Want some recommendations? Here are some great 4K movies of classic films. Jaws 4K: amzn.to/416F3qj 2001: A Space Odyssey 4K: amzn.to/40ME91J Casablanca 4K: amzn.to/3ZwGbC2 Double Indemnity 4K: amzn.to/3M77vUI Grease 4K: amzn.to/40tfv6N It’s A Wonderful Life 4K: amzn.to/40lygsF Apocalypse Now 4K: amzn.to/3zltOyk
With respect, the very best 4K UHD disc I've ever seen is Alien (1979). The black levels combined with a lack of noise (there's appropriate film grain, but not excessive noise), and the excellent audio master, is amazing.
I’ve owned It’s A Wonderful Life on all the major formats since VHS and it’s never looked better than on 4K. Loving your videos - thanks for all the great content from your fans in the UK!
out of my small collection. Alien (1979) on 4k is the one that absolutely blows my mind of how good it looks. It looks better than the other 4ks I own today that was shot modernly.
Yes! I own Alien on 4k bluray as well. I saw Alien back in '78 or '79 in the theatre and not only does the 4k bluray release look better, but It is the best looking 4k movie I've ever seen.
This movie might actually get me into film making lol. I went to go visit my mom on my birthday, I had gifted her a big nice TV and I was sleeping on the coach and felt like watching a late night movie. I chose alien and was actually blown away with how insanely beautiful the movie was. The movie on that TV at night alone was just such a shock. I always enjoyed Alien, but watching it again was mind-blowing. The movie is gorgeous.
You are so right. I’m way more excited to see older films on 4K then the current crop. Movies like Jaws, the Thing, the Shining, Lost boys, Blade Runner just made me so happy. Finally getting to show my kids why these are classics. Presentation matters.
Old movies on 4K really are the true demonstrations of how good 4K is in general. Buying a 4K digital movie won't give you the same experience because the differences just aren't present enough.
the only movie that i could say that is justice to 4k is SUicide squad by james gunn, uses 4k dpi cgi and everything is 4k! IT looked incredible on my oled.
I loved ‘Alien’ as a young person, watching it many, many times on VHS on a crappy TV. And that was forever engrained in my mind…exactly like that. So, I was shocked to watch it on Blu-ray on a plasma TV. Oh wow! Now, imagine on OLED in 4k. I need to upgrade.
I've always loved the smooth organic roll off of blown out highlights on film over the hard clipping of overexposure shot digitally. The scene in Licorice Pizza with the older woman backlit in her office while smoking a cigarette is a great example
I just watched Apocalypse Now for the first time ever last week on 4K. Outside of it being a great movie, I was blown away with how it looked. Absolutely stunning.
Just imagine how these directors would feel about shooting a movie in 4K or 8K resolution on film back in the day, only for the end product to be distributed on VHS tape. Back in the day you really had to watch a movie in a theatre for the best experience, but now we can enjoy this at home as well. Home technology has finally caught up!
To be fair, there wasn’t home releases, so the experience was truly special and significant to go to the theatre. I’ve watched masters of some of these older films when I was in school, my young brain couldn’t comprehend how sharp, vibrant and clean film was. Videotape really muddied the perception of “classics” for a lot of people. Especially the older generation, they forgot what it was supposed to look like.
Technically they actually were 4k and 8k because film is much MUCH more sharper than a typical 1080p or 4k display. There are no pixels on film, since the entire film is a capturing service, so its almost immeasurable. A high quality film could be recaptured in 16k or 32k and still look better each time.
I purchased a Samsung 4K Blu-ray player player recently. Paired with my Sony Bravia 65" OLED with Dolby vision and Dolby Atmos add Polk Sigma Soundbar with subwoofer and Dolby Atmos. First two films I bought were jaws and Inception and yes Jaws was amazing. One you didn't mention and I feel is noteworthy is Blues Brothers. The music end the car scenes are amazing. When they were driving around the mall it was crazy! Such a beautiful copy with great audio on a beautiful screen it was almost like seeing it for the first time. Thanks for the video, you clarified some things for me. And I'm definitely starting a collection!
65mm has far greater resolution than 8K. 65mm = 12K. 65mm IMAX = 18K. When a 65mm print is scanned at 8K, the digital file size can be 30 terabytes or more.
I heard films can sometimes have certain clips filmed in imax so when the film screens in imax theaters those special clips would have a greater impact than the films overall 4k resolution.
65mm does not have 'far greater' resolution than 8K. In fact, when the 65mm Lawrence of Arabia was scanned in 8K, concentric lines on the camera negative where seen in 8K that were a result of the scorching heat in the desert when it was filmed. And yet, no one ever saw that at the cinema. Why? Because film aficionados always conveniently ignore the fact that no one ever saw the original negative at the cinema, but only the duped and printed positives where at least half of the resolution was already lost. And since you need four times the pixes to aquire double the resolution (2 times horizontal and 2 times vertical), the real world print quality of 65mm film is 4K digital equivalent at best. The real advantage film prints have here is that digital projectors tend to have problems with dynamic range, but then again a digital file will stay the same whereas film prints wear and tear. This is therefore a problem of projection, not digital by itself. And by the way, if you film directly into 8K digital, which some movies actually do, you will also get massive file sizes, so I fail to see why this could be seen as an argument as to why 'film is better'. It really isn't. In fact, objectively digital is way better, because it's much closer to reality. But the thing is that movies are essentially dreams, which is why a dream-like aesthetic works better for them. This is what some film stock with the correct lights can provide and it is here where films shines. But only if done well, and that happens only rarely.
My greatest 4k restoration experience has to be 'An American Werewolf In London' from the 80's. I'd never watched it (I'm more of an Evil Dead guy) my wife bought the Arrow release for me (she's a massive fan of the film) and damn watching it for the 1st time was an amazing experience. The story, tone, characters, soundtrack and the high res image was just something else. Amazing!
Getting older movies in 4K is hands down the best thing about the format. Seeing these old films with so much more detail and color is astounding. Getting The Shining on 4K blew me away when I first saw it and still does today. I recently got Dragonheart on 4K. It's one of my childhood favorites and it looks gorgeous! I love hearing when my favorites are finally coming out on 4K. Right now I'm super hyped for the release of 12 Angry Men in a few weeks. It's one of my favorite dramas since I was in drama class. I can't wait to see how good it looks. Black and white films are very underrated when it comes to the 4K format as well. The detail we get out of them can be pretty spectacular.
For me, some of the most INCREDIBLE-looking 4K discs I have ever seen include Blade Runner 4K, 2001: A Space Odyssey 4K, and Apocalypse Now 4K. I would VERY highly recommend those as being among some of the best-looking 4K discs on the market.
Love your channel, but want to make two corrections (Disclaimer: I have produced commercial Blu-rays): "Fully uncompressed blu-ray discs" aren't a thing. 1080p Blu-rays use either MPEG-2, H.264, or VC-1 compression; there is no way to make one uncompressed (unless you were talking about the audio, which can be uncompressed). Also, removing film grain is not as cut and dry as "it's been scrubbed clean of detail"; like any restoration process, there are adjustments for the film material. If done properly, you can reduce grain without losing detail. It may surprise you to learn that some transfers remove all grain because the source was 16mm, then *add synthesized grain back in* to try to make the film look more like film. (Noise removal is actually a part of the next-generation AV1 codec we will see used in 8K transfers, which removes it for better encoding, then adds it back in on playback.) Every transfer is different and grain removal is not always a bad thing.
an added wrinkle is how OLED causes a "judder" effect which you have to try to balance with motion smoothing. So not only is FILM still different from DIGITAL cameras, the presentation on TV varies a lot depending on whether it's OLED, LCD and what processing is enabled in the video chip. I kind of miss having a 32" CRT television and DVD player in 1999 where I didn't have to think about all this stuff.
Digital will never fully capture the look of film. They've been trying for decades to do it, and have never been able to. Digital can never look good as film, period. They would have been able to do it by now. Film is superior.
