SpaceX's Starship Is Changing Design Again!
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SpaceX's Starship is getting a major upgrade? What’s new in the Starship FAA lawsuit saga? Rocket Lab takes another step into reusability! Has China just won the orbital methane rocket race? And India is flying to the Moon!
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Have you expected the Chinese to outpace the United States in this achievement? Or maybe It doesn’t really affect anything in the long run?
They won't outpace the USA because despite being hard worker they are less imaginative than the American. Imagination is what drives innovations into the future.
It's no surprise when they have a communist government funding it vs ONE private company needing to be profitable to continue. Plus they steal tech left and right.
But I believe SpaceX is innovating faster which gives them a lead at every turn.
The Chinese were the first to create rockets - and gunpowder - for amusement. They were designed to blow up spectacularly. I don't see that they are outpacing the US. Right now China and India look like tortoises that didn't start moving until after the great-grandkids of the winner tried to do it. The US has robotic landers and rovers on Mars; iin comparison the Moon is easy, boring. What China and India seek to do now, the US US already achieved.
It's much easier to copy something what's been done before especially when the details of how it was done have been released and you've had decades to study it.
Not to in any way diminish the magnitude of what SpaceX is accomplishing but most of the foundational work was done by NASA. To me SpaceX he's a prime example of commerce and engineering proceeding swiftly where bureaucracy feared to tread, China and India examples of governments desperately trying to show that they can catch up - not to the US - to SpaceX.
I expected it since the FAA is too slow. If they're any slower, we're gonna lose the space race
@@psdaengr911 Yes the Chinese did now they boost knowledge from Space X by gifted or simply boost knowledge without permission.
ATP= acceptance test procedure. It is a document of how the test is performed to certify or accept the engine. It would include all the modes, durations, minimum and maximum limits and data points that the engine must go through to be accepted. The same is done for all aircraft engines and auxiliary power units.
“Raptors explode when pushed to their absolute limits”
More like SpaceX pushes Raptors to beyond their limits, outside the envelope..
They tend to ‘test to failure’ to find out WHAT the absolute limits are, to how far out the envelope exists.
Aircraft wings are designed to ultimate failure limits. The wings are statically ground tested to those limits, supposed to fail/buckle at that exact point. If the wings don’t fail they are stronger & therefore heavier than necessary, so are redesigned to save weight & increase payload. A Raptor which doesn’t fail at its limit is over designed & overweight, or their operating limits should be raised.
Elon always said that production is MUCH harder than design. My guess is that BO is finding that out right about now.
With that engine explosion I think the chances of cert-2 flying this year went out the window, and depending on what the investigation reveals it could also potentially push cert-1 back as well.
Biggest fan of SpaceX Star Ship ever. Now for my BIGGEST bucket list wish, I want to push the button to send the next Star-Ship on its way to space and beyond.
Vote for Jim, send it Jim
My votes with Jim
im pretty sure that no one presses a button at liftoff. that is all sheduled minutes before T-0. the only button that could be pressed around that time is the FTS Button, but please stay away from that one... :D
Its not 1980 anymore old pal, people might use the word "klick". Make one click on the screen and the automated start system starts
the BE4 exploding in the test is so much better than blowing up attached to the rocket and taking everything with it-- so that is good.
I love that after all this time, and no matter how professional and polished these episodes get, you still put the outtakes at the end 😄 A great reminder that making mistakes is OK and we’re all just human.
Thank you for all the in-depth, detailed info. You rock! 🤘
From the UK.
Thank you, Benny! It's a pleasure and the bloopers will never go away. :D
Danke!
If someone is chocked that SpaceX design has changed they have not been paying attention.
SpaceX is renowned for constant change, when the starship is working as well as Falcon and boasting hundreds of reuses the design process will probably slow down but not until then.
As you say, Felix, “progress” is the best one-word descriptor for Starbase! But for me, the most newsworthy items in this episode are (1) a Chinese firm has surprisingly become the first to reach orbit with a methane powered rocket, and (2) India is on its way back to the moon, with an improved version of their lander which so nearly made it the first time. And at a budget price. Go India! If they succeed, they join USA, USSR & Japan as the only nations that have ever soft-landed craft on our Luna.
