People gawk about Arkham Knights graphics (rightfully so they're mental) but the thing that impresses me most is how good the core gameplay loop is. Batman is just so responsive, the gliding feels fast, the combat is absolutely amazing, the fear takedowns make the combat more cinematic as well, the stealth system is damn near flawless. The only thing that puts City over Knight for me is honestly the story
Stealth in Arkham was like a puzzle. And it was a great feeling. If you planned it out right, the enemies would fall like dominoes. And you'd end the sequence standing in the middle of all it, cape flowing. I miss that. I might have to just replay the Arkham games instead of this.
and what a great puzzle. i often restarted this missions because i wanted to get "All stealth knockouts" or something like this with the fear meter building up and so on... good times, but hard (at least for me) to jump into from time to time
Health bar and levels? Are you ppl serious? We have these for 40 years and most of the games have it but here is somehow issue? Sometimes i dont know if ppl are sarcastic or just stupid.
@@MC-hn8yy He isn't sarcastic, there are times for it. Just because it has existed for a long time, does not mean that you should go around and put a health bar on every single street crock
"Health bar" fights are such a blight on modern games. In the arkham games there were so many ways to immediately put down an enemy in a real and satisfying feeling way. It felt like you were knocking goons' heads together, not just depleting an arbitrary health bar
You can make the health bars go away 🤣 how does knowing how much health an enemy has ruin the game? There is code in all games that registers how much health an enemy has 🤣 and you’re mad because you see it. Nice
@@Sn1pEzTV I get what you're saying, but honestly, there was no reason to make this game more of an action RPG than the Arkham games. Seems like most games are trying to be health bar, numbers flying everywhere RPGs now. The previous system had great progression and avoided the excessive gaminess that so many games suffer from now
I think stealth is the main issue. Arkham games required meticulous planning sometimes and use of every gadget at disposal and real concentration. It made you feel like batman. Here you sneak around from point to point maybe distract a bit and then knock down.
Hey I know this is one year on and people have moved on and forgotten this piece of crap but yeah your absaloutly right what I loved about the Arkham games is you could choose your approach to how you want to take out enemy’s and that gives you the feel of being Batman while sadly this game has none of that it just feels like a grind system with no end or purpose it’s a shame because this could have fitted into the arkhamverse if they’d have made it the sequel to Arkham knight maybe change up the gameplay added new innovations because originaly I thought it was gonna be exactly that an Arkham knight sequel
ikr? lately these "expert reviewers" feels like they make reviews based off the feeling of a 2 hours demo gameplay lol, chapeau to Falcon and Gameranx to be real ones.
That’s what I did right after playing Gotham Knights. I purchased all the Arkham games once again for my PS5 just to appreciate the great work Rocksteady did back then and playing Arkham City rn
I feel like it could’ve work if they had stories of each characters based on a trait of Batman/villains. With the final level forcing each character work together with there skills to defeat the Court Of The Owls as a team. Bat-Girl - Is the one going around to hack computers and collect information. (Penguin/Riddlers) Nightwing - Focuses on combat stealth and break-in. (Black Mask/Harley Quinn) Red Hood - Be the fire power. Doing take down mission and junk. (Killer Croc/Clay-Face) Robin - Is the detective, trying uncover a certain villains secretly supporting Court. Working hard to find their whereabouts of these enemies. (Two-face/Hush)
You make a good point. However, personally I would switch Batgirl and Robin (since he specializes in tech while her time as Oracle has made her the best in forensics and information networks), along with Nightwing and Red Hood (NW has a lot of experience with large and stronger enemies from his Titans experience and RH is completely reliant on handguns and the occasional sucker punch).
@@lukeskywalker987 I think he had it right. When it comes to the hacker stuff, Babs has an edge over Robin. Tim is known as the best detective in family, even surpassing Batman
@@Strategic_Mover True. I just thought it would be more interesting if Tim focused on tech and rooting through code (since Tynion's run really emphasized his affinity for computers) while Barbara would just happen to use hacking in her information gathering and more traditional detective work, especially since they could tie it in with her dad's work as the police chief.
I find it interesting how both Gotham Knights (developed by a WB owned studio) and the upcoming Suicide Squad game (also developed by a WB owned studio) both got delayed the same month the Avengers game was released which was heavily criticized for the live service aspect. Considering how Gotham Knights appears to have been designed as a live service game originally, it wouldn't surprise me if Suicide Squad was too, hence the delay for both games. What's even more interesting is that right after Gotham Knights is released and the reviews are out, it is announced that the two co-founders of Rocksteady (who is developing Suicide Squad) have decided to leave the company.
@@Roman_Perez7 Yeah obviously Rocksteady are working on it, that's the point. Both teams had their games delayed the same month the Avengers game released and two co-founders of Rocksteady departed after the monumental bad reception of Gotham Knights which implies Rocksteady's Suicde Squad game is following a similar model which is not a good sign.
@@ezzahhh On the bright side, at least GAAS is slowly getting thrown away by game developers. Hopefully, Rocksteady can fix Suicide Squad before it comes out.
@@ezzahhh I woudn´t doubt the Suicide Squad game may follow the same multiplayer mechanics as Gotham Knights but I hope they keep the free flow combat system and stealth mechanics from the Arkham games.
Arkham Origins is actually a really good indicator of the design philosophy at WB Montreal. Half the map was designed by Rocksteady for Arkham Coty and just kinda dressed up to match the aesthetic of Arkham Origins. So the steel mill, the church, etc looked really good. Then they make you cross a reaaaaaaally long bridge to get to the other side of town, and its generic tall buildings and fast travel points. I haven't played Arkham City in years and I could still tell you where the GCPD building is relative to the Museum and the Iceberg Lounge. But I literally can't name any landmark from Origins besides the one big building and I don't even remember where in the map it is.
They basically just rehash what rocksteady does with arkham series. They just add twists of their own and release it to make money. The only good thing they did was the detective mode if im not mistaken.
Exactly! Don't forget the empty lazy outside textures covered in snow. Everyone seems to gloss over those points when they nostalgically talk about Origins
@@mgiebus1869 Outside textures for snow? They modelled actual snow and had snow deformation. Definitely not textures. It was actually pretty "revolutionary" to have snow deformation in that game, along with HBAO+.
I don't massively disagree with your point about design philosophy, and I do feel that the gameplay is a bit "iffy" for Origins, but the best boss battles (bar Freeze in City) are in Origins, and it has (in my opinion, at least) the best story of the 4 games. Without City, it wouldn't be what it is, but entirely on its' own merits, ignoring City, the game is fine. It's a sequel like most are, not revolutionary like City was to Asylum. But given the foundation *is* City, it's still a damn good game, and a far sight better than Gotham Knights and most other games.
@@GrammarNaziAUSwhat's hbao+? Also they clearly used the snow to avoid having to actually draw in detailed street and flooring textures like those in City and Knight. It only becomes more obvious as you traverse the city (which was clumsily designed). Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it last Christmas, the boss fights were awesome. But their laziness in game design is prevalent all throughout
I believe the game had two very dramatic shifts in development. The first was that this Gotham Knights was originally a direct sequel to Arkham Knight and took place in the same continuity, because a lot of its gameplay and story decisions give it that "Copy my homework but change it just enough to not be obvious" vibe, before it was turned from the action-adventure genre of the Arkham series into a full-on live service RPG game (probably) very early in development, and in doing so, it was also changed to take place in its own separate universe, partly for creative freedom and partly to separate it further from the Arkham series. The second shift was when Avengers came out and was total shit, so WB tried to strip out as much of that aspect of the game as they could without requiring the devs to basically start over from scratch on the gameplay side of things, leading to it feeling like a bastard child between Avengers and the Arkham games.
This game is nothing like any of the arkham games. WB montreal wouldn't just make a game and then claim 'well its an arkham game' because that is actually stupid as all hell. They only developed arkham origins so rocksteady could have more time working on knight so there is no chance that the sequel to one of the most beloved video game franchises wouldnt be worked on by the company responsible for those amazing games. The more i think about it, the stories dont even line up and its just as unlikely that they scrapped the sequel idea and then came up with an entirely new storyline
@@funkychunk1343 Search up the canceled Damian Wayne game. You’ll get ur answers. They canceled an Arkham sequel to knight for this dumpster fire mediocre knights
The big thing about the Arkham combat that I think is easily missed is how Batman would "lock on" to enemies-- like if I push up on my left stick with the punch button, and there's an enemy in front he'll "jump" over to that enemy to hit them. That's what gave it that flow I can tell just by the videos for Gotham Knights that this part was gutted. The combat instead looks more like superhero games prior to Arkham Asylum, where you really have to aim at them on your own to do any damage. So if you're going to make 90% of your game just combat, at least build off of the best combat system and make it the best part??
From many videos i watch, the lack of gadget hurt me the most actually. One of the most fun aspect in Arkham freeflow combat is the puzzle element to maximize the effect of the gadget on the combat. And its gone in Gotham Knight
I have to agree with you @Nick Lanny. Seeing Batgirl fight, there are literally no longer any transition animations when she switches from focusing on one enemy to another. She just slide-rotates from one to another now.
Why should they bother making anything better? The previous game was a blast, ppl will buy this one jsut for the franchise. Typical corporate milk it till its buried policy...
@Shawn Rasmussen Sadly, these non-players will proceed to complain about a game they never actually play and discourage other players that might've been interested.
Arkham Knight's progression system: "Mr Wayne, i have developed a new suit that will give you faster and more dynamic movement" Gotham Knight's progression system: "And if you craft this green thingy you can get an additional 12 strength points"
I kind of hate playing Superhero games with looting and crafting and gear loadouts. I think the Arkham Games and last 2 Spider-man games were the perfect way to let you feel powerful and also have fun without tedeious loot and mobile game levels of currencies. Even going back to games like Infamous and Prototye I think they worked really well without a loot and gear system.
@@philithegamer8265 Even the lack of loading screens in most parts of the game makes it feel really recent. Overall, very impressive for something that is on UE3.
Your review was the one that changed the tide for me... I don't have money to waste on what looks like (and probably felt like) "Batman 3.5 - the abridged story"
This is what happens when developers say they need more time but sales team won't give them more time. You get a half finished game that they were clearly redoing it after some bad decisions when they had to tape it together and just release it
Definitely right this is most likely what happened. That or the developers just don’t have normal human brains. Maybe the second thing tbh. Most boring game I’ve ever played.
@@johnames6430 Batgirl is cool, what do you mean? And you also get Nightwing and Red hood, which are very cool. Robin has always been boring to me but it's not a game only about Batgirl
Your living in denial my dear Augustus. This game flopped not just because it only ran on 30 and a few bugs. But the story was dull. The leauge and the court of owls didnt have enough charm to carry the game. The main story was calling out for someone crazy to keep us bouncing and entertained. The combat was more frustrating then fun. And there was not enough love put into the game its that simple. But I will say the boss fights (which arkham knight lacked) in the game especially the three side missions with Clayface Freeze and Harley are some of the best I have played. Also voice cast was decent. But besides that it was an extremely lackluster game. And had nothing going for it. The thing is buddy if you make excuses for them they will keep making crap and sell crappie because they know people are blinded by loyalty.
I believe you're 100% correct about it being a live service title in the beginning. I also believe that the game started out as an Arkham game and they change the story when they realized that they couldn't measure up. The story lines are just too similar especially if you play the Jason Todd parts. They probably realized that they didn't want to be Shackled by the Arkham narrative and just went with a lazier knock off
@@animezilla4486 You can't blame them for comparing. Same source city and characters, different interpretations. Open world traversal with grappling, gliding (Batgirl only) and summoning a vehicle from anywhere in the city. Stealth mechanics. Combat involving martial arts, gadgets and clearing a whole room full of enemies. An experience centered on the story. You can totally see why comparisons are made, even when the games differ in continuity, art direction and certain mechanics. Gotham Knights and Arkham is a way fairer comparison than something like Gotham Knights and God of War.
