Thank you for this. I watched this after I already bought a steam espresso IMUSA machine off Amazon. Can't complain for $30 but I noticed the coffee didn't seem as strong as an espresso, basically tasted like regular coffee. Thanks again. :)
Hi, The Epic will last you anywhere from 3 to 5 years if you take good care of it by purging the steam wand every time you froth milk and descale the machine every couple of months or so.
Hi, saw your video on coffee, espresso machines. It was a very useful . Just want to know which pump espresso machine were you showing in this video? Thanks
Thank you for the information. I’ve been contemplating what to get and what’s the difference between the 3.5 and 15 bar size jump between pressures. Basically the 3.5 is a compact drip machine that can steam milk and the 15 bar is more of a true espresso machine. Looks like I’ll invest the extra $50 and buy the 15 bar pressure machine instead. Thank you again.
Great video thanks for posting 👍 The steam pressure machine is more akin to a moka pot that uses steam pressure to push hot water through the coffee grounds. It's slightly better than a moka pot though as the coffee grounds are not exposed to the same heating as a stove top moka. You will get a stronger coffee than a drip machine but not as intense as a pumped espresso. Interesting video thanks 👍
Ive been using a Salton boiler for 25 years. Yes, i can get crema. Yes, i get a perfect tail of dark amber-brown espresso drawing into my cup every morning. Yes, i can steam froth my milk. This is a process of understanding the boiler, the valve, the timing, and the sequencing of the brew process. On top of all this, the other variables of ground size, tamp firmness, amount of grounds - all yield a totally different cup of coffee. But it takes time, craftsmanship, patience, love, and care. The coffee that this guy pours out of the caraffe is, first of all, FAR too much coffee for an espresso. And u CAN make a regular 8 oz cup of coffee with a boiler. But the diarrhea that he pours from that caraffee looks weak, it even has a sour bitter "look" to it. I have drawn cups of coffee that smell like burnt tires with my boiler. But this was when i first got it and hadnt taken any time to understand what was happening inside the machine. The pump drivers do most of the work for u. no love no craft no art.
I always thought boiler based espresso machines, big ones, like the ones you see in cafes are the "better" ones? Maybe the _commercial_ ones can reach the pressures required? Or i am mistaken that they are boiler based?
Hi I received mine 801 fully auto today, makes great espresso and frothy milk ...my concern though is ,it makes lot of rattling and humming noise when i press "1 cup" button...
Sophistication, cheapness, all of that aside. I can make a world class cup of espresso with a boiler.......for myself and one other person. easily. But if im making coffee for 25 people, im not making it with a boiler. and im not making an espresso for all 25 people...ALL AT ONE TIME> And for my money, 2 or 3 out of those 25 people are going to be pleased with the amount of care i take in making their coffee to THEIR taste personally. Im not trying to impress anyone. Id love to please as many people as possible tho, so all i need is my care, artisty, and a way to create coffee that ive perfected on my own. No shiny high dollar machine will do that for me.
Its just awesome episode. Coz, when we go any store to buy coffee machine, they just say 15 bar is good. . ....they dont even have proper knowledge about HOW THE PRESSURE IS MADE. . . ... 🤭🤔
Thank u so much for such a great illustration to understand but sir please advice which one is best for long journey of coffee making and reliable prospective Thanks Sir......("-")
Hi, It seems you are considering using this machine for commercial purposes. None of our machines is suitable for commercial purposes. In fact, we strongly recommend you stay away from any similar price and size category machines for commercial use- Here's our take on it:- www.tecnora.in/blog/buying-espresso-machine-cafe/
Please don't make the same mistake I did and assume that a pump style is always better. The market is loaded with trashy pump style machines (9 to 19 bar pressure). I bought a DeLonghi, and it's an abomination. I get much better tasting coffee (not espresso) from my even-cheaper Krups steam machine. The DeLonghi pump makes wretched espresso, it's either really weak, or really bitter. The Krups makes crazy strong coffee that actually has some tasty complexity.
Indeed! An around the same price range, or a bit more expensive, pump machine can be much worse than the steam machine. I've seen three different pump machines, which had trouble pushing the water through the coffee puck, and runs out of "juice" very quickly, not even filling a proper double espresso in a single go, or steam milk to prepare cappuccino. The resulting drink with the pump machines did have more crema, but the coffee itself felt very watery, cold and generally unsatisfying. Tried different grounds of coffee, nothing helps. Went back to a steam one. Of course, if your finances allow you to get an expensive pump machine, you should get it, and it's probably gonna be great, but in the inexpensive range, "15 bar pump coffee machines" are just a waste of money and peace of mind.
