Biohome filter media and foams: www.filterpro.co.uk Here we go. This is a video showing why the inlet and outlet of a canister filter should be on the same end of the tank. When you see the muck (simulated by neutral buoyancy gel filter balls) being shifted to the same side of the tank as the outlet there really should be no argument about where to locate the outlet and intake of any canister filter. However, I'd still expect people to argue over the placement of both the outlet and the intake - that's just how the internet is .... For a thinking mind, when you see exactly where the muck goes in a water current the choice of where to locate the intake and the outlet of a canister filter becomes obvious. Unfortunately there are still many 'experts' making videos online who ignore any sort of common sense who say that the intake and outlet should be on opposite sides - that is wrong as this video clearly shows. If you found any sort of value in this video please feel free to share it anywhere online - the visuals don't lie. Check out the FilterPro website here for the best filter media available: www.filterpro.co.uk Also, if you're interested in learning more about filtration, water conditioners and how to create a set up which is low maintenance with perfect water check out the FilterPro Q&A page here: www.filterpro.co.uk/qa-24-w.asp *SUPPLEMENTAL:* Avoid using any water conditioners which claim to 'remove / detoxify or bind' the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate since they will starve the bacteria which are needed to process the ammonia, nitrate and nitrate. It is quite obvious. Go for a normal conditioner like API Stress Coat geni.us/BHYeb which will simply make the water safe for life.
I have been keeping fish for ages and always thought that keeping in &out flow on the same side would not be the best results for many reasons. I have learned something new today. That is a perfect illustration. Bravo!!!!
Fluval obviously know this as on all their shaker and Siena tanks the inlet and outlet are on the same side, obviously they have done their homework, yet still people slate them for the way their tanks are setup and this proves that fluval are correct, great explanation.
Excellent demonstration, also having both inlet and outlet in the same place should increase the flow rate and save energy at the same time because the outlet pipe in not starched out at the other end. Less drag to push the water out
This have always been quite intuitive to me. The filter outlet create surface agitation and oxygenate the tank, then reach the far wall, where the water have to go down and then stream along the bottom, sweeping the muck with it in the process. Only the lightest bits will follow the upward stream at the filter end of the tank and follow along for another lap around the tank. It was very helpful to see how the mid setting of the filter gathered less muck around the end of the decorations though, I have never thought about that!
Yes that is very true about the large bits of muck and uneaten food and I over-sized the pump (and 'muck' represented by the balls) to make the visual representation more noticeable. I'm glad you found the video useful and thanks for the report on your tank.
Great advice. I have one large internal filter at one end of my tank and I found that when syphoning gunk off the top of my substrate there is always a saturation of muck right under the filter, proving the point you make. Thanks for sharing.
Wow, that was super helpful! I currently have my setup on the same side similar to this demonstration but when I get home I'm going to be moving the outlet closer to the center instead of the corner.
No worries and although every tank is different, in general terms the intake and exit pipes would be on the same end. Water naturally gravitates toward the point of extraction.
Fantastic video! For years I had my Eheim canister set up wrong, with the output and input on opposite sides of the aquarium. I finally discovered (after watching several videos) that they need to be on the same side. It's really rather counterintuitive in my opinion. On my central filtered rack system, my intakes are at the surface and the output near the bottom. The reason is that I need surface skimming, and good flow at the bottom to prevent algae buildup.
I'm glad you found the video useful and thanks for the comment - it's a great example of how there is never a definitive 'right' way to do anything and experimentation is key since every tank is different. Unfortunately many people are afraid to experiment which is something I've always found strange, lol
@@pondguru I think that is a topic for a different channel. I do find myself constantly making "improvements" to my aquariums in a constant quest for success. Every time I think everything is fine, I find a way to make it even better. Or solve a problem. That's what makes the hobby so interesting.
Great video,I first had my outflow against the back wall. I moved it to the side and no more blind spots. Also my beard algae is completely gone. Really recommended against the side wall.
Rich, that really is a brilliant video. Such a good way of showing and proving this to everybody, and can be a game changer too for many tanks. Good to see you again buddy 👌
No worries and I've been planning to do this video for a while but with limited time it took a while. I forgot to include a rotating outlet since I couldn't find it when I had a quick look when setting the tank up then forgot about it. If I find it I will make another video specifically for that.
@@pondguru hi mate, I am just watching the latest video from this channel called *That Is Impossible ", and a three second clip from one of your videos is on there...... take a look. It's at 23.33. Realised it as one I've watched in the past
@@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR Without knowing what the video is called I could spend all day looking for it on the channel, lol I didn't realize that I'd ever made anything interesting enough to be used for that channel but I'll take it as a compliment - all the videos on this channel are free to use so anyone can use anything from them with no worries about copyright.
@@pondguru it's the latest one they uploaded around 7 hrs ago. I know people can use your work but just thought I'd let you know, as I was surprised to recognise you on there
Great visual, something which I've thought about since the day I set up my tank. I opted to go for opposite ends for 2 reasons: 1. My tank has a brace and the gaps don't allow for both the inlet and outlet to fit on one side of the tank 2. I have a heavily planted aquarium with two big structures so potentially opposite ends may work better in this scenario Initially there was some muck in the middle of tank, but I positioned the inlet to hit straight forwards towards the front panel and now I have no muck on the substrate at all so my current set up is working.
