I feel the exact same way. It's like most things in life.........balance. There's no reason to shake granny's pictures off the wall, but nobody can stomach a brand new stock motorcycle that sounds like a sewing machine either.
Your attitude towards exhaust notes and volumes resonates with mine. I live by a busy road and the bikes (no matter the type or size) with no baffles are just obnoxious, and the sound is way worse for everyone else than themselves. So, in my opinion, it's not just selfish to go baffle-free, it's on par with vandalism in terms of knowingly and willfully annoying the general public.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, from the bike you can hear the noise a bit but the wind muffles it. The person standing still as the bike goes by is the one who gets the full blast.
“The exhaust system is an attack on individual freedom by hippies, communists, and other undesirables” That was quite possibly one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a long time. Actually got a loud chuckle out of me 😂! Great video!
In slow traffic its still nice to be able to announce your presence with a little blip once in a while. I was unable to do that with my stocks and a guy pulled into me because "i didnt see you". A "medium loud" is probably the most civil way to go about it.
Good informative video with little bias or bias explained. Thank you!! IMO I put Delkevic slipons on my FJR for a few reasons 1) In spite of the study in an average slow moving traffic situation, I know others can hear me and may glance over. Knowing I’m there. 2) Stock exhaust sound is so quiet all I hear is the valve train, the sewing machine sound. Hearing some exhaust note helps with gear shifting I seem to smooth out the shift when I hear the exhaust. 3) The FJR is heavy at 650 lbs. Twin stock exhaust adds about 15 lbs over the slipons. I take off the side bags and the bike drops below 600 lbs. much more fun.
Right on! I went with V&H Twin Slash slip-ons on my 2014 XL1200T. Within a week I put in the quiet baffles. Yep, it was still too loud! I now have a 2019 FXLR with the following upgrades: Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module Screamin’ Eagle Ventilator Air Cleaner Kit Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold Screamin’ Eagle Street Cannon Slip-On Mufflers Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit Sounds and runs like a real Harley!
My T7 looks and is set up much like yours, and I have to agree that the exhaust sound is just too quiet.....most of the time I end up driving it off the tach as I can't hear it over the wind and road noise! That Mivv looks and sounds great, may have to go that way on mine at some point as well! And yeah, I'd probly keep that baffle in as well, same thoughts on good sounds while keeping it respectful to my neighbors! Cheers to you both, always great content and well made videos!
Yes! Modern cars are too insulated against sound now days, add a radio and running AC with the windows up and no driver is going to hear you. Thank you for stating this!
Honestly i agree with this. I had a hornet 900 with the end baffles removed by the first owner. I loved it. It had a sweet bassy rumbling growl to it, but once you got moving it was difficult to hear over the wind. It was perfect! If I ever do purchase a bike again I’m problably going to leave it stock for the first year or two or until I get bored.
I have owned three Harleys in recent years. My Sportster had a stock exhaust. I cut the baffle out, drilled the holes larger and welded it back in. I achieved the rumble I was looking for withou excessive noise. My next was also a used bike, a Twin Cam with Screaming Eagle pipes. It sounded nice but on longer rides got to be tiring. I took the baffles out and welded in a diverter plate. Problem solved. My next bike was also a Twin Cam but new. It sounded like a sewing machine with all the engine clatter and almost no exhaust sound. I did the same thing as what I did to the Sportster again with good results. I now have a pair of Moto Guzzis, great sound straight from the factory. Good for me although some riders put aftermarket exhausts on theirs. I don't think they sound as good as the factory pipes.
Loud pipes don’t save anyone!!! I hear the loud Harley coming I don’t know from what direction and then it blows by me!! 😡 driving carefully and being aware of your surroundings saves lives!!!
I agree with u. I changed mine to Arrow slip on. Not loud but to have a deeper sound to mask the horrible engine sound of my KTM single silinder and to save some weight.
You sir are right! On both the baffle front and on the loud pipes saving lives. Like previous comments shared, the noise level is more of a gentlemen’s agreement if u still want to have friendly neighbors , but also, since your exhaust is at your rear end, to hope the louder you are the safer you are is just false, that will only work when your rear end is at the same level as other motorists, and by that time your face may be facing the wrong way. Still, as long as u get the good sound and the others can also appreciate it you sir might have struck gold :)
Years ago, I had a Harley Fat Boy with aftermarket pipes. There were baffles involved, but they were cut down performance units that, under WOT operation, were as loud as open pipes. After eight years & 89,000 miles, I was sick of the racket. I sold that machine & have never changed the pipes on any bike since. I did notice that I was less noticed by other vehicles, pedestrians, etc on my stock exhaust bikes. Just a personal observation. Spokes, your bike sounds very nice & isn't too loud. Good choice.
Your thoughts towards mufflers and noise mirror mine exactly! And I had honestly thought that the whole ‘loud pipes save lives’ thing was just supposed to be a joke. I definitely THOUGHT it was a joke. But this isn’t the first video I’ve seen on the subject,so I guess not!
Had a street legal screaming eagle slipons on my 2008 883 XL, loved the sound.Then I tried V&H straight shots on my 2016 heritage, hated it , too loud. Then I did it again, I installed V&H short shots on my 2018 breakout, and guess what, me and my neighbors of course, hated it. I even developed a condition called tinnitus.Learned my lesson, from now on only stock pipes.
I have always thought people who claim "loud pipes save lives" know deep down it is untrue, they just like to be noticed and tend to have little consideration for others. However, like you stock is just a little too quiet! Good topic, thanks
A pleasing sound, not obnoxiously loud. Thats exactly my style in regards to my bikes. Treating everyone else on the road as a blind mute certainly helps to keep you alive!! I have a Yoshimura 77 signature can on my Big Vee(baffle out) and Delkevic cans on my VFR800. Pleasant to listen to without pissing off the neighbours. Works for me. Great video as usual brother. Mivv sounds good.
I had a Yoshimura full exhaust on my MT-07 for pretty much the same reasons you went with the Mivv, but mainly the sound. I never thought about cutting down the baffle though. That would have made it perfect. I used to go back and forth taking the baffle in and out. Too loud and too quiet.
I really like the sound of my ‘21 Tenere but I KNOW the Loud exhaust on other bikes I’ve owned have kept multiple cars/trucks from running me over. Period. This exhaust with half baffle sounds perfect!
I use to own a Suzuki VX800, which was bought second-hand, with straight pipes. Two things happened simultaneously: first, I use to go to work very early in the morning, which results in complaints about the noise and, second, I went on a trip that first weekend, and got there and back with a headache and with my ear ringing. I replaced the straight pipes with the original ones the same night, after getting back from the trip. It was also very, very annoying to listen to dozens of bikes with no mufflers every night, so I thought that my neighbors were entitled to some level of peace and quiet inside their houses. That said, it was a 1993 VX800, which had a nice rumble even with the original pipes... that's hard to say about present-day bikes.
I am with ya. I usually put a slip on on my bikes that saves some weight and ads some depth to the sound but is only a little louder than stock. I also stay off the throttle in residential neighbourhoods to keep the noise and the speed down. 🤓
I went through the exact same experience. Bought a new slip-on, did not like the sound with the baffle in, and found the no baffle too loud, modified the baffle and tuned it to just the right level of noise (I swapped the pipe in the baffle for a slightly wider one, and shortened it). For me it is more about getting the sound right, than making it loud.
edit: damn that Mivv pipe sounds nice and throaty! I have a DanMoto slip-on installed on my Ducati Flat Track Pro, no baffle BUT I live in the middle of the Chilcotin wilderness in BC and ride 80/20 offroad/road and have found that wild life pay attention to me and I like that as deer have the most annoying habit of freezing then darting in the opposite direction that you think they'll go, (usually right in front of you!) as well we have herds of wild horses roaming everywhere and they too get out of the way, it does sound amazing too, snap, crackles and pop on gear changes and decel, BUT my days of being a douch bag are long past and I get where you all are coming from in the comments, other issue is hearing, mine that is, long rides...well I've been using earplugs since my ol Buell XB9SX with it's D&D exhaust used to shred my ears. ride safe, ride often and always ATGATT! B^)
Thanks for the comment. Yes, out in the boonies deer are a problem. I find that ever since I put a couple of those cheap Canadian Tire deer whistles on my bikes I rarely hear them.