@@-Teague- when you are making a Batman project of course you expect it to be dark and gritty when the devs was probably taking inspiration from the Arkham series to incorporate into Gotham knights
I really don't like seeing those health bar in this game, in earlier demo they didn't show it and it was looking and feeling better, but right now it's not that good seeing health bars of enemies.
Why should it stay the same when its not an Arkham game? Man it's like yall didn't see the reveals or anything, it's suddenly an issue once it comes out?
I was working at WB Montreal when this game was greenlit. Before that, the game had been scrapped and started over a bunch of times. Each time a new team of people took over. The pitch that ended up going somewhere enough for them to have built a small demo and pitch video was an idea that combined aspects from the Shadow of Mordor games with Batman. Except there was no Batman. The video they showed at a town hall meeting was interesting. Areas of the city were taken over by villains that were built using a Nemesis like system. It was Shadow of Mordor, but in the Batman universe and with Co-op. Batgirl also had a really nice butt, which the start of the video focused on a lot (the initial camera pan and scene of her walking showed she had a bugger, rounder butt than in the final product). That was the pitch they were taking to Burbank to get it greenlit, and they did get it. This seemed to be the course they were going down when I left WB Games Montreal. I don't know what happened. Could they not get the Nemesis system working? Maybe they couldn't get the rights to it from Monolith. Did COVID have an effect on any of it? The pitch they originally had was a lot better than what we got in the end. I really wonder what happened.
The sad thing about this IP is that if they didn't try too hard to "not be arkham" they would have had an easier time. Now I think the Suicide Squad game is gonna get the same treatment.
I feel this is what is lacking with coop games nowadays, its almost always a singleplayer experience where another person or two gets to tag along, I want people to usher in a coop game renaissance where the coop character is integrated to the game, where you can do more things together. A good example would be the recent It Takes Two, hell even Dead Space 3 your coop character was integrated to the story!
Adding your coop character into the actualy story would take way more effort though. It takes 2 had coop story intergration because your meant to play it in coop. Adding coop story integration to a game like this would mean that so much of the game, especially all the cutscenes would have to be remade just incase someone decides to play coop
This is why I’m subscribed to gameranx, gives an honest critique without being afraid of what devs might say. Saves me money everytime a new hyped game comes out. I loved the original Arkham games but after seeing this review I can skip this one.
Honestly the game is ok but my main problem is we didn’t really see much of anything, like for a game on PS5 AND the fact both the talons feral and hunters are pretty cool to fight it would’ve been awsome seeing them go at the league at times in mission maybe even some hunters underground HUNTING the manbat like come on, Use Your enemies, make it feel like a warzone, And for crying out loud, the freaks look and feel like a threat even if a little maybe we can see a scene where the court was caught off guard and we see an army of Freaks even if weak gang up against them to show us everyone wants the power. honestly my only complaint is they have a lot of missed opportunities on enemies, making them come at You OR each other like make it feel like a war on all fronts don’t just say random things and we see bodies, let us see some groups battling one another.
Part of the reason Gotham Knights looks so dumb is because they probably wanted to make fortnite. But then when they saw that the Avengers mmo flopped they converted it to co-op/single player. The greed of companies…
I have to disagree with the Riddler trophies, those were the best puzzle solving side quest from the whole series and each game bringing in new ways and versions to test you using Batman's abilities and skills was the cherry on top. Some were really frustrating because even after trying everything I could think of and going 360 camera mode to figure out the puzzle before I started, that still wasn't enough or at times didn't allow you to do so and had to go through it at least once to grasp how it'll work. That's where becoming really proficient in scanning the whole room and observing what exactly to look out for became such a really good skill to pick and made me love it even more.
I liked the Riddler trophies for the most part, but City and Knight had way more than they needed. It was to the point where it felt more like padding than challenge for a lot of them. Knight made it even worse by making you dependent on the batmobile for so many of them as well (don't even get me started on the damn races), to the point where you almost had to spend more time playing as the batmobile than batman. Asylum had the best balance for the trophies. You could get most of them just playing through the story with some minimal backtracking at the end after you get the last gadgets. Origins did a lot better with them as well
@@SomewhatSlightlyBored For me they were fun but I didn't stumble upon them right and by the time I completed almost everything I realized I had to go hunting down each and every location even if I already took it to go through a list and make sure I don't miss anything. It sucked. Not the trophies itself, but the fact that they started to make the gameplay a bit agitating.
If you remember Arkham City there was riddler trophies put in the game for Catwoman. How would you feel if they incorporated riddler trophies specifically for each member of the bat family. If they made a sequel to this I would like to see Catwoman. Playing as Catwoman in Arkham City was a lot of fun
What would have been cool is if you team up with another person, it would unlock a special move set (think Wolverine's Fastball Special, but for the Batfam).
I really like GK. This is a new game and isn't an Arkham game. Yes you can make comparisons but it isn't the same. I like the rpg aspect of the bat family game. It isn't as dumbed down as quests given by characters. there is the largest scale version of Gotham to explore. I like it and look forward to more.
I like that somebody actually has a honest opinion. People should play games cuz they like em. Not cuz review told em it's bad. Talking to the other guy who commented below lol
The stutters on PC piss me off, traversing through the open world is really hit or miss but I have fun overall. I like the combat system. Very rewarding and satisfying once you get it
I feel like as games get better with technology and graphics they get much worse in style,execution and story and gameplay, people play games to have fun. It’s hard to play games today cause they are not fun anymore and over priced
The crafting system was a little weird at first and took until reaching lvl 40 and finishing new game plus to fully understand it... But once you start crafting legendary gear and building your character the way you want... The game changed in a very good way for me. I'm hoping for more endgame content to come.
I'll still probably check this out on a deep Steam sale or Game Pass release, because I'm a Bat-nerd, but I wasn't surprised to find out it has problems. I agree with the idea that it was designed as live service and that's why it fails gameplay wise. Just the lack of the old counter system seems to indicate that to me, as it sounds like something that would be tricky to solve for multiplayer, but trimming it down to simply dodges makes things a whole lot easier. I'd love a really good game for Nightwing or Batgirl. It makes me sad that this wasn't it.
It believe that it could be tricky but I don't think it's technically impossible to implement counters. If the rumors are true about Marvel's Spider-Man 2 having co-op then these devs will look even worse.
@@maineman5757 I agree, it could definitely be done, but taking them out is just easier. So, if your original intent is make a multiplayer focuses live service game, you might cut them altogether earlier in development. Of course, I don't know, but that's my speculation on why they aren't there.
As I watch this video, this game is currently in my mailbox waiting for me to get home and play it. Now I'm considering trading it in for something else.....
Honestly try it. You gotta form your own opinion of the game because this game is fairly split in terms of people saying bad vs good. I think the bad is drowning it out because a lot of the reviewers keep comparing it to arkham as opposed to being its own game
@@sk8erman773 your last statement is basically saying we consumers SHOULD accept sub par games when we've already had better... in the EXACT same field.
This game as you said was suppose to be live service, the writing is on the wall. All of the mechanics you point out as lackluster work FAR BETTER in a single player capacity because the player needs overall control of the space, multiple autonomous players working together is far more chaotic in nature. The game was made with the thought of giving as much freedom to multiple players at once WITHOUT having thier individual actions reduce the quality of play for another. Example: if the suit upgrade system was built around aquiring specific pieces scattered across the map how do you implement that for multiple people if some are locked by level or ability without spoiling finds? This should have been at most a 2 player old school split screen. Every knight should have been the focus of a specific story advancing arc as well as side mission focus. Even if you could switch characters that would have been great. They tried so hard to be DIFFERENT then the original series they became the misfit! You had the formula you didnt need to change much, you introduced 4 characters instead of 1, that automatically through story telling, character advancement and potential combo capability creates distingushed elements!
I agree with your comparisons to the Arkham games but I also think that there are a lot of differences that were ignored. All the characters feel different, there’s more of a focus on character development, the grapple is more useful because it can aim down, there’s a lot more freedom in the combat, and the customizable suits are fun. Other than that, I agree with mostly everything you said. I give Gotham Knights a 7.
Like with every other game that has come out recently, the problem is usually not lazy devs, it’s higher than that. Greedy executives and poor project management. Shove things out the door, make money, rinse and repeat
Completely agreed. The worst part is the frauds on copium being like “Reeeeee don’t compare with Arkham games”. Bunch of clowns who have got their standards so low that we just have to accept this as it is even when a game 7 years ago pretty much destroys this in nearly every regard. Edit: Funky Chunk13 is a baby who has got his feelings hurt after I called out his low standards.
my brother in christ, THIS GAME IS NOTHING LIKE THE ARKHAM GAMES AND SINCE WHEN DID GRAPHICAL FIDELITY COUNT AS NEAR EVERY REGARD. Gotham knights has a better cast of characters, isnt relying on mark hamill and kevin conroy to carry the performance, ACTUALLY HAS A GOOD STORY and doesnt ruin what was meant to be such a massive moment with the arkham knight reveal by showing like 5 different jason todd scenes in a series that hadn't even mentioned him before. Maybe play the game before you just blindly agree with what someone else is saying. Sheep goes baa
@@funkychunk1343 “NOTHING LIKE THE ARKHAM GAMES…” Completely false but keep coping if it makes you feel better about playing the game. “SINCE WHEN DID GRAPHIC FIDELITY COUNT AS NEAR EVERY REGARD” Never said it did, nice false assumption. “Gotham knights has a better cast of characters…” Cute, all subjective and I disagree just as you disagree with me. Difference being I ain’t mad like a kid typing in caps like you did. “ACTUALLY HAS A GOOD STORY…” Cute. Ending was disappointing and they couldn’t even take advantage of the cowls. “Maybe play the game before you just blindly agree with what someone else is saying. Sheep goes baa”. What makes you think I didn’t LOOOOOOOL. So mad that you see someone disliking the game and falsely assume they haven’t played it.
@@HazzyDevil you're so bias. There's literally no point arguing with you because of that massive 'i love Arkham knight' dildo up your ass. Your opinion is completely invalid if you haven't played the game
@@funkychunk1343 “you’re so bias” LOOOOL - and you aren’t? Kid doesn’t know what opinions are. Doesn’t matter which game you prefer, you’ll always see the opposite opinion as biased. Still falsely assuming that I haven’t played the game to fit your flawed agenda huh. Your opinion is invalid. Just a sad fanboy who got hurt after seeing someone dislike their favourite game. Don’t cry baby 🤣
The live service point is exactly what I commented on the Before You Buy. This was definitely made as a live service superhero game to compete with Avengers, that got slaughtered, and the same month this game was delayed and now releases with the shell of a live service game. Coincidence?
I hate those people that defend Gotham Knights like their life depended on it and say that the game was not going to be a live service game when the game has alot of live service elements and gameplay similar to Avengers.
@@Frost4Real I’m pissed off because i payed 94 dollars now. I played through with Robin(He is fun as hell) but now I don’t feel the urge to play. Spider-Man ps4 had a different effect on me. I’ve replayed Spider-man remastered like 5 times.
@@Frost4Real I want superhero games to be more like Marvel’s Spider-man,Ghost of Tsushima and Days gone. That quality. I was hoping Knights was like that 🤦🏻♂️
I remember the demo for Arkham Asylum, I played that for hours on end as a kid because, obviously being a kid, I didn't have any money for games. When I saw Knights and saw some gameplay lil bit of cutscenes with dialouge it seemed very poor in comparison to the Arkham series so I think I'll keep my hard earned money and replay what I have.
