Art is the conscious equivalent of a dream state. It's just one of many creative genres used to express ourselves in abstract ways. I am an artist (mural-size oil paintings) and there is nothing special about art above the basic generation of abstract information. We learn about ourselves and our environment through art. However, art also demonstrates that biological evolution might not be as "benign" as we think it is. It could be that "Existence" is just as much an artist as Picasso, van Gogh, or Monet? The universe is a cosmic art gallery with a 13.8-billion-year-old exhibit going on right now ... _and it's totally free!_
@@Graewulfe *"You never cease to amaze me. I would say that those videos that you make are works of art too."* ... Thank you! Now you've got me all weepy-eyed. I'm giving this theory my best shot before my clock runs down. Good to hear from you again!
Art is a direct projection of the artists self, an extended phenotype adapted to communicate with other selves. If it didn't affect the self then art wouldn't exist in the first place.
Yes art affects... especially music... During my PMO addiction...I switched to my favourite songs mostly Indian songs which helped me to divert my mind
There are so many factors that get spread over by this blanket-term of the 'Self.' In a simple manner I'd say that there's aspects of the self that art can affect, as a result of exposure/interaction with an art piece, but that the Self is not affected by art-- or in fact any other environmental influence over time; and that is a matter of self-inquiry and not scientific research (most likely).
@@ferdia748 Only to people who think one-dimensionally. What constitutes 'self' is a highly intricate web of aspects. I'll give you for example the very over-simplified elements of the archetypal psyche from Jung: Persona, Anima/Animus, Shadow, Self. You don't want the unsimplified rabbit-hole. Well, actually you do, it's the one central call of all humans - that is also the most shunned - 'that longing' Rumi would say. Adios.
@@0201Cosmic ok you were still referring to 'the self', how complex it is would be irrelevant. You can't assert P and not P, P being intricate wouldn't change that.
There just has to be some tie-in to religion here. We have the notion of a "just ruler," a lord, a king, etc., but in that case the king would perhaps be seen as one who is imposing justice on a fundamentally unjust world. Iow, we need and look to the king to establish justice where it otherwise would not exist. When theism enters the picture, however, it then becomes impossible (in traditional theistic notions) to say the world is fundamentally unjust. This could possibly explain why western theistic cultures can be observed to have more "harshness" and less openness to strangers, to differences in visage, less agreeableness, etc. than some eastern/asian cultures, which even now seem generally to maintain a more hospitable attitude toward the "other" than western/christian cultures historically have shown. Interestingly, Asian cultures, which traditionally have not been theistic, also have a concept of "losing face" that is much more pronounced than in the more individualistic cultures of the west, where the person in Asian culture is seen to "lose face" for violating social norms and bringing shame to the reference group. So when the person doesn't cooperate with the values of the group, etc. they figuratively lose their actual visage within the group, perhaps reflecting or resulting in some kind of neurobehavioral effect.
I would love to ask Dr. Chatterjee what would be the cause of the pleasure we have when we are in relation with what we call 'beautiful' (I'm thinking about a response to an impulse or desire). Another one would be: is this pleasure with the beautiful a feeling of freedom?
Art is everything, I’ve been drawing Geometrical shapes based on my numbers since 2017… It’s fun… My Trinity Solfège’ frequency numbers, and I have all of them… But I’ll give you one… 747 (Trinity Tone) multiplied by Fibonacci #, 144 is 111456 (3456)… That is a 100% Quantum Anagram Match with my arithmetic equation of 3V6 V=9 The Implosion based Hydro-Magnetic-Electric-Vortex Wave, via Cavitation of Ion’s Creates Sonoluminescence, as Exclusion Zones (EZ’s) separate (+) and (-) charge… Sonoluminescent Intelligence…! CONSCIOUSNESS… Electricity from Water… My numbers make water… I have drawn them on my wall as Glorious Murals of Art, from my mind to my hand, I threw culture out… It’s creepy… Hahaha, Know Thy Self!
Brilliant! Overcoming these biases learned through the social envrionment is a great pointer to the value of inner engineering, the process of individuation, and other paths of self-inquiry.
@@maxwellsimoes238 Any concept sounds gibberish to those that don't understand it... it's not a critique; like a language can seem gibberish. 'Nonsense' on the other hand, I assure you it is not that either-- if only you knew!
