Hi, would it be possible to make a video demonstrating the Mongolian pronunciation of "ү" and "у"? Even though I'm a phonologist, they're still very hard to distinguish! I know Mongolian's "y" is unstressed and "ү" is stressed, but the Mongolian unstressed "y" sounds almost identical to English's stressed /u/ (it sounds nothing like English's unstressed /ʊ/), and Mongolian's "ү" also sounds like English's stressed /u/ (but higher). It'd be so helpful to hear a comparison list. You have an awesome channel, thank you!
I am Hungarian, and the Mongol vowels were interesting for me. In the Hungarian the stress is always on the first syllable, and it doesn't depends on the length of the vowels. In the Hungarian literary we have short vowels: A, E, I, O, Ö, U, Ü, and long vowels: Á, É, Í, Ó, Ő, Ú, Ű. In the Hungarian, the A-Á and the E-É pairs differs not only in their length, in contrast to the others. I learnt some Turkish, but the Turkish has not long vowels...
@@PimsleurTurkishLessons The Hungarian language has not "dotless i". The "short-i" of the Hungarian is always front vowel, but some of the "long-i" vowels are "back-vowels, but they are not marked in the writing system. Probably due to the lack of the "dotless-i" the Hungarian has "two-way, three-way and four way suffixes, in contrast to the Turkish which has two-way and four-way suffixes according to the vowel harmony. The Turkish vowel system is more regulated than the Hungarian.
@@gaborbakonyi6552 yes i listened about Hungarian vowel harmony and also Finnish vowel harmony and also Mongolian vowel harmony. Turkish vowel harmony is the most regulated one. Turkish has the most regulated grammar also acording to linguists . Linguists' opinions on Turkish Grammar Prof. David Cuthell : “I know many foreign languages. Among these languages, Turkish is such a different language that it is as if a hundred high mathematics professors came together to create Turkish. A dozen words are produced from one root. Turkish is such a language that it is a language of emotion, thought, logic and philosophy in itself.” Max Müller :Even reading a Turkish grammar is a real pleasure, even if he hasn’t had the slightest desire to speak and write Turkish. Those who hear the skillful style in the mods, the compliance with the rules that dominate all the shots, the transparency seen throughout the productions, the marvelous power of the human intelligence that shines in the language will not fail to be amazed. This is such a grammar that we can watch the inner formations of thought in it, just as we can watch the formation of honeycombs in a crystal… The grammatical rules of the Turkish language are so orderly and flawless that a committee of linguists, an academy, approves this language. It is possible to think that it is a language made with consciousness. Prof. Dr. Johan Vandewalle;,now I have learned about 50 languages . After learning languages with very different systems, the language that I still admire the most, the language that I find most logical and mathematical is Turkish.” johan Vandewalle “…I think that a native Turkish speaker thinks in short sentences, and when speaking, he builds complex structures by connecting these short sentences in various ways. This "tendency to connect sentences" can be weak in some speakers, and strong in others, almost to the extent of a disease. The linguistic structures that emerged in this last situation reflect the superior possibilities of the human mind in the best way. Although I have studied many languages belonging to different language groups, I can say that I have never come across a structure that fascinates me as much as complex sentence structures in Turkish. If you let me be a little sentimental, I sometimes say to myself, “I wish Chomsky had learned Turkish when he was younger too…”. I'm sure then modern linguistics would have been shaped according to Turkish, not English” Receiving the Babylonian World Award, Belgium's Ghent University Center for Eastern Languages and Cultures, Dr. Johann Van De Walle explains why he is interested in Turkish today: “Turkish can be learned in a very short time. The rules in chess are logical, simple and few in number. Even a seven-year-old can learn to play chess. Despite this convenience, the person playing chess does not get bored throughout his life. The game possibilities are endless. It is a very magical feature that the same situation exists in the Turkish grammar system. Turkish grammar is a language that has a regular and unexceptional character almost as much as mathematics. Paul