I felt disappointed for you when you were shown not to have sleep apnea, as this means you continue the journey of not knowing what is wrong with you. I honestly want mine to be positive, so I finally fix whatever it is that is wrecking my sleep.
Then it's time to go to your Dr and get a physical done. And talk about your symptoms. If it's not sleep apnea it could be something as easy as just maybe losing some weight. At worst something heart related if that's the case definitely get checked out. Maybe go get an Angiogram.
@@milliem8051It’s a gamble; in-lab sleep studies can measure many things WatchPAT tests can’t, but WatchPAT at least *attempts* to measure RERAs, which in-lab tests (or the people scoring them) frequently don’t. I have done in-lab tests that made it seem like I had no sleep apnea or only minimal sleep apnea. When I use WatchPAT, it is more clear. (I appear to have something more along the lines of UARS than “classic” sleep apnea with a bunch of big oxygen drops.)
This looks very interesting. I did a sleep study in a lab many years ago. It was pretty awful. I don't know how anyone can actually sleep connected to all of those wires. I felt like I didn't sleep at all that night. The report said I slept something like 2 hours and then they put a CPAP on me for another couple of hours. These less invasive devices seem like they would be much more accurate if you can actually sleep with them on.
At home tests through the hospital can cost up to twelve thousand dollars. Insurance gives you maybe $200 back, or not. More electrodes, but very similar results.
If sleep apnea is observed are you provided a prescription for a c pap machine? Furthermore, how are the required c pap machine settings (pressure) determined?
I rather do this than go to the lab. Doctor gave me 3 months to do a sleep test so I can be medically certified for a good while. Let’s see how this works
I'm in the same boat!,I just turned 50 and been a truck driver now for 28 years,I went to renew my medical card and was given a 3 month card and ordered to do a sleep study I just did my sleep study last night and I'm waiting on my results and go from there.
Everything about the item is awesome, except for the finger thing it's was very uncomfortable it wake me up around 2 hours of usage my finger was hurting, hopefully they start working on an adjustable version other than that the test and setup was very easy
What if you get out of bed to go to the bathroom in the night? Does the tracker record this as an awake period? Does it negate or invalidate the results?
How can I use the data from this test to talk to my doctor about it? Will my doctor consider the results of it legitimate? Cuz they are the one to prescribe an apnoe breathing machine and to set it up properly.
How well do you typically breathe through your nose? It might be worth trying mouth tape that is made to wear while sleeping to keep your mouth shut and force breathing through your nose.
I have used this on multiple occasions and my snoring is not as bad when my mouth is not open, I recommend it to soften the loudness for sure, but I still snore!
I wish I snored, having dreams where your nose slowly clogs and you lose the ability to breath is the worst. Having your morning start by you suffocating to death in your dream is not a good way to start the day.
One night only. The main disadvantage, in my mind, other than that it doesn’t directly measure breathing nor brain activity. I’ve used WatchPAT several times and only screwed one up. (It was my fault.)
The one piece of this that doesn’t make sense to me is how your RDI was 8.9 and yet the conclusion was that you don’t have sleep apnea. Although AHI is the more standard number, you still had more than 5 events per hour which should technically qualify you as having mild sleep apnea (or UARS, depending on who you ask). I think you should do a follow-up video where you get an in-lab sleep study (PSG) that measures RERAs/microarousals and let us know what happened. P.S. To be clear, it’s possible that your sleep apnea is mild enough that it’s not even worth messing with CPAP and other potential solutions, especially if you feel good during the day. But I’m very curious about the truth of the matter here. Cheers!
guess it depends on what you read and where. I read somewhere that 7 events an hour was nothing and didnt even qualify. When you are having 60-100/ hr (people with actual issues), 7/hr sounds like nothing
Great point. But we've had several people in our office try these out and they report sleeping quite well with the device. So for what it's worth, it's better than 27 wires all over your body! ruclips.net/video/plf0mWIf7S0/видео.html
The test gathers all the information it needs in one night to determine whether you suffer from sleep apnea. You can learn more here: shop.sleepdoctor.com/
@@cyrils.1194 as an alternate, they have phone apps that actually work pretty good for this, some free, some like $5-$15. I was having like 90 events/hr with terrible stats, then compared to using a mouthpiece for both snoring and teeth grinding, and while there was an improvement, the stats were still pretty bad, and suggested dr visit for severe apnea
You could sleep on your stomach, yes. There is a little chest sensor but it’s not very thick (about 1 cm, maybe?) so I imagine it wouldn’t be too uncomfortable.* You can wear a shirt if you want, but you don’t have to. *The reason I have to imagine this part is because, although I have done many WatchPAT tests, I never sleep on my stomach! 🙂
@@419chris419Disagree. I have insurance and I find that I can expect to pay about $1,000 for an in-lab study. (Prove me wrong on my next one, universe!) The way we pay for healthcare in the US is fucking stupid.