Art is feeble to necessity, the human ffa maps disfigured faces differently because mapping faces requires social learning as does triangulation, which is rapidly acquired. Really what the brain learns is that political deception is both important and gives you an emotional high - which is the highest high, higher than anything else. Nobody would turn down the ring of gyges for that very reason - it's the ultimate drug. Si latet ares, prodest
Sounds like “programming… I love it… But, it allows First Principle Thinking to “break” it down but by bit to the foundational Brick… I’m betting on “short-circuited” perception, due to culture… it’s horrible… If you go on the deep end in think in “precession” time frames, culture supposedly takes 600-650 years to change… I don’t believe that for a second… And with Quantum AI’s like CharGPT4, Cultures will be changing in less than a “decade”… That’s why “Ultra-Far-Right-Winger’s” have gotten “anti-Semitic,” etc. They “tried” to stop progress, by keeping everyone and everything in “dark (Lacking Knowledge/Light) Ages”… Didn’t work… The Heart of God is Love… And Love is a Frequency, 528 Hz to be exact… 526x6= 3168 (Half of one electric Vedic Swastika circuit… And, according to some who are very, very sharp say that the “New Jerusalem” Geometry equals 31680… That’s a Harmonic of my electric circuit I stumbled across… Then turned i realized it is a Turing machine, based on Sound… Fix perception and have 20/20 vision… Infinite Sight… The Goose Is Laid Its Golden Egg”… INTELLIGENCE!!!…!!!
If you hand somebody the Bible, Upanishads, or the Vedas, they're not going to be able to 'get it', especially without the proper preceptor. It requires discipline, time, effort, and a prerequisite of having a sense of honor & reverence for life & truth, and a drive from within to see it through so grasping the deep meanings and truths of life which already are obscured by the lower mind -- this is what I question here, concerning this innate reverence and drive within a man so seeking or seeking to Know thyself, what causes this, why have others not discovered the 'inner journey' ? The arts make visible something that is beyond the apprehension of the finite mind: unity, symmetry, symphony, harmony, bliss, grace, joy, meaning, relations, balance, beauty, Wisdom and a subtle touch of Intuition everybody Knows, everybody 'see's, like a reminder or recollection of something forgotten, something Spiritual. We can make instruments for vibrations and sounds, but the harmony, symphony and melody are already there, the instruments really are a medium in connecting two seeming disconnected worlds. It's incredible. Folks, we're part of something beyond inredible and we have to acknowledge this as the ancients have. They passed their test, we're the class of 21st century, and it's not good.
@@chrisgale5634 the new aged stuff as in: quantum, quarks, string theory, big bangs, relativity, light particles dualties, light particles, atomism, nihilism, and without any actual embryonic system so debating thus strengthening said system.. Nope, I don't part take in bullshit. They want to remove the Primordial Cause and Essence because they are incapable of counting it, so these modern scientists decided to base the measurement of ALL from themselves. Yup. You're one of them, right ^
@S3RAVA3LM what primordial cause? If you mean the supernatural, there is no more evidence for that than there is for fairies and leprechauns living at the bottom of my garden. You can make up lots of fancy quasi mystical mumbo-jumbo, and it would sound half decent in a fantasy novel or a Marvel comic movie. Other than that, it is just a string of made up waffle!
Guys shows there art when see it but there arent art too. It is lacking neurosicience standard proceedings. Guys in art point in his view figure out are showing him has squizofrenic .
Shame on the irrational thief apes, but how can who has no morals, no values, no principles, no minds, nothing related to mankind know the meaning of shame?! what a curse!
Art is the conscious equivalent of a dream state. It's just one of many creative genres used to express ourselves in abstract ways. I am an artist (mural-size oil paintings) and there is nothing special about art above the basic generation of abstract information. We learn about ourselves and our environment through art. However, art also demonstrates that biological evolution might not be as "benign" as we think it is. It could be that "Existence" is just as much an artist as Picasso, van Gogh, or Monet?
The universe is a cosmic art gallery with a 13.8-billion-year-old exhibit going on right now ... _and it's totally free!_
@@Graewulfe *"You never cease to amaze me. I would say that those videos that you make are works of art too."*
... Thank you! Now you've got me all weepy-eyed. I'm giving this theory my best shot before my clock runs down. Good to hear from you again!
