Your whole theory of Dess creating a “darker” fountain reminds me of how Ralsei mentions that the fountain in Castle Town is made of “Pure Darkness” and that this Pure Darkness is the reason why all darkners can live in Castle Town. if your theory is true, then I would wager that Dess created the fountain in Castle Town. This could also explain why Ralsei is called the Dark World Prince because the original ruler/Queen of Castle Town is Dess.
What if... What if a fountain of pure darkness is created where an already existing fountain resided before? After all, if we go with the Dragon Blazers theory, in the first one the Girl falls into darkness after losing the Boy, and if we presume that the Dark Fountain in the school was the first ever created in Hometown (or maybe the second one, and the first was that which gave life to Oberon) then it makes sense that after Asriel died, she tried to go "deeper" into the dark world trying to bring him back not only in the only place she had easy access to, but also where Asriel died. Ralsei is in Castle Town and the pink door with the winged heart is too after all... And would also explain why Ralsei stopped Berdly right before the Cyber world fountain. Yes, the Roaring, because he knows that it can happen when too much darkness is released, and there can only be one fountain of Pure darkness because otherwise the Titans will awake (coincidently, what's on the left of castle town? What are those cliffs made of??) but also, because he could've disappear right there and then like Dess
@@tawagoto_lol by that i mean that they have the same eye pattern of the Titans, and maybe the Cliffs are the firts clue towards the "where would they emerge from" if the Roaring happens. My guess is (going by Jaru's interpretation of the maps of Deltarune, and that we might be skipping several "zones" both in Hometown and the Dark Worlds between transitions from room to room) that they would emerge in the space between the scool and the "librarby" IF the Howling Cliffs are the original Titans Graveyard...
Oh, man, Wacky Jaru's got another theory about Kris. I bet he's gonna say Kris absorbed Dess's soul! Just like he said it happened to Asriel in his other theory. Oh Jaru, how many people is Kris gonna be possessed by at this rate? Are Chara and Gaster in there too? HA HA HA 🤣
I felt kinda bad when he said it, because that was actually very close to my legitimate thoughts and was the reason I had been avoiding this video till now!
The line "two friends starting out as neighbours" line in Skies Forever Blue could reflect Dess and Asriel's relationship if Asriel is the one she lost
I was so damn sure you're going to say that Dess never existed, and all the Noelle's memories of hear were somehow twisted memories of Kris. Well played Jaru, well played.
Oh boy, I will be honest this one seems more of a crack theory to me. But the way he just passionately explains it,,,, it makes it so much more compelling! His slight madness somehow makes me think it's just a little more probable to happen than other theories! Amazing story Fanfic writer in disguise!
@@Rudxain I doubt it matters if you've already fallen behind the known reality, The laws of physics rather apply in our universe, not in another, much less outside
I know it's not really in the vein of what this video wanted to claim, but when I saw the video title my mind immediately wandered to remembering Ruddy calls Kris "Krismas" and Dess' full name is "December Holiday"
I think the line that "The Mage has left the party" in DB3 is foreshadowing of Toriel's role in chapter 3. In chapter 2, our mage Ralsei was separated from Kris by Susie, but then we got another mage in Noelle. So I think in the next chapters, our future guest party members are going to be mage/fighter duos: Toriel/Undyne and, if the theories are correct, Cattie/Jockington. In chapter 3, Toriel is going to be our mage, and like in Undertale she's going to have Fireshock in contrast to Noelle's Iceshock. But Toriel's going to be separated from the group, and then Ralsei will join in that moment. Because my theory is that, just like Ralsei took some time to get to the Cyber World, he's gonna take time to reach the dark world in the Dreemur house. Think about it, Ralsei took a few minutes to reach Cyber World, an amount of time directly proporsional to getting from the school to the librarby. But getting from the school to Kris' house takes longer, maybe we're going to spent half of chapter 3 with Toriel as our mage, but she's going to be captured, and then Ralsei finally arrives. And besides, imagine how awkward it would be to have Ralsei and Toriel meet, when he looks so much like a Dreemur, more specifically Asriel. And add the awkwardness of Toriel most definetely trying to take the leadership while Ralsei will insist Kris is the party leader. It would be a clash between them, so it's better that Ralsei joins in when Toriel is out the picture
Based off of this I have crafted a new and much less relevant theory Due to the Dark World being opened up at night, Ralsei will sense it while he’s asleep. Meaning he could very well show up on the adventure in his pajamas. This also means that Ralsei could be in a different outfit each adventure, based on the situation
I can't believe the answer to gaster's experiment was so obvious. The experiment was "what if it could get darker than dark?" And he kept going further into the dark world inception until there was nothing but darkness left. 3 layers Dark World Darker World Yet Darker World Guess the void was a real thing after all.
a detail about the deltarune bow that makes the connection to Skies Forever Blue stronger, in case people thought that was a stretch: the girl's sprite shows the bow being both pink and white, and in Deltarune, if you take the Pink bow and White bow to that mender hammer character, you get the Twin Bow, which Noelle says is nostalgic. it's a pink and white bow, just like the girl's sprite
Personally I think Dess is the knight. She isn’t opening the fountains for a malicious reason, but in order as a cry for help. She’s trapped likely in a space between the dark and the light, and because of this she can only exist in tiny bits of each. Like I feel for the real world she can only exist in dark areas which is why every fountain, not made by Kris, had atleast one dark space for her to exist in. Though I feel she’s unable to fully exist in the dark world and only exists either as a shillouette or misshapen being. I know what someone might say “what about the King meeting her?” Personally I feel the King likely might’ve only seen her form that could exist in the dark world and then combined with his personal hatred for the lightners probably used meeting Dess as an excuse to overtake the other kings and become what he wanted. I mean the other kings don’t seem strong so I doubt the Spade King needed outside help. I’m willing to bet due to being in the code she’s so unstable she can’t really exist in either realm for long, and also gives Gaster, who’d have MUCH more experience in the code, an in to share his truth with Jevil and Spamton.
@@Plumpus3545 well yeah that’s why I assumed that maybe he just used the Knight as an excuse to do shit to go against the lightners. Even if Dess didn’t talk to him and only slightly appeared in the world he used that event to justify his decisions. Think like how old kings used bits of the Bible to justify crusades
I'm not sure that I'm remembering this wrong but didn't the world in Skies Forever Blue get more and more corrupted as the Girl tried harder and harder to tell her feelings to the point that the world crumpled, plus in the end didn't she get to confess her love to then cut to the title screen being quite glitched and her repeating a line from the song emplying she herself somehow got reset back? The implication this has may be even more connected to Deltarunes theme of "Your choices don't matter" ,the Weird Route could even be this exact same thing where you slowly start corrupting the world itself by taking unconventional, out of the way actions to the point that the world might still reset but not by the conventional way it was meant to reset. Dunno, maybe Jaru's crazyness is starting to rot my brain way too much to the point that I start creating insane theories and predictions.
I wholeheartedly believe that Dess (or whoever that person from the code is) is trapped inside Bratty's house Maybe we should start talking about her, too, since she has seen Asriel, Dess, Kris and Noelle growing up, she's spent a lot of time with them and she definitely knows some important stuff
@@KynG5 If I remember correctly, scratching noises can be heard from inside her house. And it's very dark inside, also there's eyes in her windows Other than that, Bratty has a few dialogs about Asriel (Dreemmurs are very religious people, so they went to church every day after Azzy kissed Bratty, yada yada), and about "you kids". I think it was implied that she was talking about Kris&Noelle, but maybe that were Kris, Monster Kid, Snowdrake and others Either way, Bratty acts weirdly sinister, both in Deltarune and Undertale. I think she could have even influenced Catty's bad behavior in UT, because DR Catty hadn't said or did a single bad thing, she was too nice to everybody
People live in that house though, don’t you think they’d notice each other? And their window is open, Dess would be able to see the light from it. She definitely isn’t literally inside the house, but she could be somehow related to it.
@@AshenDust_ I mean, if your stuck in someone's Basement you'd still be able to hear most likely. I really like this theory because it doesn't try to make things overly complicated, it's fact based even if those facts don't sound "correct" to us because it's "lame".
I have no idea how you’re going to disprove the Noel blogs that imply that Dess, Asriel, Noel and Kris hung out, and are therefore different people. Looking forward to the video! Edit: Wait, so Dess opened a dark world in a dark world causing the roaring, the timeline reset, then Kris gained save/load ability? How does everyone remember Dess existing and have memories of her if she got lost in the previous timeloop?
