The Only Good Indians Book DISCUSSION [Spoilers]

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  • Опубликовано: 4 янв 2025

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  • @andrewwilson6412
    @andrewwilson6412 10 месяцев назад +1

    I really liked this discussion. Thank you!
    I also wanted to add that for the Elk Head Woman, closing the loop through killing didn’t actually heal her hate. Finding her calf and love ended up closing her personal loop - which I though was really an important lesson in the book and a really lovely ending to a horror story.

  • @muddled_moogle
    @muddled_moogle 3 года назад +19

    I finished this book last week and it has been haunting me (in a good way) ever since. Stephen Graham Jones absolutely knocked this story out of the park! His writing style is both simple yet poignant: it conveys so much without leaning on distracting, flowery prose. The line that describes Lewis falling from the ladder and his mind taking pictures like a camera in slow-mo is one of my favorites. The real strength of his writing is in the characterization. He didn't create horror story victims; he created real people with lives that felt lived, with hopes and dreams for a future that would never be. And even though Lewis murders two people in cold blood I still couldn't bring myself to hate him. Elk Head Woman was both terrifying and sympathetic. I couldn't hate her either. If that doesn't speak towards Jones' masterful characterizations, I don't know what will.
    Thank you so much for introducing me to my new favorite author! I'm planning on reading Demon Theory next.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад +1

      Wow! I loved your comment! and I felt that way about the characters also. They were also so beautifully flawed and likable. His artistry is something that I will continue to seek out because I connect it. And I also enjoy that, even if I don't connect to characters, they make me think and ponder things in a different light.
      This story stayed with me too. I am due for a reread and I am glad you enjoyed the book. I will be reading Night of the Mannequins soon, and I cannot wait for his next novel, My Heart is a Chainsaw. Excited!

    • @muddled_moogle
      @muddled_moogle 3 года назад

      @@NativeLadyBookWarrior Oooooh, I'm gonna preorder My Heart is a Chainsaw!

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      @@muddled_moogle yayyyyy!

  • @raya2491
    @raya2491 4 года назад +13

    I agree so much that Elk Head Woman's humanization made this so much more terrifying, and I was also rooting for Denorah so hard during their game! I love your words of encouragement that all Natives are able to ignite our Denorah "spark" and stop the cycles of violence and rupture. Thoughts to you and your loved ones as well during these times, thanks for sharing this review!!

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +2

      YES!! Elk Head Woman was scary! She reminded me of this story my mom once told me and it scared me like none other. And the basketball was such a sweet touch. Felt like i was there. And Native people are resilient, and survivors, and we have that strength running in our veins. Whew! The beauty of that is such a thing to see when one can be that strength. :)

  • @pixiesgarden8353
    @pixiesgarden8353 4 года назад +12

    Listening to the audiobook helped me keep track of the switch of the characters' point of view. Poor Harley! People dying in books don't affect me as much as animals being killed. When the reader was given Elk Head Woman's point of view, it helped me connect with my strength as a woman and my own Mama Elk strength; it also helped me realized that I still have that power as an aunt. I had to stop listening at one point because I so emotional about what had been done to the Elk cow. As soon as Lewis remembered about distributing the Elk meat, and that there might be some forgotten portion of it, I thought "Yeah, this isn't gonna be good." I cried when Denora said "I'm sorry" to the Elk bones. I felt like the Elk cow being killed before her time, could also be a metaphor for MMIW. This is definitely one my favorite books of the year. The Only Good Indians was the first book I read by Stephen Graham Jones, but it won't be my last.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +2

      I have pets too and that part ruined me but it also scared the crap outta me, yes, RIP Harley. Elk Head Woman's pov was so good. And I couldn't hate her. Heck yeah, I was scared of her but I understood her drive. Deborah's empathy struck true and it moved me. There are so many strong Indigenous women that I know parallel. And, It does ring a bell for MMIWG and Relatives, but it also can relate to so many other traumas (including intergenerational, forgot to mention that in the video) and injustices native people face. Like sexual assault, suicide, DV, sex trafficking, our crazy jurisdictional complexities, our sovereignty issues, and even our men who have also face oppression and trauma. There's so much in this book and now I'm pondering to whether the audiobook also 🤔. And same, this won't be my last video of SGJ work.

