I had an online friend. She was r*ped so badly that she has horrendous, massive panic attacks if she even looks at her n*ked body. This was at LEAST 3 YEARS after it happened. She became homeless and was living in her car. She refused to leave the city she lived in because she had all her doctors and counselors there. She knew she couldn't go through the trauma of even having to explain what happened to her to one more NEW doctor. I had offered her to come live with me. Her trauma was EXTREME. To this day, I have NO idea what happened, AND I would NEVER ask her the details. Counseling sometimes, even for years, is not enough to forget, to forgive, and figure out how to live again. I hate abusers and bullies, whether it's psychological, verbal, emotional, and/or physical.
I grew up in a similar position as your friend and have similar symptoms. Had an ableist psychiatrist and they thankfully switched me to a new one. Ended up not keeping up with appointments due to not wanting to relive the pain. How am I to receive help? I’m in an impossible situation since my family was also abusive and neglectful, I needed to rely on my bf. How can my bf show me more kindness and care than my parents? How? When there were such a big part of my trauma. I’ve been feeling lately that it’s possible that nothing will be enough to make me feel like staying alive was worth it. Once I become a mom(my dream) I’ll have so many triggers and memories pop up. I’ll always be scared to hurt my child. I’ll be able to control my actions and be a great parent, but I won’t feel like it. I’ll always feel like something about me is rotten. I’ll always feel like I haunt my loved ones and burden them-which kills me because all I want is to love and show appreciation for those who love me like my parents didn’t. I never want to disappoint them. I feel trapped like I can’t pass in peace. I can’t even choose to pass if I wanted to. What kind of a life is this? I’m always feeling chaotic, paranoid, and unsafe. It’s debilitating. It’s traumatizing to have to explain to employers, doctors, etc and be invalidated because they can’t believe that such abuse exists. How? How can I wake up every morning to this truth for the rest of my life?
Living with my partner is so painful. He’s heard me talk like this before. I can’t look him in the eye and say this to him again every time that I feel this immense dread after how he reacted last time. He was so distraught. 😢
For everyone pushing for adoption, please realize that pregnancy/labor/delivery may further exacerbate the trauma of being raped. Also, because this is America, the rape victim shoulders the huge financial burden of medical bills should she choose to carry and birth the baby. Additionally, lots of women end up with permanent injuries from pregnancy and childbirth. Not fair for a rape victim to be pressured into enduring. Rape shouldn’t be the gift that keeps on giving. (And I say all this as an adoptive parent)
And unless the rapist is convicted, if the victim gives birth to the baby, the rapist sperm donor then has parental rights …so the victim has to co-parent with her rapist.
@TRB277 Well there is a way not to, a person can file for full custody dye to rape even if the rapist is not convicted- all the person would need is evidence that it was a sexual assault that caused the pregnancy. Even if the courts don't charge them, if you have evidence you can file for full custody. It varies by state but the only real state not seen to do it is North Carolina. And the rapist may still be ordered to pay child support, and the child could inherit the rapists estate. Also if can vary on the relationship with the offender, such as being a stranger, a spouse, etc. There is also some programs that can help people in that situation to get the offender out of their lives. Also there is restraining orders and protection orders they could also do.
Not true, if she's goes through with adoption, they pay the medical bills and there are levels of adoption so yes I say she should put it up for adoption
@@TwinkleToes-mm4kb it's not a human being until it's fully formed under right circumstances. Just cause we can reproduce doesn't mean we should. Not every child born out of wedlock is perfectly healthy. And if I know I can't bring a healthy child into this world, why should I? I'd rather have another already living human being(victim) survive and thrive.
@@chitravi77 where is ur links that says not every child out of wedlock is not born healthy bc that's straight up lies had my kid out of wedlock she is very smart and healthy
A doctor took an oath to take care of a patient FIRST and FOREMOST. Religion is not part of that oath in any way in our country. If a rape victim, ESPECIALLY A CHILD, wants an abortion. It's. Their. Choice. And a doctor has no right to stop it. Never hurt children. 5.8 thousand likes? Thanks everyone.
Like for example when the the female doctor said “she doesn’t want to have the baby either anyone can see that” that means she ASSUMED she wanted an abortion. That is SO dangerous.
@@SidneyJones-s4v Then both doctor's should go and speak to the rape victim alone. The parents are being too biased and making an already emotional and erratic young woman feel even worse. I personally believe the rape victim should be given the right to decide this by speaking to the doctor's on her own. Just how I feel.
How do children born from rape feel about this? On Grey's Anatomy, Jo Wilson was born from rape. Her birth mother was raped, she had the baby, and then left her at a fire station. Her mother didnt want her because she was a constant reminder of the trauma she'd experienced. She was bounced around foster homes her whole life. When Jo found out all of this, it broke her. She had to be put in a mental institution. I imagine most people would feel broken knowing they exist because their father sexually assaulted their mother. I'm not saying all babies conceived by rape should be aborted, but a woman should not be forced to keep a child she did not plan for. It wasn't her choice to be raped.
@@michaelcunniff6108Mkay but what if the baby is evil? You do realize babies must be raised a certain way to be successful? They can’t be successful just because they were born. Also why can’t the people ALIVE be successful already?
@@CrystalMalo as someone who was born of rape this episode was every triggering for me before was born my bio mother tried everything she could to abort me even went to plan parenthood and after seeing how they do it in videos she just left but I went through HELL before I was even born and then as I got older she always called me her RAPE BABY and left me with other family members some were amazing to me others super abusive to me until I got taken away from her when I was 6
when people are forced to go through with pregnancies they don’t want or aren’t capable for, those children end up suffering so much in life and the system. i don’t watch greys so i don’t know the situation for that case, but in general, its so hard on the mother and the child
@meganmichels87 I am so sorry that happened to you, and I'm so sorry that happened to your birth mother. Its just a shitty situation for everybody. How your mother treated you is pretty much how I imagined many women would act towards children born from rape. I'm glad you exist. I just wish it was under different circumstances! I hope all is well as it can be in your life. my hugs and prayers to you, your birth mother, and your family. ❤
Its easy to say that she has a choice but the reality is that she was socialized and raised in a way that makes her think that the only "choice" is having the baby or going against her parents and their belief that she'd kill the baby. So actually the female doctor was right. Its not real freedom of choice especially since she's so young
@@natalieeubank4533 true but for some carrying the child and giving birth and giving it up or raising it can cause even more trauma than the abortion itself. I get the moms point perfectly and I grew up in a religious home but using religion to get the daughter to go through with the pregnancy is wrong, and she’s putting religion above her child. Her child is vulnerable and can be easily manipulated and she’s more than likely not going to guide her through the trauma and make the choice best for her. Just my opinion I do get your point though
@@natalieeubank4533 ur right its not but what would u rather have this child do? Go through the trama of being a catholic teen mom with ur abusers kid? Have the baby and have her older parent raise it? Have the baby and put it for adoption now that kid's life is unstable because theyr in the system and shes a 15 year old who just went through the trama of being assaulted, giving birth and giving that baby away?how is she supposed to pay the medical bills for a pregnancy and labor? thats way more expensive then an abortion or even how is she supposed to give birth she is a child she is at a higher risk of dying from having a baby. How is SHE supposed to cope?? Ik shes fictional but that is real there are otherways of course and if they work i hope she takes them. But it doesn't work for everyone. We need to think of the victim here there isnt another way hers and that baby's life is doomed or at least it not the happiest.
Christian doctor here. The right thing to do would be to have the girl talk to a third-party professional in private, give here some time to process and offer counseling. This is an extremely tricky situation. No one should push ANY opinion on her, from either side. It's hard enough on its own. The girl will mature pretty quickly through all of this. Respecting her voice and her decision would be affirming of her dignity.
Yes. Voluntary confrontation of trauma has been shown to be very healing. Many women who did keep the baby said it helped heal them. But, it has to be voluntary. Abortion is murder of an innocent. It's descending to the level of the rapist. There are many other options available, especially with modern medical tech. Carrying to term is the right thing to do. But it has to be voluntary. Otherwise, it's a traumatic violation. I believe this is why God gave us free will. And who are we to do otherwise?
Agreed. This is an extremely difficult situation for the victim and also for the hospital as well. The male doctor was being too blunt in this scene, but basically he is trying protect her from any legal repercussions from the victim’s parents should they suspect that she convinced their daughter to go against their religious beliefs.
Finally a voice of reason. ER doctors should not be making this decision for her. She will need a lot of therapy to get through this and should have a professional with experience in this area help her make this tough decision
That is essentially the female doctor wants to do. She wants to get the opinion of another Attending, a 3rd party, who can talk to the girl without bias. However, the Attending on the case seems to be appalled by the idea that his Catholic ideology is interfering with his hypocratic oath. (I think I spelled that right)
Well it would be nice if Christians READ what the Bible says about abortion instead of committing sin against the holy spirit by condemning it but you are the one who has to face God over it.
@@pamelaconnolly4566 You wouldn't pass a level 1 collegiate Biology and Physiology class so you'll have to excuse me for ignoring your opinion on the matter.
@@pamelaconnolly4566 and don't come at me with the "all life is sacred" bs, I have my own kid and if I didn't love her other dad the way I did when I was pregnant, she wouldn't be here at all. Because I wanted a kid born of love not "responsibility to life"
I’m a survivor of childhood rape. I was first assaulted at 3-5 1/2 then again by my own dad 3 times in 7th grade resulting in my attempts to take my own life. I never convinced from my trauma, but I would’ve kept the baby because it’s not the baby’s fault their sperm donor was a POS. Now…. You don’t get to use the trauma of rape survivors to push abortions. First of all, less than 1% of abortions happen due to rape. 2nd, there is usually wayyyyyy too much trauma done to the uterus for the egg to implant to secure the life. 3rd, all you people talk about is the idea of having a choice whether to carry the baby or not, you NEVER talk about the effects of abortion on the woman, the EXTRA trauma on her mind and body whether it’s from the pill that forces your body into LABOR or having an abortionist rip the baby limb from limb when still inside the woman. You never talk about how an emergency delivery is actually SAFER for mom than ANY form of abortion. You never talk about how many women kill themselves because they realize too late that that baby was alive and their child and they can’t live with that pain. No NOOOOOOOOO you people are the ones who are disgusting only giving a 1/3 of the truth and making it seem like abortion is empowering, COMPLETELY IGNORING the millions of stories of women who killed themselves over the trauma of the abortion or were FORCED into abortion (telling even the receptionist that they didn’t want it and the receptionist making note of it in their file but doing NOTHING for her. From a survivor’s story I heard) when they didn’t want it. I’m angry, obviously. Please for the love of all that is good and holy, educate yourself before you give only the info that planned parenthood wants you to know. Btw even abortionists have been asked and they confirmed that they do know that that baby can feel pain and is alive when they rip them limb from limb, do they care? No. They just want their paycheck.
The male doctor might be a doctor before catholic but he's also a man before doctor. He will never ever understand how a baby can change a woman's life completely
@@christiansoldier77these are my childbirth injuries: pelvic muscles (levator ani etc) ripped from my pelvis and sacrum, prolapse of bladder, uterus, small intestines, and sigmoid colon, conditions diagnosed: cystocyle, rectocyle, intercussesion, pelvic compaction, chronic pain, difficulties with all basic functions, loss of happiness, ptsd. Abortion saves lives when you live in a country with the highest rates of neonatal, maternal and infant death, injury and maternal su!cide out of all developed nations. Your bias and ignorance are blatant.
As someone who was raised as a Christian and still believes the majority of our teachings, if my daughter were raped and got pregnant as a result of it, it would be her choice whether she aborted it, kept it or put it up for adoption, that girl was mentally and physically abused, she cannot fathom that she has a choice here, but when that baby is born and grows up to realize how it was conceived, he/she will grow to hate themselves.
Sometimes you can’t really give a choice, Gosh, I can’t imagine forcing a child to keep a fetus conceived via rape, but I also can’t imagine forcing my daughter to terminate, my step moms mother forced her to have an abortion when she was brutally assaulted at 13 years old, she wanted to keep it due to religious beliefs but her body was too fragile and my grandma made the right choice, she saved her babygirl
Perhaps you should talk to an adult that was born from this violence. I've seen many videos of people that were. Some were put up for adoption. Some the mother's kept and raised. All of them are so grateful for their lives, and sad that their mother had such a violent and hatefilled thing happen to them. I could only suspect those that might hate themselves. Would either be blaming themselves, or perhaps taught it was their fault. They are a victim too.
I mean I'm Christian and my husband was conceived of rape. His mother's family wanted to abort him if she had done that I would have the man I have today. So I don't consent to taking a life purely because of that. The man I love is alive even though something evil happened to his mother, she allowed him the choice. She let him live and he was adopted into an amazing family who raised him and loved him and finally I got to marry the man of my dreams. A great evil done to someone does not justify killing a humans regardless of what science says. If my husband was aborted I'd never have gotten to know him. He even met his mother and she never resented him or blamed him for what happened.
Sounds like you sick people want to “force” her to have an abortion! SHE said that she doesn’t want an abortion! “Oh but her heads just twisted! She doesn’t know what she wants”! You are truly sick people!
@julieme7927 Well it might sound cruel to say this but what would you rather want for your child if you have or had one? Losing your child while they're giving birth to a rapist's baby, who took everything from them. Or terminate the pregnancy, ensuring your daughter's survival and sparing her of the possible outcome of her dying while in labour? Tough choice ain't it?
But he is by not allowing her to know that she has options and choices. So allowing your Catholic beliefs override your Hippocratic + moral obligation to your patient physical and mental health. 😢😢😢
Another issue is if this had taken place at a Catholic hospital. The option to have an abortion is removed entirely. Sadly, this is the case in an increasing number of rural areas. Even in Seattle, there’s only three hospitals in the entire city where this scenario would be possible, because even the other “secular” hospitals are operated by Catholic healthcare organizations, which don’t allow abortions to be performed at ANY of the hospitals they operate.
@@RextheRebelsays a man that has no right to dictate what a woman does WITH HER OWN BODY. 🤦♀️ You know it’s not about the zygote/embryo/fetus at all (remember, it’s NOT a baby until it’s born, because science and medicine). Y’all just want to control women as much as you can. Gotta love a misogynistic jerk…
He did, actually. In the next scene, he offers the girl an option that isn't an abortion but can induce a miscarriage in 50% of cases. He explains that it would be giving God the chance to make the decision for her. She accepted this option.
@@lauraelliott6909 so did she miscarry, look I'm not saying that abortion should be the be all, in situations like this but until the law force's rapist's to give up paternity rights and straighten out the foster and adoption system, such things should not be blocked
This is exactly why the United States will be destroyed... because it's laws don't respect God or innocent human life. The murder of babies is the law of the land, labeled as "choice"! Well, choices have consequences - and what goes around, comes around.
@victoriakiteley8337 They don't tell us what happens later. The whole point of this storyline is that the girl didn't want an abortion, but she didn't really want to be pregnant either. This option was one she could accept.
