Yup, except most american v8’s are a more reliable vehicle then an american 6,or 4. It’s better for the envirnment to keep a v8 running to 200k miles then replacing your car every 20,k miles. A reliable v8 truck is less nuisance then replacing parts over and over on an unreliable vehicle,
777Dubliner everyone has an opinoin, including mechanics. I’m telling you now those turbo motors are NOT more reliable then the v6 non turbo. Theres never been a turbo car in the past 20 years thats been reliable over 100k. Meh, you can do your own homework of youd like. Btw the ford turbo motors are proving to have problems also. The turbo vws... well we all know the reliabilty difference between the vr6 and the 1.8 turbo. Germans made cars that pollute less by slapping turbos on them and we followed suit. German motors are massivly unreliable..all for the sake of a few more mpg and cheap hp.
It's the Koch brothers dude; their only sight is short. They've been charged for everything from environmental catastrophes to bribery by the dozens; they break the law at every turn. They're thugs in suits. They know that the monetary repercussions of their risks pale in comparison to the fortunes they make by breaking / subverting the law.
Just a note, most likely the Petcoke in the trains has a chemical agent spray on top layer to stop removal during movement and by wind. Common in the coal industry.
I like how old people say were such a bad generation and look what they fucking did to our mother know my generation has been faced with the most laborious task, clean the earth and remove these people that don't care about anything but a dollar sign.
Jacob Plante You are a bad generation, your generation isn't going to do shit but complain on the internet. Stop acting like you're going to do anything about it too.
the random lizard is an executive, and it is a byproduct from the oil refining process. Sure its toxic, every refined oil product (gasoline and diesel, you may know them) is toxic. Gasoline was once considered a waste product.
@Lugubriously gasoline is way more readily accesible. its everywhere. it doesnt matter if its a solid or a liquid. also, gasoline isn't a waste product... its a petroleum product. as is petcoke. petcoke is just the last thing you can make from crude oil after all the other products have been refined out of crude. its basically the dredgings of the refinery.
The South Side of Chicago has been a dumping ground for too long (I am a resident). If Pet Coke is fine, trying storing it on the North Side in barges on the lake front. If that happens, then the South Side will accept it as well.
Let's just move the contamination somewhere else. Let's boycott because there are no jobs. Had they employed 300,000 people in the community, I don't think the film would have been wasted.
I'm sure you would live next to a solar panel, wind farm, maybe even a hydro plant, but are you willing to live next to the rare earth metal mines necessary to produce those things?
This has been part of Chicago and North West Indiana for many years. My Father was a Steel worker and so was his Father. It is just the way it has been. They have also refined oil in the area for years too. Standard oil was a large company around there. Chicago and north west Indiana has been an industrial zone for over a 100 years. I am from Hammond Indiana and we lived with it. I am sure many generations will continue to lie with it.
dig pits with retractable roofs to store the Petcoke, cover the materials when transporting it via train, it really doesn't seem like a difficult task to prevent it from getting airborn.
I walk pass these huge piles of petcoke everyday, though i never knew the reality of it, fully. This is a huge awakening. I shall inform all of my friends that live in the Eastside about this.
HEY VICE! can yall do a follow up story and see if they finally covered up their piles, got silos or what?? The companies had 2 years to comply, which is way too long in my opinion. Did they fully comply or??
According to multiple EPA studies and analyses, petroleum coke has a low health hazard potential in humans. It does not have any observable carcinogenic, developmental, or reproductive effects. During animal case studies repeated-dose chronic inhalation did show respiratory inflammation due to dust particles, but not specific to petroleum coke.
Right? She's complaining about parks. What kind of activities can she do in them? Park, walk 20 ft to the picnic table, and eat pizza all day? Her obesity is going to kill her and her kids (most likely also fat) long before any dust will.
Now I realize why the Obama admin. was against the pipeline. I agree we need to find a better way in this country and export our technology rather then tar sands.
What a ridiculous feel-good comment - As you sit at your computer in your home running electricity.... And the Obummer administration is against the XL pipeline because Warren Buffet has your lord and savor in his pocket. Do some research.
The phrase Windy City is more folklore than fact. There are several sources from which the phrase is said to come from. Chicago is no windier than any other city in the U.S.