This. Spent so much time scouring the internet to find slip ons for my Scout and found some that supposedly weren't ear shattering. They were still friggin loud as hell after I put them on, so I immediately bought the baffles for them, and now they're just a smidge louder than "just right". Always mind my right hand while in the neighborhood, and always clutch in while passing kids/baby carriages. If Indians stock performance exhaust wasn't so expensive I would have bought those. It's a bewildering wonder why nobody makes aftermarket slipons/full exhaust systems that aren't stupid loud but still give us, the rider, something nice to listen to while remaining at an acceptable noise level.
I bought Tab Performance slip ons with the quiet baffles for my Scout and they are loud as hell. Contacted Tab and they said that the stock mufflers have the catalytic converters built in and the Tabs don't, so they don't benefit from silencing effect of the cats. They sound great but you have to be easy on the throttle to keep them quiet in the neighborhood. I'm guessing the OEM Scout performance exhaust cost twice as much as the others because they have the cats built in.
I have a 2018 Triumph Street twin the Tec bike parts Slip on's. just like you've said, they give my engine a nice low rumble, and it doesn't start screaming until the higher rev's. I fall in line with what you've said about pipes, i like them loud enough where i can hear it but not loud enough to piss someone off.
Love the balanced approach here. In my country (Vietnam), big bike riders usually install after-market loud pipes and then go down to the busy streets squeezing the throttles just like 5:38 to have fun and seemingly gain attention (rich-people-in-developing-country mentality). That behavior annoys me so much. I love bikes but there's no way I'll be a part of their community LOL I'd love to have exhaust with good sound because it's a part of the fun, but don't want to accidentally cause a heart attack on a random grandpa or grandma when I ride past them.
Initially wanted the Vance and Hines shortshots or sideshots on my Sportster because I thought they looked cool. Then I heard a couple sportsters with the shortshots, and decided in the interest of keeping neighborhood tranquility and my own eardrums, opted for the twin slash slip-ons. They look good and sound great, and on long trips, don’t give you a constant ringing in your ear after you stop.
Great vid. I have the same Mivv cans on my Tuono 1000R and found the baffles out way too loud despite sounding great on videos. Never thought to cut the baffles short though. Sounds like a great compromise! I'll have to give it a try.
yah know i've owned a few different Harley motorcycles started on a 750 street, upgraded to a fatbob that i sadly wrecked but gladly walked away from, got a HD Roadster, and now upgraded to the new Pan Am, i see the pros and cons of both, Honestly the loud pipes are nice for city riding where you can enjoy the various sounds of the pipes and lets you hear better through a helmet what the machine is doing but are very obnoxious for long periods of time and can mentally exhaust the rider faster, quiet pipes are amazing for if you're wanting a much more relaxed and simple atmosphere, honestly highly recommended for a more experienced rider who can feel more than hear what the bike is doing but as a result you lose a lot of the atmosphere and theater and possible a very small amount of safety having such a quiet motorcycle
But they do! Pedestrians! Both on my R90S long ago and my current pensioners V8 convertible I did a 'sound upgrade' and never have to do an emergency stop for pedestrians any more. Even senior citizens who cross rthe street w/o looking, trusting their deaf ears are much safer now!
My old Honda Shadow 1100 had open drag-pipes on it and was VERY loud. My new 1100 Honda Rebel has a Two Brothers Racing aftermarket slip-on and is loud when you want it to be and not loud when you don't. But a THOUSAND dollars for the Akropovic?! Holy Smokes!
Nice video. I am considering purchasing the "Mivv Exhaust Mufflers Ghibli Black for Moto Guzzi V7 Classic". They look like they would be a great improvement visually, but I have been wondering about the sound. I had a bad experience with slip-on mufflers for an Indian Scout and do not want another set of obnoxiously loud pipes. I am mostly interested in the weight savings and the looks. Nice to know that the Mivv mufflers allow for fine-tuning the level of sound.
Well, let's see . . . after that last video of yours where you were trying to convince everyone that a Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX is a touring bike, and now putting a slip-on on a Yamaha Tenere 700, I'm beginning to question your judgement. Since I've been following you (I call you the philosopher) I've really enjoyed hearing you expound on a variety of subjects in the motorcycle world, but you're really stretching your credibility here. But, and however, keep up the good work. you're a refreshing change to most of what's on RUclips!
In our places many people install aftermarket pipes and sell stock ones... then start looking to buy stock back ) Loud sound gives a headache if you're riding for hours. Also, there was a test about the pros of loud pipes in traffic. The test showed... no special difference, as the sound goes back, drivers in front still don't hear you (most likely, we're talking about the same test)
I love the sound of a throaty v8 but I hate the sound of a throaty v6 or an i4. I removed the baffles on a Harley Deuce that I bought new and thought it sounded great but when I switched to a Goldwing I learned to appreciate the quiet of the exhaust which made the sounds of the engine more noticeable and very enjoyable. I would change the exhaust on a Tenere too but, primarily to relocate the muffler and to reduce the weight. If I could do that and keep it relatively quiet would be my preference. Loud pipes do not save lives. I guarantee it. I'm a retired Locomotive Engineer and I'm pretty sure that a locomotive whistle/horn has never been installed to blow to the rear. And, in my 42 years of railroading I can assure you that cagers don't even hear the horn on a locomotive even when it's blowing right at them. You don't want to know how I know that.
My F900r has an SC Project pipe and honestly it sounds lovely with the baffle in. When I was shopping around for a bike, I rode a Triumph Scrambler with a Vance and Hines system without a baffle, and it was just too loud. I'm getting old. 😅
Many years ago I bought a used Harley that came with Screamin' Eagle mufflers, they used to sound deep and not too loud, I liked them very much. Some years after I switched that bike for an other used Harley that came equiped with some Vince & Hines short shots. For many years I appreciated the rumble it does, but I always missed the deep note of the Screamin' Eagle and, more recently, I got myself finding the roar of those Vince & Hines a little tiresome, specially on longer trips. So, I recently bought the original exhaust sistem and gonna fit it to the bike soon. And, not in a much distant future, I'll may move away from the motor co. in favor of something brand new, smaller and more practical (I already got an idea on that respect). In that case, I'll keep the original mufflers until I'm able to switch to a pair of S&S street legal on wich I'll tend to keep the baffles on. For me, what keep us, bikers, alive is not noise, but to have one eye on the road and the other "patrolling" distracted drivers that surrounds us like they are on a chasing mission. As usual you did a informative, fun and sensible video. I liked very much when you pointed out how drivers tend to be more interessed in checking their cel phones while driving than being concerned about killing someone else (and, let's concede, even themselves). It's a shame that those same drivers won't be whatching your, and many other videos, that talk about their manners and responsibilities. Anyway, congrats from Brazil.
Personally as a rider I want my bike as quiet as possible,if I could get a pipe Quieter than stock for my KTM I would !! Loud pipe's don't save lives as much as good defensive driving skills !! 🇨🇦🇨🇦
Cannot imagine a multi day trip on a motorcycle equipped with a loud pipe. My stock exhaust sounds too loud to me, and that’s when I ride with earplugs, which I always do. I don’t hesitate to use the horn as it works way better than loud engine. Also good brakes and good braking skills saved my life countless times.
It isn't about moving vehicles, but when you are stopped at a traffic light loud pipes will alert the people coming up behind you. The number of people that get rear-ended is unreal!
From my experience commuting on busy UK roads, more people make space for you while filtering on a loud bike, which would mean that yes some people hear you coming. Chances are it wont save your life but it is rather conveinient parting a sea of cars like moses on a Kawasaki with no baffles in!