I agree with you, this theory, that I'm not gonna even listen to it due to how much the subject of this theory is just grasping at straws with no solid proof, judging by the comments, yeah, this theory is invalid. If the timeline reset erased Dess from the timeline, that can't be true, because Noelle still remembers Dess. If she truly was erased from the timeline, Noelle wouldn''t remember her. Here's an example to get across my point: In the end of the anime Madoka Magika, Madoka effectively both exists and at the same time, does not exist in the timeline anymore due to her wish in the final episode to undo witches from the timeline by her own hands. Because of that, although she has some influence on the timeline to undo the witches existing, nobody but the one girl who did several resets prior to the first episide with her power to find a way to avoid Madoka's death or witch transformation, remembers her at all. Not even Madoka's own mom remembers her due to Madoka not existing in the current timeline. If in Deltarune, that Dess erased herself from the timeline when resetting, Dess shouldn't be remembered by Noelle, since she no longer exists. Furthermore, we should not use the factor of the "Save Ability" from Undertale and use it on Deltarune for a theory. Since Determination technically, does not exist in the same way in Deltarune as in Undertale. And, the fact monsters are implied that they CAN bleed in Deltarune, when in Undertale, monsters cannot while humans can, makes this entirely theory full of plotholes. Undertale must not be used as priority for data to make a Deltarune theory, allot of things are different between the two universes Toby has created. This is some Matpat-style bad theory-making. Seriously, I feel the theories made by JaruJaruJ are not well crafted lately. From what I've seen of his theories, and the comments section here, this video is not worth me watching it. I mean no attacking of offense towards JaruJaruJ, I'm just stating my thoughts on the lack of solid evidence and unnecessary excessive use of dark themes in theories. As a person who loves lore, and has a strong sense of thought of logic, I simply cannot watch this theory video, and cannot praise it. Again, the dark-themed theories coming from this channel, just gives me the "Matpat Gametheory" vibes of bad theory making. Cherry-picking details to supporting the claims in theory making, while ignoring the solid evidence that makes the theory fall apart, and excessive use of dark themes to give the theory more "edge", yeah, that's something Matpat would do. That bad theory creating style is why I have not been watching any of Matpat's videos at all for a very very long time. And I fear this channel is treding on the same wrong path that downspirals into bad effort theory making. I don't hate Jaru, but these theories are going on the same dark path Matpat started to fall down ever since his infamous theory video of "Sans is Ness" Undertale theory (that has aged pretty poorly, now that we know what the "Don't Forget" thing in the secret room is, that Sans has in Undertale) that divided many people off from respecting the guy, and has not learned from since. People can like the theories from Jaru as of late, I'm just not seeing proper logic to hold up these theories lately. I won't attack others for liking stuff I don't, I'm not selfish like that. This is not an attack on Jaru, this is me expressing what I see wrong with these theories, and my own opinions. I really don't want him to fall down the same dark path Matpat has fallen to. And fyi, if anybody is replying to this comment with nasty comments in the very near future, do not bother, I ignore most negative replies to my comments
The idea is as follows: - In the original Deltarune timeline, Dess discovers her powers and makes a save. - Something terrible happens, and she reloads the save to try to prevent it. (From here everything that happened BEFORE the save still happened, but everything that happened AFTER it did not.) - She tries to prevent the tragedy, but it happens again, so she reloads again. Repeat ad naseum. - Eventually, she gets the idea to make a dark fountain within a dark world. - She falls into the code and loses her reset abilities. At this point, no more resets occur until Kris becomes determined enough. *This is the current timeline that we play through in game, where Dess mysteriously disappeared.* - No one but Dess remembers all the timelines she reset over. Think about Flowey’s or Frisk’s resets. They don’t restart the ENTIRE UNIVERSE back to the Big Bang; Asriel always dies, no matter how many times Flowey reset, and Frisk always falls underground. The timeline is (typically, there are exceptions) only reset to the last save point, and characters still remember what happened BEFORE that save point. Edit: The Angel’s reset, in Jaru’s theories, can do whatever Toby needs from a narrative perspective to get the game back to the beginning of chapter one. MAYBE it puts the universe back several hundred years to when the Angel first came into being, and everything plays out the exact same, including Dess’s resets, until it gets to chapter one, because the characters have had their memories wiped and thus would act the same way. MAYBE the Angel has the power to literally send the universe back to the Big Bang and ensure everything plays out exactly the same way until chapter one. MAYBE the Angel has a “save” it can load right before chapter one, and that’s what it’s going to do. Regardless, all the history mentioned in Deltarune from before we play, including the deaths of Alvin and the Non-Amalgamates, Asgore becoming police chief and getting fired, and all the adventures Kris, Azzy, Noelle, and Dess went on (including the ones only Dess remembers because she reset over them), still happens. Then a player gets thrown into the mix and we can change stuff.
One line I think is overlooked is "feelings flowing out across the screen until the battery runs dry" this not only proves that she is aware that she is in a game, but I believe that she isn't referring to the console battery but the battery that keeps the save intact (yes that was a thing with old cartridge games) and that is why the save is wiped at the end of the video and why her voice went back to what it was at the beginning. I don't nesserly think that when she falls into the darkness it represents going into the dark world, it could represent that that version of her is gone, or at least her memories are
I love how you tied in the whole ‘what if it could get darker than dark’ piece! I’ve been trying to find an answer to that particular line for a bit, and your explanation for it makes sense even if it wasn’t Dess who did it.
Thank you! I'm glad you noticed that! I didn't want to be too overt in my hints at Gaster, since I know that triggers people, but I had to give my two cents on that dang chair. xD
Kris, in the dark world, is BLUE. There's already a theory that Dess and Kris explored somewhere (Likely the Shelter), and became trapped in a Dark World, leading to Kris's trauma and Dess disappearing. Could it be Boy is representing Kris, and Girl as Dess. While not romantic love, but a more familial love, that the tragedy was Kris being killed or seriously hurt while in the Dark World, and Dess broke the dark world trying to save Kris? She succeeded, but fell deep within the cracks of reality.
For the thumbnail, I did suspect Kris wasn't Dess in a literal sense. Glad to see I was right. I didn't realize that there was multiple Dragon Blazer games that could tie together, good job on picking that out!
Oh my god, if this theory clicks, Ralsei leaving the group will honestly break me in half, I'm gonna be a sobbing mess I'm honestly terrified right now.
@@lyrimetacurl0 well, seeing as how if you don't have Devilstail equipped before you start Chapter 2, you can just retrieve it from the hole in sliding hill left to Castletown, same might go for the Dealmaker, but we won't know where it'll be until Chapter 3 comes out
The thumbnail didn't fool me because I know your theories are never that simple lol That being said, every theory you talk about always makes the upcoming roaring seem more and more heartbreaking, which is exactly what Toby would go for. Well done
I think that the asriel is dead theory is wrong because in kriss' room in their cybercity room has the search collage vacation when but maybe it was toriel searching that
god, the implication that Dess is speaking through Spamton (using him as a puppet) and he seems to be entirely aware that she's trying to contact Kris... it just hits good, but what does that imply about him... could he have been purposefully turned into a puppet because it's the only way for someone like dess or gaster to communicate with and affect the dark world?
OOOO! I like that! Since Gaster is likely in a place similar to Dess, that could be why she's able to speak through Spamton! She's, liking, intercepting whatever signal Gaster uses to communicate with Spamton! That's awesome! :O
8:58 haven’t watched the rest of the video yet but… “her choices never mattered” you are saying the girl is most definitely a representation Dess and Kris and Dess are almost in the exact same situation and so this plays into Kris’s storyline. Edit;dhsgbsgsbhhusgughwihsgygsuysfuysb I called ittttttttt
My best guesses are that Toby is: A) Terrified that I'm predicting his entire game. B) Grateful that I'm misleading the community and distracting them from the true plot. C) Has no opinion because he doesn't know I exist. C. is the most likely option. xD
Interestingly, in my opinion at least, Noelle only mentions the mage leaving the party if you aren't in the "Weird Route". In the Weird/Snowgrave Route, the mage isn't mentioned at all. I find it curious.
You know you misrepresented the plot of the video somewhat, right? The girl in skies forever blue DOES ultimately archieve her goal, even though the battery runs dry and the world hollowed out of it's memories.
My reading of the story was that she failed to successfully achieve her happily ever after. It's available to watch on RUclips so it's not like I'm trying to trick anybody. xP
You know, when I watched Skies Forever Blue, I was pretty excited that Toby was doing original non-Undertale/Deltarune stuff. Part of me is a bit disappointed that it ended up being part of the canons, but another part of me is excited by new Deltarune stuff. This is probably one of the only times I've really felt this way and I think that made me realize how much I want Toby to do some one-off songs/stories. Also, you should have done a Game Theory intro for that title.
@@henrykado yeah, a lot of the "connections" being made feel like huge stretches honestly lmao, but I feel like we're so desperate for anything new connecting to the main deltarune canon at this point that we don't really give much of a shit if it actually connects or not
13:40 I don't believe that sprite is a save point considering it was in the exact spot that her ribbon was, it's more likely that its a reference how objects becomes stars when travelling between the light and dark world
Queen implies that if someone were to create a dark fountain while already inside a Dark World it'd just expand the Dark World they're in, not create a "Darker World" ("Unfortunately the world they created is trapped within the confines of the library, if only we had a way to make more darkness we might be able to cover the whole world...")
Yeah, and Queen didn't know anything about what happens when you create Dark Fountains until very recently, and she admits that she didn't know about the Roaring. So she's a pretty poor source for Dark Fountain info. xD
I mean, both of these could still be true. As seen by one of the top comments (Made by tepig28), it could be that Dess made the dark fountain on Castle Town. It might work in a way where it's possible to make a double dark fountain, but in consequence the person to do it will be locked inside whatever place Dess is in.
@@simplymax1337 So if we seal the Grand Dark Fountain, then Dess will be free, at the cost of the Balance between LIGHT and DARK going in favor of the LIGHT and causing an equivalent of The Roaring.
In the end of Skies forever blue, the girl, after making MAJOR changes in the story via glitches, finally gets a happy ending. What if we will also have to do that in deltarune? Like, after beating the 7th chapter, you have to play from the first one agian but this time mess with the code as well (on the save file you beat ch7)
This is seriously some of the coolest shit. It's so terrifying. What makes it all the more unsettling is it's characters you know too. Jokes aside this is definitely the sans is ness of deltarune, and I haven't even gotten past the intro. Edit: yeah this theory sucks lmao, atleast with sans is ness it was funny, you just took the few probably correct theories about dess and added a lot of incorrect parts to it, even "kris killed asriel" was better than this honestly.
Cool, someone besides me who sees what's wrong with this theory. Good theory-making relies not only on favorable evidence to support the theory, but you must also take into account what clashes with your theory. As, with ignoring what makes your theory invalid while only taking favorable evidence, you're opening several plotholes in your theory. Like, as an analogy: Say you took a test in school. And you answered a few questions correctly, but ignored several questions on the sheet of your test. By doing so, you're opening clear points of your schoolwork, that harms your grades of that test, the teacher won't just take your work and ignore the questions in the schoolwork and only take into account what questions you answered and answered correctly. The teacher would get in trouble for not docking your grade for skipping questions on the sheet you didn't want to answer and treating it as if it was a perfect A grade when you only made the effort to correctly answer a few of the questions on the sheet
i think that the darker world (the dark world crated from the fountain that was made in the dark world) is literally just the code and i think the scratching might be someone writing the code for the game because when ur writing on paper or a whiteboard or a chalkboard it sounds like scratching.
Could be! Or, since the original quote is "Dark, Darker, Yet Darker," it could be that "Dark" is in reference to the Dark World, "Darker" is in reference to the abyss that Dess has ended up in, and "Yet Darker" is in refence to the code and is where Gaster likely is.
15:37 MAN I get your pain on this one, having someone deconstruct the part of the argument that's just you having a little fun speculating, EVEN when you specify that, is beyond frustrating.