See the game is fun if you don't compare it to the Arkham games but that's a tall order. currently what's stopping me from playing it is the new update they gave out today. I have not once crashed at all until this update and its virtually unplayable. I'm hoping it can be fixed because I love the bat family and being able to play as them in my opinion is fantastic
It's a spinoff of the Arkham trilogy of course people are going to compare it to the previous entry. The damage control is already in full swing and the game is barely out amazing no wonder companies can screw over people
I feel that you just compared it to the Arkham games throughout the whole video without trying to look at it as just another game. ive played spiderman loads of times and loved it. sure as hell beats that slow asf glide that batman has and yet i liked them both. It's not Arkham guys. some people worked really hard on this game so appreciate it for what it is....not because "its just not as good as batman"
I can get behind some of your criticisms here, but despite them I have not had this much fun with a game in a long time. There are definitely some quality of life improvements I would like to see, but man I have not been able to put this game down since it came out. My best friend and I have been having a blast running through Gotham and completing missions. I cant help but hope we are going to see some follow up games in the same vein that revolve around the Teen Titans and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If Gotham Knights can be a starting point.. then I have high hopes for future installments.
I think Gotham Knights is actually really good. It doesn't exactly bring anything new to the formula, but it plays very well and just fun beating up enemies and exploring Gotham.
@@hsizzle4502 If you read any reviews on metacritic, you would see that many people actually do enjoy it, but reading is probably a little too difficult for you.
The pushback from people saying it's unfair to compare it to the arkham series is in itself unfair. I don't feel bad expecting a publisher to maintain standards at least as high, preferably higher, than a decade old game. This game has a feel like if the Spiderman developers were like "no we're not allowed to have good swinging so we don't look too close to Spiderman2, make utter shyte swinging".
Man stealth is my favourite part of the Arkham games, and I loved how it was necessary. The fact that you can just dodge bullets doesn’t make sense, I mean you sorta could in Arkham but it wasn’t all the time and it was just when you were in combat to get open to then take down the guy with a gun
Nothing went wrong Arkham is a legendary series but in my opinion they did pretty good with Gotham knights and captured mostly the best of each character and making it diverse. If they made it just like Arkham ppl would complain about it being a copy and pace
Tbh the main problem was they wanted to make it like SPIDERMAN rather than Arkham like game or yeah they can make it different obviously but here the identity is missing where it doesn't gives us a feel like a Batman game or bat family game which rocksteady focussed on that is comic accuracy rather than random formula.
@@wrydstepbr0_0 yeah i know i think you understand it wrong i didn't write WB Montreal but i was talking about WB Montreal & then obviously i said rocksteady focussed on comic accurate rather than random thing like GK
Something that really hurt this game for me was the ending. Spoilers below. I went into the final mission as Jason. I did not know that this was the final mission. The game did not tell me. There was little to no story indication that this was the final mission. I actually liked the fight against Bruce as Jason. It felt like something right out of the comics, Jason pleading with Bruce as he slowly came back to his senses. But Jason’s ending speech felt weak and stilted. I didn’t think that was gonna be the final cutscene, but it was. I actually liked the performance, but it just wasn’t the high note I wanted the game to end on. I wanted to see the Knights talking as one, not Jason just giving a one-note speech. Like, holy fuck, why have four characters, if you aren’t gonna use them!
my hope is that this will be an example of a sequel that makes big changes- I'd still love to see these characters with more attention and focus, but maybe add more Arkham back to the recipe
You can notice how the videogame industry is losing passionate developers, like they're pulling out games for live services and easy money with no inspiration or creativity, no love for the art.
So many people think that this game is in related to the Arkham series, it isn't. The only thing it's related to is that the devs made Arkham Origins, that's it. The main trilogy of Arkham games have nothing to do with this game and anyone who cannot just do a little bit of research to figure that out, you're an idiot. The devs made the game LOOK like the Arkham series just to trick people into buying it and cash in on the hopes people will think it is a return to the Arkham game universe
I don’t have any issues with the game. I’ve put almost 30 hours into it and I’m loving it. Fun game and it looks great on my series X. It’s only dashboarded me twice but I loaded back in to where I left off within a few minutes. Really fun game. Don’t believe all the bad reviews. If you’re on the fence wait a few months, it’ll probably be on sale.
The city in the Gotham Knights also feels so empty and barren. Yeah in Arkham Knight the entire city is evacuated but you still find militia and random thugs talking and cars which the thugs are in. The upgrade system is the most confusing thing ive ever seen. Like why do we need to random ass things to make a suit. This one is a nitpick but ive never really liked health-bars. The health-bar just makes it look a bit weird to me, the akrham games thankfully never had a health bar for the enemies.
Just because the same studio did Arkham Origins and Gotham Knights that doesn't mean it was made by the same creative team and it shows. AO was spearheaded by Eric Holmes and Ben Mattes who were huge Batman fans and understood what worked in City and what needed development (crime investigation, boss battles, enemy variety) as well as the idea that you should probably be able to play as Batman in a Batman game, instead of the sidekicks. Sadly, they were no longer with the company once this trash was being made.
Gotham Knights was supposed to be a live service game its pretty apparant from the start but then the devs saw what happened to the Avengers and tracked back but they had already made the structure to be that of a live service so they made the entire game on it as making it again from scratch will take a long time, that's where things went wrong
"Gotham Knights was supposed to be a live service game " When you start out with a lie, well nothing else you say matters. Reality must be your trigger.
The Warner Brothers have some of the lamest CEO's ever People there are capable to go back to their mother''s belly just to change their gender, if that would made them more rich
@@RtistiqSkubie Show me where it was supposed to be a live service game. You guys keep claiming this with no evidence at all. Just like people keep trying to shoe horn this in with AK when the company literally said it wasn't an AK game. Your expectations and fever dreams are not reality. Sorry reality is a trigger.
I agree with everything you're saying, but I really don't get what your obsession is with the Riddler trophies. Those things were tedious and boring as all hell.
Feels like they could have done so much more but they it seems like they phoned it in. They had a great blue print with so many opportunities to expand upon but like you said they probably went the marvel avengers route then back tracked heavy smh
I’m not sure why people are surprised that this game sucks. It’s made by WB Montreal. They can’t make a Batman game to save their life😭😭 Only Rocksteady should be allowed to make Batman games
There are three types of collectibles: batarangs, landmarks, and historia strigidae. And let me tell you, trying to collect them was incredibly painful. For one, you can only see them if you have AR vision on, so I have to spam up on the d-pad when navigating the city. Second, the indicators for them are tiny. Landmarks can be recorded by scanning square plaques on the side of them, no matter how big it is. It makes sense, but when you're gliding or driving around, it is hard to pinpoint which is a landmark and which is not. The last collectible is weird too, because they have white indicators that tell you that they are near, but the distance that the collectible is from the indicator varies dramatically depending on the location.
What I noticed with WB Montreal games, is they always hype up one villain to be the REAL BIG BAD (Black Mask *cough cough*) then they go and replace them with another villain.
I’ve been loving my time with the game , and have seen nothing but positive reviews from people who are playing the game. Yes there could be some additions to make the game better but it’s still really fun. Also been having fun messing around in Co-op
I was so looking forward to GK but the final 2 Batman games took a different direction, so this should be of no surprise that they focused on the big picture but took away those small intimate moments we loved in the first 2 Batman games. The op nailed it when he’s said mission structure isn’t there. There were huge issues with the fan base on those last two Batman games, we hated driving around and they gave us more of it. Another out of touch studio who doesn’t care about 1) future of their studio 2) because they are more focused on investors 3) when they should be focused on innovation of gameplay 4) and drafting an unforgettable storyline
I couldn't even get past the tutorial for this game. It was just that bad. Everything just felt so unrefined and rushed. The writing was terrible, the animations felt janky compared to the fluid animations of the Arkham games, and the combat by far was worst thing. They should've just stuck with the Arkham formula, making this game a grindy RPG was the worse decision they could ever make.
Many problems with this game: - no real point in upgrading anything due to defence metrics are void. You can make your armor twice as good but the same low-tier enemies will still be able to take a sizable chunk of health off of you no matter what the defence rating is. - hook-shot is slow and will shoot in a random direction. Most of the time you are shooting the hook in a direction that is behind you no matter which way you are facing. It's really hard to just go in the path you want. - landing/perching on a hand rail or guard rail is easy - getting off in a timely manner is a whole other story.... - the fighting needs help. I F###### KNOW ITS NOT AN ARKHAM GAME, but the combo system made the arkham games awesome...... The fighting in this game has no flow at all. - I also thought that this game would have more heros on the ground in Gotham throughout the night..... Turns out, your online friends have to do that because the other heros are just NPCs inside head quarters while you go at it alone. Normally I wouldnt care but since the concept of "body armor" means nothing in this game, you are alone to fight the baddies with a cardboard chest plate.
The game gave me the ick when I discovered there is no parry countering attacks.. and the stealth mechanic was not there either. But I liked the concept of being able to play as the bat family and the customization options.
Facts, especially Arkham knight u feel the most as Batman beating up enemies, gliding around the beautiful city, the batmobile destroying everything in ur path
In this comment you basically admitted that you don’t try a game out for yourself and you just let reviewers tell you what to get and not to get 💀 Npc Lmao
@some universe guy it's pretty obvious this game is mediocre. Plus it's smarter to wait and get it cheaper. Not like this game is going to stop existing in a year.
Controls are horrible, wings missions are the biggest pain in the AAA, lagy af and you have to play with the pixels other wise you will have 10 fps. I have i7 - GTX 1060 and i lag like crazy when i fly around.
One more iconic thing about first batmobile summon was how rocksteady made it seem cinematically awesome by putting dialogue where batman says to alfred that he's "even-ing the odds" and the batmobile call button appears labeled as "even the odds"
I love rock steady but I don't know that I'd call that iconic. It was around the same time that Call Of Duty asked us to press F to pay respects. Love Rock steady and Arkham but I think that's a little cringe even if it is Batman.
I do think that most if not almost all of the criticism against Gotham Knights are completely fair, cause it is in fact a considerably worse game than any of the Arkham series and it shows that it's development didn't have the same level of love or commitment to the game. Having said that, I would also like to play a little bit of devils advocate here, cause I do think that some of the comparisons aren't really fair and some of the criticism are not really giving the game a chance to be it's own thing, there are some elements in gameplay that are different, but not different in a worse way, it's just another way to make a game and progression, but it's receiving criticism just because it's not like in the Arkham series. Part of the Batmobile vs the Batcycle comparisons are a good example of this in my opinion, the Batcycles entrance is clearly less epic, but I don't think that's inherently bad, cause it's not trying to be epic, instead it's about showing how developed their tech is, like you mentioned the Batmobile plays a really important role in the story of Arkham Knight as it's meant to "even the odds" in a moment where the problem is feeling too big even for Batman, it's supposed to be epic and imposing, smashing every car it gets in its way, the Batcycle instead is not trying to be anything like that, it's just their way of moving faster, nothing more nothing less, it's not supposed to be imposing or destroy every car that gets in its way, mostly because this time there are actual people in those cars, but also because it's supposed to be a smaller and more versatile way of moving than the batmobile, again most of the criticism is really fair and deserved (even within that same example, the speed and speed animation of the batcycle is straight up bad), but we all just want to play a good game, and I think it's important to keep in mind these things in order to actually enjoy a game instead of constantly comparing it to others.
We still have Suicide Squad coming from Rocksteady. So let's cross our fingers that we're praising it and talking about how Rocksteady proved they're a bunch of bad motherfuckers again.
@@guybroyles48 I hope so. Not gonna lie the lack of promotional material has me worried. It's getting delayed for sure or it's just gonna be a trainwreck. Here's hoping it's the Arkham game we need.
These thugs feel lifeless but in Arkham series the thug were hands down one the best part of the game that I don't think any other game has copied it well , their interaction with each other, their conspiracy theories , their reaction to see Batman coming out of shadows is hilarious.
Never played any of the Batman games, but I LOVED Spider-Man and Miles Morales… Would you recommend them? If so, can I just play Arkham Knight or do you need to play them all in order?
