Here's the rub: I'm a millennial. My father was a boomer. The boomers, many of them, lived lives in which the father was the breadwinner. And being a breadwinner often, in fact, means being LESS involved in the child's lives than the caretaker. And 50% of those marriages ended in divorce. So the idea that male breadwinners or fatherly involvement or traditional gender roles is somehow the root cause(s) is, to me, fallacious. (incidentally, my father's father, a Greek man of the Greatest Generation, was almost totally uninvolved in his children's lives, he beat them and screamed at them, and they all suffered from firsthand or vicarious alcoholism as a result. Anecdotal, but still. Traditional values=>Male breadwinner=>LESS involvement=>MORE disfunction, not less.) It is true that feminism and various other liberation movements resulted in certain complications related to how to talk and how to interpret one's male role in the world. But the problem is not that men are, in fact, oppressed. It's that male role models who meaningfully, sincerely, and actionably embody modern values of equality are basically nonexistent. Far more than that, you have hypermasculine hunter-type would-be alpha Chad asshole grifters selling young men a vision of manhood that is completely emotionally driven ie regressive/traditionalist, chauvinist, entitled, and ultimately misogynistic and anti-feminist. So while it would be nice to think that men being breadwinners again would solve the problem, just look at the men in my family. Dad dead at 54 from cancer, divorced because of his violent temper. Uncle nick, divorced, dead at 66 from cirhossis of the liver after a lifetime of alcoholism. And Harry, divorced, dead at 72, lifetime smoker, drinker, red meat eater, and also racist rightwinger. What did traditional gender roles get them? Or being breadwinners? Or having a breadwinner father? Early graves, that's what. The problems was not their roles, but the speciousness of the values that informed those roles. So yeah. "subscribe to the channel and thanks for watching!" 😅
I very much agree with you. Men have shitty role models these days that a lot of the time push a bunch of garbage onto them that does more harm than good.
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I don't think the answer is going back to the old days where men were the sole breadwinner. Pretty archaic thinking.
Men need to quit blaming all their problems on women -- mothers, teachers, girlfriends, wives.
Here's the rub: I'm a millennial. My father was a boomer. The boomers, many of them, lived lives in which the father was the breadwinner. And being a breadwinner often, in fact, means being LESS involved in the child's lives than the caretaker. And 50% of those marriages ended in divorce.
So the idea that male breadwinners or fatherly involvement or traditional gender roles is somehow the root cause(s) is, to me, fallacious.
(incidentally, my father's father, a Greek man of the Greatest Generation, was almost totally uninvolved in his children's lives, he beat them and screamed at them, and they all suffered from firsthand or vicarious alcoholism as a result. Anecdotal, but still. Traditional values=>Male breadwinner=>LESS involvement=>MORE disfunction, not less.)
It is true that feminism and various other liberation movements resulted in certain complications related to how to talk and how to interpret one's male role in the world. But the problem is not that men are, in fact, oppressed. It's that male role models who meaningfully, sincerely, and actionably embody modern values of equality are basically nonexistent. Far more than that, you have hypermasculine hunter-type would-be alpha Chad asshole grifters selling young men a vision of manhood that is completely emotionally driven ie regressive/traditionalist, chauvinist, entitled, and ultimately misogynistic and anti-feminist.
So while it would be nice to think that men being breadwinners again would solve the problem, just look at the men in my family. Dad dead at 54 from cancer, divorced because of his violent temper. Uncle nick, divorced, dead at 66 from cirhossis of the liver after a lifetime of alcoholism. And Harry, divorced, dead at 72, lifetime smoker, drinker, red meat eater, and also racist rightwinger. What did traditional gender roles get them? Or being breadwinners? Or having a breadwinner father? Early graves, that's what.
The problems was not their roles, but the speciousness of the values that informed those roles.
So yeah. "subscribe to the channel and thanks for watching!" 😅
I very much agree with you. Men have shitty role models these days that a lot of the time push a bunch of garbage onto them that does more harm than good.
@@gnomishviking3013 amen to that
Easy no girlfriends, no wives, no kids, no respect. No reason. Most know that won't have a good life so they stop trying.