Not just the rape but the irreversible body changes the pain discomfort the birth the damages birth can cause c sections too I mean the birth defects the way the child would be treat as a rapist child as an unwanted child And that if they both live too
If I found out my mother was raped to conceive me, I could never forgive myself for existing as a constant reminder of her trauma. No matter how she’d feel, whether or not she’d moved on by then, any empathetic person would be horrified to learn they were only born bc their mother was raped and their grandparents pressured her to give birth.
@@mariegaffney7170 it would be a realization that my mother was horribly assaulted to create me, suffered the trauma of giving birth to me and raising me, and all the while may not have even been in the right state of mind due to the brainwashing we subject women to. While you are correct to a degree, I still would not find much comfort in that. My mother should never have been assaulted, and she should have never been made to feel like she needed to have me to prove she loved a bundle of cells more than herself or her own mental wellbeing as a fully developed and conscious adult woman. This is all hypothetical thankfully, as my parents are married and have not had this issue as far as I’m aware
@@mariegaffney7170 bro i'd end myself right then and there if I knew something like that about myself. How in the world could someone think that's okay.
@@dr.bartfratze9354 children often feel guilty for things that are not their fault, the average child's mind will believe that in some way the rape was their fault. Over time the child's natural instinct to faun will decrease which is why these feelings of guilt decrease greatly if the person is told as an adult vs as a child.
‘She could just put the baby up for adoption’ people who say this don’t seem to understand that it’s not just because victims don’t want to raise their rapist’s child. Pregnancy does so much to a woman’s body, and childbirth does even more. It’s got so many side effects, possible complications and risks, and can be incredibly dangerous even resulting in death. Why should a victim have to go through that just because they were raped?
Yup, I'm a diabetic for the rest of my life due to having kids. I had gestational diabetes. It went away after my 1st but developed into Type 2 after my 2nd... Some of my mom's teeth fell out when she was pregnant with my brother, her 1st child.... Some women's bones get brittle. The list goes on. Pregnancy can be HELL on a woman, no matter which number pregnancy it is.
Unfortunately, the problem here is quite simply the fact that males make the rules to keep women as slave-like as possible, and they hate us. Therefore, it's so easy for them to be vile like that.
She was a good doctor. I agree that you are not biased because your morals and beliefs are your own. Being a religious doctor in this case is a conflict of interest. I'm glad she requested another attending.
@nunyabusiness2945 Yeah that's HER experience. How many times must people be told, not everyone has the same experience?? It's like taking to a bunch of donkeys
@jniiib killing is not sumones right or choice we can't kill ppl or pregnant women and their babies in the womb we can't kill newborns or kids so what makes it ok to kill unborn babies in the womb
Before you go criticizing someone like this girl, think about your mother, your sister, cousin, aunt, any woman in your life being brutally violated and traumatized and then being forced to carry a piece of the man who has given her a slew of life long problems including having full blown panic attacks if a man so much as accidentally bumps into her at the store, eating disorders for fear of accepting food or drinks, being absolutely terrified of stepping foot outside, the constant struggle and pressure of people calling you a sl*t because you were attacked, villainized. All this, body horror too, btw, while carrying a part of that man inside them. It's like being SA'd, continuously for nine f*cking months! Yes, the examples are some of the most severe possible symptoms but that does not diminish the fact some women suffer some if not multiple of those examples.
I don't think they care about anyone else's suffering, particularly a female. Not that they will say that but that's how they act. And everything you said was true. A lifetime of suffering- even if the person is working on it alone or in therapy. It still never goes away.
Yeah, that's bad. But I wouldn't want them to carry the guilt of having ended a child on top of that either. Because every woman Ive known who has had an abortion has regretted it, deeply.
@apap4950 a fetus doesn't have rights until they are born. Until they are born they rely on the mother for everything. If the mother dies before the fetus is viable to survive in the world it dies as well.
@apap4950, Do tell me about your memories of the womb. I'd love to hear them. See like most people I dont remember what it was like in the womb my memories started at around 2 but if I stretch my imagination Id guess it was like been in a sensory deprivation tank floating in darkness not knowing anything, no itenligece, no consept of death or understanding of it, essentially bliss fully unaware. A fetus wouldnt know it was dying its not cognisent of what death is, its why we have to explain death to children cos they dont just pop out with the knowledge. A girl of that age if shes aware of what child birth is she'll be terrifided of the pain and stress her body is going to go through, if not the shock of each new stage of pregnancy will tear them apart mentally and at the end possibly physically. Now how is that fair one has awareness ( the child your suggesting should be forced to be a mother before she is mentally ready or healed) the other limited if any at all the undborn fetus. You notice its called a fetus not a baby btw, because lets be fair a fetus dosnt devlope detectable brain waves till 7 months gestation and the 1st signs of a spark of electrical currents that power our thoughst 6 weeks so if people didnt hold up the process with pointless moralistic projections that lead imbiciles to beleve things like a cheata that saves a monkey from another predator isnt going to eat it its self once it gets hungry or that a fetus has a fear of a consept most dont figure out before they're 5, a woman or poor raped young girl could end both their potential suffering before even the spark of though occures. Also if god cares so much then given his omnipitance youd think hed find a way to give this child a second chance at life or a safe comfortable place in heaven. I mean whats the point of that level of power if you cant spare some to take care of those he cares so much for that his disiples would force a child through tourture to bring it in to the world.
Man... As a man I don't even want to think about the emotional turmoil women go through in these situations. Like not only are you still processing that you've just been forced, but also you now have to decide to keep or abort the baby, because people think that's easy because it's part of the trauma so of course you'd get rid of it, but here's the crazy part, the baby itself is innocent. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying to keep it, I'm just pointing out that for poor women going through this, it must be a complete emotional rollercoaster in the worst way. I was forced myself twice as a child, but "luckily" for me as a boy I can't get pregnant, so after the incidents I just had to heal, but big love to my fellow sisters falling victim to this disgusting crime. I know this is just a show and it's kinda weird to be so invested, but unfortunately this reflects a very real situation and that's why I'm touched by it emotionally I guess.
I get why Neela is asking for another attending. Doctors are human beings. They can't be perfect because no one is. So even if Luca (I think his name is Luca?) is sincerely trying to separate his personal beliefs from the work, he can't guarantee success. It doesn't necessarily make him a bad person, just an imperfect human.
Prove it . Nothing has changed liar, women abort their babies every day in every state , theres no ban . Some states theirs a limit becuase human lives arent a game . @@ruthtaylor1450
It doesn't matter who you are and nobody should force their own beliefs on anyone else because that is a form of control and doctors and Physicians and anybody in the medical industry should recognize that what you do with your body is your own business and not theirs and they should keep their mouth shut and don't try to force their beliefs on others.
I agree so much with you and the amount of people thinking they get to decide on what even strangers do, makes me sick. And the arguments get more stupid the longer you keep on reading. No politician should get a right to ban abortions. I think it's fair for a doctor to decide whether they want to make that procedure or not.
ALL religion is a form of control. Just watch how trump controls his followers in MAGA but never does anything for them - except to ask for more money.
I was r*ped and got pregnant as a result. I told the father. He got really angry and said," get rid of it." I don't believe in termination but after getting deathly sick at 7 weeks, I had no choice but to terminate. I would've died if I continued the pregnancy. After all of that, I went on a depo shot to prevent that from ever happening again. I went against my own personal beliefs to save my life. It wasn't my time to go yet. Luckily, this happened before the Roe v. Wade overturning nonsense happened.
@@taylermuilenburg5029 what? A dead baby is still existence so that’s just cruel. Also i do feel bad if someone’s life is threatened. That’s why I was giving my condolences???
When her mother said do you think it's in her best interest to kill the baby? That's her mother's belief. This isn't this 15-year-old child's belief. This is something her mother is programming her to believe not the fact that her body, her choice, not the fact that this is mentally and emotionally harmful and abusive to this 15-year-old girl, not the fact that her parents are mentally abusing her. But they're looking out for God and her soul supposedly. And in what I see is a bunch of self righteous individuals pushing their beliefs on their child not giving their child the right to choose medical treatment.
Catholic here. First pregnancy at 14. And her mother is right. Learned the hard way about "choice" when I was older & now I live with that guilt of what those babies may have been when they would have been grown. I'd take being pregnant for 9 months and adopting the baby out than killing them.
@@katiebear609 sorry to say but your religion forces children to endorse r4pe culture and normalizes it to them, having the baby is harming the child for LIFE. Just because you raise a 'beautiful baby' doesn't mean you can't just force a child who's supposed to be focusing on their studies, navigate life and figure everything out before even having a child, to have one. The mother is wrong. You're also wrong.
Abortion is even more mentally damaging. We also don't know from this clip how she feels about it. It sounds like she doesn't know what she wants but the doctor is pressuring her to abort which is all too common. The doctor also shouldn't be forcing this on her
@@c.barrett5114 An unwanted pregnancy is incredibly mentally damaging anyway, regardless of what you choose to do about it. I say this as someone who kept the baby and spent years battling extreme depression because it wasn't what I wanted, and it did negatively impact my child in ways that I will never forgive myself for. I sometimes wonder if abortion would have been better for everyone. I don't think adoption is the saving grace or mental peace that everyone thinks it is. Everyone I know who gave a baby up was absolutely wrecked by it. Adoption is not always the best option for every unwanted pregnancy, much like abortion or keeping it aren't always the best options either. This is why being informed and being able to make a choice based on ALL of the options and facts is so important.
@@katiebear609this is because you likely feel the pressure from your church community. The catholic church I grew up in was much more liberal and the community never pushed the pro life agenda, many elders in their 50s/60s were very openly pro choice. I always thought it was a minority of catholic zealots who were on the strongly pro-life side making us look cruel and unreasonable like catholics didn't give a shit about the full person already living.
Any person who is raped or pregnant by incest should have a choice. My father was born from a incestuous relationship and trust me when I tell you he was mentally screwed up. I never faulted my father for his shortcomings. He and my grandmother were at each other's throats all the time and unfortunately I was used as a pawn. It pisses me off when choice doesn't matter.
1000%. And not only for these reasons but also for reasons such as the baby being a stillborn, or having a disease that can harm the mother or anything that could harm the mother or the baby in general
I was adopted and conceived not from rape but from socially very shameful circumstances. I thank God that my mother had the courage to have me, the honesty to give me up, and for my wonderful adoptive parents who otherwise would not have had children of their own. My adoptive parents are now deceased and I am in regular contact with my now elderly biological mother. I honor her as I honored my adoptive parents. They all made their sacrifices to allow me to have a good life.
As a former fetus, I never owned my mother's body. I never had dominion over her body. She had every right to terminate the pregnancy if she wanted. I am thankful I was born, but my mother never ever gave up her rights to her body, not to me, and not to anyone. Her giving birth to me was her choice.
@@grenade8572But the only exception is when it's your unborn child as then it doesn't count as part of "others"? There are very few occasions where it should be allowed and one of them would be r@pe. When you are impregnated without your permission and had no power or ability to prevent it, then it's understandable. But when you willingly open your legs, you consented knowing the possible outcomes so deal with it. It's not a lifeless toy, it's growing life that has the right to grow to term and experience life outside the womb. You don't then have the right to end it's growing body and chance at life!
@@noorjahaanmohamed5916 Oh yeah, let's make a child live miserable just to punish the mother for opening her legs! You're soooooo right. (Btw, I'm 34yo, still virgin because I don't want sex, so you're targetting me wrong saying "when YOU open your legs")
Technically you do give your body to your baby “aka “to breast feed” “not all women choose to breast feed” no they don’t but they are suppose to as nature intended.
Gosh, I can’t imagine forcing a child to get pregnant or give birth, my step moms mother forced her to have an abortion when she was brutally assaulted at 13 years old, she wanted to keep it due to religious beliefs but her body was too fragile and my grandma made the right choice, she saved her babygirl. She told me as a cautionary tale and said the abortion, her “babies death” traumatized her just as much as the rape did, I believe her, but I still believe my grandmother was right even though some people may think it was wrong to go against her wishes but she was a child, either option is not good, but you must choose the one with the least overall harm, for some victims termination is trauma and for others it’s carrying to term that is more traumatic, either way there are no winners in these situations 🕊️ my condolences to all the innocence lost to sexual violence, your worth did not decrease because of some people’s inability to see it or treat you with respect, and it was never your fault
As a rape survivor who gave up her child for adoption, I live with a clear conscious and no regret. I have enough problems sleeping because of PTSD. I certainly didn’t need to add a troubled soul into the equation. That said, I will not judge or condemn another rape survivor for making a different decision with their life.
Oh yes i was told this by a doctor, rhat their beleifs would never interfere. But despite all routes of bc i still got preg. And was making like 360 every two weeks after moving to a new city in a place that took 3/4 of all that, and the rest to late utilities. So when i went to look at options and brought up A as a last resort it was all "heres what church you can go to" and "talk fo this priest he'll guide you correctly" and when i was uncomfortable and said so she praid over me for over two minutes and wouldn't let me leave till she was done. This was supposed to be a Non-Religious help center for ladies in this kind of situation. I had specifically picked this place to avoid the exact situation that happened
You should definitely report them and if the doctor was touching you while praying then report that too. I hate it when religious assholes get a pass because they are religious or hold some level of power. Report it to make sure that the doctor can't bother people anymore. How many times has a woman been in crisis gone to that doctor for help only to be prayer and talked down to. Disgusting.
Total bs... I needes a D&C and my religious doctor refused, even though the embryo wasnt viable. He ended up telling me that I had to go to Planned Parenthood. I did and they told me that he either didnt understand what viability was or didnt want my insurance to pay for it. I saw similar complaints about him online
Actually realistically the other doctor should be fired because she is putting her beliefs over being a doctor. He is literally not trying to get any of them to make a decision He's doing what a doctor is supposed to do giving his patient information and waiting for them to decide. And keep in mind I'm not religious this is just simply the truth.
@@Pan_berrytwo He is not telling the patient that she has options. He is forcing his religious beliefs on his patients by not giving them proper advice.
I'm a pro choice because i would be a hypocrite if i wasn't but it's not an easy thing mentally to go through at all. Almost 17 years later and the memory still feels like yesterday
Exactly there's literally someone in the comments that thinks a baby should be carried regardless of age or what happened so she thinks if an 11, 12, 13, 14 etc year olds are raped and fall pregnant they should be forced to have them...
I feel like this, forcing a woman or young girl to have a rapists baby is 100 percent wrong, so all of the religious fanatics need to keep their mouths shut!!!! Religious people make me sick, because they're all a bunch of hypocrites who want to control other people's lives. Doctors who put religion above their oath as doctors shouldn't be one, because religion has no place in helping the patients at all.
@@francescathomas3502 the flood was because all of the worlds people had corrupted, non-human DNA In Genesis 6. The fallen angels had sex with human woman. They bore giants and other mythological creatures. Jesus Christ is not imaginary! He is God that was born to a virgin. His biological father is the Lord God of the Bible. His sinless blood is the ONLY THING that will get you into heaven. He is about to return in the clouds for his "saved by the blood" believers.(Rapture) If you aren't saved, you will be left on earth for the events recorded in the book of Revelation. The anti-Christ will soon appear as the dictator of the one world BEAST system. A world wide system of ONE religion and one currency. I tell you these things because without Jesus, you have NO HOPE of Heaven. We have ALL sinned. Sin cannot enter heaven. We need Jesus Christ perfect blood to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ADMIT: that you have sinned. BELIEVE: the *GOSPEL CONFESS: that you have trusted in the blood of Jesus Christ to wash away your sins. The *GOSPEL is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: DO NOT TAKE THE MARK!
