Great (still) 'painfully detailed' and useful comparative analysis 😉. I am questioning the 'lifetime' support proposition. Yes, unraid exists for more than 15 years now, and then a business model that is funding support cost solely by new customer revenue is intrinsically limited. Even if only focussed on x86/amd64 platforms there will be a point in time where the market is saturated and growth is hard to come by. The Synology model with a somewhat predictable life expectancy seems to be more honest and realistic to me. Secondly, while you pointed out the significant difference in the design of the UX (or lack thereof in case of unraid), I would argue that DSM will be manageable for an average technology friendly home user, while I cannot see that same person be successful setting up an unraid instance without at least tracking back several times while learning the in's and out's of storage systems, and still not end up at an optimal setup for their needs - and I would suspect a lot of bad language would occur in the process.
As a DSM user, I'm ready to give UnRAID a look if I decide on some hardware, as the only things in the Synology UI I use are the Control Panel app to change settings and occasionally File Station if I accidentally deleted something and need to recover it from the Recycle Bin or something. Their Reverse Proxy GUI is not powerful enough to replace nginx configs, so I just use proxy configs on the LSIO swag container for that, it's far easier anyway since that container ships with a ton of them out of the box. I host all my services with Docker Compose, and that will be the case regardless of the OS I'm using, so honestly I just feel like most of Synology's first party crap gets in my way.
The biggest problem with Synology isn't the software, which is good, as it the enclosure, it's the limited internal hardware. If you go for a (very expensive) xs/xs+ version of the Synology hardware (which is still not that high-end), you lose the ability to use third-party disks and SHR.
Sorry I had to cut out early. Since having two of the entry level NAS from Synology I am sold. All the benefits of DSM I can't think of doing without. I am going to save up for the 1522+ 5 Bay I can take the 4 drives I have now and consolidate them into 1 box with 2 or 3 HD depending on size. More than enough room for future growth. it should last me 5 years or more I would think.
I don't really think that DSM should be compared to unraid. As you said in "cost" section, you can't buy DSM, you can only buy a sinology NAS that it cost way more than any DIY NAS even if you with an expensive case like the silverstone CS382. I would rather see a comparison betwen OpenMediaVault (what I'm using right now) VS UnRaid VS TrueNAS. I don't know any other popular NAS OS
Excellent video, great comparison, I didn't know about this unraid and I thought it was the best choice when faced with so many old and abandoned computers, I myself have 11, 4 of which are HP servers. Final conclusion, better and more ecological is Unraid. My suggestion is that you post videos on how to install it, I guarantee you will have many followers and even sponsorship. Sorry for the English, Brazil. Hug
My opinion on this is that DSM is a tool, while UnRAID, TrueNAS etc are hobbies. DSM is more limited, but it’s super easy to set up and maintain and it just works.
TrueNAS = hobbies? You know that ixsystems the company behind TrueNas sells enterprise hardware that runs TrueNas on it + commercial support? M-series starts at 13'500$ and goes up to 60'000$ 😅
What an embarrassing comment. DSM is made for the home user and trying to play enterprise with the rack units. No serious company would trust their data with this consumer OS. Unraid is even more robust than DSM
My opinion is Synology is like what Windows NT Server should have been. UNRAID is like a relatively user friendly mini-computer and TrueNAS is like a freaking mainframe (IBM MVS). CasaOS is still under construction so I don't know what it will be when it grows up. CasaOS at the moment has worse system integration than Windows 3.1!
The cheapest DS224+ in Europe right now is 345 EURs, the cheapest Synology memory 4GB (D4NESO-2666-4G ) in Europe right now is 92 EURs. 345 + 92 = 437 EURs or 462 US Dollars, just to keep the costs strait.
I’ve never used a dsm or synology but I’ve used OMV on a raspi and as a virtual machine on prxmx and as a VM in unraid. I ended up buying unraid and love it. I’ve tried truenas but I found the interface wonky, I still use truenas as a backup to my unraid tho! VMs and docker run on unraid. Prxmx is for fun and to keep my skills honed I tried a nas 20 years ago when I bought a xmeta netdisk 80 gig. I was so disappointed you had to install drivers to get it functioning. It acted as a second HDD rather than appearing on network neighborhood. We’ve come a long way since then.
