HIDDEN SYNERGY | Melee Influence + Dual Ichor Incarnon EVEN STRONGER!
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Melee Influence + Dual Ichor Incarnon EVEN STRONGER!
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What's good folks?!
I'm here with a INSANELY strong Warframe + Weapon Synergy that's been made even stronger.
Enjoy!
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00:00 - Introduction + Build Conception
00:26 - What was wrong + Changes?
01:10 - IMPORTANT
01:21 - Melee Influence Mechanics
02:12 - What you need - to work?
02:43 - Influence Unique Trait
03:15 - Electric Elemental Scaling
03:39 - Ichor Incarnon Mechanic
03:56 - Ichor Cloud Scaling
04:15 - Ichor Elemental Spread
04:43 - Influence + Ichor Synergy
05:17 - Saryn Synergy
05:29 - Toxic Lash + Influence
05:53 - Toxic Lash Scaling
06:44 - Small Info Refresh
06:54 - Saryn Ichor Build
07:35 - Helminth [For All Builds]
07:58 - Elemental Combo + Ichor
08:33 - Saryn + Ichor SP Demo
09:48 - Riven Recommendation
10:01 - Best Companion
10:12 - Gas Mechanics + Clouds
10:26 - Rhino Synergy
10:49 - Rhino Ichor Build
11:12 - Rhino + Ichor SP Demo
11:26 - Volt Synergy
11:42 - Volt Ichor Build
11:54 - S. Trooper Element Priority
12:33 - Volt + Ichor SP Demo
13:03 - Benefits of other Frames
13:34 - Voruna ofc...
13:54 - Saryn Build
15:30 - Volt Build + Companion Synergy
16:25 - Rhino Build
16:39 - Conclusion
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Recording Software: NVIDIA Share [Shadowplay] + OBS
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FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND PATCH NOTES REFER TO THIS = 4:54 EZ Prediction
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The Original Vid from the Arcane was released - so you can see the difference in the strength and scaling.
ruclips.net/video/Sl5pHx3Xv5s/видео.htmlsi=vNqBjhC_OpXRkqaU
Yea ohma trash for influence. Azn already showed us why 😂
Korumm or sobek + dual ichors now that's a deadly combination 👌
Please try out to make zenistar disc viable in endgame content. I would Like to See you with your with Knowledge to Build it.
i got godly riven but which mod i should replace it with i got md + toxic please advise
You probably won't read this, but toxic lash augment spreads as well. Toxic lash+lash augment+xatas whisper. I don't have the mods to see it's full potential neither do I know the math. Ps ice then toxic then electric lined up in that order get you viral and electric. If you do read this please call me Royal Hue Art. Much appreciated.
I am genuinely happy for your success as a content creator for one of my favorite games. Your videos are always teaching me new ways to break the game and have fun.
Well done man. Definitely trying this. We truly have reached new levels of power creep.
A thing I think is super worth mentioning is that with Saryn using the ichors especially, the Evolution 1 option that gives you +5 combo when hitting an enemy with toxin in will give you 12x combo basically instantly, and is imo worth it over the attack speed from landing the last hit of the combo with how often things die before that point.
It's a bit less instant and reliable, but you can get a similar effect with a manifold bond Diriga with the weapon modded to prime toxin on other frames, too.
I was just looking for that Ichor vid, perfect timing to find this update!
Also would have loved to see your two rivens 👀
I am surprised that I noticed that thing with Melee influence with the gas clouds of the Dual Ichor before you did. Normally I look at your builds to figure stuff out and then cater it to my needs but this time, I am finally learning! lol
I didn't knew melee influence adds another level of dipping. This is great! More powah!
I’ve always known that the Dual Ichor had a huge potential already before the Incarnon form, also with the Influence Arcane… but I didn’t know it could be THAT STRONG. Great build, great tutorial, too bad I sold my riven mod a few days ago 🤣 thanks for the video Tenno!!
I really love your builds, especially this build beacuase i love Saryn and she is my main frame. I use it with Djinn instead of Nautilus, with Fatal Atraction on max priority and contagious bond, along side with Sacrifice and Reawaken and it's works pretty well, corrosive everywhere. Thx to you, i put aside spores mechanic and i have a lot of NEW fun with Saryn. I hope that with the new Inaros rework, you'll be able to create a new build for him, maybe with some hidden synergies 😉😉😉😉😉
Why are there so many mad quick edits on your face cam? Its like you remembered one line at a time and recorded about 2000 takes to splice together 😂
Because most RUclipsrs cut between sentences to speed up the talking and help retain everyone attention.
