I think people forget that a start full of electric bikes will be making a lot of sound that we normally don’t hear. Tires ripping through dirt, roost smacking against bikes and riders, wrecks, riders yelling at eachother…. They will be able to have mics down on the track to capture all of this. Think of how the NBA mics up basketball courts - shoes squeaking, players yelling, clangs and swishes at the basket, people hitting the deck…. The sound of engines screaming probably eliminates more things than they create in my opinion.
With enough practice on both, you can be a sound rider. One offering just allows you to never have to move your foot position, but it could also be argued that having to move your feet around often would make you a better all around rider with enough practice.
@@marmaleg5309 it’s more of a learning to walk before run thing. With no focus on clutching, shifting, gear selection, stalling and the chassis upset related to those things, the rider can focus more on body position, momentum and line selection which is much more important to going fast. Just look at Jett for a perfect example.
You dont need to move your feet to shift, or to use rear brake, you dont need a clutch, and you have front and rear brake levers. Your foot positioning will be PERFECT. its gonna take alot of skill out of racing currently. Ebikes will crush everyone and anyone on ice will have no chance.
@@MX-CO electric motors including stark varg and all teslas dont have transmissionsnor gear boxes. The power is on demand and instantaneous as you twist the throttle. There is legit zero need for a clutch anymore. Whatever you think you will do with it, simply wont be needed and you will realise it in your very first ride. Stark varg can bang a tight hairpin turn going 1st gear speed and just twist throttle and launch 100 feet off a jump face only 25 feet outside of the tight corner.
@jonashworth3827 how about riding wheelies? Poppng the clutch a little to pop the front wheel up and regulating the power with it? Or decreasing wheel spin out of a corner? Even if it's not necessary, I enjoy using the clutch for those things
It’s gonna be nice when the major manufacturers come out with electric bikes they’re not gonna be so ridiculously overpriced. They’re a simple concept. It’s electric motor with a battery
Electric is now getting interesting. The Alta started it but Stark turned it up to 11! I am old enough to remember when Yamaha brought out the YZ400/426 the first four stroke that gave a glimpse that a four stroke could battle a 2 stroke and win (granted there is a C.C. difference but that's another argument). I remember dogging the YZ400/426 and saying "This 4 Stroke moto thing is just a passing fad." Boy was I wrong and have been eating my words for 20ish years! Not making that mistake again. In ending I will continue to turn laps on my YZ250X and watch this whole thing play out. Keep up the Great work Gentlemen!
You are right, and the key points: - Ride (almost anywhere) with no noise complaints! Yes, your back yard. In places with a snow/winter climate, indoor tracks are WAY more possible now. Any building. An old parking garage, old warehouse... even better... the hundreds of now abandoned or near abandoned 1980s style shopping malls! Holy cow... they would be perfect!!! Multi story dirt bike tracks for any and all electric bikes/quads and space to have a community with food stall, shops, a pit area and so on. Solar panels on the roof and Tesla PowerWall style chargers etc. - Low maintenance, so good for new people to the sport - Price will come down as they get more popular and more brands (like cars, TVs, and airline travel travel did when they first started) - One bike can be with you as you improve by, as AJ said, go from 1hp to 80ph (by using the app) - You can share the bike with friends and family of different skill levels (as above, the app and program the power) - The after market will boom once bike sales do too. It won't be quite the same, but it will be there and probably stuff we can not even think of at the moment. (there is a big aftermarket now for all Teslas) AND NO, it will no remove 2 and 4 stokes completely, and no one wants them to go away forever, but it will allow more options. I LOVE our dirt bikes now, but I know electric will be awesome too. I want both! And as for dual sport/enduro... that is the perfect place for them, get out in nature, quietly and you will see so much more wildlife. I see a LOT of animals already in the Aussie outback, but I would see WAY more on a road legal electric bike such as an enduro Stark (which we need to ride in any national park of state forest in Queensland Australia) 100 years ago, People who rode/used horses... they didn't like motor vehicles... where are we now?
