I would really love if you included comparisons to 680M and steam deck etc., I often see people on reddit complaining about the low depth of these reviews, I think this would push the videos to the next level👍
Check out the phawx. He has done some pretty in depth content comparing steam deck against 6800u and 7840u. Even compared to the new A1 extreme (which I am now kinda disappointed by) it's very stat heavy, but check it out
Handhelds that have far more capabilities than most of the big servers that the Internet was built on just a couple decades ago. Such a remarkable device. Tricorders will seem ancient in a decade.
yeah i never thought I'd play Delta Force Blackhawk Down on the palm of my hands as i have been playing it on a desktop 2 decades ago lol crazy technology
15w performance is still not that great I might skip this gen for ryzen8000U instead nxt yr By that time maybe dual channel 32gb will be the norm in every $600-700 handhelds
@@wolfmelody2787 things just get started Intel will bring this same level of performance with meteor lake igpu sometime later We'll be in for a smooth ride for cheaper/decent ultrathins/handhelds
My Deck performed better in many Games than my past PC (i5 6400 GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB 16 GB DDR4) 1060 6GB is much stronger than the GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB if I remember right Excited for the ROG Ally :D
Been waiting for this level of usable performance since AMD bought ATI. Took waaaay longer than I expected but next year we'll finally get a mid range performance APU. Next year you will be able to get an APU with 3050 performance. Will be jumping on handhelds for the first time in the next month and hyped for next year.
I ran most of my games on the Steam Deck at 576p with FSR Lv 5 sharpness. Actually looks quite good on the built-in 1280x800 display. And most of them ran at anywhere from 45 to 60 fps locked at less than 10W of power. e.g. Tekken 7 (6W, 60 Hz refresh), Ace Combat 7 (7W, 45 Hz refresh).
@@SharapovaFan Control Ultimate Edition has like 100 FPS when you set the Game to 540p. Cant wait to actually see 100 Frames on that Game on the ROG Ally
Keep ‘em coming ETA. You know we hungry for the 7840u performance in these handhelds. I wish so much valve would just slap one in a steam deck and maybe update the screen and call it a day. I’m going to end up buying a ROG Ally at this rate.
Are there any solid specs for the Z1 Extreme APU? I'm curious to know how it should stack up against the 7840U. If this is the type of performance we can expect from the ROG Ally etc. 🤔
Thanks for the review. You used to put comparison of performance (benchmark, fps on games) against other devices/previous gen in an easy to read charts for easy reference on improvement from generation to generation and within the competition. I hope you include that again. Thanks.
Great system, but man those guys could’ve put two nice trackpads below the dpad and right stick; IMO that’s the only thing missing on these handhelds consoles.
I think there isn’t room for them given how tight they have the grip region. They’d have to go with a width similar to the Steam Deck’s for it to be usable and/or comfortable. The Deck’s placement is such that you can effortlessly use them without a thought when you raise your thumbs off the the joysticks. So even if this device had the width, near the bottom of the device would be super uncomfortable to use without basically changing your entire grip to use that specifically. Usability, not just throwing hardware at a thing, matters.
@@jponz85 yeah at that price point might aswell build a pc with that money, or better off with a laptop, spending 1000$CAD/800$USD+ on a handheld is too much for me.
I really like these new APUs. I think this is a major point in handheld gaming. Now you can play almost all games without huge compromises. I remember time when you need to use 960x540 with low settings, or even use some performance modifications to get good performance on old devices.
What time to be able to see devices efficiently maximize power in a handheld. The power of a GTX 1060 on the go is INSANE. It sucks that the emulation market is so small that they have to charge these high prices.
same, cant see anything on these micro screens, and I wish they stopped putting 1080p resolutions on these small screens, 720p is enough and it needs less power
@@ugot1try does it matter? I have the deck and ppl were complaining about it portability and how wide it is and not like the other handheld. Aya managed to squeeze a 8 inch screen in a smaller handheld than the deck. That’s a good thing
What keeps me from replacing my steam deck is the lack of touchpad from thus new devices. The feel neutered without it. And most of this new devices lacks 2 more grip buttons.
@@popcorn5968 You also have to think about how long to battery lasts. More power draw = less battery. If you're buying a handled just to play for 1 hours at that point just buy a laptop. If you're buying a handled to have it plugged in while playing, just buy a desktop. The steam deck has the perfect performance per battery life at the moment.
Thank you I had a really rough morning with congestion. I drove by ultimate comics at south hills and the entire parking lot was full. It looked like there was about 1000 people in line. The Tent ⛺️ of comic books looked spectacular. I just didn’t feel good enough to get out and walk around.
2 hours on 28W? Not really. Maybe one 1:30... because its only cpu package power. Any comparisons to 6800U? Because for now the perf looks similiar, except the emulation.
This should be about 10-15% more powerful. That's typical for these APU jumps. A 20-25% jump would be very impressive, but not really worth it to me as I bought a 6800u device. A 50% jump would mean If I can hit 1080p 30 fps on a game with a 6800u I would be able to hit about 45 fps on that new device. Id gain 15fps. A ten to 15% jump is just 3-4.5 fps. A 50% jump could be the different between playing a game at 20fps and 30fps, but that kind of jump is unlikely and unusual. A ten percent increase in power would only bring it up by 2 fps to 22 fps. So a 50% increase honestly isn't that dramatic imo. After buying in at a 6800u this won't enable any games I can't play, it won't do anything mine can't, it will just play a very games I have to run with fsr at slightly higher resolutions, but honestly, I wouldn't even do that. I'd keep it as low as possible anyways. So....what would be the point? Maybe I can push the settings justa. tiny bit more....but it's the same game anyways....wtf do I care? I've got waaaaay too much stuff to spend money on to care that one handheld can do slightly better settings lol. I suggest buying one that tickles your fancy, and then deleting all of these channels from your RUclips for a minimum of 2 years. Otherwise they will have you thinking every one is a major improvement when they are not. Every 2 to 3 years would be pretty reasonable if you have the money to blow as an upgrade cycle. You'll be happier, trust me.
