I had this card in my Pentium 2 266 system. I found that running games in software mode was significantly faster then running in "3D accelerated " mode.
Haha i have this one, found it in an old retro machine and was like: "what a waste of AGP space" Does not even produce a clear sharp 2D video signal. Well good to have it, to show ppl what they (didnt) miss(ed) back then. Thanks for your excellent videos on old vintage cards. Good research and professional footage. Thumbs up! Your channel should have plenty thousand subscribers already.
I built hundreds of Pentium class systems back in the day for customers at our Uptech Computers store and the appetite for paying 300 for a video card just wasn’t there. So we sold a lot of basic Trident cards. The 3D ones did disappoint. Most just used them for 2D and ignored the hardware acceleration. I know I did. I was programming in DirectDraw and a bit of Direct3D back in the day using retained mode and the HW acceleration was a joke. 1995 to 1997 was mostly about software rendering.
nothing wrong with Trident ... i had a 1991 Trident 8900C 1meg ISA card in my 1992 386 later upgraded to dx4100 with 16 edo ram and i could play any games from 1992-1996 even Red alert and quake 1 plus duke nukem 3d ran great without a single problem.... later now on utube i find out that Trident were some of the slowest cards but in the mid 90s the video card just sent the picture to the screen at gave you the 256 colours , it ran 640 by 460 fine good for warcraft 2 and all those FMV games like Full throttle.... late 90s was a waste of money for graphics cards so buggy better to just miss it
In 1997 my dad bought a Sony VAIO P200MMX system with an integrated ATI RAGE II+ 2MB. It was a frickin' potato. I later bought a PowerVR PCX2 accelerator and it was barely any better. I then saved up enough to get a Riva TNT PCI. Now that changed the 3D paradigm for me. This era began my addiction to framerates and forged me into the PCMR member I am now. Good times!
These videos are actually quite nice and interesting. Will you also test cards that didn't suck, like the Rendition Vérité V1000 or the PowerVR PCX1? And what about the 1.5th (2nd generation is Voodoo 2 and TNT etc. in my opinion) generation cards, such as the Virge GX2, Vérité V2000, PowerVR PCX2, Rage Pro, Riva 128?
If i get them....For example Verite 1000 or PCX1 is almost impossible for me to get, because they never been sold in my country (or only few did) and theyre too rare now. I borrowed recetly from one lucky guy PCX2, so that card will be my next video. Will create for these new channel named Rare video cards (because these are not so bad). Also have from him ultra rare Videologic Neon 250 on AGP and Trident Blade XP. So im planning doing some recording with them too, before i return them....
I had the Verite 1000e by way of 3rd party it was sold as a Screaming 3D sold by Sierra, aka Sierra online, that gave us such classic games like Leisure Suit Larry and back then licensed accelerators and DVD drives oddly. I had it hooked up with a 128 bit windows card (2d) made by either Trident or S3. The optimized Quake that came with the card was very tasty. Many games came with it, demos and what not and one feature promoted by most were voxels. It came with a few games that made use of voxel terrain. I would not see voxel terrain again until this decade and mostly in Unity engine games.
Another cracking video, thanks guys. It does a surprisingly good job on Final Reality except for the frame rate. I believe the 9750 chip was developed with RAMBUS memory, and that they were horribly unstable. It looks like they had to switch to standard memory for production models, which would explain the underclocking, and probably the rushed drivers, too.
That looks like overheating artefacts - the fact that he first displayed the textures and then not also indicates this. That's why they were probably running at a lower frequency, at the nominal one it needed a cooler.
I still have this old piece of wood here at home, I just haven't a machine to try it out again only for fun! I didn't use to run games by then, except for Doom and Quake, later I bought another machine that came with a Trident Blade 3D 8mb and it ran most games pretty well at 640x480... in Unreal I had to turn multitextures off, but that was ok!
I've had TI 9750 AGP in my very first PC. Never used 3d acceleration with it. It was simply too slow and/or glitchy. Yet I had good time gaming in software rendering. I've changaed that card when games started requiring D3D to run.
It looks like the texture coordinates are calculated using integer values, and they shake like PlayStation 1 polygons :). I wonder if there is some PC GPU for that time, that also calculates vertex positions using integers... that way it would look just like a PS1.
Yeah that card is legendary thanks to how shitty it is. I still remember how people were pissed when they bought this card and only to find out that Software Mode (if the game has it) runs the game way better in terms of looks and performance talk about money wasted.
I have a TGUI9680-1. I'll be honest, I like it for some reason! Populated the VRAM expansion sockets using DRAM i pinched out of random crap (like old IDE optical drives). A shame linux hates this thing.
15fps was standard framerate back then, the common DOS resolution was like 320 by 200 or 320 by 240 (single field progressive) it was an era of CRT. 15fps was fine on CRT.