Art is a direct projection of the artists self, an extended phenotype adapted to communicate with other selves. If it didn't affect the self then art wouldn't exist in the first place.
Yes art affects... especially music... During my PMO addiction...I switched to my favourite songs mostly Indian songs which helped me to divert my mind
There are so many factors that get spread over by this blanket-term of the 'Self.' In a simple manner I'd say that there's aspects of the self that art can affect, as a result of exposure/interaction with an art piece, but that the Self is not affected by art-- or in fact any other environmental influence over time; and that is a matter of self-inquiry and not scientific research (most likely).
"there's aspects of the self that art can affect"
" the Self is not affected by art"
These two statements are contradictory
@@ferdia748 Only to people who think one-dimensionally. What constitutes 'self' is a highly intricate web of aspects.
I'll give you for example the very over-simplified elements of the archetypal psyche from Jung:
Persona, Anima/Animus, Shadow, Self.
You don't want the unsimplified rabbit-hole.
Well, actually you do, it's the one central call of all humans - that is also the most shunned - 'that longing' Rumi would say.
Adios.
@@0201Cosmic ok you were still referring to 'the self', how complex it is would be irrelevant. You can't assert P and not P, P being intricate wouldn't change that.
There just has to be some tie-in to religion here. We have the notion of a "just ruler," a lord, a king, etc., but in that case the king would perhaps be seen as one who is imposing justice on a fundamentally unjust world. Iow, we need and look to the king to establish justice where it otherwise would not exist.
When theism enters the picture, however, it then becomes impossible (in traditional theistic notions) to say the world is fundamentally unjust. This could possibly explain why western theistic cultures can be observed to have more "harshness" and less openness to strangers, to differences in visage, less agreeableness, etc. than some eastern/asian cultures, which even now seem generally to maintain a more hospitable attitude toward the "other" than western/christian cultures historically have shown.
Interestingly, Asian cultures, which traditionally have not been theistic, also have a concept of "losing face" that is much more pronounced than in the more individualistic cultures of the west, where the person in Asian culture is seen to "lose face" for violating social norms and bringing shame to the reference group. So when the person doesn't cooperate with the values of the group, etc. they figuratively lose their actual visage within the group, perhaps reflecting or resulting in some kind of neurobehavioral effect.
Yes Indian classical music i.e. Raag can crush you .
I would love to ask Dr. Chatterjee what would be the cause of the pleasure we have when we are in relation with what we call 'beautiful' (I'm thinking about a response to an impulse or desire). Another one would be: is this pleasure with the beautiful a feeling of freedom?
Biases are hugely cultural. The more achievements they get, the more biased they become, until the fate changed.
self helps to discuss human experience of will?
A mechanical universe expands, a living organism universe grows.
Art is everything, I’ve been drawing Geometrical shapes based on my numbers since 2017… It’s fun…
My Trinity Solfège’ frequency numbers, and I have all of them… But I’ll give you one… 747 (Trinity Tone) multiplied by Fibonacci #, 144 is 111456 (3456)…
That is a 100% Quantum Anagram Match with my arithmetic equation of 3V6
V=9
The Implosion based Hydro-Magnetic-Electric-Vortex Wave, via Cavitation of Ion’s Creates Sonoluminescence, as Exclusion Zones (EZ’s) separate (+) and (-) charge…
Sonoluminescent Intelligence…!
CONSCIOUSNESS…
Electricity from Water…
My numbers make water…
I have drawn them on my wall as Glorious Murals of Art, from my mind to my hand, I threw culture out…
It’s creepy… Hahaha, Know Thy Self!
can art describe or influence human experience of will?
Brilliant!
Overcoming these biases learned through the social envrionment is a great pointer to the value of inner engineering, the process of individuation, and other paths of self-inquiry.
Rambling gibberish
@@maxwellsimoes238 Any concept sounds gibberish to those that don't understand it... it's not a critique; like a language can seem gibberish.
'Nonsense' on the other hand, I assure you it is not that either-- if only you knew!
@@maxwellsimoes238 or maybe you have a poor vocabulary
Art? It seems to be about visual facial biases and a perception of a just world being related in the brain.
art, culture, and environmental variables can have an effect on self even prior to its conception...
Wow what is it? Ancient greece Culture Born though brains five sense . NOW it is absurd believes it is abstract baseless speculations.