Small correction , the third nation to soft land a craft on the Moon is China, not Japan. Best of luck to India on this mission!
Being the first to reach orbit with a methalox rocket isn't that big a deal, no matter how much some commentators have built up a "race". It's a useful accomplishment given the traditional Chinese reliance on hypergolics, but the engine itself is a pretty basic open-cycle design, nothing particularly revolutionary.
ATP in manufacturing is acceptance test procedure which is final testing before manufacturing shipment.
The container attached to the booster looks like a kerbal goo experiment 😉
I personally prefer the 9-engine-starship renders where the vacuum raptors are arranged in pairs to leave more room for the sea-level ones to gimble.
* gimbal *
Your wish will be granted but for slightly different reasons than what you listed. VacRaptors will be arranged in pairs to leave space for center Raptors to gimble into gaps between pairs of VacRaptors and form tripod of Raptor fire during hot staging of the rocket. With bottom part of the Skirt totally removed as 6 VacRaptors will be used as structural support for the rocket no heat shields will be required on top of SH Booster. Strange things happen when Elon "buckles under prevailing compressive force "
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 'gumbal' actually
Greetings from Costa Rica! :D
Well done to the Engineers at Landspace, heck of an achievement from a small team, will look forward to seeing more info on payload size and reliability. Competition in this endeavour is good for everyone.
Same goes with the ISRO, especially as they've achived so much on a very limited budget compared to other Luna missions.
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ATP - In Aviation an ATP is Acceptance Test Procedure.
Just an FYI
You’re doing a great job and I look forward to seeing your videos each week!
Thanks!!!
As an American Certified Quality Assurance Auditor ex-pat that has lived in China continuously for over 10 years, I'll just say that the Chinese can copy anything , but quality and honor are not consistent and failures occur because of greed and shortcuts. They'll cut any corner they think they can get away with for a couple of extra Yuan in profit. Reusable rocketry is likely an impossibility in China. It's good they are in rocketry, because i believe it will force consistent quality to sustain any level of profitability.
Great content and, as always, awesome delivery by Felix! I love watching WAI.
The ring with a ports around it, may be a test adapter to be place on top of the booster with the new end cap installed for hot staging. This would allow the area above the new endcap to be pressurized evenly to emulate the pressure of the rapters on starship firing for booster separation, to assure that the new endcap doesn't collapse or otherwise get damaged.
12:10 This looks like attachment points for the straps connected to the hydraulic pulling rams on the max-Q test stand.
As simple as that.
Can't wait to see the booster bidet in action.
Hey Steve. There's some poop on that raptor.
Don't worry about it, Bob.
The need to hire Howard Joel Wolowitz
That’s the best name for it, booster bidet! Love it! Lol
Booster Bidet is the perfect name! 😂
Quick, someone tell Elon!
Yay no concrete dingle berries
I am really glad this channel sticks to doing what it does best with the news updates, and doesn't wander off into speculative videos like certain other channels :)
... After awhile, repetitious updates get rather bland for the creators, so our Aussie friend likes to have some fun and play what if.
You know, Kind of like what Elon has been doing and we are seeing play out in real time.
Thrust to weight of 1.0 means lots of flames but no movement. 2.0 means flying up as fast as things normally fall down.
Also means the stack has to be robust enough to handle twice its total take-off weight / mass, which single fold is already insane.
Good job Felix and Crew 😊
Thanks, Shawn!
Another Awesome episode! WAI people, you rock! I was thinking how in a few years those numbers for Starship will look low in comparison to what SpaceX will achieve in the future. Only a few weeks until they start testing b9 and the shower head system. Should be pretty exciting August and September.
Thanks again for the updates! I look forward to your coverage every time there is something new
Hey Felix. I really enjoy your space coverage and especially like your amazing enthusiasm. Your attention to detail is fantastic and your energy keeps me glued to your channel.
Keep it up. You make space exciting.
Good for you Felix. One of the few RUclipsrs who knows how to pronounce "Autogenous".
Always amazing how complicated a rocket is. Sure is giving a lot of smart people jobs.
Rocket science is easy… it’s the engineering that’s difficult.