Zero measurements from the nose or mouth and people think this thing is anywhere close to being accurate. What an unfortunate misrepresentation of a legit test. Insurance companies love these because they're ALWAYS lower than a real test.
It *could* have good sensitivity and specificity. It’s unclear, at least to me. Ideally, you would also get direct measurements of both the brain (EEG) and breathing.
@@RyanWilliams222 My biggest issue is there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for it to be accurate. The very definition of an obstructive apnea is a cessation of airflow for at least 10 seconds while maintaining effort in the chest or stomach. So a sensor on the chest that is monitoring rise and fall would have zero ability to pick up on an apnea.
@@JohnSmith-xn8icI’m not awake enough to have this full conversation right now, but let’s do one little piece of it. If a person wore a pulse oximeter overnight at home and it accurately recorded that their oxygen dropped by 3% or more 65 times per hour, and often dropped into the low 80s, would you say that has good predictive value about whether they have sleep apnea, despite the fact that it directly measures neither the brain nor breathing?
@@RyanWilliams222 Not necessarily as pulse ox will drop with movement. The patient could literally just have PLMS and zero respiratory events. I've seen it many times in my 25 years in the field.
You might have been paid to do this...I'm not really sure, but the only way for you to know if these at home devices are truly working is to also go to a sleep lab and get a test done and compare the actual laboratory tests to all of your at home tests sweetheart. It's very simple ...actually a monkey could probably do it... For you to sit there and say you don't have sleep apnea....When those tests are known to show a lesser score than normal, I have severe central sleep apnea and an at home test showed 5.5 meaning moderate ....was not correct.
hmm I'm so glad I live in Canada and didn't have to pay for the testing kit. Simply pick up at the hospital then drop it off another day, i dont sleep enough one night,i can just redo the screening another night. Seems crazy to pay 200$ USD simply for the testing kit when its not even accompanied by a doctor's visit - I was told by the nurse if I do not have sleep apnea, then I will go through the sleep clinic on follow up to look for alternative treatments and solutions, so its all kept under one roof so to say
This is the same test that I am using at home from my local hospital sleep lab ordered by my pulmonologist. I am hoping it works but still if it detects that I still DO have sleep apnea.. there is no way that this test can titrat your pressure needed. So that means back to the sleep lab again. I don’t know until they tell me and it is extremely different than when I was dx with apnea back in 2004!
How low would you say is too low for a healthy active young person who’s asleep? My resting heart rate is about 45 BPM if you’re just looking at sleep, which I don’t think is crazy. I’m about 40 years old, in relatively good shape, but not at all an athlete / distance runner or anything.
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I felt disappointed for you when you were shown not to have sleep apnea, as this means you continue the journey of not knowing what is wrong with you. I honestly want mine to be positive, so I finally fix whatever it is that is wrecking my sleep.
Then it's time to go to your Dr and get a physical done. And talk about your symptoms. If it's not sleep apnea it could be something as easy as just maybe losing some weight. At worst something heart related if that's the case definitely get checked out. Maybe go get an Angiogram.
You might need an in lab study. In home tests won’t detect all types of sleep apneas or upper airway resistance, and other sleep disorders
@@milliem8051It’s a gamble; in-lab sleep studies can measure many things WatchPAT tests can’t, but WatchPAT at least *attempts* to measure RERAs, which in-lab tests (or the people scoring them) frequently don’t.
I have done in-lab tests that made it seem like I had no sleep apnea or only minimal sleep apnea. When I use WatchPAT, it is more clear. (I appear to have something more along the lines of UARS than “classic” sleep apnea with a bunch of big oxygen drops.)
