Thoughts on The Last Dance Ep. 9 and 10
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Hey Guys! Today we share some of our thoughts on episodes 9 & 10 of ESPN's The Last Dance. Enjoy!
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The director was on record saying jordan spat on the pizza so no one else could eat it since they ate dinner without him. It’s on the Jalen and Jacoby podcast if you wanna check it out!
What a dick 😹
Damn him being a asshole saved a championship lowkey lmaoooo
A bunch of guys. Order only one pizza.
Love this channel. Only being 18 I didn’t grow up getting to see this stuff. Seeing the documentary and then hearing about it from the perspective of someone who did is amazing. I don’t think I ever realized how great Jordan or the bulls were until the documentary.
I love most of your personal opinions, its like you just talk it out my thoughts, not everyone have a great honest analytic mind like that, we love you guys, love also how you not agree on your wife but at the same time, doesn't hurt her feelings, love and respect to both of you. more power
this officially closes the last dance for me, a great series paired with a great insight and breakdown! i love this channel!
I have been waiting for this. These discussions provided a lot of context as someone who didn't grow up where basketball was popular. I should have watched this first tbh.
Dam it’s over I’m going to miss these episodes they’re awesome thanks guys
If you love basketball and are a 90’s kid this gave you the feels if not you may in fact not be human
Thanks for giving props to my childhood hero, Reggie Miller. I know for every person who loves him, there's at least 10 or more who hates the guy. But there's no doubting he's a truly great player.
I don’t think there will ever be another documentary that will top the last dance! I enjoyed ever episode and watching the 98 season recap made me feel 11/12 yrs old again man
Watching the whole series was an eye opener for me who wasn’t really there for the Jordan era, it’s like listening to actual life stories of a very cool grandpa...with videos
Loved seeing some of the sportsmanship n respect lot of these players had for eachother including Jordan. MJ and Reggie giving respect before the games and taking about this series going to be a good one as they are getting ready to play eachother. Larry Legend coming in after the loss to congratulate MJ and as well as giving a friendly curse showing how good of a friend they were and fierce competitor each are. Then you see Malone do the same after game 6. Just seeing those behind the scene moments were pretty awesome throughout this whole documentary. I agree, wish this was a every Sunday episode, cuz now what else am I going to watch Sunday nights? 😂
I was waiting for the goat to talk about the 🐐
It would be great to see a 10-part documentary on 'The First Dance' about the first three-peat as well. Aside from MJ, Pip & Phil, we'll have a new cast of characters. The story arc will be much more akin to a heroic journey where there's an origin story and set-up in act 1, presenting the struggles and conflicts in act 2, then reaching the mountaintop by vanquishing all their foes in act 3. Horace, Cartwright, Pax, BJ, etc. will also be given their share of proper screentime and praises as well ü
10:06 Literally me. I have a few peanut m&ms every few days. I don’t feel as guilty and it’s perfect with my active lifestyle.
Absolutely truth we hate them, but we love cherish after........ Love history
C'mon Nightwing, you ain't got to lie, MJ made you cry!
These thoughts episodoes were just utterly great! Thank YOU very much!
I'm sad the last dance is over... I'm even more sad your guy's discussion is over 😭😭😭😭. Great stuff guys!!! Solid!!! 👊. MJ is the GOAT. No Questions!!! NWO for Life Brother!!! #TooSweet #Rodzilla #HisPajamasThoLoL
I love the chemistry between the two of you 🙌
Let's not forget what happened to Scottie after 98 lol
Great analysis on Scottie Pippen 🔥
Dude, glad you brang up Ray Allen. People always forget how much of a straight killer he was in his 20's. Better then R.Miller IMO.
Mrs. Wing's reaction when Chris said "Throwing up and shitting yourself" haha
Jodie‘s nail polish game is off the chain!!! 🤯
Yes the documentary had me wanting more. But when the music done playing ...
Great perspective!!
Jordan aka Black Jesus LOL
Mj cut his index finger (right hand) in January 1999, so no 7th Ring.
Love the videooooo
I was sad when the show ended. Because that's it. There's nothing new about Jordan coming out. Ever.
Why did tall wait so long, it probably hurt the viewer engament a bit.... but honestly you guys are great
This was uploaded two days ago.