Roux: "Turkish is a mathematical language full of thought and intellect." Moliere: "Turkish is language to be admired; you can express a great deal by a few words." French Turcologist Jean Deny : "The Turkish language suggests that it was formed as a result of the consultation and discussion of an elite committee of scholars. Turkish verbs have such a peculiarity that they cannot be found in any of the Arian languages. This feature is the power to form new words with affixes”. Jean Deny Herbert W. Duda:“Turkish, which expresses all thoughts and feelings in the most perfect way, has such a rich vocabulary that everyone admires this language and accepts it as the most perfect scientific language.'”. Herbert Jansky: “Turkish language is an extremely rich and easy-to-understand, easy-to-learn scientific language in terms of vocabulary, phonetics, orthography, syntax and vocabulary.” page 257 in book (The Science of Language by Max Müller in 1861) It is a real pleasure to read a Turkish grammar, even though one may have no wish to acquire it practically. The ingenious manner in which the numerous grammatical forms are brought out, the regularity which pervades the system of declension and conjugation, the transparency and intelligibility of the whole structure, must strike all who have a sense of that wonderful power of the human mind which has displayed itself in language. Given so small a number of graphic and demonstrative roots as would hardly suffice to express the commonest wants of human beings, to produce an instrument that shall render the faintest shades of feeling and thought;-given a vague infinitive or a stern imperative, to derive from it such moods as an optative or subjunctive, and tenses as an aorist or paulo-post future;-given incoherent utterances, to arrange them into a system where all is uniform and regular, all combined and harmonious;-such is the work of the human mind which we see realized in “language.” But in most languages nothing of this early process remains visible. They stand before us like solid rocks, and the microscope of the philologist alone can reveal the remains of organic life with which they are built up. In the grammar of the Turkic languages, on the contrary, we have before us a language of perfectly transparent structure, and a grammar the inner workings of which we can study, as if watching the building of cells in a crystal bee-hive. An eminent orientalist remarked “we might imagine Turkish to be the result of the deliberations of some eminent society of learned men;” but no such society could have devised what the mind of man produced, left to itself in the steppes , and guided only by its innate laws, or by an instinctive power as wonderful as any within the realm of nature. page 260 there is one feature so peculiar to the Turkish verb, that no analogy can be found in any of the Aryan languages-the power of producing new verbal bases by the mere addition of certain letters, which give to every verb a negative, or causative, or reflexive, or reciprocal meaning
@@PimsleurTurkishLessons I have learnt two years Turkish, my knowledge is approximately middle level. Yes, the Turkish is beautiful and logical language, similar to the Hungarian, but here we are talking about the Mongolian, which is unknown to me. It seems an interesting language too.
Just found this school. Thank you very much for teaching. New student who speaks Lakota, Athabaskan, Navajo a little bit of Yupik and English. Want to learn before visiting.
@Temüjin Khan Qayixanbekov Native Americans are all over in groups on reservations and some in the cities. There are many tribes. The basic linguistic groups have many tribes/family groups. Canadian Native/indigenous people are related. We are spread from Florida to Alaska. There are the 7 nations which are the Iroquois who are mainly in the north east. (Includes Mohawks etc) There are what is called the Sioux who are now more north central. Central or the plains have Crow, Cheyenne, Kaw, Tonkawa, Pawnee, Shawnee, Apache, Comanche, Choctaw, Cherokee, (the Cherokee were originally from the south east/east coast until forced to live on a reservation in Oklahoma). To make it much shorter you have an idea now about the tribes/groups. (Utes, Paiutes, Apaches, Yavapi, Shoshoni etc...) The intermixing of of tribal groups and later in history mixing with the Europeans and others who came to America caused some eye shape changes but by looking at a person (mixed or not) you can know who is from where not only by physical features but also traditional clothing.