Classics (circa 1920's to 80's/90's) are definitely the way to go with 4K: • Shot on physical film so no hard resolution "limit", meaning insane detail • Restored meticulously so they look better than ever • HDR is literally like seeing them "for the first time" (yes, even B&W movies) • A lot of cult/low budget films getting the love they deserve right out of the gate (slashers, gialli, horror, old sci-fi, etc) • Many classics already have 4K scans so bringing them to disc is a bit less complicated and time consuming
Film absolutely has a hard resolution: the size of the grain particles. For regular 35 mm film, that tends to max out at about 3K. Yes Kodak claims it can be upto 6K, but they don't mention that's only with the best stock under ideal conditions that never happen in the real world. Sure, you can scan that 35mm at 8K or more, but that won't give you 8K resolution as it isn't in the source in the first place. Fact is I have never seen any 35 or even 65mm film whose 'insane detail' cannot be matched or surpassed by digital cameras.
HI, im your big fan from China. 2001: A Space Odyssey is such a great movie. In my life i have watched it for more than 140 times. It inspired me to undertake my R&D career. I used to watch it on my XBOX ONE S, Now i use my PS5 to play this 4k disk.
I have Jaws, Casablanca, Apocalypse Now and Double Indemnity and they all look phenomenal! Probably the best these films have looked outside of the big screen. Let’s hope other older films get great 4K transfers as well, keep up the great work Jeff, take care!
I have Jaws, Poltergeist, Halloween, Halloween Season of the Witch, Rebel Without a Cause, It's a Wonderful Life, Apocalypse Now, The Mummy Trilogy ( individually), Child's Play, The Howling, and The Lost Boys on 4K. Most of my physical media collection is still blu-ray because most modern blu-rays are shot in 2K with a 4K scan.
4k UHD is a godsend for classic film lovers. The most impressive 4k I've seen is large format 65mm and anything shot on real 3 strip technicolor. They are rare though
90% of my movie collection is older 4K's now I love revisiting a classic in 4K and being blown away by how good/new it looks and sounds! 😍 Great insightful video Jeff, Keep up the awesome work 💚
AFAIK, the oldest film that's been released on 4k is "Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari" (The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari) from 1920--it's 103 years old. It looks gorgeous.
I second My Fair Lady, they did a really good job with the restoration and tasteful application of HDR. I’ve not seen Ten Commandments, but I’ve read really good things about it.
@@davidbenning10 Oh yeah, Ten Commandments is up there. If My Fair Lady hadn't supplanted it, I would have rated it as the best looking older film on 4K. Both are Paramount titles and it shows the work and care that they put into the restorations.
@@pewburrito I remember video games are the reason why I started watching older movies as a kid. I played Red Dead Redemption on the Ps3 (which also was a great blurray player) and watched similar movies like The Good the Bad and The Ugly and Once Upon a time in the West. I was absolutely amazed by these movies and couldn’t get enough of them.
Agreed, Jeff! Today I just watched the the 4K version of Pulp Fiction, and it’s by far the best viewing experience I’ve had with my new home theater set up. This holds true even though I’ve been buying a ton of modern superhero 4k movies. While those look great, none of them were as visually rich and detailed as the new transfer of Pulp Fiction from 1994.
Great video bud. Since 4K blurays were released I've found a new love for buying older movies. And definitely find I buy more classics and older movies than new ones. The format is perfect for restorations.
Yeah. Just bought Jaws, Blade Runner, 2002 and The Wizard of Oz on 4K and truly delivers a jaw dropping experience. They look so sharp and detailed that you have to witness in person to believe it.
I shoot a lot of 35mm still photos and one of the things I love about film is the way negative film captures highlights. There's a really natural roll off into the brightest parts of an image, and conversely the shadows are really deep and rich, which I think looks really appealing to the human eye as I feel this is how we see the world. As digital doesn't use a negative image, its the opposite. I can usually immediately tell a digital image against a film image because the highlights will either look blown out - lacking any detail, or they'll look super flat and grey, as they often over compensate to ensure the highlight detail isn't lost. That isn't to say a digitally shot movie can't look good, but when a movie from the 40s still holds up today eg Casablanca, Double Indemnity etc. I don't think many movies today will hold up in 80 years time, and I bet those that will, were shot on film. I think the way digital movies are colour graded is a big reason for this also. It's pretty incredible to think we've been shooting on film for over 100 years and it still holds up against our best modern technology, most often exceeding it.
Great stuff. Yah, I was blown away by the Jaws 4K blu. It looked phenomenal on my 65" LG Oled 4K, it was like watching it for the first time again in terms of fun. I personally get more excited about older/legendary movies being released on 4K Bluray than all the new glossy shiny digitally shot super hero this and cgi that. Its just amazing to see how good film can look at home now days and movies we grew up loving are even better now 👍
Shame they didn't do a 4K scan and Dolby Atmos track for the Blu-ray as well. Considering it was the 45th anniversary of Jaws. But you're right, the 4K blu-ray is stunning.
Thank you for shouting out the Casablanca transfer again, as you did in your best video. I've watched the thing more than any other 4k because the background clarity and the contrast wow me every time. Also Claude Rains is my homeboy.
Totally agree. I was pretty ignorant of this for a long time until a friend showed me a clip of Blade Runner and I was just astounded. Since starting this journey of buying older movies in 4K some of my highlights have been Jaws, The Ten Commandments, and Alien. All look phenomenal. Not to mention the Godfather restoration, and honourable mention to Second Sight's Dawn of the Dead release
So glad to see you addressing this. I was noticing this several years ago and was compelled to do some research as to why. You did a great job explaining it.
i’m a photographer and any photographer that know what they’re doing will tell you film is still WAAAY more superior than any digital sensor. not only in pixel count it is way more superior in color. film is naturally HDR, it has always been HDR. in actuality it is technology that is FINALLY catching up with what film can do. great video, most people don’t understand this fact
Seeing a silent film restored to 4K is truly amazing. It's a wonderful format for films filmed on acutal film. The resolution they can get out of film is truly incredible.
It’s really great when given the opportunity to see a silent in 4K, especially since there’s not many whose quality would benefit from that. Metropolis, Hunchback, Lost World, and the ‘25 Phantom rely heavily on 16mm, so I can’t imagine those leaving Blu Ray for some time. But the Caligari 4K is amazing, and I think FWMS is screening a 4K restoration of The Golem, so I hope that gets released soon. Nosferatu would be another instant buy.
Not at home, but last week I watched new version of Apocalypse Now: The Final Cut at the theatre and it looked bloody amazing. I love old movies. And I love film grain. To me, it's what gives a movie a certain kind of "warmth".
Thank you for this! You did an admirable job describing the film v. digital resolutions and even I learned a thing or two. For those of us who love 'films' and are finding a new way to love them even more, thanks!
I am really more pumped for Old 4K movies than the new ones. The first time I was blown away by 4K was with 2001: A Space Odyssey maybe one or two new ones compare but I almost constantly more impressed with new 4k remasters of Old Movies than the new stuff. Love this channel, keep up the good work.
I'm mostly more into old 4K movies because new movies are just bad in general for most part. That being said, I think some new movies look fantastic digitally. Dunno why he crossed out Guardians of the Galaxy in the thumbnail, the movies look phenomenal in 4K and are among the most visually pleasing superhero movies ever created.
This as been one of the best things about 4K UHD for me, giving a new lease of life to older films. Some look stunning. I'd love to see Deliverance on 4K Blu Ray, and another one I've been waiting for is apparently on its way from Paramount, Once Upon A Time In The West. That should look amazing if the transfer is handled well.
It's amazing to think that only in the last 10-15 years has our change to predominantly digital storage and display methods have caught up, finally, to 100 years of good ole analog film. As long as the elements for a scan exist, there's hope! I still remember the first film I saw projected (Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan) and my first VHS (Blade Runner). We've come a long, long way in my 46 years, and save for the difference in screen sizes, I can now pop my UHD BD of The Wrath of Khan in and replicate that first experience of the glory of projected film! For the average person who hasn't devoted decades to becoming an AV Nerd (TM), videos like this are important to explain new formats and their importance. Thanks for putting this together!
Watching old movies in 4K is like a new experience. They looks better than back then thanks to restoration etc. For example Jaws restoration... I was speechless how much better it looks now.
This has blown my mind 🤯 - I now realize I had everything backwards. I like older movies from the 70s and 80s and had thought that 1080p standard Blu Ray would be more than good enough. Now I realize the extent of my incomprehension 🤦♂️. Having said that, I want to thank this fine gentleman for providing an absolute master class in lucid explanation of technical content! Can’t wait to watch more .