  • @tangd4357
    @tangd4357 4 года назад +7

    I just finished this book over the past weekend and LOVED it! SGJ's take on Denorah as the 'final girl' is my favorite by far (granted I am still relatively new to the horror genre). My favorite scene was between Gabe and Cass during the purification ceremony...how it painted a picture of their deep friendship, but went south very quickly! In the acknowledgment page, SGJ mentions that he got inspiration from Loiuse Erdrich's Antelope Woman which made me place that book on my immediate tbr! Great review!!

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +2

      Yes TOGI is my favorite book so far this year! Im still new to Horror also and never did I think I love it so much. My fav scene was the conclusion and basketball scene btw Elk Head Woman and Denorah. It was awesome! And yes I heard that Antelope Woman use to be called Antelope Wife and Louise re-edited. Im excited to read that too

  • @brunagottschalk
    @brunagottschalk 5 месяцев назад +1

    I'm Brazilian, I read this book as soon as it came out in Portuguese, but maybe I'm just not familiar enough with Blackfeet culture, but I didn't really understand if Shaney was just another victim or if she really was, in a way, the Elk Head Woman because at the end she reappears as Shaney.... I was lost in this part but the book was fantastic!

  • @erins_library
    @erins_library 4 года назад +4

    Love hearing your thoughts!! I don’t play basketball, but our version of the Thanksgiving classic is called Gold Medal and happens in March. It’s so fun, because everyone comes to town! I was definitely getting nostalgia vibes.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      Yes! Where I am from Running is very significant both culturally, spiritually, and of course athletically. Basketball too. Our gyms fill up. Even for elementary games.

  • @sjthorn
    @sjthorn 4 года назад +4

    I'm not an own voices reader, so there was so much that went over my head, and I've really enjoyed listening to your spoilery review, so I can better appreciate what I didn't understand and thus better appreciate the book on a deeper level. Also, I just found your channel and will definitely be subscribing.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +2

      Thanks for watching the discussion video. I need to change my description on my video. But I am learning more everyday thanks to some awesome friends but although I am an Indigenous person, I am not Blackfeet. So I am an Indigenous book reviewer but not wholly own voices because Blackfeet is an entirely different tribe. And I am not Blackfeet. I am belkng to the Hopi Tribe. But we do share experiences like racial injustice, discrimination, etc especially bc the govt puts us in one category. Idk if that makes sense. Haha. But thank u for watching and thank you for commenting 😁😊❤

  • @scherezadekhan9787
    @scherezadekhan9787 4 года назад +3

    I loved this discussion! This is my favorite book I read this year - denorah as the "final girl" was extraordinary and sobbed at the end, and I almost never cry at books! Thank you for sharing your perspective, I look forward to more of your recs ☺️

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      Wow! Thank you 😊😁😊. Yes Deborah's awesome! She my hero. Haha. And the ending.. I was crying and kept crying bc I kept rereadingbthose last few pages. Thank you for watching 😁

  • @allisonpaiges
    @allisonpaiges 3 года назад +1

    i personally struggled to connect with this one but i was also ignorant to a lot of the meaning within it. absolutely loved hearing your passion for these pages. thank you so much for this energetic and educational review. 💛

  • @TheMistya12
    @TheMistya12 2 года назад

    man, first off thank you so much for your commentary, it was really so good, especially after having just finished the last page. Second, I really loved what you said about Denorah and her breaking the cycle of violence, it helped me better understand the book!

  • @beckyduff
    @beckyduff 4 года назад +3

    The garage scene with Shaney getting killed 😱😱 and with her and Peta and Lewis taking their teeth *cringe*.
    Also, in my latest video, you can see that the kids are throwing sticky things up on the ceiling and they ask for a ladder to get them off and I'm like NO LADDERS... EVER!
    I really appreciate hearing your review as an own voices review, as you picked up on more than I did. But I really enjoyed this book and all the gruesome and disturbing scenes aside, I also found it funny.
    I agree with the whiplash with the perspective change, but I also really liked it and it wasn't too confusing. You pretty much got it right away when it changed and it wasn't like 3 paragraphers later and you're like wait what's happening?