@Temüjin Khan Qayixanbekov I am learning these connections. I do know by traditional dress there is relation particularly this late in history by the dress of Yupiks and Athabaskans of Alaska. Also the Tlingit peoples of coastal Alaska. Can observe traditional dress that is obviously related to Mongolian traditional dress. I do at this time become confused between Tuvan and other groups of Mongolia. At this point in my education it would be hard for me to be definite about clothing relations but I think the Tuvan traditional clothing and the Alaskan people are very similar. The reindeer herding people and the Yupik, Inuit people are very similar. Thank you for helping me learn!
Hello! Your videos are fantastic and they help me so much! Can you make a video about "л" and "г" pronunciation? I just can grasp how to produse sounds like these.
Thank you, you really helped me with this and other sur short vowel tu resolv long time problems I wasn't able to understand in Mongolian language. I'm from Paris and sometime meet Mongolian friends, Next time they will found I make great progress :). Sadly the sound of the live recording is a little too low on this video, but we can still understand this is good (and better on other videos).
@@mongollanguage Thank you for this a very helpful video. However, I have a question about words with two long vowels and diphthongs at the same time. I don't understand what to do with words like this: амраарай and уугаарай. Which of the syllables in these words is stressed and do any of the long vowels turn into a short one? Can diphthongs also reduced like long vowels in second position in word? Greetings. Баярлалаа!
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This is really helpful. I've watched lots of videos about Mongolian, but there were several details I've never heard explained before
Hi, would it be possible to make a video demonstrating the Mongolian pronunciation of "ү" and "у"? Even though I'm a phonologist, they're still very hard to distinguish! I know Mongolian's "y" is unstressed and "ү" is stressed, but the Mongolian unstressed "y" sounds almost identical to English's stressed /u/ (it sounds nothing like English's unstressed /ʊ/), and Mongolian's "ү" also sounds like English's stressed /u/ (but higher). It'd be so helpful to hear a comparison list. You have an awesome channel, thank you!
Баярлалаа. Маш сайн video.
You are doing a great job, Teacher. Thank you for explaining the vowels
I am Hungarian, and the Mongol vowels were interesting for me. In the Hungarian the stress is always on the first syllable, and it doesn't depends on the length of the vowels. In the Hungarian literary we have short vowels: A, E, I, O, Ö, U, Ü, and long vowels: Á, É, Í, Ó, Ő, Ú, Ű. In the Hungarian, the A-Á and the E-É pairs differs not only in their length, in contrast to the others. I learnt some Turkish, but the Turkish has not long vowels...
@@PimsleurTurkishLessons
The Hungarian language has not "dotless i". The "short-i" of the Hungarian is always front vowel, but some of the "long-i" vowels are "back-vowels, but they are not marked in the writing system. Probably due to the lack of the "dotless-i" the Hungarian has "two-way, three-way and four way suffixes, in contrast to the Turkish which has two-way and four-way suffixes according to the vowel harmony. The Turkish vowel system is more regulated than the Hungarian.
@@gaborbakonyi6552 yes i listened about Hungarian vowel harmony and also Finnish vowel harmony and also Mongolian vowel harmony. Turkish vowel harmony is the most regulated one. Turkish has the most regulated grammar also acording to linguists .
Linguists' opinions on Turkish Grammar
Prof. David Cuthell : “I know many foreign languages. Among these languages, Turkish is such a different language that it is as if a hundred high mathematics professors came together to create Turkish. A dozen words are produced from one root. Turkish is such a language that it is a language of emotion, thought, logic and philosophy in itself.”
Max Müller :Even reading a Turkish grammar is a real pleasure, even if he hasn’t had the slightest desire to speak and write Turkish. Those who hear the skillful style in the mods, the compliance with the rules that dominate all the shots, the transparency seen throughout the productions, the marvelous power of the human intelligence that shines in the language will not fail to be amazed. This is such a grammar that we can watch the inner formations of thought in it, just as we can watch the formation of honeycombs in a crystal… The grammatical rules of the Turkish language are so orderly and flawless that a committee of linguists, an academy, approves this language. It is possible to think that it is a language made with consciousness.