@@bowera89yeah but its crazy frequent for some reason in this video, its cuts literally in between words
Rather that than useless pauses and stuttering or Ah... ah...ahh.
Mid sentence cuts indicate brain rot you cannot convince me otherwise lmao
tf type of nitpickin is this? 😭
Great video!
i still cant unsee those new fist incarnon just using stamps to FISTIN the enemys
but that arm cannon is gunna be noice
Best Warframe Content Creator in the fu**ing world bro! I was at he stream when editing.😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
So any of these changes impact the Prisma Ohma build you did on your other video?
Dual E-Corezzzz shenanigans bout to be hit with the hammer when Dante comes to play
Thought this was common khowledge. The cloud dmg has been tested since the incarnon came out. As for the melee arcane, it is indeed bad wording, but after using it, most ppl realize what the arcane actually does
by time i get dual ichor, this tech is gonna be done
Do you have anything on the Nautilus to further boost your survivability? I'm pretty sure I know how to Shield-Gate but I keep dying before I even manage to enable Incarnon on the Dual Ichors :/
same here I need a fix for that asap
Just get used to spamming 'molt' very frequently. As soon as your screen flashes with the shield break, hit molt. If you're low on energy you can use rolling guard.
just adding this in since i just built the thing today march 13th... on hydroid the third ability being able to stack corrosive damage on everything at obscene numbers combined with nourish it's very dirty, then just add the tentacles with pilfering swarm it just gets silly.
So should i put this mod build on the Hydriod build you made when he had got his rework?
Welp there goes another fire influence combo on its way to get nerfed. Was a good month 🤷🏽♂️
womp womp
DE like Nerf combos and weapons
Did they already announce a nerf for this?
@@user-jm8sy5ox2j no but melee influence is slept on because everytime someone makes a good build they post it and it gets nerfed. Got nerfed 4 times, and everytime a bigger channel takes the content from a smaller one DE sees it before the players do and it gets nerfed.
@@juice2chi why hasnt gloom been nerfed yet then
Bro was under rock
What bonuses do the Saryn achon shards have, the 2green and 2yellow
I went a slightly different route but I took some of some was applied here using elec,rad,gas and wrathful advance gas keeps em busy radiation helps me not get hit and elec helps the clouds developed by this weapon.
I might try to tinker further by using a shock trooper frost. Or nourish KULLERVO
Contagion Cloud is generated by melee influence and dual ichor cloud too, right?
how is your fov so massive ? can someone explain ty :)
How would this synergize with elemental ward from Chroma? Im thinking about building an elemental ward hildryn and if I can stack the melee damage on a pillage cast it should be spectacular.
for rhino ichor build , which mod does riven replace? focus radon?
To be fair with saryn, unless you're doing level cap runs then you really dont need the boost from nourish. Its better to health tank with gloom than to try to shield gate with saryn, saryn does so much damage that you dont need the viral anyways and gloom is much comfier
Uhhh, no, no, and another no.
Dual Ichor is still my most used weapon after 8 years.
I really enjoy your content. Ignore the trolls, keep up making science like Warframe videos
Everything looks cool but for me more stable it's balla with exodia force melee influence building on viral, good chunk of dmg nad armor strip.
For beggining ichor will kill faster, but with each lvl balla won kpm.
I'll have to try it with kat kittag , could be fun ,i wonder what other melee could work well or be fun to try with melee influence
Limbo facts. The clous of double ichor are considered ability and don't care about the other dimension. Just like the regulators.
And the 3 of limbo can give thousands % of base dommage.
Now you have my attention
Ima try that
gyatt damn its good tho
bruh delete this shit🤣😂
Precision : you need the augment to gain bonus dammage on limbo's third ability.
Can this dual ichor be played on Gauss prime?
“Why are these fools still breathing my air!!”
whats your suggestion on archon shards for saryn build?
I use this for ninkondi prime and it’s so much fun
I think this build can be improved even further by replacing Nautilus with Diriga and its electric coil precept alongside condition overload and loading up your vulcax with all the status effects you can that aren’t already included in the build. There is a shorts video by a RUclipsr that went over more synergy’s between diriga and melees but I can’t remember the name
Reminder
The clouds don't benefit from co
It's arc coil and this is a cloud dps influence build
uhh why are you not showing voruna build?
