I don't think it's true that Go is time-consuming to write. Its static typing and compilation prevents the need to spend time debugging many errors that would otherwise appear during runtime in languages like JavaScript and Python; its syntax is also very concise and simple, and it's much faster to write than, say, C or Java. Also there's gofmt which helps mitigate the need for a style guide.
I generally agree but it depends on the situation, there are many cases where the risk and/or consequences of failure are small, or requirements are constantly changing, where the flexibility of dynamic typing are useful. That's compared to something like Python, though - it is certainly faster than most other static languages.
it depends on what to write on Java. if you are going to write the API on plain Java, then ok, maybe, but in Java you have spring, micronaut, quarkus, etc. which can give you a completely fully established and workable API just with one command :) also, java code is much easier to read.
@@jackdanyal4329 with any language you can just import a framework or library that does everything for you! I don't see how that says anything about the speed it takes to write in a language
Hey bro Can I contact you ? I have been working as a flutter developer intern and freelancer since the past 2 years and I also have knowledge of web development (react /angular) and backend services written in node I want to learn and work on golang can you help me out or can I work on your project?
I am new to Go. We are developing a chat app on Vue and Go. I didnt do the GO coding as existing guy left, I am learning to replace him. The learning curve with go channels and routines is very difficult for me. Also so many frameworks. Really confusing after u learn the basics. This is my personal opinion.
@@ThomasLanghorst C was invented to help write Unix, I think python was a personal project for Van Rossum, probably because perl is an icky language. Wasn't Rust invented specifically for mozilla internals?
Small addition: To my knowledge, no runtime is needed because it is bundled in with your code. That leads to slightly bigger binaries than some might expect. Not complaining... just a side node. LG :)
To my knowledge, go does get compiled to machine code. Which is why it does not need any runtime. But tbh, I have to double check. So, I might be wrong on this. But thanks for the comment! Always nice to have people comment on videos with useful information.
Thanks!!! This is what I love about this community! People are genuinely helpful and try to help others! But it seems like I still have a lot to learn 😅
@@ThomasLanghorst wtf, yours channel is about Go and you don't even know that it's has a Garbage Collector and that it's bundled with the executables? Did you even read the documentation?
I learned golang in 2020 and got a job change to good product company with a hike around 150% in 2022 .. people with good knowledge of go concurrency is are in demand..
telecom , networking domain, here Golang is used for micro services when high performance is needed, especially gRPC services are written in golang, data synchronization, backup of huge amount of data, inter services communication
@@rumpeldrump Because at the end of "A Tour of Go" you are instructed "Go Specification is very readable and you should know it" (something like that). And every Gopher that I know, says "You should read Go Spec, it isn't hard".
I wouldn't start by reading the specs. I would start by building projects. And whenever you are stuck and do not know how exactly something works. That's usually the point where I read specs or docs.
@@ThomasLanghorst I already started. I just came to the moment when I post questions on golang-nuts and in every second answer I read "BTW, you should read spec". Also, I hope to contribute to one project and, you guest it, reading Spec is on the TODO list, before you start a working on it.
I'm sure that you will get there. Starting to learn a language is always tough. But once you figured out the gist, you will be well rewarded. If you don't mind me asking. For how long are you coding?
I have no coding experience and I am trying to master one language which will be GOLANG. Do you think I can land an entry level tech job with just learning GOLANG? I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks 😊
Absolutely! After coding a few projects, you should definitely be able to land an entry level job. Even if the job is for, let's say python or Java...after really understanding the core coding concepts in go, you should be able to learn these other languages fairly easily. Btw, have you started to code small projects yet?
@@ThomasLanghorst Thank you for the advice and sharing your real life experience senpai 🙏 I have tried html and css but I don't enjoy front-end at all and want something structured like backend. I'm changing Carreers and want to start ASAP and will put in the WORK, which is why I'm trying to see if only learning golang could possibly land me an entry job without Java or python.... I hope I don't sound disrespectful or anything like that.
Hey man. Why did you choose go? Why not go with more popular languages like python, Java or C++? If your goal is to find a job asap, then picking more popular languages would make sense, wouldn't it?
@@bobbyc3076 once you learn one language, other languages aren't that difficult. Also, to truely master programming you must learn to READ the code. Also, the way your data structured is really important, algorithms are secondary. I think I learned the most about computer science by looking at low level stuff, like microcontroller assembly, fascinating state machines.
