00:00:00 Intro 00:04:34 Todd Click's media statement 00:08:10 Quick recap 00:13:05 State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress 00:17:46 What the Prosecution says the Defense's Claims should be backed up by 00:20:40 Prosecution says the defense says inflammatory things 00:25:30 What time was RA on the trail that day? 00:30:30 What did people say about RA? 00:33:30 Libby's phone was "pinging around town" until 2 AM ? 00:44:44 Minimum info necessary to establish Probable Cause 00:42:25 The only suspect so far, tentacles 00:47:45 He has never said he is innocent, he has instead confessed 00:55:40 Concerns about cameras as listed by prosecution 01:02:03 Prosecution worried about RUclips shorts, deep fakes and how they will be perceived 01:06:12 Breaking has tablet and eating paper 01:13:45 The media wants cameras, of course (so do we, right?!) 01:17:37 The Delphi case and community 01:20:32 Outro PREVIOUS DEEP DIVE TO CHECK OUT: ruclips.net/user/liveoueiIpc9G3g?feature=share FULL CASE PLAYLIST: ruclips.net/p/PL0cYrgj38mhqf6UT9nFG4-Udu1_E91CkY
Finally someone states the obvious, we don’t all have to agree. That is always the biggest turn off for me on cases like this. People take it as a personal attack if you don’t agree.
Yes. I don’t understand why people are questioning law enforcement before the trial starts. The odds that Odin’s did this is slim to none. There may be some corruption but corruption isn’t easy to hide when you have multiple agencies working on the same case.
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Judge Diener specifically said he and his family were being threatened (one of the reason he recused himself). Now that i think about it, who threatened him? Why would the "public" threaten him so soon after the arrest? A perp that the entire world had been ready to see brought to justice? Diener hadn't made any major decisions on the case yet. I had thought that odd back then to think he had already received threats...
I thought it odd then but brushed it off. Now I'm suspecting there may not have been threats solely from that very public that had scared him...Odinists? Maybe...
I’m a court clerk in Florida and we had Court TV film one of our trials. They were unintrusive. You didn’t even notice them once you work the trial. I think you are right, the prosecution does not want to be on the world stage perhaps because they are personally nervous ? Like camera shy? I don’t know. He acts like this would be the first time cameras are allowed in any courtroom nationwide.
Or, the DA realizes that [allegedly, possibly] Richard Allen is bat-spit crazy and his lawyers are prone to spreading tabloid nonsense and calling it facts. I'm real skeptical of everything about this case so...no offense. I have no clue anymore. It just gets weirder and weirder.
@@macrograms Even if what you say is true, that the DA is crazy & his lawyers spread tabloid nonsense, why is that a legitimate reason to not have cameras ?
I think the prosecution doesnt want the cameras because they are doing some shady crap and dont want people like this group seeing straight through their lies and BS....
@christielarocco2007 I agree. I'm sorry but their over obsessiveness at trying to keep everything from the public is really starting to make the public question their motives and if they are doing everything legally. Why are they so obsessed with hiding everything? I get the pre-trial stuff, but the actual trial should be allowed to have cameras in it. It's very suspicious that they are so against it. It makes them look like the guilty party with something to hide, while the defense wants it all out in the open for the public to see.
@@GrumpyKayAgree! We the tax payers have a right to know justice is being served. This current secrecy trend seems in direct proportion to the quality of LE investigations. Very disturbing. If RA’s prosecutors had the slam dunk, ethically collected evidence they claim why the secrecy? The constant need to blind justice?
I think every trial should be televised as to be transparent about the process. I also think that giving a witness the chance to testify off camera is a fair compromise. A person is innocent until proven guilty and it’s sad that some have forgotten that fact. Thanks for the video.
I think you’re so right on point G , no need to argue about anything.. let’s focus that energy to the victims getting justice instead. 😊 we can soak up that information and form our opinions and wait until justice is served. ❤ Right ? 😊
Thank you so much time stamps ! You’re extra work, focus on victims and attention to detail is so appreciated 🥂❤️ Other channels could, and should, learn from you.
I missed the livestream yesterday as I was sitting on an actual jury! It was fascinating and I couldn't help but think of Gisela and the Grizzlies. After so many hours of watching trials online and on TV, I could really appreciate how well -- and how badly -- both sides did in presenting their case. Great experience.
Pat brown is ridiculous, she's as close minded as they come! I really warmed up to John Kelly after he said something very insightful that I've never heard any other profiler discuss.
I think it's incredibly interesting,that the Defense wants the cameras in the courtroom,while the Prosecution does not..😏 I'm not sure I've ever seen that before!
I truly don’t understand why the state or prosecution would object if the defendant himself wants cameras in his own case. They can’t argue that it will cause an unfair trial because he is requesting it himself… and why is this defendant in prison when he hasn’t even been convicted yet? What makes him different than anyone else?
