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4:14 Back To School
Quick Bits
17:30 Logan Paul Sues Coffeezilla Update
Karen Read
30:46 Road So Far
42:25 Commonwealth's Post Trial Notice Disclosure
56:54 Yanetti's Statement to the Media
59:07 Defendant's Third Supplemental Memorandum of Her Motion to Dismiss
1:06:10 Q&A
1:07:05 Summary
1:10:40 Q&A
1:19:30 Alec Baldwin Procedural Summary
2:01:30 Summary
Rust Armorer Hannah Gutierrez updates
2:04:48 Road So Far
2:08:00 State's Response for Motion for New Trial
2:13:35 🚨CODE RED🚨
3:40:00 Summary
3:44:45 Q&A
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It's such good sick day watching!
I'm just sad I missed the poll
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This Morrissey stuff boils down to this fact: the same thing she convicted Hannah of was not having checked the bullets herself. She did not check them herself, and she should have.
True. "I didn't know" only goes so far when it's your job to know.
😂 omg it’s too perfect 🫠
@@floweringevergreen3584 I’m sorry, but you seem to be trivializing what it is to go on trial as responsible for the death of someone, being convicted because the jury may have believed you intentionally brought live rounds onto a movie set, and then being sent to prison.
You’re also overlooking that depending on whether Hannah was set up and the set sabotaged - or she was solely at fault - makes a huge difference in how one is sentenced. Judges look at the entire set of circumstances to determine a defendant’s level of culpability.
Prison is a dangerous place - especially when incarcerated for manslaughter. People die there. People are unintentionally caught up in fights - they may be targeted for various reasons. Regardless, the whole experience of going to prison is dehumanizing. And if you happen to have a medical crisis while doing time, there’s no guarantee you’ll get proper medical treatment.
So I think it’s entirely appropriate to assert that Morressey was at least as negligent, amoral and indifferent to human life as Hannah.
The difference, of course, is that while Hannah had duties and responsibilities pertaining to a low-budget movie, Morressey had ethical and legal obligations to the defendant, the Court, the State - and indeed to the entire judicial system that she is sworn to uphold.
You don't think she checked them? You believe her line about doubting their evidentiary value? It seems clear and obvious to me that she was hiding what she knew to be evidence. She knew it was exculpatory evidence and that is why she hid it. She had them log it under a different case number *and* got the tech who wrote the report to lie on the stand too. The bullets and Tesky's statements make it fairly certain Hannah did not have free and easy access to the ammunition that was brought onto the set and could not have accidentally brought any of her Dad's bullets because they were in Tesky's garage. It proves too, imho, that Seth is most likely to have brought that live ammo onto the film set.
@@jenniferlynn3537EXACTLY……
All I hear is “your honour is this an objection or is she just going to keep talking” 😂😂42 pages though🙈
Spot on! I'm so glad he got that in record!!
I would love to be in the court room the next time the Judge and Morrisey meet. I would need popcorn and a drink.
They are friends behind the scenes everyone in the nm legal scene is
So glad to have an ethical Judge! Bravo
That thing from your sons teacher about what's important about you. It's funny because I asked my daughter. How would you answer this? And she said. Like you always say, mom, I'm important. What's important about me is me. I'm what's important to me. And I was like, that's a damn good answer, girl.
Very wise 🦉🦉🦉 girl! God bless her and all of us with wisdom, health and the power to enjoy life!
I'm 38 yo and i don't know how to answer that😅
Who asks teenagers to tell a group of teenagers what they think is important about themselves?! I dont wanna do that and I'm 35 lol
Morrissey throwing Johnson under the bus for "self preservation" is RICH coming from Morrissey considering she testified anyway in order to save her legal career.
Obviously speculation, but the way that Johnson is quoted makes me suspect that she may have initially pushed for dismissal on ethical grounds, and then, when Morrissey consistently refused, Johnson attempted to appeal to Morrissey's self-interest. Such a "if you won't do it because it's the right thing to do, at least do it for your own self-preservation" argument could easily have been taken out of context.