Wind turbines are a joke, they produce little power in the day when needed and a lot of power around 3am when they're not needed. I realize pet coke is used for making steel, but why does that matter? Nuclear is one of the best sources of energy out there, people don't like it though because they don't realize it's also very safe. The plant in Japan went off because they built it too close to the shore, cherinobl went off because the operators were incompetent, none of the nuclear plants in the us will ever have either of those problems.
Alex Iler It matters because steel is a must have product. Nuclear Power is a great source of power, but the radical environmentalist will not support Nuclear Power, and therefore make it harder and harder to use.. Another great source of energy is hydro, but here again environmental groups like the Sierra Club are determine to stopping hydro power.
StrategicGathering ever heard of three mile island ? chernobyl ? fukushima ? yes those pesky environmentalis always are getting in the way of progress/
What Americans do not know petcoke contains Vanadium oxide it's a rare earths element and using in the steel industry via steel slag to extract it . Vanadium oxide is used in the production of sulphuric acid. The only solution is to stop importing heavy crude from Canada but the byproducts there will be a shortfall.
I have grown up here all my life. At 65 years old and my offspring our suffering from shall we different types of illnesses that might have been induced by all of this stuff... My question to you is does anyone have the longer version of this report available? Any help would be appreciated thank you in advance.
I think Vice did a good job of also showing the point that this is the price we pay for the society we live in. We can't all have our cake and eat it, too.
this is why i am in complete opposition of the tar sands projects in canada because these multi billion dollar corporations aren't willing to go to furthest possible extent to exceed the expectations of their critics they much prefer to say "oh people will always complain" or "well someone needs to live by the toxic pile of crap"?! say no to the tar sands and demand your government switch to alternative energy sources now and not later because later will be too late!!!
Oh yeah? what are you 5 years old? these companies have nothing to do with me, they know they make little to no money off of me they are doing it for china!!! what do you think is fueling all of that pollution? get a grip dude!!!
NicolasKerensky nicolas, first of all i called them a five year old because only a five year old would start a comment with "oh yeah" (as if they are going to tell me how their father can beat up my father and that's why i should listen to them?!) nicolas, yes i do enjoy energy that we use but would i sacrifice a lot of the insignificant toys we have in our lives today to save the planet, fulk yes!!! and then comes the name calling and finger pointing of a typical conservative, why can't you just debate the issue without lowering yourself to that level? adios nicolas, enjoy your life!!!
Living on the south and west sides, ive got a cough that never quits, and some of my family is far far worse. asthma, congenital disorders, learning disabilities,its a long hard road ahead towards change
I work at KM petcoke terminal in Houston and we breath this stuff in every day..I work with guys who have worked here for over 20 years no breathing problems or illness just saying
There are a few ways that Coal power plants obtain new coal to their facility, IE Trains, Barges, and Trucks. Coal and Coke Power plants do regular maintenance to their facilities about 2 times a year. During these times, the power plant can not obtain new coal to their facility and need to have a healthy stock to keep their generators operating. To combat this, plants have a reserve coal yard which they can utilize during these outages. The pile usually has about 45 to 60 days worth of coal for these instances. Every now and then, there are unexpected situations that take down their Rail Car Dumper or Barge Unloader. These piles are there to be able to keep the Power Plant operational. To answer your question, if you were to keep these piles away from the plant it would render them useless in an emergency. Now there is no reason not to keep them in a quarry if they are located next to one. The process of taking a unit down is not easy to do. They schedule these outages months and sometimes years ahead of time. Unless you have a serious situation, these units need to keep running to make sure the power grid is unaffected. I work for a company that specializes in the reduction of airborne coal dust. There are options and safe chemicals out there that will reduce the dust by a large margin. By viewing this video, it looks like BP Whiting has chosen not to purchase this equipment, most likely because it is somewhat costly.
this stuff travels much farther than the s/e side of chi. i lived uptown for three years, and i had to clean my windowsills - and everything near them - every few days. that's what everybody between the plant and north shore are breathes. it's no joke.
Every problem comes with solution.Petcoke contain very good calorific value.Just use this Petcoke to produce synthetic gas.Gasification is can help to solve this issue and also gives gas as better as Natural gas.
techright tv- backup, it's because no one is looking for alternatives?! alternatives cost money and why would they spend money when the old way make them ruthlessly rich?!
Feelthefx At the moment, as the current technology stands. We'll improve it like we do to all technologies, it just needs money pumping into it. And as far as it not being enough, its not enough for our current needs, we need to use less and design more efficient technology. Its going to be hard though since no one can make any money from it at the moment,
Couldn't they suspend the powder in a liquid without much change to the shipping technique? Or cap the damn carts? I mean really this is just sloppy....
