Chernobyl 05 VICHNAYA PAMYAT PT.2 reaction
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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One of the best miniseries of all time, spectacular television.
Yesyes!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Still waiting for that 9/11 series, where the government lies about everything, police and firemen kill the survivors, and the whole thing was organized by the Senate. Will be just as great television, pure bullshit for the dramatic effect.
Followon: The show made Lyudmila a celebrity. She had to move to escape the paparazzi. Dyatlov really was like that, according to his colleagues. He gave an interview late in life, maintaining to his dying day that he was on the toilet. His prior experience was on nuclear subs. An admiral came to inspect the reactors when they were finished and couldn't believe "you're putting that piece of shit into civilian use".
The red and blue placards were created to explain to the cast. It worked so well, they used it in the show. The big dramatic change was that Legasov was not at the trial. But he was ostracized at work by the higher-ups, who needed to curry favor for the regime. He was passed over for the chairmanship of the institute, which was a huge shock. He made several suicide attempts, of which the one we saw was successful.
Nikolai Fomin broke his glasses and cut his wrists in prison awaiting trial. He was released early for mental instability. He was let go from his job at the Kalanin reactor for the same reason. The biggest character change was Leonid Toptunov. They used someone who looked young and inexperienced. In real life, he was square-faced and learned karate (which was illegal) and boxed. And was young and inexperienced.
Soviet culture was "shoot the messenger". If you surfaced a problem, it was all your fault. There was a tractor factory under construction where the construction lagged, but the paperwork moved on schedule so no one would be blamed. Finally the fire marshall showed up to inspect and found a cement slab.
In my opinion, Boris Scherbina's speech to the divers was of Shakespearean quality, worthy of Henry IV's "band of brothers" speech at Agincourt.
Dyatlov wasn't like that in real life - According to his colleagues, he was "hard to work, but he also was a professional and knew the reactor"
He never blamed workers for the disaster, he blamed people, who built the reactor, and the USSR... And he actually tried to find khodemchuk and save other people - And the reason he felt sick (in first episode, he pukes), was because he went with other worker to search for other people in the reactor, and both of them were hit by radioactive water - The worker he went with, was hit in the face, while he was hit in the leg - And just being hit in the leg by that water, was enough for him to fell sick.
If I remember, after the trial, he sent letters to the toptunov's family, sending his condolences, and saying that he and other people did everything right...
The trial was rather a "show trial" - People knew the sentence, knew that "there must be someone to blame", but a state put these people on a trial to show an illusion of justice.
Dyatlov probably wasn't a nice person, but he also wasn't a villain that the show tries to portray him as
also, the west is still all about “shoot the messenger”, too many people don’t want the truth, only to be ass-kissed…
Such wonderful development for Boris. In the first episode he didn't know anything about the reactor and now he's the one explaining it in detail.
Love him and Valery. He killed himself so the tapes would gain more popularity. He would die anyway so why not do it with a goal in mind.
Well he also killed himself because the KGB would have broken every bone in his body and then broken them again any time they healed until he admitted that he was wrong and the state was right.
@@krashd so why they didn't begin to do it with him right after the incident and waited for 3 years until he killed himself? He did it because of the consequences of radiation.
Well there are some reports that his friend, the one that published the tapes, said that Legasov killed himself because he was depressed, not necessarily because he wanted the tapes to gain popularity. I'm not sure what exactly is true.
@@granDoktor maybe both have some truth
its amazing that the people who volunteered to go open the valves at the cost of their lives, survived. its almost like they were rewarded for their heroism
It's precisely because they worked under water that they survived. Water offers good protection against radiation (they often store radioactive material in deep water tanks for that reason) and while the water itself was contaminated, it was much less so compared to what the reactor itself was putting out.
@@nyuszicsib Source? Every piece I've read says they volunteered.
@@JawadBhuiyan About a 1 year ago I read that that somewhere. Now I'm searching for it and everywhere they saying they were volunteers.
Looks like I was wrong. I'm very sorry!
@@nyuszicsib All good. I just wanted to make sure since I love digging into historical events. :)
their bodies were totally protected by their heavy balls of steel
It’s a powerful series and I’m so glad you did this. Keeps it alive and encourages people to watch it.