2 years ago, I met a LGBTQ+ young lady who was rapped and got pregnant. She rejected abortion because of her personal beliefs. Some kind people and I provided her with everything she needed during the pregnancy. Today, she is very happy and proud of her baby boy. She has just started a new career as a Model.
im pro choice. if she doesnt want to raise the child but doesnt want an abortion, then she has chosen adoption. a proper proper professional would have acted as such.
@@kp2223 not if she doesnt want to. all im saying is the patient needs to be asked what she wants to do. if having an abortion is stressing her out anf she would rather carry and put it up gor adoption, then fine. the right choice is whatever the patient chooses.
@kp2223 the patient has *chosen* not to have an abortion. That's the *choice* she has made. There are plenty of couples desperate to adopt newborns. It is despicable of this doctor to try to make this teenager change her mind and have an abortion when that's not what she wants.
@@tommiekobain2079 having an abortion isn't stressing her out but she was scared of her parents bc as you know, sometimes religious and conservative parents are really something. Yes, she could leave the baby in an center but the trauma she will encounter giving birth? What abt it? She's also a kid, her parents are literally forcing her to give birth even tho she's still a child? I respect everyone's beliefs but the moment they tried to push their beliefs to others is when I draw the line.
This is a notice to everyone who was assaulted like me: It doesn’t have to hurt, it doesn’t have to hurt at all for it to be rape You don’t have to be physically threatened to be assaulted You can be so anxious about saying no to them that you don’t say anything at all and it is still no Being pressured to say yes is still assault If they touch you before you say yes it is still assault If they don’t give you a way out, meaning if they break you down so much you can’t say no or set the boundary and are able to expect them to listen, it’s assault If they emotionally manipulate you into submitting to them, it is assault If they put their hands on you physically without your consent, it is assault no matter how they try to spin it You don’t have to be beaten or drugged to be assaulted. You can be manipulated and mistreated to the point where saying no will not get you anywhere no matter how many times you tell them. And to those who might tell me “well you can just fight you way out” no. People who have been assaulted the way I have went through severe psychological abuse. Saying no and fighting back isn’t going to work, we feel so much crushing guilt even thinking about it. It doesn’t have to cause you pain, it doesn’t have to be brutal and or physically harmful, I understand. This is how rape is most often depicted but abusers will tear you down emotionally and take what they think is there’s, and that’s where the physical abuse starts. The emotional abuse is still abuse and it’s still rape. I hear you, I promise…
I wasn't old enough to know it shouldn't be happening, to know I could even say no to an adult. It was absolutely rape. Still gives me trauma over 30 years later. Healing is a lifelong journey.
@@tinkeramma Me too lovely, I was lucky in the sense that as a child I wasn’t va**ally assaulted just…the lesser things. It happened to me later on though and I felt the need to share my message because women (and men) shouldn’t have to question whether or not it was assault. If you were anxious or scared and you knew you didn’t want it, it was assault and nobody has any right to say otherwise. I am so happy you have stayed so strong through it all and are still finding new ways to heal, I admire you so very much🩷🖤❤️🔥
@@GreenTea0.0 Similar experience here. It's so hard on a kid, I learned that I had no agency and my own mother wouldn't protect me from him. There were other issues in my childhood too. It's definitely fkked up my romantic relationships even though overall I've done pretty well in life as far as career and finances are concerned.
Even birth is super traumatic… that poor girl is forever gonna have to know and live with the fact that she has a child out there. Who may one day want to see her, a constant reminder of that trauma. And personally if I found out I was conceived through that way I would have my own trauma and stuff to deal with. Abortion is not murder. The “fetus” can not live outside a host before the time the abortion takes place. Therefor. It’s not a baby it’s a parasite. One that was conceived in the worst way. I would not want a sick individuals dna to pro create AT ALL
@@hilarymurray8741 and why do you think a human baby has a right to live unlike the baby cows, baby pigs and baby chickens you eat daily? Yup, because of your religion
But being a female determines your value? Makes you an incubator? Only females should be forced into medical procedures against their will to save someone’s life?
You have no right to murder girls with forced pregnancy then. Them being female doesn’t give you the right to treat them like in incubators and force them into a medical procedure that can kill them.
It makes me so mad that people say G-D won't let people have an abortion. As someone who follows the old testiment do you know what it actually says!? It says if the baby is a risk to the mother than rather save the mother!. This child is a risk to her mental health and I hate this retoric people use to say G-D wpuld never allow an abortion because its not true!!
I love God and my beautiful daughter got pregnant unfortunately at 14 but I don't believe in abortion and know that her body is to young to handle an abortion so I prayed and chose to allow my daughter to have her baby. Yes it's challenging but she's a beautiful and thriving almost 3 year old. No support other than the most and biggest support God has truly been here ❤. Thank you God and Spiritual Team
I used to have horrible hallucinations, about r@pe. It started when I was 12 and continued until I was medicated early 18. I'm only just starting to live with looking at myself again and being able to wash myself without being triggered. We do recover, eventually ❤
All right, I’m gonna actually throw a statistic in here. The percentage of women who are raped who keeps the baby is actually far higher than the percentage of women who have a one night stand. Quite a few victims of rape have told their stories online and a lot of them say that keeping the baby and bringing a new innocent life into the world helped heal them some. Not entirely but it helped. You can look that up.
The number of people who have had abortions and regretted it is far lower than those who had one and did not regret it. The number of people who were denied abortions and went on to pay for it in many ways is unacceptably high besides.
@@jonatikaWwe “women who were denied abortions” paid for it. As in women who could not get the medical procedure they wanted/needed suffered higher rates of long term stress & poverty, health complications, even death.
@@averycheesypotato and women who went through with abortion suffered higher rates of depression, anxiety and suicide. And yeah, abortion also leads to health complications, even death.
@@jonatikaWwe that is false. Women who go through with abortions are significantly less likely to suffer physical complications or be need to be admitted to psychiatric care than women who go through with pregnancy & childbirth. Pregnancy & childbirth are more taxing on physical and mental health than abortion -by far!
I feel bad for both the poor girl that was raped and for the baby who's only crime is existing. No woman should be forced to be pregnant or give birth, but at the same time i think an innocent baby doesn't deserve to be aborted/killed because his/her father's crimes.
@@christianaguiare544 I agree, I would rather see both lives saved. I think it's a good thing that C sections exist, that way of giving birth is I would say less tormenting on the woman's body
An embryo is not the same thing as a baby. If it was, people would have the same energy for couples doing ivf since it kills more of them than one girl aborting
For context, in the next scene, the male doctor offers the girl an option that isn't an abortion but can induce a miscarriage in 50% of cases. He explains that it would be giving God the chance to make the decision for her. She accepted this option. The intern was judging him unfairly. The patient didn't want an abortion because she'd been raised with the belief that it was a sin. But she didn't want to carry the pregnancy either. So this option was one she could accept within her own moral code.
I saw an episode of a show called Untold Stories of the ER where a doctor successfully found a way to treat a patient that couldn’t have blood products because of religious beliefs. Sometimes medical professionals have to be creative in order to treat patients with strict beliefs.
She cannot give informed consent if she does not know what her options are. The least the doctors can do it tell her that she does have a choice and she does not have to carry her rapists child. After that, its up to her.
Fun fact: Not only is abortion not against the Bible, the only time abortion even gets mentioned in the Bible is a set of instructions how to do it safely.
A rape victim should not be forced to carry to term. It is not fair to either the victim or the consequence of the rape. The rights of the woman override that of the foetus.
Prior to the very late 60s rarly 70s abortion was only banned by christians to prevent people from hiding adultery The whole life begins at birth thing was cooked up from so e evangelist pastors who wanted to get people voting as a conservative bloc so that even though they represented a minorty of voters they could have control.. Why? desegregation
You really think giving away a child is less worse than having an abortion? Must not have heard a baby cry when they’re born. Outta here with that foolishness, they’re both equally painful cause you can never see the child again, miss out on their firsts and not get the chance to grow with them as mother and child. They’re both equally painful, they’re both equally worse. Everyone has their right to their own offspring outcome. Everyone.
My mother was a grape baby and kept and raised by my grandmother. We turned out a nice happy family. And if my grandmother had disposed of my mother, me my two brothers, my 2 nephews and their 4 kids wouldn’t be here. No one ever wants to hear the stories that turned out fine. And quite frankly we now have a culture teaching and pressuring that anyone graped Should automatically want an abortion. It’s still your kid even if it got created in an ugly way. We have girls that were taken and kept in hidden basements that had babies by their captor and they loved their babies and kept them when they were eventually rescued and could tell their stories. See the Jaycee Dugard story for example. We mustn’t be in a rush to make everything such a one sided view. It’s a complex issue with many feelings.
I don’t think a doctor should ever make decisions in their coherent, patient’s “best interest”. Who are they to say what their patients best interest are. Dr’s don’t know their patients, not in today’s medical world. A doctor should give all the facts to a patient and let them make their own informed decision. And I absolutely do believe that doctors push their own agenda on their patients.
I'd say that this is a rare outcome, good for that baby but I don't think it's how this usually plays out. Another aspect no one really talks about with a baby born of rape is you are now tethered to your rapist for the rest of your life through the child. Yes a rape even without a child makes that person a part of your life forever but having their child is a very physical tether. If for some reason you can't get a conviction the rapist can turn around and demand rights to that baby as it's father. Hell even if you do get a conviction they can still try it just to hurt you further. It has happened and I couldn't imagine being raped and then have to duke it out in family court to keep your child from having to spend alone time with a sex criminal.
Im sorry for anyone who tries to justify in "the eyes of god abortion is wrong" so you mean to tell me that god would approve of something like that? He never intended children be born in that nature.
This is exactly why abortion shouldn't be 100% outlawed. I think for general use it shouldn't be allowed except for circumstances like this. Where mom gets graped, bb has a condition that will cause the mom harm or the baby harm and won't make it past birth (stillborn etc) or if incest happens And she was manipulated. Other than that I feel like you should have to submit an application for an abortion and it can be rejected or declined.
He is right. By the end of the day, it's the patient's decision and he has to work with her choice. Forcing an abortion on a SA victim is immoral and downright evil, why force the girl under another trauma when she's already got enough on her plate? Let her decide, for once.
There should be federal law to allow the exceptions for rape, incest and statutory rape. Something less restrictive than Roe V Wade and more likely to survive any Supreme Court ruling. Roe was far too restrictive to enforce it on such a big country.
I was a victim at 19 (I’m 51 now). I remember having to talk to my mother about what happened some days later because I was concerned about consequences, this being one of them. I had a dead end job with no insurance (back then you were off your parents insurance at 18 unless you were a full time college student) and no idea how I would pay for anything. When she asked me what I’d want to do should I be pregnant, without hesitation I said, “Get rid of it…” in an angry tone. She asked if I considered adoption and I said I did but I couldn’t spend all those months knowing I was carrying a baby that came from such an act. I’m bipolar, that would have been extremely detrimental to my mental state. I also expressed my concerns that the baby could turn out to be like the person that did it to me and the world didn’t need more people like that in it. My mom realized I had thought this through logically and said we’d figure out how to get the money somehow. Thankfully, I wasn’t pregnant and never had to make that choice. But had it come to that? That would have been the choice I would have made. Would I have regretted it, even now that I have two adult children, even after losing my ovaries before I could have more children like I wanted which still hurts me to this day? No, I know I would never have regretted my choice. Not only would it have been detrimental to my mental state while pregnant, the baby could have turned out like that person (obviously not a good person if they’re raping people) and if they found out how they came to be… that could mess them up. It would have been bad all around and I didn’t want that. Babies are supposed to be born out of love for one another, not just to keep the species going. That’s not how it is anymore and hasn’t been for tens of thousands of years. I’m an atheist, but I can tell you that even if I did believe, I wouldn’t think God had anything to do with making that baby. That’s the two involved in the act and biology… And do you REALLY think God wants you to be raped?! Well then he’s not this great guy you all make him out to be, let me tell you… Religion and the government should have no say in what a woman chooses to do. It’s her body, her choice. I don’t approve of women using it as birth control, but in the cases of rape, incest, major birth defects, life and death scenarios, I think it’s the mother’s choice and no one should tell her no.
It seems to me like Neela was pushing her own belief that the girl should have an abortion when the girl didn’t want one and the parents didn’t want her to have one. Catholicism is not the only religion that exists. Being pro abortion is a religion on its own.
@plspriska I felt like Neela was trying to make sure the girl was free to make the choice that was right for her and that includes abortion if (and only if) she wants one. Her parents religious beliefs were obviously clouding her decision.
Years ago before just after actually now that I think about it, abortion became legal a certain evangelical Christian preacher, famous teacher by the way television, famous had a daughter who had been raped and found herself pregnant. Her father would not allow her to have an abortion. she committed suicide by jumping off a building. I am happy to say that I belong to a religion that has permitted abortion for over 3000 years, especially in the case of rape as well as one of the places that when women couldn’t get an abortion in America, they would come to Israel to get one because here it was legal That in Europe I mention it because when I was a kid growing up military brat, the girls used talk about a European vacation that goes so-and-so went for a European vacation until one of the girls in gym class. We were in the bathroom in the changing room. I said what the hell is a European vacation and she told me she went to Europe to have an abortion… and yes, men have been getting away with rape, and there are some women who’ve been getting away with rape as well for millennials, and why because religion and other factions, especially Christianity have basically believed that women have no rights to their body and that rape is not rape if you’re a guy, of course but that’s wrong. Rape is about dominance. It’s about taking away a person’s right to self basically it’s the equivalent of beating the crap out of the person or enslaving a person, and the idea is to crush them in the one way that they will never be able to forget or get over… and if anybody doesn’t understand that, then they’re very thick indeed it’s people like these that make me think the world would be better off if humans were not in it. The worst thing about this is that when the whole war in In Yugoslavia was happening and I say Yugoslavia former Yugoslavia was happening I can still remember hearing. I think it was either 16 minutes or what not a girl she could’ve been more than 15 they let her go from there captivity you know they locked her in a room, where they chronically raped her they took turns Believe they were Serb at the time because she wasn’t Serb she was in one of those Catholic hospitals that would not allow her to have an abortion and all she could think about was committing suicide. They said they were going to keep her there until she had the baby and all I could think of was she was kept in captivity for one group of people who abused her for another group to keep her in captivity and not give her what she requested because it was against their fundamental religious beliefs. Nobody cared about what she wanted nobody care how she felt and all I could think of if this is the world we live in then this world does not deserve to exist. This say that I edited I cannot edit. I do not have the use of my digits mainly fingers I use voice to text which is the only tool that I have to write what I feel down. I thought I needed to add this year because above it says 16 instead of 60 and I can’t correct that as in 60 minutes…
No matter her or her parent's beliefs. No matter if she had the baby, got an ab*rtion or gave it nto adoption. Whatever she did, the r@pe was still there and she'd still had to live with that trauma. "My body, my choice" says the mantra, but there's a lot to do regarding "my mental health, my choice" yet. Specially when the first one not respecting her body, her mental health and her choice was the one who put her in this mess of having to choose among these three difficult options. Even though she knew it was for the best
The religion I follow says it very clearly that if the pregnancy is from rap* abortion is allowed and in normal cases abortion is allowed too but in specific time and only woman herself will make a decision it's okay
As a woman that has been sexually abused as a child i dont agree with abortion but in 2 cases grape or life of the mother but i would of never had. An abortion but it should be up to mother in grape
My grandmother had had an abortion (when she was younger obviously, my mum was still a kid and my grandma just got divorced and thought there was no way on earth she could care for a new baby while raising the other two kids on one income etc etc).... That traumatised her for the rest of her life. Everytime she looked at my mum or my uncle, her thoughts were "i had your sibling murdered... i killed your sibling..." and she couldn't get rid of that feeling until she died.... Emergency situations aside, the topic is difficult and the result can be traumatising, no matter the choice.
