Hungary, Slovakia call for EU action after Ukraine bans Russia’s Lukoil | DW News
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- Hungary and Slovakia are calling for the EU to mediate over Ukraine's Lukoil ban. Both countries, which are considered to have pro-Moscow ties, said they were no longer receiving oil from Russia as a result. The European Commision has three days to respond to the consultation initiated by the two countries. But as the temperatures rise in Europe this summer, so are the tensions.
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Orban: boycotts Ukraine
Ukraine: cuts oil to Hungary
Orban: 😯
Orban didn't so much boycott Ukraine as just completely try to throw them under the bus.
Orban never boycotted Ukraine. Just said he doesnt have excess money to waste in a war that is not his own. Ukraine is not an ally they are not even friendly. HU actually sends a lot of humanitarian aid to Ukraine and even supports ukraine to a limited degree by paying into the European Peace Facility which is the allocated space within the EU budget paid by member states for actions outside of EU territory.
Ukraine: cuts oil to Slovakia and Hungary.
also Ukraine: asking Slovakia, Hungary and Romania for electricity 😯
Europe: boycotts Russia
Russia: cuts gas to Europe
Ultraliberalist westerners: 😲
Ukrainian war has nothing to do with Hungary? Are they on a different continent?
It is their neighbouring countries. . .
If Russia wins the war, they will conquer Hungary.
Kinda crazy Ukraine didn't do this 2 years ago.
Exactly my thought
They expected support from the EU, particularly from those countries who got a "carve-out." Most EU nations have turned up champs. Obviously Hungary and Slovakia have not. No reason Kiiv should continue to play nice.
We tried to be nice and reasonable
There soon will be no more Ukraine
they get money for it still
I agree with Hungary; the EU does need to act. And ban Lukoil EU-wide.
It is for the last two years, the only exceptions were Germany (15% of its consumption), Belgium, The Netherlands and a forth I don't remember but this is all past history as everything was going through Germany and was shut-off last week or the week prior.
Ban the freaking Orc oil!
@@masan7452 America uses 25% of the worlds oil, with only 5% the population.
America is just a greedy little piggy.
The EU does not import nor oil nor natural gas from RUssia for quite sometime. There were only Germany (15% of its consumption) The Netherlands and Belgium that needed natural gas but this came to and end two weeks ago.
The EU has asked Orban to find another supplier (either Croatia or Albania) but Orban wants to spend EU money in Russia which is one of the myriad of reasons why the EU has blocked the 23 billion Euros it had promise to Hungary to rebuild its infrastructures such as telephony, railway system, including the equipment, electricity grid so it all had to comply with EU and international standards.
Orban wanted to buy everything from Russia which are sub-standard and there is no reason the EU will accept to buy from Russia while everything can be bought from EU countries. Orban wanted to buy a new nuclear plant from Russia, which is also sub-standard.
@@WillReims-s2s Oof. As a Dutchy myself, I can say that The Netherlands isn't like The Netherlands that we've come to reluctantly love.
Boo hoo.. Ukraine isn’t part of the EU. Orban can thank himself.. Fico too
You dont seem to understand how the laws regarding oil transportation work. The current legal proceudre gives the EU 3 days to resolve the issue with the ukranian authorities. Ukraine wishes the slovaks and hungarians to stop sending them refined diesel to fill their tanks and trucks it seems.
Ukraine will be never part of EU or NATO
@@csat1078 apply to the Russian court to object this
Slovakia and Hungary are part of the EU, but Ukraine is not. EU should protect its members... but then Nordstream was blown up and Germans are scared to even point out the perpetrator and the rest of the EU remains silent as well. And now Germany is lowering the flow of gas into my country, even though it has a pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia attitude.
Would be interesting to see the Hungarian retaliation by locking their border with Ukraine, further constricting their economy and trade in the middle of a war... Juicy stuff
Typical. On Monday Orban uses his veto to disrupt EU proceedings ( Accession of Finland & Sweden ). On Tuesday invites himself to Russia without the EU. On Wednesday once his gimmicks have caught up with him and his oil cut off, he cries to the EU to save him ! What an asset !
Accession of Finland and Sweden? The two have been EU members since 1995. Hungary itself only joined the EU in 2004, which meant that Finland and Sweden had to give _their_ say-so before Hungary could join. Both have been funding Orban's corruption spree, too.
@@peabase I was referring to NATO
@@duncanprice3088 Deciding over NATO membership is _not_ a EU proceeding. NATO members decide their stance individually. Hungary was a sad laggard in the Sweden's drawn-out NATO accession, but it didn't veto anything.
@@duncanprice3088 Then why did you not mention NATO or edit the comment to correct it?
So true 👍
But Ukraine isn’t part of the EU, actually, orbán is quite against letting them join…. So duck it Hungary 😂❤
@@orsitheawesome Ukraine is not in the EU 😅 exactly.
@@AnthonyCarroll-ue3uv and never will be :).
Ukraine is more part of the EU than Hungary
One could wonder whether Hungary stays in the EU, and if so, whether it will keep it's privileges.
@@innerlotuslightlol, how , when ukraine wont allow oil to flow through to hungary ?
Ukraine can receive oil from any number of the nations which are currently supporting them. Where will hungary get theirs 😂😂😂
When your "leader" chooses the wrong friends, and when you chose these "leaders" then there's not much to complain about. Kyiv brilliantly retaliates against these two adversaries. The EU should put them on a blacklist.
Orban want peace but Ukraine don't want peace.
Orbán does not want peace, it is just an excuse to get money and power. It is Russia that does not want peace, as it cannot afford to stop the war. I do not see Orbán giving up parts of Hungary to the Russians.
Why is ur warmaker leader are better? How much money do u get to typing here war supporting substitles??
@@kamillaerdos7636 What does that word salad mean?
@trident6547
It means roubles paid for his gibbish are not worth anything, cannot get him proper education to be a good Putin propagandist
ABOUT TIME.....
Ukraine should have done this a long time ago.
