Both sounded good, but the Marshall sounded great! The kit would probably really shine with a TS or other boost in front. Thanks for constantly surprising us with new stuff Johan. Have a great weekend!
I played the video multiple times without looking at the screen. Like a blind test. I was barely able to tell when the difference between amps. Thanks for sharing Johan.
Another KILLER jam Johan!!! yes, I will, AGAIN, be learning your stuff....I have EZdrummer so I'll spend most of my time trying to get a decent drum track to jam with this... I have to say, I've been seriously thinking about building my first good quality kit for quite awhile now, and this kit is freakin' awesome. I did notice some of the differences you mentioned, but for a kit, its a keeper....I might just have to start spec'ing this one out. I would REALLY, ( really, really ) love to hear about the conversion mods....Great vid my friend, I havent had my LP in my hands for a couple weeks now ( I've been on a metal kick with my Ibanez and Schecter ) but you once again, have me back to my soul... I have to jam now.. so.... lets go!.
I feel like this video was made for me! I have a Tube Depot kit amp that I always dreamed of sending you to compare in a video but I figured it would be expensive shipping and its wired for 120 volts anyway but now I have a pretty close comparison from the Plexi master himself
Well it could have been two Marshall's, I can see people commenting here that the Marshall is better. Blind test would be interesting, get two self builds and say one is a Marshall, bet the outcome would be the same. I have played many Marshall amps, some are good some not so good, bit like guitars :) Anyway great video as always Johan.
Dave Barlow in my opinion marshall have an qunique vibe and it Sound more full. I did the blind test while listening to it and i noticed what is marshall nad what is reissue :)
Hi Dominik, Sorry that was not my point, my point is that you can get two identical Marshall amps (if hand built) and they can sound drastically different. Also the way you build makes an amp sound drastically different. Tubes, components, bias settings, turret board or pc board even length of wire and amount of solder and type of solder used etc etc. . The problem with kit amps is that sometimes you just cant get the correct components any more or in some cases you can but are very costly and you are stuck with what the kit seller has to offer. But both sound good to me, however the REAL test is to gig it live with a band. If you make a Marshall amp with the same components it will sound like a Marshall amp, I may be bursting your bubble here as Marshall amps were originally hand wired in the uk, if you take the same components and build under the same conditions the end result would be the same. Attaching a logo that says Marshall will not change the sound.
I recently build this TAD kit and from what I can see on the pictures, there were done a lot of changes to the original kit. Also the layout of the wires is not really well done... From what I can say about the kit that I build, it sounds awesome ;) I´ll put a video together in the next weeks hopefully. Anyhow, as always, great sounds and cool playing!!
The Marshall does more of many things that I like, but somehow in this comparison I prefer the kit amp. Somehow, the kit amp just seems more articulate, even if it's a bit less well blended.
Is it possible the values were different in the kit vs the real deal because the kit follows the vintage specs with values reflecting the power mains voltages of the time period and not updated to match modern day power mains voltages?
The TAD/Mojotone JTM45 output Transformers are impedance matched to KT66’s @6Kish. Using a 1987 output transformer that kit will roar with EL34’s!! I still haven’t heard a demo from Johan that sounds bad!!
It sounds indeed like apples and oranges. BUT it does show the sounds of different marshall type amps. And that there are many, many shades of British sounds out there for everyone.
Johan nice comparison to me its simple no matter what amp if properly built it will sound good its all in the components that you use again thank you, sir
Spring forward 3 year. This is a smoking arrangement on the guitar. Last year you released one about the same time. That Eat a Peach composition. Marshall Johan needs to go ahead and put together an LP.
I think both sounded really really good. Johan, would you consider doing a comparison video between the Marshall Lead 12 and the Hiwatt Maxwatt g15? I think that would be interesting. Great video as always!