@@nesmei7005 exactly no matter the situation it's always going to be in the back of it mind I would never even in a rape situation but I do believe that should be the only reason a woman should be able to even have the choice that or life of the mother is in danger
@@half.breed83so it's ok to kill a Beby only if was because of rape? It's weird, it's ok to do it if it's rape or the mother can die, so it's ok to do it, but just in the situations you decide. Weird logic
Obvious arguments asside(I'm pro choice) her body is also not developed enough to safely carry a child without major risks. It's cruel to make her go through with the pregnancy, she's just a child.
I know people think this is somehow so complicated, but adoption is a thing, I know someone who was adopted and now she herself is a mother, a great one at that.
Okay, so if you don't let your beliefs being put over your patients best interests why not let her know that the pregnancy emancipates her and she can do the abortion if she wants? It's just a new piece of information, she may answer yes or no, but gatekeeping information from someone because "they would say no anyway" is not even remotely professional
I believe that there should be a time limit. If the fetus is more than 4-5 months old. Abortion shouldnt be done. Except If there are medical complications putting the mother in risk of death. I put this as a neutral ground to avoid ideology confrontation.
In the Bible, God prescribes abortion in cases of suspected infidelity as per The Book of Numbers 5:11-5:30. Surely it can also be condoned in instances of SA as well.
@@Shagadelic487 those verses have NOTHING to do with abortion. Adultery was a capital offense, punishable by stoning. This little ceremony told the priest and husband if the accused wife was guilty or not.
@GramCracker77 Numbers 5:22 "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb MISCARRIES.” A chemically induced miscarriage is an abortion and if the miscarriage is how the infidelity is discovered it means that in at the very least the case of infidelity the bible specifically condones abortion
@GramCracker77 @GramCracker77 Numbers 5:22 "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb MISCARRIES.” A chemically induced miscarriage is an abortion and if the miscarriage is how the infidelity is discovered it means that in at the very least the case of infidelity the bible specifically condones abortion
@GramCracker77 @GramCracker77 Numbers 5:22 "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb MISCARRIES.” A chemically induced miscarriage is an abortion and if the miscarriage is how the infidelity is discovered it means that in at the very least the case of infidelity the bible specifically condones abortion
@@GramCracker77 honestly, who even came out with this stuff? Are people just unable of basic reading comprehension nowadays or what 😂 Or just never bother to even try and just keep repeating it I guess (and hope!)
All I can say is that being born of a teen pregnancy myself, my birth mom has never regretted having me. She left because of being addicted to drugs. I’ve recently found her and started totaling to her, and she said she wouldn’t change having me for the world. I won’t speak on this topic like an expert, but I will say that I’ve met people who’ve survived being aborted, and I’m glad it failed for them.
For a medical professional to push a girl to have an abortion is traumatic. This happened to me. The pregnancy was viable, and I regret the abortion every day.
I don't always agree with abortion but when the girl had a chance to have an abortion before the baby was fully formed she should have been allowed, especially since she was raped, i don't think she should have been forced to carry the baby to full term, parents think about their opinion and religion before the mental trauma she will have to go through after having the baby and giving it away , on top of being raped
As one who Was r**ed, and is religios.... you are forgiven, by Jesus, read the bible. He died for our sins to clear them.... he will understand... so don't put religion first... put you and your life first... 😘 and no one has to Do what others think is right!! Her body her life!
Rape is such a terrible, terrible thing. Victims need all the love and support they can get. No guilt, no pressure, just love, care and reassurance. In that environment, any decision they make is best. Personally, I would want to keep the baby though once conception takes place, but i have no judgment against women who are so broken by rhe experience that they dont want it. They need love and prayers.
I do hate the argument here. It's so hard for all sides. In this case the girl doesnt want the baby but also doesnt want an abortion. Her only and best choice is carry the baby to term and find a family who can't have one but wants one to adopt the baby.
@@Mandara1847 no parent would. BUT as it is legally the girls choice and she is of the legal age to make the decision then in this situation it would be in the best interest of the girl and the baby. esp where she does Not want to keep it and does Not want an abortion.
Come on, now, be honest do a little research.Stop relying on every freaking mainstream media news to program your mind into believe in BS he gave the State's back the rights.Hit and stop anybody you guys are such hypocritical liars
@@cherryindil8869yeah and he would pay state officials to outlaw it. So it doesn't matter. Way they're trying to make it a felony so It's banned in all states
Terrifying prospect. I don't believe in using this method as a form of contraception, but I believe, wholeheartedly that it's a woman's right to choose.
This doctor puts her beliefs before her patient. I was raped at 15, I chose to have her and put her up for adoption to a wonderful family. I met my daughter and explained to her why I gave her up. Everyone was telling me to abort, even my parents but I refused.You call yourselves Pro-Choice until someone disagrees with you. I choice life when I went through the rape and pregnancy. Don’t call yourselves pro choice than hate people who CHOSE the opposite of your beliefs.
No she doesn't, it's clear that the girl doesn't even know she has a choice since she got raised in a certain belief system, the girl herself even said she didn't want the baby.
So what was the point of your comment? If you feel that abortion was okay, why didn't you just do it then? What was the rationality behind not groing through with it? Was it because you KNEW its a separate living being? You act all diplomatic to fit in and yet even you, didn't have the heart to kill your own flesh and blood. That's what your child was, regardless of how they came to the world- it's your own flesh and blood and you know the truth
If someone is truly pro-choice they will respect the pregnant person's choice regardless of what it is and whether it's what they would personally choose for themselves.
What a lot of so-called “pro-lifers” don’t realize is that whatever decision a woman makes, in such situations as this, her decision is between her and God. God is *NOT* so unrighteousness, is *NOT* so unloving that he doesn’t see what’s going on. That he doesn’t see the distress she is going through. * HE DOES!* And He *IS* a forgiving God. It is *HUMANS* that are *NOT FORGIVING* and use the Bible in all the wrong ways for power.
@@E.b.d Do you realize He's a merciful God and only *HE* can *READ HEARTS* and not humans. Only He can pass judgement. Psalm 130:3-4 3 If you, Lord, kept a record of sins, Lord, who could stand? 4 But with you there is forgiveness, so that we can, with reverence, serve you. So tell me again, who is more merciful. God or humans?
@@roamiblu1833 He’s merciful, but blatantly killing someone and thinking “oh, it’s a-okay because God will forgive me later” is sick and taking advantage of His forgiveness. We can righteously judge. *Exodus 20:13:* “You shall not murder”. *Deuteronomy 5:7:* “You shall not murder.” *Psalm 139:13-16:* “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. *Jeremiah 1:5:* "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations." Stop trying to justify sinful actions.
@@roamiblu1833 My other comment got deleted it seems. Sinning with the thought process of “oh it’s fine, God will forgive me later” is taking advantage of His grace and forgiveness. He cares for children, cough cough.
@@E.b.d Yes, he does. That's why *HE* is a merciful God. Humans kill each other without a second thought but wants to go after a woman who has an abortion? Get real. If people actually read the Bible, they would be doing the majority of the things they are doing. *"Each one carries their own load."*
I think the Lady doctor is correct. She should be given her options and they should be her options not her parents options. Her parents should be made to understand that whatever she chooses those are her options and she should be given them under the circumstances. I don’t know why they didn’t also Suggest that in this way, they can use the DNA from the fetus to get her rapist if she ever chooses to get the person who did this to her prosecuted, I knew a young girl who had suffered rape had the child and was worried because her rape is who should’ve been in for longer was being released. I told her about the options that are available to keep him away from her and her child and I also told her that she better get a good lawyer cause in some states they actually allow the rapist rights and frankly I think her parents should be told that in this story but they never do do they… my opinion about this world still stands this world would be better off without any humans on it or in it and yes, I know they’re plenty of really good human beings. There should be a world just for them, but in all honesty sooner or later things will return to what they are now which is so bad that the only improvement would be for there to be no human beings
As a Christian, I don't typically support abortion. This is a horrible situation though and if she chooses to get one for her own well being I'm not even gonna judge internally. God will judge her when the time comes. He is kind and merciful and I'm sure he'll understand. (Yes i know this is a show but it unfortunately happens irl too.)
I'm sorry but it is, You are killing a baby, your body your choice, but it is what it is. If You want to tell yourselves otherwise, thats between You and God
It's easy to say rape victims can give up the baby for adoption, but what about the 9 months they have to watch their body change? The 9 months being reminded every second that something is growing inside them because they were abused and traumatised? And then there's the birth. Already stressful enough, and that's assuming there's no complications, but add to all of that the fact that what's coming out of you was something you likely never wanted to begin with, and _certainly_ not with the person who did it to you? I can't even imagine what that must do to a person. Then of course there's the fact adoption isn't instantaneous like TV/film would have you believe.... You're basically saying you want to keep a CHILD in constant trauma for the best part, if not all, of a year. How vile a human do you have to be to put that one someone?
I had an online friend. She was r*ped so badly that she has horrendous, massive panic attacks if she even looks at her n*ked body. This was at LEAST 3 YEARS after it happened. She became homeless and was living in her car. She refused to leave the city she lived in because she had all her doctors and counselors there. She knew she couldn't go through the trauma of even having to explain what happened to her to one more NEW doctor. I had offered her to come live with me. Her trauma was EXTREME. To this day, I have NO idea what happened, AND I would NEVER ask her the details. Counseling sometimes, even for years, is not enough to forget, to forgive, and figure out how to live again. I hate abusers and bullies, whether it's psychological, verbal, emotional, and/or physical.
This is terrible. I hope she is ok.
@@melissawolfenstein8174 there are things that only JESUS CHRIST can heal.
I grew up in a similar position as your friend and have similar symptoms. Had an ableist psychiatrist and they thankfully switched me to a new one. Ended up not keeping up with appointments due to not wanting to relive the pain. How am I to receive help? I’m in an impossible situation since my family was also abusive and neglectful, I needed to rely on my bf. How can my bf show me more kindness and care than my parents? How? When there were such a big part of my trauma. I’ve been feeling lately that it’s possible that nothing will be enough to make me feel like staying alive was worth it.
Once I become a mom(my dream) I’ll have so many triggers and memories pop up. I’ll always be scared to hurt my child. I’ll be able to control my actions and be a great parent, but I won’t feel like it. I’ll always feel like something about me is rotten. I’ll always feel like I haunt my loved ones and burden them-which kills me because all I want is to love and show appreciation for those who love me like my parents didn’t. I never want to disappoint them.
I feel trapped like I can’t pass in peace. I can’t even choose to pass if I wanted to. What kind of a life is this? I’m always feeling chaotic, paranoid, and unsafe. It’s debilitating. It’s traumatizing to have to explain to employers, doctors, etc and be invalidated because they can’t believe that such abuse exists. How? How can I wake up every morning to this truth for the rest of my life?
Living with my partner is so painful. He’s heard me talk like this before. I can’t look him in the eye and say this to him again every time that I feel this immense dread after how he reacted last time. He was so distraught. 😢
Unfortunately rape comes with a lifetime sentence, for the VICTIM!!!!
For everyone pushing for adoption, please realize that pregnancy/labor/delivery may further exacerbate the trauma of being raped. Also, because this is America, the rape victim shoulders the huge financial burden of medical bills should she choose to carry and birth the baby. Additionally, lots of women end up with permanent injuries from pregnancy and childbirth. Not fair for a rape victim to be pressured into enduring. Rape shouldn’t be the gift that keeps on giving. (And I say all this as an adoptive parent)
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@@LT_1856 So true!
And unless the rapist is convicted, if the victim gives birth to the baby, the rapist sperm donor then has parental rights …so the victim has to co-parent with her rapist.
@TRB277 Well there is a way not to, a person can file for full custody dye to rape even if the rapist is not convicted- all the person would need is evidence that it was a sexual assault that caused the pregnancy. Even if the courts don't charge them, if you have evidence you can file for full custody. It varies by state but the only real state not seen to do it is North Carolina. And the rapist may still be ordered to pay child support, and the child could inherit the rapists estate. Also if can vary on the relationship with the offender, such as being a stranger, a spouse, etc. There is also some programs that can help people in that situation to get the offender out of their lives. Also there is restraining orders and protection orders they could also do.
Not true, if she's goes through with adoption, they pay the medical bills and there are levels of adoption so yes I say she should put it up for adoption
So rapist gets to live and exist with no consequence but the victim MUST take care of a whole human being? HOW IS THAT RIGHT?!
And the other victim the human being gets to be killed for her fathers actions. That dosent sound like equal rights
@@TwinkleToes-mm4kb it's not a human being until it's fully formed under right circumstances. Just cause we can reproduce doesn't mean we should. Not every child born out of wedlock is perfectly healthy. And if I know I can't bring a healthy child into this world, why should I? I'd rather have another already living human being(victim) survive and thrive.
A fish has a heartbeat, just like a baby.
@@chitravi77 where is ur links that says not every child out of wedlock is not born healthy bc that's straight up lies had my kid out of wedlock she is very smart and healthy
@jniiib u should read my comments a fetus is a child take child development
A doctor took an oath to take care of a patient FIRST and FOREMOST. Religion is not part of that oath in any way in our country. If a rape victim, ESPECIALLY A CHILD, wants an abortion. It's. Their. Choice. And a doctor has no right to stop it.
Never hurt children.
5.8 thousand likes? Thanks everyone.
There are 2 patients
But she never said she wanted an abortion tho… that’s the problem I think. I think maybe both doctors are at fault here
Like for example when the the female doctor said “she doesn’t want to have the baby either anyone can see that” that means she ASSUMED she wanted an abortion. That is SO dangerous.
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Then both doctor's should go and speak to the rape victim alone. The parents are being too biased and making an already emotional and erratic young woman feel even worse. I personally believe the rape victim should be given the right to decide this by speaking to the doctor's on her own. Just how I feel.
@@NickStoehrit doesn’t show it but I believe he goes to her and gives her a pill to make her lose the baby at home
How do children born from rape feel about this?