Agreed. But SE are still a bit too quiet. I like much louder but I don’t like the super loud pipes like fishtails or zombie. I have a KW 4.5 on my harley and it’s still a bit too loud, but just a bit. It may be that my helmet sucks more than the slip-ons are too loud. Lol
All my Harleys had Vance & Hines because they because they struck a nice balance between good sound, but not too loud. Currently my 890 Adventure sounds a little too much like George Jetson's flying car, and that's gotta change! I'd love to get an Acrapovic slip on, but yeah... ouch. Probably end up with an Arrow.
Big thing here in Germany these days, loud pipes. Most bikers try to get their volume down, at least in populated areas. There have been a lot of restrictions on routes popular for bikes, culminating in nitpicking road checks for motorcycles. Lot of people had their bikes grounded on the spot and the exhaust confiscated as evidence, and some roads have been closed completely for motorcycles. Most riders are like 'better ride quietly than having it banned'. Myself, I have a v-twin bike with an aftermarket exhaust with baffles, and I have recently repacked the cans with new wool. I like the rumble, but I understand people who are fed up with hearing lots of rumbles all day. So in urban areas, I control the volume with my right hand. I also consider downgrading to stock. Worst guys are - sorry to say - Harley riders with straight pipes, ATVs and 50 cc scooters with that obnoxious ear-piercing squeal. Both types also tend to uselessly rev their engines for extra attention. Fun fact - manufacturers tend to use overly long transmission ratios so they lower the revs in the approval test procedures (admittable volume at a defined speed and gear, i.e. 80 dB at 50 km/h in 2nd and 3rd gear anf full acceleration). So many guys I know put a few extra teeth on the rear sprocket to improve rideability.
I can't stand loud pipes, I don't expect bikes to be whisper quiet but if you are setting off car alarms as you drive by you have gone too far. Of the 9 street bikes I have owned in my life I have only changed the exhaust on 2: I put a Vance & Hines Q Series (Q for quiet) with the additional quiet baffle on my '03 HD Night Train for a power upgrade, it is slightly louder than stock but not obnoxious. I had a '14 Honda CB1100 that I swapped out the exhaust purely for cosmetic reasons as the stock unit was massive, sound didn't really change much. I have no plans to change the exhaust on my new HD Pan America.
Dont know about cars, but I live in the mountains, an everything I own is loud because of deer. Lot of deer around here an its always the nice quet cars hitting them. I get to watch a lot of them on my property. Deer bolt when they think the "preditor" is getting to close to them. A quiet car gets pretty close before deer react. Sometimes they will run right in to the side of the car. The trucks with loud tires an the bikes with loud pipes, they usually run before they get within a half mile of the deer. How loud is enough? Probably about half as loud as my stuff is. I have been told my trucks tires can be heard for about a mile and a half on a quiet day. You can hear my pipes about half that. Almost hit a horse once, but no deer. And I have never came around a corner to see kids playing in the road. They have always moved to the side by the time I see them. Loud is worth that to me. But I am just driving, I am not revbombing everyone. I dont think anyone cars of something loud drives by. But hang around acting a fool, an they will start noticing your loud too.
Ducati with Termignoni pipes here, and no baffle (neighbors don’t complain) !! EDIT : Termi pipes in Australia cost AU$2.5k back in 2007. At that price I expect to get my money’s worth of sound. Luckily, they’re not obnoxiously loud and give off a true Ducati L-Twin deep sound
I bought a Dominator muffler for the same reasons but it’s half the price. Stainless steel nice build quality. Sounds identical. It’s made in Poland and got here 5 days after I ordered it.
Actually, most aftermarket exhausts steal a few hp from your bike, as manufacturers optimize their pipes so the engine works best - and by best I don't mean only peak performance, but also in terms of fuel consumption (optimum cylinder filling), durability (think internal cooling) etc. Most people buy their pipes only to get louder and don't even care about performance. Noise regulations are also a point, sure, but as I said elsewhere, manufacturers have other ways to deal with that, too, longer end gear ratios for example. The 2021 Honda Fireblade meets EU regulations by a flap exhaust and a very long gear ratio, all adjusted so the legal demands are met at exactly the required conditions. In all other rpm ranges, the bike gets excruciatingly loud, and on the twisties, it becomes almost unrideable, because you can't use the enormous power due to the gear ratio. Btw. the guy and his company are pronounced 'ah-KRAH-po-vitsh'... he's Slovenian ;-)
Mate a loud pipe helps to stop cars changing lanes on you & cutting in front of you in traffic , they can’t see you , but they can hear you .. don’t need a study to tell you that.
i have got the storm [also mivv but with out mivv logo] and im happy. but i im thinking of replacing the exhaust when i let it mount higher up. saw wings has one for the t7 [ yea i know its a ktm exhaust. that's exactly why]
Hey mate, love your videos and I agree with your points. I do more or less the same with my bikes going out of the little village where I live or coming back. The only thing I would like to mention, I watch that Rumanian study, and it's not quite scientific and there are a lot of factors not taken in account to get to a conclusion so definitive as "loud pipes don't save lives". There are other things, like coming from other directions and distracted pedestrians, static traffic, etc. Just wanted to mention that, keep the good work man! And lovely pick of bikes.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Well, it may save a fall hitting a pedestrian, could be called "loud pipes avoid hitting distracted pedestrians". Maybe saving lives is a big statement, but saying that don't save it it's even bigger, should have had in account all accidents and from the data having the conclusion that never saved any live, or lives. This is the study that the advrider mention. ruclips.net/video/v9QTPyMJGgo/видео.html If you see, the tests were only taken stationary and with the motorcycle in one direction. Not having in account Doppler that even may reduce the incoming sound. You could be passing stationary traffic people with open windows or just moving traffic in the motorway with high revs but low relative speed difference. My point is not saying that saves lives, but that I don't think the study refutes the theory.
I ride the T7 rally with the Acra standard (2 pipe version) My fellow-riders say it sounds great. Personally I don't care to much about the noise, cause I always ride with earplugs. If you want to save weight some people maybe should go on a diet 😁 If you want to go science, also think of the dopplereffect. Another reason why we're not heard BTW always nice to hear your grey opinion. To much black an white out there.👍
much better without the baffle. im looking at a mivv exhaust for my tl1000r. As long as the slip ons can fit on my mid pipes. i already have a after market full exhaust put the mufflers are garbage.
The only vehicles’ exhaust noise I hear where I live are motorcycles. Loud pipes will draw the ire of others and hence the authorities who will start to put restrictions in place. There are already noise cameras in some cities. But then again in 10 years it will all be electric so no more loud pipes! Personally I prefer riding off road under the radar so quiet is my choice.
I personally do not really care how my bike sounds, as long as I don't hear the engine on highway cruising speed. Esthetically though, stock exhausts on modern bikes do look ugly in most cases. So I hope electric bikes will become a real thing sooner rather then later : ) . Regarding life saving, I believe loud pipes are actually increasing your chances of getting into accident. They are bad for your own situation awareness, and you become tired and less responsive quicker. And being alert and reactive is what really saves lives.
If I didn't crash on the right side of the bike so much off-road, I would have kept mine stock. As it is, I went with a high mount exhaust on my T7. Also, since you showed riding in the sand, other than the obvious better tires, I found that increasing the compression damping a bit on the forks helps keep the front end from diving as much in the dry sand. Poorer pavement curve carving though...😉
Man I really want a T700 seems like such a do it all bike with the ability to commute to work comfortably yet go out and blow off some steam on the weekends down some trails/fire roads while still feeling light enough that one could toss it around. I wonder if it is a sub 4 second 0-60 like the mt 07? P.S. I used to have screaming eagles on my 06 1200 low and you are spot on about them being the perfect volume louder than stock,gave a badass tone, yet not going to make your neighbors want to shoot you lol!
If you didn't open up the intake, opening up the exhaust should do absolutely NOTHING to performance. That's just the laws of physics and I believe are non-negotiable. Once you do open up the intake to match the opened up exhaust, you will need to adjust air and fuel delivery in order to take advantage of the opened up respiration. But even before doing the fuel delivery adjustment an improvement will probably be there somewhat. But only exhaust or only intake, you get nothing in terms of performance. It is all in your head (louder=more power).