Cool video, I agree I wish they would release the following movies in 4K: - Armageddon - Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls - Aeon Flux - Apocalypto - Armageddon - Cloud Atlas - Constantine - Crimson Peak - Daredevil - Excalibur - Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer - House of Flying Daggers - Master & Commander - Minority Report - My Name is Nobody - Oblivion - Once upon a Time in the West - Samsara - Se7en - Snow Piercer - Sunshine - Swordfish - Stargate - The Admiral - The Fall - The Island - The Mask - The Wolverine - Rango
Great video. In watching some of these older movies on 4K it is like watching them for the first time. The Hitchcock 4k versions of the universal films are stunning.
I am among the first in my friends group to get a 4k Oled and a 4k blu ray player. I have curated a decent collection of around 35 4k films. The film everyone wants to see when they come over is Jurassic Park. I think I have seen it about 8-9 times. It really looks excellent in 4k. Older films have definitely been the most enjoyable.
Our dinosaur of a TV - Sharp Aquos from '08 just died so we have to get a new TV. What OLEDs look good for old movies...so the movies aren't lagging behind on the screen?
Analog film is actually easy to enlarge and the resolution isn’t fixed like digital! Directors like Stanley Kubrick and Christopher Nolan has stated that the film medium give them for artistic expression. 4K movies that are mastered from film have more detail, while some digital movies look flat and pixelated from a Netflix video source that was shot on a small camera to be quickly processed for streaming!
You are correct! You are kinda missing 1 detail. The advantage of UHD is the HDR/Dolby Vision. I worked in Burbank and the marketing folk missed the idea that 4K isn't the most important, it's the HDR. The UHD spec allows HD with HDR but nobody releases that way, which is sad. Don't upgrade to 4K for the resolution, even if you have a smaller TV, upgrade for the HDR which exceeds cinema P3 quality.
Thanks! Awhile back I was googling why I would upgrade my older titles to 4K and read various articles. I picked up Casablanca and The Maltese Falcon, having never seen these fully. I've see so many clips it only felt like I had. I streamed these in 4K via the digital code and they looked great. I don't own a 4K player, yet. With new titles, I've been selective about getting them on 4K.
@@DIMEDAMAGErain = it was shot on 35mm film and if heavy grain was on the source, that’s what you’ll see on the 4k disc. If you remove it via DNR you end up with a mess which looks like Terminator 2
It's undoubtedly the older stuff shot on film that appreciates most on 4k, digital looks great anyway. I was watching the first Avatar just earlier tonight & was thinking to myself how, although the 4k hasn't come out of it yet, I can't see how much it can improve on this picture. 4k does underwhelm me a lot of the time tbh, my expectations are probably too high on a lot of 4k restorations, there are those now & again that do absolutely blow me away with how impressive a restoration looks mind & even exceed my expectations.
I understand that. Most of the time there is barely difference between a blu-ray and 4K in resolution. The only difference is that 4K needs HDR to make the colors feel more lifelike. Otherwise, it's pretty underwhelming. No offense to 4K only collectors. I'm only going to buy 4Ks with older films.
@@melissalayson7275 True. Blu-ray is already at a very good resolution at 1080p, plus if it’s a played on a TV or player that upscales it to 4K, then it’s not much of a difference that we can see between Blu-ray and 4K UHD. However, the movie Lucy (2014), although it’s not a good movie, it blew me away from how sharp and clear everything looks. They must’ve recorded that movie with some really nice cameras.
Yeah I've played several Blu-ray and 4K discs on my Sony X90J 4K TV and Panasonic DP-UB420 4K player and I couldn't tell the difference between them. And again the only difference is that I needed to turn the HDR on for the 4K discs to make colors feel more lifelike. Other than that, I can't tell the difference between them.
@@melissalayson7275 Nice! What a coincidence! I have the same exact setup. I have a 50 inch Sony X90J and Panasonic UB420 player, both of which are rated as being excellent at upscaling 1080p to 4K.
@@melissalayson7275 I didn’t get the more expensive Panasonic UB820 player since both players use the same exact processor, except the UB820 has Dolby Vision and was over twice the price. I’m satisfied with HDR10 😊
Don't crucify me, but I'm really not as enamored with 4k as I thought I would be. Having grown up witnessing the evolution of home entertainment in real time, I definitely noticed the exponential leap in quality from format to format; VHS to DVD and DVD to blu-ray, the improvement in quality was staggering. However my eyes usually can't see more than a slight improvement from bluray to 4k. But like I said, thats just me. I preferred 3D blu-ray more than anything and wish it had taken off, as it brings a whole new element to the home theater experience. A hybrid of 4k and 3D would be the ideal next step, as opposed to 8k or whatever is next, as the human eye really can't distinguish details beyond 4k or 6k anyways.
The best digital video cameras are from Red. Their first one launched in 2007 with a max resolution of 4k. In 2009 they released the Red epic x that shot at 5k resolution, later upgradable to 6k. In 2016 Red released the weapon 8k and 6k. Guardians of the galaxy 2 was shot on the weapon 8k. So 8k digital has been around for quite some time now, although that doesn't mean everyone shoots at that resolution. The latest Red V-Raptor can shoot 8k up to 150fps and 2k up to 600fps. The standard for film is 24fps, the standard for slow motion is filmed at 60fps and interpreted in post as 24fps so it slows the footage down and matches the frame rate of the rest of the film. So shooting 600 fps would give you ridiculously slow motion if interpreted as 24 in post. That might be able to film an actual bullet in motion, I'm not sure but digital is getting crazy and will only get better.
Yes, absolutely don’t sleep on classic cinema. 4K is great for modern and classics but honestly see them however you can. Some of the best movies ever made are looking their best with modern technology. Dracula, Jaws, 2001 and Blade Runner look great but don’t think that is the end it’s only the beginning. I have to say coming from VHS to DVD to Blu-ray to UHD has been impressive and look forward to whatever hidden gems we can uncover in the coming years.
The most astonishing thing are black and white movies where HDR just makes stunning difference! Also some movies with really brigth colors can be incredible… Wizard of Oz is good example…
Nice video. I am thinking about getting into the UHD disc world, maybe next year. I still buy lots of DVDs and some regular BDs. (there are many movies and series only available on DVD). These videos help a lot.
Even disregarding the quality of the image, there is also the quality of the storytelling, which is far superior in most cases in movies from the film days than these digital days.
When I got my 4K player, TV, and sound system last year I focused on movies that 1 I wanted to watch multiple times, 2 looked great in 4k, and 3 had Dolby Atmos to use with my Atmos speakers if possible. I’ve enjoyed my small starter collection the last year. But as I’ve spent some time with Atmos I do enjoy it a lot but realize it’s not the end all be all to picking movies for the 4k collection. You’re explanation makes total sense and I’m looking forward to adding beloved older movies to the collection now too.
I absolutely love film grain when done right and with the right transfer, but I'm not at all blown away with a 4k disc just because "it's the best it's ever looked!" That defense has always been silly to me. I understand not comparing apples and oranges, but I love great apples and I love great oranges..despite the fact that they're two different things. I absolutely love the 4k look of 2001, Shaft, Ten Commandments, Le Cercle Rogue, The Lighthouse, Malcolm X, The Godfather (especially the Vito flashbacks in part 2), Schindler's List (especially the Krakow raid scene), Lost Highway, etc just as much as the modern days Midsommars and Tenets and Ambulances out there, if not more so. I even adore certain movies on 1080p bluray with the way that the relatively softer look can lend a dreamier and/or more organic feel in some cases - the likes of Saint Maud, Beyond the Black Rainbow, Seven, Black Swan, Eraserhead, X, Death Proof, etc...while on the other hand, movies like There Will Be Blood, Eyes Wide Shut, AI, Traffic, Pleasantville, JFK, and No Country For Old Men are all in much need of upgrades and would look outstanding in 4K HDR. HOWEVER... [and many will call me blasphemous for saying so but] Jaws, as well as 3:10 to Yuma, Willy Wonka, and V for Vendetta, just do not look that great on 4k disc to me. Sorry. I have an LG C2 and my settings are fine for nearly everything else, but I'm not one to have my jaw on the floor for visuals on account of excuses about how and when it was shot. A lot of old movies look great in 4k - again, I love film grain - but there's a lot of them that look too fuzzy for my tastes. There's so much more that goes into how great, and storytelling-appropriate, the filmic look of a movie is than just "it was shot on film and looks better than ever therefore whoa." Rant done lol
1. No consumer video formats are uncompressed. 2. Digital intermediate resolution is not be-all, end-all. More often than not the digital intermediate resolution does not match the capture resolution of the camera. Higher capture resolutions can yield better DI's because there is more information to feed into the compression algorithms. A 2k DI that is sourced from a 6k capture, for example, can be very comparable (in some instances superior) to a 4k DI sourced from a 3.2k capture.