Kris is an interesting name because Santa Claus can also be referred to as "Kris Kringle." Another Christmas related name (Kris-mas as well). And I say this because the members of Noelle's family's names are obviously all Christmas themed (Noelle, Rudolph, December, Carol (maybe)).
Okay, for the "Sounds like Scratching" thing, this could be a toby joke and dess is really in the house in hometown that is dark and has cat eyes in the window (cats scratch and stuff)
4:10 this isn't a guitar! that is Omocat and Toby fox SONA's on the BG. Why would all the objects be well drawn while only the guitar doesn't look like the respective object.
@@JaruJaruJ Also adding a little bit to your theory, Ralsei learning Fire magic makes sense, since toriel will join us in Chapter 3. I doubt that those two fluffly living beings will encounter each other (both as a form of joke, like at every moment they are from 1 step to see each other, something happens to prevent it. and because this would break toriel's mind.) But if those had an encounter, This could possibly happen.
you know what would be suuuuper messed up? if you could only rescue dess on the weird route. (this has no credence whatsoever, the thought just occurred to me and it would be so HORRIBLE if it were true)
Oh man, only Jaru can come up with something like this. I’m ready for the Jevil and spamton level of insanity. At this point I’m 90% convinced Jaru is getting his theories from garbage noise* coming out of the darkness…
honestly, i still dont know if im entirely convinced by the whole overarching theory that exists here, but the "dess made a dark world inside a dark world" part is very (very) interesting to think about, along with the idea that kris is set to tackle the problem dess failed to. i could go either way on whether kris will succeed or not, though. perhaps the soul, an entity that carries the actions of a non fictional person is enough to break the cycle, but maybe the fact that deltarune has already been scripted mean that the cycle is never meant to be broken. it may be a little early to say, and with how many surprises toby seems to have up his sleeve at any given point, i wouldnt get too attached to any theory of mine.
i thibk your asriel/ralsei theory would be more compelling if kris accidentally puched asriel down a flight of stairs during an arguement they had, hanging his body to frane it as a suicide. ps. the real theory was the one piece we alonged the eay
Got an epiphany while in the shower, the great place for ideas: Taking from my theory that each chapters' guest party members are a fighter/mage duo, i noticed that, that pretty much also describes Kris' (and therefore our) main party members: Susie and Ralsei. It was pretty strange to me that we were separated from our party, and then got another in Noelle, only to get the option of either lifting her up or sink her into becoming our weapon that we use to kill the other fighter, who was Berdly. But then it came to me: If there's weird routes in the other chapters, and all of them focus on manipulating the mage into killing the fighter, why is that so? What if the possibility of the weird routes are actually grooming us, and KRIS, into one day manipulating the main mage Ralsei into killing the main fighter Susie? It's pretty clear that Susie is the wild card in the game, we can't completely control her, she does as she pleases, and she's an inspiration for Kris to rebel against the SOUL. So maybe whatever is behind the curtains is trying to get us into breaking Kris into submission by manipulating us into breaking them by breaking other people, so when the REAL weird route, the one that's meant to go against the Delta Rune prophesy, they are sotraumatized that they will just proceed into pushing Ralsei into hurting their best friend, just like Noelle could no longer recognize Berdly.
@@JaruJaruJ it's like sans said: we're not doing this out of malice, we're doing it because the option is there, and because we can, we gotta For what other reason the weird route is in a game about being friends with everyone, but to build up to showing us the consequences of gamer mentality? And it would still not matter if the timeloop is true, but to us it would because we'll be conscious we did that to everyone we were supposed to befriend
you amaze me. like i actually agree with you & i didn't expect that when i saw the thumbnail on twitter. you're wild. idk i think it's crazy enough to match Toby's energy
The thing is, “Skies Forever Blue” had a happy ending, I would say, with the girl using the weird reset thing she does as a chance to go through the journey the way she always wanted and finally finish her final line. If you took the whole thing as foreshadowing for Deltarune, that would actually bode well for the future. (EDIT: I forgot about the credits-scene-thing, which does line up a bit better with your idea, I admit.) That said, though, please do keep making these. I *sincerely* disagree with the majority of your conclusions, but it’s fun, nevertheless. C’ya next theory.
Yknow, even if every single theory you've done is disproven in time, the sheer potential of the narrative you've made is enough to warrant some praise. I can imagine that an AU called Jaru!Deltarune would be made just to fulfill it.
Thanks! You're not the only one to suggest something like that. A couple people have discussed the possibility of making a fan-game if the theories don't pan out, although I doubt it'll really happen. The thought is sweet though! Glad my theorized narrative is interesting to people. x)
The name Skies Forever Blue, I think is a reference to the song “Pollyanna” a song that released with mother one (earthbound beginnings) so cool trivia 🙃
I really hope that the end of Deltarune isn't a reset because it's not gonna make me cry for 3 hours, but then again I want it to end like that because it'll make people cry for 3 hours.
I get a feeling Toby Fox will pull a Yoko Taro on us and hit us with tragedies only to offer us the equivalent of Nier Automata's ending E (sacrifice something important to the player in order to save everyone) Edit: I think "the (fireshock) mage who leaves the party" might actually be Asriel, who's left to go to college. We know the Dreemurs can do fire magic, so I think it'd make sense if Asriel could use fire magic in the dark world too.
I think Noel searching for the glitchy door in the ice palace could hint at a bit more. Assuming an ice palace becomes a location we can explore in a future chapter, and it contains an elusive door that leads to the man himself Gaster, finding it could lead to rescuing or helping Dess in some way if Gaster provides some assistance with his knowledge and unique status as being scattered across space and time. But how can we find this door, and what if it could do something else? The first thing that I thought about when the thought of exploring an ice palace in a future chapter, is how and where would such a thing come to be? If it manifests from something in the light world being transformed by a dark fountain, it would make sense if this place or object was cold, and is a large enough feature of a whole room if we go by the logic dark worlds have functioned by before. The coldest places/things that come to mind to me are some kind of refrigerator. We've seen several already in the game, one in Kris's home, one in Asgore's place, and some fridges in Sans's shop. What's also interesting to me is two of these three locales are directly related to the eggs you obtain in both chapters. (If you want my opinion, I think the ice palace would take form in Sans's shop, since it has two refrigerators that take up more space, and it links Sans to Gaster just that much more) And this is where my little theory gets interesting. To lay it out for you since you may have caught on to what I'm thinking, if by some circumstance Kris is able to obtain every egg given by the man behind the tree, and then deposit them somewhere in the light world, either that would be the key that enables Kris to find the door and enter it and make contact with Gaster. Or, even crazier idea here, these eggs hold not just a special connection to Gaster, but rather they are necessary to complete some sort of goal Gaster has that could be related to breaking free of his condition or even assist in breaking free of the Angel itself. But wait, there's more! (Spoilers for Chrono Trigger I guess because I'm about to go on a tangent) I remember hearing about these eggs as a potential nod to Chrono Trigger, and I just could never get that out of my head, so this could just be me. To explain, the titular Chrono Trigger is itself an egg with special power, and you receive it in Chrono Trigger in a similar manner as Deltarune, from a mysterious man in a blank void of space (not to mention the location in Deltarune is also reminiscent of the place where the Chrono Trigger is used, as both feature a lone tree). And it only goes deeper. Who exactly is this mysterious man in Chrono Trigger? Well, it's revealed that he is the Guru of Time from the age of Antiquity, named Gaspar. That name sounds sort of familiar, doesn't it? Not to mention this Gaspar was involved in an experiment in search of infinite power that flung him across time. Not unlike how Gaster himself was shattered across space and time after falling into the CORE, which is also a huge source of energy. I hope I don't need to make the parallels any clearer. But what am I trying to say with all this stuff from a completely different game? We all know Toby Fox was greatly influenced by Earthbound, but another iconic JRPG of that era was Chrono Trigger. I'm not going to pour over everything Toby Fox has said or done to find any other mentions of or references to Chrono Trigger though, so take all of these comparisons and extrapolation with a healthy serving of salt. But I don't think it's TOO out there to say that Toby may have also been inspired by that game, too. I think it may be possible to extrapolate a few ideas from Chrono Trigger and apply them to Gaster and these eggs. Mainly that Gaster is giving you these eggs so something can be done with them that has to do with time, space, dimensions, darkness, etc. Now, nobody can definitively say what these eggs will do, if anything. Perhaps it will function as a way to "save" Gaster and return to his normal state or to save Dess, like how the Chrono Trigger saved Crono. (Spoilers for Chrono Cross too, i guess) Maybe it will grant passage to a special place where you can fight the Angel like how the Time Egg worked in Chrono Cross to let you fight the Time Devourer. Who knows? Probably Toby Fox. But I think this quote by Gaspar himself from Chrono Trigger sums up this whole egg business quite nicely: "It is pure potential. By unleashing a specific course of events, it can have a powerful effect on time."
I'd love it if Deltarune ends up including some sort of device (like the Epoch in Chrono Trigger) to let you travel back to the previous chapters' Dark Worlds (without reopening the fountains) and do things you couldn't before using new items. That would be awesome!
This reminds me of that one line in the FAQ about how there's only gonna be one ending - "There's something more important than reaching the end." I wonder if this is going to be a bit like a Majora's Mask situation where your side quests and decisions factor into the fine details of the ending, but not the overall narrative. Fantastic theory, this is the first video I've watched from you. I look forward to watching your other theories :3
I can’t be the only one who notices a connection between Christmas and aggresive actions in the undertale and deltarune universes I think Snowdin towns the Last time anyone believes you can change (I haven’t done the undertale genocide route myself) And well Noelle… that doesn’t need explaining I don’t think
One thing I find interesting about this theory is that you didn't mention how 'Skies Forever Blue' ends, with the Girl getting her happy ending before the world ends. It's just fascinating that there is so much evidence there to help or deny the theory and yet you never brought it up. If I was to use the events at the end of the song for the theory I would say that it hints towards there being a way to save Dess, a way which involves breaking down the game in a way such as the 'Weird Route' where at the end we manage to get Dess her happy ending. Only for it to be ripped away as the world is reset once more, and she is trapped again in the darkness. I believe that whilst the world may be doomed to reset, there will be a way to get some form of bittersweet ending, Toby will be able to pull on our heartstrings even more if we can save everyone, only for it all to be reset with the wonderful tune of 'Don't forget'
I just read the ending as a bittersweet "She says it, but it doesn't matter, and everything gets reset," sort of thing. I didn't think it contradicted anything about the gist of the narrative I portrayed.