Not to mention that she throws shade at Bowles for not doing his homework. This from the prosecutor who showed up at the hearing about the non-disclosure of the ammo and report, and based all of her initial arguments on an assumption (no similar ammo) that was directly contradicted by the report.
In other words, she's there to argue that she didn't need to turn over the report, but STILL chose not to read the report... Talk about not doing your homework... Allowed her to claim ignorance for all of the false statements in her oral argument, but makes it hilarious for her to whine about someone doing their homework!
Normally those who behave ethically don't feel the need to go on every news show to tell us how ethical they are
Morrissey strikes me as one of those types of liars and cheaters that twists or stretches the truth to their own liking and then convinces themselves that they are telling the truth. These types of cheats and liars are convinced that they are always right and will rationalize anything in order to try to get their way. She will bulldoze you if allowed to.
@@Fifi_Is_My_Name-O she likes to gaslight I’ve noticed
Harsh but absolutely true.
Judge Sommer's ruling was so scorching that I think some careers were set ablaze
lol the “what’s important about you?” Feels a LOT like “why should we hire you?” In job interviews. Same existential crisis…at least for me.
What is wrong with, "What do you want us to know about you?" Former teacher and as a teen my answer to the question;"What one thing would you take with you if you were being sent back to the Middle Ages?" Was a very honest "feminine care products"
Worth the two weeks of detention 😂😂😂
Ah yes, the good old days. Not the Middle Ages, just the days when saying tampon could get you detention.
@@valerielevasseur8674 that's why I always called them pontoons in public back then and ppl KNOW what it means if there's sufficient context, lol. The fact that commercials use red liquid now is huge, but sad and ridiculous it wasn't already the norm.
WTF would that get you detention?! There are plenty of places NOW that don't have consistent access to products and it's a global health issue
@@elizabethme4580 you got detention for that????!!!
Note also not only did Morrissey argue that (1) the rounds are only relevant if they match, and they don't, and (2) they match, but they're still not relevant anyway, but also (3) since they match, they are the best evidence against HRG (despite never having been tested to see whether or not they actually match).
I never did understand why she argued, in the Baldwin case, that they would be good evidence against HRG, which was completely out of scope of the hearing.
I think to preserve her win against Hannah because she obviously knew all these motions from Hannah‘s lawyer was up next.
Wait, I don't understand how they're evidence against HRG. I thought the bullets came from Seth Kenney. So wouldn't they just hurt him if he were to be prosecuted?
Ego…..
Liars like to shotgun out lies really fast. People tend to pick whatever one they like best and simply ignore all the other contradictory lies.
I've found it weird since I was a little kid. But I can't argue it doesn't work for the people who do it. It's a very successful lying technique from everything I've seen.
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Prosecutor Johnson left the case because she wanted to dismiss the case, Morrisey wanted a hearing with the court ruling to dismiss. Johnson didn't want a Brady violation tied to her name.
Imagine any future cross examination of CST Poppel, in any case, anywhere on the planet: "Have you ever collected evidence given to you for one case, and filed it under a completely unrelated case number that defense attorneys would not know even existed?" "Objection! Relevance! Foundation!" "Goes to the credibility of the witness, your honor..."
In the Karen Read case, since several of the police officers are now involved in being questioned about their procedures, if I were the DA I would probably just give up.
Lilly's boss the DA of Norfolk is already under investigation, so I don't understand why they don't just drop the charges. Brian Albert must have something he is holding over the DA.
There’s something very shady. The case was crap to begin with and will be even worse for Lally now that Proctor has been suspended. And hopefully fired before a new trial could begin.
Lally could maybe do what LYK happened in one of his cases. It was a hung jury and the prosecutor offered something little more than a ticket.
If Lally offered a no jail time nothing burger plea, he could still say got “the girl”. Defense would almost certainly take it.
@@silikon2but innocent accused who accept this sort of deal can't sue.
I expect Karen Read would have accepted a deal 2 years ago, but not now.
@@eammbutler1323 A lawsuit on something like this is nearly impossible to win though. It would suck to take a deal if you’re innocent of course, but if it’s something that requires no jail time, it would almost surely be correct to take the deal. Reportedly the jury got to 9 to 3 on count 2. It would be risky to go another trial.