Boris Scherbina became a hero again when a major earthquake hit Armenia, he led the relief effort, and made sure when they asked for help they told the truth about the extent of the damage. Scherbina is probably my favorite character, he starts out as almost a bad guy, but once he trusts Legasov he does do what’s necessary.
First spoken line of episode 1: "What is the cost of lies?"
Last spoken line of episode 5: "Where I once would fear the cost of truth, I now only ask... What is the cost of lies?"
Brilliant
Yeah. And have nothing in common with the real story.
8:55 "There's a part of me that feels ashamed for doubting him after everything he's done". I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to say I think that's a really cool bit of self-reflection you don't see too often
Vichnaya Pamyat is Eternal Memory. It's used for Russian/Eastern Orthodox funeral/memorial services. Very appropriate.
Not sure if you already knew this, but Chernobyl wasn’t Dyatlov’s first nuclear incident. With the prior one (in the 60s, I think?), not only did he receive a big dose of radiation- his son developed leukemia and died. Pretty weird to me that he wasn’t more of a stickler about safety after that!
OMG, I did see whole Chernobyl four times. Now I watched all your Chernobyl reactions. And I really didn't expect me to cry with you at the end but I do.
I was 6 years old on the time of the disaster, living in Czechoslovakia. Fourth day after the explosion, Czechoslovak TV informed about "nuclear power plant accident", where "core was damaged with some radiation leakage" and that "the situation is stable and the surroundings are under constant observation". The same time when German children were not allowed to play outside...
Small (or not so small) detail. The control rods were half boron and half graphite--the idea being the rods could be moved in and out of a protective sheath to adjust control of the reactor. But, the controls rods got stuck. Honestly, the situation was difficult enough to explain so I don't mind this inaccuracy. At heart the basic truth remained--the single biggest problem was with the reactor DESIGN, and the state was refused to fix the problem.
Boris was instrumental in rescue efforts with an earthquake in the Balkans. Again, he saved countless lives by accepting foreign aid on the spot.
The so-called "Liquidators" in their hundreds of thousands worked for years to clean up after the disaster. There are monuments to their courage and sacrifice. Quite rightly.
The new containment unit over the reactor will be upgraded, repaired, etc. Within it the old containment unit is being disassembled. Of course eventually another containment unit will be needed, with technology a hundred years from now, circa 2105.
So many people reacted not only well, but heroically. I have never seen any dramatization portraying so many heroes before this.
Correct. The graphite tips weren't a design flaw, they were put there for a reason. However, during testing the AZ-5 did show that it could cause a spike in reactivity, so procedures were created to prevent that from ever being a problem. Even SKALA recommended shutting down the reactor, because reactivity wasn't affected by withdrawing control rods.
The human error was the result of not explaining why these procedures were put in place, and how the AZ-5 button could cause increased reactivity. Because a lot more control rods had been pulled than was allowed procedurally, and they all re-entered the core at the same time at the push of AZ-5, and there was no flow of coolant in the reactor allowing steam (void) to build up, they generated so much heat the control rod tubes deformed and the graphite tips got stuck between the fuel rods, causing an unending power surge.
The steam pressure caused the lid to rupture (the first explosion), and the heat had caused a reaction between the water and zirconium fuel rod cladding, creating hydrogen gas. The rush of oxygen into the reactor, and extreme heat of the fuel rods ignited the hydrogen, resulting in the secondary explosion that destroyed the building.
I cried watching you crying. What a show. Thank you so much for this reaction series
Thank you for watching it with us n.n
Legasov committed suicide not because he wanted to convey the truth, and not because he was tormented by a previously told lie.
Legasov committed suicide because many people died on his conscience. He did not think of anything better than pouring sand and boron from helicopters onto a burning reactor, and people died as a result. He knew only this solution, but he always doubted whether it was the best or the only one. He got the idea to dig a tunnel under the reactor. He didn't know if it was the right decision (in fact, it turned out to be unnecessary), but he couldn't know for sure. He came up with the idea to use "biorobots" on the roof of the reactor, and he knew no other solution.
Each of his decisions attracted victims, and he did not even know how many - tens, hundreds or thousands. And every time he thought it over again, he doubted that he had done the right thing.
In the end, it broke him. He fulfilled his duty, but could not accept the sacrifices that this entailed.
It's a very difficult story to watch but I feel like they really did it well and focused on the right people. I love the fact that they combined so many others into one female character, it was an excellent way to represent them all. I think it's very important to remember these people. So many have been forgotten for so long, and without them millions could have died. They sacrificed themselves to save so many and it's so upsetting to me that billions of people have no idea who they were.