This looks very interesting. I did a sleep study in a lab many years ago. It was pretty awful. I don't know how anyone can actually sleep connected to all of those wires. I felt like I didn't sleep at all that night. The report said I slept something like 2 hours and then they put a CPAP on me for another couple of hours. These less invasive devices seem like they would be much more accurate if you can actually sleep with them on.
At home tests through the hospital can cost up to twelve thousand dollars. Insurance gives you maybe $200 back, or not. More electrodes, but very similar results.
If sleep apnea is observed are you provided a prescription for a c pap machine? Furthermore, how are the required c pap machine settings (pressure) determined?
Im doing one through sleep doctor using this same device. They will issue a prescription if you have sleep apnea
I rather do this than go to the lab. Doctor gave me 3 months to do a sleep test so I can be medically certified for a good while. Let’s see how this works
I'm in the same boat!,I just turned 50 and been a truck driver now for 28 years,I went to renew my medical card and was given a 3 month card and ordered to do a sleep study I just did my sleep study last night and I'm waiting on my results and go from there.
Any luck using this at home test and taking it back to the clinic to clear you for 2 years ?
Everything about the item is awesome, except for the finger thing it's was very uncomfortable it wake me up around 2 hours of usage my finger was hurting, hopefully they start working on an adjustable version other than that the test and setup was very easy
That's great feedback! We've heard similar things from other people and will look into it.
@@SleepIsTheFoundation OK... Did you look into it?
They say to use a smaller finger if the index is too big/uncomfortable
@@gregm8076 I don't think other than the index finger will work
@@AZ50428 it says in the app that you can use any other finger except for the thumb
What if you get out of bed to go to the bathroom in the night? Does the tracker record this as an awake period? Does it negate or invalidate the results?
It records it as an awake period, yes. It won’t mess up the test.
How can I use the data from this test to talk to my doctor about it? Will my doctor consider the results of it legitimate? Cuz they are the one to prescribe an apnoe breathing machine and to set it up properly.
thank you, Sir! please tell me the difference between the WatchPat One and the WatchPat 300 i was given?
How well do you typically breathe through your nose? It might be worth trying mouth tape that is made to wear while sleeping to keep your mouth shut and force breathing through your nose.
I have used this on multiple occasions and my snoring is not as bad when my mouth is not open, I recommend it to soften the loudness for sure, but I still snore!
I wish I snored, having dreams where your nose slowly clogs and you lose the ability to breath is the worst. Having your morning start by you suffocating to death in your dream is not a good way to start the day.
Where are your other videos and other products you review?
Soo it's not reusable? Even if data was reset?
I’m confused, you can only use this device one night? Another video on this says you can use it for up to 3 nights.
One night only. The main disadvantage, in my mind, other than that it doesn’t directly measure breathing nor brain activity. I’ve used WatchPAT several times and only screwed one up. (It was my fault.)
The one piece of this that doesn’t make sense to me is how your RDI was 8.9 and yet the conclusion was that you don’t have sleep apnea. Although AHI is the more standard number, you still had more than 5 events per hour which should technically qualify you as having mild sleep apnea (or UARS, depending on who you ask).
I think you should do a follow-up video where you get an in-lab sleep study (PSG) that measures RERAs/microarousals and let us know what happened.
P.S. To be clear, it’s possible that your sleep apnea is mild enough that it’s not even worth messing with CPAP and other potential solutions, especially if you feel good during the day. But I’m very curious about the truth of the matter here. Cheers!
guess it depends on what you read and where. I read somewhere that 7 events an hour was nothing and didnt even qualify. When you are having 60-100/ hr (people with actual issues), 7/hr sounds like nothing
Great info. I may do this as i think I may have sleep apena
Damn it takes me a while to sleep and if I’m trying something new, it will be likely that I am too nervous to get any results bc I won’t sleep
Great point. But we've had several people in our office try these out and they report sleeping quite well with the device. So for what it's worth, it's better than 27 wires all over your body! ruclips.net/video/plf0mWIf7S0/видео.html
What about BRB? Nature's calls. . . .
So will the provider write a prescription for a cpap or similar device?
Good question
yes, they do
Thank you for sharing
What do you mean one night only? How is that?
