Summer: Gay Life as Seen on 1970's TV

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  • Опубликовано: 28 окт 2024

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  • @JNeil1975
    @JNeil1975 3 года назад +70

    Our community today has to remember, those who lived during these times paved the way for us and suffered a lot. We owe them heaps of thanks and appreciation.

  • @buckaroo2019
    @buckaroo2019 4 года назад +24

    As someone who was a kid in the 70's and remembers a lot of these shows and actors, this is amazing. I had no idea there were so many gay characters on TV then. But I do remember That Certain Summer with Hal Holbrook. Even that scene where he sees the male couple traipsing over the bridge. Very cool vid!

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  4 года назад +3

      Thank you so much! I'm coming to these TV shows from a different place, as someone who was born in 1985 but has a lot of interest in 70s TV and pop culture. I'm curious, do you remember if people were shocked by That Certain Summer, or did most people take it in stride?

    • @cross75man75
      @cross75man75 3 года назад +3

      @@garrideb I remember that at least in my household it was consider shocking and as kids we where not allowed to watch certain of these show based on the subject matter.

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +2

      @@cross75man75 I'm glad things have (somewhat, in many places) improved.

    • @CH67guy1
      @CH67guy1 3 года назад +1

      The bridge. 1972 I visited San Francisco for the first time. I walked over that bridge. It’s in Golden Gate Park. The Japanese Tea Garden. I was five years old.

    • @tonyallen6510
      @tonyallen6510 2 года назад

      I remember that movie you don't see it much on TV why?

  • @Jocular64
    @Jocular64 3 года назад +11

    Wow! A superb compilation! I was too young to stay up and watch any of these early 70s episodes, except, maybe Room 222. I love Lois Nettleton!

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +2

      Thank you!

    • @gingerdavis8071
      @gingerdavis8071 2 года назад +4

      Lois Nettleton played a lesbian who rhad ecently lost her partner on an episode of Golden Girls. She fell for Rose. Great actress. She gave a terrific performance in the Midnight Sun.

    • @MVR326
      @MVR326 2 года назад +2

      Lois Nettleton also gave a very poignant performance as a gay woman on an episode of The Golden Girls

    • @melreslor2114
      @melreslor2114 2 года назад

      @@gingerdavis8071 Nettleton is one of the best guest stars of 60s 70s tv. Was in Midnight Sun on the original Twilight Zone and a bit part in another episode "the old man in the cave" of post-nuclear days. Lois was in a Kung Fu episode and was one of the rare girlfriend/lovers of Lou Grant on the Mary Tyler Moore Show and the only one that was also his boss. It surprised Mary and Rhoda, they kept saying "Lou?, that Lou??"

  • @anonymousanon3055
    @anonymousanon3055 4 года назад +18

    Oh this was amazing, and an emotional ride. I love the start with the bold self decleration, I think thats just a great choice. Thanks for making and sharing!

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  4 года назад

      Thank you, Cat! It was fun to find similar moments from multiple shows and string them together like that.

  • @patois12
    @patois12 3 года назад +15

    Oh, the drama! Made even more dramatic by the overwhelming soundtrack.
    I was in high school in the 70's, and homosexuality was just not even in our thoughts. Since the mainstreaming of it as time went on until now, and realizing how many people are gay I think we all realize that there must have been LGBTQ in school and among our friends, and they just hid it. Because we never knew anyone who was. It's crazy to think about now, and try to guess who may have been, but we couldn't/I can't even now. I look back to that time and feel sad for any of the people I knew then who felt that they had to hide who they were.

    • @ShamrockParticle
      @ShamrockParticle 2 года назад +3

      Good points, all.
      And the soundtrack volume is way too loud. Maybr unnecessary too: The clips themselves are dramatically strong and genuine enough to not need the overwhelming soundtrack.

    • @paulppchristman5827
      @paulppchristman5827 2 года назад +2

      Hell, in the late seventies although I hadn't come out yet, I knew instinctively who ALL the closet cases on the varsity sports teams were. About two years after graduation I ran into one of 'em at a popular downtown gay dance club. He tried to tell me that HE wasn't gay "at all" and that he was there with some friends. He'd been standing by himself for at least a half hour and hadn't noticed me 'til I walked over to 'im.

  • @erichamilton3373
    @erichamilton3373 3 года назад +71

    This may seem cheesy and silly to younger audiences now...but the attitude shown in these 70s clips was progressive and sympathetic for those times when a lot of "regular" people could still beat you up, openly use slurs, basically make your life very miserable.

