Misha Mansoor Songwriting Masterclass part 2 of 3
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this masterclass series Misha Mansoor gives an in-depth look at his writing process - from the initial inception of an idea to structuring and composing supporting instrumentation.
In this series Misha utilises the Invasion Drum library and Smash & Grab. Both available now at www.getgooddrums.com
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Love this format of instructional videos, hope you guys stick to it!
Between Mansoor, Rick Beato, and a few others I have learned a lot about recording and music in general. I hope they keep on going for as long as I'm alive.
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@@covid-mx9ng uhh, what?
Yesss Yesss Yess, This is awesome!
YESS. Honestly though misha, ever since discovering your music I always wanted to see you in your creative headspace and how you go about writing. I was so fascinated at how someone could create such complex and unique stuff so this is literally such a treat. Thanks for doing this bro!!
5:58 just watch misha freeze for a solid 20 seconds
made me unconsciously hold my breath the whole time lol
Doik same
"Misha.exe has stopped"
Please turn off your Misha and turn it back on after 30 seconds.
So refreshing to see this kind of content! Really love that it shows how basic ideas can become something much bigger. Also nice to hear the notes that don't work and sound bad. Makes me feel way better about sitting and trying out ideas until something clicks.
This whole video was just a ploy to sell more copies of Winchester Woodchester Piano, and god dammit it worked on me
and me hahah
Literally just finished watching part 1 and refreshed to see if part 2 was up and whattya know - up 10 mins ago. perfect timing guys hah!
Thanks for the great insight, Misha! Can't wait to see part 3!!
Very inspiring. Thank you Misha and the gang for doing this. And it’s FREE.
It's nice knowing I'm not the only one that writes this way when trying to come up with new ideas.
For me is that format very helpful. Not not only that it gives a look in the process of writing but also a way to keep up the attitute and motivation which is my main problem while I record right away without any notes and tabs.
So now we need to wait another week for the third part? ouch...
So, this whole writing exercise had me thinking of Deftones, then Misha stands up and there is a Deftones sweatshirt on his chair....hmmm
I'm not really learning anything new, but damn if this isn't fun to watch. Please do more videos like this; super fun way to spend an evening while my computer is sitting here rendering a bunch of files
I’m in school for music theory and production and this honestly helps me so much
"So let's see how that sounds." Fine, if you'll let me listen to what it looks like afterwards.
Stewart Lee?
@@PJBonoVox Haven't heard of him, no. But I'll check him out for sure. Sounds like he has a great sense of humour.
@@MichaelAE ruclips.net/video/Uj2LcKdRU0o/видео.html Watch from 4:14
Been loving this series so far! Learned a ton!
jesus...just cutting a note in there like no big deal..... I always struggle to get takes to overlap that well.
Absolutely love this series, thanks for sharing.
7:57 Distortion and delay, my child.
What version of cubase is this ? how is it so easy for you to load up GGD ? Is there any way to get a template to have everything laid out so clean like it is here ? So many questions !!!
I know where he got the ideas from, that Deftones shirt or sweat shirt on the chair, gave him inspiration \m/.....
I was thinking deftones the whole time ha!
the drumfill on 29:25 sound sooooo sick
Quite beautiful
Early on so far I feel some early Cloudkicker vibes in some ways.
Awesome. I watched you since your guitar tracking tutorials.
Fantastic! Please make a full course on music production in Cubase!!
Crazy how one dude sitting in a chair can come up with this monstrous sound
"That's kind of interesting"
I'd love more of these videos watching pros creating songs and demos
Quick question for dummies: why does his drums and guitar sound sounds already so clean and mixed and mastered? Does someone know if he used already effects on the tracks such as HF /LF EQ and stuff or is this just very good quality right of the box? Cuz I use GGD as well and it definitely sounds not that huge and compressed etc out of the box 🤔
He says it in the beginning of the previous video that it's a template he made. Drums are already processed.
He's started from a template that has his routing and some mixing done already
Ah thanks haven’t thought about the first video. Watched it weeks ago:) thanks for the reminder and help 👍
@@nexxys1 He has a video where he shows how he parallel compresses his drums to make them slam, also Nolly has some good videos about processing too
Well done guys, smart boys at GetGood Drums !!