Plenty of time was given, to do the right thing.
Orban has had the same time as every other EU country to diversify their energy supply.... HE chose to support his russian oligarchy friends.
'reap what you sow'...
And Hungary should send all the cheap unkrain labour force to west Eu!
only issue is its against 1. the contracts ukraine signed. 2. its a violation of the EU-Ukraine Accession Agreement.
Hungary buys gas just to feed Putin's friends? I thought gas at a regular price is needed by the residents of Hungary so that they have affordable gas and electricity.
diversify? you mean buy the expensive american shale gas which comes by ships? i dont know if you are familiar with european geography, but Hungary does not have any sea ports. We did diversify it tho, built another valve that comes through Turkey so neither Ukraine or the CIA (for american monetary gain) could destroy it. Ukraine violated contracts with this, which is not a good idea, showing they are so thrustworthy if they want to join nato.
Ukraine asked Hungary and Slovakia to give electricity powers after that.
For you development you should to know about your oil and etc resources come from in real (even after sanctions)
Orban f'ed around and found out. 😂 He was really thinking he was something on his world tour. Unfortunately these atrocious leaders end up only hurting their own people in the end.
that's what happens when he allies with Putin.
@@NANA-rc8lo .. luckily other EU nations will gladly send electricity to Ukraine - no sweat..
@@jimbøb-i9q Good luck with that.
@@sim.ulationkoyo never allied to Putin.
@@TenylegMinekez-uc7co No problem at all..
Why has Lukoil not already on the world wide sanction list?
That is the real scandal.
"World is not West, West is not World", a difficult concept for a Westerner to understand.
Russia has no problem exporting to the rest of the world, like China and India, who refine the products and resell them to the West.
You can ban Lukoil in the West, but if its products still arrive through other channels...
The real scandal is believing that sanctions of this type can defeat a nation that is largely self-sufficient in raw materials.
You should move with your family to a random town in Russia to see just how self-sufficient they are@@trumpforever6706
World wide sanctions??? So the world means USA and her puppies???
@@trumpforever6706 bait used to be believable.
The same reason that the USA continues to buy all kinds of stuff from Russia.
Oh my God. I cannot stop laughing at this. Maybe Orban should have spent more time with Zalensky and NOT gone on to see Poo10 and all of the rest. Oh that's right, he had to go get PAID.
Lots of people are better payed than Orbán.
And laid...
Orban owes Zelensky nothing. Ukraine is not in NATO, not in the EU, orban is thinking about how to make the life of the people of Hungary stable.
@@Notrusbot So does Zelensky, isn't he? Should take care of his own country which means to ban russian sources of income from selling oil
Ukraine is under no obligation to let oil go through it's land knowing the money will be used to attack them Russia should of thought of this and those 2 European countrys had over 2 years to find someone else it's on them they haven't
It’s literally in a eu-ukraine agreement 😂
Its a clearly stated obligation on ukraine's part written in the Association Agreement theyve signed. You dont seem to know what you are talking about at all.
They get paid for it and agreement is with EU. Russia supplied Germans with gas even when they lost 20 mln people fighting them. Ukraine also took gas from Russia , not directly but through EU. Also Europe buys oil from Russia through India
@@csat1078 you know part about force major? You know, like weather disasters or war..
@@csat1078 You probably need to consider that time has passed and there is a desperate war for survival being fought. Agreements can, and probably will, change.
Wait, what?
Russia invaded their sovereign territory. I'm surprised they waited this long.
They supposed to get money for the transfer...
@@LumiIT they are getting money and they like it, and EUropean countries like Russian oil too much to say no, as does USA, who increased what tis buying from Russia.
@@HKim0072 As mentioned they get transfer fees from the oil pipeline. However, as you may have noticed, they have been targeting Russian oil refineries. I suspect this is a continuation of this strategy to cause a collapse in the price of Russian crude oil revenues with a massive amount of oversupply but no refinery availability for the crude.
@@OneShadow7 lol, the US ain't buying Russian oil in any significant quantities. The vast majority of US imported oil comes from Canada and Mexico.
The US are net exporters of oil now in total.
Export light sweet and import heavy and sour.
@@HKim0072 they increased the buying of oil and they sell it to the EU just like India 😂😂But US buys other things like Uranium, for their use. Other stuff too, I just don't care to remember what it is since it doesn't do me any good to know, and frankly I don't care much.
So Budapest n Bratislava depended on russian export for >two years of war and did nothing to reduce it? Totally their own fault.
What's more, they've made every effort to hurt Ukraine.
They wanted to keep sending money to Russia.
If you have enough brain cells to use a map, you might be able to figure out the reason... 😉
@@lahvancz you can make other arrangements or keep the same lines that run through war zones, caused by your supplier and get whatever makes it there.
They are landlocked, you’re not very bright are you.
Trumps good friend Orban had a few years to prepare and did nothing tough luck
Exactly
Now, you think it's ok. Ukraine needs help, and as tax payong Americans are just so tired of shipping money overseas. Ban oil and the block money for Ukraine. Never ending cycle.
@@lsad2616you need more English classes comrade
@@lsad2616 You actually don't understand the interest of the US in Ukraine. No problem. Just look up info, kid.
@@Pekka.Pekka.1296they just want the $12 trillion in rare earth minerals that are in eastern Ukraine I mean Russia now 😂
What did Orban expect! He's always against everything that would help Ukraine. I don't think Slovakia supports Ukraine either. 😡
He's nothing more then a Putin flunky.
He expected Ukraine to be responsible since Hungary provide nearly half of Ukraine's electricity. What would happen if Hungary cut off the electricity tomorrow? What would zelensky be saying to the EU? What would people like you be saying about Orban? Just like the clowns in Ukraine, you don't think at all.
Nothing can help Ukrain, no amount of money can help. They are doomed!!.
@@mabrenz_n5391😂😂😂
What were these clowns expecting? Their land getting bombed is alright, but blocking exports through their land WHILE getting bombed by the exporter isn't? Hypocrisy at its finest.