Truth is, when I look at aftermarket exhausts, I'm more interested in the performance gain and the weight savings than I am the sound. Yeah, I really do like a bike to have a nice rumble to it... but not so loud that you're breaking noise ordinances or pissing off the neighbours. Those just lead to unnecessary hassles. And if you're riding distance, really loud pipes can start to wear on you after while... I know lots of riders who have to wear earplugs to be comfortable on their own bike, and in my estimation that's not only stupid, it's dangerous; it restricts your ability to hear traffic sounds around you that just might save your life.
Even in my cheap 15 yeah old Vauxhall/Opel Corsa I can't hear bikes coming by me and I'm a biker, I'm looking out for bikes. I had a Sportster with chopped pipes filter past and as the study said, only heard him when he was right beside me.
IMO ... It is all about the pipe. Stock systems mask the character of most ever bike. Even my staid BMW RT became a much more enjoyable ride with the addition of a Laser exhaust. My FJ-09 sounded like a denuded sewing machine with it's stock pipe. A Delvik brought it to life. It's not so much that I like to take my bikes for a ride ... It's more that I'd like to ride with them and hear every note they sing as we tackle a grade or drop into valley.
I got my DRZ400 with a full yoshi already on it. Even with the spark arrester it's a bit much. My ninja 1000 is super quiet stock but since it's a dual exhaust model I need 2 slip ons and my options are pricey.
I had to pause this vid while some open pipe harley asshat blasted down our quiet residential street, including the unnecessary whacking of the throttle 3 times at the stop sign:( i am in the same boat as you, i want to enjoy the sound of my bike but no one 3 blocks away needs to. i cut my baffle down just a bit on a GPR system.
Idk how people make the argument that they don’t save lives. I’m sure none of the anti loud pipe people commute in a major city. They don’t work great at speed on the interstate but they definitely alert people to your presence in high congestion situations where people make random moves and lane changes with no warning.
Threat is ahead, pipes face behind... it's not brain surgery to figure it out. The loud pipe BS is maintained as an excuse by those justifying anti social behaviour.
@@allenlipscomb9872 To be rear ended one need be at a standstill. Idling pipes aren't loud. Plonkers who run into things that fill their windscreen can't be helped so the loudest pipes in the world won't save you from stupid.
You haven't stopped behind anyone blipping the exhaust I take it? As for being at a standstill, what are you supposed to do at a traffic light? Car drivers are not looking for motorcycles and suffer from not seeing what they are expecting. There is no way you are going to convince me otherwise. I know people that have been rear-ended and quite frankly don't care what the other side thinks whether loud pipes do or do not save lives. To me, it isn't even close to being logical.
@@allenlipscomb9872 Whatever floats your intellectual boat Allen. I have been rear ended and nothing would have helped that moron. Be aware tho.. Blip your bullshit loud pipes next to me at the lights and I'll flick a cigarette at you.
I like quiet and I like stock. For two reasons. First, why shell out 100's of $'s for something that I'm wearing ear plugs to not listen to. Second thing, those pipes were designed by engineers who know far better why they put them there than I do. And probably third thing, I really can't care less of what bike sounds like. Most of them sound like crap to me and I find myself completely indifferent (even annoyed) when somebody tries to impress me with their pipe. I think I notice Harlies some and they sound slightly cool. The rest is really all same shit to me.
Just adding my comment to the mix I will say this, a crotch rocket wide open screaming from a long distance away got my attention in a semi, with my stereo on... long before it came flying past... So my opinion is they do help in some cases (loud pipes)
Yes - I’d like to install an affordable aftermarket pipe on my Kawasaki - Not because I like loud pipes, but because underbelly stock exhaust on my bike has such a low ground clearance that it’s hard to ride on speedbump filled roads in my Indian metro city.. But the affordable “Two Brothers” pipes are so loud that I’m under the threat of being boycotted by my entire community, so I don’t dare to install them ( and I know for certain the ‘loud pipes save lives’ isn’t applicable to world’s largest motorcycle market - India ) !
Should change the saying to "loud pipes scare drivers, hurt their ears, and make them kinda wish you get hit" I'm all for a good sounding bike. But when you got that guy hitting the rev limiter with straight pipes when my window is open, as he weavers through 30mph traffic. Yeah. He can go ahead and become one with the pavement
The thing i'm most hyped about electric vehicles is getting rid of the noise. Yes, i love riding a great sounding bike/car. Yes, i'm sick of hearing them all fucking day in the city.
I own a 2006 Electra Glide ultra classic with a twin cam 95 with cams I also had Vance & Hines ovals on the bike since the day I purchased it now after 13 or 14 years of ridding it I'm sick of the loud pipes so I do agree with you on your pipe choice and keeping the baffle but I do have one question for you I myself have changed back to a set of screaming eagle take off mufflers from a CVO 110 and the sound is perfect but I did have a mapping issue and had to remap the bike because it was running too rich at that point so do you have any concerns with your bike running to lean with the stock map?
So far I haven’t noticed it. From what I hear the FI adjusts to the pipe. My Harley was tuned in the shop, my Yamaha I did myself. I’ll have to keep an eye on it to be sure, but so far so good.
@@DifferentSpokesTV if I can give you one piece of advice install a new spark plug and read the spark plug the next time you change the oil to see if it's black or chalky white if it's too lean if lean is the case you can always close the gap a couple of points and that'll cause it to run a little bit richer. That's the way we used to do carburetors back in the old days. The new fuel injection ever since they started using O2 sensors they can adjust a few points richer and minus a few points and make it leaner and they call that long-term and short-term fuel curve but try a new plug you'd be surprised how it looks after 500 miles.
Flaw in the design of the study - only tested car drivers. What about pedestrians glued to their phone? Back road cyclists two abreast? 2017 Bobber, x-pipe and British Customs drags. They're aware I'm around mate! It can also be as quiet as stock, just roll off the throttle and pootle along. Doesn't spook horses or their riders.
I feel loud pipes are just an excuse for a rider to ride less defensively. I actually like quite pipes because it helps me do stealth camping while I’m on a big adventure ride.
Consideration and etiquette, these are lost traits today. You sir are a gentleman .
Thanks!
I feel the exact same way. It's like most things in life.........balance. There's no reason to shake granny's pictures off the wall, but nobody can stomach a brand new stock motorcycle that sounds like a sewing machine either.
Outstanding
Your attitude towards exhaust notes and volumes resonates with mine. I live by a busy road and the bikes (no matter the type or size) with no baffles are just obnoxious, and the sound is way worse for everyone else than themselves. So, in my opinion, it's not just selfish to go baffle-free, it's on par with vandalism in terms of knowingly and willfully annoying the general public.
Thanks for sharing! Yes, from the bike you can hear the noise a bit but the wind muffles it. The person standing still as the bike goes by is the one who gets the full blast.
You just defined the kind of exhausts I prefer... The ones that make the engine noise deeper and not obnoxiously loud.
Good one mate 👍
“The exhaust system is an attack on individual freedom by hippies, communists, and other undesirables”
That was quite possibly one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a long time. Actually got a loud chuckle out of me 😂! Great video!
In slow traffic its still nice to be able to announce your presence with a little blip once in a while. I was unable to do that with my stocks and a guy pulled into me because "i didnt see you". A "medium loud" is probably the most civil way to go about it.
Good informative video with little bias or bias explained. Thank you!!
IMO I put Delkevic slipons on my FJR for a few reasons
1) In spite of the study in an average slow moving traffic situation, I know others can hear me and may glance over. Knowing I’m there.
2) Stock exhaust sound is so quiet all I hear is the valve train, the sewing machine sound. Hearing some exhaust note helps with gear shifting I seem to smooth out the shift when I hear the exhaust.
3) The FJR is heavy at 650 lbs. Twin stock exhaust adds about 15 lbs over the slipons. I take off the side bags and the bike drops below 600 lbs. much more fun.
Right on!
I went with V&H Twin Slash slip-ons on my 2014 XL1200T. Within a week I put in the quiet baffles. Yep, it was still too loud!