Sucks, but it still likely would be the best choice. Saves time, risk and money. If I could take a “yeah whatever” no jail/penalty ticket vs risking another unaliving trial, yeah I would almost certainly take it.
Man I wish I had a mom like you growing up 🤣 Your son sounds very intelligent with the critique of that book. What’s important about me? I’m a human. Sheesh. What a terrible thing to ask of a child.
I think it is terrible to ask anyone child or adult.
Kari has grated my nerves since day 1 and now it's abundantly clear that her condescending schtick is a cloak for her horrible incompetence. I feel horrible for the Halyna's family witnessing all this BS. It's pretty clear that if Hannah had an even slightly better attorney she would have walked. What a wasted opportunity to make true change in the industry all over Kari's self inflated ego.
She’s not incompetent. She’s competent and incredibly and corrupt.
I dont know that she would have walked, but it might have made it harder... if i recall, some of the jurors said that the verdict was because ultimately, she didnt do her job to ensure safety. So while the rounds coming from PDQ would be less damaging to hannah, she still failed to ensure none were live/questionable.
What confuses and pisses me off about baldwin is that his reckless behavior has exactly dick all to do with where the rounds came from... which is why i believe they wanted to keep the jury from knowing that even dummy rounds can injure someone if not careful. And now he won't be held accountable for his recklessness (at least not criminally, i can still hope they nail him civilly), all because this prosecutor didnt turn over evidence.
OMG, Give all my love to your 16 year old little buddy. These school presentations are the basis of so many nightmares to come. I just can’t even. I love your meme idea. lol. Oh, he deserves a lobster dinner after this. Or, if bottom sucking crustaceans are not his thing, maybe a slab of steak. Chemistry would be a great topic if he wants his peers to daydream during his presentation. lol Lots of love to you all during junior year. Two years and life becomes his!!!!!
We keep learning that stuff was disclosed only when a witness happens to mention it in an interview.
1) TWO of the three Haag reports (they claim to have given two to the HRG defense, but acknowledged that TWO of the Haag reports were only given to the Baldwin defense after someone mentioned it in an interview with a defense attorney)
2) The "double-secret" Kenney interview AT THE DA'S OFFICE
3) It appears likely that the Teske evidence was revealed to the Baldwin defense only through Teske as well, and then the prosecutor defended not turning it over in oral arguments WITHOUT EVEN READING IT.
Given that absurdly repetitive pattern of releasing stuff only after its existence has been mentioned to the defense by a loose-lipped witness, what logical reason is there to assume that there aren't tons of other "oh, the witness never told you we had that?" surprises that just never got leaked, whether under the Rust case number or a "double-secret" case number?
It feels like a special master needs to be appointed to review the whole case file, and all other case numbers created by ANY involved person in the Rust case since the beginning of the Rust case, to look for any additional undisclosed material.
Band parent is a full time job, much appreciation and love to all the band parents out there! We couldn't do it without you!
Count 2: Strikes me that all these lesser includeds should be banned. If it takes this long for Bev to read the jury instructions, well, seems to me it’s deliberately designed to confound the jury.
Jury is supposed to be your peers, and most people aren’t lawyers. Bev’s bombardment of the jury with the lengthy instructions is like her reading one of those fine print “terms and conditions”.
I know they also got a printed copy, that only barely helps because it’s complicated and confusing. It’s all “if this than that unless this except when that except on Tuesday…”
It seems quite implausible to me that ALL the jurors will understand what’s basically complicated legalize. There are endless nuances which is why we have lawyers.
Even the verdict slip alone was overly complicated and the original one had subtle flaws that were severe. I thought the thing was clear until Jackson pointed out the flaws. There was ambiguity there and with multiple possible interpretations and I see no reason to assume they jury will collectively figure it out. They could easily have different interpretations and not even realize it.
I wouldnt be surprised if judge sommer reports Morrissey to the bar after all this
I surely hope so cause her conduct has been disgraceful.