@@JaruJaruJ I agree, it doesn't contradict anything, I just thought it would be interesting, well done on all these theories and I hope to see where you go next.
Saving Dess on a very difficult and glitchy quest? kinda reminds you about the Weird Route, doesn't it? while not exactly "glitchy" it certainly is difficult and it also changes some details in the Hometown slightly while not affecting the end of the chapter, this theory is certainly interesting to think about, If it ends up being true i wonder how it would play out.
i know this is really late but something i noticed is that skies forever blue loops; the final verse is a more distorted version of the first verse. thought you might find that interesting
Great video I did not believe the theory that you were making in the beginning about the angel reseting time. But after this came up the angel theory seems to have more evidence for it. Personal theory: I have theory that faster is Toby fox because there outside of time and space of the game world and at the beginning of deltarune that could easily be Toby fox talking to you. When his twitter account was talking before chapter 1 it has the same font as the beginning of deltarue. Toby was sending out the messages to us to get to play deltarune and then talking to us once we open up the game.
I like this theory, since it'd create a parallel connection to Dess and Gaster, both being people who experimented with darkness to solve a crisis. (The Core, Castle Town.) presuming your theory is correct, it'd also explain why you can save/load in the underground with the most determination yet for some reason the rest of the world's a non factor into who gets control over the power: Entry 17 implies the creation of a dark fountain for the purpose of experimentation. And if not, then I have to ask the question: How does Flowey have control over the file whatsoever when there is a human scaling the mountain exterior about a week's away from reaching the underground with more Determination than them? Why couldn't Chara or Asriel load the file when they realized the plan went wrong? If something's causing it to be proximity based, then it sure as hell can't be the barrier triggering the file inside since that still raises the question of Chara/Asriel's fusion since they did happen to die within the barrier at the last second. Problem with the theory: If Dess was trying to solve for a method to stop the Angel from resetting everything, how come she isn't dragged back out whenever the Angel does reset? It'd imply the point is much earlier on the timeline if Dess had the knowledge of the Angel's existence. Does being trapped in a pure dark fountain result in your complete and utter removal from the timeline, explaining Gaster's disappearance when he falls into the Core which is presumably being powered on a Dark Fountain as evidenced by the Dark Pillar sprite names and Entry 17's existence? The only logical conclusion is if the theories you have been proposing is true, Gaster must've existed at some point AFTER Chara and Asriel died, and that he did something involving Dark Fountains which resulted in the creation of the save points, and the barrier was keeping the dark world trapped so that when it was destroyed it could spread and allow for a much more grand scale of a reset.
Can’t wait for the rest of Deltarune to come out just to realize future Jaru’s theory about how Gaster is Noelle and Dess is Ralsei while Susie is a figment of Kris’s imagination was actually true
So I wonder if Dess is related to what Ralsei talks to Kris about when the player is not controlling them? Maybe Kris ripping out their soul has something to do with carrying out that plan and giving Dess back the power to save/load
My theory: Dess and Asriel discovered Dark Worlds via the closet, and Dess got the idea to make a Dark Fountain within a Dark World. However, this caused her to fall into the Darker World, also causing a mini-roaring which trapped Asriel in the Closet Dark World, turning him into Ralsei and making the Closet Dark World strong enough to be the main one.
Been playing Deltarune again and honestly I think the Holidays are meant to parallel the Dreemurs and thus hint at who the final boss is. The Dreemurs lost their kid in Undertale and he ended up being the final boss, and the Holidays lost their kid who I personally think will end up being the final boss. December (if we accept the Skies forever blue theory that she tried to mess with the code after coming to understand the game) was confined by the rules of the game world and broke free for a single freedom based desire, much like all of the secret bosses. The SBs all try to break free from the game world because of a single freedom based desire that they went mad trying to accomplish. They are all found "out of bounds" in a way and were discarded in a way. If we accept the SFB theory, then December is the exact same. But different in that she was discard because of her freedom over the code of the game. The Knight has proven to have control over Dark Fountains, and whenever their activated the Dark World surrounding has lore to it already and in Ch.2 proves they're connceted for some odd reason. This can he explained bt December being in the code of the game, adding on to these dark worlds within it. Makes sense that she can hack Spamton to call for help because the Dark Worlds (by the logic of the darkness in the music video and the website) are "Dark" thus much closer to December than the Light world. The Lightners even fall into the Dark worlds whenever they're entered, which makes it make sense that the Knight would activate dark fountains; December is trying to bring someone closer and closer so she can finally escape. Spamton comments that the voice was calling to Kris, which is someone December is already familiar with, makes sense she would call out to them. This is what I think the Roaring truly is as well; Falling. The Light world will fall into the Dark world and everything will fall out of bounds... If December is insane as the other secret bosses because of her lack of freedom yet abundance in isolation, why wouldn't she want to cause the Roaring (if that's her goal)? If everything falls out of bounds; she won't have to be alone in the dark anymore. Don't forget; she's with us in the dark. This is a personal theory, I'm all ears to others' opinions or thoughts :)
Deltarune knows it's a video game, just like Undertale did. Dess fell out of bounds, and now the game is trying to function without her, reusing the assets associated with her in odd places. Idk, I'm not convinced myself, but there's my 2 minute theory
Your whole theory of Dess creating a “darker” fountain reminds me of how Ralsei mentions that the fountain in Castle Town is made of “Pure Darkness” and that this Pure Darkness is the reason why all darkners can live in Castle Town. if your theory is true, then I would wager that Dess created the fountain in Castle Town. This could also explain why Ralsei is called the Dark World Prince because the original ruler/Queen of Castle Town is Dess.
That's a fantastic addition! That makes a lot of sense too! Great comment!
Or maybe he's called prince because the Dark Kingdom is a Principality like Monaco or Liechtenstein
What if... What if a fountain of pure darkness is created where an already existing fountain resided before?
After all, if we go with the Dragon Blazers theory, in the first one the Girl falls into darkness after losing the Boy, and if we presume that the Dark Fountain in the school was the first ever created in Hometown (or maybe the second one, and the first was that which gave life to Oberon) then it makes sense that after Asriel died, she tried to go "deeper" into the dark world trying to bring him back not only in the only place she had easy access to, but also where Asriel died.
Ralsei is in Castle Town and the pink door with the winged heart is too after all... And would also explain why Ralsei stopped Berdly right before the Cyber world fountain. Yes, the Roaring, because he knows that it can happen when too much darkness is released, and there can only be one fountain of Pure darkness because otherwise the Titans will awake (coincidently, what's on the left of castle town? What are those cliffs made of??) but also, because he could've disappear right there and then like Dess
@@joseffblake the cliffs are made of magic like everything else in the dark world (If we are going to use the jaru theory)
@@tawagoto_lol by that i mean that they have the same eye pattern of the Titans, and maybe the Cliffs are the firts clue towards the "where would they emerge from" if the Roaring happens. My guess is (going by Jaru's interpretation of the maps of Deltarune, and that we might be skipping several "zones" both in Hometown and the Dark Worlds between transitions from room to room) that they would emerge in the space between the scool and the "librarby" IF the Howling Cliffs are the original Titans Graveyard...
Imagine dess together with gaster chatting casually over tea in the dark abyss
Now I want art of it. xD
@@JaruJaruJ I saw some art like that somewhere but with Chara there too. Don’t remember where I saw it, though.
@@JaruJaruJ Delta traveler hard mode implies it actually
@@aclaymushroomwithaberet7084 I love that scene. She's kinda just chilling out in a bizarro world with a lunatic scientist and is just vibing ig
@@JaruJaruJ add Chara and make them play uno with Gaster screaming over losing the 8th time in a row.
Oh, man, Wacky Jaru's got another theory about Kris. I bet he's gonna say Kris absorbed Dess's soul! Just like he said it happened to Asriel in his other theory. Oh Jaru, how many people is Kris gonna be possessed by at this rate? Are Chara and Gaster in there too? HA HA HA 🤣
I knew it! xD
LMAO!!!
Uhhhh this played exactly as I saw this. That’s creepy.
I felt kinda bad when he said it, because that was actually very close to my legitimate thoughts and was the reason I had been avoiding this video till now!
It makes sense why Spamton calls Kris a [LITTLE SPONGE], cause they be absorbing everyone's souls
I genuinely thought the thumbnail was "kris is ness" and I was so ready to cry 😭😭😭
edit:666 likes. GHASTOR CONFERMEDDDDDDDDD
I laughed and laughed at this
Ok that’s hilarious
That would be so funny I wish he went for it 😂😂
Kris is sans confirmed!?
Your telling me there ISN'T a chance that Kris and Ness are the same person?
The line "two friends starting out as neighbours" line in Skies Forever Blue could reflect Dess and Asriel's relationship if Asriel is the one she lost
True!
im pretty sure toby said that song wasnt connected to any of his other work. its just like a one off collab he did
Whenever I get a notification from you I have a weird mixed feeling of excitement and horror.
Perfect! xD
I took one look at the notification and went “ill have what he’s having”
@@JaruJaruJ Dess seems 'Des'perate. I'll see myself out.
Honestly same
this is how i feel with DR in general x)
deltarune theorists explaining how finding toby’s ip address will be integral to explaining why every character is actually an au version of kris:
I was so damn sure you're going to say that Dess never existed, and all the Noelle's memories of hear were somehow twisted memories of Kris. Well played Jaru, well played.
That would be crazy too! xD
Kris hit themselves with a wiffle bat
Gaslighting
@@dumbmonkey1313 they would do that though
Now that is what I call a theory.
Next you are going to tell me that Toriel is just a clone of Asgore.
BUT ASGORE’S CLONE SHAVED
WHO’S TORIEL?! IS THAT THE NAME OF ASGORE’S CLONE THAT SANS LIKES TO TALK TOO?!!?
@dogmasterpl dobrzynski It's a joke.
@dogmasterpl dobrzynski its a reference to some of papyrus's dialouge
@dogmasterpl dobrzynski THEY ARE BOTH GOATS!!
8 minutes in and I went from smiling to fearing for my life. Jaru can be so goddam scary when he gets serious...