Mine is JOHNNY KILROY STEVE MARTIN COMMERCIAL JOHNNY KILROY IS MICHAEL JORDAN !
The Pacers were a lot like the 1990 Buffalo Bills they should have won!!!! The Pacers should have won and the a bills should have won...shit the Bills were favored to win but there’s this thing called MOXIE that the bulls had and the Giants. I’m 38 so I can remember this era like it’s yesterday I grew up a Pistons fan...not a Jordan fan, I was a fan of a team you had to choose a team but I knew Jordan was a DAWG!!!! that era back then you had to be GROWN MEN!!! you had to have at least 3-4 vets on the team just for the simple fact you needed some maturity on the team.
Today’s league don’t have the fundamentals or the veteran leadership on teams or the coaching....watching this series made me remember just how hard it was to play some damn basketball back then 🤣🤣🤣🤣 there’s not way Jordan could have been out partying because in Utah you can’t buy alcohol on sundays and the alcohol is watered down to begin with...
I also hated Reggie Miller. I lived in Chicago, so Reggie really got on my nerves. Now I say I disliked Reggie. Hate is such a strong word.
Does Jodi remind anyone of Pam from the Office?
jason Williams motorcycle crash changed alot from what I remember as far as serious stipulations in contracts
After watching the doc I must say MJ cant be touched and with all the comparison its clear that MJ cant be compared to LBJ or anyone else they made this documentary to put a stop on the comparisons, even kobe said it indirectlu in one of the episodes If you dont agree watch the docu again and you will realize “damn you cant COMPARE LBJ to MJ, you can only compare MJ to MJ”.
So you’re telling me the hotel they stayed at didn’t have room service for Michael Jordan? I call BS. The hotel would’ve gotten him anything he wanted at any time and then you call a pizza place and tell them the pizza is for Michael? Lol why would you do that?
Small town hotels don’t have kitchens, let alone room service.
WearTesters definitely agree with you there but the park city Marriott? In the late 90’s? With pianos in the rooms?
@@chadfreeman4661 You don't have to pay a piano an hourly wage. Could have a closed kitchen time as well.
hahaha! exactly!
Aye 1st one here?
I loved the sportsmanship between Utah and the Bulls when Malone and Stockton came on the bus to congratulate the bulls, Malone and Rodman both picking at each other but still having fun with it.
Hey Guys! Hope you're ready, it's a long one! (That's what she said!!!) We went over some of our take aways from the last two episodes of ESPN's The Last Dance. Let us know what you were thinking. Thanks for watching!!!
WearTesters you should look into getting the very first issue of SLAM magazines KICKS edition. It has an essential article on the thought process between Tinker and MJ about wearing the XIV’s during the finals.
He knew with it being his last year (at least what we thought at the time) that it was a way to market that model for the next season. Again I cannot strongly recommend that specific issue alone. It has Kevin Garnett on the cover
Mrs. Wing wasted no time in wearing that hoodie! 😂😂😂
this mini series for the last dance could esaily be passed for a podcast. you guys could make podcast with these topics like who is the better player, whats the better shoe etc
Hey Chris. The ABC Australia have just released a documentary on Luc Longley. It's strange that he was left out of the Last Dance. MJ, Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr and Phil Jackson are all interviewed. Think of this as the missing episode. Try to search for ABC Australian Story - Luc Longley. You'll also find the full interview with MJ and the ABC on RUclips as well
Anyone remember when this channel used to be called Nightwing2303?
I’ve been a subscriber since 2017
The good old not so simple days
Hell yeah ⚡️
Yes love this my favorite recap show
I just simply love love love these “The Last Dance” recaps!!! The Kerr segment really taught me a lot about him....especially when they talked about his dad. I absolutely HATED Reggie back in the day..I respected his game and skill but I screamed when he shoved MJ to get open. I remember it like it was yesterday! 🤣🤷🏽♂️ 🤓
Crow era Sting is still my favorite narrative, just edging out the Rock's face run.
you are a man of culture my friend, keep preaching the truth
Krause caught Phil talking to other teams & lost trust in him. Phil had already made a hand shake deal with the lakers. Word in the streets 💯
Damn, i wish Jerry was alive to talk about that.
why does this sound like a modern relationship drama.... she caught him talking to other bitches... she had a handshake deal wit a new nigga.... word in the streets💯
I agree this docuseries solidified my deep love for Jordan and the Bulls. It was already an obsession, but seeing behind the curtain made me an even bigger fan.