Yes, that lady was totally wrong. Whiting is not a white community. It has a very large minority population just like all the neighboring communities near it. Guess they just wanted to broadcast whatever sounds most controversial to help get more views.
It's about time Americans started standing up for themselves against these big corporations and things that are vitally wrong in America we need to stand up for ourselves a lot more let this be an example for us Americans
part of the problem is the parents dont reliaze the world isnt like what it was when they were a kid, or when their parents were kids. Now thats saying alot.
They were storing the stuff in Detroit last year but the city ran them off. The same company is back this year seeking a special permit to store sand and lime in piles 100 feet high. The current variance allows for 10 foot high piles that must be shielded visually by a fence.
I love vice but calling this propaganda journalism is sad. The producer should have found the other side of the argument so viewers can make their own decision. Vice, if you're going to make a difference you need to at least act like you are reporting rather than giving opinions.
When big money is involved the greedy gives a blind eye and the rest is history its sad to see communities suffering because of few individuals who mind about their own pockets.
The beginning is false , yesi do want energy in my backyard , in the form of affordable solar. and Kudos to Rahm for making them enclose it , Two years is reasonable to plan and build , but removal to a rural area would be far better
To recap: 1) There is no evidence this substance is causing harm to anyone in South Chicago. 2) Local regulatory bodies are enforcing preemptive handling policies with a compliance window of 2 years. 3) The current sites reside within an industrial zone, thus no new or exceptional environmental concerns (E.g. ground water) are present. Wow, riveting investigative journalism. Now that I've watched it, can anyone explain why I should care?
The Steel mills in Gary IN Do employ people. The entire NW Indiana region commutes to the industry hub of the Lakeshore. It is a vital economic zone of the Calumet region. Ask people who actually work in these facilities, not just the activists.
I guess VICE was too scared to go to Gary, or just didnt care enough. I also loved how the lady said , "Its from Indiana, it should stay in Indiana". Yeah, mean ol' NW Indiana pickin on lil ol Chicago. Then the thing about Whiting being white, and how they dont want it in their neighborhood, THEY HAVE THE REFINERY THERE YOU IDIOT! I drive that way all the time, and Petcoke or not, you can't polish a turd. They should build a container for it thou.
No, vice is too liberal. They just cover the scary, or inflaming parts of the story to get views. The truth doesn't matter, just internet hits and bankroll. Sniveling little lying snowflake bastard "journalists"! Ha! All they do is type! No skills required to lie and cover up the truth.
The first statement in this video is the truth, Us as Americans want to consume megawatts of electricity, drive our automobiles thousands of miles a year beyond what is needed for work and to live meaning for pleasure and leisure yet we don’t know how to deal with the consequences of our lifestyles and I don’t see many people willing to give it up to rid our planet of this issue.
Make no mistake this will cause lung cancer, with all the current research about mesothelioma from silica/concrete dust this will create a similar condition.
If you want cheaper gasoline and diesel fuel you'll have to put up with it. Koch should be doing more dust control and even housing it inside a structure so it doesn't blow around.
I love how Illinois people think that it's not adversely effecting anyone in Indiana, Whiting in particular. I live in Whiting and it IS in my backyard. And it IS effecting everyone here in Whiting/Robertsdale adversely. It's not just the southsiders. The pet coke is on everything and I give up keeping my car washed and waxed. I give up keeping my house windows reasonably clean. I give up on my rain barrel and my little garden pond that has a constant oil sheen on the water and pet coke silt at the bottom. BP and KCBX need to held accountable for this. And Tom Wolfe is so full of shit when he says it's not harmful or toxic. I'll bet he lives in a 5 million dollar house in some gated community FAR from this problem. We should all get together and dump truckloads of pet coke in his backyard and see what he says about it then.
We have same thing happening in Australia, where the EPA are state government organisations and their role is to produce the guidelines, however, they have no interest in receiving reports of breaches from the public, investigation or prosecution breaches. They may as well not exist as they have no real purpose.
I dont understand these people! If its that bad and your health, your children health, is at risk (which I fully believe it is) THEN MOVE! GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! GO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE! RENT A DIFFERENT PLACE!
Meh where i live we have 3 refineries side by side. I live 5 minutes away from the U.S largest refinery motiva and valero. No coke has been blown down to me backyard. But i can say it does cling to everything since i've worked in these facilities and mainly in their coking section.