Oh boy, I will be honest this one seems more of a crack theory to me. But the way he just passionately explains it,,,, it makes it so much more compelling! His slight madness somehow makes me think it's just a little more probable to happen than other theories! Amazing story Fanfic writer in disguise!
Thank you! xD
I read this comment and was waiting for the 8 minute mark, and then got an ad exactly on 8 minutes in, scariest moment of my life.
@@Thesolarslime Scariest thing of them all...
haha same
If Dess is really trapped there, with sight deprivation, and constant scratching, that must be devastating to her psyche
Indeed!
I still wonder how she survives there, with no food. Maybe time is stopped?
@@Rudxain I doubt it matters if you've already fallen behind the known reality, The laws of physics rather apply in our universe, not in another, much less outside
Dess is a secret boss confirmed.
Noelle: [Gains happiness for even a moment]
Jaru: Put that thing back where it came from or so help me!
I know it's not really in the vein of what this video wanted to claim, but when I saw the video title my mind immediately wandered to remembering Ruddy calls Kris "Krismas" and Dess' full name is "December Holiday"
xD
I think the line that "The Mage has left the party" in DB3 is foreshadowing of Toriel's role in chapter 3.
In chapter 2, our mage Ralsei was separated from Kris by Susie, but then we got another mage in Noelle. So I think in the next chapters, our future guest party members are going to be mage/fighter duos: Toriel/Undyne and, if the theories are correct, Cattie/Jockington.
In chapter 3, Toriel is going to be our mage, and like in Undertale she's going to have Fireshock in contrast to Noelle's Iceshock. But Toriel's going to be separated from the group, and then Ralsei will join in that moment.
Because my theory is that, just like Ralsei took some time to get to the Cyber World, he's gonna take time to reach the dark world in the Dreemur house. Think about it, Ralsei took a few minutes to reach Cyber World, an amount of time directly proporsional to getting from the school to the librarby. But getting from the school to Kris' house takes longer, maybe we're going to spent half of chapter 3 with Toriel as our mage, but she's going to be captured, and then Ralsei finally arrives.
And besides, imagine how awkward it would be to have Ralsei and Toriel meet, when he looks so much like a Dreemur, more specifically Asriel. And add the awkwardness of Toriel most definetely trying to take the leadership while Ralsei will insist Kris is the party leader. It would be a clash between them, so it's better that Ralsei joins in when Toriel is out the picture
Very interesting theory!
That also means we have to fight all secret bosses with the original party
Kris, Susie and ralsei
the mages left for the milk
Based off of this I have crafted a new and much less relevant theory
Due to the Dark World being opened up at night, Ralsei will sense it while he’s asleep. Meaning he could very well show up on the adventure in his pajamas.
This also means that Ralsei could be in a different outfit each adventure, based on the situation
Good theory
I can't believe the answer to gaster's experiment was so obvious. The experiment was "what if it could get darker than dark?" And he kept going further into the dark world inception until there was nothing but darkness left.
3 layers
Dark World
Darker World
Yet Darker World
Guess the void was a real thing after all.
Bingo!
Could this also potentially explain what happened to the Gaster in Undertale?
Speaking of the darker than dark line, what if the coat that is on the chair is actually Asriel's jacket?
@@zexton7777 That would be interesting!
@@zexton7777 interesting
a detail about the deltarune bow that makes the connection to Skies Forever Blue stronger, in case people thought that was a stretch: the girl's sprite shows the bow being both pink and white, and in Deltarune, if you take the Pink bow and White bow to that mender hammer character, you get the Twin Bow, which Noelle says is nostalgic. it's a pink and white bow, just like the girl's sprite
I kept listening to Skies Forever Blue and Lost Girl / Find Her and thought they sound quite similar...
Twink Bow
Personally I think Dess is the knight. She isn’t opening the fountains for a malicious reason, but in order as a cry for help. She’s trapped likely in a space between the dark and the light, and because of this she can only exist in tiny bits of each. Like I feel for the real world she can only exist in dark areas which is why every fountain, not made by Kris, had atleast one dark space for her to exist in. Though I feel she’s unable to fully exist in the dark world and only exists either as a shillouette or misshapen being. I know what someone might say “what about the King meeting her?” Personally I feel the King likely might’ve only seen her form that could exist in the dark world and then combined with his personal hatred for the lightners probably used meeting Dess as an excuse to overtake the other kings and become what he wanted. I mean the other kings don’t seem strong so I doubt the Spade King needed outside help. I’m willing to bet due to being in the code she’s so unstable she can’t really exist in either realm for long, and also gives Gaster, who’d have MUCH more experience in the code, an in to share his truth with Jevil and Spamton.
I was also thinking about the possibility of dess being the knight
But, King hates lightners
@@Plumpus3545 well yeah that’s why I assumed that maybe he just used the Knight as an excuse to do shit to go against the lightners. Even if Dess didn’t talk to him and only slightly appeared in the world he used that event to justify his decisions. Think like how old kings used bits of the Bible to justify crusades
Dess being the Knight also explains why the Queen was so interested in Noelle: who... would resemble Dess.
So true
I'm not sure that I'm remembering this wrong but didn't the world in Skies Forever Blue get more and more corrupted as the Girl tried harder and harder to tell her feelings to the point that the world crumpled, plus in the end didn't she get to confess her love to then cut to the title screen being quite glitched and her repeating a line from the song emplying she herself somehow got reset back?
The implication this has may be even more connected to Deltarunes theme of "Your choices don't matter" ,the Weird Route could even be this exact same thing where you slowly start corrupting the world itself by taking unconventional, out of the way actions to the point that the world might still reset but not by the conventional way it was meant to reset.
Dunno, maybe Jaru's crazyness is starting to rot my brain way too much to the point that I start creating insane theories and predictions.
You might be on to something as well.
I like this, its solid. This shall be my truth until it is finalised in the next chapters.
I wholeheartedly believe that Dess (or whoever that person from the code is) is trapped inside Bratty's house
Maybe we should start talking about her, too, since she has seen Asriel, Dess, Kris and Noelle growing up, she's spent a lot of time with them and she definitely knows some important stuff
Proof?
Jk lmao, but genuinely, why do you think that? I'm curious
@@KynG5
If I remember correctly, scratching noises can be heard from inside her house. And it's very dark inside, also there's eyes in her windows
Other than that, Bratty has a few dialogs about Asriel (Dreemmurs are very religious people, so they went to church every day after Azzy kissed Bratty, yada yada), and about "you kids". I think it was implied that she was talking about Kris&Noelle, but maybe that were Kris, Monster Kid, Snowdrake and others
Either way, Bratty acts weirdly sinister, both in Deltarune and Undertale. I think she could have even influenced Catty's bad behavior in UT, because DR Catty hadn't said or did a single bad thing, she was too nice to everybody
@@dinaniktothat and I’m pretty sure she’s one of the only people who mentions magic outside the darkners and main cast
People live in that house though, don’t you think they’d notice each other? And their window is open, Dess would be able to see the light from it. She definitely isn’t literally inside the house, but she could be somehow related to it.
@@AshenDust_ I mean, if your stuck in someone's Basement you'd still be able to hear most likely. I really like this theory because it doesn't try to make things overly complicated, it's fact based even if those facts don't sound "correct" to us because it's "lame".
petition for jaru to write a masterfic of his entire deltarune universe on ao3
I have no idea how you’re going to disprove the Noel blogs that imply that Dess, Asriel, Noel and Kris hung out, and are therefore different people. Looking forward to the video!
Edit: Wait, so Dess opened a dark world in a dark world causing the roaring, the timeline reset, then Kris gained save/load ability? How does everyone remember Dess existing and have memories of her if she got lost in the previous timeloop?
Wait, why would they forget her for that?
She still existed before the time loop
She existed before the time loop started and (for them) immediately dissapeared without a trace when the loop started
I agree with you, this theory, that I'm not gonna even listen to it due to how much the subject of this theory is just grasping at straws with no solid proof, judging by the comments, yeah, this theory is invalid. If the timeline reset erased Dess from the timeline, that can't be true, because Noelle still remembers Dess. If she truly was erased from the timeline, Noelle wouldn''t remember her. Here's an example to get across my point: In the end of the anime Madoka Magika, Madoka effectively both exists and at the same time, does not exist in the timeline anymore due to her wish in the final episode to undo witches from the timeline by her own hands. Because of that, although she has some influence on the timeline to undo the witches existing, nobody but the one girl who did several resets prior to the first episide with her power to find a way to avoid Madoka's death or witch transformation, remembers her at all. Not even Madoka's own mom remembers her due to Madoka not existing in the current timeline. If in Deltarune, that Dess erased herself from the timeline when resetting, Dess shouldn't be remembered by Noelle, since she no longer exists. Furthermore, we should not use the factor of the "Save Ability" from Undertale and use it on Deltarune for a theory. Since Determination technically, does not exist in the same way in Deltarune as in Undertale. And, the fact monsters are implied that they CAN bleed in Deltarune, when in Undertale, monsters cannot while humans can, makes this entirely theory full of plotholes. Undertale must not be used as priority for data to make a Deltarune theory, allot of things are different between the two universes Toby has created. This is some Matpat-style bad theory-making. Seriously, I feel the theories made by JaruJaruJ are not well crafted lately. From what I've seen of his theories, and the comments section here, this video is not worth me watching it. I mean no attacking of offense towards JaruJaruJ, I'm just stating my thoughts on the lack of solid evidence and unnecessary excessive use of dark themes in theories. As a person who loves lore, and has a strong sense of thought of logic, I simply cannot watch this theory video, and cannot praise it. Again, the dark-themed theories coming from this channel, just gives me the "Matpat Gametheory" vibes of bad theory making. Cherry-picking details to supporting the claims in theory making, while ignoring the solid evidence that makes the theory fall apart, and excessive use of dark themes to give the theory more "edge", yeah, that's something Matpat would do. That bad theory creating style is why I have not been watching any of Matpat's videos at all for a very very long time. And I fear this channel is treding on the same wrong path that downspirals into bad effort theory making. I don't hate Jaru, but these theories are going on the same dark path Matpat started to fall down ever since his infamous theory video of "Sans is Ness" Undertale theory (that has aged pretty poorly, now that we know what the "Don't Forget" thing in the secret room is, that Sans has in Undertale) that divided many people off from respecting the guy, and has not learned from since. People can like the theories from Jaru as of late, I'm just not seeing proper logic to hold up these theories lately. I won't attack others for liking stuff I don't, I'm not selfish like that. This is not an attack on Jaru, this is me expressing what I see wrong with these theories, and my own opinions. I really don't want him to fall down the same dark path Matpat has fallen to. And fyi, if anybody is replying to this comment with nasty comments in the very near future, do not bother, I ignore most negative replies to my comments
The idea is as follows:
- In the original Deltarune timeline, Dess discovers her powers and makes a save.