"Allen called his wife, Kathy Allen, one document states. “In that phone call, Richard M. Allen admits several times that he killed Abby and Libby,” according to the document.Jun 29, 2023" If he hadn't told what he wore, if people hadn't seen him wearing it, and if there wasn't a video of him wearing it... I might believe he could be innocent... but I don't.
RA’s attorneys filed with the coirts yesterday stating the prosecution has not been giving them information and then did a data dump on them that will take months to go through. NM is not playing by the rules.
You are one of the few who knows enough to have an informed opinion. There was weirdness suggested long before the defense report, and I think people forget that.
There's been so many big cases with cameras in the courtroom, the camera points at the Judge and the witness chair, they don't have to show any of the autopsies, or the families. The state is being unreasonable. The public has the right to see all court cases, to make sure they're having a fair trial.
I am a new fan, and I just love your thoroughness and in-depth analysis. Your deep dives are awesome! I live about an hour or so from Delphi, so I am very interested in this case.
The prosecution, law enforcement brought the defense theory on themselves. When Richard Allen was arrested, the prosecutor, law enforcement said there could be others involved, investigation is still on going. This opened the door for the defense to claim others did it, not their client Richard Allen. My opinion is the prosecutor, law enforcement F...... this up. The state prosecutor, law enforcement have introduced reasonable doubt, they pretty much handled this theory to the defense on a silver platter.
I disagree ! RA is BG and they can prove that but they can not say if he murdered the girls on his own or had help (either to lure them as much as killing them and staging them)
Well that's because law enforcement knows this and was implying it. Almost certainly it was more than one person. We shouldn't lament a fair trial. If he isn't guilty, which I don't think he is, I want him to walk.
@@aaronjustice9020 You're entitled to your opinion, I feel the opposite, the video, he said he was at the bridge the day of the crime, unspent bullet matching his gun. On his wife's Facebook page, there's a picture of him playing pool, wearing a beanie cap. "Before the murders" If you compare this beanie cap, with pictures of bridge bridge guy head cover, there's indentations that look identical in the beanie cap itself.
The way you clipped him walking at the beginning of this intro next to whoever the man on the bridge is... Amazing work G. Thank you for all you do for us. There is Nobody more detailed and organized than you if he had his phone what do his phone records show? I can't get over the fact they are saying there are no pictures of finding this bullet at the crime scene. Why? If someiis found and bagged for evidence it is photographed. The 🐰 hole 🕳️ is getting deeper.
Excellent analysis as usual. Although IMO the initial investigation by the police was clearly lost-at-sea, they bounced around clinging to various theories, showing different sketches, chased down many rabbit holes involving complicated theories, until one person said 'let's go back to basics' and he had the guy within days. What went wrong? The suspect worked in local CVS and the various police agencies must have been in and out of that place over the years; didn't they look at their own sketch? It reminds me of the Yorkshire Ripper investigation in the UK in the 1980s where police literally became submerged in their own investigation.
They should have cameras in the court. Look at how the prisoner looks from how he did from day one. What’s going on in prison? Torture? Not guilty until proven 😮
Just like I said about Kohbergers trial, cameras would help dispel rumors and myths. Put the whole trial out there so people can see for themselves what is going on.
What the defense is doing has nothing to do with "sensationalism". Anyone who understands the law and the criminal justice system knows that a defense attorney must defend his/her client aggressively and with zeal until the bitter end. The burden of proof rests solely on the STATE to prove guilt beyond a "reasonable doubt". On the other hand, the defense does not have to prove that their client is innocent, or "not guilty". The defense achieves this by "poking holes" in the State's case...and by CREATING "reasonable doubt" in the State's case, by any means legally permissible, e.g., by introducing alternative scenarios, other possible suspects, etc., even if such alternative scenarios and other possible suspects are far-fetched and unsubstantiated. And that's exactly what the defense is doing in this case. It all boils down to how gullible and naive...or intelligent and sophisticated...the individual jurors are. All the defense needs is just ONE juror to vote "not guilty" in order to reach a "hung jury", at which point the State must then decide whether or not to start from scratch and re-try the case. And let's face it...a lot of it depends on the forcefulness, salesmanship, and gamesmanship of the opposing parties involved.
Mmm - I dont have a good feeling about this one. I am wondering if RA is gonna make it to trial. Also - how is it possible there is no photograph of the unspent bullet found at the crime scene?? Extremely sus
One thing is could make sense why Libby’s dad NEVER spoke a work publicly about the case. Now the fact that odinism being involved could make sense? Also if you listen to things said way back about how complex and how involved this case is , then Richard being the killer makes zero sense to me. Doug Carter also says the community is going to be shocked when they learn the facts of this case ?