My Dad was one of the 300000 people
26:00 Boris didn't think it was dangerous because they sent him. If it was dangerous, they'd sent someone less important. It was his realization during the trial (at least in the series) that he was expendable to the state, which led him to say that he was meaningless, and at least he could have stood in the shadow of the true greats like Valery Legasov. However, it was his knowledge of how the apparatchik worked, that he was able to make a difference, and his willingness to relay the expertise of people like Legasov that made him one of the most valuable actors in the clean-up.
Thank you sweethearts for doing this. I just want to hug you.
This was a great reaction series, you were so genuine and heartfelt and it's been an hnoor getting to watch along. I really recommend you check out the 5 podcast episodes - one for each show episode- where the creators actually go into some of the inaccuracies. Seems they took the message of the show to herat and tried to be as transparent as possible, it's very insightful!
Thank you so much for watching the show with us! :D I've heard about the podcasts a few times now, I'll definitely have to check it out n.n
>where the creators actually go into some of the inaccuracies.
Inaccuracies are fine.
You'd have to cut out 90% of the show to remove all the lies, however.
Kitty Cat knows human will need hug after this, sweet cat you have...!
Awesome reaction/commentary and edit ladies. Spot on.
Thank you n.n
Wow - Well done, guys - that was a real tough show to get through. I'm glad you survived and can expect to live longer than was predicted ...when you were right there, in the middle of it all.
You should take it easy now. Relax, put your feet up, and just react to Black Mirror! lol
Thank you! It's been wonderful to watch this tear-jerker along with you, and so brilliant that you split each episode into two parts, so that you could pack in so much more. I also love your chat afterwards. You're both so observant and have such interesting things to point out. You not only knocked Chernobyl 'out the park', you knocked it out the EXCLUSION ZONE!
Comrade Roose should've flayed Dyatlov as punishment.
Wonderfully emotive reaction and great commentary and analysis as always, ladies. This was a tough one, but I'm glad you watched and invited all of us in to react along with you. Love to you both (and your adorable kitty!)
Thank you x3
I love your reaction, sometime, you do need to speak but just the look and emotion make all
Thank you n.n
Love your kitty - I have 7 myself and they do their best to take care of me :)
Oh god, here comes the tears. :( Just like you I bawl my eyes out every time I watch this. So much sacrifice, so much death, and for a regime that just played fast and loose with the truth. And as I've said before nearly every government on this planet has done pretty much the same to greater or lesser degree's.
This is a magnificent piece of TV, and I'd go as far as say it's the best thing that I've seen for decades and of course still incredibly relevant to todays world. "The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants, it doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time. And this, at last, is the gift of Chernobyl. Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now I only ask : What is the cost of lies ?"
Remember this is a dramatization and they really made Dyatlov into a evil guy
Thanks for ur reactions! Best miniseries ever made.
There's an interview with Boris Stolyarchuk (one of the three main operators) here on RUclips. He said that raising the reactor power back up again after in has been lost was not against the existing rules.
Thank you sincerely, girls. For showing humanity, emotions and truly commentating and sharing your thoughts in a respectful way. This is the story that should never be forgotten, as well as people who suffered and sacrificed.
P.S. Your cat is so cute❤
Dyatlov wasn't careless. He was a very competent, experienced nuclear pysicist.
Such a powerful series!! I loved your reactions as always. This show was so well done.
That's been a great reaction to a superb series. You are both smart and likeable and the cat is adorable! Thanks!
...and don't forget that Homer Simpson is a safety specialist at Springfield Nuclear Power Plant!
Thank you x3 (and yeah, that Homer fact.... Isn't reassuring at all 😅)
Heart goes out to the heroes and to those who died and the living who suffered both humans and animals. Once again showing the government has failed their citizens by not telling them of tips in the rods. If they would have told the reactor workers or not be cheap this may never have happened in the first place.
Another good mini series I say to watch is When They See Us. Fair warning you may tear up to this show to. Another based on real events
great series. i liked how things would happen and then they would explain what exactly happened such as with the firefighter. we see the damage its doing to him until he is in complete agony and for those who dont know anything about radiation poisoning its explained a few scenes later in an unrelated scene. like with the explosion. we start the series just after it exploded and it isnt until the final episode when we get a run down of what happened.
great series.