- Something terrible happens, and she reloads the save to try to prevent it. (From here everything that happened BEFORE the save still happened, but everything that happened AFTER it did not.)
- She tries to prevent the tragedy, but it happens again, so she reloads again. Repeat ad naseum.
- Eventually, she gets the idea to make a dark fountain within a dark world.
- She falls into the code and loses her reset abilities. At this point, no more resets occur until Kris becomes determined enough. *This is the current timeline that we play through in game, where Dess mysteriously disappeared.*
- No one but Dess remembers all the timelines she reset over.
Think about Flowey’s or Frisk’s resets. They don’t restart the ENTIRE UNIVERSE back to the Big Bang; Asriel always dies, no matter how many times Flowey reset, and Frisk always falls underground. The timeline is (typically, there are exceptions) only reset to the last save point, and characters still remember what happened BEFORE that save point.
Edit: The Angel’s reset, in Jaru’s theories, can do whatever Toby needs from a narrative perspective to get the game back to the beginning of chapter one. MAYBE it puts the universe back several hundred years to when the Angel first came into being, and everything plays out the exact same, including Dess’s resets, until it gets to chapter one, because the characters have had their memories wiped and thus would act the same way. MAYBE the Angel has the power to literally send the universe back to the Big Bang and ensure everything plays out exactly the same way until chapter one. MAYBE the Angel has a “save” it can load right before chapter one, and that’s what it’s going to do. Regardless, all the history mentioned in Deltarune from before we play, including the deaths of Alvin and the Non-Amalgamates, Asgore becoming police chief and getting fired, and all the adventures Kris, Azzy, Noelle, and Dess went on (including the ones only Dess remembers because she reset over them), still happens. Then a player gets thrown into the mix and we can change stuff.
One line I think is overlooked is "feelings flowing out across the screen until the battery runs dry" this not only proves that she is aware that she is in a game, but I believe that she isn't referring to the console battery but the battery that keeps the save intact (yes that was a thing with old cartridge games) and that is why the save is wiped at the end of the video and why her voice went back to what it was at the beginning. I don't nesserly think that when she falls into the darkness it represents going into the dark world, it could represent that that version of her is gone, or at least her memories are
I love how you tied in the whole ‘what if it could get darker than dark’ piece! I’ve been trying to find an answer to that particular line for a bit, and your explanation for it makes sense even if it wasn’t Dess who did it.
Thank you! I'm glad you noticed that! I didn't want to be too overt in my hints at Gaster, since I know that triggers people, but I had to give my two cents on that dang chair. xD
Before the hate comments get here, I would like to say that you are an amazing theorist who deserves all the positivity in the world.
Thank you! That's very kind. I doubt there will be that many hate comments though. My community is pretty sweet. x)
agreed
I just want to say that I agree with shadowstorm1657 100%@@JaruJaruJ
(Yes I know I'm very late)
Kris, in the dark world, is BLUE. There's already a theory that Dess and Kris explored somewhere (Likely the Shelter), and became trapped in a Dark World, leading to Kris's trauma and Dess disappearing.
Could it be Boy is representing Kris, and Girl as Dess. While not romantic love, but a more familial love, that the tragedy was Kris being killed or seriously hurt while in the Dark World, and Dess broke the dark world trying to save Kris? She succeeded, but fell deep within the cracks of reality.
Could be!
finally someone said that! thank you!! /gen
Never change jaru jaru. I listen to all your videos while working my 40 hour week graveyard shifts. You are golden, you are amazing.
Thanks so much! Your support means the world to me! You have a fantastic day!
For the thumbnail, I did suspect Kris wasn't Dess in a literal sense. Glad to see I was right. I didn't realize that there was multiple Dragon Blazer games that could tie together, good job on picking that out!
Thanks!
Oh my god, if this theory clicks, Ralsei leaving the group will honestly break me in half, I'm gonna be a sobbing mess I'm honestly terrified right now.
PERFECT! >:D
@@JaruJaruJ JARU NO! 😱😭
What if he has the Jevilstail and Dealmaker 🤔
@@lyrimetacurl0 well, seeing as how if you don't have Devilstail equipped before you start Chapter 2, you can just retrieve it from the hole in sliding hill left to Castletown, same might go for the Dealmaker, but we won't know where it'll be until Chapter 3 comes out
@A Hogammer you got that right
The thumbnail didn't fool me because I know your theories are never that simple lol
That being said, every theory you talk about always makes the upcoming roaring seem more and more heartbreaking, which is exactly what Toby would go for. Well done
Thanks! xD
Ah, so Dess's fate can be basically be summed up by the words "Fuck around and find out"
I like this theory
Thank you! xD
Berdly: December? I hardly know her!
Noelle: **snowgrave**
I think that the asriel is dead theory is wrong because in kriss' room in their cybercity room has the search collage vacation when but maybe it was toriel searching that
Hearing the smile in your voice grow at the end as my cold dread sets in is some interesting dichotomy
I love it! xD
Who doesn't love a well cooked Deltarune theory with a dash of craziness and a drop of interesting facts about Toby's world.
god, the implication that Dess is speaking through Spamton (using him as a puppet) and he seems to be entirely aware that she's trying to contact Kris... it just hits good, but what does that imply about him... could he have been purposefully turned into a puppet because it's the only way for someone like dess or gaster to communicate with and affect the dark world?
OOOO! I like that! Since Gaster is likely in a place similar to Dess, that could be why she's able to speak through Spamton! She's, liking, intercepting whatever signal Gaster uses to communicate with Spamton! That's awesome! :O
8:58 haven’t watched the rest of the video yet but… “her choices never mattered” you are saying the girl is most definitely a representation Dess and Kris and Dess are almost in the exact same situation and so this plays into Kris’s storyline.
Edit;dhsgbsgsbhhusgughwihsgygsuysfuysb I called ittttttttt
First, Sans is Ness
And now, Kris is Dess!
Noelle is Papyrus
guys
Asriel is Pú?
@@traces-without-is-dead-lol Well, that explains the God of Hyperdeath’s star powers… PK STARSTORM!!!!
Also, both are princes… huh…
@@venusaurmega003
much hmmmmmm
Sometimes I wonder what Toby thinks of the communitys theories
My best guesses are that Toby is:
A) Terrified that I'm predicting his entire game.
B) Grateful that I'm misleading the community and distracting them from the true plot.
C) Has no opinion because he doesn't know I exist.
C. is the most likely option. xD
Interestingly, in my opinion at least, Noelle only mentions the mage leaving the party if you aren't in the "Weird Route". In the Weird/Snowgrave Route, the mage isn't mentioned at all. I find it curious.
I swear that if it turns out that everything you said, Toby has meant it from the beginning, I'll throw myself off a bridge.
You know you misrepresented the plot of the video somewhat, right? The girl in skies forever blue DOES ultimately archieve her goal, even though the battery runs dry and the world hollowed out of it's memories.
My reading of the story was that she failed to successfully achieve her happily ever after. It's available to watch on RUclips so it's not like I'm trying to trick anybody. xP
One day i'm gonna open my notifications tab and see "Sans is Ness 2" by Jaru
Some day. xD
You know, when I watched Skies Forever Blue, I was pretty excited that Toby was doing original non-Undertale/Deltarune stuff. Part of me is a bit disappointed that it ended up being part of the canons, but another part of me is excited by new Deltarune stuff. This is probably one of the only times I've really felt this way and I think that made me realize how much I want Toby to do some one-off songs/stories.
Also, you should have done a Game Theory intro for that title.
i dont think its part of the canon
i mean we wont really know until the game gets finished, but still
@@henrykado yeah, a lot of the "connections" being made feel like huge stretches honestly lmao, but I feel like we're so desperate for anything new connecting to the main deltarune canon at this point that we don't really give much of a shit if it actually connects or not
I’d laugh my ass off if it turned out he made this as a massive red herring for theory crafters
13:40
I don't believe that sprite is a save point considering it was in the exact spot that her ribbon was, it's more likely that its a reference how objects becomes stars when travelling between the light and dark world
I think both can be true. x)
@@JaruJaruJ imagine using the twin ribbon to save, that would be hilarious XD
Queen implies that if someone were to create a dark fountain while already inside a Dark World it'd just expand the Dark World they're in, not create a "Darker World" ("Unfortunately the world they created is trapped within the confines of the library, if only we had a way to make more darkness we might be able to cover the whole world...")
Yeah, and Queen didn't know anything about what happens when you create Dark Fountains until very recently, and she admits that she didn't know about the Roaring. So she's a pretty poor source for Dark Fountain info. xD
I mean, both of these could still be true. As seen by one of the top comments (Made by tepig28), it could be that Dess made the dark fountain on Castle Town.
It might work in a way where it's possible to make a double dark fountain, but in consequence the person to do it will be locked inside whatever place Dess is in.
@@simplymax1337 So if we seal the Grand Dark Fountain, then Dess will be free, at the cost of the Balance between LIGHT and DARK going in favor of the LIGHT and causing an equivalent of The Roaring.
@@JaruJaruJ
Hmm fair
Did you miss the ending of "Skies Forever Blue", where the girl confesses her love to the boy?
In the end of Skies forever blue, the girl, after making MAJOR changes in the story via glitches, finally gets a happy ending.
What if we will also have to do that in deltarune? Like, after beating the 7th chapter, you have to play from the first one agian but this time mess with the code as well (on the save file you beat ch7)
I guess I just read the Skies Forever Blue story differently than some folks. xD
HOLY MOLY! I DIDNT KNOW ID GET A SHOUTOUT!!
I’m geeking out rn XD
I shout you out in the last several videos, my man! You're my #1 supporter! xD
I realized that shortly after XD
This is seriously some of the coolest shit. It's so terrifying. What makes it all the more unsettling is it's characters you know too.