Non lawyer me is like "Karrie what the actual....are you doing. Law nerd me is like "so who has the popcorn? This is nuts but I can't stop watching!"
Am I wrong for feeling like the state had tunnel vision to try and get Baldwin when Mr. Kenney should have been a co defendant as well?
So missed so much. I took a hiatus from all the drama. Thank you for the updates. I’m glad to be refreshed and back. You’re awesome!
Keri: It’s taken out of context
The context: 📢🐐🐐🐐
Just a (kinda pedantic) technical note: Mercury fulminate is not gun powder. It is the explosive in the primer, which is not the same as gunpowder. It is used to ignite the gunpowder and triggered when the primer is struck by the firing pin (however actual mercury fulminate would be rare as nowadays other chemicals are more commonly used). It means that there is not just no gunpowder in the cartridge but also that the primer is inert, making a fully inert piece of ammunition.
The last thing KM should be doing is making Judge Abdul more angry then she already is.
Poor T, that is a damn heavy prompt for a presentation! If my teacher had done that when I was 16, I would have spiraled thinking that the way it is worded “What’s so important ABOUT you?” to mean that there is nothing so important about me over anyone else in the class. What’s so important about you is what I would ask about someone acting entitled and thinking they are better than anyone else, so I would have been wondering what I did to give the impression that I was entitled after only being in class 1 day 😂😂😂😂 It is a poorly worded prompt on par with the ever so popular job interview question “what are your strengths?” 😂
I felt the same way, the wording of that prompt feels HOSTILE 😂🥲
Great motherly advice Emily! I try and teach my kids the same about leaving their options open. I’d like to say it’s because I’m just so damn smart, but I think it has more to do with my own “look it’s a Squirrel!” issues. Went to school to be a doctor, took a job in advertising, was called to jury duty and decided I wanted to be a DDA, worked for LADA office, went civil, started a lit support co, am now back in civil lit. Who knows, maybe next week I’ll enthusiastically throw myself into farm machinery sales because they’re shiny 🤦♀️. No regrets at all and I don’t want my boys believing they won’t, or shouldn’t, have the opportunity to make a multitude of choices over the course of their lives.
With everything we know about that wasn't disclosed it seriously makes one wonder what else went undisclosed that we don't know about.
Bingo
Hannah is still, no matter what, NOT THE ONLY PERSON responsible to check the rounds!! She’s literally not even the LAST PERSON to check the rounds. The prosecution ignoring Dave Halls & Sarah Zachry ALSO MUST check the gun & rounds! Pretending Hannah is the ONLY PERSON RESPONSIBLE is an irresponsible lie. The entire case against Hannah is based on lies.
Dave took a plea deal, the same deal that Hannah turned down. He wasn't just ignored. In fact, I think Sarah Zachary took a deal too.
I'm an entire life story person 🤣 but feck what's important about me?????? I'm 40 and that's hard to answer 😂
Idk what makes you important, bit something does! Everyone is important in some way!
That question definitely feel like something only my mom or best friend could answer. I would have no clue what to say. 😂
Yep I am 51 and if I get a question that is along that vein then I go into a kind of shutdown. I can't answer questions like that.
I don't think the question is offered to prove the truth of the matter 😂.
@@kirstena4001 If that is the case no wonder I struggled with school
Re: the commonwealth telling the jurors they couldn't guarantee anonymity, the date of the email sent to the jurors matched Cannone's extension on their anonymity. Curiouser and curiouser.
BUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIVE ROUNDS ON SET!
I think Kenney but that's just me. From Kenney to Sarah Zachary and Hannah under bus. Not intended still accidental but I don't believe it's Hannah's fault if new stock dummies with an accidental live got put in extra to what she checked already from prop house labeled as dummies I say his fault.
She really went after incompetence of paralegal when she didn’t even read the supplemental report 😂 oh Kari your integrity and hopefully career is in tatters
No matter where the bullets came from she still needed to do a safety check.
I have a stupid question.
If Morrissey was stated to have elicited false testimony from Poppell, crime scene tech, in the Baldwin trial, and given that Poppell also testified in the Hannah Gutierez trial, wouldn't that mean that Poppell would likely have provided the same false testimony in both trials.
