There was definitely a language issue and something that probably his instructor should have addressed before he was qualified. However, the controller should have picked up on the communication issue when the pilot repeated such things as "ok, I can cross the active runway?" after the controller was just explaining what had been done. The controller should have stopped the historical explanations (some could argue "berating") and given simple, exact instructions on what to do now, as well as give him the number to call for further discussion later. I like the idea of then returning him to the hanger as I don't think someone with that low level of communication skill should be in the air, but either way, "education" should've been reserved for later and he should've simply been directed forward more concisely.
We’re getting more foreign students at our airport and their radio work and communication is absolutely horrid. Their English is broken and they obviously aren’t fluent in English (which I seem to remember is a requirement for training here…). You should be familiar with the layout of the airport you’re flying to and I keep a diagram in the cockpit for reference. These guys should have been told to taxi back to the ramp and call the tower about their multiple pilot deviations.
This is not running down to Publix for some Mentos and Diet Coke. This is aviating, flying. Airports are tightly controlled and those people up in that glass-walled room not only need to know to where pilots are going but will tell them how to get there so one pilot doesn’t run into anyone else. You may not know the controller up there or you may not like the controller up there but their job is the smooth, efficient, and safe operation of the traffic into and out of that field, whether the field is big (KATL) or small (KVRB). There is more than enough technology pilots can employ so they can know exactly where they are located. I’m not a pilot so I’m not as bright as some others but I know enough.
This poor controller had to put up with a Cirrus pilot last year? , who couldn’t copy an IFR clearance (took several read backs to get it right) and then taxis to the wrong runway
Far too many of these esl students doing stuff like this. Something bad is going to happen one day. And they never get a pilot deviation. I wonder why...
Maybe he doesn't understand "hold short"? Maybe he is unfamiliar with towered airports and thinks that he can just enter the runway whenever he thinks it is clear.
ESL or not, as a CFI, it would be my responsibility that i signed off a student to solo prematurely. Communication is key in aviation. Not following instructions could lead to a disaster. But also, as a controller, I would try a different approach after 2 failed attempts. If the student does not understand my instruction, it is a good idea to phrase it differently. Such as "hold short means you must stop before the runway, do you understand the instruction?" That would help ensure compliance and safety instead of just barking the same order over and over. ATC is a two-way system. We all are willing participants. The better job we all do, the safer we all will be. Keep the greasy side down!
If I was the controller I would have said go back to where you started and get out of the airplane, then have you and your instructor call this number.
Good Lord. 5AF should be thanking his higher power that a Pilot Deviation was not applied, especially since several could have been issued. smh.
im sure she passed it on to center or called them when in the air either way im sure he will be getting a call from the FAA
Legend has it, 5AF is still crossing runway one zero...
There was definitely a language issue and something that probably his instructor should have addressed before he was qualified. However, the controller should have picked up on the communication issue when the pilot repeated such things as "ok, I can cross the active runway?" after the controller was just explaining what had been done. The controller should have stopped the historical explanations (some could argue "berating") and given simple, exact instructions on what to do now, as well as give him the number to call for further discussion later. I like the idea of then returning him to the hanger as I don't think someone with that low level of communication skill should be in the air, but either way, "education" should've been reserved for later and he should've simply been directed forward more concisely.
Joe Pesci, working the tower! 😃
I'm not even a pilot and I'm shaking my head in disbelief. Follow directions!
We’re getting more foreign students at our airport and their radio work and communication is absolutely horrid. Their English is broken and they obviously aren’t fluent in English (which I seem to remember is a requirement for training here…). You should be familiar with the layout of the airport you’re flying to and I keep a diagram in the cockpit for reference. These guys should have been told to taxi back to the ramp and call the tower about their multiple pilot deviations.
I'm really surprised 5AF didnt get a PD or get told to go back to parking and shut down.
This is a very old video well published elsewhere. My local to.
Please don’t play the main comm right at the start, now I know what to expect!
That controller's voice is grating
5af is a danger to every other pilot and himself. How do he get a licence when he can't understand safety basics?
This lady was too nice not giving him a phone number after second time.
5AF should be deported. Not the airplane ---- just the "pilot" (term used loosely).
This is Norwood Memorial Airport in Massachusetts.
This is not running down to Publix for some Mentos and Diet Coke. This is aviating, flying. Airports are tightly controlled and those people up in that glass-walled room not only need to know to where pilots are going but will tell them how to get there so one pilot doesn’t run into anyone else. You may not know the controller up there or you may not like the controller up there but their job is the smooth, efficient, and safe operation of the traffic into and out of that field, whether the field is big (KATL) or small (KVRB). There is more than enough technology pilots can employ so they can know exactly where they are located. I’m not a pilot so I’m not as bright as some others but I know enough.
At what point do they get told to park their aircraft?
This poor controller had to put up with a Cirrus pilot last year? , who couldn’t copy an IFR clearance (took several read backs to get it right) and then taxis to the wrong runway
Far too many of these esl students doing stuff like this. Something bad is going to happen one day. And they never get a pilot deviation. I wonder why...
English as second language is probably a factor but not an excuse for such basic rule violations.
Ha, N445AF is owned by "PLANE NONSENSE INC".
No s#!t I had to look it up 🤣. Hilarious.
😂 I just looked that up! ROFLMAO!
the way their wings stick out over the taxiways, there's your problem
Im not sure but he sounds foreigner, he has some accent?
wow this controller is dumb lol, not listening at all.
Maybe he doesn't understand "hold short"? Maybe he is unfamiliar with towered airports and thinks that he can just enter the runway whenever he thinks it is clear.
if thats the case whoever trained him needs their ticket yanked
Airplane problems!
No bueno
ESL or not, as a CFI, it would be my responsibility that i signed off a student to solo prematurely. Communication is key in aviation. Not following instructions could lead to a disaster.
But also, as a controller, I would try a different approach after 2 failed attempts. If the student does not understand my instruction, it is a good idea to phrase it differently. Such as "hold short means you must stop before the runway, do you understand the instruction?" That would help ensure compliance and safety instead of just barking the same order over and over.
ATC is a two-way system. We all are willing participants. The better job we all do, the safer we all will be.
Keep the greasy side down!
If I was the controller I would have said go back to where you started and get out of the airplane, then have you and your instructor call this number.