It is weird that Libby's father never said anything. And Doug Carter with his cryptic riddles, seemed like he was trying to write a thriller, not solve a crime.
The bridge is TWO MILES through the woods- not on a trail… from where the bodies were found- let that sink in- the amount of time to trudge that for 3 people!
We need to know the facts and the people need to know what happened to protect society. If there is a cycle of getting girls to meet somewhere and do bad things to them the public deserves to know. Tony, and the owner of the land have been violent to women in their lives., and kegan wanted to stay with his dad. This Elvis that spit on one of the girls is really sick and if he can do that he is likely to do more and if they found stuff at his house it’s there.
I've learned from past cases, and now manage to stay unbiased. It's not always easy, I'm fairly critical of the court and how both this case and Kohberger's have been handled but I think both cases could go either way.
I'm going to wait to hear the evidence presented at trial, not all the BS theories brought forward by the defense team that don't have to follow the rules of evidence.
In my opinion, Richard Allen led the girls down the hill, and there was someone else there waiting to murder them. Of course, Allen could have helped. I just pray for justice for Libby and Abby, and I hope it comes soon.
I think he'd of talked by now if that was the case. Given the state and treatment he's been receiving I don't think they'd go to the lengths to say what they are saying, if someone else was involved.
Good point about "down the hill" btw! The sides of the bank sloping around the bridge appear waaaay too steep to go down. They would to have had to go down the ridge a ways until it had a slope that was able to be hiked down wouldn't they? I've not seen any sleuths trying to locate the part of the Hill they went down to get to the river.
I agree with the Idin angle 100%. I sent the tipline a lot of evidence five plus years ago. I tipped an Odinist over 7 times and submitted new material evidence everytime. I didn't know one of the three cops was murdered by a CZo and now Cluck is changing his story Theyve threatened his lufe and his family's too. It doesn't take a genius. Thanks gor sll yoh fo. Uourey very favorite RUclipsr!!
It kinda makes sense to me. This guy admitted he was there the Sametime the girls were. His statements he made when helping the police in a interview put him there. Then if he was walking in that area they not only can get a ping from his phone but the victims as well. That could put them in close proximity of eachother. There is alot more in this case then the police are giving out. After being a cop and Detective for over 20 years I believe they got him. I believe there are others outstanding but I'm sure once the trial comes out the police got him. Plus he hasn't made a huge deal about being innocent? Seems his Attorney's are putting up a fight over the evidence taken from his house. If it wasn't something good they wouldn't even fight it that hard. The police got good evidence out of that house. I'm totally comfortable with old allen being locked up for good.
Maybe Richard Allen is just not that bright, or he’s very arrogant and thinks LE would never suspect him. Also, he may have kept the gun and jacket, but he didn’t keep the knife, as far as we know.
Yes! I found this episode interesting. I have followed this case closely. In my opinion, were it not for Anthony Greeno's efforts, the case would have died.
If you look at from the point of view that previous to 2017, RA seemed to be lacking in direction in his life. From 2017 onward, he began the training and job which put him up a step in society (2018 CVS where he was in a position of high trust, and had access to people’s information and drug supply). You could see how someone like RA in or prior to 2017 would have been vulnerable to influence, and during/after 2017 appeared to have risen up. It could be innocent, but the memory of Alex Cox is still fresh in my mind so it’s a reminder that circumstances can rise where outside influence is more likely to affect someone to commit horrendous things as a way to gain power within a group that has twisted the good messages within a religion toward their own deviant uses. Because what we’ve been shown does seem ritualistic or symbolic. Connected, could be lack of blood (or much less than expected). It’s possible the killers slit the girls throats and collected their blood in a bucket for later use (as horrible as that is to contemplate 😞). I know it has been said the girls died on the 13th, but if you look up Feb 14th, it is related to the feast of Vali, which is related to positive things, but at its core is related to “rightful vengeance” and the story of Vali, son of Loki is actually about murder for revenge and is a gruesome scene involving two victims. I think given this information, and the fact that the murder scene ‘appears’ symbolic/ritualistic/vengeful, it would be important to look at who in the girls circle could have been a target and … in 2017 Libby’s dad had just got out of jail for dealing in meth, and would have had contact with a number of nasty people who could have wanted revenge on him, or a gain in power for themselves for whatever reason. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but all these things add up to a potential scenario of what happened. Back to RA ….. If we can trust the forensics, either he was there at the scene, (and his bullet left there while intimidating the girls), or in a turn of extremely unfortunate events, he had been there in the past, and the bullet cycled through his gun and got dropped in the exact location, right between the two girls where they were found. And his voice sounds a close match to bridge guy. And he was there at that time and date. And he was wearing the same clothes as bridge guy. I think he was involved and all things considered, it doesn’t seem that likely he could just be being framed.
