed stranger. whether myself or someone i care about. like how do you cope with that.
some of these go to show that a defense attorney's job isn't necessarily to get an acquittal-it's to protect the defendant's rights and pursue the best outcome they can. Guilty defendants need representation, too.
For Story #13, isn't it legal to fire someone for belief that they've committed a crime against the employer, even if their belief was patently false, and even if the allegation was so provably false that it would absolutely be a slam dunk case for defamation in most other circumstances?
It depends on where you live
In some countries it isn’t legal and in the US, for example, you can fire someone for just about any reason that doesn’t violate the civil rights amendments.
Lawyers frequently take a 40% fee on injury claims as standard?! Good grief what a monopoly. I consider that impossible to defend.
That last story: Guy be like “base! I’m touching base!”
"Safety!"
I love double jeopardy cause so many people want to use it but it one works in cases where you can’t be tried in murder of a person you already murdered
The fact that lawyers can justify taking 40% and then claim their clients are greedy is crazy
For case 13, maybe the embezzling was discovered after she was fired for other reasons.
Story #23 man
"It was not a threat, I just said it because" **explains the dictionary definition of a threat**
6:29
In the name of all that’s good, this is not how double jeopardy works. Don’t do this yourself.
Im confused about story 13. Someone embezzles money from a company, gets caught and fired and that person gets to sue for unfair dismissal?
You can sue for anything, just expect to get b1tch slapped by the judge for being a moron.
2:14 my friend got into because a guy did a piece for her, she claimed he didn’t tell her he’d put his signature near the piece but he used the same “artist has to sign his work” argument as the graffiti artist, he’s a tattoo artist…
don’t say egg or I’ll break you
(Edit)mom get the camera!
Egg
Gge
Geg
Smol chicken in sphere
Degg
That Judge Judy clip where the guys were on trial for stealing a woman’s purse, and while the woman is listing the items stolen one of the guys literally says “that wasn’t in the purse”😂
This is a case a friend told me about. It involved her cousin who sued her stepmother over some heirloom jewelry that her mother left for her. Cousin said that it was specifically stipulated in her mother's will that she get the jewelry among other things. She got everything except the jewelry. Stepmother claimed that cousin's mother did not leave the jewelry to her but wanted it to go to her daughter instead. This was news to just about everyone and stepmother said she had a copy of the amended will that stipulates this.
After weeks of going back and forth, step-mom finally produced this "amended" will. According to my friend, anyone could tell that it was a very poor Photoshop copy of the original will but with easily noticeable cut and pastes of the cousin's mother's signature, and witness signatures, one of which was the lawyer that was representing the cousin in this hot mess, and it was just bad.
Step-mother's lawyer looks at the document and then at her and tells her "I'm not about to submit falsified evidence to court. So either give cousin the jewelry or look for another lawyer and prepare to spend some time in jail."
1:00 just sounds like the average strong American citizen always wanting to sue
No case is impossible to defend
Some just are really hard and have bad defenses
“There’s a good reason my client murdered this man!! She was asking for it!! I mean, her heart was right there, just asking to be stabbed!”
That was used by the guy in a tell tale heart
The guy could have said that the "6 feet underground" thing wasn't a death threat, and that instead he merely meant he would bring her to a location that happened to be 6 feet underground. Cause the phrase "put you 6 feet underground" doesn't necessarily imply that you're going to kill them. It doesn't matter that pretty much everyone knows it's supposed to be a death threat, as long as he makes use of plausible deniability he could weasel his way out of it
Why was he holding a knife while making that statement? Duh, he was going to prepare dinner soon and was getting a knife out to start cutting up ingredients. As long as the prosecution can't prove otherwise, that's a perfectly plausible defense
TREE LAW! TREE LAW! TREE LAW!
Most defense attorney's are getting cases they cannot defend because their job isn't to defend their clients innocence, it's to makes sure their client gets a fair trial. Most of their clients are guilty and they just need to make sure the evidence against them is legal and the trial itself the same. People think a defense attorney's job is to get their guy off, and while some offer their services like this, that's not how their role works in the justice system. Their role just happens to lead to that outcome.