@@ThomasLanghorst I have got a video recommendation, you can make a video based the top most useful and in demand programming languages, frameworks etc that we need to learn in terms of the current market :)
I've been doing the same right now. It's just I learned Rust first then Go right now. For some reason though I am finding learning Go hard. I'm currently stuck on interfaces & concurrency. However I literally had it easy in Rust before. Could it be that my stock knowledge in Rust is conflicting with the information I'm learning in Go? I wanted to learn Go as I deem Rust's frameworks too immature yet for production.
Bro, I just wanted to know if it's a good idea to learn go, tell your opinion in the beginning. It's the most annoying thing ever to wait the entire video for an answer to a yes or no question.
It is a tough question to answer, because there are so many variables involved. Let's assume you are proficient in Go and NodeJS, then I would take Go.
The two big things holding Go back for me is that it is very involved to import code from a subfolder or another folder besides the current one, and the attitude of the Go developers that think everything should be written from scratch
I don’t think you should. You should think about what you want to use it for. Go is for server software. Not if you want to make a game, a language, anything with AI, make a desktop gui app or an app for your phone. As a language it is also not that interesting.
not touching it not sure why everyone thinks people that work in distrubuted systms use this pile of crap language. the only place this language could be used, is on a system with layers of other configurations between it and the rest of the internet. Go requires the same type of security model as MS Windows, there are oo manythings that make it not worth looking at. everything Go has is also available in other languages for the same reasons that Go is selected. writing custom libraries is a pain in the bjtt most of the time, and you have o adlib lot of the functions for more complex things. Rust can loterally do everythingGo can, and better
@@yxtqwf yeah, I had this doubt because, at 4:27, he mentions web development as one of the main use cases (which is indeed in agreement with the chart), yet it represents only 10%...I found it too little of a percentage, therefore the question. But thanks for clarifying
google is bad is right. Usually a backend doesn't do much without a frontend. So to me, if you write API/RPC service, which are consumed by a frontend, you still do web development. Thanks google is bad for answering the question!
Hey man, thanks for the comment. That is actually a VERY interesting question! To be honest though, I don't think that Go (or any programming language) is part of the problem. (I might be wrong here...) But I guess I still consider Go to be an absolutely fine language to learn.
We are replacing Go stuff for Rust and C#. Lack of libs, frameworks and stuff is hard to maintain, even more than Rust code (Rust still inmature for serious projects)
@@ThomasLanghorst apis, sockets, IoT devices, drivers, and the last thing is high scalable and high computing demanding services for some big techs :D we need a lang what do the job "fast", safe and for long time without changes or whatever :P
Thanks for the comment. I mean...when picking programming languages, there is always personal preference involved. There is no one size fits all. I really appreciate your opinion about go. I am still convinced though that it is a good language worth learning. One thing I like about your comment is: "if this is what people want". I feel like...as developers, we sometimes need to code in whatever language is necessary to get the job done. Even when we don't like the language at all.
@@RandomShowerThoughts Except that it ignored the last 30 years of PLT research. Lisp was invented 1958 and is light years ahead of Go when it comes to expressiveness and consistency. I don't understand why google didn't just make Dart compile to machine code and have that instead of Go. Or some subset of Dart sans OOP features. Baked in CSP concurrency model is nice, but you can have that in C and other languages too, there are CSP libs.
Go can do light speed processing against lists. I run processing against 6 Billion object list in 5 minutes. The same processing in python takes HOURS!
SHORT ANSWER: YES!
Thanks very helpful
I don't think it's true that Go is time-consuming to write. Its static typing and compilation prevents the need to spend time debugging many errors that would otherwise appear during runtime in languages like JavaScript and Python; its syntax is also very concise and simple, and it's much faster to write than, say, C or Java. Also there's gofmt which helps mitigate the need for a style guide.
Yeah, gofmt is something I really like about go. The code looks exactly the same, no matter who wrote it.
I generally agree but it depends on the situation, there are many cases where the risk and/or consequences of failure are small, or requirements are constantly changing, where the flexibility of dynamic typing are useful. That's compared to something like Python, though - it is certainly faster than most other static languages.
@@daveface69 True, dealing with arbitrary JSON with Go is quite bothersome
it depends on what to write on Java. if you are going to write the API on plain Java, then ok, maybe, but in Java you have spring, micronaut, quarkus, etc. which can give you a completely fully established and workable API just with one command :) also, java code is much easier to read.