Great!!! I love old movies remastered in 4K they have something more than digital...This video should be seen by all collectors and taken as a bible! You are the best. Greetings from Italy 👋
This video is 100% accurate as lately I’ve been watching more older films on 4K. Like Escape From Alcatraz, Blow Out, Dragonheart, Lock Up, Marathon Man, Red Dawn, Streets of Fire, Death Wish, Cloak & Dagger have all looked great in 4K. I have so many more classic films to watch still.
As a collector of movies/ TV shows for over 28 years now since I was 12 in 1993 I remember one of the first formats I collected which was VHS the picture and sound would degrade with each viewing so I feel we as movie collectors today are spoiled with all the formats you can own movies on, it's so amazing all the hard work that's been put into these 4K UHD discs and Blu-ray re-releases, especially by boutique labels such as Arrow, Scream Factory, Criterion, Vestron and so on, they've just been killing it with these restorations, the way older movies look is just so pristine, film grain never bothered me only digital noise does. Plus with all the special features on these re-releases is just the icing on the cake to a collector and a lover of movies like myself.
@@JohnDoe-bz4yl That's a weird effing comment, dude. I don't agree with that at all. I'm so glad we moved on from all the sexist, racist, homophobic stuff. But I always watch movies within the context of the time they were made. Get outta here!
This is a good explanation of an important principle that the vast majority of people don't understand. The Vistavision material from the late 1950s and early 1960s stuff looks better than something shot today.
I don’t think anybody is gonna ignore the old movie’s when buying them in 4k. Im planning on building up my 4k collection & the 1st movies im buying are old movies i grew up with.
First off Jeff, I love your Channel. I love this topic because I was talking about it with a friend at a party. Every time, a person ask me about 4k the first question I will ask them is what type of movies do you like. 4k benefits the most on movies that are shot on film. I won't repeat what you said because it was perfectly said. I love that you mention Grease, because that is the film that sold me the most on the format. Bladerunner is a given, it's the less visual films that I feel gives it the 4K test. Grease transfer was outstanding.. Jaws was breathtaking. It's a Wonderful life incredible.. The only thing I might have added in you well done video( You still get a A+++++++ from me) is why can't films like Marvel shoot in 4k. The reason is usage of CGI. Film depend on it so much. For example if you watch the first Fast and the Furious it looks great. The detail it there. Then if you watch Fast in the furious 9 it does not look as sharp. Well that is because the movie companies usually shoot their effect on a 2k scan for time and budget reasons. Do when they put the film together, even if the they shoot the rest on 4k , they will downscale it to match the effects. A great example is Godzilla (1998) vs Godzilla : king of the Monsters.. Godzilla; (1998) is a clear image but the effect have a blur to them. Yet Godzilla King of the Monster effects and background match because everything is 2 k . But overall, If you the all types of film, 4K is the way to go.. Jeff, I hope you have a good day.. I am routing for you to get a million..
I do think us old uns rarely find film grain a deal breaker because we grew up with it and usually find its presence enhances the whole 4k experience adding warm cozy feelings harking back to formative cinema memories from our youth. In contrast it’s a bigger ask for young uns who can initially find the grain experience akin to their eyes being on fire. But given time it’s like the Beatles in mono you start to get it and then you get to love it.
It'll be a long, long time before I can afford a 4k player and 4k TV. But when that day comes, It's A Wonderful Life and The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 will definitely be my first purchases. 😁
Hint: if there are movies you really want on 4K, buy them now. Chances are when you finally get your 4K TV and player, they could be out of print or really expensive. It’s what I’m doing, so by the time I upgrade, I’ll have a nice little library of titles to watch.
Don't know what your budget is but I bought my first ever blu-ray player of any type 15 months ago, the Sony 4k upb-x700m for $148 new from Amazon, and has played 4k and hd discs flawlessly. Currently at $258, but wildly fluctuates between that and $150 every few weeks, so keep an eye out. Can get a very good 4k tv for under $700, 55 inch from Hisense or TCL.
Forgot a couple points, one for 4K format having less compression and more efficient compression at the same file size using h265 instead of h264 and also the bitrate is sky high. I’ve seen 100megabit on some 4K and bluray is like 17-35!
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Want some recommendations? Here are some great 4K movies of classic films.
Jaws 4K: amzn.to/416F3qj
2001: A Space Odyssey 4K: amzn.to/40ME91J
Casablanca 4K: amzn.to/3ZwGbC2
Double Indemnity 4K: amzn.to/3M77vUI
Grease 4K: amzn.to/40tfv6N
It’s A Wonderful Life 4K: amzn.to/40lygsF
Apocalypse Now 4K: amzn.to/3zltOyk
The Apocalypse Now 4K link takes me to the Resident Evil Collection on blu-ray lol
@@AndrewBleach you must be overseas. These are the US links and it works here
@P T Perhaps sound is something that was improved long after movies started filming with high quality film, but I’m not really sure.
With respect, the very best 4K UHD disc I've ever seen is Alien (1979). The black levels combined with a lack of noise (there's appropriate film grain, but not excessive noise), and the excellent audio master, is amazing.
I’ve owned It’s A Wonderful Life on all the major formats since VHS and it’s never looked better than on 4K. Loving your videos - thanks for all the great content from your fans in the UK!
out of my small collection. Alien (1979) on 4k is the one that absolutely blows my mind of how good it looks. It looks better than the other 4ks I own today that was shot modernly.
I have that one too. Event Horizon also looks good on 4K. So does the remastered blu-ray.
Yes! I own Alien on 4k bluray as well. I saw Alien back in '78 or '79 in the theatre and not only does the 4k bluray release look better, but It is the best looking 4k movie I've ever seen.
This movie might actually get me into film making lol. I went to go visit my mom on my birthday, I had gifted her a big nice TV and I was sleeping on the coach and felt like watching a late night movie. I chose alien and was actually blown away with how insanely beautiful the movie was.
The movie on that TV at night alone was just such a shock. I always enjoyed Alien, but watching it again was mind-blowing. The movie is gorgeous.
You are so right. I’m way more excited to see older films on 4K then the current crop. Movies like Jaws, the Thing, the Shining, Lost boys, Blade Runner just made me so happy. Finally getting to show my kids why these are classics. Presentation matters.
Escape From New York is pretty good, especially in DV, but the Atmos sound is horrible specifically with the music.
Old movies on 4K really are the true demonstrations of how good 4K is in general. Buying a 4K digital movie won't give you the same experience because the differences just aren't present enough.
the only movie that i could say that is justice to 4k is SUicide squad by james gunn, uses 4k dpi cgi and everything is 4k! IT looked incredible on my oled.
4K digital movies look just fine
I loved ‘Alien’ as a young person, watching it many, many times on VHS on a crappy TV. And that was forever engrained in my mind…exactly like that. So, I was shocked to watch it on Blu-ray on a plasma TV. Oh wow! Now, imagine on OLED in 4k. I need to upgrade.
@Bat Boy I have 9 channels and a svs ph2000 pro sub and a lg cx oled 65 inch. It's insane man. Well worth the investment
Bingo. That equates to not worth it.
Resolution aside, film's exposure lattitude is incredible. HDR finally captures this lattitude.
I've always loved the smooth organic roll off of blown out highlights on film over the hard clipping of overexposure shot digitally. The scene in Licorice Pizza with the older woman backlit in her office while smoking a cigarette is a great example
Honestly I find HDR more impressive than the 4K resolution.
Arri was reluctant to go to 4k as they said it was all about latitude and not about resolution.
@@chrisjfox8715 if its over exposed then it is lower quality. The role of a cinematographer is to keep things in focus and have good exposure.
@@getyourheroupatree8870 yes.
I just watched Apocalypse Now for the first time ever last week on 4K. Outside of it being a great movie, I was blown away with how it looked. Absolutely stunning.
It’s something else isn’t it
Very noticeable difference from the old one. Looked like they filmed it recently with that 4k restoration.