Yes 100% - just alter the direction of flow until it works for you. Every tank is different and plants / structure makes the flow go in unexpected directions so experimentation is key.
Great video as usual.. thanks pondguru. I would really appreciate if you could also demonstrate the same, but this time with wave maker in the loop. I find it really useful for most of the tanks for surface agitation and sand skimming, specially in highly stocked aquariums.
(my other channel) I have a rotating outlet which I will be doing a video on tonight and it is very disappointing compared to a normal outlet. I was shocked when I saw how inefficient it was.
I have my Sicce Whale set up with the intake and outlet on the same end of the tank. Not because I thought it was optimal... but because I was forced to place the cannister beside the tank. Happy accident that my setup is apparently most effective!
I need some movement, but most of my critters prefer dead spots, so it's nice to have the visual to see where to adjust it from time to time to clear out the muck from the dead zones, as well as not blasting my plants into oblivion. =p I'm setting up a 75g, so this is very helpful!
I'm glad you found it useful and ultimately whatever works best for you is the best set up so play around with the intake / outlet until it works best for your tank.
I also saw that you should place them on opposite ends or together in the corner. The tank was always dirty in the opposite end of the tank. After watching your video, I changed them to the side like you showed and now the tank is clean. Great video.
I've got an old hydor rotating outlet which seems to have the best all round water movement as there are no dead spots. It also seems to make the fish a lot less stressed and swim around more naturally. I've tried every other possible outlet type possible. Filter: Oase biomaster 250 on a 112L tank. Inlet JBL Top Clean
Aaaarrrgghhhh......a rotating outlet is something I forgot to add to this demonstration. I have a spinstream fitting and I couldn't find it while setting up this tank then I forgot about it. I'll have a better look for it today and make another video if I can find it. Thanks for the reminder - my memory is terrible so I've written down 'look for rotating outlet' and pinned the note to the wall in my office, lol
Great video. Interested to know your suggestion on how the inlets and outlets will be placed if using the filters like hypermax4500 which has two inlets and two outlets?
As long as you have the inlets / outlets either at opposing sides or a side which will generate the best flow of water and muck depending on the structure in the tank its all good - there is never a perfect way to set up any tank since every tank is different. Just experiment with the inlets and outlets until you get the best pet up for your tank.
What a great explanation, most tanks I’ve seen have the built in holes for inlet and outlet making options limited….the industry needs to change a guess. On a personal note, I’m looking at moving my 250lt tank outside (its acrylic not glass), encasing it in decking material. Like a mini outside pond/ container. While I’m sure it will be fine, I’m also looking at housing my Fluval FX6 along with it, again it would be encased in the same structure as the tank (decking). If you can imagine a tank housed in decking with a small but connected bump out to contain the FX6 (that will form a seat). Good idea or not? Do you think the FX6 will survive outside? I’m thinking or packing around the FX6 with insulation.
As long as the water did not freeze it would be fine since there is almost no difference between a canister filter and a small pond pressure filter. If it was ever turned off it would be best to drain the pipes and filter if there was a risk of frost but other than that it sounds no problem to me.
Thinking of getting back into Fish keeping, just seen this and my jaw is on the floor. Such a simple demonstration that will make such a difference. Do you think it would be worth trying this when you have furniture in the tank before planting up?
Yes you can try it at any stage but ideally before adding the fish. Adding any structure will divert the flow and adding plants will diffuse the flow but generally water will gravitate toward the intake.
Good visualization. How would you set up two canister filters? Because I actually use two Fluval FX6 on one tank, and one FX6 + one Biomaster 850 on another tank. For the moment they are all set-up opposite of each other with their individual inputs + outputs together on one side. One output flows horizontally towards the other side, the second output on the other side flows towards the frontside of the aquarium.
I have two outlets/inlets (Aquael Hypermax 4500). I have both inlets (the water being taken into the filter) at the back wall at either end. The outlets are at the front of the tank at either end. My thinking was that the flow from each end meets in the middle and creates movement. Not sure if it's the best placement and to complicate things further I still have the Juwel internal filter running. Lots of filtration for lots of Mbuna! I also have two wave makers to help move the crap around. One at the back corner facing down behind the rockwork. And one at the front facing the surface. But I only run them twice a day for an hour or two. They don't need to live in a washing machine 24/7. 😂
If you have the option of 2 inlets and 2 outlets then it becomes a bit easier - have 1 x inlet and 1 x outlet at each side of the tank and you will never have a problem removing the muck from the tank.
@@pondguru that's the exact way I have mine set up, that I won from your give away competition. I was going to ask you what would be best in this case, but you have answered it here , so I did good 😊
See, that feels counter-intuitive, and I would've positioned them on opposite sides too. I've just bought a canister for my new tank, so I'm very glad to've seen this before I set it up. But it makes absolute sense when you look at how any Hang on the back or internal filters are designed. The outlet is always at the top and the inlet is much lower on the same side.