It really wasn't fine, though doubtless many people were stuck in that range when the likes of Doom and Quake came out. Most 2D games had much more modest target hardware though, so I'd hardly say 15fps was standard in any way. More like people put up with it just because 3D was so novel at the time, and high end PCs so unattainable.
What I hate about drivers, they work as of no good, but what is the worse, keeping it going that way. As if the person that installed it was possessed. I had ATi Xper@play and I had to go back for the compatible driver. I saw weird display.
There was nothing standard about it. The reason most early 3D cards ran at low framerates was because 3D acceleration for PCs was a new thing that was still developing, and the reason why people played at those framerates was because 3D acceleration for PCs was new and revolutionary and the higher end 3D accelerators were expensive. If high framerates could easily be achieved with any GPU, then nobody would even think at playing at those framerates
Trident was nown to offer low end and cheap vga cards, but this one is a shame. This really was a 3d decellerator instead of accelerator :-) You should compare it with the SIS 3D Pro just for fun:-)
There is only one card that can compete with the slowness and lack of features of the 9750: the Matrox Mystique (g100). That card could only generate a 3d image with polygones (no textures xD). Though it was great for 2d apps.
Nope... Crysis System Requirements (Minimum) VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. TOTAL VIDEO RAM: 256 MB 3D: Yes HARDWARE T&L: Yes PIXEL SHADER: 2.0 VERTEX SHADER: 2.0 DIRECTX VERSION: 9.0c (included) Thats why i choosed Unreal, it was Crysis of its time, most older cards were useless.
@@vgamuseum I know this card, it has glorious 3D name in it but weak as hell. I had it in my collection but never test it and get rid of it later on, I bought it because isn't common in my country. Anyway Trident isn't my cup of tee too. For 2D I prefer Tseng or Matrox but for 3D you probably know...
My first pc, a laptop with a Pentium mmx had one of these gpus. It couldn't run anything 3d unless in software window mode at a very low resolution, of course all colours were fucked up. At least 2d was fine and let me play starcraft.
😁 iam testing this card right now and now i know there is no textures in 3dmark99. So card is not broken. Card is just bad 🤣 My model is VideoExcel AG110G 3Dimage9750, drivers v5424, Windows 98SE and DX8.1 installed. 3DMark99 - 332 score 🤣
Hmm, a video with "the worst" in the title, 10 times the views than subscribers AND it was recommended to me, who never heard about you till now. Yep, you're blowing up.
This card is pure trash and an insult to videogames. It's almost offensive to put it in a build and then benchmark it. This is like taste testing distilled water lol. Man Trident rings a bad bell for me because I used some of their graphics chips in various, all of them were bottlenecking the otherwise very slow pc
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I had this card in my Pentium 2 266 system. I found that running games in software mode was significantly faster then running in "3D accelerated " mode.
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Exactly same... I played Brian Lara Cricket 99 back then and for everyone having this game it ran better on Software...
yes and why this artifacts in the half life ? i played a lot of times whitout any glitch
Haha i have this one, found it in an old retro machine and was like: "what a waste of AGP space" Does not even produce a clear sharp 2D video signal. Well good to have it, to show ppl what they (didnt) miss(ed) back then. Thanks for your excellent videos on old vintage cards. Good research and professional footage. Thumbs up! Your channel should have plenty thousand subscribers already.
I could watch these videos all day long. Its exactly what I want/need/enjoy.
I built hundreds of Pentium class systems back in the day for customers at our Uptech Computers store and the appetite for paying 300 for a video card just wasn’t there. So we sold a lot of basic Trident cards. The 3D ones did disappoint. Most just used them for 2D and ignored the hardware acceleration. I know I did. I was programming in DirectDraw and a bit of Direct3D back in the day using retained mode and the HW acceleration was a joke. 1995 to 1997 was mostly about software rendering.
nothing wrong with Trident ... i had a 1991 Trident 8900C 1meg ISA card in my 1992 386 later upgraded to dx4100 with 16 edo ram and i could play any games from 1992-1996 even Red alert and quake 1 plus duke nukem 3d ran great without a single problem.... later now on utube i find out that Trident were some of the slowest cards but in the mid 90s the video card just sent the picture to the screen at gave you the 256 colours , it ran 640 by 460 fine good for warcraft 2 and all those FMV games like Full throttle.... late 90s was a waste of money for graphics cards so buggy better to just miss it
In 1997 my dad bought a Sony VAIO P200MMX system with an integrated ATI RAGE II+ 2MB. It was a frickin' potato. I later bought a PowerVR PCX2 accelerator and it was barely any better. I then saved up enough to get a Riva TNT PCI. Now that changed the 3D paradigm for me. This era began my addiction to framerates and forged me into the PCMR member I am now. Good times!