I can see this killing motorsports. One of the main reasons motorsports exists is because of the tuning and modding factor. All electric bikes will turn motorsports into a vanilla experience. They have had electric drag cars for years now and no one cares, but put a jet engine on a semi truck..and everyone is watching.
There is absolutely no way this will kill the sport. Actually it’s the complete opposite. Drag cars isn’t a good comparison at all. This is a huge growth opportunity for the sport in un areas. It has already been proven on the small bike market. There are all kinds of people riding dirt bikes now that wouldn’t be if it weren’t for E bikes. There are also kids getting a lot more ride time on E bikes in urban areas that kids with ICE bikes are not.
Electric is what might get me on an MX bike. Coming from bicycles, dealing with a clutch, shifting and foot brake is quite intimidating. And of course there are all the other obvious reasons mentioned here. I also never thought of a BMX gate drop as being boring, there is the same tension about who is coming out of the first corner leading.
The things I wouldn’t like is the skill taken out of riding. If it’s anything like the electric bicycles I don’t want one for motocross. I could see in city riding being good but I want to have the shifter, foot break, and clutch. Being able to do that and keep proper foot and body position takes the real skill and fun. With electric the torque and ride ability with less consequence of not missing a shift or having to move your foot is a plus as far as safety but it takes less skill and effort. I wouldn’t mind having both but I like all the challenges that come with a regular dirt bike.
No need for the rider to hear the bike. I love riding with music blaring in my headphones. Side note. Got my tickets for St Louis supercross Get to training AJ!
The all electric grid is going to be tough for spectators to get behind, because people have grown up around motorbikes and the heritage around it . I think It's going to take a long time for people to get excited about watching a race with only electric bikes. But if it allows for more people to get on bikes and have more tracks around major cities then it's also a positive.
It’s like right now at the local tracks when the E-bikes(50s) leave the gate. Just actually hearing the gate hit the pad is so weird. Then all you hear is the chain slapping the swing arm!! It’s cool but boring at the same time if that’s possible. You never know what’s going on. Who’s panic revving?? Who hit a false neutral??! Ha. It’s just weird to me. As of now. Luke 9:62
Electric will have its place. I've got nothing against it. But as long as we have fossil fuels available, its a no brainer to have both. Lots of pros and cons to both. To each their own man, its all good.
They all used to be WAY louder back in the 90s early 2000s. The noise is half the reason to ride. Maybe I am spoiled. I can still ride my bike anywhere in Michigan I rode as a kid.
Doubt it. 2 stroke noise doesn't carry NEARLY as far as a 4 stroke. Current 4 strokes are freakin loud, and most guys put even louder aftermarket cans on them, and the thumps carry for a long distance.
When that battery dies and its more then a new 2t fix it... Its too early still. They only last 35 min balls out. and then 90 minute wait to ride again IF you have a 220v outlet at the track forget it otherwise.
It's this reason that I think it will be a niche thing. Doesn't mean it won't have its place, like in an area that has sound restrictions or something. But most places you can ride won't have sound restrictions and only a few of us will be able to afford them even after they've been around a few more years.
If it works for you run it man. Its just absolutely not what dirt bikes/motocross is about for me. Maybe when the charge times come around but thats not coming until someone designs new battery tech. Im not going to the track to ride for 45-60 min and leave. Its an all day thing 2 days a week for me.
@@TommyToboggan611 It’s not a replacement bike. Many people use them as daily practice bikes because they are such low maintenance and convenient. I would never have one as a singular bike. I have 3 other ICE bikes. You can ride a bike everyday and are not driving to a track or having to charge it. With most people’s lives with work and school they don’t have much more then an hour a day to ride during the week anyways. If Josh Hill a pro can get over an hour out of it with still 25% left on max 80 HP power it’s plenty good for me. Again it’s not for everyone and takes a different mentality. People would still be riding horses for transportation with the everything is great and no change mentality
I've been saying this for awhile now. Everyone should be thinking down the road, when stark switches it up and makes it a subscription service. not to mention a 13k asking price and a 7k price for a replacement battery. Gas is still king
You have been saying wrong then... just saying. You sound just like those who rode horses for work and around town 100 years ago... just saying. Riding a horse is cool still, and riding a gas powered dirt bike WILL ALWAYS be cool. But the future is what it is.