Since I hunt mostly pasture I've always liked the slower hunting and deeper accuracy of the ID's given by the Minelab machines so my go-to is still the 3030. However, the Deus 2 does look very good and if it could replicate that clean sweet silver sound of the Minelab machines it would be a contender. When I get that sweet sound in my ears it is like angels singing, lol
I just got the aquael hypermax per your advice. Since there's two outlets and inlets I'm trying to figure out where to face the outlets. Maybe they need to go the same direction?
Just experiment with the set up until you have no more dead spots. Depending on the structure in the tank the muck will settle wherever the flow is slowest. There is never a definitive right and wrong place to site the intake(s) and outlet(s) which is why experimentation is key to getting things right for your tank. Best of luck.
Hi Pondguru! Appreciate your efforts. The demonstration would have made more sense if you would have done it with a canister filter than an internal filter. Unfortunately, the flow from the canister outlet is of less pressure than the one of this internal filter.
The flow issue is why I used an internal pump and not a canister filter - I needed the gel balls to move well in the flow so I had to oversize the pump to get that effect which looked good in the video. The balls representing muck and uneaten food are way bigger than what would be found in a normal set up too but that was also done for better visuals.
Hi. it's depends what setup is in the tank. I have 250 litter tank with utramax 2000. never have a problem with muk or dirt. if you had external filter 3 times bigger then you need for your tank. it does work perfectly. over filtration not exist.
So I have a Hypermax Link (2 inlets and 2 outlets) and an Ecotech MP40 wave maker I have an inlet on each side of the tank and and outlet on the back left facing right and the second inlet is half way along the back of the tank facing right as well (the wave make is on the left hand side about 4 inches from the top of the tank on the left hand pane of glass pushing water to the right in the same direction. Would you suggest to set it up differently or good as it is ?
Every tank is different and as long as the muck is being swept towards the intake of the pump / canister intake it's all good. There's definitely no definitive 'right' way to set up the intake / outlets when there are multiples so whatever works for you is the best way.
Ideally the air stone would be located at the opposite end to the intake. That gives the bubbles plenty of time to rise up to the surface and not get drawn into the intake.
Hi I currently have the inlet and outlet on different sides like u say not to but I have a wave maker on same side as outlet pointing towards top to make water movement and recirculate the water better will it be ok to move the inlet underneath the wavemaker cheers
Well that sounds good to me. Having extra water movement further down in the tank will really stir the muck up. The intake for the canister would just be wherever the muck was collecting.
I appreciate what you've demonstrated but unless you have a peninsula tank most people won't want an output and intake on the side glass. Most people have them on the back at either opposite sides or them both on one side shooting the water diagonally but still creating a similar but probably not as effective semi circular flow. I wish you would have demonstrated those two options to show for the majority of people who wont position their outlets on the side glass of their tank.
There are so many possible set ups for intake and outlet and ultimately the 'best' set up is whatever works for you - just experiment and see what is best for your tank since every tank is different.
@@pondguru no i get what you are saying, it would have been nice to see how the water flow differed from most peoples standard installation in how you demonstrated,
As long as you have the inlets / outlets either at opposing sides or a side which will generate the best flow of water and muck depending on the structure in the tank its all good - there is never a perfect way to set up any tank since every tank is different. Just experiment with the inlets and outlets until you get the best pet up for your tank.
I’m guessing if you have 2 canister filters running you’d still just keep 1 inlet and outlet at either side? Or would you move both to the middle. I say that not sure how that would work on my fx6 right enough
If you have 2 filters running you can switch it up until you get the best results. Since every tank is different thee is no definitive way to set the filter inlets / outlets up, especially if you have multiple filters on the tank. What works best for you is the best set up.
Hi maybe you can help I am going to setup a 55gallon with a tidal 110 and a tidal 75 I’m going to use one of them for a full cycle filter (very slow flow) with the 5lbs of bio home media and sponges Should I put them both in the middle or on opposite ends 🤷🙏✌️🇨🇦
It may not matter too much if one is set to be very low flow but ideally they would be away from each other. The full flow filter will move the water around the tank and integrate the water from the other filter no problem. Due to the way HOB filters spread the flow upon return to the tank it's never going to stir much up from the bottom of the tank like a canister filter outlet or wave maker can do.
Ideally the intake would be in the back corner under the outlet but the outlet flow direction would be altered to see what happens with the muck and where it goes. When setting up a new tank these gel filter balls are perfect since they show where exactly the flow goes and have the benefit of seeding the tank with good bacteria. For a corner tank the flow direction from the filter would be altered until the flow across the front of the tank (the bowed long side) would either go left to right or right to left - that will allow the sides of shoaling fish to be viewed instead of looking at their backsides if the flow was from the back corner to the middle of the front side. Structure will affect flow so just experiment until you find something which works best for you - there is no 'right' answer since every tank is different.
What if you have a filter flow shooting form one corner to the other diagonally? I use an internal canister, Sicce Shark 600. What would be the ideal positions, its a triangle layout (raised on the right side of the tank).
There is no way to say 100% which direction for the outlet of an internal filter would be best since every tank is set up different - therefore just experiment with whatever works best for you.