JohnnyNismo hail Pc Master Race :V /
These 2D card companies sure made a lot of panic products back then when 3D accelerators came along. They just couldn't figure it out.
These videos are actually quite nice and interesting. Will you also test cards that didn't suck, like the Rendition Vérité V1000 or the PowerVR PCX1?
And what about the 1.5th (2nd generation is Voodoo 2 and TNT etc. in my opinion) generation cards, such as the Virge GX2, Vérité V2000, PowerVR PCX2, Rage Pro, Riva 128?
If i get them....For example Verite 1000 or PCX1 is almost impossible for me to get, because they never been sold in my country (or only few did) and theyre too rare now. I borrowed recetly from one lucky guy PCX2, so that card will be my next video. Will create for these new channel named Rare video cards (because these are not so bad). Also have from him ultra rare Videologic Neon 250 on AGP and Trident Blade XP. So im planning doing some recording with them too, before i return them....
Btw RIVA128 wont be covered for sure, because someone already did much better review.....:-)
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I had the Verite 1000e by way of 3rd party it was sold as a Screaming 3D sold by Sierra, aka Sierra online, that gave us such classic games like Leisure Suit Larry and back then licensed accelerators and DVD drives oddly. I had it hooked up with a 128 bit windows card (2d) made by either Trident or S3. The optimized Quake that came with the card was very tasty. Many games came with it, demos and what not and one feature promoted by most were voxels. It came with a few games that made use of voxel terrain. I would not see voxel terrain again until this decade and mostly in Unity engine games.
Great to see such a thorough history of Trident, thanks :)
It was not that bad. But Unreal hurt my heart. Knowing what this looks like with Glide, with reflections, butter smooth, and THIS! Not even Textures!
Another cracking video, thanks guys. It does a surprisingly good job on Final Reality except for the frame rate. I believe the 9750 chip was developed with RAMBUS memory, and that they were horribly unstable. It looks like they had to switch to standard memory for production models, which would explain the underclocking, and probably the rushed drivers, too.
That looks like overheating artefacts - the fact that he first displayed the textures and then not also indicates this. That's why they were probably running at a lower frequency, at the nominal one it needed a cooler.
I really like your videos!
9:07 The helicopter rotors were a SQUARE on the 3DImage?! I'm so plagued!
Does running low res help with it not losing textures? also does Fraps being disabled make any difference?
I still have this old piece of wood here at home, I just haven't a machine to try it out again only for fun! I didn't use to run games by then, except for Doom and Quake, later I bought another machine that came with a Trident Blade 3D 8mb and it ran most games pretty well at 640x480... in Unreal I had to turn multitextures off, but that was ok!
I thought 9750 had 8mb memory?
so glad this was autosuggested to me
How do you compare competetively with similiar noOpenGL cards, that were in lowend in 1997...
Ati Rage II
and
S3 Virge DX?
I've had TI 9750 AGP in my very first PC. Never used 3d acceleration with it. It was simply too slow and/or glitchy. Yet I had good time gaming in software rendering. I've changaed that card when games started requiring D3D to run.
It looks like the texture coordinates are calculated using integer values, and they shake like PlayStation 1 polygons :). I wonder if there is some PC GPU for that time, that also calculates vertex positions using integers... that way it would look just like a PS1.
I had a Trident VGA card once, it was in my old 286.
One of these days I hope to see one of the sad decelerator cards panic and go into full wireframe mode to keep the FPS up.
My beloved Unreal is butchered! Nooooo!!
Yeah that card is legendary thanks to how shitty it is. I still remember how people were pissed when they bought this card and only to find out that Software Mode (if the game has it) runs the game way better in terms of looks and performance talk about money wasted.
The GT 210 of its day lol
I have a TGUI9680-1. I'll be honest, I like it for some reason!
Populated the VRAM expansion sockets using DRAM i pinched out of random crap (like old IDE optical drives). A shame linux hates this thing.
It wasn't good at 2D either.
My 9 Year Old self tried to play Hidden and Dangerous on this thing which I got as a gift.... First great life shock
Did they do affline texture mapping to cut corners? It sure looks very PS1-ish to me.
Trident TVGA9000 also supported VESA, I had one.
my matrox g200 8 mb memory eats this thing alive!
Oh well, at least there was Croc soundtrack this time ;)
15fps was standard framerate back then, the common DOS resolution was like 320 by 200 or 320 by 240 (single field progressive) it was an era of CRT. 15fps was fine on CRT.
It really wasn't fine, though doubtless many people were stuck in that range when the likes of Doom and Quake came out. Most 2D games had much more modest target hardware though, so I'd hardly say 15fps was standard in any way. More like people put up with it just because 3D was so novel at the time, and high end PCs so unattainable.
What I hate about drivers, they work as of no good, but what is the worse, keeping it going that way. As if the person that installed it was possessed. I had ATi Xper@play and I had to go back for the compatible driver. I saw weird display.