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +5

      Thank you for sharing! I wasn't born until 1985, so although I don't have all of the context for these episodes, I agree that their portrayals of gay characters are progressive and sympathetic, even as they're also flawed and of the times.

    • @Oreo-vh7rk
      @Oreo-vh7rk 3 года назад +13

      Im born in the year 2000 and I don't find this cheesy or silly, Im just surprised and kinda proud that homosexual characters existed in the big screen back then.

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +7

      @@Oreo-vh7rk Thanks for sharing a 21 year old's perspective. I'm glad you don't find it cheesy!

    • @Desibeatnik
      @Desibeatnik 3 года назад +9

      @@garrideb wow I came out in 1985. I was 16 in a small midwestern town. It was only to my friends at first but I was also a POC and a punk/goth during the satanic panic so I had a lot to deal with until I could move to a larger city.

    • @dimon10033
      @dimon10033 3 года назад +3

      @@garrideb Actually these gay characters from the 1970's look more sympathetic, intelligent, and sophisticated to me than the real homosexuals (I am talking about men only, I do not know any lesbians personally) I meet these days.

  • @kibblemom
    @kibblemom 3 года назад +12

    Excellent video! Shows like these probably helped a lot with coming to accept my own sexuality. There were no role models that were readily accessible to the general public and no people in my personal life that I could talk to about this. Thanks for putting this together!

  • @frankrossi6972
    @frankrossi6972 3 года назад +10

    True, '70s dramas were more sensitive than sitcoms, but some sitcoms, like "Alice," "All in the Family," "Maude," "The Jeffersons," "Bob Newhart," " Mary Tyler Moore" and others actually had thought-provoking episodes, unlike the kooky-plot-device approaches of "Three's Company" or "Too Close for Comfort." Looks like ABC and NBC would rather just go for cheap laughs at the time

    • @ShamrockParticle
      @ShamrockParticle 2 года назад +1

      Three's Company is no worse than The Big Bang Theory. Is there no room for both serious drama and kooky sitcoms that exist just to make audiences laugh and enjoy?

    • @frankrossi6972
      @frankrossi6972 2 года назад +1

      I'm not into PC strictures and despise when it infiltrates entertainment media, but even I noticed that "Big Bang Theory" was glaringly white and straight, and when gay culture was ever mentioned in any context, it usually was a comedic one, i.e., giggling at Raj and Howard for being like a married couple, or Leonard's shrink mom asking them about their "latent homosexuality," which made it sound like some illicit, deviant, shameful thing---closer to a'70s mentality than the new millennium.

  • @ted1091
    @ted1091 3 года назад +8

    Lois Nettleton was such a wonderful human being

  • @ameliabowman3094
    @ameliabowman3094 3 года назад +12

    This deserves more views

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +1

      Thank you!

    • @sayitlikeitissee7530
      @sayitlikeitissee7530 3 года назад +1

      The haunting from 1963 was the best lesbian character ever
      Added to the suspence of the main character

  • @Sunny25611
    @Sunny25611 2 года назад +1

    As in all social issues, Hollywood breaks through the ceiling where politicians feared to tread. Thank you for uploading. ✌🏽

  • @kenlove1472
    @kenlove1472 3 года назад +16

    Well, the best that can be said is that in the 1970's . . . at least TV was willing to address the issue in as positive a way as they could. Right?

    • @scottmorrow9794
      @scottmorrow9794 3 года назад

      cornholing is not a positive thing silly

  • @werdlederdle
    @werdlederdle 2 года назад +3

    I feel for these poor characters. I want to scream ‘it gets better’. There was a great British tv series in the late 70s which treated a gay couple fairly well for the time. They were support cast but I found it touching. It was called Agony.

  • @markh9875
    @markh9875 3 года назад +8

    The loud music in the background is super. And fluous. Superfluous.

    • @Harley157d
      @Harley157d 3 года назад +2

      Yea, it's annoying

  • @cyndisanimaladventures6370
    @cyndisanimaladventures6370 2 года назад +2

    The actress in the blue top with pink, yellow and green flowers also played Dorothy's lesbian friend Jean on The Golden Girls

  • @ComeOnBunny
    @ComeOnBunny 4 года назад +7

    This was good thanks for making this.

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! I'm glad you liked it.

  • @davemattia
    @davemattia 3 года назад +6

    Lois Nettleton was cast twice as a lesbian -- in the 80s she was cast as Dorothy's friend who is in love with Rose.