On Grey's Anatomy, Jo Wilson was born from rape. Her birth mother was raped, she had the baby, and then left her at a fire station. Her mother didnt want her because she was a constant reminder of the trauma she'd experienced. She was bounced around foster homes her whole life. When Jo found out all of this, it broke her. She had to be put in a mental institution. I imagine most people would feel broken knowing they exist because their father sexually assaulted their mother. I'm not saying all babies conceived by rape should be aborted, but a woman should not be forced to keep a child she did not plan for. It wasn't her choice to be raped.
@@michaelcunniff6108Mkay but what if the baby is evil? You do realize babies must be raised a certain way to be successful? They can’t be successful just because they were born. Also why can’t the people ALIVE be successful already?
@@CrystalMalo as someone who was born of rape this episode was every triggering for me before was born my bio mother tried everything she could to abort me even went to plan parenthood and after seeing how they do it in videos she just left but I went through HELL before I was even born and then as I got older she always called me her RAPE BABY and left me with other family members some were amazing to me others super abusive to me until I got taken away from her when I was 6
when people are forced to go through with pregnancies they don’t want or aren’t capable for, those children end up suffering so much in life and the system. i don’t watch greys so i don’t know the situation for that case, but in general, its so hard on the mother and the child
@meganmichels87 I am so sorry that happened to you, and I'm so sorry that happened to your birth mother. Its just a shitty situation for everybody. How your mother treated you is pretty much how I imagined many women would act towards children born from rape. I'm glad you exist. I just wish it was under different circumstances! I hope all is well as it can be in your life. my hugs and prayers to you, your birth mother, and your family. ❤
Im so sorry baby girl. You are so amazing and so necessary. You are loved beautiful...be beautiful and be you❤❤❤❤@@meganmichels87
Its easy to say that she has a choice but the reality is that she was socialized and raised in a way that makes her think that the only "choice" is having the baby or going against her parents and their belief that she'd kill the baby. So actually the female doctor was right. Its not real freedom of choice especially since she's so young
Agreed
But there are many choices abortion is not the only one
@@natalieeubank4533 true but for some carrying the child and giving birth and giving it up or raising it can cause even more trauma than the abortion itself. I get the moms point perfectly and I grew up in a religious home but using religion to get the daughter to go through with the pregnancy is wrong, and she’s putting religion above her child. Her child is vulnerable and can be easily manipulated and she’s more than likely not going to guide her through the trauma and make the choice best for her.
Just my opinion
I do get your point though
@@natalieeubank4533 ur right its not but what would u rather have this child do? Go through the trama of being a catholic teen mom with ur abusers kid? Have the baby and have her older parent raise it? Have the baby and put it for adoption now that kid's life is unstable because theyr in the system and shes a 15 year old who just went through the trama of being assaulted, giving birth and giving that baby away?how is she supposed to pay the medical bills for a pregnancy and labor? thats way more expensive then an abortion or even how is she supposed to give birth she is a child she is at a higher risk of dying from having a baby. How is SHE supposed to cope?? Ik shes fictional but that is real there are otherways of course and if they work i hope she takes them. But it doesn't work for everyone. We need to think of the victim here there isnt another way hers and that baby's life is doomed or at least it not the happiest.
True. Also, all options should be offered .
"if you dont let your personal beliefs impact your judgement then you won't mind a second or third opinion. Period."
Christian doctor here. The right thing to do would be to have the girl talk to a third-party professional in private, give here some time to process and offer counseling. This is an extremely tricky situation. No one should push ANY opinion on her, from either side. It's hard enough on its own. The girl will mature pretty quickly through all of this. Respecting her voice and her decision would be affirming of her dignity.
Yes. Voluntary confrontation of trauma has been shown to be very healing. Many women who did keep the baby said it helped heal them. But, it has to be voluntary.
Abortion is murder of an innocent. It's descending to the level of the rapist. There are many other options available, especially with modern medical tech. Carrying to term is the right thing to do. But it has to be voluntary. Otherwise, it's a traumatic violation.
I believe this is why God gave us free will. And who are we to do otherwise?
Agreed. This is an extremely difficult situation for the victim and also for the hospital as well. The male doctor was being too blunt in this scene, but basically he is trying protect her from any legal repercussions from the victim’s parents should they suspect that she convinced their daughter to go against their religious beliefs.
Finally a voice of reason. ER doctors should not be making this decision for her. She will need a lot of therapy to get through this and should have a professional with experience in this area help her make this tough decision
That is essentially the female doctor wants to do. She wants to get the opinion of another Attending, a 3rd party, who can talk to the girl without bias. However, the Attending on the case seems to be appalled by the idea that his Catholic ideology is interfering with his hypocratic oath. (I think I spelled that right)
Well it would be nice if Christians READ what the Bible says about abortion instead of committing sin against the holy spirit by condemning it but you are the one who has to face God over it.
Look at all the child rape apologists trying to argue that this child who was raped should bear her rapist's spawn. 🤮
Y'all are sickos.
@@pamelaconnolly4566 You'd fail a level 1 collegiate Biology and Physiology class. STFU, clown.
@@pamelaconnolly4566 You wouldn't pass a level 1 collegiate Biology and Physiology class so you'll have to excuse me for ignoring your opinion on the matter.
@@pamelaconnolly4566 it's not a baby till third trimester. It's a clump of cells then an embryo.
@@pamelaconnolly4566 and don't come at me with the "all life is sacred" bs, I have my own kid and if I didn't love her other dad the way I did when I was pregnant, she wouldn't be here at all. Because I wanted a kid born of love not "responsibility to life"
I’m a survivor of childhood rape. I was first assaulted at 3-5 1/2 then again by my own dad 3 times in 7th grade resulting in my attempts to take my own life. I never convinced from my trauma, but I would’ve kept the baby because it’s not the baby’s fault their sperm donor was a POS. Now….
You don’t get to use the trauma of rape survivors to push abortions. First of all, less than 1% of abortions happen due to rape. 2nd, there is usually wayyyyyy too much trauma done to the uterus for the egg to implant to secure the life. 3rd, all you people talk about is the idea of having a choice whether to carry the baby or not, you NEVER talk about the effects of abortion on the woman, the EXTRA trauma on her mind and body whether it’s from the pill that forces your body into LABOR or having an abortionist rip the baby limb from limb when still inside the woman. You never talk about how an emergency delivery is actually SAFER for mom than ANY form of abortion. You never talk about how many women kill themselves because they realize too late that that baby was alive and their child and they can’t live with that pain. No NOOOOOOOOO you people are the ones who are disgusting only giving a 1/3 of the truth and making it seem like abortion is empowering, COMPLETELY IGNORING the millions of stories of women who killed themselves over the trauma of the abortion or were FORCED into abortion (telling even the receptionist that they didn’t want it and the receptionist making note of it in their file but doing NOTHING for her. From a survivor’s story I heard) when they didn’t want it. I’m angry, obviously. Please for the love of all that is good and holy, educate yourself before you give only the info that planned parenthood wants you to know. Btw even abortionists have been asked and they confirmed that they do know that that baby can feel pain and is alive when they rip them limb from limb, do they care? No. They just want their paycheck.
The male doctor might be a doctor before catholic but he's also a man before doctor. He will never ever understand how a baby can change a woman's life completely
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Bingo! And although he says otherwise, religion is something that does influence a doctor's opinions.
As will an abortion, but with childbirth, adoption or not, there is no death.
What utter nonsense. A man has to deal with paying for a baby or else go to jail . There is no reason at all to murder a baby .
@@christiansoldier77these are my childbirth injuries: pelvic muscles (levator ani etc) ripped from my pelvis and sacrum, prolapse of bladder, uterus, small intestines, and sigmoid colon, conditions diagnosed: cystocyle, rectocyle, intercussesion, pelvic compaction, chronic pain, difficulties with all basic functions, loss of happiness, ptsd. Abortion saves lives when you live in a country with the highest rates of neonatal, maternal and infant death, injury and maternal su!cide out of all developed nations. Your bias and ignorance are blatant.
As someone who was raised as a Christian and still believes the majority of our teachings, if my daughter were raped and got pregnant as a result of it, it would be her choice whether she aborted it, kept it or put it up for adoption, that girl was mentally and physically abused, she cannot fathom that she has a choice here, but when that baby is born and grows up to realize how it was conceived, he/she will grow to hate themselves.
That is an assumption. All that child needs is at least one loving parent and unknown on the birth certificate.
@@bethpowell6466well no that doesn't matter, I've seen it with my own to eyes.
Sometimes you can’t really give a choice, Gosh, I can’t imagine forcing a child to keep a fetus conceived via rape, but I also can’t imagine forcing my daughter to terminate, my step moms mother forced her to have an abortion when she was brutally assaulted at 13 years old, she wanted to keep it due to religious beliefs but her body was too fragile and my grandma made the right choice, she saved her babygirl
Perhaps you should talk to an adult that was born from this violence. I've seen many videos of people that were. Some were put up for adoption. Some the mother's kept and raised. All of them are so grateful for their lives, and sad that their mother had such a violent and hatefilled thing happen to them. I could only suspect those that might hate themselves. Would either be blaming themselves, or perhaps taught it was their fault. They are a victim too.
I mean I'm Christian and my husband was conceived of rape. His mother's family wanted to abort him if she had done that I would have the man I have today. So I don't consent to taking a life purely because of that. The man I love is alive even though something evil happened to his mother, she allowed him the choice. She let him live and he was adopted into an amazing family who raised him and loved him and finally I got to marry the man of my dreams. A great evil done to someone does not justify killing a humans regardless of what science says. If my husband was aborted I'd never have gotten to know him.
He even met his mother and she never resented him or blamed him for what happened.
The girl has a choice. She has every right to abort the baby, as awful as it sounds. The parents are so religiously twisted it’s insane.
Yes i agree they live in the dark ages
Sounds like you sick people want to “force” her to have an abortion! SHE said that she doesn’t want an abortion! “Oh but her heads just twisted! She doesn’t know what she wants”! You are truly sick people!
Or she could give it up for adoption. How will killing a baby undo a rape?
@@julieme7927it won’t but bringing a child into the world born from rape and one day might learn why their parent give them up is also unfair.
@julieme7927 Well it might sound cruel to say this but what would you rather want for your child if you have or had one?
Losing your child while they're giving birth to a rapist's baby, who took everything from them.
Or terminate the pregnancy, ensuring your daughter's survival and sparing her of the possible outcome of her dying while in labour?
Tough choice ain't it?
But he is by not allowing her to know that she has options and choices. So allowing your Catholic beliefs override your Hippocratic + moral obligation to your patient physical and mental health. 😢😢😢
FACTS!!! Say it louder for those whack jobs in the back!
the Hippocratic Oath is literally against abortion
She should not have "options abd choices" you should not have the right to commit infanticide.
Another issue is if this had taken place at a Catholic hospital. The option to have an abortion is removed entirely.
Sadly, this is the case in an increasing number of rural areas. Even in Seattle, there’s only three hospitals in the entire city where this scenario would be possible, because even the other “secular” hospitals are operated by Catholic healthcare organizations, which don’t allow abortions to be performed at ANY of the hospitals they operate.
@@RextheRebelsays a man that has no right to dictate what a woman does WITH HER OWN BODY. 🤦♀️
You know it’s not about the zygote/embryo/fetus at all (remember, it’s NOT a baby until it’s born, because science and medicine). Y’all just want to control women as much as you can.
Gotta love a misogynistic jerk…
Then why aren't you discussing all options to her, why are you shutting the other doctor from disclosing all information
He did, actually. In the next scene, he offers the girl an option that isn't an abortion but can induce a miscarriage in 50% of cases. He explains that it would be giving God the chance to make the decision for her. She accepted this option.
@@lauraelliott6909 so did she miscarry, look I'm not saying that abortion should be the be all, in situations like this but until the law force's rapist's to give up paternity rights and straighten out the foster and adoption system, such things should not be blocked
This is exactly why the United States will be destroyed... because it's laws don't respect God or innocent human life. The murder of babies is the law of the land, labeled as "choice"! Well, choices have consequences - and what goes around, comes around.
@victoriakiteley8337 They don't tell us what happens later. The whole point of this storyline is that the girl didn't want an abortion, but she didn't really want to be pregnant either. This option was one she could accept.
Sounds like she was going to try to convince her to have an abortion. Didn't say anything about adoption
Not just the rape but the irreversible body changes the pain discomfort the birth the damages birth can cause c sections too I mean the birth defects the way the child would be treat as a rapist child as an unwanted child
And that if they both live too
If I found out my mother was raped to conceive me, I could never forgive myself for existing as a constant reminder of her trauma. No matter how she’d feel, whether or not she’d moved on by then, any empathetic person would be horrified to learn they were only born bc their mother was raped and their grandparents pressured her to give birth.
It would be a realization that your mother truly loved you over herself & over the hate for the assaulter.:)
@@mariegaffney7170 it would be a realization that my mother was horribly assaulted to create me, suffered the trauma of giving birth to me and raising me, and all the while may not have even been in the right state of mind due to the brainwashing we subject women to. While you are correct to a degree, I still would not find much comfort in that. My mother should never have been assaulted, and she should have never been made to feel like she needed to have me to prove she loved a bundle of cells more than herself or her own mental wellbeing as a fully developed and conscious adult woman. This is all hypothetical thankfully, as my parents are married and have not had this issue as far as I’m aware
@@mariegaffney7170 bro i'd end myself right then and there if I knew something like that about myself. How in the world could someone think that's okay.
Why could you not forgive yourself? It would be the abuser's fault, not yours.
@@dr.bartfratze9354 children often feel guilty for things that are not their fault, the average child's mind will believe that in some way the rape was their fault. Over time the child's natural instinct to faun will decrease which is why these feelings of guilt decrease greatly if the person is told as an adult vs as a child.
‘She could just put the baby up for adoption’ people who say this don’t seem to understand that it’s not just because victims don’t want to raise their rapist’s child. Pregnancy does so much to a woman’s body, and childbirth does even more. It’s got so many side effects, possible complications and risks, and can be incredibly dangerous even resulting in death. Why should a victim have to go through that just because they were raped?
Plus let's not forget it's the US, the victim is going to be the one saddled with the medical expenses.
Yup, I'm a diabetic for the rest of my life due to having kids. I had gestational diabetes. It went away after my 1st but developed into Type 2 after my 2nd... Some of my mom's teeth fell out when she was pregnant with my brother, her 1st child.... Some women's bones get brittle. The list goes on. Pregnancy can be HELL on a woman, no matter which number pregnancy it is.
Unfortunately, the problem here is quite simply the fact that males make the rules to keep women as slave-like as possible, and they hate us. Therefore, it's so easy for them to be vile like that.
@@KoKoPisces316That's terrible
Exactly plus she's also 15 that's sick trying to make her keep the baby
Im so annoyed by telling someone who is standing up for a kid to shut up.
She was a good doctor. I agree that you are not biased because your morals and beliefs are your own.
Being a religious doctor in this case is a conflict of interest. I'm glad she requested another attending.
The act of rape is traumatic for LIFE. To see the product of this is so much worse.