Now I want you to compare denovo drm performance against this graphics card trident
Pls remember back in the 90s fps standard was 15 to 20fps
There was nothing standard about it. The reason most early 3D cards ran at low framerates was because 3D acceleration for PCs was a new thing that was still developing, and the reason why people played at those framerates was because 3D acceleration for PCs was new and revolutionary and the higher end 3D accelerators were expensive. If high framerates could easily be achieved with any GPU, then nobody would even think at playing at those framerates
Geez even for the early 90s 1mb is freaking LOW. Lol recording fraps a like the highest 8 frames per second
Now I know how Unreal would look like on the SNES with Super FX chip lol
Trident was nown to offer low end and cheap vga cards, but this one is a shame. This really was a 3d decellerator instead of accelerator :-) You should compare it with the SIS 3D Pro just for fun:-)
18:10
That draw distance.
There is only one card that can compete with the slowness and lack of features of the 9750: the Matrox Mystique (g100). That card could only generate a 3d image with polygones (no textures xD). Though it was great for 2d apps.
No lo puedo creer el bajo rendimiento de esta tarjeta, tambien la tengo, pero me pregunto si la 3D Blade de Trident fue lo mejor que saco esta marca?
Si
But, does it run crysis?
Nope...
Crysis System Requirements (Minimum)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported.
TOTAL VIDEO RAM: 256 MB
3D: Yes
HARDWARE T&L: Yes
PIXEL SHADER: 2.0
VERTEX SHADER: 2.0
DIRECTX VERSION: 9.0c (included)
Thats why i choosed Unreal, it was Crysis of its time, most older cards were useless.
vlaskcz this was 1) satire and 2) of course it runs with a decent software rendered stack ;-)
I assume some were driver bugs, rather than pure hardware issues.
you deserves nobel prize in best video about worse graphics card
And you haven't seen worst yet. Have one that will be crowned as worst of them all. This one is in comparsion fine working piece of hardware :-)
@@vgamuseum so what's worst apart from trident to mass media iyo?
@@PROSTO4Tabal This thing....should never been released.... ruclips.net/p/PLOeoPVvEK8fubkcZctG20fBVYn2fynUaa
@@vgamuseum I know this card, it has glorious 3D name in it but weak as hell. I had it in my collection but never test it and get rid of it later on, I bought it because isn't common in my country. Anyway Trident isn't my cup of tee too. For 2D I prefer Tseng or Matrox but for 3D you probably know...
Works Grate in my 486-DX2 66Mhz ROFL
What driver you have use?
Omg.. this game killing screaming civil pedestrians and dogs by car is the sickest i have ever seen.
can i pair this with a voodoo 2 8mb
Yep, that smooth smooth 15 fps. :p
just as bad as the s3 virge but the s3 virge is better than the trident for 2d
But the human eye can't see more than 15fps....
makes your pc games look like ps1 games
Yeah playing with a trident you don't realize that you're supposed to see through water until you go to a friend's house haha
this remind me cybernet
My first pc, a laptop with a Pentium mmx had one of these gpus. It couldn't run anything 3d unless in software window mode at a very low resolution, of course all colours were fucked up. At least 2d was fine and let me play starcraft.
That was a horror show, am soooo glad my first 3D card was a Riva 128 on a PIII 400, thank heaven I didn't have to put up with that.
oh I thought this was a 2D card
😁 iam testing this card right now and now i know there is no textures in 3dmark99. So card is not broken. Card is just bad 🤣 My model is VideoExcel AG110G 3Dimage9750, drivers v5424, Windows 98SE and DX8.1 installed. 3DMark99 - 332 score 🤣
Hmm, a video with "the worst" in the title, 10 times the views than subscribers AND it was recommended to me, who never heard about you till now. Yep, you're blowing up.
wow, that's shitty indeed...
my onboard chip from 1998 on a cheap motherboard was better than that...
I bought this card for half of an eur,, now I'm hoping someone would buy me for a full euro. \o/
Teď už opravdu uvažuji o stavbě vtg gaming pc :/
I had one in 1998. But it was with TV out. And TV out was only reason. Card was junk
I use to own two Trident card.. dam I got con thinking it was a real 3D "gamer" card. :##fail##
This card is pure trash and an insult to videogames. It's almost offensive to put it in a build and then benchmark it. This is like taste testing distilled water lol. Man Trident rings a bad bell for me because I used some of their graphics chips in various, all of them were bottlenecking the otherwise very slow pc
what a crappy card i had a diamond monster voodoo1
Can it run Crysis?
even the intel 815 igp is better :V
Now that is a real pile of shite
sry i mean blades lol
Reeeee-va 😂
saying pc master race would be upset by that card, is like saying
they are upset in 2018 because the GTX 1030 exists....... stupid af...