If true, how does that impact on Morrissey, Poppell, and Gutierez?
Okay stupid question out of the way, follow up question.
Given that there seems to be a repeated habbit by Morrissey for unethical conduct what is likely to happen to her, and how will that impact other cases she she prosecuted?
@@floweringevergreen3584 Not sure how this answers anything.
Eliciting false testimony is suborning perjury, which is a crime, isn't it?
Also just because Morrissey is career defense attorney doesn't alter her legal and ethical obligations, including meeting discovery requirements, and not eliciting false testimony from a witness, and given the possibility that it happened in both Rust cases, it calls into question the whole legal process for both, at least for me.
While I thought Hannah was stupid and stuffed up at her job, Dave Halls stuffed up in his, and he states that he was the one who handed Baldwin the firearm, not Hannah. As for Baldwin he's the one who fired the lethal shot, and ignored his own guilds rules on firearm safety to do it, but he gets to walk?
Of the three he was the one most responsable for Halyna's death. He pointed the firearm at her.
He made it ready to fire, by cocking it.
He then either pulled the trigger to release the trigger or, as I believe, had already pulled the trigger and released hold of the hammer.
The other two get convictions/plee deals but Baldwin walks. Calls into question the fairness of the whole process.
I think @floweringevergreen3584 meant that there are not other convictions to overturn, as she is a defense attorney. Not that it excuses her conduct.
And Poppell lied about the evidence that was dropped off after Hannah's trial. So she couldn't have lied about it at Hannah's trial, because it hadn't happened yet.
That said, it is impeaching evidence, evidence of whether a witness is trustworthy. Just hard to get a new trial based on that :(
She's a defense attorney brought in as a special prosecutor, so the Rust cases may well be her only prosecutions.
@@davebeattie9573this is what gets me about the source of the ammo... regardless where it came from, she still didnt do her job to verify no live rounds. And where it came from has jack all to do with baldwins reckless behavior.
Everyone is complaining about heat and here in Ireland we're still waiting for the summer to show up 😭😭
I'm super thankful that through your videos I've found out I'm also neurospicy! Thank you for being open about it, I've been able to do more research and embrace it instead of fighting it or feeling overwhelmed
Did Bowles actually see the rounds brought in by Teske, or did he also only see some of those pictures and assume that the bullets weren't a match to the ones from the set? Bowles could've argued (just like Baldwin's attorneys) that Kenney purposely fucked with these rounds and made it so that the dummy rounds seemed identical to the live rounds, gave Hannah a bunch of rounds that he called "dummies," and when she shook them, nothing rattled, but she trusted him to be right and assumed they were all dummies.
In Kenney's testimony, he describes how a bunch of "goop" got all over some of the rounds, so he had to clean them off. The goop made it so that when you shake a dummy round, it wouldn't rattle. The theory is that Kenney purposely put this goop on the rounds, and then purposely mixed up these dummy rounds with some live rounds. and brought them to the set. Bowles could've used that argument, if he knew that some of the Teske rounds were actually a match.
Hannah had previously gotten into arguments with both Sarah Zachary and Kenney, and it seems quite possible that Kenney was trying to get her fired from the job, and maybe even get her barred from ever working on another movie set as an armorer. He clearly wasn't a big fan of hers, and his interview shows that he wanted her out of the industry.
Seth conveniently can't remember when he brought live rounds back to New Mexico (IMO he knows exactly when he brought them back). He's just super shady all-around. Everything he said during his testimony in the Baldwin case was shady, and I think there were a ton of lies mixed in. Why lie so much unless you're guilty of something and trying to hide it?
Morrissey should not be allowed to continue on this case! Why is the state allowing her to continue with this case after her obvious bias and misconduct? What the hell is wrong with New Mexico?? The state is going to get their asses sued off and they will absolutely deserve it!!
Wow! Morrisson made herself even more unlikeable. How was that possible??