@@wesleyp3579 Play all 4 Arkham games in the order of release (Asylum, City, Origins, then Knight). Go in without expectations based on other games, you wont be disappointed.
The thing that made me realize this was a lower effort game was when i cleared a criminal stronghold and saved one guy, waiting the entire time for him to find all 9 of his unconscious buddies and still he went back to his usual path and blurted out generic " I'LL FIND YOU" responses. Where in Arkham, he'd immediately realise that he's the last one and get all frantic and scared as you picked off his buddies. I always loved that.
I get the feeling some 'genius' lead for this game said "hey, if we have four times the playable characters, we'd only need to make 1/4th the content to keep people happy" cuz this game really feels like 1/4th of an Arkham game.
I pre ordered avengers because I mean it was avengers game was so broken I couldnt even boot it up it would crash every single time got refunded day 1 and dropped it in the garbage right after was nit gonna make the same mistake for this game seen the gameplay and everything and immediately knew it was gonna be a pass I never miss judge a game I did it once with avengers because I let my fandom blind me that will never happen again i cant be fooled twice that being said yes it is heart breaking to see 2 games based on characters we love fail so hard it really is 🤦
Oh and honestly I dont think we are getting a truly good next gen super hero game till suicide squad or Spiderman 2 comes out until then the closest thing to good games releasing right now is god of war Ragnarok and Callisto protocol theres some jrpgs coming out as well but there not as popular god of war and Callisto protocol are gonna be the heavy hitters to close out the year thats clear as day 🤷
@@Assassin-ys5vw game sucked but playing with iron man and thor wasn't so bad , definitely doesn't justify buying it , i pirated it just cause the last iron man game was from saga and i just wanted a new iron man game
My personal take on the matter simply goes down to the passion of the developer. Rocksteady's Arkham Trilogy is a masterpiece, through and through. Yes, the last game had some hiccups, particularly to do with its PC launch and the overreliance on the batmobile, but it was still a fantastic bloody game, and one of the few games I actually went out of my way to platinum. Graphically, all the batman games always felt way ahead of their time when they came out. I remember playing Arkham Asylum for the first time on my Xbox 360 and thinking how amazing everything looked. Arkham Knight set that standard so much higher. If you go back to that game on a PS5 or Series X, it still holds up perfectly when it comes to in-game visuals. This goes without mentioning the overall story of these games which was incredible. But like I said before, it all goes back to passion. Everyone at Rocksteady LOVED batman. You can see it and hear it in their interviews, marketing, trailers every single member of that team was passionate about the story they were creating, and determined to make it as good as physically possible. I just did not see the same from WB Montreal. I cannot disprove or disregard of the fact they put hard work into the game, as I am sure they did. But I'm just not sure if they approached this title with as much passion and ambition as Rocksteady had.
@@patrickarraes4422 Yes, Arkham Origins was made by WB Montreal. However, you must remember that they created that game with a fully constructed and mastercrafted blueprint made my Rocksteady. Everything inside that game was essentially already made by Rocksteady. From textures to combat to props to even some voice actors. WB already had all the foundations set for making that game, and when you really think about it, creating the foundations of any video game is basically the hardest part. The incredible freeflow combat which Rocksteady designed, a gameplay feature which is still talked about to this day, was already in place for WB to freely use in their game. All they really added themselves was the OST, costume design and story. Yes, they added a couple of their own features like the shock gloves and the multiplayer (which no longer exists) but overall the game wasn't built from the ground up because all the hard work was already done for them. This is exactly how Activision allows for different developers to make COD games. They already have the engine and all physics ready to be used from the previous COD titles. Yes, there is still a lot of work to be done until the game is ready to play. But the most important part is essentially finished. Although over the years a lot these features can be reworked and remastered, the original blueprint for the game will always be there to layout the foundations of the game itself. The same thing applies to Origins. WB took something Rocksteady had already done, and gave it their own spin. The main and only true reason why Origins exists in the first place is because during that year, Rocksteady told WB Games they need more time to work on Arkham Knight for next-gen, and because WB didn't want to lose out on potential money, they got WB Montreal to make Origins. And if you take a look at overall ranking of the game, it is sadly considered the weakest Arkham game in the series, simply because it was not made by the same people, and not with the same purpose. It didn't come from passion, it just came from greed essentially. However, I must add, that I love Arkham Origins, I do think it's underrated, and I love replaying it every few years, but at the end of the day, it didn't live up to the other Arkham games.
@@kam2840 I've been saying it for a while that what makes games good and so rich is passion Probably the most important thing when making a video game You gotta love what you're making When you have that you put your heart and soul into it and the end result is beautiful and amazing.
I really liked the counter system in the arkham series....it was broken enough to make you feel godly and satisfying enough to find skilled martial artist who you needed to be careful how you counter or you would fail...and when you found such enemies it was exhilarating because you were used to easy counter from goons so a challenge from a martial artist was a good change of pace
The martial artists from Arkham origins switched it up by making you have to counter twice when they attack or they could counter you and you have to counter that counter it shows that WB had potential to make good mechanics for this game
@@alpacawithouthat987 am not judging your skills...but I've never been stuck in animation while trying to counter...for example if you were attacking someone and got attacked...counter would always be prioritised and cancel that animation....infact for every fight there is a challenge score for not getting hit...maybe unless you weren't good at timing counters
I’ve beaten Arkham knight like 8 times to 100%. 4 first run play throughs and 4 new game+’s, including the dlc missions. That’s how much I love that game.
@@akaricodane401 Everytime I see that assholes face it encourages me to beat them again and again for the sole purpose of punching his face. I really thought I was gonna have the chance to do it in City but this one was well worth it. Cheating in a game and calling himself better than Batman? That I can’t let that slide.
Arkham Knight was soooo good. The Riddler's riddles were sometimes pretty annoying but so rewarding when I completed all of them. The random hilarious conversations had by the bad guys was a great addition as well. I was hoping to get more of the same with better graphics with Gotham Knights but alas, it was not meant to be.
Actual question. did you see batman in a videogame and just assume 'must be an arkham game' despite the developers constantly telling people the contrary? why would you expect the same type of game when its not the same type of game?
@@jarvaewray453 but they aren't it's predecessors. The only comparison you can make is that they're both set in the DC universe. They're 2 completely different styles of games. You wouldn't compare a batman puzzle game to Arkham knight
@@TheCheekiestOfBreeks well it is a question. If you turn it into an argument, it just shows how arrogant you are. The game is great, even the steam reviews agreesl
One Achievement of Gotham Knights is that it made me replay Arkham Knight
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The Goated game of the series!
2nd achi. Was
It was definatly better then marvel avengers
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I still play Arkham Knight even now to this day and for a game made 7+ years ago it still holds up to games made today in 2022
Gotham nights was j a 70 dollar reminder to go back and play Arkham knight
People gawk about Arkham Knights graphics (rightfully so they're mental) but the thing that impresses me most is how good the core gameplay loop is. Batman is just so responsive, the gliding feels fast, the combat is absolutely amazing, the fear takedowns make the combat more cinematic as well, the stealth system is damn near flawless. The only thing that puts City over Knight for me is honestly the story
Me too bro. I love it
More like current games can kind of keep up with arkham knight
Totally agreed my friend :)
Stealth in Arkham was like a puzzle. And it was a great feeling. If you planned it out right, the enemies would fall like dominoes. And you'd end the sequence standing in the middle of all it, cape flowing. I miss that. I might have to just replay the Arkham games instead of this.
and what a great puzzle. i often restarted this missions because i wanted to get "All stealth knockouts" or something like this with the fear meter building up and so on...
good times, but hard (at least for me) to jump into from time to time
I bought all the Arkham games on steam for like 10 bucks, looking forward to replaying
@@elijahoneill5228 Dang! That’s a nice deal
You are forgetting it isn’t arkham
Time to wear the cap
Once I saw health bars and level numbers for enemies above their heads during their show case a couple years back, I started my doubts.
A "lead me by the hand" RPG.
Health bar and levels?
Are you ppl serious?
We have these for 40 years and most of the games have it but here is somehow issue?
Sometimes i dont know if ppl are sarcastic or just stupid.
@@MC-hn8yy He isn't sarcastic, there are times for it. Just because it has existed for a long time, does not mean that you should go around and put a health bar on every single street crock
@@MC-hn8yy turn off world of warcraft kid
@@MC-hn8yy boomer
The bat family struggling to live up to the Batman's legacy. Ironically accurate really.
It's not truly ironic though.
@@philithegamer8265 I too took English class
Azrael should show up and beat all their asses.
Just get rid of bat girl 😂
@@calcaleb7041why , some of us enjoy playing with a female character
"Health bar" fights are such a blight on modern games. In the arkham games there were so many ways to immediately put down an enemy in a real and satisfying feeling way. It felt like you were knocking goons' heads together, not just depleting an arbitrary health bar
Arkham Games weren't an Action RPG, Gotham Knights is that, and those games feature Health Bars for a good reason.
@Graham Wilson Because Arkham Games aren't Action RPGs, they were just Action Adventures.
totally agree....the health bar is really distracting, and it muddles the visuals
You can make the health bars go away 🤣 how does knowing how much health an enemy has ruin the game? There is code in all games that registers how much health an enemy has 🤣 and you’re mad because you see it. Nice
@@Sn1pEzTV I get what you're saying, but honestly, there was no reason to make this game more of an action RPG than the Arkham games. Seems like most games are trying to be health bar, numbers flying everywhere RPGs now. The previous system had great progression and avoided the excessive gaminess that so many games suffer from now
I think stealth is the main issue. Arkham games required meticulous planning sometimes and use of every gadget at disposal and real concentration. It made you feel like batman. Here you sneak around from point to point maybe distract a bit and then knock down.
Hey I know this is one year on and people have moved on and forgotten this piece of crap but yeah your absaloutly right what I loved about the Arkham games is you could choose your approach to how you want to take out enemy’s and that gives you the feel of being Batman while sadly this game has none of that it just feels like a grind system with no end or purpose it’s a shame because this could have fitted into the arkhamverse if they’d have made it the sequel to Arkham knight maybe change up the gameplay added new innovations because originaly I thought it was gonna be exactly that an Arkham knight sequel
@@joehobbs3277 yeah man totally agree with you. Merely one of many reasons this game dropped off
So crazy watching a reviewer that actually plays the game and finishes it
that's the whole point of playing games dude, i mean you asking people review to must stop in early if they didn't like it? duh.
@@raitosg4414 I don't know what you mean but ok sounds reasonable
Its okay i get what you mean, lately they just give anybody a chance to review games.
ikr? lately these "expert reviewers" feels like they make reviews based off the feeling of a 2 hours demo gameplay lol, chapeau to Falcon and Gameranx to be real ones.
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Watching this made me want to replay the arkham games
That’s what I did right after playing Gotham Knights. I purchased all the Arkham games once again for my PS5 just to appreciate the great work Rocksteady did back then and playing Arkham City rn
@@xXAhnungsL0sXx Arkham Knight on series X!👌
I'm re in-stalling arkham knights on steam to play through again.
Yes play the Arkham series lol much better than playing Batmans little helpers
I just got all Arkham games for 9 dollars total. I had been wanting to get them. I’m stuck on a level tho
I feel like it could’ve work if they had stories of each characters based on a trait of Batman/villains. With the final level forcing each character work together with there skills to defeat the Court Of The Owls as a team.
Bat-Girl - Is the one going around to hack computers and collect information. (Penguin/Riddlers)
Nightwing - Focuses on combat stealth and break-in. (Black Mask/Harley Quinn)
Red Hood - Be the fire power. Doing take down mission and junk. (Killer Croc/Clay-Face)
Robin - Is the detective, trying uncover a certain villains secretly supporting Court. Working hard to find their whereabouts of these enemies. (Two-face/Hush)
You make a good point. However, personally I would switch Batgirl and Robin (since he specializes in tech while her time as Oracle has made her the best in forensics and information networks), along with Nightwing and Red Hood (NW has a lot of experience with large and stronger enemies from his Titans experience and RH is completely reliant on handguns and the occasional sucker punch).