They both sound good and very close. But, as usual, the Marshall just has that extra rich harmonic growl, the 'grail tone' that players seek. Johan's AC/DC stylings exemplify this difference. Those that understand what I'm saying (and hearing) will be able to tell the difference as quickly and easily as I did. Not knocking the TAD kit build, just giving an honest assessment!
I prefer the kit tone on this demo, it had more crunch cutting clarity and sounded more like my Smallbox Plexi channel tone. The Marshal sounded a lot more compressed and fuzzy, smooth but just a bit fizzy.
It’s funny because I have owned some pretty good amps that were designed to sound like a Marshall (Bogner, Friedman, etc). The bottom line is a good Marshall is just fantastic. Granted, not all Marshall’s are the same. Some have the mojo, some are just ok. The boutique and kit amps are fine, just remember the real deal is the sound they try to capture.
Hmmim thinking of building a kit amp with my girlfriend. I'm visually impaired so she helps with alot. How complete/not complete was this particular kit? I'm mostly looking at kph and monotone kits
Marshall had more sparkle and grit. The TAD sounded a bit cleaner and less compressed. More low end thump. I bet they would sound amazing together into an a/b/y box.
Yes, I'd love to hear that comparison. The Bugera 1960 infinium is a perfectly excellent amplifier, and is a really great pedal platform. The infinium version has the much desired gain mod and master volume mod that the original 1960 didn't have which makes it an even better amp. I'm not even saying that because it's the least expensive 100W tube head I've ever owned, but because I like it. That said, it's nothing near the sound of a 1959SLP RI or original. They're just different tonally. I guess with the right mods the 1960 would get close, but that's true of a fender bassman too. Mod it enough and it becomes a 1959 plexy. I run mine with just 2 tubes and biased warm...cranked up it sounds like a marshall a bit, but still not a plexy.
I connected my 1960 Infinium into a full stack of Celestion G12M25 (75Hz) 16 ohm Greenbacks and it sounds like most Classic Rock to me. Add a boost and with the cascade channel sounded like Randy Rhodes. That was why I was interested in the comparison.
Its an excellent amp for sure. Surely some qc issues on early production, as well as those plastic clip connectors for the transformers (absolute madness design). I have modded mine to run in 50w and with an attenuator i can play at bedroom volumes with a greenback. Slam a dod-250 in front and its instant Yngwie/EVH tones. The output transformer sounds more something like a 5150 or SLO than a 1959 though.
Cool :) Is there still the KT66-Output Transformer in the TAD Amp? Since i have made the experience, that amps with the "wrong" tubes, even if the BIAS is correct, sound thin and a bit weak, some people like that, but i prefer the meatier tone.
I build these kits for people all the time....My first one was a 100 watter. The beautiful thing about these is, they are MOD heaven. You can change anything that pleases your ear. They both sound close, but what difference will it make after the Drummer kicks in....? Thanx for the Demo's
More compression in the kit than the Marshall. Personally, I've owned Marshalls and kit amps, a couple that were the same model and in almost every case I prefer the kit. Currently except for a 20W Silver Jubilee, all of mine are kits, and currently they're all Ceriatones. I have an early JCM800 50W, single channel, 50W Silver Jubilee and 50W Super Lead "King Kong." I mainly play through the KK and JCM800 as the "main amp" and the Jubilee I use in conjunction with them (ala Joe Bonamassa multi-amp setup). The Jubilee is a much warmer/darker than the JCM, and even more so with the KK. It can be a bit of a project to have it setup as a main amp; being darker makes it sit in the mix very well, sometimes too well. Early on I had to always have the bright switch on to let it be heard over the other instruments, then I used a 10-Band EQ in the loop. The thing is, that if I had the Marshall Jubilee open and the clone Jubilee open, covered any distinguished markings and showed it to a player who's never looked inside one and told them that one is an original Marshall and the other is a clone, and that the Marshall costs twice as much s the clone and asked them which one is which, most would point to the clone. The Marshall is PCB top mounted circuitry, while the clone is turret board mounted, hand wired point to point with a beefier output transformer. We've been conditioned to consider hand wired point to point being superior to PCB, because... Well.. It usually is. Amp manufacturers many times make both a production model of some of their most famous models as well as Hand wired versions, and the HW are always at least twice as much, and many times several times more, just compare the PCB vs HW/PTP Vox AC15/30, Fender Champ, etc. Its DEFINITELY easier to service and modify the PTP than it is the PCB (which anyone who's ever had to jump into one of Fenders MIM Hot Rod and Deluxe amps, with their vertical board with all the control pots wired straight into the board vs connected with hookup wire can attest to that). The access to kits, either that you build yourself or buy fully assembled is a great way to be able to play classic, high price vintage amps or hard to get models while NOT having to have a sponsorship to actually get them. A Ceriatone Dumble clone is much more attainable than an actual one, and if there is any difference you and people listening to you would never know. Many of their Marshall clone (at least the 50W models) cost under $1100, fully assembled with cabinet, output transformer and fully tubed, and even less as a it, while the Marshall is +$2000. Its a no brainer
No comparison. The Marshall had the extra crunch. The kit was a great sounding amp too, and with an OD or boost pedal in front of it would really get it.