Plenty of testimonies I’ve seen saying the opposite. Including my best friend who absolutely loves her kiddo.
So is going through an abortion for both mother and child.
@nunyabusiness2945 Yeah that's HER experience. How many times must people be told, not everyone has the same experience?? It's like taking to a bunch of donkeys
@jniiib killing is not sumones right or choice we can't kill ppl or pregnant women and their babies in the womb we can't kill newborns or kids so what makes it ok to kill unborn babies in the womb
Some people can love the child and some can't. There is always that possibly that the mother can hurt or even kill their child
Before you go criticizing someone like this girl, think about your mother, your sister, cousin, aunt, any woman in your life being brutally violated and traumatized and then being forced to carry a piece of the man who has given her a slew of life long problems including having full blown panic attacks if a man so much as accidentally bumps into her at the store, eating disorders for fear of accepting food or drinks, being absolutely terrified of stepping foot outside, the constant struggle and pressure of people calling you a sl*t because you were attacked, villainized. All this, body horror too, btw, while carrying a part of that man inside them. It's like being SA'd, continuously for nine f*cking months!
Yes, the examples are some of the most severe possible symptoms but that does not diminish the fact some women suffer some if not multiple of those examples.
I don't think they care about anyone else's suffering, particularly a female. Not that they will say that but that's how they act. And everything you said was true. A lifetime of suffering- even if the person is working on it alone or in therapy. It still never goes away.
Yeah, that's bad. But I wouldn't want them to carry the guilt of having ended a child on top of that either. Because every woman Ive known who has had an abortion has regretted it, deeply.
So that justifies violating the body of the unborn?
@apap4950 a fetus doesn't have rights until they are born. Until they are born they rely on the mother for everything. If the mother dies before the fetus is viable to survive in the world it dies as well.
@apap4950, Do tell me about your memories of the womb. I'd love to hear them. See like most people I dont remember what it was like in the womb my memories started at around 2 but if I stretch my imagination Id guess it was like been in a sensory deprivation tank floating in darkness not knowing anything, no itenligece, no consept of death or understanding of it, essentially bliss fully unaware. A fetus wouldnt know it was dying its not cognisent of what death is, its why we have to explain death to children cos they dont just pop out with the knowledge.
A girl of that age if shes aware of what child birth is she'll be terrifided of the pain and stress her body is going to go through, if not the shock of each new stage of pregnancy will tear them apart mentally and at the end possibly physically. Now how is that fair one has awareness ( the child your suggesting should be forced to be a mother before she is mentally ready or healed) the other limited if any at all the undborn fetus. You notice its called a fetus not a baby btw, because lets be fair a fetus dosnt devlope detectable brain waves till 7 months gestation and the 1st signs of a spark of electrical currents that power our thoughst 6 weeks so if people didnt hold up the process with pointless moralistic projections that lead imbiciles to beleve things like a cheata that saves a monkey from another predator isnt going to eat it its self once it gets hungry or that a fetus has a fear of a consept most dont figure out before they're 5, a woman or poor raped young girl could end both their potential suffering before even the spark of though occures. Also if god cares so much then given his omnipitance youd think hed find a way to give this child a second chance at life or a safe comfortable place in heaven. I mean whats the point of that level of power if you cant spare some to take care of those he cares so much for that his disiples would force a child through tourture to bring it in to the world.
Man... As a man I don't even want to think about the emotional turmoil women go through in these situations. Like not only are you still processing that you've just been forced, but also you now have to decide to keep or abort the baby, because people think that's easy because it's part of the trauma so of course you'd get rid of it, but here's the crazy part, the baby itself is innocent. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying to keep it, I'm just pointing out that for poor women going through this, it must be a complete emotional rollercoaster in the worst way. I was forced myself twice as a child, but "luckily" for me as a boy I can't get pregnant, so after the incidents I just had to heal, but big love to my fellow sisters falling victim to this disgusting crime. I know this is just a show and it's kinda weird to be so invested, but unfortunately this reflects a very real situation and that's why I'm touched by it emotionally I guess.
I get why Neela is asking for another attending. Doctors are human beings. They can't be perfect because no one is. So even if Luca (I think his name is Luca?) is sincerely trying to separate his personal beliefs from the work, he can't guarantee success. It doesn't necessarily make him a bad person, just an imperfect human.
Her choice, either way. She can decide whatever she wants.
Its hard when abrahamic propaganda has convinced her that she doesn't have a choice at all. The female doctor is right to keep pushing.
@@thewildqueen4976 actually in MANY states it is no longer a choice.
@@ruthtaylor1450 I know that
Prove it .
Nothing has changed liar, women abort their babies every day in every state , theres no ban . Some states theirs a limit becuase human lives arent a game . @@ruthtaylor1450
@@ruthtaylor1450what do you mean. I’m not from US. Can you elaborate
And she was probably told she asked for it too.
It doesn't matter who you are and nobody should force their own beliefs on anyone else because that is a form of control and doctors and Physicians and anybody in the medical industry should recognize that what you do with your body is your own business and not theirs and they should keep their mouth shut and don't try to force their beliefs on others.
😂 it’s the point of the clip we get that already
no one was forcing their beliefs
@@gabby_loves_Jesus thats not what a lot of comments are saying here sadly.
I agree so much with you and the amount of people thinking they get to decide on what even strangers do, makes me sick. And the arguments get more stupid the longer you keep on reading. No politician should get a right to ban abortions. I think it's fair for a doctor to decide whether they want to make that procedure or not.
ALL religion is a form of control. Just watch how trump controls his followers in MAGA but never does anything for them - except to ask for more money.
I was r*ped and got pregnant as a result. I told the father. He got really angry and said," get rid of it." I don't believe in termination but after getting deathly sick at 7 weeks, I had no choice but to terminate. I would've died if I continued the pregnancy. After all of that, I went on a depo shot to prevent that from ever happening again. I went against my own personal beliefs to save my life. It wasn't my time to go yet. Luckily, this happened before the Roe v. Wade overturning nonsense happened.
If it was life threatening no equal rights laws will effect medical treatment. Im sorry you couldn’t save your baby
@TwinkleToes-mm4kb So you only feel sorry for the nonexistent baby and not the person who could have died from that pregnancy?
@@taylermuilenburg5029 what? A dead baby is still existence so that’s just cruel. Also i do feel bad if someone’s life is threatened. That’s why I was giving my condolences???
@@TwinkleToes-mm4kb From your other comments, your "condolences" aren't needed.
Exactly it should still be legal in medical emergency
When her mother said do you think it's in her best interest to kill the baby? That's her mother's belief. This isn't this 15-year-old child's belief. This is something her mother is programming her to believe not the fact that her body, her choice, not the fact that this is mentally and emotionally harmful and abusive to this 15-year-old girl, not the fact that her parents are mentally abusing her. But they're looking out for God and her soul supposedly. And in what I see is a bunch of self righteous individuals pushing their beliefs on their child not giving their child the right to choose medical treatment.
Catholic here. First pregnancy at 14. And her mother is right. Learned the hard way about "choice" when I was older & now I live with that guilt of what those babies may have been when they would have been grown. I'd take being pregnant for 9 months and adopting the baby out than killing them.
@@katiebear609 sorry to say but your religion forces children to endorse r4pe culture and normalizes it to them, having the baby is harming the child for LIFE. Just because you raise a 'beautiful baby' doesn't mean you can't just force a child who's supposed to be focusing on their studies, navigate life and figure everything out before even having a child, to have one. The mother is wrong. You're also wrong.
Abortion is even more mentally damaging. We also don't know from this clip how she feels about it. It sounds like she doesn't know what she wants but the doctor is pressuring her to abort which is all too common. The doctor also shouldn't be forcing this on her
@@c.barrett5114 An unwanted pregnancy is incredibly mentally damaging anyway, regardless of what you choose to do about it. I say this as someone who kept the baby and spent years battling extreme depression because it wasn't what I wanted, and it did negatively impact my child in ways that I will never forgive myself for. I sometimes wonder if abortion would have been better for everyone. I don't think adoption is the saving grace or mental peace that everyone thinks it is. Everyone I know who gave a baby up was absolutely wrecked by it. Adoption is not always the best option for every unwanted pregnancy, much like abortion or keeping it aren't always the best options either. This is why being informed and being able to make a choice based on ALL of the options and facts is so important.
@@katiebear609this is because you likely feel the pressure from your church community. The catholic church I grew up in was much more liberal and the community never pushed the pro life agenda, many elders in their 50s/60s were very openly pro choice. I always thought it was a minority of catholic zealots who were on the strongly pro-life side making us look cruel and unreasonable like catholics didn't give a shit about the full person already living.
Any person who is raped or pregnant by incest should have a choice. My father was born from a incestuous relationship and trust me when I tell you he was mentally screwed up. I never faulted my father for his shortcomings. He and my grandmother were at each other's throats all the time and unfortunately I was used as a pawn. It pisses me off when choice doesn't matter.
Exactly!
1000%. And not only for these reasons but also for reasons such as the baby being a stillborn, or having a disease that can harm the mother or anything that could harm the mother or the baby in general
I was adopted and conceived not from rape but from socially very shameful circumstances. I thank God that my mother had the courage to have me, the honesty to give me up, and for my wonderful adoptive parents who otherwise would not have had children of their own. My adoptive parents are now deceased and I am in regular contact with my now elderly biological mother. I honor her as I honored my adoptive parents. They all made their sacrifices to allow me to have a good life.
As a former fetus, I never owned my mother's body. I never had dominion over her body. She had every right to terminate the pregnancy if she wanted. I am thankful I was born, but my mother never ever gave up her rights to her body, not to me, and not to anyone. Her giving birth to me was her choice.
Your mom sounds like God Almighty- having the power and the right to give and take away life
@@nicoobrownerYou're trying to be ironic... but that's exactly how it works.
Do whatever you want with your body, but leave others alone.
@@grenade8572But the only exception is when it's your unborn child as then it doesn't count as part of "others"? There are very few occasions where it should be allowed and one of them would be r@pe. When you are impregnated without your permission and had no power or ability to prevent it, then it's understandable. But when you willingly open your legs, you consented knowing the possible outcomes so deal with it. It's not a lifeless toy, it's growing life that has the right to grow to term and experience life outside the womb. You don't then have the right to end it's growing body and chance at life!
@@noorjahaanmohamed5916 Oh yeah, let's make a child live miserable just to punish the mother for opening her legs! You're soooooo right.
(Btw, I'm 34yo, still virgin because I don't want sex, so you're targetting me wrong saying "when YOU open your legs")
Technically you do give your body to your baby “aka “to breast feed” “not all women choose to breast feed” no they don’t but they are suppose to as nature intended.
Gosh, I can’t imagine forcing a child to get pregnant or give birth, my step moms mother forced her to have an abortion when she was brutally assaulted at 13 years old, she wanted to keep it due to religious beliefs but her body was too fragile and my grandma made the right choice, she saved her babygirl. She told me as a cautionary tale and said the abortion, her “babies death” traumatized her just as much as the rape did, I believe her, but I still believe my grandmother was right even though some people may think it was wrong to go against her wishes but she was a child, either option is not good, but you must choose the one with the least overall harm, for some victims termination is trauma and for others it’s carrying to term that is more traumatic, either way there are no winners in these situations 🕊️ my condolences to all the innocence lost to sexual violence, your worth did not decrease because of some people’s inability to see it or treat you with respect, and it was never your fault
As a rape survivor who gave up her child for adoption, I live with a clear conscious and no regret. I have enough problems sleeping because of PTSD. I certainly didn’t need to add a troubled soul into the equation. That said, I will not judge or condemn another rape survivor for making a different decision with their life.
Really sorry you had to go through that. And a very good opinion to have
Oh yes i was told this by a doctor, rhat their beleifs would never interfere. But despite all routes of bc i still got preg. And was making like 360 every two weeks after moving to a new city in a place that took 3/4 of all that, and the rest to late utilities. So when i went to look at options and brought up A as a last resort it was all "heres what church you can go to" and "talk fo this priest he'll guide you correctly" and when i was uncomfortable and said so she praid over me for over two minutes and wouldn't let me leave till she was done. This was supposed to be a Non-Religious help center for ladies in this kind of situation. I had specifically picked this place to avoid the exact situation that happened
I am so sorry this happened to you. I hope you are ok now.
You should definitely report them and if the doctor was touching you while praying then report that too. I hate it when religious assholes get a pass because they are religious or hold some level of power. Report it to make sure that the doctor can't bother people anymore. How many times has a woman been in crisis gone to that doctor for help only to be prayer and talked down to. Disgusting.
Crisis Pregnancy Centers are horrible.
Doctors overstepping their bounds… give the information, let her decide. That simple
That last sentence has hypocrisy ALLLLLL over it
You watched the show?
Total bs... I needes a D&C and my religious doctor refused, even though the embryo wasnt viable. He ended up telling me that I had to go to Planned Parenthood. I did and they told me that he either didnt understand what viability was or didnt want my insurance to pay for it. I saw similar complaints about him online
Was this physician ever reported?
Who the heck does that male doctor think he is? He is clearly putting his religious belives infront of being a doctor, he should be fired.
Actually realistically the other doctor should be fired because she is putting her beliefs over being a doctor.
He is literally not trying to get any of them to make a decision He's doing what a doctor is supposed to do giving his patient information and waiting for them to decide. And keep in mind I'm not religious this is just simply the truth.
@@Pan_berrytwo He is not telling the patient that she has options. He is forcing his religious beliefs on his patients by not giving them proper advice.
@@Pan_berrytwoyour head whistles when it gets windy, doesn’t it
@@unbowedqueen😹 that’s a great insult
@@MsBluebotnah it’s actually pretty immature
I'm a pro choice because i would be a hypocrite if i wasn't but it's not an easy thing mentally to go through at all. Almost 17 years later and the memory still feels like yesterday
Exactly there's literally someone in the comments that thinks a baby should be carried regardless of age or what happened so she thinks if an 11, 12, 13, 14 etc year olds are raped and fall pregnant they should be forced to have them...
I feel like this, forcing a woman or young girl to have a rapists baby is 100 percent wrong, so all of the religious fanatics need to keep their mouths shut!!!! Religious people make me sick, because they're all a bunch of hypocrites who want to control other people's lives. Doctors who put religion above their oath as doctors shouldn't be one, because religion has no place in helping the patients at all.
@@maggiemccauslin1084oof nightmare alright
Wait didn't God have a huge flood the wiped out all of humanity except Noah and his family? What about all the baby's then?
Thats the cruel God I rejected as a teenager.
@@francescathomas3502lol me too
@@francescathomas3502 the flood was because all of the worlds people had corrupted, non-human DNA
In Genesis 6. The fallen angels had sex with human woman. They bore giants and other mythological creatures.
Jesus Christ is not imaginary! He is God that was born to a virgin. His biological father is the Lord God of the Bible.
His sinless blood is the ONLY THING that will get you into heaven.
He is about to return in the clouds for his "saved by the blood" believers.(Rapture) If you aren't saved, you will be left on earth for the events recorded in the book of Revelation.