I used to pickup steel coils on the south side & NW Indiana and have seen those petcoke piles. It really is an industrial dumping ground.. No way I'd wanna work or live around there. very dirty.
America needs no enemies with industry neighbors like these. Poor old Southeast side of Chicago. Bessmer park. Calumet park off the lake front. Commerical ave in the summer during sidewalk sales. Always living under industrial dust.
Yet another reason to ween ourselves from our addiction to fossil fuels. Exporting pollution to another country follows the principle "out of sight out of mind."
This is ridiculous the company expands because of users , people use gasoline so why are they mad of what the people are causing? Its not the companies fault. Its how many people use gasoline .
Who thought it was a good idea to dump toxic dust piles anywhere in the windy city region? Shear stupidity
The microphones and lighting in the public forum are all provided by energy. That's like standing on a soap box to boycott Irish spring.
@@insert7493 Thats so beyond the point you can still dump it where people arent living and not next to them
@@kingofrivia1248 it cost $$$ to do that, much cheaper to leave it laying around
Sheer vs shear like wind 🌬️
@@insert7493 Many cities like Chicago use renewable energy. Plus, it doesn't matter.
Americans be like: I hate pollution, let's get in my V8 SUV to get a coffee at Starbucks and talk about it.
Exactly
normie x Yup! That was my comment
Yup, except most american v8’s are a more reliable vehicle then an american 6,or 4. It’s better for the envirnment to keep a v8 running to 200k miles then replacing your car every 20,k miles. A reliable v8 truck is less nuisance then replacing parts over and over on an unreliable vehicle,
777Dubliner everyone has an opinoin, including mechanics. I’m telling you now those turbo motors are NOT more reliable then the v6 non turbo. Theres never been a turbo car in the past 20 years thats been reliable over 100k. Meh, you can do your own homework of youd like. Btw the ford turbo motors are proving to have problems also. The turbo vws... well we all know the reliabilty difference between the vr6 and the 1.8 turbo. Germans made cars that pollute less by slapping turbos on them and we followed suit. German motors are massivly unreliable..all for the sake of a few more mpg and cheap hp.
Thanks for lumping us all together though 👍🏻
Doing something environmentally hazardous for the sake of jobs and low prices is incredibly short sighted.
It's the Koch brothers dude; their only sight is short. They've been charged for everything from environmental catastrophes to bribery by the dozens; they break the law at every turn. They're thugs in suits. They know that the monetary repercussions of their risks pale in comparison to the fortunes they make by breaking / subverting the law.
@@Jex134 Buffet owns evil coal power too.
Just a note, most likely the Petcoke in the trains has a chemical agent spray on top layer to stop removal during movement and by wind. Common in the coal industry.
I like how old people say were such a bad generation and look what they fucking did to our mother know my generation has been faced with the most laborious task, clean the earth and remove these people that don't care about anything but a dollar sign.
ill be happy to pitch in to both tasks.
Jacob Plante You are a bad generation, your generation isn't going to do shit but complain on the internet. Stop acting like you're going to do anything about it too.
No i will do something about it lol.
What the hell was that?? Can you please speak English. Fuck.
Jacob Plante you arn't going to do a fucking thing ecept leave whinny comments on youtube.
random lizard: ''its not waste its byproduct'', actual professor at an credible university: ''its toxic waste''
the random lizard is an executive, and it is a byproduct from the oil refining process. Sure its toxic, every refined oil product (gasoline and diesel, you may know them) is toxic. Gasoline was once considered a waste product.
@Lugubriously absolutely... gasoline often has benzene in it which is a known carcinogen.
@Lugubriously gasoline is way more readily accesible. its everywhere. it doesnt matter if its a solid or a liquid. also, gasoline isn't a waste product... its a petroleum product. as is petcoke. petcoke is just the last thing you can make from crude oil after all the other products have been refined out of crude. its basically the dredgings of the refinery.
The South Side of Chicago has been a dumping ground for too long (I am a resident). If Pet Coke is fine, trying storing it on the North Side in barges on the lake front. If that happens, then the South Side will accept it as well.
Wat? North side isnt nearly as industrial
Let's just move the contamination somewhere else. Let's boycott because there are no jobs. Had they employed 300,000 people in the community, I don't think the film would have been wasted.