Hungary 🇭🇺 president is a hypocrite
Listen to you....
Wow. Hungary expects the EU to help them? Yeah thats going to happen. Not.
I fail to see them getting the necessary votes in the council
Hungary gives close to 50% of Ukraine’s power. Guess what will happen to Ukraine if they fvck around. They will find out ;)
Orban just pissed off the other EU members by the unauthorized diplomatic visit to Russia that appeared to be as leader of the EU even though Orban denies it. The EU isn’t in the mood to help Orban with anything right now.
@@stupidburp wonder if Ukraine decided to do this now, knowing that everyone is pissed at orban
As a Slovak, I can tell you about the local context - the exceptions for import of Russian oil were made because we dont have infrastructure (pipelines, LNG terminals) to import oil from the west. Its not a case of stubbornly wanting Russian oil. Furthermore, our refineries are designed to use Russian crude. So that is why the EU made an exception for Slovakia, and the exception was to be in force until the end of 2024, by which point it should be able to get oil from the west. However, right now Ukraine unilaterally stopped the pipeline, half a year before it would perhaps be allowed to do so. Cases such as Bulgaria are not comparable since Bulgaria is not landlocked, and therefore ad hoc measures for importing oil are not as difficult.
wtf br u know how many eu countries get russian oil n gas?
This is hilarious! I bet Orban is raging now about how his so-called "peace journey" backfired! 🤣👍
Don't worry as soon as the election is over US will tell Zelensky to negotiate.
Let's see how raging Zelensky will be when Orban turns off Ukraine's electricity. Hungary and Slovakia supply Ukraine with about 60% of its electricity.
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich There is always Poland and Romenia ;)
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich one ukrainian nuclear plant produce more electricity then those coutries. And they have plenty of them. Supplies from Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia are needed when russia destroys supply chains and cuts western Ukraine off. It is not that much electricity in reality. And when the situation is stable, it is vise versa. Ukraine is selling it's electricity to those coutries.
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich Dream on kremlin bot
Maybe if Hungary and Slovakia treated Ukraine as a country that has a right to exist instead of throwing it under the bus? Let's play the world's smallest violin 🎻 for poor Orban.
how fast people forget that slovakia was first to transfer airdefence to ukraine...
@@hellmetpho This is how msm pro.p.agenda works...
And jets :) @@hellmetpho
@@hellmetpho
Fico is Putin agent 💴🤫🤫
To you people their sin is existing as sovereign countries rather than your colonies.
The question is ...
What are Hungary and Slovakia doing in EU and Nato ?
They always try to block everything
If they don't want to assume the consequences of their policy it's not EU problem !
They doing all they must for the their people not the Ukrainians. Their policy is find way for negotiation not to supply weapons to Ukraine for infinite war.
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich
If they are not in phase with EU policy, they can go
What Orban is trying is nothing else rewarding Putin for his attack.
This war could be over from a long time if we gave from the beginning all needed weapons.
Not first aid kits and helmets like Germany at the beginning.
Your politician, like, many others, are not consequent, at all !
So NATO member can no longer have its own interests in mind? What kind of bs is that?
The question is what Ukraine doing in EU and Nato , they are not even a member? The EU have done their share ...for Ukraine , the EU sanction hurt badly the people of Europe. But what is the share of Ukraine until this time? Their President doesn't even want to compromise ....
Ukraine it's OK to exercise your rights but be mindful that other Countries have also rights...
@@vladseva2327Interest of bending to a bully?
Orban has a documented track record of pleasing Putin and the Kremlin. His recent sleazy (pretending to be a diplomat) trip to Kiev then Moscow and then to Xi in China backfired on him. Orban and his people can decide how much of Hungary they want to give to Putin and the next step is to kick him and his citizens out of the EU.Hungary must be craving the nostalgia of the brutal tyrannical rule of Russia in 1956, yes?
@user-yg5hl7gr7j Ukrainians and Hungarians can fly to China as much as they want - as long as Putin is the "president" of Russia, the war will not end. Putin is playing for everything, he doesn't want any compromise... and if he really wanted peace, he would have to give something up - instead of just demanding concessions from Ukraine.
Don't forget about his trip to Mar-a-lago as part of the grand tour. You can tell a lot about the character of man by the company he keeps.
Orban has been tossing Putin's salad ever since he came to power
Orban is against everyting, so how can hi even imagine that EU will help him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Irony is a beautiful thing!
Hungary supplies Ukraine with gasoline and electricity. That will change as well. Stupidity backfires.
@@dmtk10-xm6tq lol, very small contributors in contrast to the rest of the EU...
@@khp8 42% is not a very small amount.
If you were better informed you’d know that this is effecting several other european countries too,
not just one.
@@stogies3
Only pro Orcssia ones. Others had brains to diversify over the 3 years of conflict:/
That's ridiculous. "We demand you let your mortal enemy use your pipelines to fund their war of aggression against you!"
And the worst thing is: Ukraine actually fulfilled their contract with Russia to give Eu countries time to wane themselves off of Russian oil and gas. They paid with the blood of their citizens for that. How many Ukraine lives were lost to bombs Russia build with that money ? We will never know. The absolute gall of Orban to not use that time and instead block the EU help to Ukraine all the time by acting like a like a Trojan horse for Putin. He knew for two years that Ukraine wouldn't renew that contract. He did nothing. Acted hostile towards Ukraine, Nato and EU and now runs to the EU to complain about it. How pathetic is that. The only thing he will get from EU is a raised middle finger.
Yep... this is part of Hungary's set of laws, interesting isn't it ?
You are ridiculous. That pipeline was built in 1972. And there isn't another, can't you understand that?
We had communism here for 45 years while you were enjoying everything good. You even enjoyed the 1956 revolution from your armchair.
@@Mesembryanthemum1552 First politeness is always welcome in any discussion, otherwise it shows that you are trying to dictate you opinion. Though the pipeline was built during the USSR era, Hungary had since 2022 to search for other suppliers, now Ukraine has decided it for Orban.