    • @niceguy5976
      @niceguy5976 2 года назад

      Yes! Her character was named Jean and her partner Pat had recently passed away. Lesbian? I thought she was Lebanese, like Danny Thomas! ha ha

  • @sage4nowty129
    @sage4nowty129 2 года назад +2

    I thought I wouldn't like these clips but I do. Gay people have progressed since the 1970s, but you rarely see gay people on tv today. Any gay show, or sit-com that gets presented gets cancelled after only a few episodes. And also remember that the 1970s was just a few years after Stonewall, 1969.

    • @fretboardmaster70
      @fretboardmaster70 2 года назад +1

      It’s the total opposite situation on UK TV. Out and Gay TV celebrities hosting their own shows, has been common and frequent for a very long time.

  • @Argelius1
    @Argelius1 3 года назад +10

    This would have been so much better without the unnecessary “soundtrack”.

  • @laminage
    @laminage 3 года назад +2

    The Man at 0:42 also did the Voice of Piglet in Winnie The Pooh, Sexton in The Animated Version of Robin Hood and other Disney Movies. I think he also was in Trading Places.

    • @kittyprydekissme
      @kittyprydekissme 3 года назад +2

      He was John Fiedler, and he was in lots of stuff. He played Jack The Ripper on Star Trek!

  • @ShempBob
    @ShempBob 3 года назад +3

    Here I was expecting to laugh at this compilation for pulling out all the "sterotype" tropes but gotta say, I appreciate the earnestness of what was trying to be conveyed in all these scenes. Was a little rough around the edges (being it was the early mid 70s here) but well-intentioned to be sure.

  • @MVR326
    @MVR326 2 года назад +2

    ''You need a major transfusion of human compassion"! I need to file that away and use it if needed

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  2 года назад +1

      It's a good quote!

  • @cavejourney
    @cavejourney 3 года назад +9

    These were some of the rare positive portrayals. You left out comedies. Merely being gay was enough for the audience to laugh with disgust.

    • @robertwalsh5461
      @robertwalsh5461 3 года назад

      Archie Bunker, Fred Sanford even Sherman Hemsley made a lot of jokes and they were funny! I’m straight but not a bigot and they were funny.
      The same comical actors “ripped” just about every particular thing that could be construed as a trigger today.
      No need to make any big deal about it… just learn to laugh at yourselves if you can’t do that then you are the ones with the problems.
      In today’s world the only place where you won’t find better than equality, preferential treatment in fact over a straight guy/girl is at a fundamentalist Christian school. Everywhere else in the 1st world you have the edge in any job interview, military career, etc…

    • @cavejourney
      @cavejourney 3 года назад

      @@robertwalsh5461 I'm fine with jokes and make gay jokes myself. Sit coms of the 90s eventually did a lot to help the public accept gay people. I'm talking about the 1970s when all a comedy had to do was have a feminine man walk in the room - the mere existence of gays and that was enough to get a laugh. These were the times that people I know wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the suspected another customer there was gay. These are the times when gay bashing was common (I once got beat up 4 on 1 for the crime of leaving a gay bar). True things are much better now. For some jobs it might be an advantage but for others it is not. I know people that lie about their lifestyles in order to keep their jobs. I personally live a very privileged life and enjoy many of the perks of being gay. It's much more complex than you realize.

    • @robertwalsh5461
      @robertwalsh5461 3 года назад

      @@cavejourney I agree, and know I’ll never know the “all” of being gay open or not.
      I think it’s great for you that you can be open in this country (and most 1st world nations) too! This is extremely important, as it has finally become the nation where we are truly Kings (or Queens) in our own domain (read as home and land!) This is what the founders intended. God knows how many of them fancied other men but couldn’t say it!
      Like I eluded, I have heard gay jokes…laughed at many found some hateful and told a few. But unlike the disingenuous majority, I admit it! I don’t have any room in my life for hate but probably, like you, can get enough real gut busting laughter.
      A short tale that happens to be true…I took this fine lingerie/hair/face model type to go see a play (Orestes) on the north side of Chicago. The theater district happened to be next to the gay neighborhood.
      After a bottle of wine at the play we set off to walk to my car. I had dropped her off with the tickets at the marquee so she didn’t have to walk through a rough looking area but we decided she would be safe walking back to the car together. Our minds on each other, we took a shortcut and talked about a drink before the 40 mile drive back to the far west suburbs. We were coming up on a neon and both decided drinks, not reading it. We had walked into, we learned later…THE MAN HOLE! By the time we were in front of the bartender we finally figured out why everyone in there was a dude and everyone’s jaws were on the ground, all looking at us.
      We weren’t going to walk out like scared little mice…we ordered drinks! Started talking to guys on our right and left just like it was any other bar.
      The music was great, some guy with no shirt started dancing in front of me and my GF pushed me towards him…so I started dancing with him!
      We stayed for like a hour and had a blast! Everyone treated us great so I bought shots/drinks for half the bar.
      I have no idea if one guy or the entire bar started making jokes about the “breeders” after we left. Her and I took away a good memory.