@@2xdecadesofphotoshopping495 Everything is moving towards subscription base economy. Netflix, Mercedes, Toyota etc. They all have subscription fees for "extra features" now. And Stark will turn into one as well. Once the meat hooks are in. And we don't have the infrastructure for everything to be electric. Sure it's a cool novelty, but unless we start building Nuclear power plants in abundance it won't be sustainable. CA for example can't even keep the power on during the summer.
@@RydenAroundthe future doesn't care. It will be decided by supply and demand and what people can afford. Also finite resources. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if gas outlives everything else.
The Moto-Battles between Electric Machines and Fuel Burning machines are going to be epic! Can not wait to see it go down. Who will win in glorious fashion? Electric or Fuel! Please feel free to respond. I am not picking a fight just genuinely interested. Talking strictly moto not off road for now.......
I think people forget that a start full of electric bikes will be making a lot of sound that we normally don’t hear. Tires ripping through dirt, roost smacking against bikes and riders, wrecks, riders yelling at eachother…. They will be able to have mics down on the track to capture all of this. Think of how the NBA mics up basketball courts - shoes squeaking, players yelling, clangs and swishes at the basket, people hitting the deck…. The sound of engines screaming probably eliminates more things than they create in my opinion.
No sound is a big benefit. Filming at the track is difficult because there’s nowhere quite enough to vlog. I’m all for it!
EVERYONE that I have seen ride it says how fun it is to ride too.....
AJ opening statements 100% correct. Been arguing this with goons online for years now. Ebike makes you a way more technically sound rider.
With enough practice on both, you can be a sound rider. One offering just allows you to never have to move your foot position, but it could also be argued that having to move your feet around often would make you a better all around rider with enough practice.
@@marmaleg5309 it’s more of a learning to walk before run thing. With no focus on clutching, shifting, gear selection, stalling and the chassis upset related to those things, the rider can focus more on body position, momentum and line selection which is much more important to going fast. Just look at Jett for a perfect example.
It would be sick content getting AJ out on a Varg and reviewing it!
You dont need to move your feet to shift, or to use rear brake, you dont need a clutch, and you have front and rear brake levers. Your foot positioning will be PERFECT. its gonna take alot of skill out of racing currently. Ebikes will crush everyone and anyone on ice will have no chance.
I like a clutch and I would like to have one even if it isn't needed it's nice to use to regulate power and traction
@@MX-CO electric motors including stark varg and all teslas dont have transmissionsnor gear boxes. The power is on demand and instantaneous as you twist the throttle. There is legit zero need for a clutch anymore. Whatever you think you will do with it, simply wont be needed and you will realise it in your very first ride. Stark varg can bang a tight hairpin turn going 1st gear speed and just twist throttle and launch 100 feet off a jump face only 25 feet outside of the tight corner.
@jonashworth3827 how about riding wheelies? Poppng the clutch a little to pop the front wheel up and regulating the power with it?
Or decreasing wheel spin out of a corner?
Even if it's not necessary, I enjoy using the clutch for those things
It’s gonna be nice when the major manufacturers come out with electric bikes they’re not gonna be so ridiculously overpriced. They’re a simple concept. It’s electric motor with a battery
Electric is now getting interesting. The Alta started it but Stark turned it up to 11! I am old enough to remember when Yamaha brought out the YZ400/426 the first four stroke that gave a glimpse that a four stroke could battle a 2 stroke and win (granted there is a C.C. difference but that's another argument). I remember dogging the YZ400/426 and saying "This 4 Stroke moto thing is just a passing fad." Boy was I wrong and have been eating my words for 20ish years! Not making that mistake again. In ending I will continue to turn laps on my YZ250X and watch this whole thing play out. Keep up the Great work Gentlemen!
You are right, and the key points:
- Ride (almost anywhere) with no noise complaints! Yes, your back yard. In places with a snow/winter climate, indoor tracks are WAY more possible now. Any building. An old parking garage, old warehouse... even better... the hundreds of now abandoned or near abandoned 1980s style shopping malls! Holy cow... they would be perfect!!! Multi story dirt bike tracks for any and all electric bikes/quads and space to have a community with food stall, shops, a pit area and so on. Solar panels on the roof and Tesla PowerWall style chargers etc.