@@JohnR31415 Yes in deed
I guess Jeff Bezos' Space program is giving work to a lot of Dumb People.
Giving lots of guys jobs everywhere.
Just smart enough to ruin our planet without helping in any way whatsoever.
How many Raptors can we fit on a Starship? - Yes.
Somebody has to push the button. Love it!
don't forget that adding more Rvac's while keeping the same amount of sea-level raptors increases the average vacuum specific impulse during high-thrust maneuvers
Your videos need time stamps at min, chapters preferred. I would definitely watch more if i could easily find the sections i want to watch. Instead of having to skim through video and stop watching because i cant find what im looking for. Easy way to increase your watch time.
Maybe the ring with all the outlets has something to do mit luna lander starship? Or have we seen something else for the smal engines above the tank level for landing?
I think 🤔 maybe a lion engine with battery 🔋 and solder panels 🍗🌞🙂
Felix, I think those holes on the top ring are not the focus of the design. It looks to me that those holes are actually cleats for extremely large ropes to pull down on the test section to simulate extreme compression during launch.
Agreed ...they look like the "knobs" on the top cap of the Cancrusher.
Lil insight from the industry, ATP stands for “acceptance test procedure”. Compared to certification testing that tests the design, atp’s are the test procedure that each manufactured unit goes through for acceptance thus testing failures are not entirely out of the ordinary. Keep up the great videos!
New episode WOOO!
Late because of Adobe. Thanks, Adobe. Love you. :D
Amazing updates on SpaceX; Rocket Lab; Blue Origin; and The like!
Well done, Felix!
Hi Felix, the ship test article with 12 holes could be a prototype for the lunar lander. The holes could be places that the upper small rocket engine exhaust could be directed for landings, given that the main engines would tear a hole in the lunar regolith. The fact that the holes are around the whole circumference implies that this is not the prototype for a starship that would reenter Earth's atmosphere.
@12:00 How many cables are used to pull down that cap they've tested tanks with in the past? If it's 24 then those may just be hooks for those cables.
that ground news website actually sounds like a good idea. Awesome episode Felix!
ATP is Acceptance Test Procedure. This is what certifies hardware in order to get a CoC or Certificate of Conformance.
And yes, it is also Authority to Proceed when speaking of contractual direction from customer to supplier.
Great job, Felix! You know how to pronounce the new tech word: "deluge" ! Congrats!
what engine format was the chinese first-to-orbit methalox achievement?
Fantastic video.
Amazing to see what ISRO's is hoping to accomplish on a limited budget.
Great stuff Felix!
Looking forward to the deluged system testing.
Hi from the future
To avoid compromising Starship structural integrity as complexity, SpaceX should consider the hatch not at an horizontal plane, but at a vertical pane, while the satellites are deployed with a revolver mechanism.
A revolver mechanism would not only likely hold less, but it would probably also be unreliable, heavy, and lower satellite capacity.
@@1mariomaniac Removing a big lateral section of the hull, leads to additional weight from structural reinforcements. So at the end, the weight gain from a revolver system could be marginal.
@@RogerM88 That may be so, but still it could be problematic. It's never good to add more moving parts than necessary, especially with something so complex. It would also most definitely lower capacity by a large margin since room would have to be taken up by the revolving mechanism.
@@1mariomaniac In my opinion SpaceX should consider following the layout of the Jarvis prototype from Blue Origin. Similar to Starship, but with a standard payload fairing. That would allow a more standard cargo deploy at Orbit, as less mass on reentry. The additional advantages, would be allowing to have an abort system for Crew missions, as quicker turn around missions, since the cargo section could be ready to launch while Starship lands.
@@RogerM88 Yeah but Starship is supposed to be fully reusable. Having payload fairings like Jarvis or the Falcon-9 would make that way more difficult than just figuring out this structural issue (which they may be close to doing with the new payload door they've installed).
Edit: it would also require a massive redesign to accommodate payload fairings.
Love it - “Sometimes someone just has to push the button.” Yes! Push the button.
💪😁
Hi, I am the SNP in Malta here. I left the UK before Brexit and will not come back until Scotland is a Nation again inside Europe.