@@lukeskywalker987 I think he had it right. When it comes to the hacker stuff, Babs has an edge over Robin. Tim is known as the best detective in family, even surpassing Batman
@@Strategic_Mover True. I just thought it would be more interesting if Tim focused on tech and rooting through code (since Tynion's run really emphasized his affinity for computers) while Barbara would just happen to use hacking in her information gathering and more traditional detective work, especially since they could tie it in with her dad's work as the police chief.
Switch Robin/Nightwing.
Here-in lies the issue, that’s what we all thought, mission requirements, but the studio didn’t even think of that.
I find it interesting how both Gotham Knights (developed by a WB owned studio) and the upcoming Suicide Squad game (also developed by a WB owned studio) both got delayed the same month the Avengers game was released which was heavily criticized for the live service aspect. Considering how Gotham Knights appears to have been designed as a live service game originally, it wouldn't surprise me if Suicide Squad was too, hence the delay for both games. What's even more interesting is that right after Gotham Knights is released and the reviews are out, it is announced that the two co-founders of Rocksteady (who is developing Suicide Squad) have decided to leave the company.
Yea but rocksteady worked on the suicide squad
@@Roman_Perez7 Yeah obviously Rocksteady are working on it, that's the point. Both teams had their games delayed the same month the Avengers game released and two co-founders of Rocksteady departed after the monumental bad reception of Gotham Knights which implies Rocksteady's Suicde Squad game is following a similar model which is not a good sign.
@@ezzahhh On the bright side, at least GAAS is slowly getting thrown away by game developers. Hopefully, Rocksteady can fix Suicide Squad before it comes out.
@@ezzahhh I woudn´t doubt the Suicide Squad game may follow the same multiplayer mechanics as Gotham Knights but I hope they keep the free flow combat system and stealth mechanics from the Arkham games.
@@IMEGA_Arts why? It isn't the same type of game at ALL... look at the trailers. It won't have that. Not the type of game my guy
Arkham Origins is actually a really good indicator of the design philosophy at WB Montreal. Half the map was designed by Rocksteady for Arkham Coty and just kinda dressed up to match the aesthetic of Arkham Origins. So the steel mill, the church, etc looked really good.
Then they make you cross a reaaaaaaally long bridge to get to the other side of town, and its generic tall buildings and fast travel points. I haven't played Arkham City in years and I could still tell you where the GCPD building is relative to the Museum and the Iceberg Lounge. But I literally can't name any landmark from Origins besides the one big building and I don't even remember where in the map it is.
They basically just rehash what rocksteady does with arkham series. They just add twists of their own and release it to make money. The only good thing they did was the detective mode if im not mistaken.
Exactly! Don't forget the empty lazy outside textures covered in snow. Everyone seems to gloss over those points when they nostalgically talk about Origins
@@mgiebus1869 Outside textures for snow? They modelled actual snow and had snow deformation. Definitely not textures. It was actually pretty "revolutionary" to have snow deformation in that game, along with HBAO+.
I don't massively disagree with your point about design philosophy, and I do feel that the gameplay is a bit "iffy" for Origins, but the best boss battles (bar Freeze in City) are in Origins, and it has (in my opinion, at least) the best story of the 4 games. Without City, it wouldn't be what it is, but entirely on its' own merits, ignoring City, the game is fine. It's a sequel like most are, not revolutionary like City was to Asylum. But given the foundation *is* City, it's still a damn good game, and a far sight better than Gotham Knights and most other games.
@@GrammarNaziAUSwhat's hbao+? Also they clearly used the snow to avoid having to actually draw in detailed street and flooring textures like those in City and Knight. It only becomes more obvious as you traverse the city (which was clumsily designed). Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it last Christmas, the boss fights were awesome. But their laziness in game design is prevalent all throughout
I believe the game had two very dramatic shifts in development. The first was that this Gotham Knights was originally a direct sequel to Arkham Knight and took place in the same continuity, because a lot of its gameplay and story decisions give it that "Copy my homework but change it just enough to not be obvious" vibe, before it was turned from the action-adventure genre of the Arkham series into a full-on live service RPG game (probably) very early in development, and in doing so, it was also changed to take place in its own separate universe, partly for creative freedom and partly to separate it further from the Arkham series.
The second shift was when Avengers came out and was total shit, so WB tried to strip out as much of that aspect of the game as they could without requiring the devs to basically start over from scratch on the gameplay side of things, leading to it feeling like a bastard child between Avengers and the Arkham games.
Sounds logical
@@ARUclipsUser1 sounds stupid as all hell
This game is nothing like any of the arkham games. WB montreal wouldn't just make a game and then claim 'well its an arkham game' because that is actually stupid as all hell. They only developed arkham origins so rocksteady could have more time working on knight so there is no chance that the sequel to one of the most beloved video game franchises wouldnt be worked on by the company responsible for those amazing games. The more i think about it, the stories dont even line up and its just as unlikely that they scrapped the sequel idea and then came up with an entirely new storyline
@@funkychunk1343 fancy seeing you here fraud. Still coping huh 😂
@@funkychunk1343 Search up the canceled Damian Wayne game. You’ll get ur answers. They canceled an Arkham sequel to knight for this dumpster fire mediocre knights
The big thing about the Arkham combat that I think is easily missed is how Batman would "lock on" to enemies-- like if I push up on my left stick with the punch button, and there's an enemy in front he'll "jump" over to that enemy to hit them. That's what gave it that flow
I can tell just by the videos for Gotham Knights that this part was gutted. The combat instead looks more like superhero games prior to Arkham Asylum, where you really have to aim at them on your own to do any damage.
So if you're going to make 90% of your game just combat, at least build off of the best combat system and make it the best part??
From many videos i watch, the lack of gadget hurt me the most actually. One of the most fun aspect in Arkham freeflow combat is the puzzle element to maximize the effect of the gadget on the combat. And its gone in Gotham Knight
Uh no, the "aiming" is the exact same as the old arkham games.
I have to agree with you @Nick Lanny. Seeing Batgirl fight, there are literally no longer any transition animations when she switches from focusing on one enemy to another. She just slide-rotates from one to another now.
Why should they bother making anything better? The previous game was a blast, ppl will buy this one jsut for the franchise. Typical corporate milk it till its buried policy...
@Shawn Rasmussen Sadly, these non-players will proceed to complain about a game they never actually play and discourage other players that might've been interested.
Arkham Knight's progression system: "Mr Wayne, i have developed a new suit that will give you faster and more dynamic movement"
Gotham Knight's progression system: "And if you craft this green thingy you can get an additional 12 strength points"
This is so accurate, it’s hilarious! 😂
I kind of hate playing Superhero games with looting and crafting and gear loadouts. I think the Arkham Games and last 2 Spider-man games were the perfect way to let you feel powerful and also have fun without tedeious loot and mobile game levels of currencies. Even going back to games like Infamous and Prototye I think they worked really well without a loot and gear system.
Agreed 100%!!!!!
And ghost of tsushima as well to an extent
I forgot how good Arkham Knight looks wow
If someone told me it was a new PS5/Xbox Series game, I would probably believe them.
Ditto. Aged like wine.
@@philithegamer8265 Even the lack of loading screens in most parts of the game makes it feel really recent. Overall, very impressive for something that is on UE3.
Your review was the one that changed the tide for me... I don't have money to waste on what looks like (and probably felt like) "Batman 3.5 - the abridged story"
When it hits about $10-$15 it's worth what it offers.
This is what happens when developers say they need more time but sales team won't give them more time. You get a half finished game that they were clearly redoing it after some bad decisions when they had to tape it together and just release it
Lmao even if they had another 10 years to work on this dog shit game it was doomed from its foundation.
Definitely right this is most likely what happened. That or the developers just don’t have normal human brains. Maybe the second thing tbh. Most boring game I’ve ever played.
any game where you play as Batgirl is going to flop. Just say the truth everyone knows.
@@johnames6430 Batgirl is cool, what do you mean? And you also get Nightwing and Red hood, which are very cool. Robin has always been boring to me but it's not a game only about Batgirl
Your living in denial my dear Augustus. This game flopped not just because it only ran on 30 and a few bugs. But the story was dull. The leauge and the court of owls didnt have enough charm to carry the game. The main story was calling out for someone crazy to keep us bouncing and entertained. The combat was more frustrating then fun. And there was not enough love put into the game its that simple. But I will say the boss fights (which arkham knight lacked) in the game especially the three side missions with Clayface Freeze and Harley are some of the best I have played. Also voice cast was decent. But besides that it was an extremely lackluster game. And had nothing going for it. The thing is buddy if you make excuses for them they will keep making crap and sell crappie because they know people are blinded by loyalty.
I believe you're 100% correct about it being a live service title in the beginning. I also believe that the game started out as an Arkham game and they change the story when they realized that they couldn't measure up. The story lines are just too similar especially if you play the Jason Todd parts. They probably realized that they didn't want to be Shackled by the Arkham narrative and just went with a lazier knock off
Other people need to stop comparing this to the Arkham games because the game developers have made it clear it wasn't trying to be those games
@@animezilla4486 You can't blame them for comparing. Same source city and characters, different interpretations. Open world traversal with grappling, gliding (Batgirl only) and summoning a vehicle from anywhere in the city. Stealth mechanics. Combat involving martial arts, gadgets and clearing a whole room full of enemies. An experience centered on the story. You can totally see why comparisons are made, even when the games differ in continuity, art direction and certain mechanics. Gotham Knights and Arkham is a way fairer comparison than something like Gotham Knights and God of War.
@@animezilla4486 if they wanted it to be completely different they should have made it more different
@@-Teague- when you are making a Batman project of course you expect it to be dark and gritty when the devs was probably taking inspiration from the Arkham series to incorporate into Gotham knights
@@animezilla4486 it's not just dark and gritty so many of the textures and character designs are like copied homework of the Arkham series
I really don't like seeing those health bar in this game, in earlier demo they didn't show it and it was looking and feeling better, but right now it's not that good seeing health bars of enemies.
Honestly I don't understand the point of a health bar system in this game. It works just as well without it so like... Why?
I feel like the combat system should’ve stayed the same
i really enjoy the combat actually
It’s still good quit whining
I kinda appreciate them changing it, and doing there own thing
@@Oneandonlycrip it runs at sub 30 fps a lot of the time. It’s trash
Why should it stay the same when its not an Arkham game? Man it's like yall didn't see the reveals or anything, it's suddenly an issue once it comes out?
I was working at WB Montreal when this game was greenlit. Before that, the game had been scrapped and started over a bunch of times. Each time a new team of people took over. The pitch that ended up going somewhere enough for them to have built a small demo and pitch video was an idea that combined aspects from the Shadow of Mordor games with Batman. Except there was no Batman. The video they showed at a town hall meeting was interesting.
Areas of the city were taken over by villains that were built using a Nemesis like system. It was Shadow of Mordor, but in the Batman universe and with Co-op. Batgirl also had a really nice butt, which the start of the video focused on a lot (the initial camera pan and scene of her walking showed she had a bugger, rounder butt than in the final product). That was the pitch they were taking to Burbank to get it greenlit, and they did get it.
This seemed to be the course they were going down when I left WB Games Montreal. I don't know what happened. Could they not get the Nemesis system working? Maybe they couldn't get the rights to it from Monolith. Did COVID have an effect on any of it? The pitch they originally had was a lot better than what we got in the end. I really wonder what happened.
The sad thing about this IP is that if they didn't try too hard to "not be arkham" they would have had an easier time. Now I think the Suicide Squad game is gonna get the same treatment.