*Apparently, Unraid's disk and thus network performance should be much slower than that of Qnap and Synology,* for example, because Unraid does not work with the usual RAID, but has invented something itself. *Is that true?*
UnRAID uses a different parity system yes. But also, they recently embraced ZFS pools support and that results in massive performance boosts and parity with Q/S performance
@@nascompares Thank you *very* much for your great reviews and your answer!, I was hoping that another viewer of your videos would see my question - so I'm very happy you replied. Now I'll compare your suggested NAS enclosures and configurations for 8 or if possible 12 bays. Then I'll install Unraid 🙂
When you keep saying "Synology end of life software", thats not as accurate as it could be. That suggests the system will literally die when updates are no longer available. As my diskstation and DSM (DS918+) does eventually have a timeout for app and DSM updates ... I realized that it didnt really matter. Its not as if the system will instantly crash ... it just will exist as it is with the final update, for all time. My use case is not industrial, commercial or have any real security concerns (who really wants to steal my folders of family pictures, resumes, recipes and movies?) and the two factor sign in should effectively stop spammers and Phish scammers, and all the installed DSM apps will work just fine ... so ... I'm not really worried. Now ... what will end its life is when file sizes and drive size needs, go far beyond todays available drives (for example; my first hard drive in the 1980's was 4Mb) which means when my existing space tech capability times out ... thats when I have to upgrade, like when storage is commonly in the petabittes. That will likely be long after the DSM stops being updated ... by decades ... and thats when this diskstation will effectively time out.
Thank you for these extended comparisons. It really helps when looking at these products to know if I missed or misunderstood a feature.
Great (still) 'painfully detailed' and useful comparative analysis 😉. I am questioning the 'lifetime' support proposition. Yes, unraid exists for more than 15 years now, and then a business model that is funding support cost solely by new customer revenue is intrinsically limited. Even if only focussed on x86/amd64 platforms there will be a point in time where the market is saturated and growth is hard to come by. The Synology model with a somewhat predictable life expectancy seems to be more honest and realistic to me. Secondly, while you pointed out the significant difference in the design of the UX (or lack thereof in case of unraid), I would argue that DSM will be manageable for an average technology friendly home user, while I cannot see that same person be successful setting up an unraid instance without at least tracking back several times while learning the in's and out's of storage systems, and still not end up at an optimal setup for their needs - and I would suspect a lot of bad language would occur in the process.
Painful detailed, repetitive. I think he could benefit from a script.
As a DSM user, I'm ready to give UnRAID a look if I decide on some hardware, as the only things in the Synology UI I use are the Control Panel app to change settings and occasionally File Station if I accidentally deleted something and need to recover it from the Recycle Bin or something. Their Reverse Proxy GUI is not powerful enough to replace nginx configs, so I just use proxy configs on the LSIO swag container for that, it's far easier anyway since that container ships with a ton of them out of the box.
I host all my services with Docker Compose, and that will be the case regardless of the OS I'm using, so honestly I just feel like most of Synology's first party crap gets in my way.
Loving these comparison and tutorial videos. Thanks.
As a majority dsm user and now also unraid user. Please take note you can run dsm in a docker on unraid.
Why?
@@lexluthor9509 to use features that only work between Synology device's
The biggest problem with Synology isn't the software, which is good, as it the enclosure, it's the limited internal hardware. If you go for a (very expensive) xs/xs+ version of the Synology hardware (which is still not that high-end), you lose the ability to use third-party disks and SHR.
Sorry I had to cut out early. Since having two of the entry level NAS from Synology I am sold. All the benefits of DSM I can't think of doing without. I am going to save up for the 1522+ 5 Bay I can take the 4 drives I have now and consolidate them into 1 box with 2 or 3 HD depending on size. More than enough room for future growth. it should last me 5 years or more I would think.
I don't really think that DSM should be compared to unraid. As you said in "cost" section, you can't buy DSM, you can only buy a sinology NAS that it cost way more than any DIY NAS even if you with an expensive case like the silverstone CS382.