50 rockets flying every 3 days, LMAO!! 😂😂😂 Don't know what Elon was smoking but it must have been way too strong! 😂
he still wants and currently working on system that needs 4-6 refuel launch to even work, so it is this insanity from start, and also this is one of the most likely reason why it will never work, every launch is risky, but if you need half dozen to make one actual launch, than you are already way too risky.
More over that many Starship launches. At the rate it's going they'll be lucky if they can have the next test flight in 17 months.
I wonder how big the cloud of steam is going to be whenever the next booster launches. Definitely going to look a lot most aesthetic with a giant white cloud instead of the usual brown cloud of dirt.
And boulders.
It'll likely dissipate pretty fast too which will keep people more happy.
If part of the cloud is superheated, which is very likely in the immediate vicinity of rocket engine, that part will actually be clear and it will start condensing only further away.
And local rain showers expected.
SpaceX tweet of plate test should be the clue. Spoiler: not much of steam actually
Its obvious that those "outstaging ring" things are speed holes. More speeeeeeeeed!
Right. With NASA and the military now fully dependent on Starship's timely progress, the jokers trying to work lawsuits against SpaceX-almost certainly with at least some backing from the likes of Boeing, BO, or just entities pitted against SpaceX/Tesla/etc.-are going to see their efforts fizzle out. Progress is just a little too important.
Could the mystery ring be a prototype for a lunar retro-thruster segment?
Not likely, the HLS will have separate landing thrusters mounted at an angle way up where the cone starts, to prevent anything from being kicked up. And the initial retro thrusting will be done without any modifications to the skirt, by the vacuum raptors.
This new plate may fail again but you pick up the pieces and build another. It’s never a failure just a test
11:52 perhaps for loading weights evenly?
Finally, I've been refreshing YT like crazy waiting for your video :P
Lets hope as the engine thrust is increased the structure of the vehicle is also upgraded or it will crush at or before Max-Q
Absolutely amazing can’t believe I’m here to see all this will be telling my kids about you and your amazing effort to teach us about this felix your amazing the effort you put into your videos is outstanding. Everyday I can’t wait to watch a new video ❤
Maybe the holes around the top of the test article are going to be a way to fire small rockets or torches to heat the top of the tank, Making sure it can take the heat generated during hot staging. Also using an artificial pressure generator to test at determined pressures of the thrust while the heating to a pre-determined temperature test, A way of testing both limits without risking the loss of a booster or any raptor 2 engines.
Excellent Program resounding success on transmiting space news and rocketry and all of the accelerated progress.! Simply amazing. Cheers to you and your broadcastin skills.
Those aren't vents, the ring is for the can crusher lines to attach and pull down.
Agreed.
Figured that weird test tank at 41 seconds was a combined test of hot stage ring and modified starlink payload door. To The Can Crusher!
I don't think it has anything to do with staging. It is only meant to be used as anchoring for the cables used by the can crusher.
When they settle on a hot staging design, they will probably build the upper ring or two of a booster as a test article and set it on the sub-orbital stand with a Starship on top of it for some static fire tests. That should be a lot of fun to watch.
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Hi Felix, another good update. Thank you
13:00 - maybe a pressurized tank for some kind of external coolant? i mean if the ship thrusts directly from the lower stage.. this may heat up the top of the booster by some degrees..
About the Chinese Methalox launch: I'm not horribly impressed. With SpaceX's first generation raptors a conventional rocket design like that could have put a payload in orbit a couple of years ago. Starship is a system, not an engine. It would have been possible, as an example, to take one of the Falcon 9 boosters and refit it for two or three Raptors and made it easily to orbit. I'm actually a bit surprised they didn't build an ersatz second stage with a single vacuum Raptor just for testing purposes. If I understand it correctly, they didn't do that because it was a dead end project and a waste of resources.
_Edit: Also, two raptors provide too much thrust for a propulsive landing of a Falcon 9 booster. Even one is probably too much at minimum throttle. The Raptor is a beast._
Raptor is a beast... but according to what we've seen on the Starship launch... a beast with a failure rate of about 1 in 3.
As with Tesla, quality control isn't something that SpaceX has time for it seems.