I feel this is what is lacking with coop games nowadays, its almost always a singleplayer experience where another person or two gets to tag along, I want people to usher in a coop game renaissance where the coop character is integrated to the game, where you can do more things together. A good example would be the recent It Takes Two, hell even Dead Space 3 your coop character was integrated to the story!
It takes two is such a good game
Just when you think it's getting a lil boring it turns up
Never forget little big planet. That shit was a classic.
Portal 2 also had a GREAT co-op feature. Requiring 2 characters to solve puzzles.
the warriors
Adding your coop character into the actualy story would take way more effort though. It takes 2 had coop story intergration because your meant to play it in coop. Adding coop story integration to a game like this would mean that so much of the game, especially all the cutscenes would have to be remade just incase someone decides to play coop
This is why I’m subscribed to gameranx, gives an honest critique without being afraid of what devs might say. Saves me money everytime a new hyped game comes out. I loved the original Arkham games but after seeing this review I can skip this one.
Honestly the game is ok but my main problem is we didn’t really see much of anything, like for a game on PS5 AND the fact both the talons feral and hunters are pretty cool to fight it would’ve been awsome seeing them go at the league at times in mission maybe even some hunters underground HUNTING the manbat like come on, Use Your enemies, make it feel like a warzone, And for crying out loud, the freaks look and feel like a threat even if a little maybe we can see a scene where the court was caught off guard and we see an army of Freaks even if weak gang up against them to show us everyone wants the power. honestly my only complaint is they have a lot of missed opportunities on enemies, making them come at You OR each other like make it feel like a war on all fronts don’t just say random things and we see bodies, let us see some groups battling one another.
I think Gotham Knights is fun. It has a few errors but a patch is coming today for stability.
Part of the reason Gotham Knights looks so dumb is because they probably wanted to make fortnite. But then when they saw that the Avengers mmo flopped they converted it to co-op/single player. The greed of companies…
I have to disagree with the Riddler trophies, those were the best puzzle solving side quest from the whole series and each game bringing in new ways and versions to test you using Batman's abilities and skills was the cherry on top. Some were really frustrating because even after trying everything I could think of and going 360 camera mode to figure out the puzzle before I started, that still wasn't enough or at times didn't allow you to do so and had to go through it at least once to grasp how it'll work. That's where becoming really proficient in scanning the whole room and observing what exactly to look out for became such a really good skill to pick and made me love it even more.
I liked the Riddler trophies for the most part, but City and Knight had way more than they needed. It was to the point where it felt more like padding than challenge for a lot of them. Knight made it even worse by making you dependent on the batmobile for so many of them as well (don't even get me started on the damn races), to the point where you almost had to spend more time playing as the batmobile than batman. Asylum had the best balance for the trophies. You could get most of them just playing through the story with some minimal backtracking at the end after you get the last gadgets. Origins did a lot better with them as well
@@SomewhatSlightlyBored For me they were fun but I didn't stumble upon them right and by the time I completed almost everything I realized I had to go hunting down each and every location even if I already took it to go through a list and make sure I don't miss anything.
It sucked. Not the trophies itself, but the fact that they started to make the gameplay a bit agitating.
If you remember Arkham City there was riddler trophies put in the game for Catwoman. How would you feel if they incorporated riddler trophies specifically for each member of the bat family. If they made a sequel to this I would like to see Catwoman. Playing as Catwoman in Arkham City was a lot of fun
What would have been cool is if you team up with another person, it would unlock a special move set (think Wolverine's Fastball Special, but for the Batfam).
It's does have team up attacks but only after you grab an enemy and select it
And the “team attack” is one member throwing the enemy to the other player to do a minuscule amount of damage
@@CannedCam for me their insta kills
@@CannedCam aw, boo.
I really like GK. This is a new game and isn't an Arkham game. Yes you can make comparisons but it isn't the same. I like the rpg aspect of the bat family game. It isn't as dumbed down as quests given by characters. there is the largest scale version of Gotham to explore. I like it and look forward to more.
I think with reviews being what they are you most likely won’t see too much more of this game outside of maybe a short story DLC.
I like that somebody actually has a honest opinion. People should play games cuz they like em. Not cuz review told em it's bad. Talking to the other guy who commented below lol
Agreed...
This isn't Batman.....
Of course people are gonna compare it, but it's a different game...
I'm loving it
Same who wouldn't want an RPG superhero game. Arkham games had in button counter lol
@@bohannon2692 it's all happening..
The stutters on PC piss me off, traversing through the open world is really hit or miss but I have fun overall. I like the combat system. Very rewarding and satisfying once you get it
I feel like as games get better with technology and graphics they get much worse in style,execution and story and gameplay, people play games to have fun. It’s hard to play games today cause they are not fun anymore and over priced
The crafting system was a little weird at first and took until reaching lvl 40 and finishing new game plus to fully understand it... But once you start crafting legendary gear and building your character the way you want... The game changed in a very good way for me. I'm hoping for more endgame content to come.
Same here , also I find every people complaint about the game are very personal ,0 point to read what they type
The fact that that the Gotham Knights is locked to 30 FPS on next gen consoles with no Performance or Quality mode is an actual crime.
It's a joke
@@blade5883 it’s not bad
I'll still probably check this out on a deep Steam sale or Game Pass release, because I'm a Bat-nerd, but I wasn't surprised to find out it has problems. I agree with the idea that it was designed as live service and that's why it fails gameplay wise. Just the lack of the old counter system seems to indicate that to me, as it sounds like something that would be tricky to solve for multiplayer, but trimming it down to simply dodges makes things a whole lot easier.
I'd love a really good game for Nightwing or Batgirl. It makes me sad that this wasn't it.
It believe that it could be tricky but I don't think it's technically impossible to implement counters. If the rumors are true about Marvel's Spider-Man 2 having co-op then these devs will look even worse.
@@maineman5757 I agree, it could definitely be done, but taking them out is just easier. So, if your original intent is make a multiplayer focuses live service game, you might cut them altogether earlier in development. Of course, I don't know, but that's my speculation on why they aren't there.
@@maineman5757 wait FOR REAL I know you said rumors but if that actually happens that will be soo damn cool
@@maineman5757 Marvel's Spider-Man 2 will not have Co-op Insomniac confirmed it.
At this point it's just hard to even get hyped at any game now. I did get hyped about this game but I waited I learned my lesson and I'm glad I did
As I watch this video, this game is currently in my mailbox waiting for me to get home and play it. Now I'm considering trading it in for something else.....
Honestly try it. You gotta form your own opinion of the game because this game is fairly split in terms of people saying bad vs good. I think the bad is drowning it out because a lot of the reviewers keep comparing it to arkham as opposed to being its own game
@@sk8erman773 they should hold it up to that standard.
@@sk8erman773 your last statement is basically saying we consumers SHOULD accept sub par games when we've already had better... in the EXACT same field.
Try things out for yourself. I promise you’ll enjoy. Crapping on games is a business. They were set on doing that before it even came out.
There's awesome games coming like God of War, The Callisto Protocol, and Midnight Suns. If you're short on money I'd return it.
This game as you said was suppose to be live service, the writing is on the wall. All of the mechanics you point out as lackluster work FAR BETTER in a single player capacity because the player needs overall control of the space, multiple autonomous players working together is far more chaotic in nature. The game was made with the thought of giving as much freedom to multiple players at once WITHOUT having thier individual actions reduce the quality of play for another. Example: if the suit upgrade system was built around aquiring specific pieces scattered across the map how do you implement that for multiple people if some are locked by level or ability without spoiling finds?
This should have been at most a 2 player old school split screen. Every knight should have been the focus of a specific story advancing arc as well as side mission focus. Even if you could switch characters that would have been great. They tried so hard to be DIFFERENT then the original series they became the misfit! You had the formula you didnt need to change much, you introduced 4 characters instead of 1, that automatically through story telling, character advancement and potential combo capability creates distingushed elements!
I’ll check it out when it’s $20
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I agree with your comparisons to the Arkham games but I also think that there are a lot of differences that were ignored. All the characters feel different, there’s more of a focus on character development, the grapple is more useful because it can aim down, there’s a lot more freedom in the combat, and the customizable suits are fun.
Other than that, I agree with mostly everything you said. I give Gotham Knights a 7.
The grapple animations are a joke
@@flashx9645 ong bro 😂
Like with every other game that has come out recently, the problem is usually not lazy devs, it’s higher than that. Greedy executives and poor project management. Shove things out the door, make money, rinse and repeat
Completely agreed. The worst part is the frauds on copium being like “Reeeeee don’t compare with Arkham games”. Bunch of clowns who have got their standards so low that we just have to accept this as it is even when a game 7 years ago pretty much destroys this in nearly every regard.
Edit: Funky Chunk13 is a baby who has got his feelings hurt after I called out his low standards.
my brother in christ, THIS GAME IS NOTHING LIKE THE ARKHAM GAMES AND SINCE WHEN DID GRAPHICAL FIDELITY COUNT AS NEAR EVERY REGARD. Gotham knights has a better cast of characters, isnt relying on mark hamill and kevin conroy to carry the performance, ACTUALLY HAS A GOOD STORY and doesnt ruin what was meant to be such a massive moment with the arkham knight reveal by showing like 5 different jason todd scenes in a series that hadn't even mentioned him before. Maybe play the game before you just blindly agree with what someone else is saying. Sheep goes baa
@@funkychunk1343
“NOTHING LIKE THE ARKHAM GAMES…”
Completely false but keep coping if it makes you feel better about playing the game.
“SINCE WHEN DID GRAPHIC FIDELITY COUNT AS NEAR EVERY REGARD”
Never said it did, nice false assumption.
“Gotham knights has a better cast of characters…”
Cute, all subjective and I disagree just as you disagree with me. Difference being I ain’t mad like a kid typing in caps like you did.
“ACTUALLY HAS A GOOD STORY…”
Cute. Ending was disappointing and they couldn’t even take advantage of the cowls.
“Maybe play the game before you just blindly agree with what someone else is saying. Sheep goes baa”.
What makes you think I didn’t LOOOOOOOL. So mad that you see someone disliking the game and falsely assume they haven’t played it.
@@HazzyDevil you're so bias. There's literally no point arguing with you because of that massive 'i love Arkham knight' dildo up your ass. Your opinion is completely invalid if you haven't played the game
@@funkychunk1343 “you’re so bias”
LOOOOL - and you aren’t? Kid doesn’t know what opinions are. Doesn’t matter which game you prefer, you’ll always see the opposite opinion as biased. Still falsely assuming that I haven’t played the game to fit your flawed agenda huh.
Your opinion is invalid. Just a sad fanboy who got hurt after seeing someone dislike their favourite game. Don’t cry baby 🤣
@@funkychunk1343 I’m sorry for your low standards in gaming fraud 🤡
The live service point is exactly what I commented on the Before You Buy. This was definitely made as a live service superhero game to compete with Avengers, that got slaughtered, and the same month this game was delayed and now releases with the shell of a live service game. Coincidence?
I hate those people that defend Gotham Knights like their life depended on it and say that the game was not going to be a live service game when the game has alot of live service elements and gameplay similar to Avengers.
@@Mr.PR2000 yh its pretty obvious, otherwise why make the story so grindy
@@Frost4Real I’m pissed off because i payed 94 dollars now. I played through with Robin(He is fun as hell) but now I don’t feel the urge to play. Spider-Man ps4 had a different effect on me. I’ve replayed Spider-man remastered like 5 times.
@@Mr.PR2000 thats tuff bro. Yeah the Spider-Man games are like crack, so good, platinumed both.
@@Frost4Real I want superhero games to be more like Marvel’s Spider-man,Ghost of Tsushima and Days gone. That quality. I was hoping Knights was like that 🤦🏻♂️
"What went wrong"? They cut corners like it was a cheap sandwich. Decades apart with the Arkham games, and it looks much worse.