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад

      Right?! That scene was like 😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲. Haha. It was crazy. And yes I agree on the ladders. For awhile there, my husband was upset about me not wanting to turn the ceiling fan on. And this was like late July, LOL
      I really like all those gruesome details, it got me in this mood of being panicked, and saying WTH alot. Haha. And the humor was so good too. It was weird to be both laughing, stressed out, scared and bawling like a baby.
      And the perspective shifts were interesting but gooood. To be in Elk Head Womans mind, whaaaaaaaat? Eerie right? But it was so good and on a dark level I could connect since I am a mom too.
      I'm happy you liked the book. 😁😁😁😁

    • @beckyduff
      @beckyduff 4 года назад +1

      @@NativeLadyBookWarrior I really liked that he added being in Elk Head Womans' mind, it added a really interesting perspective.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      @@beckyduff Yes it was. And it was dark. My goodness it was dark but so interesting and scary. Haha

  • @Heatherskl
    @Heatherskl 4 года назад +2

    I just finished this one last night. His writing is great - I read the book in pretty well one day because his writing is so compelling. I really liked Lewis’s character - he seemed to be the only one who really reflected on what he’d done. There are some Booktube discussions about this book coming up, so I’m looking forward to watching those because there are parts of the book I’d like to talk about (or listen to other people talk about).

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      Yes. Lewis's pov was my most tabbed section. SGJ writing had me chewing all my nails off. Lol. Im happy u liked the book. And those discussion sounds so Interesting. I'd like to watch. Let me know which booktube if u remember 😊

    • @Heatherskl
      @Heatherskl 4 года назад +1

      Native Lady Book Warrior The ones I remember are Books with Lala is doing it as part of her Literally Dead bookclub in November, I think. The Artisan Geek is doing it as a book discussion on October 31 as part of her Fright Night Frights readathon.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      @@Heatherskl ooooo! Nice! Thanks for the heads up. I love lala! Shes awesome. Her read eh thon content was fun to watch

  • @lala-ow9wb
    @lala-ow9wb 3 года назад

    Just finished this a few minutes ago and immediately went to watch reviews to get all this energy and hype out of my system. Loved your enthusiasm!

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      Thanks very much for watching! I couldn't wait to talk about this book when I read it. Kunah'ah!

  • @jelissakollaard5851
    @jelissakollaard5851 3 года назад +1

    I just finished this book. It's easily one of my favourites for this year. And it led me to your channel!

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      Yayyy! That makes me happy 😁🙌🏾. Also his nee book just came out, My Heart is. Chainsaw. Check it out ❤

  • @barebow_cercatrova
    @barebow_cercatrova 3 года назад +2

    I loved that book in a way I haven’t loved a book in many years. It just leveled me.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад +1

      Definitely! My emotions were all over the place and this book was able to cover so many topics in Indigenous community without being so blunt or obvious about it. And the symbolism! Whoa! I haven't done a best reads video of 2020 like all the other booktubers but this book is definitely at the top of that list

  • @Blixiewithwaffles
    @Blixiewithwaffles 8 месяцев назад +1

    I stayed up until 1 AM to finish the book once we got to see from Elk Head Woman's pov i couldnt put it down but HOW DID SHE GET SO GOOD AT BASKETBALL??
    I was really in love with the idea of the elk having anscestral menories and elk head woman even being born out of the herd's anscestral memory and do all elk know basketball from watchibg people? That part is just going to stick with me forever

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  8 месяцев назад

      That part just brought me back to so many memories of just watching really talented natives play. There's something wonderful watching a fully packed rez gym packed at a basketball game.

  • @MsAwesomeSaucey
    @MsAwesomeSaucey 4 года назад +1

    I was really interested to read this book based on your spoiler free review as well as other indigenous booktubers. And let me tell you, I’m glad I did! I loved how the story played out but many aspects went over my head since I am not an own voices reader so it’s great to have your spoiler review! ❤️

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      I am glad u read. This was a powerful read for me. The ending, I was in tears and that ending stuck with me for a bit. I immediately got the book for my mom. And im waiting to hear her thoughts. 😁😁😁❤❤❤

  • @juliannequinn243
    @juliannequinn243 6 месяцев назад +1

    Loved this video thank you!!

  • @hilaryrobles9190
    @hilaryrobles9190 3 года назад +1

    I got emotional reading this book. Thank you for this review.