Orban is getting a little taste of his own medicine 😂😂
perfect! Hungary and Bratislava thought that business will go on as usual? they had time to figure things out and they did not as to not upset their sick criminal friend Putin. so let them figure out alternatives. Maybe China can send some oil by mail. lol
Or India. Too bad that both buy Russian oil, so Russia would not be damaged, it always finds buyers. The damaged ones instead would be: (1) Hungary and Slovakia, because they would pay the intermediary commission to India or China; (2) Ukraine, which no longer collects the transit fee paid by Russia.
@@trumpforever6706
LOL, selling your product for 50%+ discount is not a win, orc.
Germany lost cheep RUssian resources and is in crisis. GErmany is pushed to war by USA
BS. The Hungarian oil company Mol owns management rights over the Croatian oil company INA and supplies oil through a pipeline from the island of Krk in the Adriatic Sea.
Oil is not the problem, but these are political games that are also connected with the transportation of Iranian oil through the Red Sea, where the Houthis have some control over the passage of oil tankers.
@@markojuric4954The oil pipeline (janaf) is 100% Croatian. They need to pay for transit. They don't like that.
LOL - Sorry Orban - you didn;t think your actions through very well
Let's see how raging Zelensky will be when Orban turns off Ukraine's electricity. Hungary and Slovakia supply Ukraine with about 60% of its electricity.
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich Ukraine can import more from their allies - Poland, Romania and Moldova, unlike Hungary which has allies far away in Moscow and Beijing
@@nqee Can and already imports. But how much can Poland, Romania and Moldova supply? I'm just reading about the energy sector of these countries:
Poland - 91% of electricity is produced by coal-fired power plants. Poland buys 80% of coal from Russia even now during the war. The remaining 9% are gas-fired power plants, Poland refused Russian gas, only now it buys American gas at a price 1.5 times more expensive.
Moldova - what kind of supplies are we talking about if they bought electricity from Ukraine. And you want them to give it away on the contrary.
Romania is already supplying as much as it can. 3 days ago, a power unit failed at the Romanian nuclear power plant. The expansion of the power grid is planned no earlier than 2027.
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich I'm Polish myself, so let me correct you.
Poland has a lot of coal reserves and our own production covers ~80% of total demand. This imported ~20% comes currently mostly from South America, Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Australia and others. Coal import to Poland from Russia was banned back in 2022, moment after start of war.
We are not trying to benefit from sanctions and buy cheaper Russian resources like Hungary does.
@@nqeethere is no benefit, this is the regular price. But there is gas that is 3 times more expensive, which is produced by the United States and it forces you to pay this price under the sauce “so as not to sponsor the aggressor.” At the same time, the United States also continues to buy Russian resources, and Europe prohibits😂
After months of abuse, Ukraine drops the Mike! 😂
I hope Putin will drop something else.After zelinsky finiished.
@@karolyficzko-ou5ic sabre rattling 😝
@@hellmetpho nobody cares. Sweden is giving it through the new European power grid. Then when Ukraine is liberated, it will sell it to Europe. Praise Ukraine O Glorious Jesus and save it from the Muscovite Rus. Amen
@karolyficzko-ou5ic
Putin just dropped a bone, go catch it doggo!
@@karolyficzko-ou5ic go and drop something in toilet
Oops, What was Budapest and Bratislava expecting?
@@univeropa3363Hungary isnt feeding them. They are blocking them.
@@univeropa3363, which hand? Hungary has opted out of all the help to Ukraine by NATO or EU.
@@univeropa3363 They arent.Hungary has made absolutely clear that not only they won't pay anything for ukraine,they will try so that others dont support Ukraine either. And after the whole "peace initiative", Hungary pissed a loooooooooooot of people.
@@univeropa3363 you mean the hand thats not only empty but regularly flips them off?
@@univeropa3363it is the opposite. Hungary is a tiny nobody that is blocking aid to Ukraine, and doing the bidding of Putin. Hungary produces nothing of value and receives billions in aid from countries like mine. They should just join Russian kingdom if they want to be under their rule.
Ukraine keep it closed they should of found other sources
We will see this winter, whom Ukraine will be running to get help from. Those living in glass houses should not throw stones.
what you barking about
Probably new source lol
Russia --> Turkey --> Hungary, Slovakia
and more expensive.
@@avetsuper6272 Electricity, apparently Hungary sells 45% of all electricity that Ukraine is buying. There is also electricity from Slovakia and gasoline from both Hungary and Slovakia that are in question. Broken contracts by Ukraine are another thing.
@@valentintapata2268 they do what usa order them to do anyway
BYD is building a car factory in Hungary .I hope Orban did not entice them by telling them they had access to cheap energy
Bulgaria had no options, Lukoil just cut off the gas, I bet Slovakia and Hungary can figure something out.
They are blocking help to Ukraine. It is tit for tat. They brought this on themselves.
Any search for alternatives means higher costs. That wouldn't sit well with folks who believe their leaders' promises about a better life, etc. etc. As supporters of Putin, they want to keep directing money to Russia. Since Ukraine isn't part of the EU, and membership is opposed by Orban, there really isn't any leverage. Far from supporting the country that's allowing their oil supplies to continue, Hungry and Slovakia have been Kiev-bashing. Let the men who have led their nations to that point deal now with the results!
Nope Ukraine doesnt even import that much @@Moabi4
@@whatgoesaroundcomesaround920 Hungry and Slovakia have been Kiev-bashing? Can you provide some of the bashing statement comming out of Hungry and Slovakia to us? Thank you.
Of course Bulgaria has no options - West didn't let them any. After making them declining the Russian pipe, all can they do now is fart harder.
If I was the EU, I'd ask Hungary and Slovakia to do a few things before trying to talk with Ukraine, like, I don't know... follow EU laws? I wouldn't help them one bit.
When did Hungary and Slovakia break EU law?