I think the kit amp is fantastic if you like less compression and transparency of actual notes. I prefer to catch the little nuances and ghost notes. The Marshall has a very compressed and big loud sounds in general. Great for the stadium rock sounds. Tonally they are similar, but slightly different from each other in that one regard, imo. I like the kit better, and it was probably half the price.
imo. i think the kit is smoother in character, perhaps the larger capacitors add a drag on the circuit that otherwise allows all the brightness in the PCB version. PCB also has more gain than the main of the kit, but doesn't sound near as AC/DC / WHO etc.
A 1987x is quite a gainy 50 watter. They get very crunchy. I had a JCM 800 non master volume 1987 that hardly got crunchy at all, no matter what we tried with the curcuit. Point being that there is more variance in actual 1987 amps than between this 1987x and the modded JTM45. The JTM45 transformer in this would affect things too. I think that may be where the kitset amp is getting its more open sound from. A proper JMP50 OT would make it a closer comparison.
I have been watching video after vid on kit amp, and how to build them. I'm wondering, how hard would it be to turn something like this into an amp, with multi gain stages for high gain output to have a shred monster!!!????????
If you can soldier, have patience, and the work area for it. Do it? Rhett Shull has a video when he went to mojotone. I’ve been interested on and off for 5 years. Who knows? one of us might turn into a amp guy that people will drive hours to find.
been bouncing around the idea of building one of these for awhile never had doubt about the sound, always wondered if the time invested in one of these was worth the trade off in play time. Was this a build you did?
Marshall is a little thicker in the 400Hz frequencies and slightly more harmonic. Both great - the kit may actually be better voiced for rock with vocal recordings. IMHO, the difference may be (in order of affect) that the Marshall transformers have more iron, each has an entirely different tube compliment and then component tolerance differences.
I like the Marshall, but I like the chewiness of the kit, but the Marshfield sounds right with it's Brite Haze that MARSHALLs have so I would just run both at the same time 😉
Guitar ocd - The layout (PTP v circuit board) would make virtually no difference, compared to the differences in components/actual circuit design ... ... ... I wouldn't draw any conclusions about PTP v Circuit Board, from this comparison (nor most others) ...
Yeah I have to rely on other people's opinion. It seems johan has enough amps around to make an informed conclusion. I would never have that opportunity. Luck of the draw for me. But what you said is what I'm hearing from most people nowadays. Seems the point-to-point wiring craze is dwindling a little bit. I see Friedman amps has a circuit board amp. I'm closely looking at. it has a good price tag thanks for your response.
Different HT filtering, different transformers, different tube count, and most likely different biasing and AF pass bands on each and every tube stage.... so of course they are going to sound different.... but which is better? That's an opinion that will be a different result from each person you ask...