I remember the demo for Arkham Asylum, I played that for hours on end as a kid because, obviously being a kid, I didn't have any money for games. When I saw Knights and saw some gameplay lil bit of cutscenes with dialouge it seemed very poor in comparison to the Arkham series so I think I'll keep my hard earned money and replay what I have.
See the game is fun if you don't compare it to the Arkham games but that's a tall order. currently what's stopping me from playing it is the new update they gave out today. I have not once crashed at all until this update and its virtually unplayable. I'm hoping it can be fixed because I love the bat family and being able to play as them in my opinion is fantastic
It's a spinoff of the Arkham trilogy of course people are going to compare it to the previous entry. The damage control is already in full swing and the game is barely out amazing no wonder companies can screw over people
The game is okay, fun to play with a friend. The lasting appeal: there isn't much. Get it on sale for you and a friend and fight crime together.
I feel that you just compared it to the Arkham games throughout the whole video without trying to look at it as just another game. ive played spiderman loads of times and loved it. sure as hell beats that slow asf glide that batman has and yet i liked them both. It's not Arkham guys. some people worked really hard on this game so appreciate it for what it is....not because "its just not as good as batman"
Exactly
Worked really hard on a trash game yep 💩 and what u talking about Batman glide slow af u seen how fast u glides in Arkham knight? 🤡
@@JJS595 bro 🤣... Compared to spidery. That glide drags ass 🤣😂.. However your entitled to your opinion and I respect that. Have a bangin day man 🤙🏾
The state of AAA gaming is depressing
I can get behind some of your criticisms here, but despite them I have not had this much fun with a game in a long time. There are definitely some quality of life improvements I would like to see, but man I have not been able to put this game down since it came out. My best friend and I have been having a blast running through Gotham and completing missions. I cant help but hope we are going to see some follow up games in the same vein that revolve around the Teen Titans and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If Gotham Knights can be a starting point.. then I have high hopes for future installments.
I think Gotham Knights is actually really good. It doesn't exactly bring anything new to the formula, but it plays very well and just fun beating up enemies and exploring Gotham.
its really not a good game. you are allowed to like it but no one else does so congrats?
@@hsizzle4502 If you read any reviews on metacritic, you would see that many people actually do enjoy it, but reading is probably a little too difficult for you.
The pushback from people saying it's unfair to compare it to the arkham series is in itself unfair. I don't feel bad expecting a publisher to maintain standards at least as high, preferably higher, than a decade old game. This game has a feel like if the Spiderman developers were like "no we're not allowed to have good swinging so we don't look too close to Spiderman2, make utter shyte swinging".
Man stealth is my favourite part of the Arkham games, and I loved how it was necessary. The fact that you can just dodge bullets doesn’t make sense, I mean you sorta could in Arkham but it wasn’t all the time and it was just when you were in combat to get open to then take down the guy with a gun
Nothing went wrong Arkham is a legendary series but in my opinion they did pretty good with Gotham knights and captured mostly the best of each character and making it diverse. If they made it just like Arkham ppl would complain about it being a copy and pace
Tbh the main problem was they wanted to make it like SPIDERMAN rather than Arkham like game or yeah they can make it different obviously but here the identity is missing where it doesn't gives us a feel like a Batman game or bat family game which rocksteady focussed on that is comic accuracy rather than random formula.
Rocksteady didn't develop GK
@@wrydstepbr0_0 yeah i know i think you understand it wrong i didn't write WB Montreal but i was talking about WB Montreal & then obviously i said rocksteady focussed on comic accurate rather than random thing like GK
Something that really hurt this game for me was the ending.
Spoilers below.
I went into the final mission as Jason. I did not know that this was the final mission. The game did not tell me. There was little to no story indication that this was the final mission.
I actually liked the fight against Bruce as Jason. It felt like something right out of the comics, Jason pleading with Bruce as he slowly came back to his senses.
But Jason’s ending speech felt weak and stilted. I didn’t think that was gonna be the final cutscene, but it was. I actually liked the performance, but it just wasn’t the high note I wanted the game to end on. I wanted to see the Knights talking as one, not Jason just giving a one-note speech. Like, holy fuck, why have four characters, if you aren’t gonna use them!
my hope is that this will be an example of a sequel that makes big changes- I'd still love to see these characters with more attention and focus, but maybe add more Arkham back to the recipe
Just wondering....
They can make Arkham games that is set up between the Origins and Asylum....
There is so much potential here....
I personally like the game but I do agree they could fix a few things for sure
If I could get the freeflow combat back and 60fps, I’d be good.
@@TheAtlbravos22 I agree 100% plus better bike speed
You can notice how the videogame industry is losing passionate developers, like they're pulling out games for live services and easy money with no inspiration or creativity, no love for the art.
For me, nothing went wrong. I am really enjoying this and it may well be my favourite game released this year!
Definitely one of the games that released this year that’s for sure
So many people think that this game is in related to the Arkham series, it isn't. The only thing it's related to is that the devs made Arkham Origins, that's it. The main trilogy of Arkham games have nothing to do with this game and anyone who cannot just do a little bit of research to figure that out, you're an idiot.
The devs made the game LOOK like the Arkham series just to trick people into buying it and cash in on the hopes people will think it is a return to the Arkham game universe
I don’t have any issues with the game. I’ve put almost 30 hours into it and I’m loving it. Fun game and it looks great on my series X. It’s only dashboarded me twice but I loaded back in to where I left off within a few minutes. Really fun game. Don’t believe all the bad reviews. If you’re on the fence wait a few months, it’ll probably be on sale.
The city in the Gotham Knights also feels so empty and barren. Yeah in Arkham Knight the entire city is evacuated but you still find militia and random thugs talking and cars which the thugs are in.
The upgrade system is the most confusing thing ive ever seen. Like why do we need to random ass things to make a suit.
This one is a nitpick but ive never really liked health-bars. The health-bar just makes it look a bit weird to me, the akrham games thankfully never had a health bar for the enemies.
Just because the same studio did Arkham Origins and Gotham Knights that doesn't mean it was made by the same creative team and it shows. AO was spearheaded by Eric Holmes and Ben Mattes who were huge Batman fans and understood what worked in City and what needed development (crime investigation, boss battles, enemy variety) as well as the idea that you should probably be able to play as Batman in a Batman game, instead of the sidekicks. Sadly, they were no longer with the company once this trash was being made.
Killing batman in the first place was fucked up
Gotham Knights was supposed to be a live service game its pretty apparant from the start but then the devs saw what happened to the Avengers and tracked back but they had already made the structure to be that of a live service so they made the entire game on it as making it again from scratch will take a long time, that's where things went wrong
"Gotham Knights was supposed to be a live service game " When you start out with a lie, well nothing else you say matters.
Reality must be your trigger.
@@frostbittenprophet4852 dude... why are you believing your own lie? It's so apparent this was to be live action then they got shook
The Warner Brothers have some of the lamest CEO's ever
People there are capable to go back to their mother''s belly just to change their gender, if that would made them more rich
@@RtistiqSkubie Show me where it was supposed to be a live service game. You guys keep claiming this with no evidence at all.
Just like people keep trying to shoe horn this in with AK when the company literally said it wasn't an AK game.
Your expectations and fever dreams are not reality. Sorry reality is a trigger.
Arkham games were something else. Incredibly amazing. Gotham Knights just doesn't feel the same at all.
I agree with everything you're saying, but I really don't get what your obsession is with the Riddler trophies. Those things were tedious and boring as all hell.
Feels like they could have done so much more but they it seems like they phoned it in. They had a great blue print with so many opportunities to expand upon but like you said they probably went the marvel avengers route then back tracked heavy smh
I’m not sure why people are surprised that this game sucks. It’s made by WB Montreal. They can’t make a Batman game to save their life😭😭 Only Rocksteady should be allowed to make Batman games
There are three types of collectibles: batarangs, landmarks, and historia strigidae. And let me tell you, trying to collect them was incredibly painful. For one, you can only see them if you have AR vision on, so I have to spam up on the d-pad when navigating the city. Second, the indicators for them are tiny. Landmarks can be recorded by scanning square plaques on the side of them, no matter how big it is. It makes sense, but when you're gliding or driving around, it is hard to pinpoint which is a landmark and which is not. The last collectible is weird too, because they have white indicators that tell you that they are near, but the distance that the collectible is from the indicator varies dramatically depending on the location.
What I noticed with WB Montreal games, is they always hype up one villain to be the REAL BIG BAD (Black Mask *cough cough*) then they go and replace them with another villain.
2:36 Why does a 13 year old game look better than a “next-gen” 2022 AAA title?
I’ve been loving my time with the game , and have seen nothing but positive reviews from people who are playing the game. Yes there could be some additions to make the game better but it’s still really fun. Also been having fun messing around in Co-op
Where?
@@swift-pawedteif386 where what?
I was so looking forward to GK but the final 2 Batman games took a different direction, so this should be of no surprise that they focused on the big picture but took away those small intimate moments we loved in the first 2 Batman games. The op nailed it when he’s said mission structure isn’t there. There were huge issues with the fan base on those last two Batman games, we hated driving around and they gave us more of it. Another out of touch studio who doesn’t care about 1) future of their studio 2) because they are more focused on investors 3) when they should be focused on innovation of gameplay 4) and drafting an unforgettable storyline
9:29: Nightwing got a Fortnite glider. 💀
I couldn't even get past the tutorial for this game. It was just that bad. Everything just felt so unrefined and rushed. The writing was terrible, the animations felt janky compared to the fluid animations of the Arkham games, and the combat by far was worst thing. They should've just stuck with the Arkham formula, making this game a grindy RPG was the worse decision they could ever make.
Many problems with this game:
- no real point in upgrading anything due to defence metrics are void. You can make your armor twice as good but the same low-tier enemies will still be able to take a sizable chunk of health off of you no matter what the defence rating is.
- hook-shot is slow and will shoot in a random direction. Most of the time you are shooting the hook in a direction that is behind you no matter which way you are facing. It's really hard to just go in the path you want.
- landing/perching on a hand rail or guard rail is easy - getting off in a timely manner is a whole other story....
- the fighting needs help. I F###### KNOW ITS NOT AN ARKHAM GAME, but the combo system made the arkham games awesome...... The fighting in this game has no flow at all.
- I also thought that this game would have more heros on the ground in Gotham throughout the night..... Turns out, your online friends have to do that because the other heros are just NPCs inside head quarters while you go at it alone. Normally I wouldnt care but since the concept of "body armor" means nothing in this game, you are alone to fight the baddies with a cardboard chest plate.
The game gave me the ick when I discovered there is no parry countering attacks.. and the stealth mechanic was not there either. But I liked the concept of being able to play as the bat family and the customization options.
Loved the Arkham City game the most. The best things about those games is you feel like you are actually batman - not kung fu man.
Facts, especially Arkham knight u feel the most as Batman beating up enemies, gliding around the beautiful city, the batmobile destroying everything in ur path
I was pretty exited about this game and it's now become something I will pick up for like £20 as a mess about in coop
In this comment you basically admitted that you don’t try a game out for yourself and you just let reviewers tell you what to get and not to get 💀 Npc Lmao
@some universe guy it's pretty obvious this game is mediocre. Plus it's smarter to wait and get it cheaper. Not like this game is going to stop existing in a year.
Controls are horrible, wings missions are the biggest pain in the AAA, lagy af and you have to play with the pixels other wise you will have 10 fps. I have i7 - GTX 1060 and i lag like crazy when i fly around.
With smaller studios releasing games like “Evil West” & “A Plague Tale”, this feels like an even bigger disappointment rn.
Not really cause this game is better than plague tale..
I'm so excited about Evil West
they are also smaller, more linear games. but yeah smaller studios tend to pour more of their hearts to the games
@@shimik11 Plagues tale is a 9/10 on steam. Wtf you're talking about.