Prof. Dr. Johan Vandewalle;,now I have learned about 50 languages . After learning languages with very different systems, the language that I still admire the most, the language that I find most logical and mathematical is Turkish.”
johan Vandewalle “…I think that a native Turkish speaker thinks in short sentences, and when speaking, he builds complex structures by connecting these short sentences in various ways. This "tendency to connect sentences" can be weak in some speakers, and strong in others, almost to the extent of a disease. The linguistic structures that emerged in this last situation reflect the superior possibilities of the human mind in the best way. Although I have studied many languages belonging to different language groups, I can say that I have never come across a structure that fascinates me as much as complex sentence structures in Turkish. If you let me be a little sentimental, I sometimes say to myself, “I wish Chomsky had learned Turkish when he was younger too…”. I'm sure then modern linguistics would have been shaped according to Turkish, not English”
Receiving the Babylonian World Award, Belgium's Ghent University Center for Eastern Languages and Cultures, Dr. Johann Van De Walle explains why he is interested in Turkish today: “Turkish can be learned in a very short time. The rules in chess are logical, simple and few in number. Even a seven-year-old can learn to play chess. Despite this convenience, the person playing chess does not get bored throughout his life. The game possibilities are endless. It is a very magical feature that the same situation exists in the Turkish grammar system. Turkish grammar is a language that has a regular and unexceptional character almost as much as mathematics.
Paul Roux: "Turkish is a mathematical language full of thought and intellect."
Moliere: "Turkish is language to be admired; you can express a great deal by a few words."
French Turcologist Jean Deny : "The Turkish language suggests that it was formed as a result of the consultation and discussion of an elite committee of scholars. Turkish verbs have such a peculiarity that they cannot be found in any of the Arian languages. This feature is the power to form new words with affixes”. Jean Deny
Herbert W. Duda:“Turkish, which expresses all thoughts and feelings in the most perfect way, has such a rich vocabulary that everyone admires this language and accepts it as the most perfect scientific language.'”.
Herbert Jansky: “Turkish language is an extremely rich and easy-to-understand, easy-to-learn scientific language in terms of vocabulary, phonetics, orthography, syntax and vocabulary.”
page 257 in book (The Science of Language by Max Müller in 1861)
It is a real pleasure to read a Turkish grammar, even though one may have no wish to acquire it practically. The ingenious manner in which the numerous grammatical forms are brought out, the regularity which pervades the system of declension and conjugation, the transparency and intelligibility of the whole structure, must strike all who have a sense of that wonderful power of the human mind which has displayed itself in language. Given so small a number of graphic and demonstrative roots as would hardly suffice to express the commonest wants of human beings, to produce an instrument that shall render the faintest shades of feeling and thought;-given a vague infinitive or a stern imperative, to derive from it such moods as an optative or subjunctive, and tenses as an aorist or paulo-post future;-given incoherent utterances, to arrange them into a system where all is uniform and regular, all combined and harmonious;-such is the work of the human mind which we see realized in “language.”
But in most languages nothing of this early process remains visible. They stand before us like solid rocks, and the microscope of the philologist alone can reveal the remains of organic life with which they are built up. In the grammar of the Turkic languages, on the contrary, we have before us a language of perfectly transparent structure, and a grammar the inner workings of which we can study, as if watching the building of cells in a crystal bee-hive. An eminent orientalist remarked “we might imagine Turkish to be the result of the deliberations of some eminent society of learned men;” but no such society could have devised what the mind of man produced, left to itself in the steppes , and guided only by its innate laws, or by an instinctive power as wonderful as any within the realm of nature.
page 260
there is one feature so peculiar to the Turkish verb, that no analogy can be found in any of the Aryan languages-the power of producing new verbal bases by the mere addition of certain letters, which give to every verb a negative, or causative, or reflexive, or reciprocal meaning
@@PimsleurTurkishLessons I have learnt two years Turkish, my knowledge is approximately middle level. Yes, the Turkish is beautiful and logical language, similar to the Hungarian, but here we are talking about the Mongolian, which is unknown to me. It seems an interesting language too.