My best guess based on form of Judge Cahone, is, motion denied, that will be after taking it under advisement, as usual. Then she will use, mistrial was stated. Defense did not request for poll. Jury is concerned for safety. Excuses. Prosecution determined, to double down, retry on all 3 charges, instead of dropping charges 1 and 3., they could. Justice should be the goal.
I think it could reasonably change things for Hannah (if not the verdict, maybe the sentence). A major part of the trial was that she brought the live rounds onto set and that’s the only way they got there, so not only did she not check them but she was responsible for them being there in the first place. With the undisclosed evidence combined, you could argue that the supplier and armorer supervisor, Kenney, supplied live rounds and a possibly (and not obviously) modified weapon. He also said the prop master, Zachary, was ultimately responsible for the props. To me, this means Zachary is responsible for the items themselves being correct and working, the armorer is responsible for how they are used and operated on set. Plus the fact Kenney wasn’t adequately investigated looks extra dodgy now, rather than a red herring. So yes Hannah should’ve done her job and checked things, but there were two people arguably above her in the weird setup they had who also failed in their jobs AND weren’t investigated enough. If you have multiple layers of protection and they all fail, can you say the final layer was the faulty one?
Seth K needs to be investigated but I don’t trust the police can handle it nor do I trust the prosecutors 😮 I still have suspicions that Seth and Sarah sabotaged Hannah but I don’t think they expected someone to expire.
I’ve also felt this way,since I first saw Seth Kenny testify.
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Why was Seth Kenny not investigated? He inserted himself into the investigation how was that not a red flag, not saying Hannah isn’t responsible or shouldn’t be facing repercussions for her actions but Seth Kenny and his involvement is sus
1) Inserted himself
2) Had ammo from the stash that we now know INCLUDED Starline brass, nickel primer
3) Knew they sought Starline brass, nickel primers WEEKS before the search
4) The search found NO Starline brass, nickel primers
5) Asserts he only provided a small number (50?) very distinctive-looking dummy rounds (which he studied more closely than any in his career)
6) Billed Rust for 200 rounds
Very sus indeed.
@@BratLyagushka agreed, what got me was him texting the detective complaining about the search warrant like hello, red flag
In worst case scenario do the MA statutes allow for the defense in the next trial to request a “bench trial”?
Oh the sass from coffeezilla's lawyers got me 😅
Oh man marching band days. Band moms are literally true undercover heros 🤣 thank your for your service!
Reading Kari's submissions are like reading the script for a soap opera. Honestly you couldn't make this shit up!
Seth Kenny is dodgy a.f. His fingerprints on and around everything to do with these cases and investigations really seem to show the partiality on the part of the prosecution. The fact he is linked to Rust and the ammunition means they should have been keeping that man at arms length.
Your kid is the best book reviewer.
One element of testimony I find compelling is that Seth said he supplied 1 box of dummy round yet he invoiced for 4 - error on his part or are there 3 missing boxes?
Love that judge. She also does live streams of her docket. 💙 She is really good.
Of crucial importance….that explains why the court was so pissed off
"These are the types". Photo of four rounds included 4 brands of casing, so it appears "types" = "brands".
Note that Morrissey's claimed in arguing the motion to dismiss Baldwin that there were no matching rounds. The only defense for that is that she showed up to argue why she didn't need to turn over the supplemental report without ever reading the supplemental report... "I didn't need to turn this over because it's irrelevant. Or at least I assume it's irrelevant, since I've still not read it!"
Well, decission can be made later in live as well. In Germany the school system is different but I went back to school in my mid thirtys and went to university. No decission is made out of stone. I am 47 and stil not able to tell whats importand to me or who I am really am.
There's an old aphorism: "Sooner or later, we play all the parts." I don't have anything specific in mind; it seemed broadly appropriate.
e: Also, Seth Kenney is the worst Housewife.
If anyone has any questions to Morriseys character, I think it’s been answered! Code RED!