Totally agree. Great analysis. I fully believe he led them to slaughter and there was at least one other person in the bushes. He did ask if anyone else was arrested too
It supposedly passes once at 127pm. It never did twice. Also other stores have cameras in town, but only one cam seen a black car? So different compared to Idaho 4 murders.
It's so obvious that this is so true. Thanks for saying so. He has been treated As a convicted prisoner. He has been treated as such for long time. He looks like he needs a hospital for safe keeping now.
Just noticed if it was the pagan group !) it has been said it was on the 13th ,one of the girls is 13 ) the date that is important to the pagan group is 14th Feb for Valentines day) .It is a date they celebrate ,.the other girl is 14 ) this is 13/14 .I feel they were caught on the 13th afternoon but taken to somewhere close by .Could have been the land belonging to Logan near the river .Then the killing, or sacrificial ritual done as soon as it was 14th after midnight .This would be quiet ,so easier to do without people walking the trail .Because i cant see it being done in the daylight when children had the day off school and so many people on the trail .KK spoke to the girls online to meet as the Shot person fishing for the girls that day 13th who thought they would meet this male model instead of the fatty KK .OMG
@37:30. it only takes about 20 seconds to place a round in a magazine and eject that round from Richard Allen’s firearm. It’s happened many times before during “searches” This is where I believe Tony Liggett should go to prison.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:04:34 Todd Click's media statement
00:08:10 Quick recap
00:13:05 State's Objection to Defendant's Motion to Suppress
00:17:46 What the Prosecution says the Defense's Claims should be backed up by
00:20:40 Prosecution says the defense says inflammatory things
00:25:30 What time was RA on the trail that day?
00:30:30 What did people say about RA?
00:33:30 Libby's phone was "pinging around town" until 2 AM ?
00:44:44 Minimum info necessary to establish Probable Cause
00:42:25 The only suspect so far, tentacles
00:47:45 He has never said he is innocent, he has instead confessed
00:55:40 Concerns about cameras as listed by prosecution
01:02:03 Prosecution worried about RUclips shorts, deep fakes and how they will be perceived
01:06:12 Breaking has tablet and eating paper
01:13:45 The media wants cameras, of course (so do we, right?!)
01:17:37 The Delphi case and community
01:20:32 Outro
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Thank you for time stamping. ❤
Finally someone states the obvious, we don’t all have to agree. That is always the biggest turn off for me on cases like this. People take it as a personal attack if you don’t agree.
I agree with you about this.
Yeah, everyone has their own opinions. It's ridiculous to get mad. Thank you!
Exactly
Exactly as most of it is speculation by each of us. I like reading different thoughts
So true, i've seen people get really nasty at different opinions. This case goes wayyyy down the rabbit hole
We all want the same thing- justice for Abby and Libby
Exactly! ❤️
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Yes. I don’t understand why people are questioning law enforcement before the trial starts. The odds that Odin’s did this is slim to none. There may be some corruption but corruption isn’t easy to hide when you have multiple agencies working on the same case.
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I'm so sorry that you lost your loved one! Sending love from the Netherlands!
Judge Diener specifically said he and his family were being threatened (one of the reason he recused himself). Now that i think about it, who threatened him? Why would the "public" threaten him so soon after the arrest? A perp that the entire world had been ready to see brought to justice? Diener hadn't made any major decisions on the case yet. I had thought that odd back then to think he had already received threats...
Yes! I had forgotten thatl! Ty!
Yeah it makes no sense
Oh yes! I totally forgot he was being threatened and step of the case. Damn.
I thought it odd then but brushed it off. Now I'm suspecting there may not have been threats solely from that very public that had scared him...Odinists? Maybe...
Yeah…who threatened the judge? Good observation!
I’m a court clerk in Florida and we had Court TV film one of our trials. They were unintrusive. You didn’t even notice them once you work the trial. I think you are right, the prosecution does not want to be on the world stage perhaps because they are personally nervous ? Like camera shy? I don’t know. He acts like this would be the first time cameras are allowed in any courtroom nationwide.
Or, the DA realizes that [allegedly, possibly] Richard Allen is bat-spit crazy and his lawyers are prone to spreading tabloid nonsense and calling it facts. I'm real skeptical of everything about this case so...no offense. I have no clue anymore. It just gets weirder and weirder.
@@macrograms Even if what you say is true, that the DA is crazy & his lawyers spread tabloid nonsense, why is that a legitimate reason to not have cameras ?
I think the prosecution doesnt want the cameras because they are doing some shady crap and dont want people like this group seeing straight through their lies and BS....
@christielarocco2007 I agree. I'm sorry but their over obsessiveness at trying to keep everything from the public is really starting to make the public question their motives and if they are doing everything legally. Why are they so obsessed with hiding everything? I get the pre-trial stuff, but the actual trial should be allowed to have cameras in it. It's very suspicious that they are so against it. It makes them look like the guilty party with something to hide, while the defense wants it all out in the open for the public to see.