Story 11: Not going to lie, I once thought that was how double jeopardy worked. But I was in middle school at the time.
Not surprising how many of these stories involve alimony or extra alimony (child support) considering how unethical the practice is.
What’s unethical about it?
@@ludmilamaiolini6811 child support is when the government takes money from one parent (the father) and gives some of it to the other parent (the mother) while pretending the money is for the child. The parent who receives the money is under no obligation to show how the money is spent or even spend it in a certain way. This is because the money isn't for the child. The money is for the mother and the collection agency, especially the collection agency. The money is so much for the collection agency that the collection agency will threaten to take your kids away if you try to make out of court arrangements or simply try to refuse child support.
18:15 It genuinely sends me that this guy thought that saying "it was not a threat, it was a statement" is a defence. If it changes anything, it makes it worse.
This was certainly interesting, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.😢😊
Story 4, I am a bit confused as to why the pizza company gave a free pizza to make up for it that wasn't what was ordered so as to make sure they weren't giving him something he couldn't eat.
Yeah, bad idea on the behalf of the pizza company, but if anything, that should be settled with a complaint to the company, not a lawsuit.
Im not lawyer but id assume anything involving child neglect (endangerment, assault/rape, abuse) .
It's sometimes hard to determine what's actual child abuse though. There's a continuum between "perfectly good parenting" and "horrible child abuse" and plenty of borderline cases come to the courts.
There's also plenty of cases in which the parents cover it up well enough until the child dies or moves out. CPS fails a lot of kids...
Unless the tree that falls damages public works, it's your responsibility, but if it falls across powerlines let's say, they remove it.
Man in story 23 is something else entirely 😂😂😂😂
Loved the "But an artist has to sign his work.....Oh...."
A lot of people who sue have no clue how expensive lawyers are. You truly can’t afford one. The fees are sometimes calculated based on percentage of the win(judgement) so people with poor math skills really should take the time to figure it out to avoid surprise.😂
How TF can you TRANSFER a liquor license?! That makes zero sense.
I play this game on my phone! I never imagined seeing it anywhere! :00000000
İllumigatthi's lastest shitshow. She's suing Wonderstruck Guy.
İf you know the drama, illumigatthi will never win the case.
"He fought okay for a pro se." Absolutely 100% heard that to the tune of "Pretty Fly For A White Guy."
You know, my brain made up its own clickbait but thinking the title meant "Theorectically impossible to defend but here's how we did it." Nope that's just what it says on the tin.
story 2 makes me wonder why a lawyer would ever take a case from her again after that.
some pizza places did promise to have the pizza made and delivered within 30 mins but that was in the 90s/00s and its super rare for me to get one that fast now.
This I don't understand about American Prisons (aside from all the other things I don't understand). When you go into the military as a woman, you are required to take a mandatory pregnancy test. All recruits, regardless of sexual activity.
I don't understand why the same thing isn't done for prison intake for female inmates.
Story 6, sounds like Ken Penders
My only critic is that Leorio, is a doctor, not a lawyer.
The obviously mistook him for Phoenix Wright lmao
Oh also you mean critique
@@commiecomrade2644 Potato Patato Pickanle Pinnacle, i didn't know how to spell it. 🤷
Story 8: That's the problem with religion. They redefine and rebrand words. Faith is a good thing, despite sharing a definition with "gullibility". Good for the Church to better con you, not so good for your finances. Religious devotion is just a polite way to say someone swallowed the con hook, line, and sinker. It'd be more accurately described as sunk cost fallacy or being thoroughly brainwashed. Christianity outright states that women should be property, second-class citizens, and have little value beyond their functions as domestic servants and brood mares. Why would any self-respecting woman think being a Christian is, in any way, a good thing for them? The ones living it up in this life are the preachers, glorified over-paid arrogant story tellers with a con-artist background. And they promise you'll get your turn after you give them 10% of your lifetime gross income. You know, when it's too late to demand a refund.