I kinda zoned out for second and thought he started to play Alexisonfire- 44. caliber loveletter 7:30
This track could have been by The Amazing! Love it!
Amazing video. Waiting for the final part! As a recent cubase user (i always used pro tools) I’ve been learning a lot but watching this misha videos. I just have a small doubt, I don’t know if someone can help. I cannot seem to find the command for draging and copying something. ( @31:12 from the video) Tkx for the help and for the videos!
Can't wait for part 3!!!!
Anyone know what is the bass' signal chain? Thanks!
i think he went over it in part 1
What time signature is this in?
When you were looking to adjust the bass part for the first half at the beginning of the video, my first feeling was to go fingered for that part to get a softer and more static attack with muting, and then go bawls with the pick. Hence bust out some finger love!! ;)p
I was waiting for this, thanks for sharing.
Anyone got any idea what bass he's using?
Awesome. I like these kind of learning material. Just waiting for part 3. Do you have some patches for Boss GT 100, guitar normal tuning?
eddysel10 Misha doesn’t use boss modellers only axe fx!
eddysel10 idk if there’s a patch share site you can hook up to but people are really good at making tones just type in heavy periphery guitar tone
@@haydenlaupland2382 Ok thx
Where can i hear the full track ?
How are you panning those first 4 guitar tracks?
Show us your template settings !!!!!!!!!!!!
Great job man!!
The music theory part of me wants Misha to go down 3 steps from the key that the song is in to achieve the relative minor.
Can anyone help with Axe fx bass preset ? Thanks
Relative minor for the change.
15:10 This riff is Toxicity by SOAD, right?
Can someone clarify the time signature? Apparently I can't count anymore. Sounds like a 5/4 and 4/4 polyrhythm
5/4 to me
i see it as 5/8 tbh
Are you quad tracking these or just double? When you quad track, do you track each one individually?
When double or quad-tracking, you always record each track individually. Moreover, if you can record the dry signals and re-amp after, you have a ton of flexibility with how each take sits alongside eachother. Basic starting point is to take two tracks and hard-pan them, then the other two maybe 2/3 as much each way. I've done 5 tracks (leaving one dead-center or stereoized, but you have to play flawlessly and thin-out the EQ to make it all work.
@@snail415 perfect. That's how I've been doing it. I havent done the stereo track bit yet. I may try that for a bigger sound
Yassss
reminds me a bit of toxicity by system of a down
Anyone else just thinking WWMD? Granted you could eventually just build to these ideas, but it seems like the bass needs to move more to push the melody forward.
Drums seem like they got stale since the initial idea.
Damn. You started doing the bass move I heard.
Hi Misha!!!!! :)
That bass line is falling off the rails lol.
I wOndEr HoW MisHa gOt hIs GuiTaR toNes
Ferrari car boi
Dont compromise the quality of this motif by trying to build it on the spot. Stop. Take a breath. Mentally explore all options and how they could compliment. Move forward with a sure foot
I get serious Toxicity vibes from that intro
666th like
I'm hoping for djent and heaviness next episode
Misha, man, I pray to God you read this.
Go all the way bro, go slamming brutal death metal and death metal, it's 100% what's good now, and it's actually what we want to hear- if you don't go this direction then you will have to be a slower paced progressive metalcore band, like it or not you will end up being comfortable with this pay grade but ultimately the good stuff, the stuff we want to hear, isn't in this cockride of our parents generation of rock and I mean that it's only different in style of vocals, they used the same instruments and made them sound great live, like you, but your music is more refined, made to sound how you want it and it's perfect, timeless.
Spencer doesn't have to do abysmal lows, crazy highs, doesn't think it will work in any of the songs you guys write in this new genre, but you can expand and do death metal with topics around mental health, Spencer showed he's a beast on the mic in juggernaut that means he can really do some chilling stuff with the context of the horrors we are complicit in creating, such as when my brother had a mental breakdown and despite letting the police know of this they threw him in open population in the winter when the jails heat was out so they just left the doors open, leaving my brother scared due to his reality crashing down, cold, and in pain likely as he has worked fast food 45+ hour weeks for 6 years in a row and he was 22. This common mistreatment of mentally ill is worth writing about as uncountable losses are had even today in gang violence and the vast increase in not only killings by cops but homicides in the street in general. The death in this modern day environment is laughable and something we should bask in a higher culture during as the elite can only possess wealth while we possess culture and Periphery, Infantectomy, Angelmaker, etc.