@@PantaloonTVwhen they claimed Thier meeting with Putin was endorsed by the EU they lied the EU is pissed
@@PantaloonTV hungary against gays hungary going alone to russia and china. hungary as only one blocking everything regarding the EU and Nato. hungary breaking asylum rules. hungary breaking eu laws with souverenity law. hungary misusing eu funds. hungary paying in rubles for russian oil and gas breaking another EU law. hungary child protection against gays law breaks EU laws. and this is just a small part of many violations from hungary. + hungary became a danger to the EU and Nato. hungary doesn't share EU values. so hungary breaks them all the time
@@PantaloonTV Constantly, that's when, just educate yourself instead of asking such dumb questions.
@@vinzent1992 constantly? give one example that isn't "I dislike Orban, therefore Hungary bad"
Why don't I feel sorry for Orban & co? Oh wait...
It's very strange, I wonder why you don't either, think we should figure it out....better help?
Because you’re full of hate
@@mihangelap-williams9871 Hungary and Slovakia supply about 60% of Ukrainian electricity. Wait until Ukraine stands without electricity.
I find it hilarious 😆
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich you mean like Russia Bo mbing the electric supply currently. It's ok Ukraine has been stocking up on generators lol
Tell Hungary and Slovakia to replace his oil dependence , it’s not coming back
Weirdly, Orban did not think about switching off from the oil of the russian regime, while everyone did it years ago. Hungarians have their leader to blame for the potential crisis
Who did switch from russian oil? Everyone is buying it, just trough different ways
The Russian contracts are going to run out at the end of the year anyhow and Ukraine is not going to renew them. In fact Ukraine is doing them a favour because those two countries need to get their act together before the end of the year if the do not want to come to a complete standstill and a very cold winter. They could as well just not do anything and just let the contracts end at the end of they year without them having the chance to look for alternatives. This should be a wake-up call to them both.
As a Hungarian.. You don't know how wrong you are 😂 Its not Ukraine or Syberia. Last winter forgot to bring the cold and snow. Just like the last 3. Good luck without electricity tho
@@patriktoth6258 We have no lack in electricity at all. We even export it. But after 3 soft winters the chance for a strong winter only grows..... And Orbán hasn't done anything about that.
@@telebubba5527Probabilities does not work that way.
Hungary needs to get rid of Orban or get out of EU & NATO
Why?
@@TenylegMinekez-uc7co
Because Orban is V column of Russnazia in Eu 🎭🪆💴
Run straight to the eu to ask for help. It’s just that the word “dignity” doesn’t translate very well into Hungarian.
It is more true for the EU.
so a member cannot ask the union for help against an unjust action taken by a non-member?!! I guess membership in the EU means nothing for you
@@ibrahimtouman2279 They had 2 years to switch, Germany stopped in less than a year and the oil and gas imports were SEVERAL times higher than either of these countries. They wanted to be pro-Russian and do business as usual ignoring Ukraine, reap what you sow
@@ibrahimtouman2279 Oh yeah, a member can, but this member was on the verge of having his voting rights removed for constantly violating EU laws, so good luck with that! I bet Kyiv didn't do this unilaterally.
@@maximusasauluk7359 Have you seen a map? Germany has a coastline, Hungary and Slovakia don't.
Orban the biggest clown 🤡
He is one of few european policians who has balls to talk about his countries interests. So the clowns not Orban but rest of other european politicians who forgot about their countries interests and bacame slaves of USA.
@@gfan83 Orban is the slave of Russia, it’s worse!
@@gfan83 Yeah, we have plenty ua’s in my country, they don’t know how to behave with respect. Furthermore EU is weak, we live in some twisted reality where we defend those who hurt us instead of our citizens. When you say anything aganist ukraine you are offended, for me personnally they are the same occupants as russians. Do you think that in majority they try to learn our language? That they want to work? Not at all.
Quite the opposite. Not like the puppet show. Dont talk about things you dont have any clue
Nope, he is ranked 2nd. Biggest clown belongs to Putin the king of clowns🤡🤡🤡
This ban must stand.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for Victor Orban. I'm sure there must be many in Hungary who have not forgotten being under the boot of Russia, yet Victor Oban is constantly sucking up to Putin. I'm surprised that Ukraine did not do this earlier.
Orban: I demand action from EU!
EU: thank you Ukraine! 🙌
Hungary and Slovakia kicked OUT of NATO and EU
Please, cant wait to get out of this Soviet Union 2.0. All the best to the UK for showing us the way forward !
@@skodateam
Enjoy you Novniciok tea ☠️
As a Slovak citizen, I fully agree with Kyiv's decision and condemn our current mafia government.
✊🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👍🏻
I’m confident you are not the only one who feels that way in both Slovakia and Hungary.
@@Aussie-MochaNo, he is not alone who think like that.
when you receive your electricity check x5, know that it’s your choice
@@Notrusbot
True …. Ish
But it’s actually the government’s policy makers and strategic advisors fault.
But mafia will be ok, not you ;)
Ukraine is at war and is not a member of the EU, even though it has tried to get in. You want Ukraine to follow EU rules, then let them in your little club.
Ukraine would have ceased to exist if not for EU and US arms. They are in no position to make demands.
No thanks, we don’t want a country in war to join. Not our war, greetings from the Netherlands
@@user-ug6xh5eo9r
It will be your war too if Ukraine falls and Russia with Belarus decide they want to grab all of Europe
@@josephshields2922ukraine woild be in peace if it wasnt for US and EU
@@nenadmitrovic3469 Sorry, if wasn't for Putin, Ukraine would already be part of the EU
I'm pretty sure that this is a direct reaction to Orban's ridiculous 'peace initiative'.
I hope the EU won't lift a finger until Hungary has passed on its EU presidency.
Not a chance that EU will do anything to help Orban unless it is to help him find the door out.
What,....I thought the EU sanctioned and stopped all Russia oil/gas imports.