"everyone loves energy but no one wants to live near it." Damn, if we started using clean energies i'd live right next door!
d3ug you already do Libtard!!! Unless you don’t have utility poles!!!
Honestly, with the state the US is in RN, I'd just move
I'm sure you would live next to a solar panel, wind farm, maybe even a hydro plant, but are you willing to live next to the rare earth metal mines necessary to produce those things?
d3ug like what
Clean energy is an oxymoron
I currently work with Pet coke. As a matter of fact, I am on shiftwork, loading a vessel with Pet Coke at this very moment.
There is a very large number of people who work with Pet Coke! And, it IS a by product used elsewhere and in many things, like fertilizer.
This has been part of Chicago and North West Indiana for many years. My Father was a Steel worker and so was his Father. It is just the way it has been. They have also refined oil in the area for years too. Standard oil was a large company around there. Chicago and north west Indiana has been an industrial zone for over a 100 years. I am from Hammond Indiana and we lived with it. I am sure many generations will continue to lie with it.
dig pits with retractable roofs to store the Petcoke, cover the materials when transporting it via train, it really doesn't seem like a difficult task to prevent it from getting airborn.
My thoughts exactly.
groundwater seepage into Lake Michigan, this would bring Vice to NW Indiana again to make another story. Not A GOOD IDEA
I walk pass these huge piles of petcoke everyday, though i never knew the reality of it, fully. This is a huge awakening. I shall inform all of my friends that live in the Eastside about this.
Chuy Medina that a boy !
Chuy Medina
Now 5 years later, is it better now?
@312vandal
Sorry to hear that
I’d move away, that’s guaranteed lung cancer right there
HEY VICE! can yall do a follow up story and see if they finally covered up their piles, got silos or what?? The companies had 2 years to comply, which is way too long in my opinion. Did they fully comply or??
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According to multiple EPA studies and analyses, petroleum coke has a low
health hazard potential in humans. It does not have any observable
carcinogenic, developmental, or reproductive effects. During animal case
studies repeated-dose chronic inhalation did show respiratory inflammation due to dust particles, but not specific to petroleum coke.
Where's Captain Planet when you need him?
the woman at 2:46 should first fix her own health before complaining about other stuff
Lol for real though.
Right? She's complaining about parks. What kind of activities can she do in them? Park, walk 20 ft to the picnic table, and eat pizza all day? Her obesity is going to kill her and her kids (most likely also fat) long before any dust will.
BP had the best track-record for safety in the oil business.
+Frank Manzeroy Hah, nice one.
I say blame the wind...
And the dirty source
Now I realize why the Obama admin. was against the pipeline. I agree we need to find a better way in this country and export our technology rather then tar sands.
What a ridiculous feel-good comment - As you sit at your computer in your home running electricity.... And the Obummer administration is against the XL pipeline because Warren Buffet has your lord and savor in his pocket. Do some research.
You must be for the deregulating of the EPA Asanti the filling up of the swamp
The Obama administration greenlight the keystone pipeline, or did you forget that?
Flint
The phrase Windy City is more folklore than fact. There are several sources from which the phrase is said to come from. Chicago is no windier than any other city in the U.S.
Its been two years, anyone have any updates on the progress?
Mustyrat it's still not completely covered
Jarid. Dems were in control 4 years ago when this story was made. What’s your excuse now dipshit
Jarid Gaming you do realize Rham Emanuel is a Democrat, right?
Jarid Gaming You know the state is a blue state so do not blame republicans for what your state elected officials are failing to take action
Jarid Gaming you are the reason the left lost a bunch of dumb fucks
12:00 that turn without blinker lol..
Toxicdust in the windy city, what could go wrong??
You have to scrub your hands with soap & water to get dirt off, too... O.o
Dirt doesn't cause Lung cancer...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particulates#Health_effects
I never said it does... I said it doesn't wash off without soap & water.
soap and water to get dirt off? What the fuck kinda dirt you live near? Water works just fine, dipshit.
6:15 Why dont the workers wear masks? I really dont understand that. How could you breathe that in knowing the damage that it does.
Renewable Energies please come and save us from this disgusting coke!
They would but no one will support nuclear so for now they're all not feasible.
Petcoke is used for making steel which renewables like wind turbines need steel. You people are so uneducated these things.
Wind turbines are a joke, they produce little power in the day when needed and a lot of power around 3am when they're not needed. I realize pet coke is used for making steel, but why does that matter? Nuclear is one of the best sources of energy out there, people don't like it though because they don't realize it's also very safe. The plant in Japan went off because they built it too close to the shore, cherinobl went off because the operators were incompetent, none of the nuclear plants in the us will ever have either of those problems.