One thing about Kerr is that I loved him basically becoming the new Paxson. I always felt that way and hearing him say as much was cool.
I wish this series would air every week for the rest of my life. Hell, gimme 500 hours of raw footage to sift through. I'll gratefully accept it.
Thank you guys again for taking the time to give your thoughts. You're both fantastic and it was a joy watching these after viewing The Last Dance. 💖✌
Look at Ms Wing, rocking the 500k subs hoodie 🤣
Hey man, Phil had some choice statements in his book, "11 rings," on how his work relationship with Jerry Krause went down the drain. It has something to do with some members of his coaching staff. That all started when the book "The Jordan Rules" was released. Krause accused some members of Phil's coaching staff of being a snitch and Phil was having none of it.
Spot on. LMAO on Hornecek and wiping his face. Remember it like it was yesterday.
I thought they were going to ask Karl Malone about him marrying a 13 year old.
When I ruptured my Achilles tendon 3 years ago, it was the most shocking pain I've ever felt. I was able to walk for about another 20 mins, as I walked off the court, went to my car and went to urgent care. When I was walking, I stepped on the traction of a sliding door at the hospital with that foot. I've never dropped down to the ground so fast in my life and just laid their for a moment. Definitely was the worst sports injury I've ever had and recovery sucked!
Were you playing in the best traction ever? I’ve heard it can also throw out your hip.
Nightwing I so agree with you the 90’s era had better SG that competed against Jordan and back then Kobe IVERSON RAY TMAC where all just getting started as Jordan ruled In the playoffs Reggie Miller ANFERNEE Hardaway
I remember hating the Utah Jazz back in the day. As much as I wanted the Bulls to lose, I did NOT want the Jazz to win.
One letdown for me was they didn't even mention Toni Kukoc in Indiana series and finals. 7th Indiana game was almost over in third period and Kukoc scored 14 points with 5/5. He shot 3/4 three points in the game and 21 points at total. He was starting five throughout the finals series and the highest in the team in true shooting with 55%. The series acted like Kukoc didn't even exist.
I think this documentary adds more perspective on how much MJ has accomplished. I'm from a generation post MJ era and I already knew who he defeated and how many accolades he had accumulated throughout his career. BUT I kinda take his achievement for granted because he already achieved everything before I started watching. I thought he must be head and shoulder above everyone and win everything convincingly and it's definitely not the case. Nothing comes easy.
i think the part that mrs. wing was referring to as per the question being asked by the media was when "craig" asked jerry krause if there was any backstabbing going on in the team, and jerry krause walked out of the conference after that 😊 i believe you thought mrs. wing was referring to mj answering the media "yes, no, maybe" while listening to kenny latimore's (?) cd 😊 i guess anyways 😊
Toni Kukoc, the third best player on that Bulls squad, which would have been a perennial all star somewhere else, had screen time in this documentary as much as I did...
Sorry, but defense matters. Kukoc was maybe the 3rd best scorer, but Rodman's rebounding on both ends and defense is more valuable imo. I do agree though, that he could have much more screen time.
@@Crnicelad That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Also I won't say that mine should be taken for granted cause there will be people that will disagre. I will just say one thing though everybody talks about defense and I will give you that Rodman was a better defensive player, which doesn't mean that Kukoc was a bad one. Overall if you compare both of those players Kukoc was by far a better player than Rodman. Like I've said, if he played on another team he probably wouldn't have won as much, but he would've been an All Star a couple of times. If you look at the stats of the last finals in 1998 Kukoc was averaging only half a point less than Pippen with less minutes and better field goal percentage (50% FG).
When you mention Rodman some people might even have a case that Harper was more valuable in some situations than Rodman, just to point that out.
He was a great role player. Don't overrated him saying he's an perennial all star 🙄
Looking for a job online....got a Weartesters notification....opened RUclips :)
No CAPP as the millennial say I thought Indiana was the better team that year and I'm the biggest MJ and Bulls fan. That series had me nervous from the beginning.
There's a key takeaway that I don't think many people are talking about. Mrs. Wing said she'd take that hoodie and she did!
Producer stated that MJ spit on the pizza, check the Jalen and Jacoby podcast for the story. That's why no one else ate from the pizza.