What happens if your outlet is 1/4from right side but aimed to the right wall so the flow kinda hits just off front left corner on right wall where does it go from there i am curious
I'm normally good at visualizing things but I can't wrap my head around 'the flow kinda hits off the front left corner of the right wall', lol I'd just say set the outlet up and see where the muck collects - if you're not happy with that try it pointing somewhere else and repeat until you get something you're happy with.
180 60 60 öçlülerindeki akvaryumumda 2 adet Oase Biomaster Thermo 850 dış filtre kullanıyorum. 1 tanesi sağ arka köşeden diğeri ise sol arka köşeden emiş yapıyor. Çıkışlarıda aynı köşelerden. Acaba doğru mu yapıyorum?
Bu bana iyi geliyor - filtre girişleri ve girişleri çamuru çektiği ve döküntüyü tankın içinde hareket ettirdiği sürece her şey yolunda. Suyun 0 amonyak, 0 nitrit ve çok düşük nitrat olarak test edilmesi gerektiğinden su testi, filtrelerin düzgün çalışıp çalışmadığını size bildirecektir.
So what happens if you have a lid on your tank and only have cut outs on back. Can you have them together in one cut out. Or would it be best to rig up some tubing , so the outflow is closer to the front side of tank???
Hola 👋 en el caso de poner dos canisters como sería ? Todo en un mismo lado o un canister en cada extremo? Y la dirección de las salidas para generar una buena circulación del agua como debería ponerse ? Gracias
Si tiene varios filtros funcionando en el tanque, suele ser mejor experimentar con la ubicación de las entradas y salidas. Una vez que encuentres algo que funcione para ti, todo estará bien. Dado que cada tanque es diferente y tiene una estructura diferente, nunca existe una manera perfecta de asesorar, por lo que la experimentación es clave para el éxito. Mucha suerte con el tanque.
You will get a very good cyclical motion along the length of the tank when using a spray bar but the much won't necessarily be pushed to where the intake is for the filter. As long as you're happy with the set up it's all good since the water moving well is more important than what direction it moves.
They are the Evolution Aqua Pure Pond gel filter starter balls. That's what I give away with the Biohome filter media on the FilterPro site since they are a great way to naturally seed the filter media.
@@JustinKraft Anything which is neutrally buoyant and small enough will do but the only other thing which springs to mind is K1 micro filter media but it will float for weeks until it builds up a bacterial slime and become neutral to move properly in a water flow.
@@JustinKraft You don't really need anything to see where the muck collects - just set the tank up and change the flow direction every day or so until there are minimal dead spots.
Just experiment and see what works best - every tank is different and as soon as it has decent structure / plants added the movement of water will be different.
Biohome filter media and foams: www.filterpro.co.uk
Here we go. This is a video showing why the inlet and outlet of a canister filter should be on the same end of the tank.
When you see the muck (simulated by neutral buoyancy gel filter balls) being shifted to the same side of the tank as the outlet there really should be no argument about where to locate the outlet and intake of any canister filter.
However, I'd still expect people to argue over the placement of both the outlet and the intake - that's just how the internet is ....
For a thinking mind, when you see exactly where the muck goes in a water current the choice of where to locate the intake and the outlet of a canister filter becomes obvious.
Unfortunately there are still many 'experts' making videos online who ignore any sort of common sense who say that the intake and outlet should be on opposite sides - that is wrong as this video clearly shows.
If you found any sort of value in this video please feel free to share it anywhere online - the visuals don't lie.
Check out the FilterPro website here for the best filter media available: www.filterpro.co.uk
Also, if you're interested in learning more about filtration, water conditioners and how to create a set up which is low maintenance with perfect water check out the FilterPro Q&A page here: www.filterpro.co.uk/qa-24-w.asp
*SUPPLEMENTAL:* Avoid using any water conditioners which claim to 'remove / detoxify or bind' the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate since they will starve the bacteria which are needed to process the ammonia, nitrate and nitrate. It is quite obvious.
Go for a normal conditioner like API Stress Coat geni.us/BHYeb which will simply make the water safe for life.
I have been keeping fish for ages and always thought that keeping in &out flow on the same side would not be the best results for many reasons. I have learned something new today. That is a perfect illustration. Bravo!!!!
Good one - I'm glad the video was useful for you as I make them to help people - thanks for watching.
Fluval obviously know this as on all their shaker and Siena tanks the inlet and outlet are on the same side, obviously they have done their homework, yet still people slate them for the way their tanks are setup and this proves that fluval are correct, great explanation.
No matter how well something is set up there will be people arguing over it, lol
Not to mention Vicenza/Venezia and Roma 240.
Excellent demonstration, also having both inlet and outlet in the same place should increase the flow rate and save energy at the same time because the outlet pipe in not starched out at the other end. Less drag to push the water out
Good one - I'm glad that you have it set up well. Thanks for watching and best of luck with the tank.
Still the best for sound advice thank you for continuing to upload you are truly a GURU.
I'm glad you found the video useful - thanks for watching.
This have always been quite intuitive to me.
The filter outlet create surface agitation and oxygenate the tank, then reach the far wall, where the water have to go down and then stream along the bottom, sweeping the muck with it in the process.
