Great writeup. Been thinking about getting back into wow casually since i dont game much lately (but not sure if Cata would be more fun over classic, which i got back into a few years ago as well as BC Classic for nostalgia). Cata was the expansion that i left the earliest . Arms was very noticeably less fun to play than all previous expansions, and it did not take long to put it down. Also i didnt like the dungeons as much as in previous . Also remember how melee became OP vs casters (actually started happening in wotlk as more control and interrupts were given to melee even then), afflic locks aside. If i come back to cata i wont roll warrior again... In Cata pve rotations started becoming too bloated on certain classes too, and did not enjoy warrior tanking as much either.
actually both demo and destro locks are good in pvp. not as good as affli, but when played right, they can solo anything. also i am surprised you put resto sham in S tier, it is so. The only way i die, is when enemy has a lot of procs (ret,frost dk, fire mage) or is lucky to crit a lot. It don't die :D
BM Hunter is insane in CATA. I played MM n BM in OG CATA and by the time it's all said and done my pet turned in a Raid Boss in BGs. They have sooooo much utility and a shit load of substained DMG. Rogues are almost helpless against you as well as Mages and they are the 2 most OP classes in CATA PVP as well as being able to handle DKs and Palys with all the stuns and interrupts. I didn't know 5% of what IK now about WOW back in OG CATA but IK it felt unfair playing that BM once I got geared
I mostly remember that 2k and up were just RMPs, RLS, some triple DPS and you'd occasionely meet something else. So that'd be your S tier. Early Cata there were quite a lot ferals and warriors instead of a rogue.
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hey guys, i come from retail, actually never played pvp before and want to start on cata just to play bg's and arenas, mostly bg's i guess. Could you guys recommend an easy, fun to play/chill to play class?
Best play styles are generally enhancement shaman or shadow priest for melee and range respectively. The rotation and way you play are unique and unlike any class you can play. I enjoyed them when I played them. But I main ret pally. Which is like 3 buttons
1v2d 2 MM hunters as a survival hunter in a rated bg yesterday when I was guarding mines in ab 😂 just kept dotting them and kiting/ losing them as my dmg overtime from ss black arrow expo shot proc from lock n loaded procs rekt them.
Try out BM Rogues, Mages, and Dks are OP in CATA but Survival and BM counter them with All the utility and DMG from BM...Your pet becomes a Raid Boss once you stack Mastery
Abni an arcane mage was the highest rated player through the entire original run of cataclysm but I guess its just d tier. Whats even funnier about it was arcane was broken because it hard counters resto druids and all you saw after 2700 rated was resto druid healers but I guess its just c tier.
@@The-eo4lj 2v2 is better in Wotlk. In Cata it's bad. Because there is no dampening and almost no class can kill a healer in 1v1. and yes 3v3 was always played. all of the arena tournaments are 3v3. Blizzcon was always only 3v3. Gladiator titles and rewards required 3v3 even in og wotlk. The reason private servers played 2v2 more is just because of low population and it's easier to find 1 partner and queue up.
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Great writeup. Been thinking about getting back into wow casually since i dont game much lately (but not sure if Cata would be more fun over classic, which i got back into a few years ago as well as BC Classic for nostalgia). Cata was the expansion that i left the earliest . Arms was very noticeably less fun to play than all previous expansions, and it did not take long to put it down. Also i didnt like the dungeons as much as in previous . Also remember how melee became OP vs casters (actually started happening in wotlk as more control and interrupts were given to melee even then), afflic locks aside.
If i come back to cata i wont roll warrior again...
In Cata pve rotations started becoming too bloated on certain classes too, and did not enjoy warrior tanking as much either.
Hunter has always been a bg hero from the start of days
Not in cata, all skills in MM besides Chimera and Aim hit like a wet noodle. Any class can outdmg you in bg.
@@Reality-Distortion my wet noodles hit 40k each i love my wet noodles then
@@zartozorto You hit 40k with arcane and steady shots?
Can you make a tier list on what cheese goes best with an omelet
White bulgarian cheese
Goat cheese, cheddar cheese, smoked cheese
make bg tier list
No
Rot classes always do well in bgs. S priests, dk, affli lock, boomy. Those are the top dawgs.
@@davidcardinal3654How do u not mention fire mage!?!?
Boomy, boomy, boomy. Then maybe fire mage, aff lock
@@epicstudios142536 slipped my mind.
actually both demo and destro locks are good in pvp. not as good as affli, but when played right, they can solo anything.
also i am surprised you put resto sham in S tier, it is so. The only way i die, is when enemy has a lot of procs (ret,frost dk, fire mage) or is lucky to crit a lot. It don't die :D
Guys you make the best guides, im very grateful of your content! is there any hope to see balance druid guide by any chance?
Bg
Look up moonfire build. Does a ton of damage and you literally spam moonfire and starfall, clone for control
BM Hunter is insane in CATA. I played MM n BM in OG CATA and by the time it's all said and done my pet turned in a Raid Boss in BGs. They have sooooo much utility and a shit load of substained DMG. Rogues are almost helpless against you as well as Mages and they are the 2 most OP classes in CATA PVP as well as being able to handle DKs and Palys with all the stuns and interrupts. I didn't know 5% of what IK now about WOW back in OG CATA but IK it felt unfair playing that BM once I got geared
Don t say the secret . Firefury best BM hunter player.
I play BM hunter can easy kill any mage in1vs1,but can't kill the subtletly rogue
the fact is 2 BLOOD DKs WON EVERY SINGLE 2V2 GAMES
I see it quite weird to have the biggest important in the decision is how many comps the spec can play. For example, Aflly is fine but not S tier.
Where do you find these high res wow icons at? Link please?