@@GrumpyKayAgree! We the tax payers have a right to know justice is being served. This current secrecy trend seems in direct proportion to the quality of LE investigations. Very disturbing. If RA’s prosecutors had the slam dunk, ethically collected evidence they claim why the secrecy? The constant need to blind justice?
I think every trial should be televised as to be transparent about the process. I also think that giving a witness the chance to testify off camera is a fair compromise. A person is innocent until proven guilty and it’s sad that some have forgotten that fact. Thanks for the video.
Great content Gisela. Been following you since last year. Best true crime coverage on the planet. 😊
I think you’re so right on point G , no need to argue about anything.. let’s focus that energy to the victims getting justice instead. 😊 we can soak up that information and form our opinions and wait until justice is served. ❤ Right ? 😊
Thank you so much time stamps !
You’re extra work, focus on victims and attention to detail is so appreciated 🥂❤️
Other channels could, and should, learn from you.
G you consistently bring us the best content. Thank you for all you do. Justice for Libby & Abby. 🐻
All trials should be public!
You are so good at giving updates. Ty so much for the time you work on these cases. You da bomb.
😢by the time the trial is conducted, Abby and Libby would have been 20 and 21 years old if they were still alive, so sad.
Yes. The iron curtain of secrecy and arrogance in this case is disturbing. Justice delayed is justice denied.
I missed the livestream yesterday as I was sitting on an actual jury! It was fascinating and I couldn't help but think of Gisela and the Grizzlies. After so many hours of watching trials online and on TV, I could really appreciate how well -- and how badly -- both sides did in presenting their case. Great experience.
I will wait for the trail to come, with all evidence to show it, Thanks G for all your hard work ❤
I am from Indiana and not far from where this took place.. it’s personal that we want Justice for Libby and Abby. OG here.. since Gabby.
RIP dear Gabby. Moab cops are complicit in her murder. Zero consequences. Beyond sad.
TY G for keeping open mind. Can’t say same for John Kelly, Pat Brown etc. Too often profilers are victims of their own confirmation bias.
Pat brown is ridiculous, she's as close minded as they come! I really warmed up to John Kelly after he said something very insightful that I've never heard any other profiler discuss.
John Kelly and Pat Brown are also professionals in this area.
Replay crew here: I finally have a minute to sit down and watch your wonderful insights, while my bread dough rises.
The most in depth Delphi coverage! Thank you so much for all the research you do on this case, G. ❤
I think it's incredibly interesting,that the Defense wants the cameras in the courtroom,while the Prosecution does not..😏
I'm not sure I've ever seen that before!
The lawyers are getting very creative, good for them. But it's total 💩!
Really great coverage! Thank you for this balanced deep dive into this case!
Thank you for your awesome work G!
I truly don’t understand why the state or prosecution would object if the defendant himself wants cameras in his own case. They can’t argue that it will cause an unfair trial because he is requesting it himself… and why is this defendant in prison when he hasn’t even been convicted yet? What makes him different than anyone else?
Thank you for putting the time stamps in your program
"Allen called his wife, Kathy Allen, one document states. “In that phone call, Richard M. Allen admits several times that he killed Abby and Libby,” according to the document.Jun 29, 2023"
If he hadn't told what he wore, if people hadn't seen him wearing it, and if there wasn't a video of him wearing it... I might believe he could be innocent... but I don't.
Exaclty! Plus the unspent round matching his gun. Ppl need to remember the facts here.
Thank you Gisela ❤️
Remarkable work, Mr. Steve!
Love your channel very informative. My prayers for all involved regarding famlies . All the way from Pretoria South Africa❤
Loved the updates thank you Gisela for all you do🤗❤
@37:56 The state had an obligation to turn any digital evidence they plan to use against Richard Allen over to the defense during the discovery phase.
RA’s attorneys filed with the coirts yesterday stating the prosecution has not been giving them information and then did a data dump on them that will take months to go through. NM is not playing by the rules.
You are one of the few who knows enough to have an informed opinion. There was weirdness suggested long before the defense report, and I think people forget that.
Took a time out…. Idaho 4. Delphi. My heart was impacted.
Hello G and grizzlies. Looks like I’m part of the rewatch crew. Hope you’re all having an amazing day.
There's been so many big cases with cameras in the courtroom, the camera points at the Judge and the witness chair, they don't have to show any of the autopsies, or the families. The state is being unreasonable. The public has the right to see all court cases, to make sure they're having a fair trial.
I am a new fan, and I just love your thoroughness and in-depth analysis. Your deep dives are awesome! I live about an hour or so from Delphi, so I am very interested in this case.