To anyone who wonder about xata - dont. Just use roar. Roar doubledip all the damage that arcane spreads(spread-damage will do x2 of initial hit damage) and tripledip status damage it spreads. Have a good time while still can. After all, DE won’t nerf overpowered sarina, and it’s unlikely that the ichors will be nerfed, they’ll just goona kill melee influence :^]
@@iyaf4l3x64 Because the main idea of this build is to abuse melee influence. Xata does not work on melee influence. No spread damage boost, no status damage boost, only the initial melee hit damage and damage from clouds is affected. No void bubble as an additional status because neither ichor clouds nor arcane can proc it.
If you want some numbers here you go:
No roar\xata: 41 melee hit(mh), arcane spread damage(asd) 32, toxin dot(td) 20,
Xata(298str): mh 41+32, asd32, td 20
Roar(298str): mh 78, asd 114, td 138.
As for clouds - Xata: 4.2k + 3.3k and 4.2 asd, while Roar: 8k hit and 15k asd
Anymore reasons not to use xata?
@@ImNotMewMew thanks for crunching some numbers, so roars is better than nourish too in an influence build even if we don't consider faction mods?? Tryng to build my kullervo with a influence falcor heavy attack build haha
@@Sarazan97 There is auto-deletion for any posts with links, even if its imgur, so no screenshots ._.
repost:
In short, yes. In more detail, Nourish is a specific viral ability, so if you're not running a viral on your weapon or want to have more of qol, thanks to energy that nourish grants, then go for nourish.
You need to understand that if you have, say, 4 statuses of 10k dmg each, then the melee influence will only spread these 10k, not all 40k. Here is simple test:
*there must be an imgur link*
I use volt with Shock Trooper. On the right its not active and spread dmg numbers are 14(20?) for electricity and 20 for gas.
On the left its active, gives us 298% additional electric dmg. But gas still proc for 20, while electricity - for 60.
Hit damage(melee hit against enemy, not arcane spread) 44 for both electric and gas without shock trooper and 90 if its active.
@@iyaf4l3x64 🤣
te last build was working batter enemy stayed a bit more so the next spawn will get the effects and the cycel continume , in this build it nuke all and you have to move, i like the older one batter
imma try this out with kulervo see iff that initial big hit with his 1 increases the damage even further althoug not needed,but would be cool ;P
I thought xata was better for helping the clouds spread, but nourish is better damage?
Melee Influence no longer procs more toxic clouds - weapons still good , but no longer a map clearer by itself;
i use yareli + gloom + dual toxocyst + melee influence
Thought bro was chill but nah he gettin the chancla if we ask stupid shit 💀 honestly relatable 😂😂
I use melee influence level 1 cause the time refresh is lower even with a lower area. That helps when enemies just die faster than the time refresh. I believe its something to consider. Not to mention that u can use arcon shards to apply electric damage using helminth for another use.
That shard is for primary tho
@@noahedenborg4221 wrong. Primary and/or ability damage
@@lfugate1359 yeah but ur melee needs to proc electric for influence to trigger
@@noahedenborg4221 yes. Everyone who knows about influence knows this already. And?
@@lfugate1359 then why the fuck talk about shards freeing up helmith
This is so filthy. I love it.
Thx dude.
I wonder what is your skin on the dual ichor
Would Chroma-Lighting be good too?
wonder how well it'd work on ember with her augment!
have you tried it with Banshee btw
I wonder if there is a good way to make this work with mirage.
What weapon is the Tractor cannon?
could you show your settings in the game ?
is melee influence worth buying if i'm not at steel path yet? would this scale well at lower level without the incarnon stuff?
PS: i checked it seems normal weapons don't have an arcane slot
u have to whisper in the wall quest
Don't buy them, mate. You are still quite far to these kind of build. Please don't take it personally, is your plat. Btw I am Legendary 3 with 5000 hours and I'm not gonna buy them, just play and farm them naturally or just use another build
@@oscargm1979 thanks for the advice ^^
You definitely don't need this for regular star chart. Work on optimizing your frame / weapon mods
The clouds do trigger it in some way you can afk farm and it keeps reprocing until your incarnon runs out
Yep those clouds do propagate themselves just like saryn spores in the old days. this synergy will most likely will get nerfed in someway because you barely need to do anything and you get about 180-200 kpm just like that
@@gawrgurafan31 yea but it worked like that even before melee influence since their first buff to the ichors. like mechanically exactly the same, melee influence just adds some more damage, but it was already overkill without. so idk, tbh, I don't see them nerfing this for now, because it works like that for several updates now.