@@shimik11 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
One more iconic thing about first batmobile summon was how rocksteady made it seem cinematically awesome by putting dialogue where batman says to alfred that he's "even-ing the odds" and the batmobile call button appears labeled as "even the odds"
In rocksteady we trust.
I love rock steady but I don't know that I'd call that iconic. It was around the same time that Call Of Duty asked us to press F to pay respects. Love Rock steady and Arkham but I think that's a little cringe even if it is Batman.
I do think that most if not almost all of the criticism against Gotham Knights are completely fair, cause it is in fact a considerably worse game than any of the Arkham series and it shows that it's development didn't have the same level of love or commitment to the game.
Having said that, I would also like to play a little bit of devils advocate here, cause I do think that some of the comparisons aren't really fair and some of the criticism are not really giving the game a chance to be it's own thing, there are some elements in gameplay that are different, but not different in a worse way, it's just another way to make a game and progression, but it's receiving criticism just because it's not like in the Arkham series.
Part of the Batmobile vs the Batcycle comparisons are a good example of this in my opinion, the Batcycles entrance is clearly less epic, but I don't think that's inherently bad, cause it's not trying to be epic, instead it's about showing how developed their tech is, like you mentioned the Batmobile plays a really important role in the story of Arkham Knight as it's meant to "even the odds" in a moment where the problem is feeling too big even for Batman, it's supposed to be epic and imposing, smashing every car it gets in its way, the Batcycle instead is not trying to be anything like that, it's just their way of moving faster, nothing more nothing less, it's not supposed to be imposing or destroy every car that gets in its way, mostly because this time there are actual people in those cars, but also because it's supposed to be a smaller and more versatile way of moving than the batmobile, again most of the criticism is really fair and deserved (even within that same example, the speed and speed animation of the batcycle is straight up bad), but we all just want to play a good game, and I think it's important to keep in mind these things in order to actually enjoy a game instead of constantly comparing it to others.
We still have Suicide Squad coming from Rocksteady. So let's cross our fingers that we're praising it and talking about how Rocksteady proved they're a bunch of bad motherfuckers again.
@@guybroyles48 I hope so. Not gonna lie the lack of promotional material has me worried. It's getting delayed for sure or it's just gonna be a trainwreck. Here's hoping it's the Arkham game we need.
These thugs feel lifeless but in Arkham series the thug were hands down one the best part of the game that I don't think any other game has copied it well , their interaction with each other, their conspiracy theories , their reaction to see Batman coming out of shadows is hilarious.
"it's the freaking bat!"
If you played Arkham city you'd hear this in your head.
The older splinter cells also had great npc dialogues when you interrogated them
@@JstormZx it is literally in every Batman game XD
Love it every time they shit their pants when they see Batman out of nowhere
@@JstormZx
Facts and, “I wish he would kome down here, I’d show him who’s boss”
*lands next to him*
“AHHHHH”
That and their conversations lol
I just played Arkham Knight for the first time and I was absolutely SHOCKED that it came out in 2015
Arkham Knight still holds up better than most Triple A titles today. For sure.
@@SuperBennnnnnnnn Indeed.
2015 was a good year for gaming and 16’
Never played any of the Batman games, but I LOVED Spider-Man and Miles Morales… Would you recommend them? If so, can I just play Arkham Knight or do you need to play them all in order?
@@wesleyp3579 Play all 4 Arkham games in the order of release (Asylum, City, Origins, then Knight). Go in without expectations based on other games, you wont be disappointed.
They say don’t compare to Arkham games but the real problem is they’re comparable to the avengers game
Facts
In many ways it is actually worse than the Avengers game
@@zorn2017 def not lol
@@zorn2017we dont go that far
@@legopussy2363 avengers had more playable characters
The thing that made me realize this was a lower effort game was when i cleared a criminal stronghold and saved one guy, waiting the entire time for him to find all 9 of his unconscious buddies and still he went back to his usual path and blurted out generic " I'LL FIND YOU" responses. Where in Arkham, he'd immediately realise that he's the last one and get all frantic and scared as you picked off his buddies. I always loved that.
Thats so cool
This game is the definition of "wait for a sale"
Hope they can fix the performance and do some tweaks to balance the game in a better way.
"wait for a sale"
me with any game
@@viainablee same 😆
I'm going to buy it at least at 20€
Didn't wait and don't feel a bit bad about it, had a blast
99% of new games are wait for sale
I get the feeling some 'genius' lead for this game said "hey, if we have four times the playable characters, we'd only need to make 1/4th the content to keep people happy" cuz this game really feels like 1/4th of an Arkham game.
30 fps on a ps5 😭😭😭
@@playajayd9660 thats crazyy bruhh
No one said that.
@@tera_2024oh shut up😂
But Arkham Knight has more playable characters
This game and Avengers broke my heart both had so much potential to be great
Just re-play both batman and spiderman games.
i only played that cause it's the closest thing to an iron man game after the old SAGA games
I pre ordered avengers because I mean it was avengers game was so broken I couldnt even boot it up it would crash every single time got refunded day 1 and dropped it in the garbage right after was nit gonna make the same mistake for this game seen the gameplay and everything and immediately knew it was gonna be a pass I never miss judge a game I did it once with avengers because I let my fandom blind me that will never happen again i cant be fooled twice that being said yes it is heart breaking to see 2 games based on characters we love fail so hard it really is 🤦
Oh and honestly I dont think we are getting a truly good next gen super hero game till suicide squad or Spiderman 2 comes out until then the closest thing to good games releasing right now is god of war Ragnarok and Callisto protocol theres some jrpgs coming out as well but there not as popular god of war and Callisto protocol are gonna be the heavy hitters to close out the year thats clear as day 🤷
@@Assassin-ys5vw game sucked but playing with iron man and thor wasn't so bad , definitely doesn't justify buying it , i pirated it just cause the last iron man game was from saga and i just wanted a new iron man game
This just made me want to play the batman games again.
Lol i was just thinking.....man i really want to play arkham city again.
My personal take on the matter simply goes down to the passion of the developer. Rocksteady's Arkham Trilogy is a masterpiece, through and through. Yes, the last game had some hiccups, particularly to do with its PC launch and the overreliance on the batmobile, but it was still a fantastic bloody game, and one of the few games I actually went out of my way to platinum. Graphically, all the batman games always felt way ahead of their time when they came out. I remember playing Arkham Asylum for the first time on my Xbox 360 and thinking how amazing everything looked. Arkham Knight set that standard so much higher. If you go back to that game on a PS5 or Series X, it still holds up perfectly when it comes to in-game visuals. This goes without mentioning the overall story of these games which was incredible.
But like I said before, it all goes back to passion. Everyone at Rocksteady LOVED batman. You can see it and hear it in their interviews, marketing, trailers every single member of that team was passionate about the story they were creating, and determined to make it as good as physically possible. I just did not see the same from WB Montreal. I cannot disprove or disregard of the fact they put hard work into the game, as I am sure they did. But I'm just not sure if they approached this title with as much passion and ambition as Rocksteady had.
But WB made Origins, and it was great!
@@patrickarraes4422 Yes, Arkham Origins was made by WB Montreal. However, you must remember that they created that game with a fully constructed and mastercrafted blueprint made my Rocksteady. Everything inside that game was essentially already made by Rocksteady. From textures to combat to props to even some voice actors. WB already had all the foundations set for making that game, and when you really think about it, creating the foundations of any video game is basically the hardest part. The incredible freeflow combat which Rocksteady designed, a gameplay feature which is still talked about to this day, was already in place for WB to freely use in their game. All they really added themselves was the OST, costume design and story. Yes, they added a couple of their own features like the shock gloves and the multiplayer (which no longer exists) but overall the game wasn't built from the ground up because all the hard work was already done for them. This is exactly how Activision allows for different developers to make COD games. They already have the engine and all physics ready to be used from the previous COD titles. Yes, there is still a lot of work to be done until the game is ready to play. But the most important part is essentially finished. Although over the years a lot these features can be reworked and remastered, the original blueprint for the game will always be there to layout the foundations of the game itself. The same thing applies to Origins. WB took something Rocksteady had already done, and gave it their own spin. The main and only true reason why Origins exists in the first place is because during that year, Rocksteady told WB Games they need more time to work on Arkham Knight for next-gen, and because WB didn't want to lose out on potential money, they got WB Montreal to make Origins. And if you take a look at overall ranking of the game, it is sadly considered the weakest Arkham game in the series, simply because it was not made by the same people, and not with the same purpose. It didn't come from passion, it just came from greed essentially. However, I must add, that I love Arkham Origins, I do think it's underrated, and I love replaying it every few years, but at the end of the day, it didn't live up to the other Arkham games.
@@kam2840 I've been saying it for a while that what makes games good and so rich is passion
Probably the most important thing when making a video game
You gotta love what you're making
When you have that you put your heart and soul into it and the end result is beautiful and amazing.
@@whysoserious4274 Absolutely agree. Well said.
@@kam2840 thanks for the comprehensive analysis ! :)
I really liked the counter system in the arkham series....it was broken enough to make you feel godly and satisfying enough to find skilled martial artist who you needed to be careful how you counter or you would fail...and when you found such enemies it was exhilarating because you were used to easy counter from goons so a challenge from a martial artist was a good change of pace
Man I miss the counter system so bad, I felt like how u gonna be part of the bat family and you don't counter?
The martial artists from Arkham origins switched it up by making you have to counter twice when they attack or they could counter you and you have to counter that counter it shows that WB had potential to make good mechanics for this game
I don’t think it was really broken. If you were already in the middle of an animation it was pretty hard to counter sometimes.
@@alpacawithouthat987 am not judging your skills...but I've never been stuck in animation while trying to counter...for example if you were attacking someone and got attacked...counter would always be prioritised and cancel that animation....infact for every fight there is a challenge score for not getting hit...maybe unless you weren't good at timing counters
@@jd.cd2493 yeah...that was so fun finding characters that could counter your counter
I’ve beaten Arkham knight like 8 times to 100%. 4 first run play throughs and 4 new game+’s, including the dlc missions. That’s how much I love that game.
I absolutley love how they bring in the batman outfits from the movies dark knight is my favorite
How the hell you do the riddler missions 8 times
@@akaricodane401 Everytime I see that assholes face it encourages me to beat them again and again for the sole purpose of punching his face. I really thought I was gonna have the chance to do it in City but this one was well worth it. Cheating in a game and calling himself better than Batman? That I can’t let that slide.
@@akaricodane401 it's really easy, the trophies are not that hard to find after like 2 playthroughs
@@akaricodane401 plus you don't have to find the trophies in new game plus. You just have to progress the Riddler story
Is this history's first reference to "turpentine smell" in a video game review? Incredible. Thank you, Falcon.
Hey i will need partners for my Gotham livestream if u willing to help!
What does it reference to?
Arkham Knight was soooo good. The Riddler's riddles were sometimes pretty annoying but so rewarding when I completed all of them. The random hilarious conversations had by the bad guys was a great addition as well. I was hoping to get more of the same with better graphics with Gotham Knights but alas, it was not meant to be.
Actual question. did you see batman in a videogame and just assume 'must be an arkham game' despite the developers constantly telling people the contrary? why would you expect the same type of game when its not the same type of game?
@@funkychunk1343 doesn't sound like a actual question, rather a beginning of a fabricated argument.
@@funkychunk1343 bc the Arkham games are years older and still better you’re obviously gonna compare it to its predecessors.
@@jarvaewray453 but they aren't it's predecessors. The only comparison you can make is that they're both set in the DC universe. They're 2 completely different styles of games. You wouldn't compare a batman puzzle game to Arkham knight
@@TheCheekiestOfBreeks well it is a question. If you turn it into an argument, it just shows how arrogant you are. The game is great, even the steam reviews agreesl