The jurors did reach out to the Commonwealth so they definitely need to hear it
With everything about the fall out from the trial I agree the judge will not make a decision this situation has literally never happened before it's like making new law and above her but I also do believe it should be heard in someway even if it's just by written documents of all 12 kinda how the judge in the take care of Maya trial handled getting testimony from a jury member but this needs to be handled in a different way
Thank you for having the parenting philosophy/approach you have with your older teen! It would’ve made a world of difference if both my parents had been like that with me 💕
I think Bev will say a quick no and then run off to her weekend home. We can't expect anything different than what she has dished up before, sadly.
"Heyyyy!" (entire life story) ...yeah I feel called out LOL.
Thank you for sharing your child's life it brought me back.... We started to make it funny I'd ask my husband "What do you plan to do with your life?" and he'd come back " Still don't know" Then I turn to the kid and said, until your Dad knows what he wants to do you don't need to either. Go back to Chemistry.... way to go half the kids are challenged by that!
Replay crew here. My hot take on this Gutierrez new trial. Hannah spoke way too much with the leading investigator. I always felt her Lawyers never did her right. However, Hannah didn’t do her job on set. A new trial isn’t going to change the outcome.
What I can tell you for sure is that Seth Kenny will never be a “vendor” for any Hollywood production ever again! Same goes for any filming in New Mexico!
Im 28 and would struggle with that writing assignment.
My thoughts on the Baldwin case became clearer to me when I abstracted away the nature of the deadly object. Instead of gun, substitute "deadly-looking prop". Imagine if the script says you pick up a ticking box, and three seconds later the camera cuts to an exterior shot of a house blowing up.
Should the actor:
1) Disassemble the box to check for any possible explosives that might have accidentally been put in it
2) Dial 911 to call for the bomb squad to check for possible explosives
3) With the desired facial expression, pick up the box and wait for the director to yell "Cut!"
If you chose 3, then you just implicitly decided that Baldwin was not guilty, whether or not you can accept that conclusion. Unlike live rounds, live explosives actually ARE supposed to be present on a movie set. In fact, when the body cam footage shows the officers entering the set, you can hear people warning them about small explosives being rigged above (presumably squibs to give the impression of bullet impacts). But nobody would expect the individual actors to all be explosives experts, or to know how to check whether someone put real explosives in a prop bomb instead of modeling clay. In this case, he was explicitly told a phrase ("cold gun") that meant that multiple people had checked that no explosives were present in the prop (no blanks, no live rounds, nothing that can go "bang!"), but people still assume he should have checked for explosives, even though the prop rounds are designed to look identical to live ones.
In most jobs, even dangerous ones, at some point you can't have everyone redo everyone else's job for them to make sure it was all done correctly, you have to trust other people to do their job.
If I were to disassemble all of the equipment on a construction site to make sure it was safe, and then reassembled it all, the result would be guaranteed to be LESS safe. 😆
Of course, HRG was one of the experts tasked with making sure the prop was "cold" as intended, so the same analysis doesn't help her.
Replay taking a couple days: I find it interesting that the Commonwealth did not indicate on what date they were emailed despite stating what date they responded.
Speculation: if the rounds came from the props house, and Sarah/Seth/AD wanted her out, and Hanna wasn’t in the church to hand the gun to Alec, how do we know she loaded those rounds? What if the ammo came from the AD? Is there reasonable doubt that she loaded those rounds because she was not the last one to touch the gun before it was in Alec’s hands? Yes, it’s her job and her panic on the interviews is bad for her, but what if she did check those rounds and they came from Sarah and PDQ. The cart was out of sight/police custody for a long time (not just while they were at the scene but before they arrived). The AD did flee the church immediately… was he carrying the remaining rounds? Could his urgency to plea put be because there was conspiracy and he did reload that gun and Hanna was setup? The Teske rounds could introduce doubt, especially considering Seth’s behavior and the way he inserted himself into the whole thing.
It's not a greatly written prompt, but it's an effort for the teacher to get to know her students.
The judge Canoni should’ve asked questions and she never asked any questions to the jurors on which charges they hung up on. She just assumed they were hung up on all charges. She should’ve asked questions and talk to the defense instead of hastily calling a missed trial to fall she failed.