We need advancement in cooling technology. There is new product called air jet from company called Frore and it will start coming in thin laptop from next year. I'm very excited for that to be in handheld pcs.
These new APUs are coming out so fast just as most 6800U handhelds are starting to be shipped out there's already a new model! I wonder how much more powerful is the 780M vs the 680M is it worth the price increase 🤔
Everyone is waiting for this processor to be launched in laptops! The weird thing is I have a sneaking suspicion we're going to see this processor paired up with a discrete GPU when many people are hungry just to have the integrated graphics with this chip in a laptop.
🎮💻 The future of handheld gaming looks incredibly promising and exciting. 🤩 💰The main thing they need to focus on is being competitive with their pricing /au niveau de la tarification/.
Hey ETA would you consider using CSGO or Rainbow Six Siege for some future testing/benchmarks with these new chips. I only play fps games and i would love to ditch my large pc for a mini one.
Can you do a 800p(or 720p) benchmark video of this device, because with such a small screen size 800p seems like a great choice to save power and gain performance?
A very interesting alternative to the Ally, especially with 32GBs of RAM. Seriously considering preordering this, but I don’t know much aokzoe, anyone here has previous experience ordering from them? Thank you.
I have the highest end A1. Had a Steam deck as well. A1 is a game changer for me. No issues at all, although they do have a rough launch. I’ve had it since October. I have a 4090 desktop and don’t use it nearly as much as I used to, because the portability of this is awesome. I play a variety of game types, including cyberpunk, and it plays fine.
I have one A1L 16GB/2TB steep beginning with the Windows that came (much better to put Ghost Spectre and use the official drivers from Aokzoe) but ZERO problems with it, really happy with this product
I can't speak on the product but I've had a nightmare dealing with the company trying to get any correspondence from them regarding a refund since they failed to deliver after the kickstarter ended. In the end I got a partial refund...awful company..
I think you would be better off buying the ASUS ROG Ally. Higher reputation company, global launch, same powerful chip, maybe 16GB RAM but the price is rumored to be reasonable and no need to gamble with these tier-2 manufacturers.
Thanks for all the responses, sorry to hear about your experience Jacob, that’s my main concern, specs wise this sounds better than the Ally, this is my own personal experience, I have bought dozens of Asus products, from video cards, to mobos, to monitors, to laptops, and haven’t ever experienced a single hardware problem, is this company going to be as reliable as Asus? The main reason I want 32GBs in my next handheld PC (also own a Steam deck) is so I can assign 24GBs to main memory and 8GBs to VRAM, that would allow for more future proofing for this device. Thank you again for your input, I’m hoping to hear more thoughts on this matter, especially your experiences dealing with Aokzoe!
Nice! How is the screen at 800p? I'd rather have higher settings and/or higher FPS and a bit lower resolution on a handheld. How is the performance @ 800p? How would SteamOS run on this device? Too bad it lacks a touch pad. Controlling Windows with a joystick is like peeing with your hands loose... Yeah, you can aim in a general direction, but hitting your target is hard. ;)
This thing looks like an awesome beast. For me, i compare all these latest windows type handhelds to my steam deck. This is another impressive looking machine but for me it hits the point of value. What am i wanting to play on it and willing to spend? The SD strikes a more reasonable balance for my use/application, however the future is bright for these handhelds as more and more powerful APU’s come out. I know performance-wise, this is more powerful than the SD
You didn't mention in the video (great video btw) how the screen compares to other devices. It is native landscape? Colors bright and accurate or washed out? How does it handle screen dimming? Any stuttering? With that new Ally boasting 500nits and 120Hz@1080p, plus vrr, I feel like these are important details that need to be discussed and compared.
Is this brand trustworthy? Like If I have a problem with the device, do they have good warranty and stuff? Or I buy this and then I'll be on my own? Great video as always!
At this point we're going to end up having 4000USD handhelds that will run emulated Switch games and AAA games like Howards Legacy at 4K 60fps max settings. I really don't like this trend. I personally have 3 handhelds, an old jailbroken PS Vita, an Anbernic RG351M and a Switch Lite. I can play anything I want on those handhelds and I really don't need anything else. If I want AAA PC games, that's what a PC is for. For the price of this Aokzoe A1 you can buy all the portable devices I own with all their accessories and a lot of games for the Switch Lite. That's insane.
The price for handhelds like this in the PC space has been over 1000 dollars for nearly a decade. It hasn't risen. In fact it's gotten cheaper recently due to Valve and the Steam Deck. Your worries are unfounded.