Great comparison. I wanted to like the kit amp more but the Marshall won this one. Who knows. with some tweaking of components the kit amp could possibly equal or better the Marshall. Maybe even something like the EP booster in the chain could equal things up?
Thanks Gary! I’m glad to hear that! On the guitar I’m using a Unidyne IV 548 Close Mic and an AKG C414BXLii Room Mic. Mic preamps API 512C, Compressors API 525 and Sound interface TC Electronics Studio Konnekt 48. Cheers Johan
@@richardg5301 Yes, using the same tubes would have been a more "apples to apples" comparison.. There are so many variables that can affect tone. I see there are different color capacitors. People have said that point to point wiring sounds better than circuit boards.
Hi Johan! You know, that Kit is awesome! But Marshall is Marshall - what can I say more? Off course original is better! I sent you link in previous video! So, have a nice weekend! Thank you for that video! Zigfrid.
I reckon the Kit has a sound more like an original, the reissue does sound harsher and nothing like an original IMO and it’s been the same with the ones I’ve tried personally.
Am I the only one that smashes that "like" button as soon as he says "Hi"? You rock Johan!
Lol I do that every time as well, just a given:)
OK .... LEZGO!
i do because this guy has alotta integrity
🌈
The Marshall sounds like it's compressing more. The kit is more open sounding to me. I like both, but with a good booster that kit would slay.
Yeah the kit amp had punchier tone indeed
Both sounded good, but the Marshall sounded great! The kit would probably really shine with a TS or other boost in front. Thanks for constantly surprising us with new stuff Johan. Have a great weekend!
I played the video multiple times without looking at the screen. Like a blind test. I was barely able to tell when the difference between amps. Thanks for sharing Johan.
Excellent idea for a video. I appreciate the way you compare back to back without breaking tempo.
Love hearing the old Marshalls... Love the hat to Johan!
Wow, wanted to purchase a kit amp for myself, but had no idea if it's a quality reproduction. Thanks a million for this video, Johan, super awesome.
Thanks! :-)
Both amps sounds great! Amazing riff dear friend! Cheers!
Another KILLER jam Johan!!! yes, I will, AGAIN, be learning your stuff....I have EZdrummer so I'll spend most of my time trying to get a decent drum track to jam with this...
I have to say, I've been seriously thinking about building my first good quality kit for quite awhile now, and this kit is freakin' awesome. I did notice some of the differences you mentioned, but for a kit, its a keeper....I might just have to start spec'ing this one out. I would REALLY, ( really, really ) love to hear about the conversion mods....Great vid my friend, I havent had my LP in my hands for a couple weeks now ( I've been on a metal kick with my Ibanez and Schecter ) but you once again, have me back to my soul... I have to jam now.. so.... lets go!.
"Alright, let's go!" Then the music kicks in. I had to listen to that part again because it was so sublime!
As usual, great video! I like the sound of the kit amp better although they both sound fine.
Greetings from Vancouver, Johan... I love the channel and what you do with it!
Thanks man, I’m really glad to hear that! Greetings from Gothenburg Sweden!
Ah, Vancouver, DOA!! On another note - how about those Sedins last night?
Ron Skapski epic way to end their time in Vancouver!
Streets of Vancouver , you know it brother 🙋
Good demonstration, nice mix. I like both!Thanks Brother!
Thanks my friend!
I feel like this video was made for me! I have a Tube Depot kit amp that I always dreamed of sending you to compare in a video but I figured it would be expensive shipping and its wired for 120 volts anyway but now I have a pretty close comparison from the Plexi master himself
I actually like the kit amps less aggressive tone. With a boost to bump it when needed that would be amazing. Great video
Well it could have been two Marshall's, I can see people commenting here that the Marshall is better. Blind test would be interesting, get two self builds and say one is a Marshall, bet the outcome would be the same. I have played many Marshall amps, some are good some not so good, bit like guitars :) Anyway great video as always Johan.