I now have a 2019 FXLR with the following upgrades:
Screamin' Eagle Pro Street Tuner
Screamin' Eagle Smart Tune PRO Automatic Tuning Module
Screamin’ Eagle Ventilator Air Cleaner Kit
Screamin' Eagle Extreme-Flow 55MM Intake Manifold
Screamin’ Eagle Street Cannon Slip-On Mufflers
Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage II - Torque Kit
Sounds and runs like a real Harley!
My T7 looks and is set up much like yours, and I have to agree that the exhaust sound is just too quiet.....most of the time I end up driving it off the tach as I can't hear it over the wind and road noise! That Mivv looks and sounds great, may have to go that way on mine at some point as well! And yeah, I'd probly keep that baffle in as well, same thoughts on good sounds while keeping it respectful to my neighbors! Cheers to you both, always great content and well made videos!
Yes! Modern cars are too insulated against sound now days, add a radio and running AC with the windows up and no driver is going to hear you. Thank you for stating this!
Im right there with you in agreement, i dont care for stock mufflers, but extremely loud or open pipes sound ridiculous as well.
Honestly i agree with this. I had a hornet 900 with the end baffles removed by the first owner. I loved it. It had a sweet bassy rumbling growl to it, but once you got moving it was difficult to hear over the wind. It was perfect! If I ever do purchase a bike again I’m problably going to leave it stock for the first year or two or until I get bored.
Yeah, those small tweaks can make your bike feel new again.
Totally agree with everything you said. Nice to have a bit more of a throaty rumble, but no need to wake up half the town.
I have owned three Harleys in recent years. My Sportster had a stock exhaust. I cut the baffle out, drilled the holes larger and welded it back in. I achieved the rumble I was looking for withou excessive noise. My next was also a used bike, a Twin Cam with Screaming Eagle pipes. It sounded nice but on longer rides got to be tiring. I took the baffles out and welded in a diverter plate. Problem solved. My next bike was also a Twin Cam but new. It sounded like a sewing machine with all the engine clatter and almost no exhaust sound. I did the same thing as what I did to the Sportster again with good results. I now have a pair of Moto Guzzis, great sound straight from the factory. Good for me although some riders put aftermarket exhausts on theirs. I don't think they sound as good as the factory pipes.
Loud pipes don’t save anyone!!! I hear the loud Harley coming I don’t know from what direction and then it blows by me!! 😡 driving carefully and being aware of your surroundings saves lives!!!
Good point.
But you did hear it and were looking for it that means it did make a difference Hmmm
@@timbrowning4142 Exactly...
@@timbrowning4142 I wasn’t looking for it I was in my car keeping my eyes on the road in front of me.
@@jamesbarbato2192 BUT YOU DID HEAR IT 😂😂😂
I agree with u. I changed mine to Arrow slip on. Not loud but to have a deeper sound to mask the horrible engine sound of my KTM single silinder and to save some weight.
You sir are right! On both the baffle front and on the loud pipes saving lives. Like previous comments shared, the noise level is more of a gentlemen’s agreement if u still want to have friendly neighbors , but also, since your exhaust is at your rear end, to hope the louder you are the safer you are is just false, that will only work when your rear end is at the same level as other motorists, and by that time your face may be facing the wrong way. Still, as long as u get the good sound and the others can also appreciate it you sir might have struck gold :)
Years ago, I had a Harley Fat Boy with aftermarket pipes. There were baffles involved, but they were cut down performance units that, under WOT operation, were as loud as open pipes. After eight years & 89,000 miles, I was sick of the racket. I sold that machine & have never changed the pipes on any bike since. I did notice that I was less noticed by other vehicles, pedestrians, etc on my stock exhaust bikes. Just a personal observation. Spokes, your bike sounds very nice & isn't too loud. Good choice.
Thanks! I’m happy with the sound too..
Your thoughts towards mufflers and noise mirror mine exactly! And I had honestly thought that the whole ‘loud pipes save lives’ thing was just supposed to be a joke. I definitely THOUGHT it was a joke. But this isn’t the first video I’ve seen on the subject,so I guess not!
Well and evenly covered. Nice job.
Thanks!
Had a street legal screaming eagle slipons on my 2008 883 XL, loved the sound.Then I tried V&H straight shots on my 2016 heritage, hated it , too loud. Then I did it again, I installed V&H short shots on my 2018 breakout, and guess what, me and my neighbors of course, hated it. I even developed a condition called tinnitus.Learned my lesson, from now on only stock pipes.
I have always thought people who claim "loud pipes save lives" know deep down it is untrue, they just like to be noticed and tend to have little consideration for others. However, like you stock is just a little too quiet! Good topic, thanks
A pleasing sound, not obnoxiously loud. Thats exactly my style in regards to my bikes. Treating everyone else on the road as a blind mute certainly helps to keep you alive!! I have a Yoshimura 77 signature can on my Big Vee(baffle out) and Delkevic cans on my VFR800. Pleasant to listen to without pissing off the neighbours. Works for me. Great video as usual brother. Mivv sounds good.
I had a Yoshimura full exhaust on my MT-07 for pretty much the same reasons you went with the Mivv, but mainly the sound. I never thought about cutting down the baffle though. That would have made it perfect. I used to go back and forth taking the baffle in and out. Too loud and too quiet.
I really like the sound of my ‘21 Tenere but I KNOW the Loud exhaust on other bikes I’ve owned have kept multiple cars/trucks from running me over. Period. This exhaust with half baffle sounds perfect!
I use to own a Suzuki VX800, which was bought second-hand, with straight pipes. Two things happened simultaneously: first, I use to go to work very early in the morning, which results in complaints about the noise and, second, I went on a trip that first weekend, and got there and back with a headache and with my ear ringing. I replaced the straight pipes with the original ones the same night, after getting back from the trip.
It was also very, very annoying to listen to dozens of bikes with no mufflers every night, so I thought that my neighbors were entitled to some level of peace and quiet inside their houses.
That said, it was a 1993 VX800, which had a nice rumble even with the original pipes... that's hard to say about present-day bikes.
I am with ya. I usually put a slip on on my bikes that saves some weight and ads some depth to the sound but is only a little louder than stock. I also stay off the throttle in residential neighbourhoods to keep the noise and the speed down. 🤓
I went through the exact same experience. Bought a new slip-on, did not like the sound with the baffle in, and found the no baffle too loud, modified the baffle and tuned it to just the right level of noise (I swapped the pipe in the baffle for a slightly wider one, and shortened it). For me it is more about getting the sound right, than making it loud.
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damn that Mivv pipe sounds nice and throaty!
I have a DanMoto slip-on installed on my Ducati Flat Track Pro,
no baffle BUT I live in the middle of the Chilcotin wilderness in BC and ride 80/20 offroad/road and have found that wild life pay attention to me and I like that as deer have the most annoying habit of freezing then darting in the opposite direction that you think they'll go, (usually right in front of you!)
as well we have herds of wild horses roaming everywhere and they too get out of the way,
it does sound amazing too, snap, crackles and pop on gear changes and decel,
BUT
my days of being a douch bag are long past and I get where you all are coming from in the comments,
other issue is hearing, mine that is,
long rides...well I've been using earplugs since my ol Buell XB9SX with it's D&D exhaust used to shred my ears.
ride safe, ride often and always ATGATT!
B^)
Thanks for the comment. Yes, out in the boonies deer are a problem. I find that ever since I put a couple of those cheap Canadian Tire deer whistles on my bikes I rarely hear them.
Thanks for the tip on Mivv😎.
Found one for my BMW F900XR for $365 in Titanium👍. Less than half the price of the next best item😱.
This. Spent so much time scouring the internet to find slip ons for my Scout and found some that supposedly weren't ear shattering. They were still friggin loud as hell after I put them on, so I immediately bought the baffles for them, and now they're just a smidge louder than "just right". Always mind my right hand while in the neighborhood, and always clutch in while passing kids/baby carriages. If Indians stock performance exhaust wasn't so expensive I would have bought those. It's a bewildering wonder why nobody makes aftermarket slipons/full exhaust systems that aren't stupid loud but still give us, the rider, something nice to listen to while remaining at an acceptable noise level.