Quality of life ideas (Software)- + *Mouse + Keyboard mode* - implement a 'Xpadder' like application so the controller can be used to play PC games that do not have native controller support. i.e. can assign keyboard keys to controller button. + *Library front end and System controls menu integration* - have a games library front end or team up with front end devs like 'Playnite' and have plugins or integrate system controls with the front end. e.g. can go to and from the library front end while a game is running system controls i.e. volume, wattage, rumble, lighting etc.. are submenus in the library have floating mini menus off all you can call up during a game, like Xbox game bar. + *Easier to access and understand system buttons* - In the OXP 2's case the buttons are still a little confusing. Left bottom bottom button = 'Desktop' button Right bottom button = controller/mouse mode toggle button Right bottom bottom button = light on/adjuster Top volume buttons = keyboard & desktop mode?? The system control button is next to the volume buttons. Couldn't they just go back to the OXP Mini Pro and also have system controls (aside from volume) all be in one place? Left bottom bottom button = Desktop button Right bottom button = controller/mouse toggle Right bottom bottom button = System controls menu that has adjustable lights in the options in it as well. System controls will also have an 'Xpadder' like option to make mouse & keyboard mode configurations. Move the 'System control menu or 'turbo' phyical button from the top of the device down to the left bottom position and make it a game console controller 'Home key' like the Xbox, Playstation and Switch's home key buttons. This is useful for emulators that map out the Xbox, Playstation and Switch controllers. + *Configurable power profiles* - When docked or power cable connected you can switch to or can have it automatically switch to pre-configured settings Just an example Handheld mode - 15W, rgb lights off, 40% brightness Desktop mode - 28W, rgb lights on, 60% brightness, 1080 external display output Games can also be configured with under those power profile settings (If possible) Quality of life ideas (Hardware) + *backpedals to be standard* - Should be a standard on all modern controllers, especially for handheld gaming PCs to allow more gaming functionality. example. Back pedals if deep enough can take over as actual pedals for racing games, while freeing up the triggers to be used like...triggers and allowing your index fingers to simultaneously use either the triggers and bumper buttons. 'Shift' & 'Ctrl' keys, Backpedal buttons can essentially become these as well as its easier to just hold or toggle while giving all other buttons on the controller a second function there by doubling all of the buttons on a controller.
Hi, nice video on this device very, will there be any more AOK ZOE A1 Pro videos? I would like a comparison with the Asus ROG Ally on their gaming performance please. Thanks!
I can't even touch 60fps in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p on low settings on my 80W GTX 1660Ti and 45W i7-9750H but this APU is touching 60+ FPS so effortlessly!
I am excited for next few years of new tech stuff. Things are accelerating fast with the dawn of AI helping us drive tech advances further. Exciting times. Glad to be alive. Maybe we can play Cyberpunk on a handheld in 2 years
I would lock all my games to 900p and crank the settings to high/ ultra. I don’t think they’d be a massive difference in sharpness as compared to playing games with higher settings than low.
I really wish screen resolution didn't have to increase with the GPU performance every time. 720 or 900p are perfectly fine for this sized screen. I would much rather have 900p high settings locked at 60 than 1200p medium to low. I think handheld designers should make sure we can play modern games at decent frame rates and settings before they go up on resolution.
funny how now a mobile U type processor which is for power saving with an APU destroys my "Gaming laptop" 9300H laptop with a dedicated 1650 gpu in performance in these games, technology advances so fast!
Don’t get me started with my i5 4510U + GT 830M, next year it would be 10 years old and won’t even run Project Zomboid at 30fps or RUclips 1080p/60 😂 perfect time to upgrade 🎉
Youve got both blue and white versions?! Thats awesome! I really want to know which to buy, the base $799 version of this, or the z1e ally, doing more newer gaming, with light emulation
Gotta love "HARDCORE GAMERS" printed on the housing unironically, as it the device is for a middle school kid who can't afford it. Something I'd like to see on these devices - no RGB aside from backlit keys, and VRR screens.
would be cool to see some total warhammer 3 benchmarks. nice mix of turn-based and real time elements. So that would probably cover games like turn timer games like civ as well. is there any netplay videos you can do, or is that a no-go?
Yeah dude, my Deck is sold - just that amazing screen - prob gonna go with the Ally, just the 3 months of GamePass ultimate and BestBuy rewards certificates kicks the price down almost $100
Why would people who already own a gaming pc care that other people are buying a newer gaming pc? That doesn't make any sense? Do you think Steam Deck owners are like....emotionally invested in whether or not buyers see the Steam deck as a good purchase? That would be insane. Why would they do that? That isn't normal or reasonable at all. And I think it's really worrying that you think people would react that way. Have you considered seeing a therapist?
$799 for the 512gb model is a lot more competitive, I’d actually like to see it have a 1080p screen and 120 hz refresh instead of a 1200p resolution. I’d rather have a higher refresh rate than a resolution. I like the price is getting more competitive I do think it needs to come down further still but a gtx 1060 with controls a screen etc for $799 isn’t bad 👀 it’s getting better. That’s what we need for the handheld space. Eventually we will have a day that these are more commonplace than a niche product
1200p is a middle ground for emulation. 16:10 closer to 4:3. If they were to get rid of the 16:10, then I'd like to see 1440p and then we could use upscalers while running it at 720p 120hz :)
@@boblablaw4857 This likely wasn't built for emulation. It can support an eGPU, and has enough ummph to play modern games at reduced settings. I'm actually kinda tempted, but I have a fairly bad taste with kickstarter/indigogo. Bought a Sous Vide machine and it was two years after they expected before I saw the device.
Hey, what is your take on ROG Ally vs. AOKZOE A1 Pro? Is the Portrait-Display on the AOKZOE a dealbreaker? The AOKZOE looks in every aspect better than the Ally, except the screen.
The original A1 has been my go to handheld since it came out and I'm excited to try out the A1 Pro! Great video as always! I'm Definitely going to do a side by side comparison.
Why not show at least mid settings? It’s always low settings 🤦🏽♂️ But anyway, I wouldn’t consider buying anything from this company, because from the reviews I’ve seen and story I’ve heard, it’s just not a company to support, and they literally don’t give a damn about their consumers. I’ll wait for the Rog ally to take steam.