Dave Barlow in my opinion marshall have an qunique vibe and it Sound more full. I did the blind test while listening to it and i noticed what is marshall nad what is reissue :)
Hi Dominik, Sorry that was not my point, my point is that you can get two identical Marshall amps (if hand built) and they can sound drastically different. Also the way you build makes an amp sound drastically different. Tubes, components, bias settings, turret board or pc board even length of wire and amount of solder and type of solder used etc etc. . The problem with kit amps is that sometimes you just cant get the correct components any more or in some cases you can but are very costly and you are stuck with what the kit seller has to offer. But both sound good to me, however the REAL test is to gig it live with a band. If you make a Marshall amp with the same components it will sound like a Marshall amp, I may be bursting your bubble here as Marshall amps were originally hand wired in the uk, if you take the same components and build under the same conditions the end result would be the same. Attaching a logo that says Marshall will not change the sound.
Love these demos Johan! Maybe some fender clones vs. originals!
I recently build this TAD kit and from what I can see on the pictures, there were done a lot of changes to the original kit. Also the layout of the wires is not really well done... From what I can say about the kit that I build, it sounds awesome ;) I´ll put a video together in the next weeks hopefully. Anyhow, as always, great sounds and cool playing!!
The Marshall does more of many things that I like, but somehow in this comparison I prefer the kit amp. Somehow, the kit amp just seems more articulate, even if it's a bit less well blended.
They sound very similar. I'm not sure I could pick a favorite. Both were great!
The best part of the video is the track...that was rockin'!
it did a great job , always good and intresting videos from Johan
Is it possible the values were different in the kit vs the real deal because the kit follows the vintage specs with values reflecting the power mains voltages of the time period and not updated to match modern day power mains voltages?
They both sound great. I wouldn’t have known the difference.
The TAD/Mojotone JTM45 output Transformers are impedance matched to KT66’s @6Kish. Using a 1987 output transformer that kit will roar with EL34’s!! I still haven’t heard a demo from Johan that sounds bad!!
I like your marshall stacks wallpaper. Haha awesome!
Both sound great! The 'real' Marshall sounded a bit fuller, some more low-mid hump.
Apart from that, very similar!
It sounds indeed like apples and oranges. BUT it does show the sounds of different marshall type amps. And that there are many, many shades of British sounds out there for everyone.
LOVE te Marshall tone...
The Marshall has the edge but they both sound great! \m/
Great piece!
Love the sound, love the video, but ADORE the song!! Haha Keep up the good vids Johan!!
I wouldn't be disappointed with either to be honest. In a blind test, I'm not sure if I could tell which was which. Great tones from both amps.
Johan nice comparison to me its simple no matter what amp if properly built it will sound good its all in the components that you use again thank you, sir
Huge difference to my ears. Marshall for the win!
Sounds rad I want one and what a beautiful town you live in🚢
Spring forward 3 year. This is a smoking arrangement on the guitar. Last year you released one about the same time. That Eat a Peach composition. Marshall Johan needs to go ahead and put together an LP.
I luv a FX loop that takes pedals well !
I think both sounded really really good. Johan, would you consider doing a comparison video between the Marshall Lead 12 and the Hiwatt Maxwatt g15? I think that would be interesting. Great video as always!
They both sound good and very close. But, as usual, the Marshall just has that extra rich harmonic growl, the 'grail tone' that players seek. Johan's AC/DC stylings exemplify this difference. Those that understand what I'm saying (and hearing) will be able to tell the difference as quickly and easily as I did. Not knocking the TAD kit build, just giving an honest assessment!
Great riff!
this sound will always be ahead
TAD delivers fantastic products, and they have a very good customer service too!
I prefer the kit tone on this demo, it had more crunch cutting clarity and sounded more like my Smallbox Plexi channel tone. The Marshal sounded a lot more compressed and fuzzy, smooth but just a bit fizzy.