I forgot abt how vulnerable i thought the bulls were after they almost got put out n wore down by the pacers
That wasn’t the pacers only high point they made the finals a couple years later only to run into shaq and MJ.2
Would've been a PERFECT time for Nike to drop a retro of the Pippen 2
I need more of these and i mean you two talking about shit
there was an interview with one of the guys who was in the room w mj when he ordered the pizza and apparently mj spit on the pizza because he wanted it all for himself lol
I can see them doing a shaq-kobe lakers doc
Watching The Last Dance gave me something to look forward to every week with everything that has been happening. Gave me one hell of a distraction for about five weeks. Also, always been waiting on these episode recaps. 👌🏽
The Pacers did make the Finals in 2000, ran into Shaq and Kobe though.
That’s right !
And torched the Lakers in game 5!
Leave the hair. It looks dope.
Jim Gray talked about the bad pizza during the broadcast of the game.
You should say "cut the check" more often. I know that's Anthony Mackie's line when filming but when you think about it, it's a nice touch.
Imagine the reaction of those 5 people who delivered the pizza to MJ when the Bulls won game 5 in 97.
@@Crs313 you still believe that "hangover" story?
Overall the docu-series ended well and did not disappoint.There will probably be more documentaries in the future that will focus on a specific time period and go in depth a bit more but time will tell.
I don't discuss this stuff with my wife as she doesn't get it either, but I commend you for trying.
I just want to know your opinion on this: What if... MJ didn't retire to go baseball, will the Bulls have coveted those 2 year championships by the Rockets with Hakeem? Just 'coz you've argued that IF Phil, MJ, Pip & the Bulls went for another year, could they have their 7th ring...? :) More power!
my favitequote from Kerr an BJ that was not included in the last dance was when mj returned for his 1rst game,kerr ask bj "is he gonna start??" and bj replied "if you have a statue outside the court then you can do what ever you want"......................
Instead of Flu Game, Poison Game. Still has a cool name.
I've really enjoyed these Last Dance recaps.....wish I knew about them when I watched the series. Have to mention something about Klay: I've ruptured both my ACLs playing ball (years apart) and the 1st one at a 1 day tournament. After doing it sat out the end of the game but tried to play my next game because it only felt like a light sprain. 3 mins in I got crossed over and it was obvious it wasn't okay. The 2nd time was during playoffs of 2 different men's leagues I played in. Finished both seasons on a newly bum knee (1 title and 1 loss in the finals) and an MRI a month later revealed no ACL. All that to say, some people's bodies don't seem to be so ACL dependent, or surrounding muscles can *almost* fully support the knee. I'm sure Klay felt solid in that moment.....luckily team trainers know better.
But afterwards I baffled 😕 and disgruntled by the bulls bad Management if I was the owner I would’ve fired Jerry Krause after the 98 finals and let Phil Jackson returned and made a 4 peat Keeping Jordan & PIPPEN until 2001 because Jordan was kicking nba players ass in pick up games !
It still will be called the flu game because marv said " he's suffering from FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS" having symptoms of the flu is enough to call them the "flu game"
What you said about people grow and change is so true! Like you I hated Reggie Miller, always wondered how no one in the NBA had snapped that skinny frame in half lol. Add to that list the whole of Detroit Bad Boys Pistons, Celtics, in fact anyone that opposed the Bulls. Back then I hated rock music too, it was rap, hip hop and R&B all day.
Now with maturity and a few more brain cells, I love to listen to Reggie Miller and Isiah Thomas the analysts but I still hate Bill Laimbeer. Now I love to listen to AC DC, Guns n Roses, The Eagles, Metallica, stuff that I shunned as a teenager. Hell I even love eating salad and vegetables. I guess with time and experience we love to learn and experience a broader range of what the world offers.
And I'm with you, I loved these episodes and I got really emotional over episodes 9 and 10, with what happened to Steve's dad and the role Gus Lett played in his life as a father figure. Totally sucks it's over and like you I want to watch more episodes every week.