Those reviews are from idiots who backed a project with no guarantee of delivery and were shocked and outraged when they realized that the tiny boutique company can't immediately pump out a perfect product for them, even though they LITERALLY PAID MONEY TO RECEIVE THE 1ST PRODUCTION RUN SAMPLES. You were literally reading the comments of complete and utter idiots. If you buy any, and I do mean any, of the Chinese products at retail, they are practically flawless. The internet reviews and crap are inundated with early adopters who buy early, get a massive discount for backing the initial production, and still expect FUCKING PERFECTION. Does that sound like the group of people you should listen to when making a purchasing decision? The idiots literally gamble with their money, because indiegogo and kickstarter won't do SHIT if a Chinese company just takes the money and runs. Those people are morons. GPD recently had a hitch where their bitton supplier sent them some bad buttons, they chose to swap in some other buttons from another company, but the color was slightly darker. They did this for a few units to meet their shipping deadlines for the indiegogo campaign. They switch back the color as soon as they got new buttons in. It was literally just 2 slightly darker shoulder buttons. People acted like GPD had tied them up and forced them to watch while their employees graped their mother to death. Some people sent death threats, a few made racial comments about them. others canceled ordered entirely, and more bitched and moaned and said "I'll never buy here again". Over 2 slightly darker buttons. And those are the racist ignorant morons you are listening to.
Yeah, it's the most popular controller configuration in the world by a wide margin. Like the guy mentioned above, it's the industry standard. It's best to aim at the majority instead of the minority
One thing i'd add are games that use pointers A LOT, this control scheme drives me nuts but some of these games are good, and hilights why trackpads are still important for handhelds. What would be nice for these handhelds is if you could switch the screen between touch, and trackpad mode, negating the need for a dedicated trackpad like the Steamdeck or GPD WINMAX
I would really love if you included comparisons to 680M and steam deck etc., I often see people on reddit complaining about the low depth of these reviews, I think this would push the videos to the next level👍
The steam deck is 3x slower than this.
@@ivankovachev8835 no, its not.
@@ivankovachev8835 I think like 2.25x slower
Check out the phawx. He has done some pretty in depth content comparing steam deck against 6800u and 7840u. Even compared to the new A1 extreme (which I am now kinda disappointed by) it's very stat heavy, but check it out
I still can't believe how this thing is performing so good. Is it due to the memory?
Faster than a 1650. Slower than a 1060 (6GB). Still- an amazing feat of efficacy at 30-ish Watts.
Wow the future of handheld gaming looks so exciting!
Handhelds that have far more capabilities than most of the big servers that the Internet was built on just a couple decades ago. Such a remarkable device. Tricorders will seem ancient in a decade.
yeah i never thought I'd play Delta Force Blackhawk Down on the palm of my hands as i have been playing it on a desktop 2 decades ago lol crazy technology
Couple of decades? These are faster than CPUs some five years ago.
Let's go we are almost there
Nice. It’s about time APUs start showing some decent performance for what these companies charge. 😂
its really not that insane in pricing, given they use laptop processors.
Keep in mind these are usually the fastest handhelds in the world. pretty impressive hehe.
This is better than the Sega Game Gear.
You probably pay more for your cellphone that does less
@@Nickbaldeagle02 worse battery life, though ;-)
I love my Steam Deck and don't plan on upgrading anytime soon but I'm seriously impressed by how fast things are advancing in this space.
15w performance is still not that great
I might skip this gen for ryzen8000U instead nxt yr
By that time maybe dual channel 32gb will be the norm in every $600-700 handhelds
@@HuntaKiller91 same ill skip for 8000 series
@@wolfmelody2787 things just get started
Intel will bring this same level of performance with meteor lake igpu sometime later
We'll be in for a smooth ride for cheaper/decent ultrathins/handhelds
@@HuntaKiller91 because Intel is known for its stellar graphic driver support
@@HuntaKiller91 d riding when everyone knows better at this point 🤣
The power of Gtx 1060 in the palm of your hand
Full powered non mobile 1060 is on whole different level of performance.
@@theSeventhDruid pascal 1060 was actually just as fast as the desktop one lol
My Deck performed better in many Games than my past PC (i5 6400 GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB 16 GB DDR4)
1060 6GB is much stronger than the GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB if I remember right
Excited for the ROG Ally :D
@@theSeventhDruid I wonder how a GTX 1060 performs at 30 watts lol
Beautifully said
Been waiting for this level of usable performance since AMD bought ATI. Took waaaay longer than I expected but next year we'll finally get a mid range performance APU. Next year you will be able to get an APU with 3050 performance. Will be jumping on handhelds for the first time in the next month and hyped for next year.
15W + 800P with FSR => perfect experience
I ran most of my games on the Steam Deck at 576p with FSR Lv 5 sharpness. Actually looks quite good on the built-in 1280x800 display. And most of them ran at anywhere from 45 to 60 fps locked at less than 10W of power. e.g. Tekken 7 (6W, 60 Hz refresh), Ace Combat 7 (7W, 45 Hz refresh).
Yup agreed. With this you'll get really good perf and batt life!
@@SharapovaFan Control Ultimate Edition has like 100 FPS when you set the Game to 540p. Cant wait to actually see 100 Frames on that Game on the ROG Ally
Imagine with FSR 3....Almost 50% more frame rate
@@vasilisbill if it works like it should, wouldn’t it be closer to 100% extra frames?
glad to see warframe tested. The fact of the performance being as good as it is, definitely impressive.
Keep ‘em coming ETA. You know we hungry for the 7840u performance in these handhelds. I wish so much valve would just slap one in a steam deck and maybe update the screen and call it a day. I’m going to end up buying a ROG Ally at this rate.
Yup, Hoping to preorder one next week 🤞🏼🤞🏼
on the fence for a pre-order. Would love to see an indepth review first before slapping down some cash.