The death toll is a bit misleading because when the soviet said 31 it is the number of death by the explosion itself not the poisonning.
That and the fact the Soviet Union would no longer exist by 1991 so they haven't had much time to revise it.
No, this is the first three months after the accident, 31 people died and here they wrote it as if it were the official statistics of the Soviet Union 😠
The arrogant man, Dyatlov once said this, according to the show creator:
“During the behind-the-scenes interview, Mazin said: "Dyatlov made decisions that no rational person ever should have made. He made crazy choices and in the trial, Dyatlov does say the following thing: *'I will not say that I am guilty, but I cannot say that I'm not.'* I thought that was a remarkable expression of - at least the potential - of guilt. In its own way, the statement was very Soviet, to have it both ways.”
*'I will not say that I am guilty, but I cannot say that I'm not.'*
How chilling is that? What a fascinating little man, a nobody, who almost destroyed an entire continent...
He was irradiated in another accident at a nuclear plant, and the radiation he unknowingly brought home with him killed his son. Probably did not bring out the best in him.
Thank you for being honest and showing real emotion. Not very common online. Take care.
Thank you ladies for your reaction to this show. I really enjoyed watching it with you.
Tell your mother that your viewers say hi, and all of you please stay safe 😷
Will do n.n thank you!!!
Covid-19 is the new Chernobyl. China could have stopped it for spreading. But no, they still "driving" the Soviet way of command. So sad. 😔
I loved your reaction to this show. 😊
Stay safe 🤘🇨🇦🇩🇰🤘
Oh its definitely like a new Chernobyl. Someone was promised promotions for the whole circus and those who disagree that they wont work anywhere (someone will see to it).
this court scene is pure pleasure...,Legasov is just roasting the fuck out of USSR so much so that The radiation didn't even find anything to penetrate
I listened to the HBO podcast on RUclips with the show's creator Craig Mazin and host Peter Segal where Craig Mazin explains the years that he researched Chernobyl ..they talk about and explain each episode and it was so interesting ..I listened to all five parts ..so good
Love the cat 🐈❤️
Kinda insane to think that shit happened in the same year i was born without these heroes we would live in a whole different world.
Hiding stuff high up. Recent example is Church and Pope.
I would say China is the most recent example though with whole Covid-19.
Yes, the death toll of 31 is ridiculous, but one reason the Soviet figure has not changed since the 1980s is that there wasn't a Soviet Union after that to revise the estimate.
Thank you thank you so much very nice reaction 💖💖👍👍
basically dyatlov was like a reckoess driver but he did it believing he had the best brakes in the world.... worst case scenario he can always stop... but he didn't know the brakes were faulty because the guy that sold him the car hid it from him. yes he's responsible but at the same time he was also shafted. the sad thing is that despite their inexperience toptonov and akimov were both 100% right in their reservations protestation and attempt at fixing the situation that arose .... its just such a horrible human disaster
I studied this as part of my university degree but seeing it in this show when it's not just numbers but ppl is horrifying. In reality it was actually worse than what was shown, the show runners toned it down. when akimov was being interviewed his face was melting off and u could see parts of his skull as he struggled to speak. toponov tried to lift his arm in the hospital and his bone lift up while the skin and flesh stuck to the bed... 😱
it's truly horrifying. u have to commend the sacrifice of the ppl that stopped thos disaster from being even worse.
oh and BTW I loved your reactions, u seem like intelligent (emotionally and intellectually) ppl and u really grasped the concepts and gave a real reaction 👍
great reaction. i recommend Fargo series to replace this
I've watched thos show maybe 6 times and I'm sitting watching again with you guys, crying my eyes out. They were so irresponsible, it's unbelievable. Dyatlov should have hung for that crap. There's an hour + interview with him on RUclips and he's still attempting to defend his actions.
I love watching shows with you guys. I'm up to date on The Last Kingdom, now Chernobyl, I'm going to see what's next.
Thank you for your lovely nature's and honesty.
Take care both of you, from (not so sunny) England 😀
Thank you x3 I'm glad you enjoy our reactions! This show devastated me, the history behind makes me both so sad and so angry at the same time D: human stupidity and overconfidance that lead to a disaster
@@kyuujinreacts Absolutely, it's horrendous. If you ever feel up to it Google after effects of chernobyl !