- Low maintenance, so good for new people to the sport
- Price will come down as they get more popular and more brands (like cars, TVs, and airline travel travel did when they first started)
- One bike can be with you as you improve by, as AJ said, go from 1hp to 80ph (by using the app)
- You can share the bike with friends and family of different skill levels (as above, the app and program the power)
- The after market will boom once bike sales do too. It won't be quite the same, but it will be there and probably stuff we can not even think of at the moment. (there is a big aftermarket now for all Teslas)
AND NO, it will no remove 2 and 4 stokes completely, and no one wants them to go away forever, but it will allow more options. I LOVE our dirt bikes now, but I know electric will be awesome too. I want both! And as for dual sport/enduro... that is the perfect place for them, get out in nature, quietly and you will see so much more wildlife. I see a LOT of animals already in the Aussie outback, but I would see WAY more on a road legal electric bike such as an enduro Stark (which we need to ride in any national park of state forest in Queensland Australia)
100 years ago, People who rode/used horses... they didn't like motor vehicles... where are we now?
Indoor tracks with no need for ventilation. That's an amazing idea!
The Varg is changing moto forever. For the infinite better!!
I can see this killing motorsports. One of the main reasons motorsports exists is because of the tuning and modding factor. All electric bikes will turn motorsports into a vanilla experience. They have had electric drag cars for years now and no one cares, but put a jet engine on a semi truck..and everyone is watching.
The future will laugh at you
@RydenAround let me know when the future happens. Flying cars are just around the corner.
Electric vehicles aren’t for competition because there is no competition. Alternative fuels are the real future
You obviously don’t understand that there is way more tuning capability on this than any ICE bike. You can also make it sound like whatever you want.
There is absolutely no way this will kill the sport. Actually it’s the complete opposite. Drag cars isn’t a good comparison at all. This is a huge growth opportunity for the sport in un areas. It has already been proven on the small bike market. There are all kinds of people riding dirt bikes now that wouldn’t be if it weren’t for E bikes. There are also kids getting a lot more ride time on E bikes in urban areas that kids with ICE bikes are not.
Electric is what might get me on an MX bike. Coming from bicycles, dealing with a clutch, shifting and foot brake is quite intimidating. And of course there are all the other obvious reasons mentioned here. I also never thought of a BMX gate drop as being boring, there is the same tension about who is coming out of the first corner leading.
The things I wouldn’t like is the skill taken out of riding. If it’s anything like the electric bicycles I don’t want one for motocross. I could see in city riding being good but I want to have the shifter, foot break, and clutch. Being able to do that and keep proper foot and body position takes the real skill and fun. With electric the torque and ride ability with less consequence of not missing a shift or having to move your foot is a plus as far as safety but it takes less skill and effort. I wouldn’t mind having both but I like all the challenges that come with a regular dirt bike.
To elaborate further it takes way more skill to go fast on a 2 stroke
No need for the rider to hear the bike. I love riding with music blaring in my headphones.
Side note. Got my tickets for St Louis supercross
Get to training AJ!
AJ getting that electric with a Ti exhaust and a big bore
The all electric grid is going to be tough for spectators to get behind, because people have grown up around motorbikes and the heritage around it . I think It's going to take a long time for people to get excited about watching a race with only electric bikes. But if it allows for more people to get on bikes and have more tracks around major cities then it's also a positive.
It’s like right now at the local tracks when the E-bikes(50s) leave the gate. Just actually hearing the gate hit the pad is so weird. Then all you hear is the chain slapping the swing arm!!
It’s cool but boring at the same time if that’s possible. You never know what’s going on. Who’s panic revving?? Who hit a false neutral??! Ha. It’s just weird to me. As of now. Luke 9:62
Riding around with the Ear rape sound on max 😂
The only issue I have is the high $$$ of them.