@@rajareddy4059 local brands. Polaris PCM 1520AE, some other Polaris model I can't exactly remember, and some Kitfort model. All of them have pretty much the same chinese-produced guts and controls, only with rearranged placement of those.
a pump does not create pressure. a pump moves liquid. resistance is required to create pressure. the elements responsible for pressure, of any measure, are as follows: the flow rate from the pump nozzle (pump strength), the baseline resistance of the flow rate as it reaches the tiny holes in the portafilter, the effectiveness of the seal between the portafilter and the body of the machine. THese are manufacturer sepcifications classified as "non variables". THe other elements which effect pressure in a variable manner are grind size and pack firmness. The 15 barre measure is a manufacturer baseline of pressure as per the way the machine is made. A boiler has the exact same elements with very little deviation. The water flows thru as it reaches a particulare temperature sufficient to open the pressure valve within the boil chamber, about 2 thirds the way up the side of the chamber. At the top of the chamber is a small valve which allows steam to pass thru a separate orifice to the wand. Release of steam pressure in the boiler is controlled by the frother valve. If the valve is not closed completely, water will not pass thru into the portafilter. if it is closed the water passes thru a a lower point in the chamber, leaving the steam inside. There are very few differences between the way these two machines heat water and create steam. THe best way to make a pure epresso with no steamed milk is to leave the froth valve closed and pay close attention as the water pressurizes inside the boiler and begins to pass thru the coffee into the caraffe. If the coffee stream is drippy, aerated and bubbly, ur grind and pack are not consistent or optimum for a balanced espresso. If the coffee comes thru in a rat tail shaped stream gradual and even, then what u will see at the end of a complete draw of one or 2 shots is a dark amber brown hue of coffee with a sweet smell, a butterscotch colored layer of crema that is rich and fragrant. THis process takes time and care and a fair degree of artistry. Coffee is an art. Its also a pasttime or a hobby. Its also a novelty. It just depends on ur level of absorption.
Thank you for this. I watched this after I already bought a steam espresso IMUSA machine off Amazon. Can't complain for $30 but I noticed the coffee didn't seem as strong as an espresso, basically tasted like regular coffee. Thanks again. :)
Thanks for the tip on the difference between the cheap espresso machines and the better ones, excellent info and quick and to the point! Great Job!
It depends on what kind of coffee you like and if you like the coffee then its the right machine for you 👍🏻
Finally someone brought this gem of a machine to India. Do we get after sales service and spare parts easily?
Rajesh sir, what is the average life of Tecnora Epic TCM 801A machine if I'm making about 4 cups a day at home ?
Hi, The Epic will last you anywhere from 3 to 5 years if you take good care of it by purging the steam wand every time you froth milk and descale the machine every couple of months or so.
Thanks sir :)
Hi, saw your video on coffee, espresso machines. It was a very useful . Just want to know which pump espresso machine were you showing in this video? Thanks
Thank you for the information. I’ve been contemplating what to get and what’s the difference between the 3.5 and 15 bar size jump between pressures. Basically the 3.5 is a compact drip machine that can steam milk and the 15 bar is more of a true espresso machine. Looks like I’ll invest the extra $50 and buy the 15 bar pressure machine instead. Thank you again.
Good info. I need to get a bonafide expresso machine with the proper mechanisms installed to brew a true shot of expresso.
This is very informative! Thank you.
Your welcome Ahmad!
Great video thanks for posting 👍 The steam pressure machine is more akin to a moka pot that uses steam pressure to push hot water through the coffee grounds. It's slightly better than a moka pot though as the coffee grounds are not exposed to the same heating as a stove top moka. You will get a stronger coffee than a drip machine but not as intense as a pumped espresso. Interesting video thanks 👍
Ive been using a Salton boiler for 25 years. Yes, i can get crema. Yes, i get a perfect tail of dark amber-brown espresso drawing into my cup every morning. Yes, i can steam froth my milk. This is a process of understanding the boiler, the valve, the timing, and the sequencing of the brew process. On top of all this, the other variables of ground size, tamp firmness, amount of grounds - all yield a totally different cup of coffee. But it takes time, craftsmanship, patience, love, and care. The coffee that this guy pours out of the caraffe is, first of all, FAR too much coffee for an espresso. And u CAN make a regular 8 oz cup of coffee with a boiler. But the diarrhea that he pours from that caraffee looks weak, it even has a sour bitter "look" to it. I have drawn cups of coffee that smell like burnt tires with my boiler. But this was when i first got it and hadnt taken any time to understand what was happening inside the machine. The pump drivers do most of the work for u. no love no craft no art.
I always thought boiler based espresso machines, big ones, like the ones you see in cafes are the "better" ones?
Maybe the _commercial_ ones can reach the pressures required? Or i am mistaken that they are boiler based?
Hi I received mine 801 fully auto today, makes great espresso and frothy milk ...my concern though is ,it makes lot of rattling and humming noise when i press "1 cup" button...
The pump will settle down over time. The air trapped in the pump takes some time to escape.