  • @18wolfspirit
    @18wolfspirit 3 года назад +2

    Kill Count:
    White Patrons: 1
    Gabe: 4
    Lewis: 2
    Ricky: 1
    Cass: 2
    Po’noka: 4
    Manhunt Members: 1
    Total: 15

  • @pastelwriter
    @pastelwriter 3 года назад +1

    I read this book last month...and it just sank its claws into me. It was so so so GOOD. I couldn’t stop thinking about it for days after reading it. It took me until now to review it because it had such an emotional impact that I couldn’t even make myself type out everything I felt.
    Lewis’ whole story line tho was the one that messed me up the most. I felt like I was having an out of body experience once the turning point hit and he was doing so many horrible things because he was losing all sense of what was real 😭💔

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад +1

      This is such a powerful book. At the end I was crying. I read the arc of the book but it was still very impactful. The twist and turns also made me feel some serious anxiety and had me finishing this book into the early hours. I sat and cried and reread those last pages over and over

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад +1

      I am so happy you enjoyed it. The social commentary in this book is also pretty extraordinary. How Jones is able to fold Indigenous issues into the story, and doing it with humor. It is genius and it flowed quite well.

    • @pastelwriter
      @pastelwriter 3 года назад +1

      @@NativeLadyBookWarrior Yes!!! The humor is so good!
      I also found myself rereading the ending 😩 I just needed a moment to take it all in
      The book is for sure going to be one of my favorites of the year. It was just brilliant!

  • @DontHaveaDegreeinReading
    @DontHaveaDegreeinReading 4 года назад +1

    i am so glad that i watched your original review because i immediately purchased the ebook and i thoroughly enjoyed it. phew, i don't understand how some think that this isn't scary because this had the most disturbing and unsettling scenes that i have ever read. harley's death was especially brutal for me to hear/read because i am such a huge dog lover.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад

      Yay! U read. Im glad you enjoyed and yes the horror was crazy scary. I was having nightmares about elk head woman for a bit. Some of the horror community are even wanting this to become a movie! I was like....whoa! That would be so scary if it fell into the right hands.
      I was a dog owner too. Shes not with us anymore but she was very protective and good with my kids and that part was gut wreching for me too. And I think that's why it was so sad bc we see, well me personally, the lost of a dog itself is so sad, but the lost of a dog that way is scary bc they are a protector and then u start to feel vulnerable. Then on top of that dealing with loss. And then losing your mind with that threatening act.
      Thank u for commenting!
      I was also excited to see Brody (Indigenous booktuber) is reading the only good Indians for IndigAThon. 😁😁😁

    • @DontHaveaDegreeinReading
      @DontHaveaDegreeinReading 4 года назад +1

      @@NativeLadyBookWarrior i love brody! i think it's a group read, right? if so, i will definitely be jumping in to discuss with everyone.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад

      @@DontHaveaDegreeinReading Brody is awesome! They are reading it for the Literally Dead Book Club. But Brody is also reading it for IndigAThon. Along with SGJ's other book Mongrels which Brody is reading for another book club. Was it Spooky Bitches book club. 🤔 I cant remember ugh. But yes. Hopefully I'll be able to jump on too 😁

  • @JoshsBookishVoyage
    @JoshsBookishVoyage 3 года назад +1

    great review. I liked this book, but I need to reread it. i feel that way about pretty much all of SGJ books.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      Yes! I reread again when I finished. It's such a great read. 😁😁😁

  • @Ludacrystal43
    @Ludacrystal43 4 года назад +3

    I finally finished this book and OH. MY. GOD. It was terrifying. And so so good.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад

      Yes, right?! I had nightmares the first night. Then the second night I was in a frezy reading pages. And the 3rd night I was bawling, in tears. This book is 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

  • @kackljas
    @kackljas 3 года назад

    Just finished reading "The Only Good Indians" today. Just FYI, if you happen to be at Barnes and Noble and happen see it out of the shelf, grab a copy as soon as you can, because when I bought it they didn't have it out on the shelf any more, the guy had to get it in the "overstock" section in the back. Anyways, this was a mind altering book. I'll admit, I didn't know what to think of the author's style for the first 50 pages or so. It felt like an awkward mash-up of Stephen King, Tom Robbins, and Carlos Castaneda. I'm glad I stuck it out, the style grew on me as the story built up. It's a tale that mixes a lot of elements together with a lot of whiplash surprises and innovation. I can't wait for "Chainsaw" in August.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      I got a review copy of My Heart is a Chainsaw. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it this month 😁😁😁