Just imagine how these directors would feel about shooting a movie in 4K or 8K resolution on film back in the day, only for the end product to be distributed on VHS tape. Back in the day you really had to watch a movie in a theatre for the best experience, but now we can enjoy this at home as well. Home technology has finally caught up!
Like Lawrence of Arabia
To be fair, there wasn’t home releases, so the experience was truly special and significant to go to the theatre. I’ve watched masters of some of these older films when I was in school, my young brain couldn’t comprehend how sharp, vibrant and clean film was. Videotape really muddied the perception of “classics” for a lot of people. Especially the older generation, they forgot what it was supposed to look like.
@@drewzalo Good point
Technically they actually were 4k and 8k because film is much MUCH more sharper than a typical 1080p or 4k display. There are no pixels on film, since the entire film is a capturing service, so its almost immeasurable. A high quality film could be recaptured in 16k or 32k and still look better each time.
@@evil1st it’s not about sharpness rather the information the film contains. 35mm has an archive of 6k. IMAX is 18k.
I purchased a Samsung 4K Blu-ray player player recently. Paired with my Sony Bravia 65" OLED with Dolby vision and Dolby Atmos add Polk Sigma Soundbar with subwoofer and Dolby Atmos.
First two films I bought were jaws and Inception and yes Jaws was amazing. One you didn't mention and I feel is noteworthy is Blues Brothers. The music end the car scenes are amazing. When they were driving around the mall it was crazy! Such a beautiful copy with great audio on a beautiful screen it was almost like seeing it for the first time. Thanks for the video, you clarified some things for me. And I'm definitely starting a collection!
65mm has far greater resolution than 8K. 65mm = 12K. 65mm IMAX = 18K. When a 65mm print is scanned at 8K, the digital file size can be 30 terabytes or more.
I heard films can sometimes have certain clips filmed in imax so when the film screens in imax theaters those special clips would have a greater impact than the films overall 4k resolution.
My eye has more resolution than 30 TB.
@@dankeplaceour brains are 2 Petabytes, about 2,000 TB
I think he's just referring to whats commercially available for consumers to purchase or download
65mm does not have 'far greater' resolution than 8K. In fact, when the 65mm Lawrence of Arabia was scanned in 8K, concentric lines on the camera negative where seen in 8K that were a result of the scorching heat in the desert when it was filmed. And yet, no one ever saw that at the cinema. Why? Because film aficionados always conveniently ignore the fact that no one ever saw the original negative at the cinema, but only the duped and printed positives where at least half of the resolution was already lost.
And since you need four times the pixes to aquire double the resolution (2 times horizontal and 2 times vertical), the real world print quality of 65mm film is 4K digital equivalent at best. The real advantage film prints have here is that digital projectors tend to have problems with dynamic range, but then again a digital file will stay the same whereas film prints wear and tear. This is therefore a problem of projection, not digital by itself.
And by the way, if you film directly into 8K digital, which some movies actually do, you will also get massive file sizes, so I fail to see why this could be seen as an argument as to why 'film is better'. It really isn't. In fact, objectively digital is way better, because it's much closer to reality. But the thing is that movies are essentially dreams, which is why a dream-like aesthetic works better for them. This is what some film stock with the correct lights can provide and it is here where films shines. But only if done well, and that happens only rarely.
My greatest 4k restoration experience has to be 'An American Werewolf In London' from the 80's. I'd never watched it (I'm more of an Evil Dead guy) my wife bought the Arrow release for me (she's a massive fan of the film) and damn watching it for the 1st time was an amazing experience. The story, tone, characters, soundtrack and the high res image was just something else. Amazing!
I don’t have a 4K television or player, but do have the Arrow Blu Ray and it looks awesome and great bonus features.
The second one is not as good. But the original is a classic masterpiece!
Getting older movies in 4K is hands down the best thing about the format. Seeing these old films with so much more detail and color is astounding. Getting The Shining on 4K blew me away when I first saw it and still does today. I recently got Dragonheart on 4K. It's one of my childhood favorites and it looks gorgeous! I love hearing when my favorites are finally coming out on 4K. Right now I'm super hyped for the release of 12 Angry Men in a few weeks. It's one of my favorite dramas since I was in drama class. I can't wait to see how good it looks. Black and white films are very underrated when it comes to the 4K format as well. The detail we get out of them can be pretty spectacular.
For me, some of the most INCREDIBLE-looking 4K discs I have ever seen include Blade Runner 4K, 2001: A Space Odyssey 4K, and Apocalypse Now 4K. I would VERY highly recommend those as being among some of the best-looking 4K discs on the market.
Agreed! I love the opening shot from bladerunner...just amazing
100% right on those movies.
Love your channel, but want to make two corrections (Disclaimer: I have produced commercial Blu-rays): "Fully uncompressed blu-ray discs" aren't a thing. 1080p Blu-rays use either MPEG-2, H.264, or VC-1 compression; there is no way to make one uncompressed (unless you were talking about the audio, which can be uncompressed). Also, removing film grain is not as cut and dry as "it's been scrubbed clean of detail"; like any restoration process, there are adjustments for the film material. If done properly, you can reduce grain without losing detail. It may surprise you to learn that some transfers remove all grain because the source was 16mm, then *add synthesized grain back in* to try to make the film look more like film. (Noise removal is actually a part of the next-generation AV1 codec we will see used in 8K transfers, which removes it for better encoding, then adds it back in on playback.) Every transfer is different and grain removal is not always a bad thing.
This is why film can't die. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, beats the look of film.
So true. I’ve noticed some directors have been using film again to capture their movies in recent years to get that look that only film can. 😎
This is why I hate HFR. It makes everything look fake. I hated Gemini Man 4K and preferred the Blu-ray as it looked more natural.
an added wrinkle is how OLED causes a "judder" effect which you have to try to balance with motion smoothing. So not only is FILM still different from DIGITAL cameras, the presentation on TV varies a lot depending on whether it's OLED, LCD and what processing is enabled in the video chip. I kind of miss having a 32" CRT television and DVD player in 1999 where I didn't have to think about all this stuff.
Digital will never fully capture the look of film. They've been trying for decades to do it, and have never been able to. Digital can never look good as film, period. They would have been able to do it by now. Film is superior.
@@GoblinGirl. Digital can look better than film, and to say it never could is so incredibly shortsighted, it’s mind boggling.
Classics (circa 1920's to 80's/90's) are definitely the way to go with 4K:
• Shot on physical film so no hard resolution "limit", meaning insane detail
• Restored meticulously so they look better than ever
• HDR is literally like seeing them "for the first time" (yes, even B&W movies)
• A lot of cult/low budget films getting the love they deserve right out of the gate (slashers, gialli, horror, old sci-fi, etc)
• Many classics already have 4K scans so bringing them to disc is a bit less complicated and time consuming
Phenomena from Dario Argento looks amazing 🥲
Just watched E.T. 4k and yes It was exactly that. I even turned up the surround sound more than normal. It was perfect and still got the feels. lol
Film absolutely has a hard resolution: the size of the grain particles. For regular 35 mm film, that tends to max out at about 3K. Yes Kodak claims it can be upto 6K, but they don't mention that's only with the best stock under ideal conditions that never happen in the real world. Sure, you can scan that 35mm at 8K or more, but that won't give you 8K resolution as it isn't in the source in the first place. Fact is I have never seen any 35 or even 65mm film whose 'insane detail' cannot be matched or surpassed by digital cameras.
This was a great video man, really informative
Thank you!!
I agree, great video! I was surprised by a couple of facts I had no notion of prior to this.
This is such a timely upload. I watched Schindler's List and All Quiet on the Western Front back to back and List looked just so much better
Schindler's List was freaking amazing 4K!!
HI, im your big fan from China. 2001: A Space Odyssey is such a great movie. In my life i have watched it for more than 140 times. It inspired me to undertake my R&D career. I used to watch it on my XBOX ONE S, Now i use my PS5 to play this 4k disk.
I have Jaws, Casablanca, Apocalypse Now and Double Indemnity and they all look phenomenal! Probably the best these films have looked outside of the big screen. Let’s hope other older films get great 4K transfers as well, keep up the great work Jeff, take care!