    • @cavejourney
      @cavejourney 3 года назад +1

      @@robertwalsh5461 Cool story. Thank you for sharing. Cheers!

  • @Gregoir281962
    @Gregoir281962 3 года назад

    I remember most of these shows. I was a teenager during this time. But I don't recall any of these scenes. I was very closeted during the 70 and 80s. Most of the early 90s. It wasn't until ellen when I finally truly felt comfortable with who I am. The lingo during this time sure has evolved since back then.

  • @donnydonnybrook8131
    @donnydonnybrook8131 3 года назад +1

    If you seen one gay bar, you've seen them all...

  • @emilymalden3310
    @emilymalden3310 3 года назад +2

    I recall Sanford and Son , in addition to All In The Family dealt with gay issues. You have to wonder how The Waltons, Bradys, or Partridges would have. Family tackled it too.

    • @vulcan2882
      @vulcan2882 3 года назад +1

      Well Marsha was getting some from Alice. When I watched the re-runs of The Brady Bunch I thought older Peter was pretty cute, now he's just damn HOT.

    • @emilymalden3310
      @emilymalden3310 3 года назад

      @@vulcan2882 I don't think Alice was gay.

    • @vulcan2882
      @vulcan2882 3 года назад +4

      @@emilymalden3310 .. Ann B. Davis ( Alice ) was a lesbian

    • @amanwithnohands
      @amanwithnohands 3 года назад +2

      Grandpa Walton was gay in real life

    • @vulcan2882
      @vulcan2882 3 года назад +1

      @@amanwithnohands ... so was grandma Walton

  • @softwater88
    @softwater88 2 года назад

    Lois Nettleton played on an episode of The Golden Girls as a lesbian that had an interest in Rose Nyland/Betty White.
    Robert Walden was a lead on a Showtime original comedy series in the 1980's called Brothers. His character was straight.

  • @zouzoupelle
    @zouzoupelle 2 года назад

    OMG. Flashback! Woo-Hoo!! Thx.

  • @stephendavidbailey2743
    @stephendavidbailey2743 3 года назад +3

    I vividly remember That Certain Summer. I lost my virginity around that time.

    • @milart12
      @milart12 3 года назад

      Is it well done? I don't know if I buy Hal Holbrook and Martin Sheen as gay lovers.

    • @brt5273
      @brt5273 2 года назад

      ​@@milart12 It's more about the angst surrounding their relationship, mainly centered on tension with Holbrooks son, than their actual relationship. I don't remember any sort of romantic or tender scenes between them. I think maybe casting them that way was part of the plan. They were able to make a statement without critics believing that they might actually be gay.

  • @michaeltnewyorknights8413
    @michaeltnewyorknights8413 3 года назад +2

    What made you pick those particular clips?

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +4

      Interesting question, thanks for asking! After going through each episode and clipping the best moments where characters talk about being gay (or even rarer, scenes with gay visuals) there wasn't a ton of material. Sure, there were a few clips I didn't use due to the limits of time, but not a lot. Since I roughly arranged the clips by theme (a character telling another character they're gay, gay characters struggling with internalized homophobia, straight characters struggling with homophobia, straight characters claiming society should be "enlightened", etc..,) the ones that didn't make the cut were the ones that didn't fit a theme.

    • @michaeltnewyorknights8413
      @michaeltnewyorknights8413 3 года назад +2

      @@garrideb You had a specific vision which is admirable.

  • @hanschristianbrando5588
    @hanschristianbrando5588 2 года назад

    Someone needs to animated a Piglet scene using frequent Piglet voice John Fielder as he is heard here.

  • @Kur0y4m4
    @Kur0y4m4 2 года назад +1

    3:21 Martin Sheen getting a 45 year jump on Frankie & Grace?