Several countries did. Germany for instance cut them completely, despite being very reliant on Russian gas and oil before. Unfortunately some other countries did not, like Hungary and Slovakia, whose current governments are very pro Putin. Spain greece and also france to some extend are still getting some amount of liquid natural gas that comes from Russia as well. Indeed I think the amount they got even increased a little this year. And yes, as a German I do feel somewhat betrayed here, and believe, what these countries are doing in this regard is utterly irresponsible and should be called out a lot more
I guess as a take away for anyone not from Europe: In the end we are still a bunch of nation states that do their own thing most of the time. Some, like Britain, Poland, the Baltics, the Nordic counties and even Germany, are trying pretty hard to help out Ukraine, while others are basically giving more money to Putins war machine through Russian gas imports, than they are giving money to Ukraine. So yes, you can critic Europe. But I would make the small request, to differentiate a little, and to call out the specific states, that actually deserve it.
the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Hungary were supposed to substitute it and find different sources. Orban as always thought he was special and did nothing.
The EU is an agreement between European nations... The EU on its own does very little. After all, members of the EU are sovereign nations... The British didn't get that memo before Brexit.
@@lostinTime42 You are talking BS if all the EU countries stop buying Russian oil it will be a big gap and oil will shoot up to 150 or 200 which no one can afford, they are buying Russian oil from India, and Russia can't produce enough for everyone, China uses 20 million barrels a day the US also uses 20 million a day, between them is 40 million the US produce 14 million a day so they need to buy the rest, the Saudis produce 12 million and sells 9 million or less, the whole world produces 100 million per day about half used by China and the US and the other half by everyone else, Imagine what would happen when India uses 20 million per day,
Isn't this the reason Iran's oil is still going around?
Russia's grain, fertiliser and enriched uranium are not under sanctions no wonder why.
Simple hint to Orban: Play silly games, win silly prices.
DW failed to mention that Ukraine imports 40% of its energy from Hungary and also buys back refined oil. Additionally, Hungarian oil refineries are specifically set up to process Russian Urals crude oil. Unlike Germany, Hungary is a landlocked country, which significantly affects its energy logistics and dependencies.
There is also another oil pipeline through Croatia. It is closer than Russian, only the oil is not Russian. That's the problem.
They had years to set up new energy networks but Orban spent money on handouts using deficit spending to buy votes instead.
60%
@@jati3149Indeed. It would mean skyrocketing prices for both countries.
hahaha whos laughing now
Hungary and Slovakia supply about 60% of Ukraine electricity import. Hungary and Slovakia without oil, than Ukraine without electricity and army. There are already protests in Ukraine because of electricity deficit.
What matters who will cry at the end...
This is what you get for supporting Russia...
what you get for support usa ....you getting bills to pay donations from own pocket
@@avetsuper6272Has English.EXE stopped working in Russia?
Brilliant move Ukraine! Fair is fair, right Orban?
The main electricity supplier (40%) and diesel oil (25%) of Ukraine is Hungary. Fair I fair isn't it? And because the pipeline owner is Russia so it is a simple piracy.
Seriously... it's war. Trade routes are always one of the first targets in a war. It's surprising that Ukraine didn't stop Russian oil exports through its territory already at the beginning of the conflict. Hungary and Slovakia had enough time to find alternative sources. I doubt that the EU has any interest in mediating this, Brussels will probably tell Hungary to find somewhere else to get its energy like the rest of the EU did.
Except. Slovakia&Hungary could easily attack Ukraine. Its war,but both of these targeted and the contract which didn't expired is still active
@@patriktoth6258 What an idiotic suggestion. Little Hungary and tiny Slovakia are glad that Ukraine doesn't invade them. Ukraine has a contract with genocidal Russia not with Slovakia or Hungary.
What do you think how long the reconfiguration of a refinery takes? And not a western centralized one but a cold ware era decentralized one.
And how should they deliver the oil? By plane?
@@Dargor110 The rest of Europe managed to find new energy suppliers within weeks. I'm sure Hungary and Slovakia can do that too.
BTW, these two countries have highly modern refineries. Not the old Soviet ones from the cold war. They were torn down 20 years ago.
The oil from Kazakhstan is actually from Russia.
Ukraine has been incredibly patient while Orban acts like a child. Orban overplayed his hand, I can't even think why... does he think he's part of an empire again?
every hungarian thinks that :D since school, wet dream of forgotten times of theyre country
The West is reminded Orban that he is part of an empire
That’s ok. The EU should just drag their feet and the eu members should just do what’s in their own national interest, kinda like what Hungary has been doing the past 2 years
Orban follows only his personal interest, not the national one
@@rickstevenson9585 👍👍👍
Kiev is absolutly right to block the oil that finances the war
What goes up must come down
What goes around comes around Orban
Exactly! 😂
You mean both countries should cut electricity export to Ukraine? I agree.
@@TenylegMinekez-uc7co Neither supply electricity to Ukraine. In fact, they don't do jack sh--- for Ukraine.
@@Thor.JorgensenHungary refines crude resourced and sells them to Ukraine. Ohh Ukraine's biggest power plant is under Russian control. 60% of their electricity comes from Hungary&Slovakia.
@patriktoth6258
Things can change, easily😚 Now go cry to daddy Putin😭
These two countries are shameless. Ukraine people are dying and have very rights to cut out their enemy 's income sources.
By cutting main energy sources of 2 EU member states, hmm. While other member states also buy russian gas/oil from India for example. Double standards, as always. If smaller countries are not following the narrative, but have souverenity, own policy, they should be punished. I wonder who got the idea to do this move. Definitely not coming from a ukrainian mind.
It is a political move, it will not help Ukraine in anything. But both countries could cut support for Ukraine. I hope they will do. Completely. With veto on everything helps Ukraine.
Ukraine has recieved trillions of dollars at this point. Nobody knows what happens with that money. The whole Ukraine war is about money laundry. Dont tell me Ukraine cares so much about Dombas Luhansk, etc... Look at videos of those places before. There was nothing just undeveloped lands with a few (relative to population of Ukraine) russian speaking villagers living there.