Only the lightest bits will follow the upward stream at the filter end of the tank and follow along for another lap around the tank.
It was very helpful to see how the mid setting of the filter gathered less muck around the end of the decorations though, I have never thought about that!
Yes that is very true about the large bits of muck and uneaten food and I over-sized the pump (and 'muck' represented by the balls) to make the visual representation more noticeable.
I'm glad you found the video useful and thanks for the report on your tank.
This is perfectly timed for me before setup and the balls help explain and show it thanks so much!
Groovy - glad to help.
Brilliant visual. I landed on that same side I/O setup a couple years ago after considerable trial and error. Cheers!
Nice one - I'm glad the video helped.
Thanks Richard,I've just moved my inlet over to the same side,great video mate👌👍
Groovy - hopefully that will work better for you but keep experimenting until you find the perfect set up for your tank - every tank is different.
Great advice. I have one large internal filter at one end of my tank and I found that when syphoning gunk off the top of my substrate there is always a saturation of muck right under the filter, proving the point you make. Thanks for sharing.
Nice one - thanks for the report and confirmation.
Wow, that was super helpful! I currently have my setup on the same side similar to this demonstration but when I get home I'm going to be moving the outlet closer to the center instead of the corner.
Nice one - I'm glad the video was useful and whatever works for you is the best set up.
A+ example! I have a 55 gallon and was worried about my placement. This 100% makes me confident in my choice.
No worries and although every tank is different, in general terms the intake and exit pipes would be on the same end. Water naturally gravitates toward the point of extraction.
Fantastic video! For years I had my Eheim canister set up wrong, with the output and input on opposite sides of the aquarium. I finally discovered (after watching several videos) that they need to be on the same side. It's really rather counterintuitive in my opinion.
On my central filtered rack system, my intakes are at the surface and the output near the bottom. The reason is that I need surface skimming, and good flow at the bottom to prevent algae buildup.
I'm glad you found the video useful and thanks for the comment - it's a great example of how there is never a definitive 'right' way to do anything and experimentation is key since every tank is different.
Unfortunately many people are afraid to experiment which is something I've always found strange, lol
@@pondguru Which demonstrates why fishkeeping is an art and not a science
@@FrugalFishkeeping Yup. Whenever science gets involved in Nature it makes an arse of it.
@@pondguru I think that is a topic for a different channel. I do find myself constantly making "improvements" to my aquariums in a constant quest for success. Every time I think everything is fine, I find a way to make it even better. Or solve a problem. That's what makes the hobby so interesting.
Great video,I first had my outflow against the back wall. I moved it to the side and no more blind spots. Also my beard algae is completely gone. Really recommended against the side wall.
That is a great report so thanks for that comment. Every tank is different but there is always a 'best direction' for the flow in every tank.
Excellent video. Just what I needed. Totally relatable mate. Thanks 👌
No worries and I'm I'm glad the video helped you.
Rich, that really is a brilliant video. Such a good way of showing and proving this to everybody, and can be a game changer too for many tanks. Good to see you again buddy 👌
No worries and I've been planning to do this video for a while but with limited time it took a while.
I forgot to include a rotating outlet since I couldn't find it when I had a quick look when setting the tank up then forgot about it. If I find it I will make another video specifically for that.
@@pondguru hi mate, I am just watching the latest video from this channel called *That Is Impossible ", and a three second clip from one of your videos is on there...... take a look. It's at 23.33. Realised it as one I've watched in the past
@@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR Without knowing what the video is called I could spend all day looking for it on the channel, lol
I didn't realize that I'd ever made anything interesting enough to be used for that channel but I'll take it as a compliment - all the videos on this channel are free to use so anyone can use anything from them with no worries about copyright.
@@pondguru it's the latest one they uploaded around 7 hrs ago. I know people can use your work but just thought I'd let you know, as I was surprised to recognise you on there
@@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR Nice one - yes, I just seen it and that is cool. The video maker gives people props for the clips he uses too which is nice to see.
Best proof of where to put inlet I've seen.
I'm glad you found the video useful - thanks for watching.
Great visual, something which I've thought about since the day I set up my tank.
I opted to go for opposite ends for 2 reasons:
1. My tank has a brace and the gaps don't allow for both the inlet and outlet to fit on one side of the tank
2. I have a heavily planted aquarium with two big structures so potentially opposite ends may work better in this scenario
Initially there was some muck in the middle of tank, but I positioned the inlet to hit straight forwards towards the front panel and now I have no muck on the substrate at all so my current set up is working.
Yes 100% - just alter the direction of flow until it works for you. Every tank is different and plants / structure makes the flow go in unexpected directions so experimentation is key.
Brilliant video demonstration! Thank you.
No worries and I'm glad you appreciated the video as I put them out to help. Thanks for watching.
Fantastic information and clearly demonstrated. Keep it coming sir
No worries and I'm glad you found the video useful - thanks for watching.
Great video as usual.. thanks pondguru. I would really appreciate if you could also demonstrate the same, but this time with wave maker in the loop. I find it really useful for most of the tanks for surface agitation and sand skimming, specially in highly stocked aquariums.