Get yourself the classic bladerunner.😉
I have Jaws, Poltergeist, Halloween, Halloween Season of the Witch, Rebel Without a Cause, It's a Wonderful Life, Apocalypse Now, The Mummy Trilogy ( individually), Child's Play, The Howling, and The Lost Boys on 4K. Most of my physical media collection is still blu-ray because most modern blu-rays are shot in 2K with a 4K scan.
4k UHD is a godsend for classic film lovers. The most impressive 4k I've seen is large format 65mm and anything shot on real 3 strip technicolor. They are rare though
Gone with the Wind would look AMAZING if they release it in 4K UHD. It already looks really good thanks to the Technicolor process.
90% of my movie collection is older 4K's now I love revisiting a classic in 4K and being blown away by how good/new it looks and sounds! 😍 Great insightful video Jeff, Keep up the awesome work 💚
Recently watched Cliffhanger on 4K and it blew me away. The sound alone was worth the price tag!
AFAIK, the oldest film that's been released on 4k is "Das Cabinet des Dr. Caligari" (The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari) from 1920--it's 103 years old. It looks gorgeous.
Ugh, I wish somebody would release Zulu (1964) in 4K. One of my favorite movies of all times and it deserves it.
When done right, 4K restoration of old movies is a blessing.
Alien, The Shining, Predator, Godfather trilogy, Ten Commandments, My Fair Lady, Spartacus, Bridge on the River Kwai, also great must have films.
I second My Fair Lady, they did a really good job with the restoration and tasteful application of HDR. I’ve not seen Ten Commandments, but I’ve read really good things about it.
@@davidbenning10 Oh yeah, Ten Commandments is up there. If My Fair Lady hadn't supplanted it, I would have rated it as the best looking older film on 4K. Both are Paramount titles and it shows the work and care that they put into the restorations.
Jaws on Blu Ray was astonishing. Was as if the film was shot yesterday. Brilliant release. Amazed that 4K is better!
Regardless of transfer, people who deny older films just bc they're older are not people I take seriously about ANYTHING, absolutely ANYTHING at all.
but.. they play video games..
@@pewburrito I remember video games are the reason why I started watching older movies as a kid. I played Red Dead Redemption on the Ps3 (which also was a great blurray player) and watched similar movies like The Good the Bad and The Ugly and Once Upon a time in the West. I was absolutely amazed by these movies and couldn’t get enough of them.
@@pewburrito I play video games and don't watch modern films.
I only watch old movies. Modern ones are woke rubbish.
Great video mate. I would have to say that all the old movies that are now in 4k are my favourites. Alfred Hitchcock's Rrear Window is insane.
Best visuals I have seen in 4k is 2001 space odyssey - unbelievable
Agreed, Jeff! Today I just watched the the 4K version of Pulp Fiction, and it’s by far the best viewing experience I’ve had with my new home theater set up. This holds true even though I’ve been buying a ton of modern superhero 4k movies. While those look great, none of them were as visually rich and detailed as the new transfer of Pulp Fiction from 1994.
Me personally, I prefer Jackie Brown and can't wait for that one
Great video bud. Since 4K blurays were released I've found a new love for buying older movies. And definitely find I buy more classics and older movies than new ones. The format is perfect for restorations.
Fantastic video, Jeff!
I personally into older movies like you are!!!
Yeah. Just bought Jaws, Blade Runner, 2002 and The Wizard of Oz on 4K and truly delivers a jaw dropping experience. They look so sharp and detailed that you have to witness in person to believe it.
Correction is 2001 Space Odyssey. Mistyped 😂
I shoot a lot of 35mm still photos and one of the things I love about film is the way negative film captures highlights. There's a really natural roll off into the brightest parts of an image, and conversely the shadows are really deep and rich, which I think looks really appealing to the human eye as I feel this is how we see the world. As digital doesn't use a negative image, its the opposite. I can usually immediately tell a digital image against a film image because the highlights will either look blown out - lacking any detail, or they'll look super flat and grey, as they often over compensate to ensure the highlight detail isn't lost. That isn't to say a digitally shot movie can't look good, but when a movie from the 40s still holds up today eg Casablanca, Double Indemnity etc. I don't think many movies today will hold up in 80 years time, and I bet those that will, were shot on film. I think the way digital movies are colour graded is a big reason for this also. It's pretty incredible to think we've been shooting on film for over 100 years and it still holds up against our best modern technology, most often exceeding it.
Great stuff. Yah, I was blown away by the Jaws 4K blu. It looked phenomenal on my 65" LG Oled 4K, it was like watching it for the first time again in terms of fun. I personally get more excited about older/legendary movies being released on 4K Bluray than all the new glossy shiny digitally shot super hero this and cgi that. Its just amazing to see how good film can look at home now days and movies we grew up loving are even better now 👍
Shame they didn't do a 4K scan and Dolby Atmos track for the Blu-ray as well. Considering it was the 45th anniversary of Jaws. But you're right, the 4K blu-ray is stunning.
Thank you for shouting out the Casablanca transfer again, as you did in your best video. I've watched the thing more than any other 4k because the background clarity and the contrast wow me every time. Also Claude Rains is my homeboy.
Great video as always Jeff! Was blown away by 2001 A Space Odyssey! It was my first time watching it ever and on 4K!!
Totally agree. I was pretty ignorant of this for a long time until a friend showed me a clip of Blade Runner and I was just astounded.
Since starting this journey of buying older movies in 4K some of my highlights have been Jaws, The Ten Commandments, and Alien. All look phenomenal. Not to mention the Godfather restoration, and honourable mention to Second Sight's Dawn of the Dead release
So glad to see you addressing this. I was noticing this several years ago and was compelled to do some research as to why. You did a great job explaining it.
i’m a photographer and any photographer that know what they’re doing will tell you film is still WAAAY more superior than any digital sensor. not only in pixel count it is way more superior in color. film is naturally HDR, it has always been HDR. in actuality it is technology that is FINALLY catching up with what film can do. great video, most people don’t understand this fact
16mm = blu ray
35mm= 4K
2K= blu ray
4K= 4K
Got it. Thank you so much. U the man!!!
I get all kinds of excited when I see older movies that I grew up with on 4k... seeing Jaws on 4k is one of the greatest movie experiences of my life.
Seeing a silent film restored to 4K is truly amazing. It's a wonderful format for films filmed on acutal film. The resolution they can get out of film is truly incredible.
It’s really great when given the opportunity to see a silent in 4K, especially since there’s not many whose quality would benefit from that. Metropolis, Hunchback, Lost World, and the ‘25 Phantom rely heavily on 16mm, so I can’t imagine those leaving Blu Ray for some time. But the Caligari 4K is amazing, and I think FWMS is screening a 4K restoration of The Golem, so I hope that gets released soon. Nosferatu would be another instant buy.
Great video. I remember going from DVD to Bluray and seeing Jurassic Park. It was like a night and day difference.
Not at home, but last week I watched new version of Apocalypse Now: The Final Cut at the theatre and it looked bloody amazing. I love old movies. And I love film grain. To me, it's what gives a movie a certain kind of "warmth".
Thank you for this! You did an admirable job describing the film v. digital resolutions and even I learned a thing or two. For those of us who love 'films' and are finding a new way to love them even more, thanks!
I am really more pumped for Old 4K movies than the new ones. The first time I was blown away by 4K was with 2001: A Space Odyssey maybe one or two new ones compare but I almost constantly more impressed with new 4k remasters of Old Movies than the new stuff. Love this channel, keep up the good work.
I'm mostly more into old 4K movies because new movies are just bad in general for most part. That being said, I think some new movies look fantastic digitally. Dunno why he crossed out Guardians of the Galaxy in the thumbnail, the movies look phenomenal in 4K and are among the most visually pleasing superhero movies ever created.
Thanks for the video! I've just watched Raiders of the Lost Ark in 4k on my 65" TV and I was blown away by how how good it looked!
This as been one of the best things about 4K UHD for me, giving a new lease of life to older films. Some look stunning. I'd love to see Deliverance on 4K Blu Ray, and another one I've been waiting for is apparently on its way from Paramount, Once Upon A Time In The West. That should look amazing if the transfer is handled well.
It's amazing to think that only in the last 10-15 years has our change to predominantly digital storage and display methods have caught up, finally, to 100 years of good ole analog film. As long as the elements for a scan exist, there's hope! I still remember the first film I saw projected (Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan) and my first VHS (Blade Runner). We've come a long, long way in my 46 years, and save for the difference in screen sizes, I can now pop my UHD BD of The Wrath of Khan in and replicate that first experience of the glory of projected film! For the average person who hasn't devoted decades to becoming an AV Nerd (TM), videos like this are important to explain new formats and their importance. Thanks for putting this together!