And then you get into the hypocritical cherry picking of selective outrage in the Christian zeitgeist. Any religious bigot in DUMerica will tell you that "God hates gays", and large numbers of them will protest anything LGBT. This position has some scriptural backing. But when was the last time you saw a group of Christians protesting barber shops, jewelry stores, blended fabrics, fancy clothing boutiques, bacon, Red Lobster, or tattoo parlors? Because the same part of the bible that tells you to hate the gays also says God also hates haircuts, shaven beards, fine jewelry, clothing made of blended fabrics, fancy clothing, eating pork, eating shellfish, and tattoos, among other things.
Which kind of Christianity? there are several, you know. also, if it demanded women be property, why is Mary so deeply venerated and how did women like Saint Joan of Arc come to be?
@@TheCombatEditor62 Which versions of Christianity claim women should be 2nd class citizens? Off the top of my head, every version that includes 2 Timothy or Deuteronomy in their biblical canon. The language used in the English version of Genesis 2 suggests that woman is supposed to be a mere helper instead of an equal partner.
Read up on what the bible says about war brides. Then read up on how the bible treats grape (silent g). It's not a crime against the woman. It's regarded as a serious property crime against her male guardian (be that husband, father, or other male caretaker).
A little rusty on our history and gospels are we? Typical biblically illiterate DUMerican. Barely opened the bible, but supremely confident about the contents. At least I have the excuse of it not being my holy book. You're just a moronic blowhard spouting bullshit.
Mary is revered as the mother of Jesus. That's largely the beginning and end of her contribution and significance to the story. God didn't ask her permission before knocking her up. I don't recall her character getting any development or opinions being explored. Riddle me this: how many speaking lines did she even have in the gospels? I looked it up, she speaks 4 lines in the gospels. And none of them seem particularly significant to me.
Excuse me? Joan of Arc was elevated as a figurehead for the French army and executed as a heretic by the English under religious pretenses. And then it took something like 500 years before the Catholic Church made her a saint.
Hit the nail right on the head
@@GodofToast Thanks friend.
Living the way Jesus says you should live is a good way to get poor, and destroy your health. Have a disease or an illness? It's a demon and you need to pray for healing. If you don't get healed then it's your fault for not having enough faith. Continue long enough and you may find yourself with a very curable illness that will end you if it's not treated. On top of giving 10% of your income to a church, you're also to give to a poor person every single time you see one. Watch how quickly your money drains away. How many Christian hypocrites don't spare a glance at the poor? How many Christian women wear skimpy clothing at the beach? How many Christians have $ex before marriage? I'd bet you 99% of them do. My own grandmother who is very devoted wears jewellery and fancy clothing, and many members of my family who are Christians wear earrings, and some also have tattoos. They also go for their haircuts on the regular, and watch movies and tv shows (which the bible is also against as they are worldly things).
Story #6: This reminds me of a guy who I met in college. He and I were both born in 1999 and he told me that he wanted to become an character designer for cartoons. One day he told me that he was actually trying to sue Seth MacFarlane because he stole his character designs from his cartoon that he was working on. The cartoon that he was referring to was Family Guy, which came out in 1999 😑
the fact you put leorio on the thumbnail when hes a doctor
Yooo I've played the game in the background it's called Race The Sun: Challenge Edition
Yeah,if you're going to dispute copyright,at least check when the copyright was filed against when you were born...
Ask anyone who’s decided to take on Mango Mussolini as a client.
Who and why?
Man i love leorio on the thumbnail lol
Story 8 (scratching head) there are still options. He could've asked the doctors to try to save the ovaries, and they probably could have. Harvest some eggs, take a sperm sample, make a heartfelt plea for someone from his congregation with a compatible blood type to surrogate the resulting embryo(s). I think that's something that can be done with today's technology. Not cheap, but if he had the resources to fund a lawsuit...
Man's hardline on his religious beliefs and would prolly not agree to unnatural methods of conception like surrogates. Heck he seems like the type to demand the egg be implanted into the surrogate and insist on finishing the job himself, unzipping his pants.