@@FishyFelix I just want native GamePass and that better screen and of course performance and speakers.
Are there any solid specs for the Z1 Extreme APU? I'm curious to know how it should stack up against the 7840U. If this is the type of performance we can expect from the ROG Ally etc. 🤔
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Thanks for the review. You used to put comparison of performance (benchmark, fps on games) against other devices/previous gen in an easy to read charts for easy reference on improvement from generation to generation and within the competition. I hope you include that again. Thanks.
32gb as standard, finally! As both RAM and VRAM that definitely helps
Damn these new AMD APUs are amazing
Looks like you were really careful not to show high settings.
Good review as usual
Great system, but man those guys could’ve put two nice trackpads below the dpad and right stick; IMO that’s the only thing missing on these handhelds consoles.
I think there isn’t room for them given how tight they have the grip region. They’d have to go with a width similar to the Steam Deck’s for it to be usable and/or comfortable. The Deck’s placement is such that you can effortlessly use them without a thought when you raise your thumbs off the the joysticks. So even if this device had the width, near the bottom of the device would be super uncomfortable to use without basically changing your entire grip to use that specifically. Usability, not just throwing hardware at a thing, matters.
The power of the 1060 on the handheld is astonishing, then I look out the price and I'm out...
Base model is $800 not that bad, steam deck lover 🙄
@markel why you so mad? Lol just cause he mentioned price all of a sudden he's a steam lover? LMAO 🤡🤡
Once more competition comes out, you’ll probably see prices come down some.
@@jponz85 yeah at that price point might aswell build a pc with that money, or better off with a laptop, spending 1000$CAD/800$USD+ on a handheld is too much for me.
@@Jaxv3r yeah but you can't use those while lying down in bed about to fall asleep...
Would like to see the lower resolutions with med/high textures
This perfomance is insane. A handheld that is not that far of a Series S. Imagine if in 3 years we could match a PS5 on a handheld.
Who need a PC now when your console could do all normal office task. Change my mind, *drink*
I really like these new APUs. I think this is a major point in handheld gaming. Now you can play almost all games without huge compromises. I remember time when you need to use 960x540 with low settings, or even use some performance modifications to get good performance on old devices.
What time to be able to see devices efficiently maximize power in a handheld. The power of a GTX 1060 on the go is INSANE. It sucks that the emulation market is so small that they have to charge these high prices.
Would be nice if one of these reviewers reviews their RMA/Repair experience with one of these handhelnds
For me I really like the size of the steamdeck, I hope we see full size handhelds like that instead of these smaller handhelds
same, cant see anything on these micro screens, and I wish they stopped putting 1080p resolutions on these small screens, 720p is enough and it needs less power
@@faustinpippin9208 This has an 8 inch screen though. That's bigger than the steam deck
This is a 8 inch screen. Way bigger than the deck lol
@@omariorou1339 but it's a smaller device, compact form means nothing to me personally
@@ugot1try does it matter? I have the deck and ppl were complaining about it portability and how wide it is and not like the other handheld. Aya managed to squeeze a 8 inch screen in a smaller handheld than the deck. That’s a good thing
I still love my steamdeck but just seeing how fast these new chips are improving is crazy.
What keeps me from replacing my steam deck is the lack of touchpad from thus new devices. The feel neutered without it. And most of this new devices lacks 2 more grip buttons.
@@popcorn5968 You also have to think about how long to battery lasts. More power draw = less battery. If you're buying a handled just to play for 1 hours at that point just buy a laptop. If you're buying a handled to have it plugged in while playing, just buy a desktop. The steam deck has the perfect performance per battery life at the moment.
The newest AMD Framework laptop has exactly this APU. Hope you'll test it, too.
I was feeling sad today but saw this video and knew everything is going to be A OK.
Thank you I had a really rough morning with congestion. I drove by ultimate comics at south hills and the entire parking lot was full. It looked like there was about 1000 people in line. The Tent ⛺️ of comic books looked spectacular. I just didn’t feel good enough to get out and walk around.
2 hours on 28W? Not really. Maybe one 1:30... because its only cpu package power. Any comparisons to 6800U? Because for now the perf looks similiar, except the emulation.
This should be about 10-15% more powerful. That's typical for these APU jumps. A 20-25% jump would be very impressive, but not really worth it to me as I bought a 6800u device. A 50% jump would mean If I can hit 1080p 30 fps on a game with a 6800u I would be able to hit about 45 fps on that new device. Id gain 15fps. A ten to 15% jump is just 3-4.5 fps.
A 50% jump could be the different between playing a game at 20fps and 30fps, but that kind of jump is unlikely and unusual. A ten percent increase in power would only bring it up by 2 fps to 22 fps.
So a 50% increase honestly isn't that dramatic imo. After buying in at a 6800u this won't enable any games I can't play, it won't do anything mine can't, it will just play a very games I have to run with fsr at slightly higher resolutions, but honestly, I wouldn't even do that. I'd keep it as low as possible anyways. So....what would be the point? Maybe I can push the settings justa. tiny bit more....but it's the same game anyways....wtf do I care? I've got waaaaay too much stuff to spend money on to care that one handheld can do slightly better settings lol.
I suggest buying one that tickles your fancy, and then deleting all of these channels from your RUclips for a minimum of 2 years. Otherwise they will have you thinking every one is a major improvement when they are not. Every 2 to 3 years would be pretty reasonable if you have the money to blow as an upgrade cycle. You'll be happier, trust me.
When will these companies start putting trackpads on their systems?
We need advancement in cooling technology.
There is new product called air jet from company called Frore and it will start coming in thin laptop from next year.
I'm very excited for that to be in handheld pcs.