Sounds kinda like Toxicity
Not at all the kind of music I usually produce, but damn if I'm not learning a ton and loving every minute of this. Thanks Misha, You're a legend!
"So hopefully this ends up being kind of listenable"
Meanwhile what he has so far is a track I'd throw money at. What a mastermind. I'm pondering starting recording some of the crappy snippets I come up with to see if I can develop them into full tracks and this series is incredibly insightful. Thank you Misha!
"I'm pondering starting recording some of the crappy snippets I come up with to see if I can develop them into full tracks"
Story of my musical life
Loving this songwriting masterclass, finally someone is concentrating on the most useful part. This song has some post rock vibes that really fits the mood.
P.s. if you're looking for something similar to this, check out We Deserve This - Pacific
that bass literally sounds amazing
Just got one last week (silver LE) and it is just unreal. So easy to play too.
so you're saying I should just.. buy a bass..
... as opposed to metaphorically?
@@wfe06 yep sure
@@iluvyunie not just any bass. A Dingwall bass
This is wonderful-He’s so calm! Coming from the commercial side of things, there was always a (crushing) terror that you would blow a looming deadline. Gnashing of teeth at 3am-and then something technical breaks-for no apparent reason. Studio still booked-8 passive aggressive ad execs still coming-ready to gleefully eviscerate whatever you have by 10am.
Still, I could feel the a bit of that old anxiety as he discovered the piece. Thrilling stuff. I miss those days.
so, ive figured out i need to be way more comfortable with my DAW to be able to flow how i want to. He makes it all so effortless.
In my head as i hear this riff over and over: 12345,12345,12345,12345
classic 5/4 groove
It is actually 12312
What a boss. This is a guy I could hang out with all day. Misha et al doing this for all of us makes me want to buy more GGD stuff.
That is the most satisfying click. No joke.
Dude, I'm absolutely loving this so far! Even at the end of the video, I found myself exclaiming, "It's already over!?!?" I can't wait for part three!
Great tutorial Misha. I thought you change drums pattern for intro and also start from clean guitar but i'm curious how gonna be looks finally when finish,thanks for great series,apreciate it,like n subs,keep rocking mate!
Hello. Great video series on your way of composing, really amazing! I have some technical questions about capturing your guitar and bass lines in cubase. The first is what type of card are you using, and if there is any type of preamplifier. , DI or any other device between the cable that comes out of your guitar and bass to the card both in the direct signal and in the processed signal of the AX.The next and last question that I would like to answer is how many Dbfs RMS you record the signal inside the Daw, that is, how many average input DBfs RMS does your Cubase mark on the input channel meter that you record through? (-20Dbfs ....- 18Dbfs .....- 14Dbfs ....- 12DBfs ...._ 10DBfs ................?) Thank you very much for all Misha !!.
It would be very cool if DAW makers set it up where you could take a low-res video of yourself playing a part as it records so you could go back and watch it to remember exactly how you played something a day or two later.
18:22 FTLOG just stay on the Bb!
Haha ikr
Why does he double track everything? Weird as soon as I started writing this comment he answered at 15:18!
damn, I wish I have all these as presets. everything sound so freakin perfectly sweet!!!! a tutorial that really makes you do what you are taught to do. this is a perfect workflow for LDR with the band mates hahaha. Thanks Misha! can't wait for part 3.
Viewers - 👀🤯🧐😮
Misha - "hmmm"
Words of a master: "click helps"
You're so efficient with your DAW.
Low in the middle and high at the end. I play drums but I hear it. Stay low for a couple of bars then go high.
Periphery 6 should be called Pure Riffery
I really can't figure out why it sounds so great when it's a barebone recording.
Is there some post processing involved or am I missing something?
I mean I record through ax8 and it doesn't sound too great out of the box so really curious on that
I don't want to speak for Misha but my idea as to why it sounds so good is he is using a template that he made for writing in cubase. I'm sure he has the drums pre programmed to sound a certain way with compression, reverb and post processing already done and maybe even some processing on guitars and bass already.
Takes some work to setup but once you do you can get things sounding pretty good out of the box. One thing I do is track with my limiter on so that way everything is as loud as it should be.