I remember that game from around 10 years ago, it's called Race The Sun
Case #14, every once in a while, you see narcissists who marry themselves. Did that girl do just that, or did she in some other way flex her "partnering up with herself" on social media while still taking the money? That idea is so weird, yet I'm so familiar with narcissistic flexes, that I can't help but wonder if there's a connection...
I thoroughly enjoyed this
The fat one had me fuming.
Condo association at it's finest
#23 literally tried to use "it's a prank bro" as a legal defense
The first one i was like ‘Bojack?’ Like how does a real person mess up that bad? Were they trying to relive the past or what? Because a daughter is not a clone of the mom.
That 30 min pizza thing was real. Domino's did it then stopped due to accidents and such seen a documentary that had it in there
2:23 Am I hearing things or was that a near close to perfect impression of the judge from “History on trial” ?
That's funny to think that because you were charged previously for the same charges, you can't be charged again😂
Story #28: Guy was playing too much GTA!
A fallen tree? Really? When i fall in the water, its everybodys tree!
The gameplay 😤
Some of these...you've got to wonder how they think courts work...
Try to evict one for being fat falls in the category of discrimination you end up being sued yourself
Did the last guy think Dr. McNinja was a history book?
Did someone mistake Leorio from HxH for Phoenix Wright? LOL
Story 8: I have no doubt that, in America, if the theocrats really took over, they would ban hysterectomies right along with abortions.
It shouldn't be possible to not be able to defend. You might just have to argue less punishment.
What’s the game in the background?
Does the guy from Story 23 know what a “threat” is?..
Does anyone know the name of the game he's playing?
Could someone please explain story 16 at 9:05. The story is so tightly summarised, and uses several unexplained legal terms, that I can't understand what the issue was or why it was a problem. Thank you!
Some company (the client), patented something they invented, and try to sue a bunch of other companies (the defendants) for "infringing" it. The storyteller works for a law firm (the bosses, the employer) doing a shady practice of their own: they know (from the storyteller) that they can't win because the patent is written badly or is bogus in the first place, but instead of telling that to the client, they represent the client in court anyway, and bill the client huge sums of cash for it. Because they can't win anyway, the firm gives these cases to their worst attorneys to cut costs. The firm later died, i assume because they were bad to employees + one of their schemes didn't work out + they got caught on their illegal and unethical practice.
@@arcturuslight_ Cool, thank you.
I’d you don’t mind, how does double jeopardy work in contrast to how the Story #11 guy thought it did? I hope not to end up in court one day, but just in case, I’d like to know what I can and cannot defend myself or others by.
Double Jeporady is where you're charged with the exact same crime from the exact same case as in the case is reopened after you were declared innocent or charged whereas his thing was the same crime in multiple cases.
@@zukanamee That makes more sense than “I’ve committed arson before, you can’t charge me again” or whatever. Thanks!
Also a very important thing to understand for the live of God do not defend your self because of a loophole in the Miranda rights "anything you can can and will ve used against you in the court of law" "used against you"
@@wolfyblackknight8321
My son tried that defense in a sexual assault case. It went as well as you'd expect.
Focusing on the wrong thing, but Race The Sun is a great game.
Does anybody know the game he's playing in the background? It almost looks like it's a homage to an old flash game called CubeField.
It's called "Race the sun"
Look up deletelawz trial
yo whats the game in the background
@amithegenius You sound like LegalEagle!! LOL
Story #25: this is what im actually afraid of to this day what can happen (has never happened)
Ok so i dont wanna be THAT guy but im really high, and the video was amazing to hear while playing but now i wanna play the game thats on the backgorund of this video... does anyone knows the name of it? plsss
These stories are exactly why we will never get a reformative justice system.
What the hell at 10:47 the lawyer said nothing let him go to jail
40% fees???
My lawyer charged 50% because my case was a longshot and taken on complete contingency with no retainer. We won and I didnt have to do anything so I am happy but yeah 40% is pretty standard for contingency cases.
I came for Leorio.
All these clients here must have been taking stupid pills to think they could win these cases
Race the sun (game in the background at the beginning)
The woman in case 3 is cheap af
egg
Ace attorney