Sophistication, cheapness, all of that aside. I can make a world class cup of espresso with a boiler.......for myself and one other person. easily. But if im making coffee for 25 people, im not making it with a boiler. and im not making an espresso for all 25 people...ALL AT ONE TIME> And for my money, 2 or 3 out of those 25 people are going to be pleased with the amount of care i take in making their coffee to THEIR taste personally. Im not trying to impress anyone. Id love to please as many people as possible tho, so all i need is my care, artisty, and a way to create coffee that ive perfected on my own. No shiny high dollar machine will do that for me.
Its just awesome episode.
Coz, when we go any store to buy coffee machine, they just say 15 bar is good. . ....they dont even have proper knowledge about HOW THE PRESSURE IS MADE. . . ... 🤭🤔
If I already have a steam espresso machine, is there a way I can enhance the machine and increase the bars of pressure?
Hi Pavly, try to clean the machine with vinegar-infused water(de-scaling). It might help.
Cheers!
What material do you use in your dual boiler machines ? Also what capacity boilers are they?
Thank u so much for such a great illustration to understand but sir please advice which one is best for long journey of coffee making and reliable prospective Thanks Sir......("-")
I'm officially calling my coffee or espresso "brew of bean juice" from now on.
SANJAY DUTT DOES COFFEE MACHINE REVIEWS?????
does your semiautomatic esspresso machine has stainless steel lines and food safe boiler.
From which coffee machine we can take 35-50 shorts in a day
Hi,
It seems you are considering using this machine for commercial purposes.
None of our machines is suitable for commercial purposes.
In fact, we strongly recommend you stay away from any similar price and size category machines for commercial use-
Here's our take on it:-
www.tecnora.in/blog/buying-espresso-machine-cafe/
Please don't make the same mistake I did and assume that a pump style is always better. The market is loaded with trashy pump style machines (9 to 19 bar pressure).
I bought a DeLonghi, and it's an abomination. I get much better tasting coffee (not espresso) from my even-cheaper Krups steam machine.
The DeLonghi pump makes wretched espresso, it's either really weak, or really bitter.
The Krups makes crazy strong coffee that actually has some tasty complexity.
Indeed! An around the same price range, or a bit more expensive, pump machine can be much worse than the steam machine. I've seen three different pump machines, which had trouble pushing the water through the coffee puck, and runs out of "juice" very quickly, not even filling a proper double espresso in a single go, or steam milk to prepare cappuccino.
The resulting drink with the pump machines did have more crema, but the coffee itself felt very watery, cold and generally unsatisfying. Tried different grounds of coffee, nothing helps. Went back to a steam one.
Of course, if your finances allow you to get an expensive pump machine, you should get it, and it's probably gonna be great, but in the inexpensive range, "15 bar pump coffee machines" are just a waste of money and peace of mind.
@@bloodgulchpatrick what are the three PUmp machines you have experience with..
@@rajareddy4059 local brands. Polaris PCM 1520AE, some other Polaris model I can't exactly remember, and some Kitfort model.
All of them have pretty much the same chinese-produced guts and controls, only with rearranged placement of those.
Now i know what the f is wrong with my morphy richards coffee maker, how can i buy your product
a pump does not create pressure. a pump moves liquid. resistance is required to create pressure. the elements responsible for pressure, of any measure, are as follows: the flow rate from the pump nozzle (pump strength), the baseline resistance of the flow rate as it reaches the tiny holes in the portafilter, the effectiveness of the seal between the portafilter and the body of the machine. THese are manufacturer sepcifications classified as "non variables". THe other elements which effect pressure in a variable manner are grind size and pack firmness. The 15 barre measure is a manufacturer baseline of pressure as per the way the machine is made. A boiler has the exact same elements with very little deviation. The water flows thru as it reaches a particulare temperature sufficient to open the pressure valve within the boil chamber, about 2 thirds the way up the side of the chamber. At the top of the chamber is a small valve which allows steam to pass thru a separate orifice to the wand. Release of steam pressure in the boiler is controlled by the frother valve. If the valve is not closed completely, water will not pass thru into the portafilter. if it is closed the water passes thru a a lower point in the chamber, leaving the steam inside. There are very few differences between the way these two machines heat water and create steam. THe best way to make a pure epresso with no steamed milk is to leave the froth valve closed and pay close attention as the water pressurizes inside the boiler and begins to pass thru the coffee into the caraffe. If the coffee stream is drippy, aerated and bubbly, ur grind and pack are not consistent or optimum for a balanced espresso. If the coffee comes thru in a rat tail shaped stream gradual and even, then what u will see at the end of a complete draw of one or 2 shots is a dark amber brown hue of coffee with a sweet smell, a butterscotch colored layer of crema that is rich and fragrant. THis process takes time and care and a fair degree of artistry. Coffee is an art. Its also a pasttime or a hobby. Its also a novelty. It just depends on ur level of absorption.
My guy looks like he needs some of what he is talking about.