2:50 " awesome" 😅
What an intriguing language ❤
This is a great explanation and I find it very intuitive, simple and logical for prosodic and fast talking reasons.
We are learning the long vowels in traditional script these days. This video is very helpful 👍 thank you.
I love it. Keep it up. Greetings from Spain. Thanks
Just found this school. Thank you very much for teaching. New student who speaks Lakota, Athabaskan, Navajo a little bit of Yupik and English. Want to learn before visiting.
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@Temüjin Khan Qayixanbekov Recently learned this fact. It is good to know!
@Temüjin Khan Qayixanbekov Some of us do and some of us have more "almond shaped eyes". Depends on the group and what the mixture of genetics are...
@Temüjin Khan Qayixanbekov Native Americans are all over in groups on reservations and some in the cities. There are many tribes. The basic linguistic groups have many tribes/family groups. Canadian Native/indigenous people are related.
We are spread from Florida to Alaska.
There are the 7 nations which are the Iroquois who are mainly in the north east. (Includes Mohawks etc) There are what is called the Sioux who are now more north central. Central or the plains have Crow, Cheyenne, Kaw, Tonkawa, Pawnee, Shawnee, Apache, Comanche, Choctaw, Cherokee, (the Cherokee were originally from the south east/east coast until forced to live on a reservation in Oklahoma). To make it much shorter you have an idea now about the tribes/groups. (Utes, Paiutes, Apaches, Yavapi, Shoshoni etc...)
The intermixing of of tribal groups and later in history mixing with the Europeans and others who came to America caused some eye shape changes but by looking at a person (mixed or not) you can know who is from where not only by physical features but also traditional clothing.
@Temüjin Khan Qayixanbekov I am learning these connections. I do know by traditional dress there is relation particularly this late in history by the dress of Yupiks and Athabaskans of Alaska. Also the Tlingit peoples of coastal Alaska. Can observe traditional dress that is obviously related to Mongolian traditional dress. I do at this time become confused between Tuvan and other groups of Mongolia.
At this point in my education it would be hard for me to be definite about clothing relations but I think the Tuvan traditional clothing and the Alaskan people are very similar. The reindeer herding people and the Yupik, Inuit people are very similar.
Thank you for helping me learn!
Hello! Your videos are fantastic and they help me so much! Can you make a video about "л" and "г" pronunciation? I just can grasp how to produse sounds like these.
It has been more than a year but if it still interests you, г is like g and л is like an l followed by a soft j (lj)
I'm Brazilian. Thank you for teach! 🙋🏾♂️
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Thank you, you really helped me with this and other sur short vowel tu resolv long time problems I wasn't able to understand in Mongolian language. I'm from Paris and sometime meet Mongolian friends, Next time they will found I make great progress :). Sadly the sound of the live recording is a little too low on this video, but we can still understand this is good (and better on other videos).
Could you, please, make a video "how to pronounce the Mongolian L sound"?
Bata Malaan We will try to plan to make a video about it in the future.
In portuguese we have some words. Voo: flight. Enjoo: seasick
I love Mongólia.
In a combination of all the above plus a diphthong at the end, where does the stress go?
can you explain the difference between the two y's? They sound the same to me
Do these rules change at all for words containing diphthongs instead of long vowels?
Yes, the same rule applies for diphthongs.
@@mongollanguage Thank you for this a very helpful video. However, I have a question about words with two long vowels and diphthongs at the same time. I don't understand what to do with words like this: амраарай and уугаарай. Which of the syllables in these words is stressed and do any of the long vowels turn into a short one? Can diphthongs also reduced like long vowels in second position in word? Greetings. Баярлалаа!
яагаад for example: the 1st syllable is long and the 2nd is short
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