It’s funny because I have owned some pretty good amps that were designed to sound like a Marshall (Bogner, Friedman, etc). The bottom line is a good Marshall is just fantastic. Granted, not all Marshall’s are the same. Some have the mojo, some are just ok. The boutique and kit amps are fine, just remember the real deal is the sound they try to capture.
Hmmim thinking of building a kit amp with my girlfriend. I'm visually impaired so she helps with alot. How complete/not complete was this particular kit? I'm mostly looking at kph and monotone kits
Hello Johan. Thanks for the great videos! Could you tell us something about the ear protection that you use? :)
Same test with out of stock kit, no mod, and a good wiring.
Marshall had more sparkle and grit. The TAD sounded a bit cleaner and less compressed. More low end thump. I bet they would sound amazing together into an a/b/y box.
awesome!
Have you compared a Bugera 1960 Infinium amp to a Marshall 1959?
Yes, I'd love to hear that comparison. The Bugera 1960 infinium is a perfectly excellent amplifier, and is a really great pedal platform. The infinium version has the much desired gain mod and master volume mod that the original 1960 didn't have which makes it an even better amp. I'm not even saying that because it's the least expensive 100W tube head I've ever owned, but because I like it. That said, it's nothing near the sound of a 1959SLP RI or original. They're just different tonally. I guess with the right mods the 1960 would get close, but that's true of a fender bassman too. Mod it enough and it becomes a 1959 plexy. I run mine with just 2 tubes and biased warm...cranked up it sounds like a marshall a bit, but still not a plexy.
I connected my 1960 Infinium into a full stack of Celestion G12M25 (75Hz) 16 ohm Greenbacks and it sounds like most Classic Rock to me. Add a boost and with the cascade channel sounded like Randy Rhodes. That was why I was interested in the comparison.
Its an excellent amp for sure. Surely some qc issues on early production, as well as those plastic clip connectors for the transformers (absolute madness design). I have modded mine to run in 50w and with an attenuator i can play at bedroom volumes with a greenback. Slam a dod-250 in front and its instant Yngwie/EVH tones. The output transformer sounds more something like a 5150 or SLO than a 1959 though.
They both sounded great to me.
Cool :)
Is there still the KT66-Output Transformer in the TAD Amp? Since i have made the experience, that amps with the "wrong" tubes, even if the BIAS is correct, sound thin and a bit weak, some people like that, but i prefer the meatier tone.
I build these kits for people all the time....My first one was a 100 watter. The beautiful thing about these is, they are MOD heaven. You can change anything that pleases your ear.
They both sound close, but what difference will it make after the Drummer kicks in....? Thanx for the Demo's
Very similar, which is surprising considering the mess of wiring inside the kit amp! Either way, more ear candy from Johan!
More compression in the kit than the Marshall. Personally, I've owned Marshalls and kit amps, a couple that were the same model and in almost every case I prefer the kit. Currently except for a 20W Silver Jubilee, all of mine are kits, and currently they're all Ceriatones. I have an early JCM800 50W, single channel, 50W Silver Jubilee and 50W Super Lead "King Kong." I mainly play through the KK and JCM800 as the "main amp" and the Jubilee I use in conjunction with them (ala Joe Bonamassa multi-amp setup). The Jubilee is a much warmer/darker than the JCM, and even more so with the KK. It can be a bit of a project to have it setup as a main amp; being darker makes it sit in the mix very well, sometimes too well. Early on I had to always have the bright switch on to let it be heard over the other instruments, then I used a 10-Band EQ in the loop.
The thing is, that if I had the Marshall Jubilee open and the clone Jubilee open, covered any distinguished markings and showed it to a player who's never looked inside one and told them that one is an original Marshall and the other is a clone, and that the Marshall costs twice as much s the clone and asked them which one is which, most would point to the clone.