Pigs born with 6 legs, 2 heads etc! Unbelievable stupid idiots. Lagasov was right, Dyatlov should have been shot!
Thank you for the reactions, I do t love them. I can't wait to see what you think of the rest of The Last Kingdom! Phenomenal show.
Have a good weekend both of you xxxc
@MonaroMel1 thank you x3 Have a good weekend as well! :D
While I understand the show had to simplify some aspects of how the reactor worked, there are some technical mistakes that make it sound like the whole thing was an obvious time bomb that everyone was too dumb to notice.
In reality there were no "graphite tipped control rods", the control rods (boron, reactivity reducing) and the modulator rods (graphite, increase the reactivity) were integrated into one single rod, with the upper portion being boron and the lower portion being graphite.
Basically, when the reactor's energy output need to be lowered, the rod would lower into the core pushing the graphite portion out of it leaving only the boron inside, and when the reactor's energy output had to be increased, the rod would be raised pulling the boron portion out of the core and the graphite portion in. It was a space efficient design.
The fatal flaw however was that the rod did not properly displace water (reactivity reductor), allowing it to accumulate at the top and bottom of the reactor when the rods were pulled all the way out. This part is a bit complicated to understand, but what this end up causing is that the neutron flux within the core was not homogenous with reactivity being stable at the center of the core but fluctuating further away from it. Normally this would be stabilized by the other control rods, but since they were almost all removed what ended up happening is that when they were reintroduced water was displaced from the bottom of the core producing a cascade on the neutron flux from the center to the bottom (since the graphite portion was not displaced fast enough and with water gone there was nothing left in the bottom to control reactivity), causing a power surge and explosion (think of compressing a water baloon till it explodes). The design was pretty sound (in fact currently many reactors around the world use a revised version of it) and if everyone had been aware of this issue it'd be almost impossible to accidentally cause an explosion. Of course the most sensitive (albeit costly) solution would have been for the USSR to have fixed this issue when they noticed it but they made the mistake of assuming a scenario like the one that happened in Chernobyl would never happen.
Anywho sorry for the /rant, hope it made sense ^^u
I'm a bit late to the party, but you should listen the podcast they made about each of the episodes in the show, where they explain what's real and fictionalized and go into more depth about some things.
I suggest you watch the full interview with Dyatlov before his death, to get another prospective on the incident. It is on youtube and translated to english.
Check out the 5 episode podcast put out by HBO. The director explains everything and what was 100% true, what was first hand, second hand and passed down information. Also he explained the pacing, music, timelines and storytelling elements to convey this tragedy. It’s very good and I know how much you like to know the facts. It’s a great addition to the show.
I left comments for very episode of your reaction. And sitting here, contemplating what to write for the final episode... I'll tell you this:
Accept everything you see and hear in the series with a grain of salt.
The series itself is based on a single - if very famous - book about the event: "Voices from Chernobyl". It is supposed to be made out of accounts of the survivors of the tragedy. But people's opinions - and author's - can be biased.
Also, Craig Mazin took some creative liberties, so there's that.
For example: the tapes that Legasov left... They don't actually point any fingers and put blame on someone, or tell *THE TRUTH* . They are more of ruminations and philisophy of the scientist. You can look them up, they are in pulic access.
Or Dyatlov himself. If *his* memoirs are to be believed - he was practically a saint that cared deeply about his colleagues. And we simply cannot disrgard his statement outright.
Remember general Tarakanov? His depiction in series and interviews is utterly positive. But other accounts, from the men "on the ground" spoke of him and other high-ranking military officers in charge of the cleanup as callous individuals, who wasted the lives of the soldiers needlessly. Remember the planting of the red flag in ep. 4? Someone had to go and clean up the path to that tube, someone had to climb up there and plant that flag in pointless gesture of "victory". The funny thing? It went white in a week because of radiation.
I could go on for some time like that. Like, about the "Bridge of Death", that, as far as I know, is totally bogus.
But the thought of the day is: Don't accept every piece of "kinda-historical" media at face value.
But you can't deny it's an excellent show. I think it's is best enjoyed as a dramatized show inspired by the real event. Not as a documentary or even a docu-drama.
@@JawadBhuiyan neved denied its excellency. And yes, it's a dramatized show, finally someone gets it. Most others indeed call it a docu-drama or even a documentary.