  • @vulcan2882
    @vulcan2882 2 года назад

    The only show in the video I know of is Starsky & Hutch, the other ones I know nothing about. I have an uncle my mothers uncle who is gay too, he's in his 70s now. He told me when I came out to him I was lucky to be gay today and not when he was my age. He said back then people who were gay were sometimes locked up in a hospital or as he calls them .. the nut house. He told me about friends of his who were beaten to death and the police didn't do anything about and neither did the courts.

  • @usaskjock
    @usaskjock 3 года назад +1

    Really terrific montage well done

  • @addisonharris4255
    @addisonharris4255 7 месяцев назад

    Wow Donna Mills aka The Abby Ewing… fucking love her

  • @jenningsrountree8304
    @jenningsrountree8304 2 года назад

    My God! Angela Channing was checking out a gay bar! ... Well, she did date Caesar Romero.

  • @moonchart
    @moonchart 3 года назад +3

    Can we please have the list of shows?

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  3 года назад +4

      Sure! It's posted here:
      garrideb.dreamwidth.org/66040.html

  • @SerialBitBanger
    @SerialBitBanger 3 года назад +4

    Jean from the Golden Girls!

    • @bigjonstx
      @bigjonstx 3 года назад +2

      Jean and Danny Thomas.

    • @dannycarrington1601
      @dannycarrington1601 3 года назад +3

      @@bigjonstx I still don't have the heart to tell Rose that Danny Thomas is a lesbian.

  • @eddihaskell
    @eddihaskell 3 года назад

    No Paul Lynde?

  • @elliottbronstein1214
    @elliottbronstein1214 2 года назад

    What is the show at 0:42?

  • @milart12
    @milart12 3 года назад

    Hal Holbrook and Martin Sheen as gay lovers...That Certain Summer...Don't know if I buy that one.

    • @IHateYoutubeHandles615
      @IHateYoutubeHandles615 2 года назад

      That one scene of the bridge was filmed in the Japanese Tea Garden in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. My dad took me there a couple times as a kid. To me that bridge was super tall and I had to climb it like a ladder.

  • @strafrag1
    @strafrag1 2 года назад

    I loved Lois Nettleton. Terrific actress. RIP.

  • @romuloVG
    @romuloVG 2 года назад

    I don't get the idea of Vivaldi here

    • @garrideb
      @garrideb  2 года назад +1

      That's fair. Other commenters have shared similar opinions. For the record, I make fanvids:
      fanlore.org/wiki/Vidding
      Fanvids always have music - it's what ties the clips together, and usually adds another narrative element. This is the first fanvid I've made with instrumental music where I've kept the clips' original sound. Perhaps I did it poorly, or perhaps this fanvid is being seen by viewers who aren't very familiar with vidding. Regardless, I feel that this montage does need music to tie it together, and Summer was the best I came up with.

  • @bill1589
    @bill1589 3 года назад +2

    ...these are enlightened loafers

  • @bobbellendovich6825
    @bobbellendovich6825 3 года назад +2

    I'm gay!! I'm gay!! I'm gay!! Hey everybody I'm gay!!!! Never forget that I'm gay.
    ☠️🏳️‍🌈I'm totally gay.🏳️‍🌈☠️
    I remember most of these clips from youth, my gay parents watched alot of TV.
    Starsky&Hutch😍

  • @jetsgardner5490
    @jetsgardner5490 Год назад

    Without the asinine added music, this would've been a great post.

  • @d0min0danc1ng
    @d0min0danc1ng 3 года назад +1

    1:09 whoa is that carrot top ?

  • @jstone247
    @jstone247 3 года назад +1

    Atrocious acting...."I am a homosexuuaal"

  • @louiscolborn6715
    @louiscolborn6715 2 года назад

    Sounds like a pain in the ass. 😆

  • @alistaircooke7000
    @alistaircooke7000 2 года назад

    This depressing music.

  • @loganroberts6935
    @loganroberts6935 3 года назад

    Gay

  • @rw2629
    @rw2629 2 года назад

    Disgusting even then.

  • @agelec63
    @agelec63 2 года назад

    Any person is absolutely free to manage himself as he thinks! BUT! He has no right to scream about it! Gay or straight!!!

    • @cantbelieveitsnotredacted1117
      @cantbelieveitsnotredacted1117 2 года назад

      You know gays were still prosecuted during these times right? Imagine being prosecuted for existing

    • @brt5273
      @brt5273 2 года назад

      Scream as in make any sort of public statement about it?