My favourite melee weapon since they made the incarnon form. Ez semi AFK survival farm. XD
Yo knightmare scoot to the left a little 🤣 wanna see that energy colour
Got riven with electricity, melee DMG, and cc/ -'cc on slide attack.(Yes it has that typo on it) Just don't have incarnon adapter yet lol
how much plat
@@zyla.630He aint selling it bro
Am i missing the explanation why condition overload isnt used ?
literally first 30 seconds of the video
Hi i'm not sure but does he ever show the actual build for this saryn in the video?
Of course, watch the video before you comment lol
YOU'RE WELCOME : )
i still had lots of fun with the other one :)
This saryn and ichor setup w a citrine full power strenght and u swap the weeping wounds for condition overload gg ez nuking
shhhhh don't let de know, but diriga can activate melee influence as well.....
Tldr: dual ichor work well with influent, especial saryn..
Hey there,
7:27 I don't get why you say Primed fever strike & Virulent scourge boosts the damage of the cloud through toxin.
Aren't they combined in gas with Volcanic edge ?
And if Toxic lash "extract" the toxin damage, won't Electricity merge with Volcanic edge to produce Corrosive.
It doesn't seems so (gas still procs when Toxic lash is active), so I don't think that melee toxin mod boosts the damage of Dual ichor clouds, only the innate Toxin damage from Toxic lash ?
Because you ain't paid attention 😂 influence triple dips it remember
Remember toxic lash scales bro scales from base damage, faction damage and elemental damage therefore primed fever strike and virulent scourge does boost the damage of clouds
It can proc vortex and make vaccum puddles
So i just started Steel path and noticed i deal significant less dmg (grineers on earth amirite) and i tried to replicate this build ofc i dont have the specific mods (i got electric fever toxin normal rank max) hes using but its not working (and earth grineers are around 102-104) using Voruna. My question is HOW DID HE GET TO 117% STATUS CHANCE? im barely at 35%
idk did u pay attention to the video
you need the incarnon adapter bro, without it this weapon is shit
@trippywalrus its steel path viable without it too. Try again.
@@trippywalrus well its not dogshit
But better with then without
What this tour build sarynn????
I switch berserk fury with the radiation mod and help alot with dmg
I've been witness to the editing of this video and the result is smooth af. What a good content creator you are knightmar3
I run the weapon with volt with nourish and the weapon with crossive and it basically delets the sp mot, idk about really high lvls but lv 150 dies easily so yeah
@KnightmareFrame would hydroid with nourish work since he can give viral and corrosive ?
yeah
its very strong (even without nourish hydroid has the augment for 1 as an option for different source of viral)
seriously I want to know what skin/cosmetic u used for your dual ichor
That looks like the Stavika Dual Swords skin, it was a Nightwave skin from a previous season but I don't think its come back yet.
@@thekingdra487they put it on "star days" store since today
@@thekingdra487 it came back on affection day, and i got it today, demn it looks so good
Can you show me the voruna dual ichor build xD?
what were the archon shards for saryn?
If i were to guess 2x casting speed and 2x max corrosive stacks
12 forma is actually insane
doesnt need 12 forma thats just all the forma hes spend on the weapon over the years
For a while, this weapon could reach 1000 kills per minute in one of the murmur missions, until DE fixed how enemies spawn there. Maybe there were people who could reach higher values, no idea.
Edit: I got skill issue myself
is it fine if im using a rank 3 melee influence cuz i dont think my build is working. it doesnt cause a chain reaction and i need to get close to enemies to kill them. how do i fix this
supposedly the cloud doesn't proc the arcane anymore
Edit: Bah, we all saw an appropriate rebalancing as inevitable, & Dual Ichor circuit incarnon is still one of the best curcuit melees just the same imo. All had plenty of time to enjoy the pre patch version, & so for those who didn't get the chance, that's on us. Feel silly for even posting about it to begin with.
Bro nerf is not that bad, it is still S-tier build if you read patch notes carefully and understand that clouds triggering arcane was patched. You can still trigger arcane with melee hits and arcane will trigger without any extra effort on you behalf!!
Go ahead and have fun!!
@@atwarroyal8770 Thank you! Plus, tbh it we know sometimes its just a matter of time b4 some thing that needs rebalancing is. Indeed Dual Ichor is still viable & best of all fun!
I cant believe i chose Dual Toxicyts ober these last circuit run :( how long till they come back?
Roughly a month and a half
@samreddig8819 thanks for that info. Do circuit cycles always have the same sets? So next time it drops it'll be torid and ichors?