Watching old movies in 4K is like a new experience. They looks better than back then thanks to restoration etc. For example Jaws restoration... I was speechless how much better it looks now.
This has blown my mind 🤯 - I now realize I had everything backwards. I like older movies from the 70s and 80s and had thought that 1080p standard Blu Ray would be more than good enough. Now I realize the extent of my incomprehension 🤦♂️. Having said that, I want to thank this fine gentleman for providing an absolute master class in lucid explanation of technical content! Can’t wait to watch more .
Cool video, I agree I wish they would release the following movies in 4K:
- Armageddon
- Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls
- Aeon Flux
- Apocalypto
- Armageddon
- Cloud Atlas
- Constantine
- Crimson Peak
- Daredevil
- Excalibur
- Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer
- House of Flying Daggers
- Master & Commander
- Minority Report
- My Name is Nobody
- Oblivion
- Once upon a Time in the West
- Samsara
- Se7en
- Snow Piercer
- Sunshine
- Swordfish
- Stargate
- The Admiral
- The Fall
- The Island
- The Mask
- The Wolverine
- Rango
Would like to add From Paris with Love
Red Planet
underwater
public ENEMIES
I Am Legend
I Robot
Great video. In watching some of these older movies on 4K it is like watching them for the first time. The Hitchcock 4k versions of the universal films are stunning.
Great video. Blade Runner and ET probably the pinnacle of 4K so far for me, they both look so detailed, vivid and alive.
I am among the first in my friends group to get a 4k Oled and a 4k blu ray player. I have curated a decent collection of around 35 4k films. The film everyone wants to see when they come over is Jurassic Park. I think I have seen it about 8-9 times. It really looks excellent in 4k. Older films have definitely been the most enjoyable.
Our dinosaur of a TV - Sharp Aquos from '08 just died so we have to get a new TV. What OLEDs look good for old movies...so the movies aren't lagging behind on the screen?
@@bassbooster7940If you want the best of the best, QD-OLED is the way to go. S89C, S90C, S95C, and A95L are all great options.
Analog film is actually easy to enlarge and the resolution isn’t fixed like digital! Directors like Stanley Kubrick and Christopher Nolan has stated that the film medium give them for artistic expression. 4K movies that are mastered from film have more detail, while some digital movies look flat and pixelated from a Netflix video source that was shot on a small camera to be quickly processed for streaming!
Grand Prix shot on 65mm in the 60s, I have the blu-ray and it looks good already, but man this would blow socks off if released in 4k.
Now we're talkin'!
Watched E.T. yesterday. It's still a great movie. 90s kid, but the clarity brought me back.
You are correct! You are kinda missing 1 detail. The advantage of UHD is the HDR/Dolby Vision.
I worked in Burbank and the marketing folk missed the idea that 4K isn't the most important, it's the HDR. The UHD spec allows HD with HDR but nobody releases that way, which is sad.
Don't upgrade to 4K for the resolution, even if you have a smaller TV, upgrade for the HDR which exceeds cinema P3 quality.
Thanks! Awhile back I was googling why I would upgrade my older titles to 4K and read various articles.
I picked up Casablanca and The Maltese Falcon, having never seen these fully. I've see so many clips it only felt like I had. I streamed these in 4K via the digital code and they looked great. I don't own a 4K player, yet. With new titles, I've been selective about getting them on 4K.
All the older movies I own in 4k are my favorites so far - Jaws, Alien, The Thing, Blade Runner, Indy Trilogy, Predator, Robocop, Total Recall…
total recall looks awful in 4k.grain is off the charts bad.
@@DIMEDAMAGE you’re entitled to your opinion. Grain doesn’t bother me. I think the transfer looks fantastic.
@@DIMEDAMAGErain = it was shot on 35mm film and if heavy grain was on the source, that’s what you’ll see on the 4k disc. If you remove it via DNR you end up with a mess which looks like Terminator 2
Thank you so much I stumbled upon your videos you ignited a movie collecting hobby! I’ve already built up my collection
Welcome aboard!
Really great information comparing resolution potential in film vs. digital! I had no idea before.
It's undoubtedly the older stuff shot on film that appreciates most on 4k, digital looks great anyway. I was watching the first Avatar just earlier tonight & was thinking to myself how, although the 4k hasn't come out of it yet, I can't see how much it can improve on this picture. 4k does underwhelm me a lot of the time tbh, my expectations are probably too high on a lot of 4k restorations, there are those now & again that do absolutely blow me away with how impressive a restoration looks mind & even exceed my expectations.
I understand that. Most of the time there is barely difference between a blu-ray and 4K in resolution. The only difference is that 4K needs HDR to make the colors feel more lifelike. Otherwise, it's pretty underwhelming. No offense to 4K only collectors. I'm only going to buy 4Ks with older films.
@@melissalayson7275 True. Blu-ray is already at a very good resolution at 1080p, plus if it’s a played on a TV or player that upscales it to 4K, then it’s not much of a difference that we can see between Blu-ray and 4K UHD. However, the movie Lucy (2014), although it’s not a good movie, it blew me away from how sharp and clear everything looks. They must’ve recorded that movie with some really nice cameras.
Yeah I've played several Blu-ray and 4K discs on my Sony X90J 4K TV and Panasonic DP-UB420 4K player and I couldn't tell the difference between them. And again the only difference is that I needed to turn the HDR on for the 4K discs to make colors feel more lifelike. Other than that, I can't tell the difference between them.
@@melissalayson7275 Nice! What a coincidence! I have the same exact setup. I have a 50 inch Sony X90J and Panasonic UB420 player, both of which are rated as being excellent at upscaling 1080p to 4K.
@@melissalayson7275 I didn’t get the more expensive Panasonic UB820 player since both players use the same exact processor, except the UB820 has Dolby Vision and was over
twice the price. I’m satisfied with HDR10 😊
Don't crucify me, but I'm really not as enamored with 4k as I thought I would be. Having grown up witnessing the evolution of home entertainment in real time, I definitely noticed the exponential leap in quality from format to format; VHS to DVD and DVD to blu-ray, the improvement in quality was staggering. However my eyes usually can't see more than a slight improvement from bluray to 4k. But like I said, thats just me. I preferred 3D blu-ray more than anything and wish it had taken off, as it brings a whole new element to the home theater experience. A hybrid of 4k and 3D would be the ideal next step, as opposed to 8k or whatever is next, as the human eye really can't distinguish details beyond 4k or 6k anyways.
I'm watching Alien right now, and I am completely blown away by the resolution that it has. Definitely don't remember it looking that crisp
What a fantastic video !!!!!! SO much new information about older 35mm films, and what their comparison is to new 2k and 4k films. BRAVO !!!
I am taking this year to build my classic movie collection along with very selective newer movies.
The best digital video cameras are from Red. Their first one launched in 2007 with a max resolution of 4k. In 2009 they released the Red epic x that shot at 5k resolution, later upgradable to 6k. In 2016 Red released the weapon 8k and 6k. Guardians of the galaxy 2 was shot on the weapon 8k. So 8k digital has been around for quite some time now, although that doesn't mean everyone shoots at that resolution. The latest Red V-Raptor can shoot 8k up to 150fps and 2k up to 600fps. The standard for film is 24fps, the standard for slow motion is filmed at 60fps and interpreted in post as 24fps so it slows the footage down and matches the frame rate of the rest of the film. So shooting 600 fps would give you ridiculously slow motion if interpreted as 24 in post. That might be able to film an actual bullet in motion, I'm not sure but digital is getting crazy and will only get better.
Thank you for the info, and contextualizing why older movies look great on 4K UHD 🙌
Yes, absolutely don’t sleep on classic cinema. 4K is great for modern and classics but honestly see them however you can. Some of the best movies ever made are looking their best with modern technology. Dracula, Jaws, 2001 and Blade Runner look great but don’t think that is the end it’s only the beginning. I have to say coming from VHS to DVD to Blu-ray to UHD has been impressive and look forward to whatever hidden gems we can uncover in the coming years.
My first time ever watching a space Odyssey and it looks amazing in 4k.
Great video. Thanks for covering this.