Alex Iler It matters because steel is a must have product. Nuclear Power is a great source of power, but the radical environmentalist will not support Nuclear Power, and therefore make it harder and harder to use.. Another great source of energy is hydro, but here again environmental groups like the Sierra Club are determine to stopping hydro power.
StrategicGathering ever heard of three mile island ? chernobyl ? fukushima ? yes those pesky environmentalis always are getting in the way of progress/
so its basically the same as diesel soot?
What Americans do not know petcoke contains Vanadium oxide it's a rare earths element and using in the steel industry via steel slag to extract it . Vanadium oxide is used in the production of sulphuric acid. The only solution is to stop importing heavy crude from Canada but the byproducts there will be a shortfall.
is this like smokin resin
+chownful Way worse resin is mostly tar this shit has emphazema and all kinds of chemicals that are in oil and carcinogens
Adamthesavior shit, ownder if it get u high
chownful I smoke resin on occasion aint nothing wrong with it
Adamthesavior one time we found a junkie n told him it was black tar heroin n he injected it n died
chownful Thats awful
That makes for a good argument in that the owners and management must live down wind and within a short distance of any noxious facility they control
I have grown up here all my life. At 65 years old and my offspring our suffering from shall we different types of illnesses that might have been induced by all of this stuff... My question to you is does anyone have the longer version of this report available? Any help would be appreciated thank you in advance.
I think Vice did a good job of also showing the point that this is the price we pay for the society we live in. We can't all have our cake and eat it, too.
this is why i am in complete opposition of the tar sands projects in canada because these multi billion dollar corporations aren't willing to go to furthest possible extent to exceed the expectations of their critics they much prefer to say "oh people will always complain" or "well someone needs to live by the toxic pile of crap"?! say no to the tar sands and demand your government switch to alternative energy sources now and not later because later will be too late!!!
Oh yeah? what are you 5 years old? these companies have nothing to do with me, they know they make little to no money off of me they are doing it for china!!! what do you think is fueling all of that pollution? get a grip dude!!!
NicolasKerensky nicolas, first of all i called them a five year old because only a five year old would start a comment with "oh yeah" (as if they are going to tell me how their father can beat up my father and that's why i should listen to them?!) nicolas, yes i do enjoy energy that we use but would i sacrifice a lot of the insignificant toys we have in our lives today to save the planet, fulk yes!!! and then comes the name calling and finger pointing of a typical conservative, why can't you just debate the issue without lowering yourself to that level? adios nicolas, enjoy your life!!!
How is that toxic waste? Petcoke is extremely dense in energy
Does calling it toxic fuel make the situation any better?
Living on the south and west sides, ive got a cough that never quits, and some of my family is far far worse. asthma, congenital disorders, learning disabilities,its a long hard road ahead towards change
I work at KM petcoke terminal in Houston and we breath this stuff in every day..I work with guys who have worked here for over 20 years no breathing problems or illness just saying
Why cant they store them in the old quarries instead of filling them with water.
There are a few ways that Coal power plants obtain new coal to their facility, IE Trains, Barges, and Trucks. Coal and Coke Power plants do regular maintenance to their facilities about 2 times a year. During these times, the power plant can not obtain new coal to their facility and need to have a healthy stock to keep their generators operating. To combat this, plants have a reserve coal yard which they can utilize during these outages. The pile usually has about 45 to 60 days worth of coal for these instances.
Every now and then, there are unexpected situations that take down their Rail Car Dumper or Barge Unloader. These piles are there to be able to keep the Power Plant operational. To answer your question, if you were to keep these piles away from the plant it would render them useless in an emergency. Now there is no reason not to keep them in a quarry if they are located next to one.
The process of taking a unit down is not easy to do. They schedule these outages months and sometimes years ahead of time. Unless you have a serious situation, these units need to keep running to make sure the power grid is unaffected.
I work for a company that specializes in the reduction of airborne coal dust. There are options and safe chemicals out there that will reduce the dust by a large margin. By viewing this video, it looks like BP Whiting has chosen not to purchase this equipment, most likely because it is somewhat costly.
10:20 sounds so nice. I am thankful and disappointed at the same time that I was born after that time.
Why is it only bp?