These new APUs are coming out so fast just as most 6800U handhelds are starting to be shipped out there's already a new model! I wonder how much more powerful is the 780M vs the 680M is it worth the price increase 🤔
10-15% ranging up to 20% at most in theoretical benchmarks
So this is faster than both the steam and Rog Ally that's about to come out right?
No the Ally can max out at 5.2ghz
Definitely faster than Steam Deck. A bit slower than Ally if it has lpddr5-7500 but also if Ally's CPU is a specially tuned version of the 7840u.
If the ally is faster i dont see who will buy AOkzoe with stupid name 😂
Everyone is waiting for this processor to be launched in laptops! The weird thing is I have a sneaking suspicion we're going to see this processor paired up with a discrete GPU when many people are hungry just to have the integrated graphics with this chip in a laptop.
🎮💻 The future of handheld gaming looks incredibly promising and exciting. 🤩 💰The main thing they need to focus on is being competitive with their pricing /au niveau de la tarification/.
That screen is gorgeous.
Hey ETA would you consider using CSGO or Rainbow Six Siege for some future testing/benchmarks with these new chips. I only play fps games and i would love to ditch my large pc for a mini one.
could you show some new games with high/max settings at 28w and 1200p?
Can you do a 800p(or 720p) benchmark video of this device, because with such a small screen size 800p seems like a great choice to save power and gain performance?
Interesting to see comparison with 6800U :)
Another thing I'm excited about this new Apu is how well new laptop will be!
its insane how far handheld pc has become
also nice to see warframe being tested there too
I always feel like 720p is probably best for handheld, saves power gets enough fps on most games
I guess the question is how it compares against the ROG Ally
A very interesting alternative to the Ally, especially with 32GBs of RAM. Seriously considering preordering this, but I don’t know much aokzoe, anyone here has previous experience ordering from them? Thank you.
I have the highest end A1. Had a Steam deck as well.
A1 is a game changer for me. No issues at all, although they do have a rough launch.
I’ve had it since October.
I have a 4090 desktop and don’t use it nearly as much as I used to, because the portability of this is awesome.
I play a variety of game types, including cyberpunk, and it plays fine.
I have one A1L 16GB/2TB steep beginning with the Windows that came (much better to put Ghost Spectre and use the official drivers from Aokzoe) but ZERO problems with it, really happy with this product
I can't speak on the product but I've had a nightmare dealing with the company trying to get any correspondence from them regarding a refund since they failed to deliver after the kickstarter ended. In the end I got a partial refund...awful company..
I think you would be better off buying the ASUS ROG Ally. Higher reputation company, global launch, same powerful chip, maybe 16GB RAM but the price is rumored to be reasonable and no need to gamble with these tier-2 manufacturers.
Thanks for all the responses, sorry to hear about your experience Jacob, that’s my main concern, specs wise this sounds better than the Ally, this is my own personal experience, I have bought dozens of Asus products, from video cards, to mobos, to monitors, to laptops, and haven’t ever experienced a single hardware problem, is this company going to be as reliable as Asus?
The main reason I want 32GBs in my next handheld PC (also own a Steam deck) is so I can assign 24GBs to main memory and 8GBs to VRAM, that would allow for more future proofing for this device.
Thank you again for your input, I’m hoping to hear more thoughts on this matter, especially your experiences dealing with Aokzoe!
I ordered this handheld, I can't wait for it to arrive
Nice! How is the screen at 800p? I'd rather have higher settings and/or higher FPS and a bit lower resolution on a handheld. How is the performance @ 800p? How would SteamOS run on this device? Too bad it lacks a touch pad. Controlling Windows with a joystick is like peeing with your hands loose... Yeah, you can aim in a general direction, but hitting your target is hard. ;)
I run my 1080p screen at 720p and it looks great on a 6 inch screen.
The question is, do I go for this or the Asus ROG Ally?
This thing looks like an awesome beast. For me, i compare all these latest windows type handhelds to my steam deck. This is another impressive looking machine but for me it hits the point of value. What am i wanting to play on it and willing to spend? The SD strikes a more reasonable balance for my use/application, however the future is bright for these handhelds as more and more powerful APU’s come out. I know performance-wise, this is more powerful than the SD
Can you do a comparison from the 680m vs 780m it would be cool to watch
Thank you Russ for another amazing review!! You have helped me make such sound decisions on how I spend money on myself. Anyways thank you bro.
Keen to see these chips in a proper pc, no power limit, I'm sure it'd be 1080p medium/high across the board
You didn't mention in the video (great video btw) how the screen compares to other devices. It is native landscape? Colors bright and accurate or washed out? How does it handle screen dimming? Any stuttering?
With that new Ally boasting 500nits and 120Hz@1080p, plus vrr, I feel like these are important details that need to be discussed and compared.
Can you give us a rough estimate advantage over Steam Deck and/or 6800U in %?
Is this brand trustworthy? Like If I have a problem with the device, do they have good warranty and stuff? Or I buy this and then I'll be on my own? Great video as always!
I also like to see a comparison with the Ally. Keep up the awesome videos!
At this point we're going to end up having 4000USD handhelds that will run emulated Switch games and AAA games like Howards Legacy at 4K 60fps max settings. I really don't like this trend. I personally have 3 handhelds, an old jailbroken PS Vita, an Anbernic RG351M and a Switch Lite. I can play anything I want on those handhelds and I really don't need anything else. If I want AAA PC games, that's what a PC is for. For the price of this Aokzoe A1 you can buy all the portable devices I own with all their accessories and a lot of games for the Switch Lite. That's insane.
The price for handhelds like this in the PC space has been over 1000 dollars for nearly a decade. It hasn't risen. In fact it's gotten cheaper recently due to Valve and the Steam Deck. Your worries are unfounded.