(my other channel) I have a rotating outlet which I will be doing a video on tonight and it is very disappointing compared to a normal outlet. I was shocked when I saw how inefficient it was.
Great explanation as always Richard and spot on
No worries and I'm glad you found it useful.
So simple when you see it
Thanks again
Fantastic video! Knowlegeable, visual, top top top
No worries and I'm glad you found it useful.
I have my Sicce Whale set up with the intake and outlet on the same end of the tank. Not because I thought it was optimal... but because I was forced to place the cannister beside the tank. Happy accident that my setup is apparently most effective!
Good one - best of luck with the tank.
I'm a fish, and I approve this setup.
Awesome, you have sense, lol
🤔👍🏽 Excellent video. Very good visual, thank you 🙏🏽
I'm glad you found it useful - thanks for watching.
I need some movement, but most of my critters prefer dead spots, so it's nice to have the visual to see where to adjust it from time to time to clear out the muck from the dead zones, as well as not blasting my plants into oblivion. =p
I'm setting up a 75g, so this is very helpful!
I'm glad you found it useful and ultimately whatever works best for you is the best set up so play around with the intake / outlet until it works best for your tank.
Amazing! So glad I watched this!!
No worries and I'm glad you found the video useful.
Thanks just change my tank this was very helpful.
No worries and I'm glad you found the video useful.
I also saw that you should place them on opposite ends or together in the corner. The tank was always dirty in the opposite end of the tank. After watching your video, I changed them to the side like you showed and now the tank is clean. Great video.
That sounds good to me and I'm glad you found something useful in the video - thanks for watching and best of luck with the tank.
I've got an old hydor rotating outlet which seems to have the best all round water movement as there are no dead spots. It also seems to make the fish a lot less stressed and swim around more naturally. I've tried every other possible outlet type possible. Filter: Oase biomaster 250 on a 112L tank. Inlet JBL Top Clean
Aaaarrrgghhhh......a rotating outlet is something I forgot to add to this demonstration. I have a spinstream fitting and I couldn't find it while setting up this tank then I forgot about it.
I'll have a better look for it today and make another video if I can find it.
Thanks for the reminder - my memory is terrible so I've written down 'look for rotating outlet' and pinned the note to the wall in my office, lol
Fantastic video 👍✌️🇨🇦
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That's why I use wavemakers😉👍👍👍
Yes, they do a great job when mounted low down in the tank.
Great video. Interested to know your suggestion on how the inlets and outlets will be placed if using the filters like hypermax4500 which has two inlets and two outlets?
As long as you have the inlets / outlets either at opposing sides or a side which will generate the best flow of water and muck depending on the structure in the tank its all good - there is never a perfect way to set up any tank since every tank is different.
Just experiment with the inlets and outlets until you get the best pet up for your tank.
Good job. Thank you very much.
No worries and I'm glad the video was useful - thanks for watching.
Brilliant and simple and may i add if you place your heater under your intake that should spread the warm water out to the cooler areas ?
To be honest the flow around a tank will spread the heat around quite nicely so the positioning of the heater isn't too important.
Good stuff thanks
No worries and I'm glad you found the video useful.
What a great explanation, most tanks I’ve seen have the built in holes for inlet and outlet making options limited….the industry needs to change a guess. On a personal note, I’m looking at moving my 250lt tank outside (its acrylic not glass), encasing it in decking material. Like a mini outside pond/ container. While I’m sure it will be fine, I’m also looking at housing my Fluval FX6 along with it, again it would be encased in the same structure as the tank (decking). If you can imagine a tank housed in decking with a small but connected bump out to contain the FX6 (that will form a seat). Good idea or not? Do you think the FX6 will survive outside? I’m thinking or packing around the FX6 with insulation.
As long as the water did not freeze it would be fine since there is almost no difference between a canister filter and a small pond pressure filter.
If it was ever turned off it would be best to drain the pipes and filter if there was a risk of frost but other than that it sounds no problem to me.
Thinking of getting back into Fish keeping, just seen this and my jaw is on the floor. Such a simple demonstration that will make such a difference. Do you think it would be worth trying this when you have furniture in the tank before planting up?
Yes you can try it at any stage but ideally before adding the fish. Adding any structure will divert the flow and adding plants will diffuse the flow but generally water will gravitate toward the intake.
Good visualization. How would you set up two canister filters? Because I actually use two Fluval FX6 on one tank, and one FX6 + one Biomaster 850 on another tank. For the moment they are all set-up opposite of each other with their individual inputs + outputs together on one side. One output flows horizontally towards the other side, the second output on the other side flows towards the frontside of the aquarium.
That sounds like a good option if you have 2 filters.
I have two outlets/inlets (Aquael Hypermax 4500). I have both inlets (the water being taken into the filter) at the back wall at either end.
The outlets are at the front of the tank at either end. My thinking was that the flow from each end meets in the middle and creates movement.
Not sure if it's the best placement and to complicate things further I still have the Juwel internal filter running. Lots of filtration for lots of Mbuna!
I also have two wave makers to help move the crap around. One at the back corner facing down behind the rockwork. And one at the front facing the surface. But I only run them twice a day for an hour or two. They don't need to live in a washing machine 24/7. 😂
If you have the option of 2 inlets and 2 outlets then it becomes a bit easier - have 1 x inlet and 1 x outlet at each side of the tank and you will never have a problem removing the muck from the tank.