@@jackdanyal4329 with any language you can just import a framework or library that does everything for you! I don't see how that says anything about the speed it takes to write in a language
Yes, been a golang programmer for 3+ years, and made an app written in golang, it’s amazing
Cool, congrats! What kind of app did you write? And why did you choose go?
@@ThomasLanghorst the backend is written in go, mobile portion in Flutter
Nice! Is the app live somewhere?
@@RandomShowerThoughts this is exactly what i am working on atm. Huge grpc flutter server streaming potential
Hey bro Can I contact you ?
I have been working as a flutter developer intern and freelancer since the past 2 years and I also have knowledge of web development (react /angular) and backend services written in node
I want to learn and work on golang can you help me out or can I work on your project?
Hey Thomas! This has been a fun video to watch! you have impressive story telling and video editing skills, subscribed :)
Hey David, thank you so much! Hope my video had some useful information!
Another great video! I am learning lots about Go.
Hey Shawnee. Always nice to hear from you. Thank you so much for all your support!
I am new to Go. We are developing a chat app on Vue and Go. I didnt do the GO coding as existing guy left, I am learning to replace him.
The learning curve with go channels and routines is very difficult for me. Also so many frameworks. Really confusing after u learn the basics.
This is my personal opinion.
How did you get a job? I am a student who knows python and a bit of Java
@@edboss36 I didnt get a new job, in my exisitng project we are developing our backend using GO I meant.
Yes, goroutines are one of the most complex topics in go. But also, one of its core strengths. What language did you code in before go?
@@ThomasLanghorst Power Builder(like dotnet windows apps). and little bit of javascript.
Languages designed for personal use usually work extremely well, languages designed for everyone to use... Well, they are kinda sucky...
What languages do you know that are designed for personal use?
@@ThomasLanghorst C was invented to help write Unix, I think python was a personal project for Van Rossum, probably because perl is an icky language. Wasn't Rust invented specifically for mozilla internals?
Error checking in Go is very elegant. If you don't get it, it is okay. But didn't complain on things you don't understand.
Small addition: To my knowledge, no runtime is needed because it is bundled in with your code. That leads to slightly bigger binaries than some might expect.
Not complaining... just a side node. LG :)
To my knowledge, go does get compiled to machine code. Which is why it does not need any runtime. But tbh, I have to double check. So, I might be wrong on this.
But thanks for the comment! Always nice to have people comment on videos with useful information.
@@ThomasLanghorst Go actually has garbage collector so it needs runtime which included in binary.
Thanks!!! This is what I love about this community! People are genuinely helpful and try to help others! But it seems like I still have a lot to learn 😅
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@@ThomasLanghorst wtf, yours channel is about Go and you don't even know that it's has a Garbage Collector and that it's bundled with the executables?
Did you even read the documentation?
Didn't know that Negreanu was also a software developer!! PS: Great video, man!
HAHAHAHA, thanks man!
I learned golang in 2020 and got a job change to good product company with a hike around 150% in 2022 .. people with good knowledge of go concurrency is are in demand..
Nice, congratulations!
In which domain you use go
telecom , networking domain, here Golang is used for micro services when high performance is needed, especially gRPC services are written in golang, data synchronization, backup of huge amount of data, inter services communication
I want to learn Go at good level in 2023, but man. When I try to read Go Specification I only understand half of each paragraph.
Why read the specification, not the tutorial? If I learn car driving, I didn't study the blueprints.
@@rumpeldrump Because at the end of "A Tour of Go" you are instructed "Go Specification is very readable and you should know it" (something like that). And every Gopher that I know, says "You should read Go Spec, it isn't hard".
I wouldn't start by reading the specs. I would start by building projects. And whenever you are stuck and do not know how exactly something works. That's usually the point where I read specs or docs.
@@ThomasLanghorst I already started. I just came to the moment when I post questions on golang-nuts and in every second answer I read "BTW, you should read spec".
Also, I hope to contribute to one project and, you guest it, reading Spec is on the TODO list, before you start a working on it.
I'm sure that you will get there. Starting to learn a language is always tough. But once you figured out the gist, you will be well rewarded.
If you don't mind me asking. For how long are you coding?
I have no coding experience and I am trying to master one language which will be GOLANG. Do you think I can land an entry level tech job with just learning GOLANG? I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks 😊
Absolutely! After coding a few projects, you should definitely be able to land an entry level job. Even if the job is for, let's say python or Java...after really understanding the core coding concepts in go, you should be able to learn these other languages fairly easily.
Btw, have you started to code small projects yet?