Yes this is an issue for me to, I would get one right now IF I Could
We will be at the pit bike race at Tomahawk with our BBR V3 electric pit bike
Sorry but as soon as I heard “I don’t like dirt bike noises” I left lol
Yeah another one that doesn’t want to be educated. Most riders wear earplugs in a stadium 🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
Electric will have its place. I've got nothing against it. But as long as we have fossil fuels available, its a no brainer to have both. Lots of pros and cons to both. To each their own man, its all good.
They all used to be WAY louder back in the 90s early 2000s. The noise is half the reason to ride. Maybe I am spoiled. I can still ride my bike anywhere in Michigan I rode as a kid.
Pretty dumb reason to ride
Doubt it. 2 stroke noise doesn't carry NEARLY as far as a 4 stroke. Current 4 strokes are freakin loud, and most guys put even louder aftermarket cans on them, and the thumps carry for a long distance.
Not even close. Obviously you don’t live near a track.
@@JohnHowerton137 I live right in the middle of Michigan there are tracks all over the place.
Well then you should know better 🤷🏼♂️
When that battery dies and its more then a new 2t fix it... Its too early still. They only last 35 min balls out. and then 90 minute wait to ride again IF you have a 220v outlet at the track forget it otherwise.
It's this reason that I think it will be a niche thing. Doesn't mean it won't have its place, like in an area that has sound restrictions or something. But most places you can ride won't have sound restrictions and only a few of us will be able to afford them even after they've been around a few more years.
@@marmaleg5309 There is no where I can think of I could ride that thing I couldn't ride my 125
Unfortunately not true at all for a massive population out there.
If it works for you run it man. Its just absolutely not what dirt bikes/motocross is about for me.
Maybe when the charge times come around but thats not coming until someone designs new battery tech. Im not going to the track to ride for 45-60 min and leave. Its an all day thing 2 days a week for me.
@@TommyToboggan611 It’s not a replacement bike. Many people use them as daily practice bikes because they are such low maintenance and convenient. I would never have one as a singular bike. I have 3 other ICE bikes. You can ride a bike everyday and are not driving to a track or having to charge it. With most people’s lives with work and school they don’t have much more then an hour a day to ride during the week anyways. If Josh Hill a pro can get over an hour out of it with still 25% left on max 80 HP power it’s plenty good for me. Again it’s not for everyone and takes a different mentality. People would still be riding horses for transportation with the everything is great and no change mentality
I've been saying this for awhile now. Everyone should be thinking down the road, when stark switches it up and makes it a subscription service. not to mention a 13k asking price and a 7k price for a replacement battery. Gas is still king
You have been saying wrong then... just saying.
You sound just like those who rode horses for work and around town 100 years ago... just saying.
Riding a horse is cool still, and riding a gas powered dirt bike WILL ALWAYS be cool. But the future is what it is.
@@2xdecadesofphotoshopping495 Everything is moving towards subscription base economy. Netflix, Mercedes, Toyota etc. They all have subscription fees for "extra features" now. And Stark will turn into one as well. Once the meat hooks are in.
And we don't have the infrastructure for everything to be electric. Sure it's a cool novelty, but unless we start building Nuclear power plants in abundance it won't be sustainable. CA for example can't even keep the power on during the summer.
It;s not worth it at this point in time, maybe 25-30 years from now sure.
The future will laugh at you
@@RydenAroundthe future doesn't care. It will be decided by supply and demand and what people can afford. Also finite resources. The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if gas outlives everything else.
nascar will 100% go EV.... yall seriously need to check out a formula E race!
The Moto-Battles between Electric Machines and Fuel Burning machines are going to be epic! Can not wait to see it go down. Who will win in glorious fashion? Electric or Fuel! Please feel free to respond. I am not picking a fight just genuinely interested. Talking strictly moto not off road for now.......
My biggest hope is that they make them separate classes, I don't want them to race in the same classes
Incoming ignorant d class guys “I oNLy rIdE cR500 tWoSTrOKe”
Its a turbocharged mobility scooter
Turbos need gas... just saying...
I doubt you can handle a 40hp Stark, yet alone 80hp
Obviously never ridden one LOL 🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
EShit needs a clutch and gears if they want people to use their low income government energy assistance funding.