@@OftenYesMan it's always the same, what u see this week will come back the same after the rest of the "sets" cycle.
Nah toxocyst is good aswell
@noahedenborg4221 it's very good but I'm more about the Melee play
Would Citrine work with her increased status chance/shock damage?
the melee needs to proc electric to trigger infulence
@@noahedenborg4221 darn
@@noahedenborg4221 If I using eletrical Amp from my operator?
i have a riven but im wondering if it would be good for this. would suck to have to reroll it. stats are:
- x1.55 damage to Grineer
- +214.1% Critical chance (x2 for heavy attacks)
- +204.1% Melee Damage
- -2 Range
It feels nice for a critical build as it also increases melee damage and amazing against grineer if i also have faction mods. Idk what do you guys think?
This is me personally but I despise negative range rest of the stats are great tho
@@Rena_Soar yeah i get what you mean. Thinking i could put prime reach instead of pressure point or something but would rather a ton of damage than range. Like if it doesn't effect the gas clouds everywhere then i just gotta be a little closer to enemies to proc it
@@calebdamico1589 I’d do condition overload blood rush weeping wounds done elementals which would be your choice the riv organ shatter and primed reach that’s generally what I use if I have a riv if not then I use the faction mods, I’d honestly say use what ya like or what works for ya
Primed reach is only there for combo and aoe the poison clouds are nice but killing more in one swipe = more aoe but hell if it’s working keep on doing
@@Rena_Soar yeah I'm trying to do knightmarrframes build as best i can but including the riven. I think just remove blood rush for range if i feel it lacking. Or if not lacking just put riven in and have less range. Don't need range to proc melee influence technically but it would make it easier
Wich shards are you using on saryn?
2 ember corrosive 2 casting speed
Hey there, I've been playing around with the build from the past video for a couple of weeks now and it's already pretty fine :)
Several questions outside of what you covered in your new video :
- There's no way to modify dual ichor cloud ranges ? I thought you moded a lot for melee range for this in the previous video
- Because Saryn's contagion cloud range varies depending on warframe range.. so ... Math ?
- Even if dual ichor clouds damage ramp up on elemental damage, and srayn + corrosive mod boosts it, why dropping the contagion cloud mod ? Because no more range ?
- Or because CC clouds procs on kills, same as incarnon form, so they compete for the kills ? (Who gets the kill get the cloud ?)
- CC cloud > other advantage, with dual ichor cloud procing statuses, they can proc toxin.
- Second evolution 5 additional Combos on targets affected by Toxin. Pretty much you are 12x combo all the time, even without hitting... Maybe go for a heavy attack focused build ?
- When moded for range, with spore re-proced on melee, it propagates a lot and avoid micro management (alonside addeding corrosive)
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Also what about Saryn/Hydroid with the green shard + ability corrosive damage ?
Isn't it less good overall than flat red Strength which boosts utility too ?
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Going overkill:
- Melee influence > since the buffs has a duration of XX seconds, and Electricity and Poison are both basic elements... Can we proc electricty with an exalted weapons, then switch to full toxin dual ichor to get the best of both world ?
- After a quick search on toxin obscure stuff, how about Anabolic_Pollination and Proton_Snap mods ?
- How about interaction with Healing_Return, especially on your health tank build ? If it proc you're immortal with the speed of the status ? x)
- Saryn spore + CC + Full armor stripe with green shards... Dual ichor clouds damage still comes from elemental so why not mod for viral (easy 10 procs w. status chances) to enhance further toxin ticks (still provided by toxic lash flat toxin element adding without mixing)
Need to do some testing myself haha
Sorry for the long text
Thanks a lot for your videos ;)
What's the "Traditional" build for your Dual Ichor like?
Yo whered you get that saryn skin?
Yes
Hey, why condition overload it's not recomended?
only works on direct hits
La chancla prime build please
I dont understand why nobody asked you about add emerald shards for +% Toxin Damage
They also needs to make mod that is already magnetic on it😂
what skin is that he is using on ichor
Dual swords stavika skin from nightwave rewards.
Build nautilus please ❤
Any videos on Akarius prime and acceltra prime?
no
mr fodder
YEAHHH
Having more than 100% status chance is even worth?
Definitely. Above 100% chance you roll again for another status. And above 200% you'll roll for yet another, etc. So having the additional status chance is hugely important, especially for this build since you want to proc electric as much as possible.
Of course, one way or another. Having a synergy that provides that with any build is generally worthwhile for the more difficult, esp higher lvl content in game.