@@ThomasLanghorst Thank you for the advice and sharing your real life experience senpai 🙏 I have tried html and css but I don't enjoy front-end at all and want something structured like backend. I'm changing Carreers and want to start ASAP and will put in the WORK, which is why I'm trying to see if only learning golang could possibly land me an entry job without Java or python.... I hope I don't sound disrespectful or anything like that.
Hey man. Why did you choose go? Why not go with more popular languages like python, Java or C++? If your goal is to find a job asap, then picking more popular languages would make sense, wouldn't it?
And thanks for calling my senpai 😂😂😂
@@bobbyc3076 once you learn one language, other languages aren't that difficult. Also, to truely master programming you must learn to READ the code. Also, the way your data structured is really important, algorithms are secondary. I think I learned the most about computer science by looking at low level stuff, like microcontroller assembly, fascinating state machines.
How can one not learn GO? Such a great mascot :D
So true!
Stolen from Glenda in Plan 9
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I cannot tell if it's actually stolen or not. But it looks pretty similar tbh.
@@replikvltyoutube3727 Plan 9 bunny and the Go Gopher were created by the same artist
As I noticed mostly experienced developers use golang
🤔🤔🤔 Interesting thought. I have a couple of "junior"-ish devs I know that use go. But most of the go devs I know indeed have 7+ years of experience.
I feel like I have stumbled upon a rare gold mine of a youtube channel!!
Very fun yet informative content you have got here Thomas :D
Thank you so much! Really appreciated! I will try my best to keep it up 💪💪💪
@@ThomasLanghorst I have got a video recommendation, you can make a video based the top most useful and in demand programming languages, frameworks etc that we need to learn in terms of the current market :)
Thanks! I'll put it on my list.
I am learning Go and Rust in 2023.
Nice! I wish you the best of luck! Why two languages? Will you try to master both, or are you just trying them out?
@@ThomasLanghorst Working to "master" Go first and then on to Rust. Lots of opportunities with both of those languages!
I have to admit: I don't know about Rust, but the future for go is looking bright!
I've been doing the same right now. It's just I learned Rust first then Go right now. For some reason though I am finding learning Go hard. I'm currently stuck on interfaces & concurrency. However I literally had it easy in Rust before.
Could it be that my stock knowledge in Rust is conflicting with the information I'm learning in Go?
I wanted to learn Go as I deem Rust's frameworks too immature yet for production.
simply incredible
for some reason, Go always caught my attention, idk if it's because of his pet
yeah, the gopher is pretty cute, isn't it. Thanks for the comment bro. Much appreciated!
Don't fall for that cute mascoot it's a trap lol
I've always wanted to learn Go, right now I know python and Java but I think Java is better for junior software devs
Are you going to learn go in the future? If you know python and Java, picking up go is pretty easy!
@@ThomasLanghorst yes I might as well learn it on the side right?
TL;DR: yes
How do you define OOP that relies on inheritance? You should probably get newer perspectives on that.
I love Go so much I use it for both frontend and backend at the same time
How do you use it in the frontend? For static websites?
@@ThomasLanghorst yes for static with html/template
my mind was blown when i know Docker , Kubernetes , Grafana , Prometheus etc are coded in Golang
yeah, almost all of the CNCF is coded with go. Think about that for a second :D
Bro, I just wanted to know if it's a good idea to learn go, tell your opinion in the beginning. It's the most annoying thing ever to wait the entire video for an answer to a yes or no question.
For backend for a Flutter mobile application, Will you prefer Nodejs or Go ?
It is a tough question to answer, because there are so many variables involved.
Let's assume you are proficient in Go and NodeJS, then I would take Go.
@@ThomasLanghorst Thank you !
The two big things holding Go back for me is that it is very involved to import code from a subfolder or another folder besides the current one, and the attitude of the Go developers that think everything should be written from scratch
Would you recommend Go for someone who is new and wants to learn programming?
Me learning Go after java, c++ and c# it doesn't have lengthy syntax 😊
Yes, that is so true!
@@ThomasLanghorst with due respect Rust is better 🗿☕
I don’t think you should. You should think about what you want to use it for. Go is for server software. Not if you want to make a game, a language, anything with AI, make a desktop gui app or an app for your phone. As a language it is also not that interesting.
2:35 "It doesn't support inheritance, so by definition it's not an OO language" 🤔
Right, OO is really about polymorphism.
many thanks !
You're very welcome! Thanks for the comment!
not touching it
not sure why everyone thinks people that work in distrubuted systms use this pile of crap language. the only place this language could be used, is on a system with layers of other configurations between it and the rest of the internet.