Thank you so much! And welcome!
I thought the Schabusiness sentencing would never end. Good heavens! Get on with it people.😂 Thank you for keeping us up to the minute with Delphi.❤
As an editor of legal texts and a linguistics expert witness, I think the affidavit is well composed to an everyday standard.
The prosecution, law enforcement brought the defense theory on themselves.
When Richard Allen was arrested, the prosecutor, law enforcement said there could be others involved, investigation is still on going.
This opened the door for the defense to claim others did it, not their client Richard Allen.
My opinion is the prosecutor, law enforcement F...... this up.
The state prosecutor, law enforcement have introduced reasonable doubt, they pretty much handled this theory to the defense on a silver platter.
Really good point
Really good point indeed
I disagree ! RA is BG and they can prove that but they can not say if he murdered the girls on his own or had help (either to lure them as much as killing them and staging them)
Well that's because law enforcement knows this and was implying it.
Almost certainly it was more than one person.
We shouldn't lament a fair trial. If he isn't guilty, which I don't think he is, I want him to walk.
@@aaronjustice9020 You're entitled to your opinion, I feel the opposite, the video, he said he was at the bridge the day of the crime, unspent bullet matching his gun.
On his wife's Facebook page, there's a picture of him playing pool, wearing a beanie cap. "Before the murders"
If you compare this beanie cap, with pictures of bridge bridge guy head cover, there's indentations that look identical in the beanie cap itself.
This case is frying my brain, I'm not gonna watch any more vids, just wait for the trial, thank you Gisela x
Think this will also end up happening in Idaho 4 prayers for true justice for Abby and Libby & the 4
The way you clipped him walking at the beginning of this intro next to whoever the man on the bridge is... Amazing work G. Thank you for all you do for us. There is Nobody more detailed and organized than you if he had his phone what do his phone records show? I can't get over the fact they are saying there are no pictures of finding this bullet at the crime scene. Why? If someiis found and bagged for evidence it is photographed. The 🐰 hole 🕳️ is getting deeper.
😂 we'll see all the pictures at trial. Nothing is getting deeper except the BS
@@LostME.24 They don't have those pictures. That's my point.
I wonder if this is why they said there be more ACTORS involved at the beginning
Excellent analysis as usual. Although IMO the initial investigation by the police was clearly lost-at-sea, they bounced around clinging to various theories, showing different sketches, chased down many rabbit holes involving complicated theories, until one person said 'let's go back to basics' and he had the guy within days. What went wrong? The suspect worked in local CVS and the various police agencies must have been in and out of that place over the years; didn't they look at their own sketch? It reminds me of the Yorkshire Ripper investigation in the UK in the 1980s where police literally became submerged in their own investigation.
Thank you, G
I agree. Everyone should be able to voice their opinions without people gate keeping the case. everyone wants justice for the girls. 💕💕
They should have cameras in the court. Look at how the prisoner looks from how he did from day one. What’s going on in prison? Torture? Not guilty until proven 😮
Howdy! Catching you on the re-play.
Just like I said about Kohbergers trial, cameras would help dispel rumors and myths. Put the whole trial out there so people can see for themselves what is going on.
Replay crew today. Sorry I missed you guys. Thanks for the hard work G 😊❤
Missed you at the live! See you in the next one, Birtie!
RA said he was watching fish and Logan said he went out to buy fish.
And the girls we know for sure were cat "fished"
What the defense is doing has nothing to do with "sensationalism". Anyone who understands the law and the criminal justice system knows that a defense attorney must defend his/her client aggressively and with zeal until the bitter end. The burden of proof rests solely on the STATE to prove guilt beyond a "reasonable doubt". On the other hand, the defense does not have to prove that their client is innocent, or "not guilty". The defense achieves this by "poking holes" in the State's case...and by CREATING "reasonable doubt" in the State's case, by any means legally permissible, e.g., by introducing alternative scenarios, other possible suspects, etc., even if such alternative scenarios and other possible suspects are far-fetched and unsubstantiated. And that's exactly what the defense is doing in this case.
It all boils down to how gullible and naive...or intelligent and sophisticated...the individual jurors are. All the defense needs is just ONE juror to vote "not guilty" in order to reach a "hung jury", at which point the State must then decide whether or not to start from scratch and re-try the case. And let's face it...a lot of it depends on the forcefulness, salesmanship, and gamesmanship of the opposing parties involved.
Defense creating confusion. If you're confused, they win a "not guilty."
Mmm - I dont have a good feeling about this one. I am wondering if RA is gonna make it to trial.
Also - how is it possible there is no photograph of the unspent bullet found at the crime scene?? Extremely sus
I think there is a photo of the bullet in the dirt but that is pretty much meaningless evidence.
Exactly,where is that photo?