@@pondguru that's the exact way I have mine set up, that I won from your give away competition. I was going to ask you what would be best in this case, but you have answered it here , so I did good 😊
@@pondguruI fully agree and support your point 👍
See, that feels counter-intuitive, and I would've positioned them on opposite sides too. I've just bought a canister for my new tank, so I'm very glad to've seen this before I set it up.
But it makes absolute sense when you look at how any Hang on the back or internal filters are designed. The outlet is always at the top and the inlet is much lower on the same side.
Great information mine is set up this way, do you have the Deus 2 yet used to follow your detecting videos with great interest.
Since I hunt mostly pasture I've always liked the slower hunting and deeper accuracy of the ID's given by the Minelab machines so my go-to is still the 3030.
However, the Deus 2 does look very good and if it could replicate that clean sweet silver sound of the Minelab machines it would be a contender.
When I get that sweet sound in my ears it is like angels singing, lol
I just got the aquael hypermax per your advice. Since there's two outlets and inlets I'm trying to figure out where to face the outlets. Maybe they need to go the same direction?
Just experiment with the set up until you have no more dead spots. Depending on the structure in the tank the muck will settle wherever the flow is slowest.
There is never a definitive right and wrong place to site the intake(s) and outlet(s) which is why experimentation is key to getting things right for your tank.
Best of luck.
Hi Pondguru! Appreciate your efforts. The demonstration would have made more sense if you would have done it with a canister filter than an internal filter.
Unfortunately, the flow from the canister outlet is of less pressure than the one of this internal filter.
The flow issue is why I used an internal pump and not a canister filter - I needed the gel balls to move well in the flow so I had to oversize the pump to get that effect which looked good in the video.
The balls representing muck and uneaten food are way bigger than what would be found in a normal set up too but that was also done for better visuals.
Hi. it's depends what setup is in the tank. I have 250 litter tank with utramax 2000. never have a problem with muk or dirt. if you had external filter 3 times bigger then you need for your tank. it does work perfectly. over filtration not exist.
@@tomaszmichalczyk3425 (my other channel) Yup, that is true.
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I'm glad you found the video useful - thanks for watching.
So I have a Hypermax Link (2 inlets and 2 outlets) and an Ecotech MP40 wave maker
I have an inlet on each side of the tank and and outlet on the back left facing right and the second inlet is half way along the back of the tank facing right as well (the wave make is on the left hand side about 4 inches from the top of the tank on the left hand pane of glass pushing water to the right in the same direction.
Would you suggest to set it up differently or good as it is ?
Every tank is different and as long as the muck is being swept towards the intake of the pump / canister intake it's all good. There's definitely no definitive 'right' way to set up the intake / outlets when there are multiples so whatever works for you is the best way.
This is really cool, what about having an air stone positioned in the tank?
Ideally the air stone would be located at the opposite end to the intake. That gives the bubbles plenty of time to rise up to the surface and not get drawn into the intake.
Hi I currently have the inlet and outlet on different sides like u say not to but I have a wave maker on same side as outlet pointing towards top to make water movement and recirculate the water better will it be ok to move the inlet underneath the wavemaker cheers
Well that sounds good to me. Having extra water movement further down in the tank will really stir the muck up.
The intake for the canister would just be wherever the muck was collecting.
I appreciate what you've demonstrated but unless you have a peninsula tank most people won't want an output and intake on the side glass. Most people have them on the back at either opposite sides or them both on one side shooting the water diagonally but still creating a similar but probably not as effective semi circular flow. I wish you would have demonstrated those two options to show for the majority of people who wont position their outlets on the side glass of their tank.
There are so many possible set ups for intake and outlet and ultimately the 'best' set up is whatever works for you - just experiment and see what is best for your tank since every tank is different.
@@pondguru no i get what you are saying, it would have been nice to see how the water flow differed from most peoples standard installation in how you demonstrated,
Nice,nice,nice
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When we have 2 external filters than? Both inlet in one side and each outlet at both ends or still you recommend both outlets near the inlets?
As long as you have the inlets / outlets either at opposing sides or a side which will generate the best flow of water and muck depending on the structure in the tank its all good - there is never a perfect way to set up any tank since every tank is different.
Just experiment with the inlets and outlets until you get the best pet up for your tank.
I’m guessing if you have 2 canister filters running you’d still just keep 1 inlet and outlet at either side? Or would you move both to the middle.
I say that not sure how that would work on my fx6 right enough
If you have 2 filters running you can switch it up until you get the best results. Since every tank is different thee is no definitive way to set the filter inlets / outlets up, especially if you have multiple filters on the tank.
What works best for you is the best set up.
Hi maybe you can help I am going to setup a 55gallon with a tidal 110 and a tidal 75 I’m going to use one of them for a full cycle filter (very slow flow) with the 5lbs of bio home media and sponges
Should I put them both in the middle or on opposite ends 🤷🙏✌️🇨🇦
It may not matter too much if one is set to be very low flow but ideally they would be away from each other. The full flow filter will move the water around the tank and integrate the water from the other filter no problem.