I would rather see a comparison betwen OpenMediaVault (what I'm using right now) VS UnRaid VS TrueNAS. I don't know any other popular NAS OS
Excellent video, great comparison, I didn't know about this unraid and I thought it was the best choice when faced with so many old and abandoned computers, I myself have 11, 4 of which are HP servers. Final conclusion, better and more ecological is Unraid. My suggestion is that you post videos on how to install it, I guarantee you will have many followers and even sponsorship. Sorry for the English, Brazil. Hug
Thank you for your great review!
My opinion on this is that DSM is a tool, while UnRAID, TrueNAS etc are hobbies. DSM is more limited, but it’s super easy to set up and maintain and it just works.
TrueNAS = hobbies? You know that ixsystems the company behind TrueNas sells enterprise hardware that runs TrueNas on it + commercial support? M-series starts at 13'500$ and goes up to 60'000$ 😅
I think you have got this slightly skewed.
What an embarrassing comment. DSM is made for the home user and trying to play enterprise with the rack units. No serious company would trust their data with this consumer OS. Unraid is even more robust than DSM
It would be great if someone had made software as easy as Synology DSM
On the topic of NAS OSs, how come you have never reviewed Open Media Vault?
Its basically archaic and even looks the part. No point in it as if you want a free NAS os you have Truenas Core/Scale
My opinion is Synology is like what Windows NT Server should have been.
UNRAID is like a relatively user friendly mini-computer
and TrueNAS is like a freaking mainframe (IBM MVS).
CasaOS is still under construction so I don't know what it will be when it grows up.
CasaOS at the moment has worse system integration than Windows 3.1!
CasaOS has a lot of weight behind it (and the soon to be released ZimaOS).
There is also cosmos-server which is really promising.
The cheapest DS224+ in Europe right now is 345 EURs, the cheapest Synology memory 4GB (D4NESO-2666-4G ) in Europe right now is 92 EURs. 345 + 92 = 437 EURs or 462 US Dollars, just to keep the costs strait.
I’ve never used a dsm or synology but I’ve used OMV on a raspi and as a virtual machine on prxmx and as a VM in unraid. I ended up buying unraid and love it. I’ve tried truenas but I found the interface wonky, I still use truenas as a backup to my unraid tho! VMs and docker run on unraid. Prxmx is for fun and to keep my skills honed
I tried a nas 20 years ago when I bought a xmeta netdisk 80 gig. I was so disappointed you had to install drivers to get it functioning. It acted as a second HDD rather than appearing on network neighborhood. We’ve come a long way since then.
Have you look at Xigmanas software?
*Apparently, Unraid's disk and thus network performance should be much slower than that of Qnap and Synology,* for example, because Unraid does not work with the usual RAID, but has invented something itself. *Is that true?*
UnRAID uses a different parity system yes. But also, they recently embraced ZFS pools support and that results in massive performance boosts and parity with Q/S performance
@@nascompares Thank you *very* much for your great reviews and your answer!, I was hoping that another viewer of your videos would see my question - so I'm very happy you replied. Now I'll compare your suggested NAS enclosures and configurations for 8 or if possible 12 bays. Then I'll install Unraid 🙂
Now only if we could use mismatched drives with ZFS then it would be perfect!
Dsm surveillance is better, i hope synology selling the OS to the public, so we can install in almost any hardware
They wont do that. Synology is a publicly traded company
* Truenas has left the room *
Calling anything UnRAID turnkey is a damn joke!
When you keep saying "Synology end of life software", thats not as accurate as it could be.
That suggests the system will literally die when updates are no longer available.
As my diskstation and DSM (DS918+) does eventually have a timeout for app and DSM updates ... I realized that it didnt really matter. Its not as if the system will instantly crash ... it just will exist as it is with the final update, for all time.
My use case is not industrial, commercial or have any real security concerns (who really wants to steal my folders of family pictures, resumes, recipes and movies?) and the two factor sign in should effectively stop spammers and Phish scammers, and all the installed DSM apps will work just fine ... so ... I'm not really worried.
Now ... what will end its life is when file sizes and drive size needs, go far beyond todays available drives (for example; my first hard drive in the 1980's was 4Mb) which means when my existing space tech capability times out ... thats when I have to upgrade, like when storage is commonly in the petabittes.
That will likely be long after the DSM stops being updated ... by decades ... and thats when this diskstation will effectively time out.