The Marshall is PCB top mounted circuitry, while the clone is turret board mounted, hand wired point to point with a beefier output transformer. We've been conditioned to consider hand wired point to point being superior to PCB, because... Well.. It usually is. Amp manufacturers many times make both a production model of some of their most famous models as well as Hand wired versions, and the HW are always at least twice as much, and many times several times more, just compare the PCB vs HW/PTP Vox AC15/30, Fender Champ, etc.
Its DEFINITELY easier to service and modify the PTP than it is the PCB (which anyone who's ever had to jump into one of Fenders MIM Hot Rod and Deluxe amps, with their vertical board with all the control pots wired straight into the board vs connected with hookup wire can attest to that).
The access to kits, either that you build yourself or buy fully assembled is a great way to be able to play classic, high price vintage amps or hard to get models while NOT having to have a sponsorship to actually get them. A Ceriatone Dumble clone is much more attainable than an actual one, and if there is any difference you and people listening to you would never know. Many of their Marshall clone (at least the 50W models) cost under $1100, fully assembled with cabinet, output transformer and fully tubed, and even less as a it, while the Marshall is +$2000. Its a no brainer
The Marshall has a fizz to it. The kits sounded more natural and I’m sure sits in busy mix better.
I actually prefer the kit... Cheers from Brazil!
No comparison. The Marshall had the extra crunch. The kit was a great sounding amp too, and with an OD or boost pedal in front of it would really get it.
Both sound real good, but the Marshall is a bit more "open" and aggressive sounding. Great comparison!
Hej!
Have you tried a Ceriatone kit?
Just found your channel and it`s great!
A fountain of experience and wisdom.
Thanks!
I think the kit amp is fantastic if you like less compression and transparency of actual notes. I prefer to catch the little nuances and ghost notes.
The Marshall has a very compressed and big loud sounds in general. Great for the stadium rock sounds.
Tonally they are similar, but slightly different from each other in that one regard, imo. I like the kit better, and it was probably half the price.
Have you gotten your hands on the Marshall Origins amps yet?
pickledblues Yeah I'd love Johan to try them, too. They seem promising.
The tubes make a huge difference be interesting to swap them over
imo. i think the kit is smoother in character, perhaps the larger capacitors add a drag on the circuit that otherwise allows all the brightness in the PCB version. PCB also has more gain than the main of the kit, but doesn't sound near as AC/DC / WHO etc.
The Marshall is much more aggressive, but the kit had a great tone too. Tone is very similar, just the gain is different. And great playing as usual.
Thanks, glad to hear that! :-)
I mainly hear more gain (and therefore more fizziness) in the real Marshall than in the kit, but tonally they are very similar
Both great, marshall is louder britgher but I prefer the "definition" of the kit. Its just a matter of taste
Nice riff.
A 1987x is quite a gainy 50 watter. They get very crunchy. I had a JCM 800 non master volume 1987 that hardly got crunchy at all, no matter what we tried with the curcuit. Point being that there is more variance in actual 1987 amps than between this 1987x and the modded JTM45. The JTM45 transformer in this would affect things too. I think that may be where the kitset amp is getting its more open sound from. A proper JMP50 OT would make it a closer comparison.
I have been watching video after vid on kit amp, and how to build them. I'm wondering, how hard would it be to turn something like this into an amp, with multi gain stages for high gain output to have a shred monster!!!????????
If you can soldier, have patience, and the work area for it. Do it? Rhett Shull has a video when he went to mojotone. I’ve been interested on and off for 5 years. Who knows? one of us might turn into a amp guy that people will drive hours to find.
What type of transformers does the TAD kit use? I have a feeling if they were Marstran, Heyboer, Classic Tone, they'd blow away the other amp.
Looks like the kit chassis has an extra 12AX7...but both sound great in their own way. I would have a hard time choosing between them.
The Kit have shared cathodes on V1.
Huge difference !!
Yeah but I liked both!
Yeah I'm jealous because you played them both
been bouncing around the idea of building one of these for awhile never had doubt about the sound, always wondered if the time invested in one of these was worth the trade off in play time. Was this a build you did?