Go requires the same type of security model as MS Windows, there are oo manythings that make it not worth looking at. everything Go has is also available in other languages for the same reasons that Go is selected.
writing custom libraries is a pain in the bjtt most of the time, and you have o adlib lot of the functions for more complex things.
Rust can loterally do everythingGo can, and better
The bgm is so cool
Wow, thank you so much!
the video has been radiating with click-baity vibes🤣
enjoyed the video
Thank you so much!
Not a fan of your clickbait thumbnail
I down voted because of the click-bait graphic on the video "Go is dead" - Please don't do that
Go disallowed Allman braces in all code, just because they don't like Allman braces.
Hi! Could you go more into the difference between RPC/API and Web Services/RESTFUL APIs/, as shown on the charts?
If you look at the chart itself at 4:23, API/RPC services is defined as those not returning HTML and web services are defined as those that do.
@@yxtqwf yeah, I had this doubt because, at 4:27, he mentions web development as one of the main use cases (which is indeed in agreement with the chart), yet it represents only 10%...I found it too little of a percentage, therefore the question. But thanks for clarifying
@@heldim92 I guess RPC/API services can be considered web development as well
google is bad is right. Usually a backend doesn't do much without a frontend. So to me, if you write API/RPC service, which are consumed by a frontend, you still do web development.
Thanks google is bad for answering the question!
@@ThomasLanghorst @google is bad, it makes sense! Thank you for the patience, guys!
As long as there's kubernetes Golang will be there.
Yeah, sounds about right!
1:00 Go design
In the context of mass lay offs from big tech companies, how would you revise your prediction?
Hey man, thanks for the comment. That is actually a VERY interesting question! To be honest though, I don't think that Go (or any programming language) is part of the problem. (I might be wrong here...)
But I guess I still consider Go to be an absolutely fine language to learn.
@@ThomasLanghorst Thank you!
We are replacing Go stuff for Rust and C#. Lack of libs, frameworks and stuff is hard to maintain, even more than Rust code (Rust still inmature for serious projects)
What is it that you are building?
@@ThomasLanghorst apis, sockets, IoT devices, drivers, and the last thing is high scalable and high computing demanding services for some big techs :D we need a lang what do the job "fast", safe and for long time without changes or whatever :P
Wow, this sounds like a nice place to work!
@@ThomasLanghorst its common job
So, is go been replaced by rust and c#？
What r your thoughts on zig language?
5:00 So, "Ruby on rails" isn't far behind Go in demand?
thank you!
You're welcome. Glad you liked it.
Futur is AI...how Go language can help on that?
Yes you should learn GO, because it will take few weeks at most.
i am surprised c++ is so low in salary median list
What a click bait of a thumbnail...
Excelent info btw
Golang is more than alive
💯
What about Rust ?
Upload se golang projects 🙂
Clickbait
Nice clickbait thumbnail. Didn’t watch the video. Go is too young to dead.
That's unfortunate. I think I make a really compelling argument for go. But thanks for the feedback.
Geth is in go
I propose that the golang name be changed to iferrnil ===> infernal ===> you're in programming hell.
For me V is better than Go
tldr; no .. just google how moronic golang is
Rust>>>>>>>go
watched this video at 3/4 speed. too fast by default
That's valuable feedback! Thank you so much for the comment!
I wont until they realese decorator
That's fair.
Lmfao
Your channel looks dead
Go is garbage, but if this is what people want, ok, we will use go.
Thanks for the comment. I mean...when picking programming languages, there is always personal preference involved. There is no one size fits all. I really appreciate your opinion about go. I am still convinced though that it is a good language worth learning.
One thing I like about your comment is: "if this is what people want". I feel like...as developers, we sometimes need to code in whatever language is necessary to get the job done. Even when we don't like the language at all.
I disagree I think Go is a great programming language which has direct support for things such as concurrency
@@RandomShowerThoughts Except that it ignored the last 30 years of PLT research. Lisp was invented 1958 and is light years ahead of Go when it comes to expressiveness and consistency. I don't understand why google didn't just make Dart compile to machine code and have that instead of Go. Or some subset of Dart sans OOP features. Baked in CSP concurrency model is nice, but you can have that in C and other languages too, there are CSP libs.
Go can do light speed processing against lists. I run processing against 6 Billion object list in 5 minutes. The same processing in python takes HOURS!
Lisp fanboys still exist..
Clickbait