All this and AOC is worried about cow farts. Lol😂😂😂😂
this stuff travels much farther than the s/e side of chi. i lived uptown for three years, and i had to clean my windowsills - and everything near them - every few days. that's what everybody between the plant and north shore are breathes. it's no joke.
At the mouth of Lake Michigan and where it eventually empties into the Mississippi River, then into the gulf....
Wind turbine, hydro, solar power. And why is my TV 240V when my laptop monitor is 12V?!?!? So many ways to change this situation!
Every problem comes with solution.Petcoke contain very good calorific value.Just use this Petcoke to produce synthetic gas.Gasification is can help to solve this issue and also gives gas as better as Natural gas.
"where else could it be coming from" Great ending.
There's no energy that doesn't have a fucking massive downside.
solar,wind,wave
VacantPlanets You forgot Hydro-power, only real downside is that in some places it fucks with the fishes... Or if you make a giant dam
techright tv- backup, it's because no one is looking for alternatives?! alternatives cost money and why would they spend money when the old way make them ruthlessly rich?!
***** the down side there is that its not enough
Feelthefx At the moment, as the current technology stands. We'll improve it like we do to all technologies, it just needs money pumping into it. And as far as it not being enough, its not enough for our current needs, we need to use less and design more efficient technology. Its going to be hard though since no one can make any money from it at the moment,
Couldn't they suspend the powder in a liquid without much change to the shipping technique? Or cap the damn carts? I mean really this is just sloppy....
I agree with everyting except 8:23
Yes, that lady was totally wrong. Whiting is not a white community. It has a very large minority population just like all the neighboring communities near it. Guess they just wanted to broadcast whatever sounds most controversial to help get more views.
It's about time Americans started standing up for themselves against these big corporations and things that are vitally wrong in America we need to stand up for ourselves a lot more let this be an example for us Americans
part of the problem is the parents dont reliaze the world isnt like what it was when they were a kid, or when their parents were kids. Now thats saying alot.
They didn't even point out that it's being stored in a place literally nick names the WINDY CITY
not named because of the wind off Lake Michigan though. RESEARCH IT.
They were storing the stuff in Detroit last year but the city ran them off. The same company is back this year seeking a special permit to store sand and lime in piles 100 feet high. The current variance allows for 10 foot high piles that must be shielded visually by a fence.
I love vice but calling this propaganda journalism is sad.
The producer should have found the other side of the argument so viewers can make their own decision.
Vice, if you're going to make a difference you need to at least act like you are reporting rather than giving opinions.
Every time i drive over that bridge, i always wonder what those huge black piles were.... I always assumed it was loose asphalt 😬
Same I thought it was coal or asphalt
thats crazy... this story is right in my back yard.. Chicago and Whiting
Put grain pile covers on it. Farmers do it at their grain storage piles.
If not there, then where
just dump everything in gary indiana, they wont even notice
tyrone biggums 😂😂💀
When big money is involved the greedy gives a blind eye and the rest is history its sad to see communities suffering because of few individuals who mind about their own pockets.
The beginning is false , yesi do want energy in my backyard , in the form of affordable solar. and Kudos to Rahm for making them enclose it , Two years is reasonable to plan and build , but removal to a rural area would be far better
The petcoke is used in Gary Indiana at a steel mill.
Removal to rural area? that would be a very shitty and coward move.
It was dumped on the Mississippi gulf coast 3/22.
To recap:
1) There is no evidence this substance is causing harm to anyone in South Chicago.
2) Local regulatory bodies are enforcing preemptive handling policies with a compliance window of 2 years.
3) The current sites reside within an industrial zone, thus no new or exceptional environmental concerns (E.g. ground water) are present.
Wow, riveting investigative journalism. Now that I've watched it, can anyone explain why I should care?
The Steel mills in Gary IN Do employ people. The entire NW Indiana region commutes to the industry hub of the Lakeshore. It is a vital economic zone of the Calumet region. Ask people who actually work in these facilities, not just the activists.
Thorium anyone?
wont be as profitable as nuclear, not as big of an industry, i think.
The petcoke is used in Gary Indiana at a steel mill.
I guess VICE was too scared to go to Gary, or just didnt care enough. I also loved how the lady said , "Its from Indiana, it should stay in Indiana". Yeah, mean ol' NW Indiana pickin on lil ol Chicago. Then the thing about Whiting being white, and how they dont want it in their neighborhood, THEY HAVE THE REFINERY THERE YOU IDIOT! I drive that way all the time, and Petcoke or not, you can't polish a turd. They should build a container for it thou.