Due to the way HOB filters spread the flow upon return to the tank it's never going to stir much up from the bottom of the tank like a canister filter outlet or wave maker can do.
@@pondguru thank you very much 👍✌️🇨🇦
Great video. However i have a 350 uk litre corner tank where does input and output go on this
Good question
Ideally the intake would be in the back corner under the outlet but the outlet flow direction would be altered to see what happens with the muck and where it goes.
When setting up a new tank these gel filter balls are perfect since they show where exactly the flow goes and have the benefit of seeding the tank with good bacteria.
For a corner tank the flow direction from the filter would be altered until the flow across the front of the tank (the bowed long side) would either go left to right or right to left - that will allow the sides of shoaling fish to be viewed instead of looking at their backsides if the flow was from the back corner to the middle of the front side.
Structure will affect flow so just experiment until you find something which works best for you - there is no 'right' answer since every tank is different.
What if you have a filter flow shooting form one corner to the other diagonally? I use an internal canister, Sicce Shark 600. What would be the ideal positions, its a triangle layout (raised on the right side of the tank).
There is no way to say 100% which direction for the outlet of an internal filter would be best since every tank is set up different - therefore just experiment with whatever works best for you.
What happens if your outlet is 1/4from right side but aimed to the right wall so the flow kinda hits just off front left corner on right wall where does it go from there i am curious
I'm normally good at visualizing things but I can't wrap my head around 'the flow kinda hits off the front left corner of the right wall', lol
I'd just say set the outlet up and see where the muck collects - if you're not happy with that try it pointing somewhere else and repeat until you get something you're happy with.
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180 60 60 öçlülerindeki akvaryumumda 2 adet Oase Biomaster Thermo 850 dış filtre kullanıyorum. 1 tanesi sağ arka köşeden diğeri ise sol arka köşeden emiş yapıyor. Çıkışlarıda aynı köşelerden. Acaba doğru mu yapıyorum?
Bu bana iyi geliyor - filtre girişleri ve girişleri çamuru çektiği ve döküntüyü tankın içinde hareket ettirdiği sürece her şey yolunda.
Suyun 0 amonyak, 0 nitrit ve çok düşük nitrat olarak test edilmesi gerektiğinden su testi, filtrelerin düzgün çalışıp çalışmadığını size bildirecektir.
I use a spray bar on outlet where would you suggest the inlet to be when using one of these?? Thanks
On the same end as the intake - my last video showed a spray bar in that very set up.
So what happens if you have a lid on your tank and only have cut outs on back. Can you have them together in one cut out. Or would it be best to rig up some tubing , so the outflow is closer to the front side of tank???
Ideally the in and out would be on the back of the tank and it is no problem having the in and out through one cut out.
Hola 👋 en el caso de poner dos canisters como sería ? Todo en un mismo lado o un canister en cada extremo? Y la dirección de las salidas para generar una buena circulación del agua como debería ponerse ? Gracias
Si tiene varios filtros funcionando en el tanque, suele ser mejor experimentar con la ubicación de las entradas y salidas.
Una vez que encuentres algo que funcione para ti, todo estará bien.
Dado que cada tanque es diferente y tiene una estructura diferente, nunca existe una manera perfecta de asesorar, por lo que la experimentación es clave para el éxito.
Mucha suerte con el tanque.
Can you do one for spray bars please.
I'm jut editing that video now and it's probably better than this video here, lol
My intake is in a corner and the outlet is a spray bar the length of the tank . Hopefully that's okay.
You will get a very good cyclical motion along the length of the tank when using a spray bar but the much won't necessarily be pushed to where the intake is for the filter.
As long as you're happy with the set up it's all good since the water moving well is more important than what direction it moves.
Would this be the same with a spray bar?
I see you've found the spray bar video as you commented there after posting this comment.
For a bare bottom tank that’s a good simulation but often the real tank isn’t like that
Yes, that's why I added structure and mentioned that adding any structure and plants will divert / diffuse the water flow and alter the flow pattern.
I have a juwel 350 and have no choice but to put the intake at the opposite side due to the cutouts.
Whatever works is good enough and as soon as you introduce structure and plants into the aquarium the flow changes anyway so don't worry about it.
Where do i get somw of those floating balls
They are the Evolution Aqua Pure Pond gel filter starter balls. That's what I give away with the Biohome filter media on the FilterPro site since they are a great way to naturally seed the filter media.
@@pondguru o geez those look pricy for a test in my 35l tank. Is there anything else I might be able to use
@@JustinKraft Anything which is neutrally buoyant and small enough will do but the only other thing which springs to mind is K1 micro filter media but it will float for weeks until it builds up a bacterial slime and become neutral to move properly in a water flow.
@@JustinKraft You don't really need anything to see where the muck collects - just set the tank up and change the flow direction every day or so until there are minimal dead spots.
What if someone has two canister filters?
Just experiment and see what works best - every tank is different and as soon as it has decent structure / plants added the movement of water will be different.
Thank you
No worries and thanks for watching.
Excellent information.
I'm glad you found it useful - thanks for watching.
@@pondguru You're welcome.