Jokes aside this is definitely the sans is ness of deltarune, and I haven't even gotten past the intro.
Edit: yeah this theory sucks lmao, atleast with sans is ness it was funny, you just took the few probably correct theories about dess and added a lot of incorrect parts to it, even "kris killed asriel" was better than this honestly.
SANS IS DESS
Wow, that theory that Dess created a Dark Fountain in the dark world in an attempt to change fate is actually really cool!
Cool, someone besides me who sees what's wrong with this theory. Good theory-making relies not only on favorable evidence to support the theory, but you must also take into account what clashes with your theory. As, with ignoring what makes your theory invalid while only taking favorable evidence, you're opening several plotholes in your theory. Like, as an analogy: Say you took a test in school. And you answered a few questions correctly, but ignored several questions on the sheet of your test. By doing so, you're opening clear points of your schoolwork, that harms your grades of that test, the teacher won't just take your work and ignore the questions in the schoolwork and only take into account what questions you answered and answered correctly. The teacher would get in trouble for not docking your grade for skipping questions on the sheet you didn't want to answer and treating it as if it was a perfect A grade when you only made the effort to correctly answer a few of the questions on the sheet
AHHH THE PIBBY SHIT LMFAO I KNEW I RECOGNISED IT
i just realized that i replied instead of commenting
i think that the darker world (the dark world crated from the fountain that was made in the dark world) is literally just the code and i think the scratching might be someone writing the code for the game because when ur writing on paper or a whiteboard or a chalkboard it sounds like scratching.
Could be! Or, since the original quote is "Dark, Darker, Yet Darker," it could be that "Dark" is in reference to the Dark World, "Darker" is in reference to the abyss that Dess has ended up in, and "Yet Darker" is in refence to the code and is where Gaster likely is.
Your voice is so relaxing. I can listen to you for houres.
Thanks. x)
15:37 MAN I get your pain on this one, having someone deconstruct the part of the argument that's just you having a little fun speculating, EVEN when you specify that, is beyond frustrating.
Its up finally i have like 4 jaru videos saved up now might need to watch this one though it looks super excited
Kris is an interesting name because Santa Claus can also be referred to as "Kris Kringle." Another Christmas related name (Kris-mas as well). And I say this because the members of Noelle's family's names are obviously all Christmas themed (Noelle, Rudolph, December, Carol (maybe)).
I bet Jaru will be the next insane secret boss.
Okay, for the "Sounds like Scratching" thing, this could be a toby joke and dess is really in the house in hometown that is dark and has cat eyes in the window (cats scratch and stuff)
Nice argument.
One "SMALL" issue....
4:13
That guitar you outlined red, IS ACTUALLY A PLUSH OF TOBY AND MEWO!
(good theory tho)
4:10 this isn't a guitar! that is Omocat and Toby fox SONA's on the BG. Why would all the objects be well drawn while only the guitar doesn't look like the respective object.
Hmm. Looked like a guitar to me, but oh well! Wasn't that important for the theory. xD
@@JaruJaruJ Also adding a little bit to your theory, Ralsei learning Fire magic makes sense, since toriel will join us in Chapter 3. I doubt that those two fluffly living beings will encounter each other (both as a form of joke, like at every moment they are from 1 step to see each other, something happens to prevent it. and because this would break toriel's mind.) But if those had an encounter, This could possibly happen.
you know what would be suuuuper messed up? if you could only rescue dess on the weird route. (this has no credence whatsoever, the thought just occurred to me and it would be so HORRIBLE if it were true)
if u ever told me that a apple is a fence, i probably would believe you
My cult leader powers are growing. xD
Oh man, only Jaru can come up with something like this. I’m ready for the Jevil and spamton level of insanity. At this point I’m 90% convinced Jaru is getting his theories from garbage noise* coming out of the darkness…
Gotta be. xD
honestly, i still dont know if im entirely convinced by the whole overarching theory that exists here, but the "dess made a dark world inside a dark world" part is very (very) interesting to think about, along with the idea that kris is set to tackle the problem dess failed to.
i could go either way on whether kris will succeed or not, though. perhaps the soul, an entity that carries the actions of a non fictional person is enough to break the cycle, but maybe the fact that deltarune has already been scripted mean that the cycle is never meant to be broken.
it may be a little early to say, and with how many surprises toby seems to have up his sleeve at any given point, i wouldnt get too attached to any theory of mine.
i thibk your asriel/ralsei theory would be more compelling if kris accidentally puched asriel down a flight of stairs during an arguement they had, hanging his body to frane it as a suicide.
ps. the real theory was the one piece we alonged the eay
nice Omori reference there
I can’t tell if these theories are shortening my life or enlightening it but it’s doing something, keep it up
Will do! xD
Your theories are so interesting! Honestly, I kinda wish this was all a fangame or something. Deltarune:Jaru edition
Thanks! That would be funny. xD
Yeah, once DELTARUNE is finished, I'd love to see a mod that makes all of Jaru's theories correct, if they aren't already.
Another crazy theory like always! I hope you never change Jaru, your content is a perfect balance between calming and terrifying lol
Thank you very much! I'm flattered to hear that! XD
Got an epiphany while in the shower, the great place for ideas:
Taking from my theory that each chapters' guest party members are a fighter/mage duo, i noticed that, that pretty much also describes Kris' (and therefore our) main party members: Susie and Ralsei.
It was pretty strange to me that we were separated from our party, and then got another in Noelle, only to get the option of either lifting her up or sink her into becoming our weapon that we use to kill the other fighter, who was Berdly. But then it came to me:
If there's weird routes in the other chapters, and all of them focus on manipulating the mage into killing the fighter, why is that so? What if the possibility of the weird routes are actually grooming us, and KRIS, into one day manipulating the main mage Ralsei into killing the main fighter Susie?
It's pretty clear that Susie is the wild card in the game, we can't completely control her, she does as she pleases, and she's an inspiration for Kris to rebel against the SOUL. So maybe whatever is behind the curtains is trying to get us into breaking Kris into submission by manipulating us into breaking them by breaking other people, so when the REAL weird route, the one that's meant to go against the Delta Rune prophesy, they are sotraumatized that they will just proceed into pushing Ralsei into hurting their best friend, just like Noelle could no longer recognize Berdly.
I have NO IDEA if that's true or even remotely feasible, but I LOVE IT REGARDLESS! Such a fun idea! So dark! xD
@@JaruJaruJ it's like sans said: we're not doing this out of malice, we're doing it because the option is there, and because we can, we gotta
For what other reason the weird route is in a game about being friends with everyone, but to build up to showing us the consequences of gamer mentality? And it would still not matter if the timeloop is true, but to us it would because we'll be conscious we did that to everyone we were supposed to befriend
you amaze me. like i actually agree with you & i didn't expect that when i saw the thumbnail on twitter. you're wild. idk i think it's crazy enough to match Toby's energy
Glad to hear! XD
The thing is, “Skies Forever Blue” had a happy ending, I would say, with the girl using the weird reset thing she does as a chance to go through the journey the way she always wanted and finally finish her final line.
If you took the whole thing as foreshadowing for Deltarune, that would actually bode well for the future.
(EDIT: I forgot about the credits-scene-thing, which does line up a bit better with your idea, I admit.)
That said, though, please do keep making these. I *sincerely* disagree with the majority of your conclusions, but it’s fun, nevertheless. C’ya next theory.
Thanks! I hope I can continue to entertain. x)
8:26 Oh thank goodness.. I really thought it would head in that soul absorbing direction...
xD
@@JaruJaruJ I'm glad you can smile about that ^w^
I don't know if Jaru can handle this kind of power. The multiverse might implode after the next few theories.
Yknow, even if every single theory you've done is disproven in time, the sheer potential of the narrative you've made is enough to warrant some praise. I can imagine that an AU called Jaru!Deltarune would be made just to fulfill it.
Thanks! You're not the only one to suggest something like that. A couple people have discussed the possibility of making a fan-game if the theories don't pan out, although I doubt it'll really happen. The thought is sweet though! Glad my theorized narrative is interesting to people. x)
The name Skies Forever Blue, I think is a reference to the song “Pollyanna” a song that released with mother one (earthbound beginnings) so cool trivia 🙃
I really hope that the end of Deltarune isn't a reset because it's not gonna make me cry for 3 hours, but then again I want it to end like that because it'll make people cry for 3 hours.
I get a feeling Toby Fox will pull a Yoko Taro on us and hit us with tragedies only to offer us the equivalent of Nier Automata's ending E (sacrifice something important to the player in order to save everyone)
Edit: I think "the (fireshock) mage who leaves the party" might actually be Asriel, who's left to go to college. We know the Dreemurs can do fire magic, so I think it'd make sense if Asriel could use fire magic in the dark world too.
I think Noel searching for the glitchy door in the ice palace could hint at a bit more. Assuming an ice palace becomes a location we can explore in a future chapter, and it contains an elusive door that leads to the man himself Gaster, finding it could lead to rescuing or helping Dess in some way if Gaster provides some assistance with his knowledge and unique status as being scattered across space and time. But how can we find this door, and what if it could do something else?
The first thing that I thought about when the thought of exploring an ice palace in a future chapter, is how and where would such a thing come to be? If it manifests from something in the light world being transformed by a dark fountain, it would make sense if this place or object was cold, and is a large enough feature of a whole room if we go by the logic dark worlds have functioned by before. The coldest places/things that come to mind to me are some kind of refrigerator. We've seen several already in the game, one in Kris's home, one in Asgore's place, and some fridges in Sans's shop. What's also interesting to me is two of these three locales are directly related to the eggs you obtain in both chapters. (If you want my opinion, I think the ice palace would take form in Sans's shop, since it has two refrigerators that take up more space, and it links Sans to Gaster just that much more) And this is where my little theory gets interesting.
To lay it out for you since you may have caught on to what I'm thinking, if by some circumstance Kris is able to obtain every egg given by the man behind the tree, and then deposit them somewhere in the light world, either that would be the key that enables Kris to find the door and enter it and make contact with Gaster. Or, even crazier idea here, these eggs hold not just a special connection to Gaster, but rather they are necessary to complete some sort of goal Gaster has that could be related to breaking free of his condition or even assist in breaking free of the Angel itself.