Yeah. They sell you the pipe knowing you’ll probably come back for the baffle. Everything sounds quieter on RUclips.
I bought Tab Performance slip ons with the quiet baffles for my Scout and they are loud as hell. Contacted Tab and they said that the stock mufflers have the catalytic converters built in and the Tabs don't, so they don't benefit from silencing effect of the cats. They sound great but you have to be easy on the throttle to keep them quiet in the neighborhood. I'm guessing the OEM Scout performance exhaust cost twice as much as the others because they have the cats built in.
I have a 2018 Triumph Street twin the Tec bike parts Slip on's. just like you've said, they give my engine a nice low rumble, and it doesn't start screaming until the higher rev's. I fall in line with what you've said about pipes, i like them loud enough where i can hear it but not loud enough to piss someone off.
Love the balanced approach here. In my country (Vietnam), big bike riders usually install after-market loud pipes and then go down to the busy streets squeezing the throttles just like 5:38 to have fun and seemingly gain attention (rich-people-in-developing-country mentality). That behavior annoys me so much. I love bikes but there's no way I'll be a part of their community LOL
I'd love to have exhaust with good sound because it's a part of the fun, but don't want to accidentally cause a heart attack on a random grandpa or grandma when I ride past them.
Initially wanted the Vance and Hines shortshots or sideshots on my Sportster because I thought they looked cool. Then I heard a couple sportsters with the shortshots, and decided in the interest of keeping neighborhood tranquility and my own eardrums, opted for the twin slash slip-ons.
They look good and sound great, and on long trips, don’t give you a constant ringing in your ear after you stop.
Yeah, the Short Shots look great. I saw a guy ride by me on the street with them on once and could barely hear myself think.
Great vid. I have the same Mivv cans on my Tuono 1000R and found the baffles out way too loud despite sounding great on videos. Never thought to cut the baffles short though. Sounds like a great compromise! I'll have to give it a try.
Glad I could help :)
yah know i've owned a few different Harley motorcycles started on a 750 street, upgraded to a fatbob that i sadly wrecked but gladly walked away from, got a HD Roadster, and now upgraded to the new Pan Am, i see the pros and cons of both, Honestly the loud pipes are nice for city riding where you can enjoy the various sounds of the pipes and lets you hear better through a helmet what the machine is doing but are very obnoxious for long periods of time and can mentally exhaust the rider faster, quiet pipes are amazing for if you're wanting a much more relaxed and simple atmosphere, honestly highly recommended for a more experienced rider who can feel more than hear what the bike is doing but as a result you lose a lot of the atmosphere and theater and possible a very small amount of safety having such a quiet motorcycle
But they do! Pedestrians! Both on my R90S long ago and my current pensioners V8 convertible I did a 'sound upgrade' and never have to do an emergency stop for pedestrians any more. Even senior citizens who cross rthe street w/o looking, trusting their deaf ears are much safer now!
My old Honda Shadow 1100 had open drag-pipes on it and was VERY loud. My new 1100 Honda Rebel has a Two Brothers Racing aftermarket slip-on and is loud when you want it to be and not loud when you don't.
But a THOUSAND dollars for the Akropovic?! Holy Smokes!
Nice video. I am considering purchasing the "Mivv Exhaust Mufflers Ghibli Black for Moto Guzzi V7 Classic". They look like they would be a great improvement visually, but I have been wondering about the sound. I had a bad experience with slip-on mufflers for an Indian Scout and do not want another set of obnoxiously loud pipes. I am mostly interested in the weight savings and the looks. Nice to know that the Mivv mufflers allow for fine-tuning the level of sound.
Well, let's see . . . after that last video of yours where you were trying to convince everyone that a Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX is a touring bike, and now putting a slip-on on a Yamaha Tenere 700, I'm beginning to question your judgement. Since I've been following you (I call you the philosopher) I've really enjoyed hearing you expound on a variety of subjects in the motorcycle world, but you're really stretching your credibility here. But, and however, keep up the good work. you're a refreshing change to most of what's on RUclips!
In our places many people install aftermarket pipes and sell stock ones... then start looking to buy stock back )
Loud sound gives a headache if you're riding for hours.
Also, there was a test about the pros of loud pipes in traffic. The test showed... no special difference, as the sound goes back, drivers in front still don't hear you (most likely, we're talking about the same test)
Good point. You only really hear motorcycles once the've passed you. Maybe the pipes should point forward :)
I love the sound of a throaty v8 but I hate the sound of a throaty v6 or an i4. I removed the baffles on a Harley Deuce that I bought new and thought it sounded great but when I switched to a Goldwing I learned to appreciate the quiet of the exhaust which made the sounds of the engine more noticeable and very enjoyable. I would change the exhaust on a Tenere too but, primarily to relocate the muffler and to reduce the weight. If I could do that and keep it relatively quiet would be my preference.
Loud pipes do not save lives. I guarantee it. I'm a retired Locomotive Engineer and I'm pretty sure that a locomotive whistle/horn has never been installed to blow to the rear. And, in my 42 years of railroading I can assure you that cagers don't even hear the horn on a locomotive even when it's blowing right at them. You don't want to know how I know that.
That price zoom had be laughing
My F900r has an SC Project pipe and honestly it sounds lovely with the baffle in.
When I was shopping around for a bike, I rode a Triumph Scrambler with a Vance and Hines system without a baffle, and it was just too loud.
I'm getting old. 😅
Many years ago I bought a used Harley that came with Screamin' Eagle mufflers, they used to sound deep and not too loud, I liked them very much. Some years after I switched that bike for an other used Harley that came equiped with some Vince & Hines short shots. For many years I appreciated the rumble it does, but I always missed the deep note of the Screamin' Eagle and, more recently, I got myself finding the roar of those Vince & Hines a little tiresome, specially on longer trips. So, I recently bought the original exhaust sistem and gonna fit it to the bike soon.
And, not in a much distant future, I'll may move away from the motor co. in favor of something brand new, smaller and more practical (I already got an idea on that respect). In that case, I'll keep the original mufflers until I'm able to switch to a pair of S&S street legal on wich I'll tend to keep the baffles on.
For me, what keep us, bikers, alive is not noise, but to have one eye on the road and the other "patrolling" distracted drivers that surrounds us like they are on a chasing mission.
As usual you did a informative, fun and sensible video.
I liked very much when you pointed out how drivers tend to be more interessed in checking their cel phones while driving than being concerned about killing someone else (and, let's concede, even themselves).
It's a shame that those same drivers won't be whatching your, and many other videos, that talk about their manners and responsibilities.
Anyway, congrats from Brazil.
the increase across the whole range is more important than the max value improvement.
Personally as a rider I want my bike as quiet as possible,if I could get a pipe Quieter than stock for my KTM I would !! Loud pipe's don't save lives as much as good defensive driving skills !! 🇨🇦🇨🇦
Electric may be a good option if gas isn't quiet enough
@@gkl6566 Good idea But I absolutely HATE the whine Electric bikes make !! 😖
@@vancemarin8022 Totally understand
I am just fine with stock exhaust. Once the stock exhaust fails, then upgrading is an option.
Cannot imagine a multi day trip on a motorcycle equipped with a loud pipe. My stock exhaust sounds too loud to me, and that’s when I ride with earplugs, which I always do.
I don’t hesitate to use the horn as it works way better than loud engine. Also good brakes and good braking skills saved my life countless times.
It isn't about moving vehicles, but when you are stopped at a traffic light loud pipes will alert the people coming up behind you.
The number of people that get rear-ended is unreal!
From my experience commuting on busy UK roads, more people make space for you while filtering on a loud bike, which would mean that yes some people hear you coming. Chances are it wont save your life but it is rather conveinient parting a sea of cars like moses on a Kawasaki with no baffles in!