3v3 comp tier list pls :)
I mostly remember that 2k and up were just RMPs, RLS, some triple DPS and you'd occasionely meet something else. So that'd be your S tier. Early Cata there were quite a lot ferals and warriors instead of a rogue.
if you guys like these videos make sure you guys do thier service. theres always a money back guaranteed. i been 2.5k mmr exp just because of the videos. across retail. but we dont dicuss retail here keep it up skill capped you guys live up to the name p.s no telling how crazy id be if i did buy the service. which i might do everyone has new strats and techniques that you dont know. and excuse the grammar skill capped if you see this thumb it up
Ret definitely doesnt fall out with later phases
hey guys, i come from retail, actually never played pvp before and want to start on cata just to play bg's and arenas, mostly bg's i guess. Could you guys recommend an easy, fun to play/chill to play class?
Balance druid or hunter in bgs is crazy fun and fire mage
DK for melee, warlock, and hunter for range
Well that's hard because we might enjoy different play styles. Do you have a preference of melee or caster or healer?
@@ahetzel9054 im kinda torn between melee and ranged dps. I was always playing melee, maybe its time to switch some things
Best play styles are generally enhancement shaman or shadow priest for melee and range respectively. The rotation and way you play are unique and unlike any class you can play. I enjoyed them when I played them. But I main ret pally. Which is like 3 buttons
Boy am i enjoying these videos 😊
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Can you do a 2v2 arena tier list for specs? :)
What are the WAs used by the DK at 2.23?
thank you for doing cata tier lists. Now everyone is playing disc/feral xD
It was the same back in the day, I was rank 1 on the 2v2 ladder playing resto sham with a feral and all we were facing were Disc/feral and disc/hunter
Dekel, arms warrior is rank 1 on cataclysm in season 9
rogue with legendary daggers and that op pve trinket indeed S++
feral guide when ?
Where is the Boomy guide on the website? its only restro and feral :(
ps: Rest of the Guides are Beasty like always
are there any like yknow.. ZUG ZUG Comps that could get glad title without thinking at all?
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@@7xXSE7ENXx7 whats facepalm for comp?
@@zeroresistance7203 "without thinking at all" lol. BM Enhance is what you're after for what it's worth.
can someone tell me the name plate addon at 5:47
Where's Blood DK? Keeping that beast as a secret eh.
Every single high rated dk is UH, Blood dk literal garbage
Currently 9-0 in my PVE tank gear with my rogue friend in 2s RAHHHH
Blood dk would eventually lose if you kited that mf into oblivion and only went in during stun locks
@@Ugaugabambam i got to 1570 with it which i dont think is a terrible rating rn considering im in half pve gear and our comp sucks
Ya i thought any spec dk plus ret right now is bis lol
Rbg tier list please
Surv to c tier... Ill still give it a go. See u at gladiator ratings
But enhance feels soooo gyyd ;) I think its abit underrated for both pvp and pve but no ,its not S tier but im fine with that
1v2d 2 MM hunters as a survival hunter in a rated bg yesterday when I was guarding mines in ab 😂 just kept dotting them and kiting/ losing them as my dmg overtime from ss black arrow expo shot proc from lock n loaded procs rekt them.
i cant believe they compare it to combat rogue and fury warrior, this spec is not that bad
@icetomeetyou3169 Yeah they should have just said that they have little to zero experience or knowledge on the SPEC in pvp and put it in a "?" Tier 🤣
Try out BM Rogues, Mages, and Dks are OP in CATA but Survival and BM counter them with All the utility and DMG from BM...Your pet becomes a Raid Boss once you stack Mastery
@user-gs4th6qp9p yeah I love bm too! MM is boring for me...
Survival is very strong season 1 it will get weaker each patch though.
Ur right !
Arms Warrior totaly gets mistreated again no Guide waiting and waiting xD
9:11 while moving*, and far less*
Please make bg tier list!
Yes please
ive seen 2200+ fdks alot and you put him in the same tier as assasin rogue...really?
Its 2024. 2200 rating is barely challenger these days in classic
@@nedbear19702200 is top of the ladder atm lol.
they are definitely underrating frost dk
@@spriestchump1531 Yea possibly but ALOT has changed since 2010
I've also seen holy priests up there but they're c tier. The ranking doesn't mean you can't climb the ladder.
Who ever made this has no idea what they are on about or doing and just making it for pure content
gladdy is horrible now. target issues have come back
Abni an arcane mage was the highest rated player through the entire original run of cataclysm but I guess its just d tier. Whats even funnier about it was arcane was broken because it hard counters resto druids and all you saw after 2700 rated was resto druid healers but I guess its just c tier.
The exception is not the rule
No enchance content 🫠
Spriest A? XD It's legit so dog in 2s
2s is a dog bracket, play 3s.
@@wh0racle3 how so? In OG wotlk 3v3 was never played, 2v2 was the main thing. Same for pr ivate servers
@@The-eo4lj 2v2 is better in Wotlk. In Cata it's bad.
Because there is no dampening and almost no class can kill a healer in 1v1.
and yes 3v3 was always played. all of the arena tournaments are 3v3. Blizzcon was always only 3v3. Gladiator titles and rewards required 3v3 even in og wotlk.
The reason private servers played 2v2 more is just because of low population and it's easier to find 1 partner and queue up.
@@The-eo4lj 3v3 was always superior.
Disc s tier
this guy always sounds like hes holding in a fart
Rogue forever ruins pvp in WoW.
You need to seriously slow down on your talking speed, felt like i was watching at 2x speed couldnt make sense of the half of the time
or maybe you can put the video at 0.75 speed yourself
this video lost all credibility by not being OP holy paladins who wear plate and never oom.... not on S tier. and disc is obvious S-tier