I don't like what the sentence about the "unchanged Soviet toll" implies. It's a Soviet number and there's no Soviet Union to update it. No one uses that one anymore.
A small (kinda) thing: Legasov wasn't actually there at the trial irl. The show takes a bunch of liberty to create drama.
But I really enjoyed the reaction. I'll make sure to check your channel when I have another show I want to see someone's reaction to.
During the earlier stages of Russias invasion of Ukraine, The Chernobyl sight was used as a staging area for Russian troops and weapons. Soldiers stationed there dug into the ground to create shelters. Hundreds of soldiers. It has been predicted that few will live longer than three years, many of them, much less.
Damn...yeah it's still gonna haunt the world for years to come I'm afraid D:
Hey guys I just finished a great live action on Netflix, if you enjoyed Deadman’s wonderland you will enjoy Alice in Borderland, it’s on Netflix I would really recommend it, I love your reactions and I would love to see you react to Alice in borderland , thanks for the content and keep up the hard work 😁✌🏻
I hate this episode. I don't want hugs but been there as a whistle blower. Sorry. Even as we are guilty
We watched it happen. Much love to all
12:11 In the first three months after the accident, 31 people died and here they wrote it as if it were the official statistics of the Soviet Union. 🙄😑
Good reaction 💯
Thank you n.n
Very few reactors understand the meaning of what happened and is.still.happening.now. and will continue to happen, maybe for longer than we even exist as a species. - I am from the bedroom community for the the second (sometimes considered the third) most contaminated nuclear site on earth (Chernobyl being no. 1). My father worked there as a nuclear safety technician. We also grow up knowing about these things, seeing people die. People, in general, don't like to think about the meaning of this or its significance or the 'not in our lifetimes' nature of it going away. In fact, any post-apocalyptic story that doesn't take nuclear holocaust, the fact that so many reactors would be Chernobyl, forever, into consideration, begs disbelief. In this way, we are all in denial like the people in this dramatization. What is the cost of lies?
Should react to home alone 2 have some laughs
Lies. Something so characteristic of Russia, across different eras and regimes. It was present during Soviet times, and it is still present today
I'm Having a hard time blaming Dyatlov fully for the disaster, yes he was a dick to work with but if he knew about the specific condition the reactor shouldn't have been in, worst case scenario the reactor would have been stalled and would have been out of power for a day. he was definitely guilty of lying about it though.
I agree, he can't be blamed fully considering he didn't know all the facts! What he did based on him believing he had a safety net to fall into no matter what (and turns out he didn't) :/
Everyone in the court room, except soldiers, knew everything about RBMK. Its not a gapers, it's KGB selected and approved nuclear scientists, from Sarov, Kurchatov, Arzamas-16, Zagorsk-6, Zagorsk-7, add any restricted city with number. Did you expect they will appoint judge and procurator without degree in nuclear physics and officer rank in KGB? This speech was only for viewers from aMurica or aCanada.
About "innocent people". They died in vain, but they knew what they dying for. Nuclear plant wasn't built to feed 3 millions city with electricity. It did, as sub product. Reason was to feed radar "Duga", soviet antimissile radar, to shoot down American ballistic missiles, I think you will agree, nothing wrong if nuclear rocket falls onto peasants, not into capital city, to damage top cars. All male had to have Junior lieutenant or higher, their females and kids may not, they are useless in case in nuclear war.
The only legitimate person in the whole show was the old woman milking the cow. Anatoly Dyatlov was the greatest character, he fully accepted that everything was a lie and behaved accordingly. "There are no rules." He shouts, there is no truth. He looks up acknowledging the lie when told the fail safe caused the explosion. Yes they would lie even about that. He is the pure manifestation of evil created by a society built on lies. Anatoly Dyatlov is now your police force, your fire service, your health care, your council, your HR department, your child's education, the universities, the media, the economy, your representatives, the state bureaucracy, the arts scene, the state executive, the judiciary, the EU, the UN, NGOs, the IMF, charities... on and on, endlessly blaaaaa. Who are we? At worst we must accept we are Dyatlov. At best you're the fireman willingly walking up the rubble trying to make a difference. He had a wife he loved and who loved him in return and a baby on the way. Bliss. He didn't deserve to die but he accepted the lies and died. We must resist and reject the lies we are told before our faces burn off and we are dissolved into your own material essence.
Novarka