Bulgaria made deal with Greece to help with gas linked with Greeck gas network and Greece expanded above what Greece and Bulgaria will needed. Greece has your back Bulgaria.
And Greece buys oil from Azerbaijan hahahahaha
@pezos5 Sure Russia and Azerbaijan is the same level of threat NOT
I'm from hungary and tbh I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet. however, I am quite afraid of what exactly will happen in this country now, because I am sure the common people (like me) will feel the negative impact of this the most.
Orbán's policy will hopefully collapse after that, that's the only thing that keeps me hopeful...
It's a joke that we live in the middle of Europe and instead of cooperating with the EU and NATO, our government cooperates with China and Russia, it was kind of predictable that sooner or later the EU will get tired of the continuous violations while we live on their money .
Maybe Orban should have considered the fact that some of the Russian oil they like so much flows through Ukraine.
Orcban had 3+ years to diversify and prepare. He's too corrupt and needs to go.
Lol. Orban can go get oil from Venezuela 😅
With what? Hungary doesn't even have a boat.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not Hungary's war. What Ukr is doing is illegal. Hun should veto EU accession
Hungary and Slovakia had enough of time to find alternatives. Also Orban's audacity is unbelievable. Wow now Orban needs EU help?
As a Bulgarian I can tell you for sure Bulgaria don't have import of gas or peteol from Kazakhstan. This expert is misleading the audience. We purchase it from Turkye, so it's 100% pure russian gas, just invoiced by Turkye
He is merely citing the information put out by your own nation. But you want me to believe you are not getting gas from Kasakhstan?
I know this guy is utterly wrong.
@@ronnie5329 except Turkye, we import also from Azerbaijan. There is no infrastructure to import gas from Kazakhstan as you can simply check by yourself.
Yeah, I'm Russian. It's not important what western media says to people in the west about banning of Russian oil because we have oil and gas tankers from the EU and the USA in our port cities non-stop. They only changed flags on their ships to flags of neutral countries. Business is business, companies don't want to lose money. That's how capitalism works.
Most of the gas comes from Azerbaijan through Georgia and Turkye.
this expert is a joke. other eu countries are buying russian oil as well but not directly from russia. Bulgaria is a great example.
Support Hungary and Slovakia from Serbia 🇷🇸🇸🇰🇭🇺
How do you support them? With RUclips comments?
Hungry is not forced to be in the EU.If they are not happy they should leave!
And someone sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline too.
Well that's war, you're either with us or against us.
The West is not war with Russia, Dubya.
This is devastating for us here in Hungary, but it was to be expected. Importing goods in through a war zone is never a stable affair. The country that is under siege can always confiscate or block foreign assets claiming they're fighting for their lives. Orbán has a plan for this. He always does. But I can tell the heating will be more expensive this winter. This is why we want peace in the neighborhood. Not everyone in the EU benefits from this skirmish.
Should i be sorry for you or what?
You want peace? Ukrainians also want peace since 2014
Well, winter will be cold in Ukraine. Eye for eye.
@@Blanka1100 No. I don't need your pity.
@@TenylegMinekez-uc7co Eye for an eye?! We didn't attack Ukraine. They shouldn't treat us as their enemies. They got their hands full fighting one enemy already.
Orban has clearly read "The art of the deal" 😀
Orban is a bad artist and a bad actor.
I’m surprised Ukraine didn’t do this sooner, great for you, Ukraine 🇺🇦 is there well within the rights to do this?
So sad to see so much hate for Slovakia in the comments. I hope all the hateful commenters donated things to Ukraine as our people here did. Slovakia took refuges, gave medical equipment, munition, artillery systems, BMPs, our only air defense system and planes. This feels like a stab in the back from Ukraine.... Also we are supplying Electricity to them now....
Time for Article 7 of EU to kick out Hungary
Not possible.
Article 7 says you can kick out if a country don't follow Article 2. Article 2 is freedom, democracy, rights of people.
So why must Hungary be kick out? Or modern democracy is banning of opposite opinion? Even if it's not pro-russian, it's pro-peace.
Pro-russian is "Ukraine must give up" or "Russia is right", pro-peace is hearing all side and find a way for negotiations with compromise to stop conflict, not just froze it.
@@7DaysChanel_VandenReich Well, this EU is not anymore the EU once it was. It became a US vassal, also forgot its European roots and values...
@@TenylegMinekez-uc7co if so, then why would the UK, one of the closest allies of the US, pull out of the EU?
Russian oil used to go through India and then to the west, I'm not sure if that's the case anymore, but the sanctions isn't all that seems to be claimed.
Other countries changed early on where they got their oil from, but these pro Russian countries didn't and they help fund the war, I hope the oil stays shut off.
Its kind of how the sanctions are supposed to work. Russia sells the crude to India (or Turkey, China etc.) for no more than the price cap i.e. at the least tolerable profit possible according to the sanctions-determined price cap. Some inevitably gets sold at higher prices via sanctions evasion and shadow fleets, but the price cap is $60 per barrel, and average urals price was about $64 in 2023, so it is constraining the price to some extent. For comparison, Brent crude is about $83 at the moment vs $60 price cap on Russia's urals crude.
India (or Turkey etc) imports the urals crude roughly at the price cap, and refines and sells it on... perhaps even to an EU country. Sanctions do not apply to refined products derived from Russian urals, except in the case of a few EU countries still allowed to import Russian crude via pipeline (like Hungary was above... LOL). So it makes little sense to be shocked that an EU country is using fuel refined by India from Russian Urals. The sanctions seek to limit profit on ural crude sales for Russia, but not limit the worldwide supply of crude or refined products in general by eliminating anything from Russia.