Agreed. But SE are still a bit too quiet. I like much louder but I don’t like the super loud pipes like fishtails or zombie. I have a KW 4.5 on my harley and it’s still a bit too loud, but just a bit. It may be that my helmet sucks more than the slip-ons are too loud. Lol
I had Yoshimura on my VFR, loved the sound.
Tbh, for a stock looking and sounding pipe in 2020/21, the T7 stock silencer is pretty damn good.
All my Harleys had Vance & Hines because they because they struck a nice balance between good sound, but not too loud. Currently my 890 Adventure sounds a little too much like George Jetson's flying car, and that's gotta change! I'd love to get an Acrapovic slip on, but yeah... ouch. Probably end up with an Arrow.
Big thing here in Germany these days, loud pipes. Most bikers try to get their volume down, at least in populated areas. There have been a lot of restrictions on routes popular for bikes, culminating in nitpicking road checks for motorcycles. Lot of people had their bikes grounded on the spot and the exhaust confiscated as evidence, and some roads have been closed completely for motorcycles. Most riders are like 'better ride quietly than having it banned'.
Myself, I have a v-twin bike with an aftermarket exhaust with baffles, and I have recently repacked the cans with new wool. I like the rumble, but I understand people who are fed up with hearing lots of rumbles all day. So in urban areas, I control the volume with my right hand. I also consider downgrading to stock. Worst guys are - sorry to say - Harley riders with straight pipes, ATVs and 50 cc scooters with that obnoxious ear-piercing squeal. Both types also tend to uselessly rev their engines for extra attention.
Fun fact - manufacturers tend to use overly long transmission ratios so they lower the revs in the approval test procedures (admittable volume at a defined speed and gear, i.e. 80 dB at 50 km/h in 2nd and 3rd gear anf full acceleration). So many guys I know put a few extra teeth on the rear sprocket to improve rideability.
Thanks for the info. In the dual sport world almost everyone is gearing their bikes lower.
I can't stand loud pipes, I don't expect bikes to be whisper quiet but if you are setting off car alarms as you drive by you have gone too far. Of the 9 street bikes I have owned in my life I have only changed the exhaust on 2: I put a Vance & Hines Q Series (Q for quiet) with the additional quiet baffle on my '03 HD Night Train for a power upgrade, it is slightly louder than stock but not obnoxious. I had a '14 Honda CB1100 that I swapped out the exhaust purely for cosmetic reasons as the stock unit was massive, sound didn't really change much. I have no plans to change the exhaust on my new HD Pan America.
Dont know about cars, but I live in the mountains, an everything I own is loud because of deer. Lot of deer around here an its always the nice quet cars hitting them. I get to watch a lot of them on my property. Deer bolt when they think the "preditor" is getting to close to them. A quiet car gets pretty close before deer react. Sometimes they will run right in to the side of the car. The trucks with loud tires an the bikes with loud pipes, they usually run before they get within a half mile of the deer. How loud is enough? Probably about half as loud as my stuff is. I have been told my trucks tires can be heard for about a mile and a half on a quiet day. You can hear my pipes about half that. Almost hit a horse once, but no deer. And I have never came around a corner to see kids playing in the road. They have always moved to the side by the time I see them. Loud is worth that to me. But I am just driving, I am not revbombing everyone. I dont think anyone cars of something loud drives by. But hang around acting a fool, an they will start noticing your loud too.
Ducati with Termignoni pipes here, and no baffle (neighbors don’t complain) !!
EDIT : Termi pipes in Australia cost AU$2.5k back in 2007. At that price I expect to get my money’s worth of sound. Luckily, they’re not obnoxiously loud and give off a true Ducati L-Twin deep sound
I bought a Dominator muffler for the same reasons but it’s half the price. Stainless steel nice build quality. Sounds identical. It’s made in Poland and got here 5 days after I ordered it.
Nice! Thanks for the info.
Actually, most aftermarket exhausts steal a few hp from your bike, as manufacturers optimize their pipes so the engine works best - and by best I don't mean only peak performance, but also in terms of fuel consumption (optimum cylinder filling), durability (think internal cooling) etc. Most people buy their pipes only to get louder and don't even care about performance. Noise regulations are also a point, sure, but as I said elsewhere, manufacturers have other ways to deal with that, too, longer end gear ratios for example. The 2021 Honda Fireblade meets EU regulations by a flap exhaust and a very long gear ratio, all adjusted so the legal demands are met at exactly the required conditions. In all other rpm ranges, the bike gets excruciatingly loud, and on the twisties, it becomes almost unrideable, because you can't use the enormous power due to the gear ratio.
Btw. the guy and his company are pronounced 'ah-KRAH-po-vitsh'... he's Slovenian ;-)
Mate a loud pipe helps to stop cars changing lanes on you & cutting in front of you in traffic , they can’t see you , but they can hear you .. don’t need a study to tell you that.
i have got the storm [also mivv but with out mivv logo] and im happy. but i im thinking of replacing the exhaust when i let it mount higher up.
saw wings has one for the t7 [ yea i know its a ktm exhaust. that's exactly why]
Hey mate, love your videos and I agree with your points. I do more or less the same with my bikes going out of the little village where I live or coming back. The only thing I would like to mention, I watch that Rumanian study, and it's not quite scientific and there are a lot of factors not taken in account to get to a conclusion so definitive as "loud pipes don't save lives". There are other things, like coming from other directions and distracted pedestrians, static traffic, etc.
Just wanted to mention that, keep the good work man! And lovely pick of bikes.
Thanks. I guess the lives they’re usually understood as saving are the motorcyclists’.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Well, it may save a fall hitting a pedestrian, could be called "loud pipes avoid hitting distracted pedestrians". Maybe saving lives is a big statement, but saying that don't save it it's even bigger, should have had in account all accidents and from the data having the conclusion that never saved any live, or lives.
This is the study that the advrider mention. ruclips.net/video/v9QTPyMJGgo/видео.html
If you see, the tests were only taken stationary and with the motorcycle in one direction. Not having in account Doppler that even may reduce the incoming sound. You could be passing stationary traffic people with open windows or just moving traffic in the motorway with high revs but low relative speed difference.
My point is not saying that saves lives, but that I don't think the study refutes the theory.
Man. At least it made your wallet lighter so you'll go faster !
I ride the T7 rally with the Acra standard (2 pipe version)
My fellow-riders say it sounds great.
Personally I don't care to much about the noise, cause I always ride with earplugs.
If you want to save weight some people maybe should go on a diet 😁
If you want to go science, also think of the dopplereffect.
Another reason why we're not heard
BTW always nice to hear your grey opinion. To much black an white out there.👍
much better without the baffle. im looking at a mivv exhaust for my tl1000r. As long as the slip ons can fit on my mid pipes. i already have a after market full exhaust put the mufflers are garbage.
The only vehicles’ exhaust noise I hear where I live are motorcycles. Loud pipes will draw the ire of others and hence the authorities who will start to put restrictions in place. There are already noise cameras in some cities. But then again in 10 years it will all be electric so no more loud pipes! Personally I prefer riding off road under the radar so quiet is my choice.
I personally do not really care how my bike sounds, as long as I don't hear the engine on highway cruising speed.
Esthetically though, stock exhausts on modern bikes do look ugly in most cases. So I hope electric bikes will become a real thing sooner rather then later : ) .
Regarding life saving, I believe loud pipes are actually increasing your chances of getting into accident. They are bad for your own situation awareness, and you become tired and less responsive quicker. And being alert and reactive is what really saves lives.
If I didn't crash on the right side of the bike so much off-road, I would have kept mine stock. As it is, I went with a high mount exhaust on my T7. Also, since you showed riding in the sand, other than the obvious better tires, I found that increasing the compression damping a bit on the forks helps keep the front end from diving as much in the dry sand. Poorer pavement curve carving though...😉
Man I really want a T700 seems like such a do it all bike with the ability to commute to work comfortably yet go out and blow off some steam on the weekends down some trails/fire roads while still feeling light enough that one could toss it around. I wonder if it is a sub 4 second 0-60 like the mt 07? P.S. I used to have screaming eagles on my 06 1200 low and you are spot on about them being the perfect volume louder than stock,gave a badass tone, yet not going to make your neighbors want to shoot you lol!