The anti-Christ will soon appear as the dictator of the one world BEAST system. A world wide system of ONE religion and one currency.
I tell you these things because without Jesus, you have NO HOPE of Heaven.
We have ALL sinned. Sin cannot enter heaven. We need Jesus Christ perfect blood to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
ADMIT: that you have sinned.
BELIEVE: the *GOSPEL
CONFESS: that you have trusted in the blood of Jesus Christ to wash away your sins.
The *GOSPEL is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
DO NOT TAKE THE MARK!
Same here.
Humanity was very different back then, I think they were some kind of hybrids
2 years ago, I met a LGBTQ+ young lady who was rapped and got pregnant. She rejected abortion because of her personal beliefs. Some kind people and I provided her with everything she needed during the pregnancy. Today, she is very happy and proud of her baby boy. She has just started a new career as a Model.
im pro choice. if she doesnt want to raise the child but doesnt want an abortion, then she has chosen adoption. a proper proper professional would have acted as such.
What so the child can be sexually assaulted in foster care?
So she has to let her body be forever marked by pregnancy she never consented to?
@@kp2223 not if she doesnt want to. all im saying is the patient needs to be asked what she wants to do. if having an abortion is stressing her out anf she would rather carry and put it up gor adoption, then fine. the right choice is whatever the patient chooses.
@kp2223 the patient has *chosen* not to have an abortion. That's the *choice* she has made. There are plenty of couples desperate to adopt newborns. It is despicable of this doctor to try to make this teenager change her mind and have an abortion when that's not what she wants.
@@tommiekobain2079 having an abortion isn't stressing her out but she was scared of her parents bc as you know, sometimes religious and conservative parents are really something. Yes, she could leave the baby in an center but the trauma she will encounter giving birth? What abt it? She's also a kid, her parents are literally forcing her to give birth even tho she's still a child? I respect everyone's beliefs but the moment they tried to push their beliefs to others is when I draw the line.
This is a notice to everyone who was assaulted like me:
It doesn’t have to hurt, it doesn’t have to hurt at all for it to be rape
You don’t have to be physically threatened to be assaulted
You can be so anxious about saying no to them that you don’t say anything at all and it is still no
Being pressured to say yes is still assault
If they touch you before you say yes it is still assault
If they don’t give you a way out, meaning if they break you down so much you can’t say no or set the boundary and are able to expect them to listen, it’s assault
If they emotionally manipulate you into submitting to them, it is assault
If they put their hands on you physically without your consent, it is assault no matter how they try to spin it
You don’t have to be beaten or drugged to be assaulted. You can be manipulated and mistreated to the point where saying no will not get you anywhere no matter how many times you tell them. And to those who might tell me “well you can just fight you way out” no. People who have been assaulted the way I have went through severe psychological abuse. Saying no and fighting back isn’t going to work, we feel so much crushing guilt even thinking about it.
It doesn’t have to cause you pain, it doesn’t have to be brutal and or physically harmful, I understand. This is how rape is most often depicted but abusers will tear you down emotionally and take what they think is there’s, and that’s where the physical abuse starts. The emotional abuse is still abuse and it’s still rape. I hear you, I promise…
I wasn't old enough to know it shouldn't be happening, to know I could even say no to an adult.
It was absolutely rape. Still gives me trauma over 30 years later. Healing is a lifelong journey.
@@tinkeramma Me too lovely, I was lucky in the sense that as a child I wasn’t va**ally assaulted just…the lesser things. It happened to me later on though and I felt the need to share my message because women (and men) shouldn’t have to question whether or not it was assault. If you were anxious or scared and you knew you didn’t want it, it was assault and nobody has any right to say otherwise. I am so happy you have stayed so strong through it all and are still finding new ways to heal, I admire you so very much🩷🖤❤️🔥
@@GreenTea0.0 Similar experience here. It's so hard on a kid, I learned that I had no agency and my own mother wouldn't protect me from him. There were other issues in my childhood too. It's definitely fkked up my romantic relationships even though overall I've done pretty well in life as far as career and finances are concerned.
Even birth is super traumatic… that poor girl is forever gonna have to know and live with the fact that she has a child out there. Who may one day want to see her, a constant reminder of that trauma. And personally if I found out I was conceived through that way I would have my own trauma and stuff to deal with. Abortion is not murder. The “fetus” can not live outside a host before the time the abortion takes place. Therefor. It’s not a baby it’s a parasite. One that was conceived in the worst way. I would not want a sick individuals dna to pro create AT ALL
agreed
A parasite when you don't want it. A baby when you want it. This world is wicked
Your opinion, abortion can be traumatic too
My Dad: "I just don't understand why you're not christian anymore!"
Gee I fucking wonder
Same, little to no context on your comment. So yeah, I wonder too.
@@E.b.d keep wondering.
It is science, not religion which consistently demonstrates that at conception, a separate human life is started.
@@hilarymurray8741 and why do you think a human baby has a right to live unlike the baby cows, baby pigs and baby chickens you eat daily? Yup, because of your religion
Not me over here wondering what in this video could make me choose not to be a Christian anymore....May God have mercy on all our souls.
I believe that its the individuals
Choice what they do in that situation regardless whether they are religious or not
How you are conceived does not determine your value.
True; I’ve known two children of SA. One being my late cousin.
But it doesn’t give you the right to use someone else’s body without permission and force them into a medical procedure so you can live.
But being a female determines your value? Makes you an incubator? Only females should be forced into medical procedures against their will to save someone’s life?
Did you learn that when you were raped?
You have no right to murder girls with forced pregnancy then. Them being female doesn’t give you the right to treat them like in incubators and force them into a medical procedure that can kill them.
It makes me so mad that people say G-D won't let people have an abortion. As someone who follows the old testiment do you know what it actually says!? It says if the baby is a risk to the mother than rather save the mother!. This child is a risk to her mental health and I hate this retoric people use to say G-D wpuld never allow an abortion because its not true!!
I love God and my beautiful daughter got pregnant unfortunately at 14 but I don't believe in abortion and know that her body is to young to handle an abortion so I prayed and chose to allow my daughter to have her baby. Yes it's challenging but she's a beautiful and thriving almost 3 year old. No support other than the most and biggest support God has truly been here ❤. Thank you God and Spiritual Team
Shes also a little bit young to have a child
Oh and dont forget how the trauma can cause millions of complications with the pregnancy as well.
I used to have horrible hallucinations, about r@pe. It started when I was 12 and continued until I was medicated early 18. I'm only just starting to live with looking at myself again and being able to wash myself without being triggered.
We do recover, eventually ❤
No, we don't. It influences every aspect of my life, even after 55 years
I do hate that this story is a reality in a lot of cases.
All right, I’m gonna actually throw a statistic in here.
The percentage of women who are raped who keeps the baby is actually far higher than the percentage of women who have a one night stand.
Quite a few victims of rape have told their stories online and a lot of them say that keeping the baby and bringing a new innocent life into the world helped heal them some. Not entirely but it helped.
You can look that up.
The number of people who have had abortions and regretted it is far lower than those who had one and did not regret it.
The number of people who were denied abortions and went on to pay for it in many ways is unacceptably high besides.
@@averycheesypotatowym payed for it? Most women who didn’t have an abortion and had the child are now glad they didn’t (yes, there’s also a study)
@@jonatikaWwe “women who were denied abortions” paid for it. As in women who could not get the medical procedure they wanted/needed suffered higher rates of long term stress & poverty, health complications, even death.
@@averycheesypotato and women who went through with abortion suffered higher rates of depression, anxiety and suicide. And yeah, abortion also leads to health complications, even death.
@@jonatikaWwe that is false. Women who go through with abortions are significantly less likely to suffer physical complications or be need to be admitted to psychiatric care than women who go through with pregnancy & childbirth.
Pregnancy & childbirth are more taxing on physical and mental health than abortion -by far!
I feel bad for both the poor girl that was raped and for the baby who's only crime is existing. No woman should be forced to be pregnant or give birth, but at the same time i think an innocent baby doesn't deserve to be aborted/killed because his/her father's crimes.
Thank you for speaking up, it is a very tricky situation morally speaking and it is a shame both sides have to suffer this
@@christianaguiare544
I agree, I would rather see both lives saved. I think it's a good thing that C sections exist, that way of giving birth is I would say less tormenting on the woman's body
@@natasapap7936if so you think c section is easier than vaginal delivery , you are misinformed
An embryo is not the same thing as a baby. If it was, people would have the same energy for couples doing ivf since it kills more of them than one girl aborting
An embryo is not a baby though. If it was, yall would cry about ivf but nobody cares about it killing millions of embryos
For context, in the next scene, the male doctor offers the girl an option that isn't an abortion but can induce a miscarriage in 50% of cases. He explains that it would be giving God the chance to make the decision for her. She accepted this option.
The intern was judging him unfairly. The patient didn't want an abortion because she'd been raised with the belief that it was a sin. But she didn't want to carry the pregnancy either. So this option was one she could accept within her own moral code.
I saw an episode of a show called Untold Stories of the ER where a doctor successfully found a way to treat a patient that couldn’t have blood products because of religious beliefs. Sometimes medical professionals have to be creative in order to treat patients with strict beliefs.
That just sounds like an abortion with extra steps.
She cannot give informed consent if she does not know what her options are. The least the doctors can do it tell her that she does have a choice and she does not have to carry her rapists child. After that, its up to her.
Fun fact: Not only is abortion not against the Bible, the only time abortion even gets mentioned in the Bible is a set of instructions how to do it safely.
What section and number part of the Bible is that in?
@corilia9529 Numbers 5 11-28
A rape victim should not be forced to carry to term. It is not fair to either the victim or the consequence of the rape. The rights of the woman override that of the foetus.
I would like to add one more point of view. Just because she doesn't want the baby doesn't necessarily mean she wants to have an abortion.
The girl has a choice. If she wants to have it, you can not push abortion.
But her parents are pushing her to keep it.
Amd obviously she didn't want it and the parents were forcing her to keep it based on their religious beliefs
So she also can adopt kids if she wants? Even if she's a kid?
No media literacy huh
@@AryanBlitzkrieg-c7vand that nurse lady is very much pressuring her to abort the baby
Ffs just let the woman choose and leave your imaginary friend out of this shite. It's not 1320.
Ffs just don't murder the baby and leave your relativist moral values with no basis in any objective truth out of this shite
Prior to the very late 60s rarly 70s abortion was only banned by christians to prevent people from hiding adultery
The whole life begins at birth thing was cooked up from so e evangelist pastors who wanted to get people voting as a conservative bloc so that even though they represented a minorty of voters they could have control..
Why? desegregation
You really think giving away a child is less worse than having an abortion? Must not have heard a baby cry when they’re born. Outta here with that foolishness, they’re both equally painful cause you can never see the child again, miss out on their firsts and not get the chance to grow with them as mother and child. They’re both equally painful, they’re both equally worse. Everyone has their right to their own offspring outcome. Everyone.
My mother was a grape baby and kept and raised by my grandmother. We turned out a nice happy family. And if my grandmother had disposed of my mother, me my two brothers, my 2 nephews and their 4 kids wouldn’t be here. No one ever wants to hear the stories that turned out fine. And quite frankly we now have a culture teaching and pressuring that anyone graped Should automatically want an abortion. It’s still your kid even if it got created in an ugly way. We have girls that were taken and kept in hidden basements that had babies by their captor and they loved their babies and kept them when they were eventually rescued and could tell their stories. See the Jaycee Dugard story for example. We mustn’t be in a rush to make everything such a one sided view. It’s a complex issue with many feelings.
I don’t think a doctor should ever make decisions in their coherent, patient’s “best interest”. Who are they to say what their patients best interest are. Dr’s don’t know their patients, not in today’s medical world. A doctor should give all the facts to a patient and let them make their own informed decision. And I absolutely do believe that doctors push their own agenda on their patients.
My friend's daughter had a baby from SA. That little girl is that family's greatest love.
Doesn't always end that way. Each victim must decide for them.
doesn't mean you decide for other women
I'd say that this is a rare outcome, good for that baby but I don't think it's how this usually plays out. Another aspect no one really talks about with a baby born of rape is you are now tethered to your rapist for the rest of your life through the child. Yes a rape even without a child makes that person a part of your life forever but having their child is a very physical tether. If for some reason you can't get a conviction the rapist can turn around and demand rights to that baby as it's father. Hell even if you do get a conviction they can still try it just to hurt you further. It has happened and I couldn't imagine being raped and then have to duke it out in family court to keep your child from having to spend alone time with a sex criminal.
@mondobizarro1868 Uh…yayyyy?
Im sorry for anyone who tries to justify in "the eyes of god abortion is wrong" so you mean to tell me that god would approve of something like that? He never intended children be born in that nature.
He did encourage to “take” women from lands they conquered and turn them into wives and concubines though.
I always feel resentment when people say a pregnancy from SA is God's will. So, God approves of grape? I don't think so.
This is exactly why abortion shouldn't be 100% outlawed. I think for general use it shouldn't be allowed except for circumstances like this. Where mom gets graped, bb has a condition that will cause the mom harm or the baby harm and won't make it past birth (stillborn etc) or if incest happens And she was manipulated. Other than that I feel like you should have to submit an application for an abortion and it can be rejected or declined.
What movie/show was this?
ER
He is right. By the end of the day, it's the patient's decision and he has to work with her choice. Forcing an abortion on a SA victim is immoral and downright evil, why force the girl under another trauma when she's already got enough on her plate? Let her decide, for once.
I knew watching this video the comments were going to be spicy. 🌶️
There should be federal law to allow the exceptions for rape, incest and statutory rape. Something less restrictive than Roe V Wade and more likely to survive any Supreme Court ruling. Roe was far too restrictive to enforce it on such a big country.
I was a victim at 19 (I’m 51 now). I remember having to talk to my mother about what happened some days later because I was concerned about consequences, this being one of them. I had a dead end job with no insurance (back then you were off your parents insurance at 18 unless you were a full time college student) and no idea how I would pay for anything. When she asked me what I’d want to do should I be pregnant, without hesitation I said, “Get rid of it…” in an angry tone. She asked if I considered adoption and I said I did but I couldn’t spend all those months knowing I was carrying a baby that came from such an act. I’m bipolar, that would have been extremely detrimental to my mental state. I also expressed my concerns that the baby could turn out to be like the person that did it to me and the world didn’t need more people like that in it. My mom realized I had thought this through logically and said we’d figure out how to get the money somehow. Thankfully, I wasn’t pregnant and never had to make that choice. But had it come to that? That would have been the choice I would have made. Would I have regretted it, even now that I have two adult children, even after losing my ovaries before I could have more children like I wanted which still hurts me to this day? No, I know I would never have regretted my choice. Not only would it have been detrimental to my mental state while pregnant, the baby could have turned out like that person (obviously not a good person if they’re raping people) and if they found out how they came to be… that could mess them up. It would have been bad all around and I didn’t want that. Babies are supposed to be born out of love for one another, not just to keep the species going. That’s not how it is anymore and hasn’t been for tens of thousands of years. I’m an atheist, but I can tell you that even if I did believe, I wouldn’t think God had anything to do with making that baby. That’s the two involved in the act and biology… And do you REALLY think God wants you to be raped?! Well then he’s not this great guy you all make him out to be, let me tell you… Religion and the government should have no say in what a woman chooses to do. It’s her body, her choice. I don’t approve of women using it as birth control, but in the cases of rape, incest, major birth defects, life and death scenarios, I think it’s the mother’s choice and no one should tell her no.