This device looks so good. If only it had VRR I'd buy it.
i mean it feels like it has some form of vrr to be honest.
Quality of life ideas (Software)-
+ *Mouse + Keyboard mode* - implement a 'Xpadder' like application so the controller can be used to play PC games that do not have native controller support. i.e. can assign keyboard keys to controller button.
+ *Library front end and System controls menu integration* - have a games library front end or team up with front end devs like 'Playnite' and have plugins or integrate system controls with the front end.
e.g. can go to and from the library front end while a game is running
system controls i.e. volume, wattage, rumble, lighting etc.. are submenus in the library
have floating mini menus off all you can call up during a game, like Xbox game bar.
+ *Easier to access and understand system buttons* - In the OXP 2's case the buttons are still a little confusing.
Left bottom bottom button = 'Desktop' button
Right bottom button = controller/mouse mode toggle button
Right bottom bottom button = light on/adjuster
Top volume buttons = keyboard & desktop mode??
The system control button is next to the volume buttons.
Couldn't they just go back to the OXP Mini Pro and also have system controls (aside from volume) all be in one place?
Left bottom bottom button = Desktop button
Right bottom button = controller/mouse toggle
Right bottom bottom button = System controls menu that has adjustable lights in the options in it as well.
System controls will also have an 'Xpadder' like option to make mouse & keyboard mode configurations.
Move the 'System control menu or 'turbo' phyical button from the top of the device down to the left bottom position and make it a game console controller 'Home key' like the Xbox, Playstation and Switch's home key buttons.
This is useful for emulators that map out the Xbox, Playstation and Switch controllers.
+ *Configurable power profiles* - When docked or power cable connected you can switch to or can have it automatically switch to pre-configured settings
Just an example
Handheld mode - 15W, rgb lights off, 40% brightness
Desktop mode - 28W, rgb lights on, 60% brightness, 1080 external display output
Games can also be configured with under those power profile settings (If possible)
Quality of life ideas (Hardware)
+ *backpedals to be standard* - Should be a standard on all modern controllers, especially for handheld gaming PCs to allow more gaming functionality.
example.
Back pedals if deep enough can take over as actual pedals for racing games, while freeing up the triggers to be used like...triggers and allowing your index fingers to simultaneously use either the triggers and bumper buttons.
'Shift' & 'Ctrl' keys, Backpedal buttons can essentially become these as well as its easier to just hold or toggle while giving all other buttons on the controller a second function there by doubling all of the buttons on a controller.
Hi, nice video on this device very, will there be any more AOK ZOE A1 Pro videos? I would like a comparison with the Asus ROG Ally on their gaming performance please. Thanks!
Man, imagine this in a 14" inch Elitebook, business in the front, party in the back
Would love to see 100Wh battery option. Don't mind the slight extra weight for longer runtime.
would like to see egpu, emulation testing, battery life. Great video though
That would be really heavy
I can't even touch 60fps in Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p on low settings on my 80W GTX 1660Ti and 45W i7-9750H but this APU is touching 60+ FPS so effortlessly!
Can't wait for desktop APUs
I am excited for next few years of new tech stuff.
Things are accelerating fast with the dawn of AI helping us drive tech advances further. Exciting times. Glad to be alive.
Maybe we can play Cyberpunk on a handheld in 2 years
hasn't cyberpunk been shown to be more than playable on this device though?
This is bananas. I'm going to love the Ally!!!
I wish you would show charts comparing performance to other chipsets / devices.
I would lock all my games to 900p and crank the settings to high/ ultra. I don’t think they’d be a massive difference in sharpness as compared to playing games with higher settings than low.
I really wish screen resolution didn't have to increase with the GPU performance every time. 720 or 900p are perfectly fine for this sized screen. I would much rather have 900p high settings locked at 60 than 1200p medium to low. I think handheld designers should make sure we can play modern games at decent frame rates and settings before they go up on resolution.
I would definitely play on high settings 30fps rather than low 60fps. Low settings make the game look like a ps2 game.
ETA, are you that person named SONY in all of my geeky discord servers?
funny how now a mobile U type processor which is for power saving with an APU destroys my "Gaming laptop" 9300H laptop with a dedicated 1650 gpu in performance in these games, technology advances so fast!
Don’t get me started with my i5 4510U + GT 830M, next year it would be 10 years old and won’t even run Project Zomboid at 30fps or RUclips 1080p/60 😂 perfect time to upgrade 🎉
Youve got both blue and white versions?! Thats awesome! I really want to know which to buy, the base $799 version of this, or the z1e ally, doing more newer gaming, with light emulation
Gotta love "HARDCORE GAMERS" printed on the housing unironically, as it the device is for a middle school kid who can't afford it.
Something I'd like to see on these devices - no RGB aside from backlit keys, and VRR screens.
That geekbench score its the same than the M1 Pro, that cpu its crazy
GTX1060 is equal to RTX3050 35w of My Laptop, which is crazy.
Would really love to see medium settings with max tdp just to get an idea about the potential.
would be cool to see some total warhammer 3 benchmarks. nice mix of turn-based and real time elements. So that would probably cover games like turn timer games like civ as well. is there any netplay videos you can do, or is that a no-go?
this works as a phone too would be best, i will bring a cool little backpack for this phone everywhere i go
Please at least set the texture at high settings . I really would like to see the maximum that a device like this can achieve .
Deck destroyed. Theres no coming back from this. Deck owners just soiled their pants!!!!!! RIP
No. It doesn't have trackpads. I'm sticking with the Deck.
Yeah dude, my Deck is sold - just that amazing screen - prob gonna go with the Ally, just the 3 months of GamePass ultimate and BestBuy rewards certificates kicks the price down almost $100
Lol.