No, vice is too liberal. They just cover the scary, or inflaming parts of the story to get views. The truth doesn't matter, just internet hits and bankroll. Sniveling little lying snowflake bastard "journalists"! Ha! All they do is type! No skills required to lie and cover up the truth.
The first statement in this video is the truth, Us as Americans want to consume megawatts of electricity, drive our automobiles thousands of miles a year beyond what is needed for work and to live meaning for pleasure and leisure yet we don’t know how to deal with the consequences of our lifestyles and I don’t see many people willing to give it up to rid our planet of this issue.
It's funny because it's either they have power or no power
than stop buying 7 liter suvs
Use it in road paving.
Make no mistake this will cause lung cancer, with all the current research about mesothelioma from silica/concrete dust this will create a similar condition.
Can they just wet the surface
If you want cheaper gasoline and diesel fuel you'll have to put up with it. Koch should be doing more dust control and even housing it inside a structure so it doesn't blow around.
So problem should be solved by now right???
Do people not remember what BP did
Gasoline used to be considered a waste product as well. Maybe we can find a new use for this crap?
This shit is scary If you really think about it most people Don't care until something Bad really happens smh
Use it to make black powder for ammo
Petcoke can be used as coal alternative in thermal power station. it is used in countries like India.
interesting...
I love how Illinois people think that it's not adversely effecting anyone in Indiana, Whiting in particular. I live in Whiting and it IS in my backyard. And it IS effecting
everyone here in Whiting/Robertsdale adversely. It's not just the southsiders. The pet coke is on everything and I give up keeping my car washed and waxed. I give up keeping my house windows reasonably clean. I give up on my rain barrel and my little garden pond that has a constant oil sheen on the water and pet coke silt at the bottom. BP and KCBX need to held accountable for this. And Tom Wolfe is so full of shit when he says it's not harmful or toxic. I'll bet he lives in a 5 million dollar house in some gated community FAR from this problem. We should all get together and dump truckloads of pet coke in his backyard and see what he says about it then.
We have same thing happening in Australia, where the EPA are state government organisations and their role is to produce the guidelines, however, they have no interest in receiving reports of breaches from the public, investigation or prosecution breaches. They may as well not exist as they have no real purpose.
I think a good idea for a protest would be to try to block the entrance to the port for a day.
this would cripple the livelihoods of farmers in Indiana trying to get their products out to market. THINK before you act.
Bruh I live next to the oil field in Texas and this is not even that bad
I dont understand these people! If its that bad and your health, your children health, is at risk (which I fully believe it is) THEN MOVE! GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! GO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE! RENT A DIFFERENT PLACE!
I really can't see humans advance forward with the current energy sources we have.
no advances from now on!!! it will be a period of mediocrity and then steady decline!!!
Meh where i live we have 3 refineries side by side. I live 5 minutes away from the U.S largest refinery motiva and valero. No coke has been blown down to me backyard. But i can say it does cling to everything since i've worked in these facilities and mainly in their coking section.
I used to pickup steel coils on the south side & NW Indiana and have seen those petcoke piles. It really is an industrial dumping ground.. No way I'd wanna work or live around there. very dirty.
From coast to coast the U.S is 3000 miles so if it's 2000 miles from Chicago then it's obviously effecting more citys
the health and well being of people should come after the health and well being of the planet.
lol, so I posted before the end of this video. Called it! Awesome video!
These people are not even beginning to live what many poor countries are living for the last few decades.
America needs no enemies with industry neighbors like these. Poor old Southeast side of Chicago. Bessmer park. Calumet park off the lake front. Commerical ave in the summer during sidewalk sales. Always living under industrial dust.
we would get acid rain in New York from coal burned in Ohio. negligence for profit margin should be criminal
If more American's were like Hank Hill America would be a lot less fucked up
Some real Rita Skeeter energy in this video.
Love this stuff
if the dust is coming from that pile. is the guy willing to go to jail?
Yeah lets store it in the windy city , it wont blow around everywhere.
Yet another reason to ween ourselves from our addiction to fossil fuels. Exporting pollution to another country follows the principle "out of sight out of mind."
Every nation gets the government it deserves. -Joseph de Maistre
This is ridiculous the company expands because of users , people use gasoline so why are they mad of what the people are causing? Its not the companies fault. Its how many people use gasoline .