Rodman talking to his kids : " So kids, one time I missed a practice with Michael Jordan for game 4 in the 98 finals because I was joining Hulk Hogan in the NWO. That game 4 I Pulled down 14 rebounds and hit the clutch free throws to seal the win. I went home to Carmen Electra and had told her about my day after we had sex. "
I remember how I hated that game winner by Miller. Looking back though, I wish they could've won that series. They were really great team. I think the Pacers can beat the bulls in 1999 had they stayed. In 2003 to 2004 season, I thought Pacers also had a chance. I was rooting for them so bad. I want Reggie to win one. Unfortunately, the Pistons spoiled it all up.
I actually agree with Mrs.Wing. I enjoyed the episodes but it didn't touch my soul like 7 & 8. It was cool reliving everything though. I wish they would've played another year together but I really think Duncan and The Admiral would've been way too much for them.
I have never really considered myself a general basketball fan, but both threepeat Bulls teams were so iconic that I held massive awe and respect for not only the starters, but also the benches - and it seeped into the other teams around them. Those Bulls teams truly elevated the league and the sport around the entire world, everywhere was NBA crazy in the 90s, no matter where you were. This docu-series did a great job at rekindling the feeling around that time for the sport and players, pulling back the curtains for us, and I wish it had gone on even longer and into more detail about things. I almost felt like starting it all over again from the beginning, straight after finishing watching episode 10 - and I guess that's when you know the show has done its job.
So up here in Canada, the episodes came out the next day. I would usually have to work at 5:30am those days, and I would purposely wake up at 3:00am to watch both episodes before work. It was worth it every week, and I would watch those episode on repeat until the next ones came out. One of the best forms of media I've ever watched, and really brought back a lot of foggy memories.
Not only was The Last Dance is over but sad to see the recaps end. I. Can’t say it enough, how much I love watching these vids. I’m a little older than Chris (41) so I remember the earlier stuff a bit more but I feel his perspective the whole time. You guys never disappoint 💪🏻💙
During the finals last year I hated the Warriors, but there’s a video of Steve in a hotel lobby in Toronto with fans jeering him “yo Steve, Raps in 5 or 6?” And he just replies...Maybe in 8.
Great video as always! Finally wrapped up the docu-series and it's been fun to hear you two discuss each week's episodes.
I agree about wishing we heard more about how Phil and Krause fell apart (but understanding why it wouldn't have been fair to have Phil dive into it now), and wanting to hear Mike talk about how the Wizards tenure came about afterwards (but understanding that it would've taken away from how focused this was.)
Also that ‘99 Season was shortened because of the NBA Strike. The Bulls would’ve gotten the rest they needed and would’ve probably been competitive in the playoffs.
Mrs. Wing is a low key K-Pop fan knowing about BTS 😂 but I sincerely agree. When an athlete or on artist becomes relatable to people personally, the fans will fight for your game and achievements.
I liked the Last Dance videos a lot, mainly because of the conversation between Jodi and Chris. Chris, I’d like to point the Pacers made the conference finals the following year and the NBA finals the next one. All those years they’ve been coached by Larry Bird. So there’s the possibility that they were the ones who finally beat MJ’s Bulls.
MJ was the way he was because he's an alpha. That doesn't mean that he's not a nice person, but when it comes to basketball, like Chris said, he knows what he wants from his teammates and he'll stop at nothing until they're all on the same page. That includes bullying, harassing and pushing people to their limit. So I understand Jodie not liking MJ that much, but back then, in that era of basketball, it was kill or be killed. I've always corrected people about the 'flu game' but to no avail. It's the same thing with the 'Bred' moniker, which makes no sense. All in all, I loved the mini series. And yes, I'd loved it more if they inserted just a short clip of MJ during his Wizards stint, but this is awesome too.
MJ respects Rodman more than Pippen because he knows Rodman will empty the tank in each game just like him. Also, MJ is a gym rat and so is Rodman. Basically, they are the same person with many differences but with one thing in common - both like to WIN.
Tbh the last Danced made me buy the Jordan 5 fire red and I eventually gave them to my cousin. That's how good that series was, I didn't care for them, but I wanted to Be Like MIKE.
Indiana went to the Finals against LA but then got stumped by Shaq and Kobe. :) But yeah... a lot of Hall of Famers were cockblocked by MJ for a ring though and this was during the time that players did not try to team up and go the super team route.
The story on the pizza is that the other guys had eaten a full meal without MJ, and he said that noone else could have any.
Also, you can't forget Dale and Antonio Davis, Derrick McKey, and Jalen Rose were all on that Pacers team! Killer squad.