Heyy Johan I got a request...why not try vintage Marshall plexis thru big fender cabinets
The Marshall has just a bit more chewiness in the lower mids, so it gets my vote. Both are nice though.
I think the difference comes down to component tolerances
marshall sounds to have more resonance which is the only thing i'd consider "better" otherwise theyre just different sounding amps. both good!
Marshall is a little thicker in the 400Hz frequencies and slightly more harmonic. Both great - the kit may actually be better voiced for rock with vocal recordings. IMHO, the difference may be (in order of affect) that the Marshall transformers have more iron, each has an entirely different tube compliment and then component tolerance differences.
Put a dallas rangemaster type booster in front of the kit. Perfect
I like the Marshall, but I like the chewiness of the kit, but the Marshfield sounds right with it's Brite Haze that MARSHALLs have so I would just run both at the same time 😉
Marshall sounded like it had a little bit more balls.
Yeah it was a bit hotter, but also noisier
I always wondered about the circuit board versus point to point. Have a good weekend
Guitar ocd - The layout (PTP v circuit board) would make virtually no difference, compared to the differences in components/actual circuit design ... ... ... I wouldn't draw any conclusions about PTP v Circuit Board, from this comparison (nor most others) ...
Yeah I have to rely on other people's opinion. It seems johan has enough amps around to make an informed conclusion. I would never have that opportunity. Luck of the draw for me. But what you said is what I'm hearing from most people nowadays. Seems the point-to-point wiring craze is dwindling a little bit. I see Friedman amps has a circuit board amp. I'm closely looking at. it has a good price tag thanks for your response.
There are good and bad sounding amps, built both ways. Plus, we all like different things ... Trust your own ears ... :)
The Marshall seems to have a bit more definition and a little more bite. The kit is close!
Different HT filtering, different transformers, different tube count, and most likely different biasing and AF pass bands on each and every tube stage.... so of course they are going to sound different.... but which is better? That's an opinion that will be a different result from each person you ask...
Great comparison. I wanted to like the kit amp more but the Marshall won this one.
Who knows. with some tweaking of components the kit amp could possibly equal or better the Marshall. Maybe even something like the EP booster in the chain could equal things up?
Do you know the difference between the Tube Amp Doctor and the Tube Town Kit?
The kit seems dryer while the jcm800 seems more gainy and saturated
Nice Demo Johan :) Did you use the master volume on the back of the kit amp during the recording ?
Thanks, no it was fully open
Nice quality recording. Sounds as good as any album . What all do you use exactly John ?
Thanks Gary! I’m glad to hear that! On the guitar I’m using a Unidyne IV 548 Close Mic and an AKG C414BXLii Room Mic. Mic preamps API 512C, Compressors API 525 and Sound interface TC Electronics Studio Konnekt 48. Cheers Johan
Hey Johan, what tubes are used for each head?
Please Do the new Marshall origin50 head vs a plexi 50.
The kit sounds a little more solid-statey, but still sounds great.
I liked the kit amp better. I’ll let you burn me at the stake. I know, I’m a heretic, but at least I’ll die after hearing those glorious tones.
I agree. I heard more low end on the kit.
@@kenq7948 maybe has different tubes?
@@richardg5301 Yes, using the same tubes would have been a more "apples to apples" comparison.. There are so many variables that can affect tone. I see there are different color capacitors. People have said that point to point wiring sounds better than circuit boards.
I prefer the kit
Hi Johan! You know, that Kit is awesome! But Marshall is Marshall - what can I say more? Off course original is better! I sent you link in previous video!
So, have a nice weekend! Thank you for that video!
Zigfrid.
They say the kits and amps from ceriatone are monsters!
Marshall all the way for me! The Kit amp sounded weak.
I reckon the Kit has a sound more like an original, the reissue does sound harsher and nothing like an original IMO and it’s been the same with the ones I’ve tried personally.
I prefer the kit amp.