But wait, there's more! (Spoilers for Chrono Trigger I guess because I'm about to go on a tangent) I remember hearing about these eggs as a potential nod to Chrono Trigger, and I just could never get that out of my head, so this could just be me. To explain, the titular Chrono Trigger is itself an egg with special power, and you receive it in Chrono Trigger in a similar manner as Deltarune, from a mysterious man in a blank void of space (not to mention the location in Deltarune is also reminiscent of the place where the Chrono Trigger is used, as both feature a lone tree). And it only goes deeper. Who exactly is this mysterious man in Chrono Trigger? Well, it's revealed that he is the Guru of Time from the age of Antiquity, named Gaspar. That name sounds sort of familiar, doesn't it? Not to mention this Gaspar was involved in an experiment in search of infinite power that flung him across time. Not unlike how Gaster himself was shattered across space and time after falling into the CORE, which is also a huge source of energy. I hope I don't need to make the parallels any clearer. But what am I trying to say with all this stuff from a completely different game?
We all know Toby Fox was greatly influenced by Earthbound, but another iconic JRPG of that era was Chrono Trigger. I'm not going to pour over everything Toby Fox has said or done to find any other mentions of or references to Chrono Trigger though, so take all of these comparisons and extrapolation with a healthy serving of salt. But I don't think it's TOO out there to say that Toby may have also been inspired by that game, too.
I think it may be possible to extrapolate a few ideas from Chrono Trigger and apply them to Gaster and these eggs. Mainly that Gaster is giving you these eggs so something can be done with them that has to do with time, space, dimensions, darkness, etc. Now, nobody can definitively say what these eggs will do, if anything. Perhaps it will function as a way to "save" Gaster and return to his normal state or to save Dess, like how the Chrono Trigger saved Crono. (Spoilers for Chrono Cross too, i guess) Maybe it will grant passage to a special place where you can fight the Angel like how the Time Egg worked in Chrono Cross to let you fight the Time Devourer.
Who knows? Probably Toby Fox.
But I think this quote by Gaspar himself from Chrono Trigger sums up this whole egg business quite nicely: "It is pure potential. By unleashing a specific course of events, it can have a powerful effect on time."
For the location of the dark fountain... how about Ice-E's pizza? EVERYTHING COMES BACK TO ICE-E.
I'd love it if Deltarune ends up including some sort of device (like the Epoch in Chrono Trigger) to let you travel back to the previous chapters' Dark Worlds (without reopening the fountains) and do things you couldn't before using new items. That would be awesome!
Jaru, if you think I'm going to believe this theory of yours...
You're right.
Ralsei is literally using dreemurr fire magic in the prophecy
This reminds me of that one line in the FAQ about how there's only gonna be one ending - "There's something more important than reaching the end." I wonder if this is going to be a bit like a Majora's Mask situation where your side quests and decisions factor into the fine details of the ending, but not the overall narrative.
Fantastic theory, this is the first video I've watched from you. I look forward to watching your other theories :3
Thank you very much! Welcome aboard, and I hope you enjoy! :D
I can’t be the only one who notices a connection between Christmas and aggresive actions in the undertale and deltarune universes
I think Snowdin towns the Last time anyone believes you can change (I haven’t done the undertale genocide route myself)
And well Noelle… that doesn’t need explaining I don’t think
One thing I find interesting about this theory is that you didn't mention how 'Skies Forever Blue' ends, with the Girl getting her happy ending before the world ends. It's just fascinating that there is so much evidence there to help or deny the theory and yet you never brought it up.
If I was to use the events at the end of the song for the theory I would say that it hints towards there being a way to save Dess, a way which involves breaking down the game in a way such as the 'Weird Route' where at the end we manage to get Dess her happy ending.
Only for it to be ripped away as the world is reset once more, and she is trapped again in the darkness.
I believe that whilst the world may be doomed to reset, there will be a way to get some form of bittersweet ending, Toby will be able to pull on our heartstrings even more if we can save everyone, only for it all to be reset with the wonderful tune of 'Don't forget'
I just read the ending as a bittersweet "She says it, but it doesn't matter, and everything gets reset," sort of thing. I didn't think it contradicted anything about the gist of the narrative I portrayed.
@@JaruJaruJ I agree, it doesn't contradict anything, I just thought it would be interesting, well done on all these theories and I hope to see where you go next.
Saving Dess on a very difficult and glitchy quest? kinda reminds you about the Weird Route, doesn't it? while not exactly "glitchy" it certainly is difficult and it also changes some details in the Hometown slightly while not affecting the end of the chapter, this theory is certainly interesting to think about, If it ends up being true i wonder how it would play out.
Jaru comes up with his theories by slamming his head into his keyboard and makes a video on what comes up.
I misread the thumbnail as "Kris in a dress". ... I clicked on it. This probably says something about me.
XD
"Darker yet darker", Dess is Gaster-influenced confirmed. lol
i know this is really late but something i noticed is that skies forever blue loops; the final verse is a more distorted version of the first verse. thought you might find that interesting
Interesting! I'll be honest, I've never heard of skies forever blue before.. Should probably look into it more. Glad my theory could help somehow! :3
Glad you enjoyed! And thanks for your own theories! Work from folks like you is a big source of inspiration for me. x)
Great video
I did not believe the theory that you were making in the beginning about the angel reseting time. But after this came up the angel theory seems to have more evidence for it.
Personal theory:
I have theory that faster is Toby fox because there outside of time and space of the game world and at the beginning of deltarune that could easily be Toby fox talking to you. When his twitter account was talking before chapter 1 it has the same font as the beginning of deltarue. Toby was sending out the messages to us to get to play deltarune and then talking to us once we open up the game.
Just when I needed some crazy in my life. Thank you for a great video.
My pleasure! xD
Dude I haven't been this chilled since you said that gaster and sans were melded into one. great theory
Thank you! :D
I like this theory, since it'd create a parallel connection to Dess and Gaster, both being people who experimented with darkness to solve a crisis. (The Core, Castle Town.)
presuming your theory is correct, it'd also explain why you can save/load in the underground with the most determination yet for some reason the rest of the world's a non factor into who gets control over the power: Entry 17 implies the creation of a dark fountain for the purpose of experimentation. And if not, then I have to ask the question: How does Flowey have control over the file whatsoever when there is a human scaling the mountain exterior about a week's away from reaching the underground with more Determination than them? Why couldn't Chara or Asriel load the file when they realized the plan went wrong? If something's causing it to be proximity based, then it sure as hell can't be the barrier triggering the file inside since that still raises the question of Chara/Asriel's fusion since they did happen to die within the barrier at the last second.
Problem with the theory: If Dess was trying to solve for a method to stop the Angel from resetting everything, how come she isn't dragged back out whenever the Angel does reset? It'd imply the point is much earlier on the timeline if Dess had the knowledge of the Angel's existence. Does being trapped in a pure dark fountain result in your complete and utter removal from the timeline, explaining Gaster's disappearance when he falls into the Core which is presumably being powered on a Dark Fountain as evidenced by the Dark Pillar sprite names and Entry 17's existence?
The only logical conclusion is if the theories you have been proposing is true, Gaster must've existed at some point AFTER Chara and Asriel died, and that he did something involving Dark Fountains which resulted in the creation of the save points, and the barrier was keeping the dark world trapped so that when it was destroyed it could spread and allow for a much more grand scale of a reset.
Can’t wait for the rest of Deltarune to come out just to realize future Jaru’s theory about how Gaster is Noelle and Dess is Ralsei while Susie is a figment of Kris’s imagination was actually true
He did it! He went insane!
Let's goooo thanks a million JaruJ I do enjoy your content dearly keep it up.👏🏿👏🏿
So I wonder if Dess is related to what Ralsei talks to Kris about when the player is not controlling them? Maybe Kris ripping out their soul has something to do with carrying out that plan and giving Dess back the power to save/load
did you know lancer is actually lucas from mother 3 after he died? lancer is actually an acronym for lucas after not continuing to endure revival.
this was a lot less wild a theory than i thought, nice one :)
Yeah, lured them in with wacky, then SLAM them with relative sanity! xD
Thanks for watching. x)
My theory:
Dess and Asriel discovered Dark Worlds via the closet, and Dess got the idea to make a Dark Fountain within a Dark World. However, this caused her to fall into the Darker World, also causing a mini-roaring which trapped Asriel in the Closet Dark World, turning him into Ralsei and making the Closet Dark World strong enough to be the main one.
Been playing Deltarune again and honestly I think the Holidays are meant to parallel the Dreemurs and thus hint at who the final boss is. The Dreemurs lost their kid in Undertale and he ended up being the final boss, and the Holidays lost their kid who I personally think will end up being the final boss. December (if we accept the Skies forever blue theory that she tried to mess with the code after coming to understand the game) was confined by the rules of the game world and broke free for a single freedom based desire, much like all of the secret bosses. The SBs all try to break free from the game world because of a single freedom based desire that they went mad trying to accomplish. They are all found "out of bounds" in a way and were discarded in a way. If we accept the SFB theory, then December is the exact same. But different in that she was discard because of her freedom over the code of the game. The Knight has proven to have control over Dark Fountains, and whenever their activated the Dark World surrounding has lore to it already and in Ch.2 proves they're connceted for some odd reason. This can he explained bt December being in the code of the game, adding on to these dark worlds within it. Makes sense that she can hack Spamton to call for help because the Dark Worlds (by the logic of the darkness in the music video and the website) are "Dark" thus much closer to December than the Light world. The Lightners even fall into the Dark worlds whenever they're entered, which makes it make sense that the Knight would activate dark fountains; December is trying to bring someone closer and closer so she can finally escape. Spamton comments that the voice was calling to Kris, which is someone December is already familiar with, makes sense she would call out to them. This is what I think the Roaring truly is as well; Falling. The Light world will fall into the Dark world and everything will fall out of bounds... If December is insane as the other secret bosses because of her lack of freedom yet abundance in isolation, why wouldn't she want to cause the Roaring (if that's her goal)? If everything falls out of bounds; she won't have to be alone in the dark anymore. Don't forget; she's with us in the dark.
This is a personal theory, I'm all ears to others' opinions or thoughts :)
Deltarune knows it's a video game, just like Undertale did. Dess fell out of bounds, and now the game is trying to function without her, reusing the assets associated with her in odd places.
Idk, I'm not convinced myself, but there's my 2 minute theory