Does anyone know if they were able to get RA's phone records from 2017? That would pretty much narrow it down how long he was there, right?
@@dudemorris7769 I hadn't heard that that I recall. Do you know what time he clocked in that day?
One thing is could make sense why Libby’s dad NEVER spoke a work publicly about the case. Now the fact that odinism being involved could make sense? Also if you listen to things said way back about how complex and how involved this case is , then Richard being the killer makes zero sense to me. Doug Carter also says the community is going to be shocked when they learn the facts of this case ?
It is weird that Libby's father never said anything. And Doug Carter with his cryptic riddles, seemed like he was trying to write a thriller, not solve a crime.
LE knows it is RA And that's all that matters.
@@juliannfriend6226 They have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
The bridge is TWO MILES through the woods- not on a trail… from where the bodies were found- let that sink in- the amount of time to trudge that for 3 people!
We need to know the facts and the people need to know what happened to protect society. If there is a cycle of getting girls to meet somewhere and do bad things to them the public deserves to know. Tony, and the owner of the land have been violent to women in their lives., and kegan wanted to stay with his dad. This Elvis that spit on one of the girls is really sick and if he can do that he is likely to do more and if they found stuff at his house it’s there.
So there is a lot more audio than has been released to the Public ..The State has not show all of their cards..
Thanks!
Thank you so much, this is so kind of you!
I've learned from past cases, and now manage to stay unbiased. It's not always easy, I'm fairly critical of the court and how both this case and Kohberger's have been handled but I think both cases could go either way.
That man has deteriorated in jail shoulda thought about that choice he made
Thank you I wish everyone would pay attention
Nothing could be taken out of context if they have camera’s in the court and show the trial.
I'm going to wait to hear the evidence presented at trial, not all the BS theories brought forward by the defense team that don't have to follow the rules of evidence.
In my opinion, Richard Allen led the girls down the hill, and there was someone else there waiting to murder them. Of course, Allen could have helped. I just pray for justice for Libby and Abby, and I hope it comes soon.
I TOTALLY AGREE 👍
I think he'd of talked by now if that was the case. Given the state and treatment he's been receiving I don't think they'd go to the lengths to say what they are saying, if someone else was involved.
@@hazel_moore-1989 HE won't talk because that would make him involved. He walked free for 5 years and he thinks he will again
He's innocent. A fall guy...
@@juliannfriend6226 He's implicating a lot of people saying what he's saying? Also, I just feel to say what he is if not involved is a dangerous game.
Franks Motion is simple smoke screen to cover Rick's confessions. Odins were checked to have no connection.
Good point about "down the hill" btw! The sides of the bank sloping around the bridge appear waaaay too steep to go down. They would to have had to go down the ridge a ways until it had a slope that was able to be hiked down wouldn't they? I've not seen any sleuths trying to locate the part of the Hill they went down to get to the river.
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It is the job of the defense to raise doubt. It doesn’t mean it’s reality!
Social Media fascinates me too. Its got Network Theory stamped all over it. Facts 💯
I agree with the Idin angle 100%. I sent the tipline a lot of evidence five plus years ago. I tipped an Odinist over 7 times and submitted new material evidence everytime. I didn't know one of the three cops was murdered by a CZo and now Cluck is changing his story
Theyve threatened his lufe and his family's too. It doesn't take a genius. Thanks gor sll yoh fo. Uourey very favorite RUclipsr!!
Defense is trying to pull wool over our eyes.
Prosecutors were trying to pull wool over defense...and got busted
Sorry the opposite is true.
They can't lie about the crime scene and evidence and the photos are evidence.
It kinda makes sense to me. This guy admitted he was there the Sametime the girls were. His statements he made when helping the police in a interview put him there. Then if he was walking in that area they not only can get a ping from his phone but the victims as well. That could put them in close proximity of eachother. There is alot more in this case then the police are giving out. After being a cop and Detective for over 20 years I believe they got him. I believe there are others outstanding but I'm sure once the trial comes out the police got him. Plus he hasn't made a huge deal about being innocent? Seems his Attorney's are putting up a fight over the evidence taken from his house. If it wasn't something good they wouldn't even fight it that hard. The police got good evidence out of that house. I'm totally comfortable with old allen being locked up for good.
Totally agree with you!
I’m in Minnesota, USA. You’re fantastic, in my opinion. 😂 👍🏼
I'm in Mn too!
I have a cat, too!
I’m 80 minutes SW of Delphi in Indy but I’d rather be in MN!!! We have goldens…..
Yes! I had three Golds at the same time! Beautiful dogs.
I think that R.H. guy looks A LOT like bridge guy. & his voice sounds incredibly like him too. 🤷
I find it a little coincidental that the defense released this memorandum 3 days before crime con.
Great coverage
It was a .40 What brand ammunition did then find in his house. In firearm and at murder site?