The most astonishing thing are black and white movies where HDR just makes stunning difference!
Also some movies with really brigth colors can be incredible… Wizard of Oz is good example…
Nice video. I am thinking about getting into the UHD disc world, maybe next year. I still buy lots of DVDs and some regular BDs. (there are many movies and series only available on DVD). These videos help a lot.
Even disregarding the quality of the image, there is also the quality of the storytelling, which is far superior in most cases in movies from the film days than these digital days.
I just got Casablanca (1940) on 4K and oohh--it is a stunner!
When I got my 4K player, TV, and sound system last year I focused on movies that 1 I wanted to watch multiple times, 2 looked great in 4k, and 3 had Dolby Atmos to use with my Atmos speakers if possible. I’ve enjoyed my small starter collection the last year. But as I’ve spent some time with Atmos I do enjoy it a lot but realize it’s not the end all be all to picking movies for the 4k collection. You’re explanation makes total sense and I’m looking forward to adding beloved older movies to the collection now too.
I absolutely love film grain when done right and with the right transfer, but I'm not at all blown away with a 4k disc just because "it's the best it's ever looked!" That defense has always been silly to me. I understand not comparing apples and oranges, but I love great apples and I love great oranges..despite the fact that they're two different things.
I absolutely love the 4k look of 2001, Shaft, Ten Commandments, Le Cercle Rogue, The Lighthouse, Malcolm X, The Godfather (especially the Vito flashbacks in part 2), Schindler's List (especially the Krakow raid scene), Lost Highway, etc just as much as the modern days Midsommars and Tenets and Ambulances out there, if not more so. I even adore certain movies on 1080p bluray with the way that the relatively softer look can lend a dreamier and/or more organic feel in some cases - the likes of Saint Maud, Beyond the Black Rainbow, Seven, Black Swan, Eraserhead, X, Death Proof, etc...while on the other hand, movies like There Will Be Blood, Eyes Wide Shut, AI, Traffic, Pleasantville, JFK, and No Country For Old Men are all in much need of upgrades and would look outstanding in 4K HDR.
HOWEVER... [and many will call me blasphemous for saying so but] Jaws, as well as 3:10 to Yuma, Willy Wonka, and V for Vendetta, just do not look that great on 4k disc to me. Sorry. I have an LG C2 and my settings are fine for nearly everything else, but I'm not one to have my jaw on the floor for visuals on account of excuses about how and when it was shot. A lot of old movies look great in 4k - again, I love film grain - but there's a lot of them that look too fuzzy for my tastes. There's so much more that goes into how great, and storytelling-appropriate, the filmic look of a movie is than just "it was shot on film and looks better than ever therefore whoa."
Rant done lol
I want the original twelve angry men on 4k. Great video.
It gets rreleased the April 18th, don't know if you knew this
1. No consumer video formats are uncompressed.
2. Digital intermediate resolution is not be-all, end-all. More often than not the digital intermediate resolution does not match the capture resolution of the camera. Higher capture resolutions can yield better DI's because there is more information to feed into the compression algorithms. A 2k DI that is sourced from a 6k capture, for example, can be very comparable (in some instances superior) to a 4k DI sourced from a 3.2k capture.
One older film we really need on 4K is Sorcerer. The 2K version looks amazing. 4K would be mind blowing.
Great!!! I love old movies remastered in 4K they have something more than digital...This video should be seen by all collectors and taken as a bible! You are the best.
Greetings from Italy 👋
This video is 100% accurate as lately I’ve been watching more older films on 4K. Like Escape From Alcatraz, Blow Out, Dragonheart, Lock Up, Marathon Man, Red Dawn, Streets of Fire, Death Wish, Cloak & Dagger have all looked great in 4K. I have so many more classic films to watch still.
As a collector of movies/ TV shows for over 28 years now since I was 12 in 1993 I remember one of the first formats I collected which was VHS the picture and sound would degrade with each viewing so I feel we as movie collectors today are spoiled with all the formats you can own movies on, it's so amazing all the hard work that's been put into these 4K UHD discs and Blu-ray re-releases, especially by boutique labels such as Arrow, Scream Factory, Criterion, Vestron and so on, they've just been killing it with these restorations, the way older movies look is just so pristine, film grain never bothered me only digital noise does. Plus with all the special features on these re-releases is just the icing on the cake to a collector and a lover of movies like myself.
I'm 10 times more willing to shell out my hard earned money for a classic movie on 4K, than for a contemporary film. It's what I live for
Not to mention that the old films are not woke
@@JohnDoe-bz4yl That's a weird effing comment, dude. I don't agree with that at all. I'm so glad we moved on from all the sexist, racist, homophobic stuff. But I always watch movies within the context of the time they were made. Get outta here!
@@stevegeiler Story before agenda please and I'm not the only one who thinks so just look at the flops because they tried to shoehorn a message
This is a good explanation of an important principle that the vast majority of people don't understand. The Vistavision material from the late 1950s and early 1960s stuff looks better than something shot today.
Casablanca 4K was in my top ten UHDs of 2022. Beautiful disc
I don’t think anybody is gonna ignore the old movie’s when buying them in 4k. Im planning on building up my 4k collection & the 1st movies im buying are old movies i grew up with.
First off Jeff, I love your Channel. I love this topic because I was talking about it with a friend at a party. Every time, a person ask me about 4k the first question I will ask them is what type of movies do you like. 4k benefits the most on movies that are shot on film. I won't repeat what you said because it was perfectly said. I love that you mention Grease, because that is the film that sold me the most on the format. Bladerunner is a given, it's the less visual films that I feel gives it the 4K test. Grease transfer was outstanding.. Jaws was breathtaking. It's a Wonderful life incredible.. The only thing I might have added in you well done video( You still get a A+++++++ from me) is why can't films like Marvel shoot in 4k. The reason is usage of CGI. Film depend on it so much. For example if you watch the first Fast and the Furious it looks great. The detail it there. Then if you watch Fast in the furious 9 it does not look as sharp. Well that is because the movie companies usually shoot their effect on a 2k scan for time and budget reasons. Do when they put the film together, even if the they shoot the rest on 4k , they will downscale it to match the effects. A great example is Godzilla (1998) vs Godzilla : king of the Monsters.. Godzilla; (1998) is a clear image but the effect have a blur to them. Yet Godzilla King of the Monster effects and background match because everything is 2 k . But overall, If you the all types of film, 4K is the way to go.. Jeff, I hope you have a good day.. I am routing for you to get a million..
I hope Disney gets around to releasing Rocky Horror in 4k. I think the blu-ray looks phenomenal and would be even better in 4k.
Given Disney's hit and miss track record I would be cautious.
@@jarjared3522 Exactly ☝️
I do think us old uns rarely find film grain a deal breaker because we grew up with it and usually find its presence enhances the whole 4k experience adding warm cozy feelings harking back to formative cinema memories from our youth. In contrast it’s a bigger ask for young uns who can initially find the grain experience akin to their eyes being on fire. But given time it’s like the Beatles in mono you start to get it and then you get to love it.
Blade runner 4K was awesome on 4K. If you set your Dolby Atmos to Reference level the sound will blow you away. Just watching the intro is amazing
The Ten Commandments in 4k looks amazing
I completely agree with you. I notice the difference in older films much more than newer ones.
It'll be a long, long time before I can afford a 4k player and 4k TV. But when that day comes, It's A Wonderful Life and The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 will definitely be my first purchases. 😁
Hint: if there are movies you really want on 4K, buy them now. Chances are when you finally get your 4K TV and player, they could be out of print or really expensive. It’s what I’m doing, so by the time I upgrade, I’ll have a nice little library of titles to watch.
Don't know what your budget is but I bought my first ever blu-ray player of any type 15 months ago, the Sony 4k upb-x700m for $148 new from Amazon, and has played 4k and hd discs flawlessly. Currently at $258, but wildly fluctuates between that and $150 every few weeks, so keep an eye out. Can get a very good 4k tv for under $700, 55 inch from Hisense or TCL.
@@derradune6722 Thanks for the tip, I just might do that.
Reservoir Dogs is one of my favorite examples for the upgrade from a bad blu ray transfer to a pristine 4K.
Forgot a couple points, one for 4K format having less compression and more efficient compression at the same file size using h265 instead of h264 and also the bitrate is sky high. I’ve seen 100megabit on some 4K and bluray is like 17-35!