  • @nicnackscorner1031
    @nicnackscorner1031 4 года назад +1

    This was my favorite read of this year so far. You're bang on.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      Awesome! Thank you, ku'nahah.
      And same for me! 😁🙌🏾 This book is goooooooood! It was packed with horror, fun, and I enjoyed the Native humor immensely. 😊👍🏾

    • @nicnackscorner1031
      @nicnackscorner1031 4 года назад +1

      @@NativeLadyBookWarrior I thought SGJ was amazing. I'm looking for his other work. The elk lady was creepy as hell. I look forward to more reviews from you.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад +1

      @@nicnackscorner1031 Really?! Whoa, awesome. And I would welcome u back with snacks and food if I could. 😁
      Elk Head Woman gave me nightmares. I remember this one story my grandma or aunt told once and it involved a deer and it scared the crap outta me!😱😱😱 This book took me back there. SGJ is amazing, this book is mt favorite read of the year so far ❤

    • @nicnackscorner1031
      @nicnackscorner1031 4 года назад +1

      @@NativeLadyBookWarrior I also have a review up on my channel. I grew up outside of a reservation so reading this just was definitely a memory flood. I love learning about first Nations history and cryptology.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад

      @@nicnackscorner1031 Nice, Ill be checking that out after work. HAGD! Thank u so much, ku'nahah for commenting 😁

  • @MyaMcKinstry
    @MyaMcKinstry 3 года назад +1

    Hi, How would you say Lewis’ conflicted relationship with his Indian identity is developed throughout this section of the novel, including the ways that conflict is reflected through his relationships with Peta and Shaney?

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      You would have to ask Lewis about that, lol. But for real. Because again Native people are not a monolith although we may share similar challenges. With me, Lewis and most of the characters, there is so much guilt. Not only with identity, but also parenthood. With home. With their past. And its always lovely and/or interesting to see Jones turn Indigenous struggles and realities into horror. As for Lewis's internal thoughts on identity, it can be just as complex as anyone who is in an interracial relationship but one thing I thought about (and I say I bc maybe not all Natives think about this) is is blood quantum when it cames to starting a family. I don't care about it now, because now I feel identity is more than just math. And also that blood quantum is a colonial construct but yet colonists have left Native people to struggle with it. And that's on top of the stereotypes, the racism, the brutal violence we face bc settler colonists have the picture of us that dehumanizes us. And simultaneously we are also struggling with our own thoughts of identity (or me atleast). I probably don't make any sense at this point. But as for your specific question, that can have many answers depending on with Indigenous person u ask.

  • @irenefromChicago
    @irenefromChicago 4 года назад +1

    So gory but dang so good. This book jolted me out of bed with nightmares.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  4 года назад

      Me too! My husband's foot was broken at the time and I was taking out the trash for a bit. And I was running back to the house thinking someone was behind me. LoL

  • @Kianarevision
    @Kianarevision 4 года назад +1

    \Awesome video! I think you'd like my videos too. Keep up with the fantastic work! 💜❤️

  • @Italianamuneca
    @Italianamuneca 3 года назад +2

    I did not like this book one bit. Didn't know what was going on or where the horror was. LOL. I heard it on audio.

    • @NativeLadyBookWarrior
      @NativeLadyBookWarrior  3 года назад

      Awww. Sorry this book wasn't good for you. I read an arc and it was so good

    • @joebees21
      @joebees21 2 года назад

      It's probably because you haven't bothered to take the time to look into Indigenous folklore. Really enhances the novel when you realise that it isn't horror that's necessarily surrounding your experience of life.

    • @Italianamuneca
      @Italianamuneca 2 года назад +1

      @@joebees21 As a matter of fact, I'm Native American on my dad's side. I just prefer the old timers in horror like Dan Simmons and Richard Laymon.

  • @tmorgan3988
    @tmorgan3988 4 года назад

    New viewer