7:08 "sensory deprivation tanks" hahaha 🤣
If you didn't open up the intake, opening up the exhaust should do absolutely NOTHING to performance. That's just the laws of physics and I believe are non-negotiable. Once you do open up the intake to match the opened up exhaust, you will need to adjust air and fuel delivery in order to take advantage of the opened up respiration. But even before doing the fuel delivery adjustment an improvement will probably be there somewhat. But only exhaust or only intake, you get nothing in terms of performance. It is all in your head (louder=more power).
As we have many controls by the friendly Policemen, is the exhaust with the cut baffle still in the DB Range?
Truth is, when I look at aftermarket exhausts, I'm more interested in the performance gain and the weight savings than I am the sound. Yeah, I really do like a bike to have a nice rumble to it... but not so loud that you're breaking noise ordinances or pissing off the neighbours. Those just lead to unnecessary hassles. And if you're riding distance, really loud pipes can start to wear on you after while... I know lots of riders who have to wear earplugs to be comfortable on their own bike, and in my estimation that's not only stupid, it's dangerous; it restricts your ability to hear traffic sounds around you that just might save your life.
It's not stupid, or dangerous for me. I find that I can hear better without wind noise filling my ears. Personal preference.
@@gkl6566 But NOT because the noise of your own exhaust is giving you a headache, which is what I was referencing...
Even in my cheap 15 yeah old Vauxhall/Opel Corsa I can't hear bikes coming by me and I'm a biker, I'm looking out for bikes. I had a Sportster with chopped pipes filter past and as the study said, only heard him when he was right beside me.
IMO ... It is all about the pipe. Stock systems mask the character of most ever bike. Even my staid BMW RT became a much more enjoyable ride with the addition of a Laser exhaust. My FJ-09 sounded like a denuded sewing machine with it's stock pipe. A Delvik brought it to life. It's not so much that I like to take my bikes for a ride ... It's more that I'd like to ride with them and hear every note they sing as we tackle a grade or drop into valley.
I got my DRZ400 with a full yoshi already on it. Even with the spark arrester it's a bit much. My ninja 1000 is super quiet stock but since it's a dual exhaust model I need 2 slip ons and my options are pricey.
Get a another original ones and drill inside baffles. Save yours pipes and money and be happy.
Hi there!
Isn't tenere 700 supposed to be 54 kw - 72 hp (68 nm) the stock version?
I had to pause this vid while some open pipe harley asshat blasted down our quiet residential street, including the unnecessary whacking of the throttle 3 times at the stop sign:( i am in the same boat as you, i want to enjoy the sound of my bike but no one 3 blocks away needs to. i cut my baffle down just a bit on a GPR system.
Idk how people make the argument that they don’t save lives. I’m sure none of the anti loud pipe people commute in a major city. They don’t work great at speed on the interstate but they definitely alert people to your presence in high congestion situations where people make random moves and lane changes with no warning.
If you are wearing ear protection like you should is it really that bad?
Threat is ahead, pipes face behind... it's not brain surgery to figure it out.
The loud pipe BS is maintained as an excuse by those justifying anti social behaviour.
Say that to someone that has been rear-ended!
@@allenlipscomb9872 To be rear ended one need be at a standstill. Idling pipes aren't loud. Plonkers who run into things that fill their windscreen can't be helped so the loudest pipes in the world won't save you from stupid.
You haven't stopped behind anyone blipping the exhaust I take it? As for being at a standstill, what are you supposed to do at a traffic light?
Car drivers are not looking for motorcycles and suffer from not seeing what they are expecting. There is no way you are going to convince me otherwise.
I know people that have been rear-ended and quite frankly don't care what the other side thinks whether loud pipes do or do not save lives. To me, it isn't even close to being logical.
@@allenlipscomb9872 Whatever floats your intellectual boat Allen. I have been rear ended and nothing would have helped that moron. Be aware tho.. Blip your bullshit loud pipes next to me at the lights and I'll flick a cigarette at you.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt So you are dumb enough to smoke, yet you call me out for antisocial behavior?
mass of a boss hoss...lol
When you take the baffle out, it does NOT sound like a Yamaha lol I think it sounds great - but then, I'm "that" guy
I like quiet and I like stock. For two reasons. First, why shell out 100's of $'s for something that I'm wearing ear plugs to not listen to. Second thing, those pipes were designed by engineers who know far better why they put them there than I do. And probably third thing, I really can't care less of what bike sounds like. Most of them sound like crap to me and I find myself completely indifferent (even annoyed) when somebody tries to impress me with their pipe. I think I notice Harlies some and they sound slightly cool. The rest is really all same shit to me.
Just adding my comment to the mix I will say this, a crotch rocket wide open screaming from a long distance away got my attention in a semi, with my stereo on... long before it came flying past... So my opinion is they do help in some cases (loud pipes)
Yes - I’d like to install an affordable aftermarket pipe on my Kawasaki - Not because I like loud pipes, but because underbelly stock exhaust on my bike has such a low ground clearance that it’s hard to ride on speedbump filled roads in my Indian metro city..
But the affordable “Two Brothers” pipes are so loud that I’m under the threat of being boycotted by my entire community, so I don’t dare to install them ( and I know for certain the ‘loud pipes save lives’ isn’t applicable to world’s largest motorcycle market - India ) !
Revving your engine is a crowded city won't make you very popular with the neighbours for sure.
FMF with a power bomb. Increased power and parts traffic like Moses and the Red Sea.
Should change the saying to "loud pipes scare drivers, hurt their ears, and make them kinda wish you get hit"
I'm all for a good sounding bike. But when you got that guy hitting the rev limiter with straight pipes when my window is open, as he weavers through 30mph traffic. Yeah. He can go ahead and become one with the pavement
What do you mean it feels pepier ??
The thing i'm most hyped about electric vehicles is getting rid of the noise. Yes, i love riding a great sounding bike/car. Yes, i'm sick of hearing them all fucking day in the city.
They do.
But whatever makes you happy...
I own a 2006 Electra Glide ultra classic with a twin cam 95 with cams I also had Vance & Hines ovals on the bike since the day I purchased it now after 13 or 14 years of ridding it I'm sick of the loud pipes so I do agree with you on your pipe choice and keeping the baffle but I do have one question for you I myself have changed back to a set of screaming eagle take off mufflers from a CVO 110 and the sound is perfect but I did have a mapping issue and had to remap the bike because it was running too rich at that point so do you have any concerns with your bike running to lean with the stock map?
So far I haven’t noticed it. From what I hear the FI adjusts to the pipe. My Harley was tuned in the shop, my Yamaha I did myself. I’ll have to keep an eye on it to be sure, but so far so good.
@@DifferentSpokesTV if I can give you one piece of advice install a new spark plug and read the spark plug the next time you change the oil to see if it's black or chalky white if it's too lean if lean is the case you can always close the gap a couple of points and that'll cause it to run a little bit richer. That's the way we used to do carburetors back in the old days. The new fuel injection ever since they started using O2 sensors they can adjust a few points richer and minus a few points and make it leaner and they call that long-term and short-term fuel curve but try a new plug you'd be surprised how it looks after 500 miles.
u should have gone with black widow exhaust 180$ and perfect sound and looks good quality
Well done...!
Thanks!
It looks exactly like the Leo Vince I installed on my NC700.
Flaw in the design of the study - only tested car drivers. What about pedestrians glued to their phone? Back road cyclists two abreast? 2017 Bobber, x-pipe and British Customs drags. They're aware I'm around mate! It can also be as quiet as stock, just roll off the throttle and pootle along. Doesn't spook horses or their riders.
I sold my DSX 5 from Shark, some Italian sausage but I returned to the stock muffler.
Great video, sir.
I feel loud pipes are just an excuse for a rider to ride less defensively. I actually like quite pipes because it helps me do stealth camping while I’m on a big adventure ride.