12:07 looks like the pipes coming out are for the ropes to pull down on the can crusher
I am glad for China's success. It shows it can be done. This is a race where everyone wins just by being in it, because everyone is working hard for a goal beyond just beating someone else.
Well said! Agree 100%. Everyone who plays, wins.
Well done Landspace
I think future ship parring will depend on the next test flight.
Indeed. If B9/S25 is a success, then I’d be pushing for B10/Ship27, with Starlink satellites on board, and a B10 retrieval attempt. If B9/Ship25 is unsuccessful, especially if before orbit is reached, then Ship 26 would be the best option to test the system, again before launching any Starlink satellites on Starship.
Hello Félix
I can't wait another episode of your cover of SpaceX and space industry news.
I wonder if the steel plate must be soldered to the legs of orbital lunch pad. Is any chances to the must powerful flame torch to go into this gap if not soldered?
As for the test prototype with a lot of holes in the top I don't think is an exhaust for hot staging... what about hot staging, they need à lot of protection of booster and all of this will have a supplementary weight...is really good hot staging?
That new test article is a lunar lander prototype.
In my opinion by having a series of small openings it will give a piston like push against Super Heavy structure. Pushing against a solid body is more efficient than pushing against air. Hence, faster separation at lower energy levels.
I figured the ring with all the outlets was a prototype for the moon landing system exhaust to disperse the blast during landing.
I think these are waist engine attachment and they are going to test thrust forces
I doubt that. It likely is just using those "outlets" as holding points for the cables used by the can crusher. To test the structural strength of the payload bay's door.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 well, now that you mention it, they do look like the round attachment points for the loops of the crusher cables. We will see!
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You can’t release all the pressure through the valves or you don’t have an effective hot staging. Some pressure must be released to relieve stress, but releasing all the pressure would make the hot separation less effective.
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adding the extra thrust will not allow the starship to be the emergency escape system. Not feasible at all
The ring with outlets maybe a manifold ring for the HLS StarShip with its design mounting smaller engines further up the stack.
How many engines do we need?
Elon: yes. 😂😂
It is my most fervent wish that SpaceX never again be permitted to launch from Boca Chica.
It is an entirely and completely inappropriate launch site, and the FAA must be required to shut them down. Period.
The Cape is the place to launch rockets from safely, and without destroying native and endangered wildlife.
And when a Starship explodes on the pad at Boca Chica; it won't wipe out two entire nature reserves with a multi-kiloton yield.
That's definitely "when" and not "if". It's SpaceX: The masters of blowing stuff up unexpectedly.
Oh yes because Cape Canaveral is a total sterile wasteland with no wildlife /s
18:40 sorry for Blue Origin. But thank we have SpaceX. 1Milion each engine and every week that is mass production.
they retrofit B10 to hotstaging or they try the regular staging another time because it already Ready ??
Elon refers to the next flight
CNN high factuality.
Lol. That’s the best joke I’ve heard in a while.
The 'small' manifold? Small is very relative in this case!
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as for the ship with all the little piping holes, could it be a test for the moon lander version, to check how the control boosters on the top end can handle the structural pressures at launch from earth? in the renders of the lander this is about where they show the control boosters placed.
Is there a way to build the base with volcanic rock?
the little holes are for heat distribution with a dome on top of that ring that will be the hot staging shield with the "break away ring" on top that may not break away anymore like Russia did..
Hallo Felix, danke für die News und allerbeste Grüße aus old Germany.
ATP - Acceptance Test Procedure. It is a final factory test of an article prior to acceptance by the customer.
I always thought, the Vulcauns upper stage engine is produced by Rocketdyne... 🤔🤔
Good work for n this episode!!!
Could do with a rail track between production and launch sites to shuttle gear, starships and boosters back and forth.
The road is fine, and this is a nature reserve…
Perhaps the outlets around the circumference only need to handle the impulse of the separation initiation to keep the booster top from exploding. You want to contain as much pressure as possible so that the Starship is "shot out" of the booster.
Won't hot staging degrade reusable parts?
... perhaps a more thermally shielded replacement to handle the hot fire stage separation ...
Hats off to Landscape on their achievement! A big congratulations!!!
It is more important on who can sustainably/profitably launch CH4 rockets rather than who is first.