The test gathers all the information it needs in one night to determine whether you suffer from sleep apnea. You can learn more here: shop.sleepdoctor.com/
Yes but if I want to test if my apnea resolves with a mouth piece I'd need to use it a second time@@SleepIsTheFoundation
@@cyrils.1194 as an alternate, they have phone apps that actually work pretty good for this, some free, some like $5-$15. I was having like 90 events/hr with terrible stats, then compared to using a mouthpiece for both snoring and teeth grinding, and while there was an improvement, the stats were still pretty bad, and suggested dr visit for severe apnea
Can we sleep on our stomachs with this on? Do we need a shirt on as well?
You could sleep on your stomach, yes. There is a little chest sensor but it’s not very thick (about 1 cm, maybe?) so I imagine it wouldn’t be too uncomfortable.* You can wear a shirt if you want, but you don’t have to.
*The reason I have to imagine this part is because, although I have done many WatchPAT tests, I never sleep on my stomach! 🙂
@@RyanWilliams222 Thank you!
Possibly check into whether your adenoids are adversely affecting your sleep.
Interesting video. Too expensice for my budget
Cheaper than a lab study.
@@CreachterZ not if you have insurance for it
@@419chris419 you've got awesome insurance if a multi thousand dollar test comes with no co-pay or deductible.
@@419chris419Disagree. I have insurance and I find that I can expect to pay about $1,000 for an in-lab study. (Prove me wrong on my next one, universe!) The way we pay for healthcare in the US is fucking stupid.
Zero measurements from the nose or mouth and people think this thing is anywhere close to being accurate. What an unfortunate misrepresentation of a legit test. Insurance companies love these because they're ALWAYS lower than a real test.
It *could* have good sensitivity and specificity. It’s unclear, at least to me. Ideally, you would also get direct measurements of both the brain (EEG) and breathing.
@@RyanWilliams222 My biggest issue is there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for it to be accurate. The very definition of an obstructive apnea is a cessation of airflow for at least 10 seconds while maintaining effort in the chest or stomach. So a sensor on the chest that is monitoring rise and fall would have zero ability to pick up on an apnea.
@@JohnSmith-xn8icI’m not awake enough to have this full conversation right now, but let’s do one little piece of it. If a person wore a pulse oximeter overnight at home and it accurately recorded that their oxygen dropped by 3% or more 65 times per hour, and often dropped into the low 80s, would you say that has good predictive value about whether they have sleep apnea, despite the fact that it directly measures neither the brain nor breathing?
@@RyanWilliams222 Not necessarily as pulse ox will drop with movement. The patient could literally just have PLMS and zero respiratory events. I've seen it many times in my 25 years in the field.
You might have been paid to do this...I'm not really sure, but the only way for you to know if these at home devices are truly working is to also go to a sleep lab and get a test done and compare the actual laboratory tests to all of your at home tests sweetheart. It's very simple ...actually a monkey could probably do it... For you to sit there and say you don't have sleep apnea....When those tests are known to show a lesser score than normal, I have severe central sleep apnea and an at home test showed 5.5 meaning moderate ....was not correct.
hmm I'm so glad I live in Canada and didn't have to pay for the testing kit. Simply pick up at the hospital then drop it off another day, i dont sleep enough one night,i can just redo the screening another night. Seems crazy to pay 200$ USD simply for the testing kit when its not even accompanied by a doctor's visit - I was told by the nurse if I do not have sleep apnea, then I will go through the sleep clinic on follow up to look for alternative treatments and solutions, so its all kept under one roof so to say
This test is not reliable in the least. It is classified as "technically adequate", that is it could possibly work. It doesn't.
This is the same test that I am using at home from my local hospital sleep lab ordered by my pulmonologist. I am hoping it works but still if it detects that I still DO have sleep apnea.. there is no way that this test can titrat your pressure needed. So that means back to the sleep lab again. I don’t know until they tell me and it is extremely different than when I was dx with apnea back in 2004!
Single use makes this useless, IMO.
Not useless, that’s how an in-lab study works. Of course, it would be better if you could use it multiple times.
Did that say your lowest heart rate was 37? That's too low.
How low would you say is too low for a healthy active young person who’s asleep? My resting heart rate is about 45 BPM if you’re just looking at sleep, which I don’t think is crazy. I’m about 40 years old, in relatively good shape, but not at all an athlete / distance runner or anything.