The indicator is virtually weightless. A fly line weighs about a quarter pound. You don't really cast fly line as much as you load the rod with the weight of the fly line then throw the line with the energy you transfer through the rod from your back cast to your forward cast. Physics
Recomending a 9ft leader to the sighter? who can keep their arm that high all day? I use a 3ft transition from the flyline to the tippet ring. 1x1x1 20lb-14lb- 1x Rio idicator tippet. I also use a running line or a 2-3 wt line on a 6-8 wt rod. The euro lines are too thin and stick to the rod. 2-5 ft of tippet off the ring for tightline? Not a good recommendation. I start with 8ft for a 10ft rod, as soon as it gets down to 6ft it becomes difficult to get a good drift and get the flys down. Maybe if you fish with a 9ft rod 7ft would be a good starting point? A better video would be where does 1 outfish the other. They both have a place. Some days I bring 2 rods rigged up with each, it can make you way more efficient on the water. The indicator can keep your fly in the strikzone longer-further away from you. You have to be closer to the fish with tightline.
To each their own. I have 30 ft of 15 lb to my sighter. Does that mean im holding 30 ft of mono off the water when I’m executing a drift? Come now think before you open your mouth. Also, who are you to say how much tippet he should have? Are you there fishing the same exact run to know how deep it is and how much tippet to use? Btw, some people use bulky knots, like a triple surgeons, to piece together the leader and thus don’t want the junctions running through their guides. That’s one reason somebody would not want 7ft of tippet for a 9ft rod. Again, to each their own. Remember that.
Anytime you're putting your weight that far from the flies you are way more likely to floss fish. "I don't know why, but you catch more fish"... yeah you're flossing some. Usually you're not seeing flossing with an indicator but that is basically what this setup is encouraging. I completely agree that indicator and tightlining both have their place with steelhead but I'm with Tom... Tightlining is so incredibly effective and what I do 90% of the time. With either method, I will never put my weight that far from the fly. My weight is never more than 18" from the fly and often times I'm using weighted flies and don't add any additional weight if I can get away with it. Say no to flossing! :)
If you are running more than 30 inches of tippet below your weight you will foul hook fish at a noticeably higher rate. I don't know if that makes you right or wrong, but that has been my experience. If you listened he said it just catches more fish running longer tippets off your weight. That is a true statement. He just didn't mention that many of those "more" fish will be foul hooked. Not everyone is an evolved sportsman. Some just like spanking as many fish as they can. We've all been there.
That's debatable. 5 feet of tippet in water for steelhead isn't too much, IMO. It's fast water they live in and you'll always sacrifice a foot or two to casting errors and current speed. Kinda dramatic to insinuate flossing with these numbers and fishing manner compared to what else is out there, especially since orvis educate I wouldn't think they'd promote it.
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank You Tom. Always a pleasure 👍
Great and helpful video.
thanks, but how do you cast a line with indicator? is there a special way?
The indicator is virtually weightless. A fly line weighs about a quarter pound. You don't really cast fly line as much as you load the rod with the weight of the fly line then throw the line with the energy you transfer through the rod from your back cast to your forward cast. Physics
Isnt high sticking the same as eueronymphing?
High sticking, euro, tightline, polish, Czech… many names for *generally* the same thing
George Harvey been high stick nymphing since 60s. Nothing new
Recomending a 9ft leader to the sighter?
who can keep their arm that high all day?
I use a 3ft transition from the flyline to the tippet ring. 1x1x1
20lb-14lb- 1x Rio idicator tippet.
I also use a running line or a 2-3 wt line on a 6-8 wt rod. The euro lines are too thin and stick to the rod.
2-5 ft of tippet off the ring for tightline? Not a good recommendation. I start with 8ft for a 10ft rod, as soon as it gets down to 6ft it becomes difficult to get a good drift and get the flys down.
Maybe if you fish with a 9ft rod 7ft would be a good starting point?
A better video would be where does 1 outfish the other. They both have a place. Some days I bring 2 rods rigged up with each, it can make you way more efficient on the water.
The indicator can keep your fly in the strikzone longer-further away from you. You have to be closer to the fish with tightline.
To each their own. I have 30 ft of 15 lb to my sighter. Does that mean im holding 30 ft of mono off the water when I’m executing a drift? Come now think before you open your mouth. Also, who are you to say how much tippet he should have? Are you there fishing the same exact run to know how deep it is and how much tippet to use? Btw, some people use bulky knots, like a triple surgeons, to piece together the leader and thus don’t want the junctions running through their guides. That’s one reason somebody would not want 7ft of tippet for a 9ft rod. Again, to each their own. Remember that.
Good Fishing
I’m sorry but 5 feet of tippet from the point fly to the split shot.
That seems like a set up that will floss fish too often.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
You're wrong.
You're right.
Anytime you're putting your weight that far from the flies you are way more likely to floss fish. "I don't know why, but you catch more fish"... yeah you're flossing some. Usually you're not seeing flossing with an indicator but that is basically what this setup is encouraging. I completely agree that indicator and tightlining both have their place with steelhead but I'm with Tom... Tightlining is so incredibly effective and what I do 90% of the time. With either method, I will never put my weight that far from the fly. My weight is never more than 18" from the fly and often times I'm using weighted flies and don't add any additional weight if I can get away with it. Say no to flossing! :)
If you are running more than 30 inches of tippet below your weight you will foul hook fish at a noticeably higher rate. I don't know if that makes you right or wrong, but that has been my experience. If you listened he said it just catches more fish running longer tippets off your weight. That is a true statement. He just didn't mention that many of those "more" fish will be foul hooked. Not everyone is an evolved sportsman. Some just like spanking as many fish as they can. We've all been there.
That's debatable. 5 feet of tippet in water for steelhead isn't too much, IMO. It's fast water they live in and you'll always sacrifice a foot or two to casting errors and current speed. Kinda dramatic to insinuate flossing with these numbers and fishing manner compared to what else is out there, especially since orvis educate I wouldn't think they'd promote it.
That rig won't fly in the Ontario tribs. Not legal.
"new to fly fishing" procecedes to use a 1100$ rod