Maybe Richard Allen is just not that bright, or he’s very arrogant and thinks LE would never suspect him. Also, he may have kept the gun and jacket, but he didn’t keep the knife, as far as we know.
Good morning everyone
I hope the Indiana Dept of Corrections is looking into the possible Odinist link to current prison guards and the former guard who killed the cop.
There is something very sus with those 2 distinct sketches/ photos used to find the killer that always felt chilling . 🥺
Yes! I found this episode interesting. I have followed this case closely. In my opinion, were it not for Anthony Greeno's efforts, the case would have died.
Prosecution has more than the unspent round. They're still keeping things close to vest
Maybe the person who said "Guys,down the hill" was giving instructions to the waiting murderers. This case smacks of multiple participants
Hey G. The video from the phone I thought was time stamped at 2:13… ??
If you look at from the point of view that previous to 2017, RA seemed to be lacking in direction in his life. From 2017 onward, he began the training and job which put him up a step in society (2018 CVS where he was in a position of high trust, and had access to people’s information and drug supply). You could see how someone like RA in or prior to 2017 would have been vulnerable to influence, and during/after 2017 appeared to have risen up.
It could be innocent, but the memory of Alex Cox is still fresh in my mind so it’s a reminder that circumstances can rise where outside influence is more likely to affect someone to commit horrendous things as a way to gain power within a group that has twisted the good messages within a religion toward their own deviant uses.
Because what we’ve been shown does seem ritualistic or symbolic.
Connected, could be lack of blood (or much less than expected). It’s possible the killers slit the girls throats and collected their blood in a bucket for later use (as horrible as that is to contemplate 😞).
I know it has been said the girls died on the 13th, but if you look up Feb 14th, it is related to the feast of Vali, which is related to positive things, but at its core is related to “rightful vengeance” and the story of Vali, son of Loki is actually about murder for revenge and is a gruesome scene involving two victims.
I think given this information, and the fact that the murder scene ‘appears’ symbolic/ritualistic/vengeful, it would be important to look at who in the girls circle could have been a target and … in 2017 Libby’s dad had just got out of jail for dealing in meth, and would have had contact with a number of nasty people who could have wanted revenge on him, or a gain in power for themselves for whatever reason.
I’m not saying that’s what happened, but all these things add up to a potential scenario of what happened.
Back to RA ….. If we can trust the forensics, either he was there at the scene, (and his bullet left there while intimidating the girls), or in a turn of extremely unfortunate events, he had been there in the past, and the bullet cycled through his gun and got dropped in the exact location, right between the two girls where they were found.
And his voice sounds a close match to bridge guy.
And he was there at that time and date.
And he was wearing the same clothes as bridge guy.
I think he was involved and all things considered, it doesn’t seem that likely he could just be being framed.
Totally agree. Great analysis. I fully believe he led them to slaughter and there was at least one other person in the bushes. He did ask if anyone else was arrested too
Timestamp is from cellphone
You're great! you tube gets snarky .
Richard was off work his car passed the hardware store twice
It supposedly passes once at 127pm. It never did twice. Also other stores have cameras in town, but only one cam seen a black car? So different compared to Idaho 4 murders.
4:57 gee, what a "coincidence", lol
This case is a perfect example of our upsidedown justice system...guilty until you prove you are innocent
It's so obvious that this is so true. Thanks for saying so. He has been treated As a convicted prisoner. He has been treated as such for long time. He looks like he needs a hospital for safe keeping now.
Just noticed if it was the pagan group !) it has been said it was on the 13th ,one of the girls is 13 ) the date that is important to the pagan group is 14th Feb for Valentines day) .It is a date they celebrate ,.the other girl is 14 ) this is 13/14 .I feel they were caught on the 13th afternoon but taken to somewhere close by .Could have been the land belonging to Logan near the river .Then the killing, or sacrificial ritual done as soon as it was 14th after midnight .This would be quiet ,so easier to do without people walking the trail .Because i cant see it being done in the daylight when children had the day off school and so many people on the trail .KK spoke to the girls online to meet as the Shot person fishing for the girls that day 13th who thought they would meet this male model instead of the fatty KK .OMG
@37:30. it only takes about 20 seconds to place a round in a magazine and eject that round from Richard Allen’s firearm. It’s happened many times before during “searches” This is where I believe Tony Liggett should go to prison.
Its not an F, in any shape or description IMO, its not a a runic F or a 'normal f'
ergo: the defence falls apart
Great coverage G 🥰
I am new to your channel and really like its stye, the heavily vebal style. Please consider speaking a little more slowly. Thank you!
If you prefer slower talking, just toggle the gear setting and change the speed. Welcome to GTC!
Woah wtf i never heard about the phone pinging around the town until 2 am
Delphi is just a massive red flag at this point.