Kevin B the deck has been destroyed since 6800u.
Why would people who already own a gaming pc care that other people are buying a newer gaming pc? That doesn't make any sense? Do you think Steam Deck owners are like....emotionally invested in whether or not buyers see the Steam deck as a good purchase? That would be insane. Why would they do that? That isn't normal or reasonable at all. And I think it's really worrying that you think people would react that way. Have you considered seeing a therapist?
I cant wait for the new Alienware Handheld coming soon its going to blow this out the water man lol
Kickstand should be a must for all handhelds.
$799 for the 512gb model is a lot more competitive, I’d actually like to see it have a 1080p screen and 120 hz refresh instead of a 1200p resolution. I’d rather have a higher refresh rate than a resolution. I like the price is getting more competitive I do think it needs to come down further still but a gtx 1060 with controls a screen etc for $799 isn’t bad 👀 it’s getting better. That’s what we need for the handheld space. Eventually we will have a day that these are more commonplace than a niche product
Probably the proportions of the device dictated a 1200p screen. Probably could have gotten the refresh tho.
1200p is a middle ground for emulation. 16:10 closer to 4:3. If they were to get rid of the 16:10, then I'd like to see 1440p and then we could use upscalers while running it at 720p 120hz :)
$800 of the few 100 units.... $1000 for the rest
@@boblablaw4857 This likely wasn't built for emulation. It can support an eGPU, and has enough ummph to play modern games at reduced settings. I'm actually kinda tempted, but I have a fairly bad taste with kickstarter/indigogo. Bought a Sous Vide machine and it was two years after they expected before I saw the device.
@@jesusbarrera6916 However, even at $1K, it's still a pretty decent value proposition. But, see my other comment.
Hey, what is your take on ROG Ally vs. AOKZOE A1 Pro?
Is the Portrait-Display on the AOKZOE a dealbreaker? The AOKZOE looks in every aspect better than the Ally, except the screen.
The original A1 has been my go to handheld since it came out and I'm excited to try out the A1 Pro! Great video as always! I'm Definitely going to do a side by side comparison.
the 799$ is very well priced for what it is... if it were coming from a Brand I recognized I'd buy one up tomorrow
Why not show at least mid settings? It’s always low settings 🤦🏽♂️
But anyway, I wouldn’t consider buying anything from this company, because from the reviews I’ve seen and story I’ve heard, it’s just not a company to support, and they literally don’t give a damn about their consumers.
I’ll wait for the Rog ally to take steam.
Those reviews are from idiots who backed a project with no guarantee of delivery and were shocked and outraged when they realized that the tiny boutique company can't immediately pump out a perfect product for them, even though they LITERALLY PAID MONEY TO RECEIVE THE 1ST PRODUCTION RUN SAMPLES.
You were literally reading the comments of complete and utter idiots.
If you buy any, and I do mean any, of the Chinese products at retail, they are practically flawless. The internet reviews and crap are inundated with early adopters who buy early, get a massive discount for backing the initial production, and still expect FUCKING PERFECTION.
Does that sound like the group of people you should listen to when making a purchasing decision? The idiots literally gamble with their money, because indiegogo and kickstarter won't do SHIT if a Chinese company just takes the money and runs.
Those people are morons.
GPD recently had a hitch where their bitton supplier sent them some bad buttons, they chose to swap in some other buttons from another company, but the color was slightly darker. They did this for a few units to meet their shipping deadlines for the indiegogo campaign. They switch back the color as soon as they got new buttons in.
It was literally just 2 slightly darker shoulder buttons.
People acted like GPD had tied them up and forced them to watch while their employees graped their mother to death. Some people sent death threats, a few made racial comments about them. others canceled ordered entirely, and more bitched and moaned and said "I'll never buy here again". Over 2 slightly darker buttons.
And those are the racist ignorant morons you are listening to.
Would really love to see Bladurs Gate 3 on steam on this.
these APUs are taking us for a very loong interesting ride. we are still praying for 8GBs of APU graphics power and we do away with desktops forever
Nice. One thing I'd like to know is why everyone sees to place their analog sticks in that position. Anyone have an answer for me?
(whispers nintendo)
Industry standard
Yeah, it's the most popular controller configuration in the world by a wide margin. Like the guy mentioned above, it's the industry standard. It's best to aim at the majority instead of the minority
The Switch and most controllers not called DualShock have the sticks in that setup.
Very disappointing ETA doesn't show CPU, CPU hotspot, and GPU temperatures.... huge oversight
Hey thanks a lot for testing this out. My first handheld pc will either be this or the ROG Ally. Can you please test Hunt: Showdown on this? Thank you
One thing i'd add are games that use pointers A LOT, this control scheme drives me nuts but some of these games are good, and hilights why trackpads are still important for handhelds. What would be nice for these handhelds is if you could switch the screen between touch, and trackpad mode, negating the need for a dedicated trackpad like the Steamdeck or GPD WINMAX
Windows has a built in touch trackpad
@@CPUjunkie And using it is going to sound great, just too bad you cant see the game when you have that track pad full screen
touchpad on the back with a cover would be great. like the ps controllers.
Funny that I'm sure most people base their purchase on these reviews and they don't listen to or consult with the reviewer.
Awesome video as always.Would you mind testing GOW 2018 and Returnal as well?
Can you do another video on this like you mentioned ? They have upgrade the RAM now to 7500 mhz too
I would like to see Diablo 4 beta, Overwatch 2 and Fortnite ! :)
Just imagine with this cpu on budget laptops below 500 dollars
Please do a video on best RDNA 3 handheld. A comparison is needed