I liked Luka, I did, but Neela was bang on here, he was compromised by his beliefs and he knew it.
It seems to me like Neela was pushing her own belief that the girl should have an abortion when the girl didn’t want one and the parents didn’t want her to have one. Catholicism is not the only religion that exists. Being pro abortion is a religion on its own.
@plspriska I felt like Neela was trying to make sure the girl was free to make the choice that was right for her and that includes abortion if (and only if) she wants one. Her parents religious beliefs were obviously clouding her decision.
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Years ago before just after actually now that I think about it, abortion became legal a certain evangelical Christian preacher, famous teacher by the way television, famous had a daughter who had been raped and found herself pregnant. Her father would not allow her to have an abortion. she committed suicide by jumping off a building. I am happy to say that I belong to a religion that has permitted abortion for over 3000 years, especially in the case of rape as well as one of the places that when women couldn’t get an abortion in America, they would come to Israel to get one because here it was legal That in Europe I mention it because when I was a kid growing up military brat, the girls used talk about a European vacation that goes so-and-so went for a European vacation until one of the girls in gym class. We were in the bathroom in the changing room. I said what the hell is a European vacation and she told me she went to Europe to have an abortion… and yes, men have been getting away with rape, and there are some women who’ve been getting away with rape as well for millennials, and why because religion and other factions, especially Christianity have basically believed that women have no rights to their body and that rape is not rape if you’re a guy, of course but that’s wrong. Rape is about dominance. It’s about taking away a person’s right to self basically it’s the equivalent of beating the crap out of the person or enslaving a person, and the idea is to crush them in the one way that they will never be able to forget or get over… and if anybody doesn’t understand that, then they’re very thick indeed it’s people like these that make me think the world would be better off if humans were not in it. The worst thing about this is that when the whole war in
In Yugoslavia was happening and I say Yugoslavia former Yugoslavia was happening I can still remember hearing. I think it was either 16 minutes or what not a girl she could’ve been more than 15 they let her go from there captivity you know they locked her in a room, where they chronically raped her they took turns Believe they were Serb at the time because she wasn’t Serb she was in one of those Catholic hospitals that would not allow her to have an abortion and all she could think about was committing suicide. They said they were going to keep her there until she had the baby and all I could think of was she was kept in captivity for one group of people who abused her for another group to keep her in captivity and not give her what she requested because it was against their fundamental religious beliefs. Nobody cared about what she wanted nobody care how she felt and all I could think of if this is the world we live in then this world does not deserve to exist. This say that I edited I cannot edit. I do not have the use of my digits mainly fingers I use voice to text which is the only tool that I have to write what I feel down. I thought I needed to add this year because above it says 16 instead of 60 and I can’t correct that as in 60 minutes…
No matter her or her parent's beliefs. No matter if she had the baby, got an ab*rtion or gave it nto adoption. Whatever she did, the r@pe was still there and she'd still had to live with that trauma. "My body, my choice" says the mantra, but there's a lot to do regarding "my mental health, my choice" yet. Specially when the first one not respecting her body, her mental health and her choice was the one who put her in this mess of having to choose among these three difficult options. Even though she knew it was for the best
I will forever believe that religion and culture should not get in the way in medical procedures whatsoever it's extremely ridiculous.
Ones beliefs are part of a person. To prioritize the physical over the spiritual is a personal choice that not everyone agrees with or wants.
The religion I follow says it very clearly that if the pregnancy is from rap* abortion is allowed and in normal cases abortion is allowed too but in specific time and only woman herself will make a decision it's okay
As a woman that has been sexually abused as a child i dont agree with abortion but in 2 cases grape or life of the mother but i would of never had. An abortion but it should be up to mother in grape
My grandmother had had an abortion (when she was younger obviously, my mum was still a kid and my grandma just got divorced and thought there was no way on earth she could care for a new baby while raising the other two kids on one income etc etc)....
That traumatised her for the rest of her life. Everytime she looked at my mum or my uncle, her thoughts were "i had your sibling murdered... i killed your sibling..." and she couldn't get rid of that feeling until she died....
Emergency situations aside, the topic is difficult and the result can be traumatising, no matter the choice.
@@nesmei7005 exactly no matter the situation it's always going to be in the back of it mind I would never even in a rape situation but I do believe that should be the only reason a woman should be able to even have the choice that or life of the mother is in danger
@@half.breed83so it's ok to kill a Beby only if was because of rape? It's weird, it's ok to do it if it's rape or the mother can die, so it's ok to do it, but just in the situations you decide. Weird logic
Obvious arguments asside(I'm pro choice) her body is also not developed enough to safely carry a child without major risks. It's cruel to make her go through with the pregnancy, she's just a child.
I know people think this is somehow so complicated, but adoption is a thing, I know someone who was adopted and now she herself is a mother, a great one at that.
Okay, so if you don't let your beliefs being put over your patients best interests why not let her know that the pregnancy emancipates her and she can do the abortion if she wants? It's just a new piece of information, she may answer yes or no, but gatekeeping information from someone because "they would say no anyway" is not even remotely professional
I believe that there should be a time limit. If the fetus is more than 4-5 months old. Abortion shouldnt be done. Except If there are medical complications putting the mother in risk of death.
I put this as a neutral ground to avoid ideology confrontation.
Yep, I believe it's within like the first 3 ish months that you can have it, but later than that, it is in case of a medical emergency or issue.
In the Bible, God prescribes abortion in cases of suspected infidelity as per The Book of Numbers 5:11-5:30. Surely it can also be condoned in instances of SA as well.
@@Shagadelic487 those verses have NOTHING to do with abortion.
Adultery was a capital offense, punishable by stoning. This little ceremony told the priest and husband if the accused wife was guilty or not.
@GramCracker77 Numbers 5:22 "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb MISCARRIES.” A chemically induced miscarriage is an abortion and if the miscarriage is how the infidelity is discovered it means that in at the very least the case of infidelity the bible specifically condones abortion
@GramCracker77 @GramCracker77 Numbers 5:22 "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb MISCARRIES.” A chemically induced miscarriage is an abortion and if the miscarriage is how the infidelity is discovered it means that in at the very least the case of infidelity the bible specifically condones abortion
@GramCracker77 @GramCracker77 Numbers 5:22 "May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb MISCARRIES.” A chemically induced miscarriage is an abortion and if the miscarriage is how the infidelity is discovered it means that in at the very least the case of infidelity the bible specifically condones abortion
@@GramCracker77 honestly, who even came out with this stuff? Are people just unable of basic reading comprehension nowadays or what 😂 Or just never bother to even try and just keep repeating it I guess (and hope!)
All I can say is that being born of a teen pregnancy myself, my birth mom has never regretted having me. She left because of being addicted to drugs. I’ve recently found her and started totaling to her, and she said she wouldn’t change having me for the world. I won’t speak on this topic like an expert, but I will say that I’ve met people who’ve survived being aborted, and I’m glad it failed for them.
For a medical professional to push a girl to have an abortion is traumatic. This happened to me. The pregnancy was viable, and I regret the abortion every day.
Im sorry you regret it. Its definitely not something you can just get through without regret(I have no personal experience on the matter).
You'd rather die than abort a baby that could've killed you?
@@JJ-pr4dp I didn't realize that I ever said my life was in danger.
I don't always agree with abortion but when the girl had a chance to have an abortion before the baby was fully formed she should have been allowed, especially since she was raped, i don't think she should have been forced to carry the baby to full term, parents think about their opinion and religion before the mental trauma she will have to go through after having the baby and giving it away , on top of being raped
As one who Was r**ed, and is religios.... you are forgiven, by Jesus, read the bible.
He died for our sins to clear them.... he will understand... so don't put religion first... put you and your life first... 😘 and no one has to Do what others think is right!! Her body her life!
Rape is such a terrible, terrible thing. Victims need all the love and support they can get. No guilt, no pressure, just love, care and reassurance. In that environment, any decision they make is best. Personally, I would want to keep the baby though once conception takes place, but i have no judgment against women who are so broken by rhe experience that they dont want it. They need love and prayers.
I do hate the argument here. It's so hard for all sides. In this case the girl doesnt want the baby but also doesnt want an abortion. Her only and best choice is carry the baby to term and find a family who can't have one but wants one to adopt the baby.
You do not seriously think, those parents if hers would go with that approach?
@@Mandara1847 no parent would. BUT as it is legally the girls choice and she is of the legal age to make the decision then in this situation it would be in the best interest of the girl and the baby. esp where she does Not want to keep it and does Not want an abortion.
they say women should have the right to choose then proceeded to attempt to force her into believing she needs one. pure hypocrite
I feel like this is why abortion is hard, as well as when rape is involved, because she does and doesn't want this and her own mom feels stuck.
You're also a hypocrite because they're trying to influence her not to get one. So you just contradicted your own argument lmao
Because she does need one?? Hello she's 15
@ agreed. No 15 year old should ever have to go through an abortion. It’s very cruel 😔
@@emmy_grace if she wants to get one she should be allowed to do so. No discussion
If Trump is elected, she wouldn’t even have a choice.
In most states, she wouldn't have one, either. My state, Kentucky, is one of them, because of course. 😒
You know that states decide this stuff? XDDD
Come on, now, be honest do a little research.Stop relying on every freaking mainstream media news to program your mind into believe in BS he gave the State's back the rights.Hit and stop anybody you guys are such hypocritical liars
@@cherryindil8869yeah and he would pay state officials to outlaw it. So it doesn't matter. Way they're trying to make it a felony so It's banned in all states
Terrifying prospect. I don't believe in using this method as a form of contraception, but I believe, wholeheartedly that it's a woman's right to choose.
No matter the beliefs, it is the PATIENT’S choice.
This doctor puts her beliefs before her patient.
I was raped at 15, I chose to have her and put her up for adoption to a wonderful family. I met my daughter and explained to her why I gave her up.
Everyone was telling me to abort, even my parents but I refused.You call yourselves Pro-Choice until someone disagrees with you. I choice life when I went through the rape and pregnancy. Don’t call yourselves pro choice than hate people who CHOSE the opposite of your beliefs.
No she doesn't, it's clear that the girl doesn't even know she has a choice since she got raised in a certain belief system, the girl herself even said she didn't want the baby.
Hey i just dox you, you wasn't rape at 15 :))) and i think your imaginary kid hate you too
So what was the point of your comment? If you feel that abortion was okay, why didn't you just do it then? What was the rationality behind not groing through with it? Was it because you KNEW its a separate living being? You act all diplomatic to fit in and yet even you, didn't have the heart to kill your own flesh and blood. That's what your child was, regardless of how they came to the world- it's your own flesh and blood and you know the truth
If someone is truly pro-choice they will respect the pregnant person's choice regardless of what it is and whether it's what they would personally choose for themselves.
@lynnebucher6537 that's the thing, the girl does not realize she has a choice, she CLEARLY does not want that baby.
What a lot of so-called “pro-lifers” don’t realize is that whatever decision a woman makes, in such situations as this, her decision is between her and God. God is *NOT* so unrighteousness, is *NOT* so unloving that he doesn’t see what’s going on. That he doesn’t see the distress she is going through. * HE DOES!* And He *IS* a forgiving God.
It is *HUMANS* that are *NOT FORGIVING* and use the Bible in all the wrong ways for power.
You do realize that God is against MURDER right? He doesn’t turn a blind eye on a soul, a life, that He created in the womb that get’s murdered.
@@E.b.d Do you realize He's a merciful God and only *HE* can *READ HEARTS* and not humans. Only He can pass judgement.
Psalm 130:3-4
3 If you, Lord, kept a record of sins, Lord, who could stand? 4 But with you there is forgiveness, so that we can, with reverence, serve you.
So tell me again, who is more merciful. God or humans?
@@roamiblu1833 He’s merciful, but blatantly killing someone and thinking “oh, it’s a-okay because God will forgive me later” is sick and taking advantage of His forgiveness. We can righteously judge.
*Exodus 20:13:* “You shall not murder”.
*Deuteronomy 5:7:* “You shall not murder.”
*Psalm 139:13-16:* “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
*Jeremiah 1:5:* "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."
Stop trying to justify sinful actions.
@@roamiblu1833 My other comment got deleted it seems.
Sinning with the thought process of “oh it’s fine, God will forgive me later” is taking advantage of His grace and forgiveness. He cares for children, cough cough.
@@E.b.d Yes, he does. That's why *HE* is a merciful God. Humans kill each other without a second thought but wants to go after a woman who has an abortion? Get real. If people actually read the Bible, they would be doing the majority of the things they are doing. *"Each one carries their own load."*
I think the Lady doctor is correct. She should be given her options and they should be her options not her parents options. Her parents should be made to understand that whatever she chooses those are her options and she should be given them under the circumstances. I don’t know why they didn’t also Suggest that in this way, they can use the DNA from the fetus to get her rapist if she ever chooses to get the person who did this to her prosecuted, I knew a young girl who had suffered rape had the child and was worried because her rape is who should’ve been in for longer was being released. I told her about the options that are available to keep him away from her and her child and I also told her that she better get a good lawyer cause in some states they actually allow the rapist rights and frankly I think her parents should be told that in this story but they never do do they… my opinion about this world still stands this world would be better off without any humans on it or in it and yes, I know they’re plenty of really good human beings. There should be a world just for them, but in all honesty sooner or later things will return to what they are now which is so bad that the only improvement would be for there to be no human beings
As a Christian, I don't typically support abortion. This is a horrible situation though and if she chooses to get one for her own well being I'm not even gonna judge internally. God will judge her when the time comes. He is kind and merciful and I'm sure he'll understand. (Yes i know this is a show but it unfortunately happens irl too.)
This is why abortion mustn't be banned and religious fanatics mustn't have any power in society
An abortion is not murder.
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No doctor should be forced to perform an abortion against his beliefs.
Say it louder for the people in the back!
I'm sorry but it is, You are killing a baby, your body your choice, but it is what it is. If You want to tell yourselves otherwise, thats between You and God
The mother is right. There is no reason to kill a child.
But killing the girl with forced child birth is okay???
You're disgusting
It's the woman's right to choose, in my belief.
I love the fact that they ignore adoption of the baby as an option.
It's easy to say rape victims can give up the baby for adoption, but what about the 9 months they have to watch their body change? The 9 months being reminded every second that something is growing inside them because they were abused and traumatised? And then there's the birth. Already stressful enough, and that's assuming there's no complications, but add to all of that the fact that what's coming out of you was something you likely never wanted to begin with, and _certainly_ not with the person who did it to you? I can't even imagine what that must do to a person. Then of course there's the fact adoption isn't instantaneous like TV/film would have you believe....
You're basically saying you want to keep a CHILD in constant trauma for the best part, if not all, of a year. How vile a human do you have to be to put that one someone?