@@maxwellsimoes238 what happened to phich :)
I only added the environment(phich included) to the mix... art and culture was part of the discussion...
Sorry, but this conversation is borderline ridiculous; neural scientists ‘exploring’, doing instrumentalizing research experiments on/of ART :))
Nah
Art is feeble to necessity, the human ffa maps disfigured faces differently because mapping faces requires social learning as does triangulation, which is rapidly acquired. Really what the brain learns is that political deception is both important and gives you an emotional high - which is the highest high, higher than anything else. Nobody would turn down the ring of gyges for that very reason - it's the ultimate drug. Si latet ares, prodest
CTT, could you interview Deirdre Carabine, concering Negative Theology and here book, 'The Unknown God'.
But there is no real self...
Sounds like “programming… I love it… But, it allows First Principle Thinking to “break” it down but by bit to the foundational Brick… I’m betting on “short-circuited” perception, due to culture… it’s horrible… If you go on the deep end in think in “precession” time frames, culture supposedly takes 600-650 years to change… I don’t believe that for a second… And with Quantum AI’s like CharGPT4, Cultures will be changing in less than a “decade”…
That’s why “Ultra-Far-Right-Winger’s” have gotten “anti-Semitic,” etc. They “tried” to stop progress, by keeping everyone and everything in “dark (Lacking Knowledge/Light) Ages”…
Didn’t work…
The Heart of God is Love… And Love is a Frequency, 528 Hz to be exact…
526x6= 3168 (Half of one electric Vedic Swastika circuit… And, according to some who are very, very sharp say that the “New Jerusalem” Geometry equals 31680…
That’s a Harmonic of my electric circuit I stumbled across… Then turned i realized it is a Turing machine, based on Sound…
Fix perception and have 20/20 vision…
Infinite Sight…
The Goose Is Laid Its Golden Egg”…
INTELLIGENCE!!!…!!!
If you hand somebody the Bible, Upanishads, or the Vedas, they're not going to be able to 'get it', especially without the proper preceptor. It requires discipline, time, effort, and a prerequisite of having a sense of honor & reverence for life & truth, and a drive from within to see it through so grasping the deep meanings and truths of life which already are obscured by the lower mind -- this is what I question here, concerning this innate reverence and drive within a man so seeking or seeking to Know thyself, what causes this, why have others not discovered the 'inner journey' ?
The arts make visible something that is beyond the apprehension of the finite mind: unity, symmetry, symphony, harmony, bliss, grace, joy, meaning, relations, balance, beauty, Wisdom and a subtle touch of Intuition everybody Knows, everybody 'see's, like a reminder or recollection of something forgotten, something Spiritual.
We can make instruments for vibrations and sounds, but the harmony, symphony and melody are already there, the instruments really are a medium in connecting two seeming disconnected worlds.
It's incredible. Folks, we're part of something beyond inredible and we have to acknowledge this as the ancients have. They passed their test, we're the class of 21st century, and it's not good.
Can you translate that meaningless stream of new age waffle into plain English?
@@chrisgale5634 the new aged stuff as in: quantum, quarks, string theory, big bangs, relativity, light particles dualties, light particles, atomism, nihilism, and without any actual embryonic system so debating thus strengthening said system.. Nope, I don't part take in bullshit.
They want to remove the Primordial Cause and Essence because they are incapable of counting it, so these modern scientists decided to base the measurement of ALL from themselves.
Yup. You're one of them, right ^
@S3RAVA3LM what primordial cause? If you mean the supernatural, there is no more evidence for that than there is for fairies and leprechauns living at the bottom of my garden. You can make up lots of fancy quasi mystical mumbo-jumbo, and it would sound half decent in a fantasy novel or a Marvel comic movie. Other than that, it is just a string of made up waffle!
Woowoo
The curse on mankind, science, humanity, future generations and human civilisation promised to build human civilisation!
what a curse! what a promise!
Brains are not the Self
Guys shows there art when see it but there arent art too. It is lacking neurosicience standard proceedings. Guys in art point in his view figure out are showing him has squizofrenic .
This is starting to sound like a bunch of psycho babbling. Geez, life ain't that complicated.
Shame on the irrational thief apes, but how can who has no morals, no values, no principles, no minds, nothing related to mankind know the meaning of shame?!
what a curse!