Most of the profit is in the value added during refining i.e. refined products have the real markup. For example, aviation kerosene is about $100 per barrel at the moment. So if Russia can extract, process and ship Urals for less than $60, it makes some profit - if it could extract and ship crude for free, it would make $60 per barrel at most, but building/maintaining oil wells/equipment and shadow fleets costs money, especially when that equipment is also targeted by sanctions. If India buys urals crude at $60 per barrel from Russia, refines it to various products such as aviation kerosene (and other products, as even byproducts from a single barrel of crude being refined may have value) then it is getting much more than $60 from sales of refined products made from each barrel. So even if those refined products are used in an EU country, Russia made much less out of the deal than had it refined the crude itself and exported refined products directly. It can make a controlled amount of profit on crude sales, but makes far less profit from refining for export markets than it did before.
Countries like India/Turkey and China are probably only interested in buying crude from Russia at or near the price cap, rather than products refined in Russia, because they have their own refineries and can make money by processing it further and exporting the output.
EU has become a joke
It is a joke for decades..
I am Impressed Ukraine allowed this for so long anyways.
If I was Ukraine. These Pipelines would have been Shut Off the moment Orban sided with Putin.
And people complain about India buying the oil. 😂
As long as Russia gets paid far less for it, I don’t see the issue. That’s what the oil price cap is for.
@@shp3ck
The problem is that you Can not implement oil price caps on the Global market at all. Via sanctios you Only give more Power to set the prices sky high to those who has it.
@@shp3ck Russia gets paid full price for the oil sold to India... That's the problem. The deal isn't in India's favor.
@user-yg5hl7gr7j India mostly sells raw produce which is then refined in the poorer parts of Europe before being sold in the richer parts of the world, like Europe and America.
For example, cocoa trees are not grown and harvested in Europe. But Europe do produce Swiss and Belgian chocolate.
Ukraine turned the tap’s off ❤
The gratitude of Ukraine is legendary. EU should hurry up give it full membership.
Hello troll. Yes, we should accept Ukraine and at the same time exclude Hungary.
@@sonjam-blue Of course you should. I'm being completely serious here. I can only dream of an enemy so desperately insane to invite a rabid dog into their home.
No way.
With the amount of good will Orban has amassed in the EU they will surely be super quick to react and put pressure on Ukraine to let the oil flow again. ...oh wait...yeah maybe not.
It's absurd to expect Ukraine to allow Russian oil exports to pass through its territory
Yes!
u realise this all effects real ppl n populations?
Orban are Fico are two bums
This is an AWESOME move by Ukraine. Put the pressure on Hungary.
Orban begging EU to save him is quite the scene.
Ukraine cuts of oil to Hungary and Slovakia and then asks for energy inports from Hungary and Slovakia
I am from Hungary, but I hope Kiev keep those pipeplines close and the EU find workarounds of Orban vetos, blackmails. Orban had years to find another source of the gas and oil too. I would rather pay more than fueling Putin’s war, but I know that the Hungarian national oil company constantly makes much more than plenty of profits, and the larger portion of the endprice of the gasoline and petrol is comes from different taxes, not the cost of crude oil.
EU has article 7 in the Treaty of EU that it will use. With a majority of the membercountries decision they can take away Orban´s voting rights and there will be no veto from hungary. They have already cut funding from EU to Hungary.
Germany has not managed to find oil and gas at the same price as Russian. Everyone I know from Germany complains since 2022 about the high energy prices and German industry is relocating do to high energy costs.. let's not trivialize. It's not about Hungary and Slovakia alone....
Germany chose to trash their cheap nuclear power and replaced it with cheap coal. This is because Russian lobbyists gave money to anti nuclear groups to undermine their energy competition. Germany is experiencing the consequences of being manipulated by Russia, all the way to the top.
Small price to pay for freedom from the ruSSian yoke.
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine don't forget to enjoy your new freedom every day, meanwhile India and China will be enjoying their new affordable and reliable energy sources
@@Noodles.FreeUkraine I don't think SS and Russia go together, but you are correct no-one should be yoked. The point is, the war should have never happened.
@@ibrahimtouman2279 Rest assured that I'm fully able to appreciate my freedom on my own accord. Of course, those without morals may beg to differ.
EU should do and say nothing. If asked - say Ukraine is an independent country, "as you know", so talk to them...
Independent country don't expect from others to pay the salaries and pensions of its citizens.
@@ivanivanov-qi1el Who exactly is paying salaries to IT professionals or business owners or to property owners who rent it out in Ukraine ???
@@OlgaGorchynska who is paying to the rest people? It was clearly stated that part of the 60 billion US aid will be used for this.
@@ivanivanov-qi1el The US will not give money to Ukraine directly. The amount will go to the American arms producers. Ukraine will get weapons for this amount, not the money itself. Listen carefully to American experts on this topic.
The majority of weapons are from the US, and the majority of government support comes from the EU and European countries individually.
Then, the EU supervises the spending of Ukraine with european funds.
Both the US and Europe is perfectly fine with this arrangement. It's only russia that's not 😂
We can keep supporting Ukraine forever, and it has so little impact on our combined economies that we barely notice it.
Orban thought that the war would be over in weeks. He’s played the game thinking Russia would have occupied all of Ukraine by now. Well he didn’t anticipate the resilience and mindset of both Ukraine and the EU. Hungary will get what it deserves. No wonder he went to Ukraine and Russia last week.
It's good to see Ukraine no longer being passive in the face of the Orban regime's collaboration with Putin.
There's no reason why Hungary should get any fuel as long as they continue this anti-EU anti-Ukraine policy.
Two years down the (pipe)line,and this has only just happened? Luk elsewhere for your oil Hungary and Slovakia!
To be clear - Hungary and Slovakia giving 60% of Ukraine's electricity. So if Ukraine cut the oil, Hungary and Slovakia will cut off the electricity. And of course zero chance to Ukraine to go anyway closer to the EU, because Hungary will veto out them 100 times more, as until now. Plus we can close our transport lines, railways. So there are few objects in our hands, if they want to going on this way. I think this was not an ukrainian idea, but an EU one. But don't worry, we will handle it, to be more painfull for the EU, than to us...
60% - completely made up. maybe you meant 60% of import, and import itself is about 20% of the total. there is not even enough grid lines between those countries for such amount
Ha ha how is Hungary going to produce any electricity