@@guitarfreak2105 Yea I was thinking about it since Misha said that it's a metal "preset" in Cubase.
Huge pain in the ass though since all patches have different levels or FX that boost the volume :\
sad that this song was not released!
I'm getting a real Doves vibe; I love it!
i keep hearing toxicity ahhahaha
I feel like I could lay down so many more ideas if I was writing with a solid sounding mix already. I spend too much time trying to achieve the sounds im hearing and not laying it all down. Its either my drums or guitar tone. It just doesn't feel good
Yea i struggle with that a lot, hes got his tried and true presets that hes developed for himself over the years which is helping his workflow tremendously, this video would already be 4+hrs long it were me lol and most of that would be tweaking tones
And it still wouldn't sound this good and he hasn't even really mixed it yet, its frustrating to know youve got a diamond in the rough but struggle to bring it to fruition
I got really tired of that after a while. Last year I spent a solid 2 weeks setting everything up to make a few template variations and that has worked wonders. All my presets are setup to where drums are really just minor tweaks. Bass has "clean low" and "dirty high" tracks ready to go. Rhythm guitars double tracked but there's 4 tracks so I can pan them to a specific pocket I like. Then I have ready to go 3 lead tracks and 3 cleans (a left, right, and center and just duplicate when I need more) Then I just have busses on top for drums, bass, rhythm, lead, clean. Master buss is fed by aforementioned busses and into main out. Presets are setup on busses (aside from individual pieces of drum kit) unless I go for something more specific with individual tracks. Just spend some time with your DAW and take some time on each piece of the puzzle to where you can make templates that come close to what you usually go for.
I kept hearing toxicity at the start.
thicc
Thos drums sound so fucking good
Toxicity 🤔 anyone..??
Kinda, but not really.
no
the thing i really want to know is his master bus strip
It is probably the same one that Nolly uses, which he talks about on the Periphery nail the mix.
Eric Weissenborn ff limiter and virtual tape machine ? Lol
Eric Weissenborn no pal Nolly is another level of modern sproducing :)
It's more than that. EQ, compression virtual tape machine and limiter
Eric Weissenborn just opened the session. FFL1 and Virtual Tape machines on the output.
Yup, there is vbc fg grey on instrumentals and virtual mix rack.
In Misha’s case I bet it all could be on the master bus:)
Miiiissshhhaaaaa!!!!!!!!! You guys should be releasing new songs or (singles) every week or month on your new band owned record label. The new album hail stan wasexcellent but it left me wanting more since it had been so long since p3. I know u guys have TONS of bulb demoes u could work with or stuff that hasnr even been heard yet. By the way i loved its only smiles and bonergarden a shit ton. I like the new album and i really wish u guys would put more of the softer songs like that on the next album u release i watched an interview with spencer a few weeks back and he said moving foreward u guys will be going more towards the darker sound like hhail stan was but even darker on the next album i really hope that doesnt mean that even more of the songs are going to be heavy than softer cuz ya the heavy and dark stuff u guys are good at but honestly there is to much of that in the genre and metal music as a whole pretty much all metal is heavy and dark and in my opinion it will just end up sounding like everyone elses music. The periphery i grew to love was spencers amazing clean vocals paired with more upbeat melodic music and guitar riffs just like its only smiles or garden in the bones (bonergarden) another style id love to hear more of on the next is sounding like lune or sattelites u guys are amazing tho and no matter what i will always be a super fan till the day i die. Heck im only one fan tho so i know u probly wont even read this and i wont get my wish but id like my input to be out there for a chance at least.
If I'm correct, you're recording the processed signal from Axe-Fx instead of DI. Is this something you just prefer or do you do that to help to conserve the processing power for other tracks?
misha is such a good teacher.first time i understand everything clear.and not like the other teacher where i watch 1-3 minutes and don`t know whats going on.thanks!
What program are you using? I know you have ggd listed.. but what is the recording software? I’m trying to get into recording at home and want to invest in something that will be worth it in the long run.
I can't wait for the Showbox date in Seattle! In really tough times, yall give me something to look forward to. Turn those tubes/ Axe Fx to 11 for me, please!
anyone else picked up that he's just made a prog version of toxicity by soad