Love from the Irish replay crew. 🇮🇪🇮🇪
I love how "she didn't want a public hearing" by Kari is not even a lie, but only VERY misleading. She didn't want a public hearing, that is true. She didn't want a hearing at all. Kari, please do better. After all, this is a case that left a young boy motherless.
Hannah deserves better lawyers now.
That assignment is annoying me. Don't teach kids that there has to be something about them to make them important. They are here, that's what makes them important.
But it isn't asking if they're important, or even what makes them important, both of which suggest an external viewer passing judgment. Rather, it's asking what's important about them, to them. The assumption is already that they're important, but unlike "because I'm here," it lets them have different defining features. They aren't all the same.
Still not a fan of the assignment, but at least it's not making them justify their presence in the classroom.
This Hannah Gutierrez case is going to help open up a lot of bad stuff… bad stuff people! Fasten your seatbelts!
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@@krob2327 I think there was deception within the ranks, and with some people involved. I felt It will bring them to the light. Just my opinion, mind you! 😉
@@kelco64 I’m still confused but ok
I think Coffeezilla is terrific. Thank you for following this. I’m hoping that this becomes a learning moment for Logan Paul. I don’t wish ill will on anyone-no matter how much I disagree with them. Coffeezilla is well thought out and well researched.
To me, the primary relevance of the disclosure issues with the Teske rounds to HRG's case is the fact that it was the same prosecutor, and the things we learned in the dismissal hearing bring the assumption of good faith with all of the OTHER discovery violations into serious question. They bring up additional serious violations (Kenney interview) and then point out the the prosecution/police actions seem shady in Baldwin (even if less relevant to HRG), leading to the implication that the newly-discovered discovery violations could have been equally shady. If the court were to conclude, based on the pattern, that prosecution (or police) were deliberately cheating, the interests of justice (which courts seem to have more flexibility with in NM) could logically conclude that they shouldn't be able to get away with DELIBERATE skullduggery just by succeeding in hiding stuff until AFTER trial.
Yes! Now everything from Hannah's trial is sus! Who knows what else was suppressed?
Given there was over 900pages of information failed to be disclosed and the Kenny interview I’d say a lot and the prosecutor trying to say the court didn’t follow correct process for dismissing baldwins case is wild. She seems to forget it doesn’t matter what she thinks is relevant it’s not up to her to decide
Exactly! Nothing from this prosecutor is trustworthy now.
When I had intro drawing in college (fall 2001) we had to do three homework assignments (still-lifes) based on our feelings about 9/11, and I hated the assignment. Like it happened 2 seconds ago, how do I know what I think yet? I didn't know anybody involved so I was completely removed from it, and I got lower grades on those in particular, but I did them. I can't remember if I told the professor that I disagreed with the assignment or not, but she didn't give me a lot of grief about it anyway. 😮💨
How do you get lower grades for expressing your feelings?!? Art teachers are ruthless!!
@@henrysmith180 It was for making a half-assed drawing not for expressing myself :D
Poppel, Hancock and Morrissey should be done career-wise and Poppel should be facing perjury charges.
My grade 10 year, one of our big English projects, was to leave an unaliving note as if we were Lady Macbeth leaving it.
Wtf?! That’s so weird
Wtf???????? That’s insanity what is wrong with these teachers?
@annikkirahko6714 I don't know that anything was wrong with the teachers. It was the early 90s in Canada. Things were different then.
@TheMiikka34 Oh wow, this unlocked a mid 90s Canadian grade 9 or 10 memory. Shakespeare stayed as tame as he ever can, but our English teacher did tell us about subliminal messaging in ads and had us looking through magazines for implied skulls and genitals in ice cube patterns, shadows and such. Things were different.
It has the same feel as us having to plan our funeral including getting others to write our obituary in psychology. My s***dal self was all over that.
Me and my non legal opinion think Hannahs case needs to be dismissed as well. The prosecutor has made so many errors, and is so hell bent on defending said mistakes, that she can't be trusted at this point.
It is unfortunate but once you are convicted, the bar for justice gets so much higher. That's why I have such issue with judges like the YSL judge taunting people to "take it up on appeal". They know how unfair that is. Hannah seems cocky and entitled (and yes, criminally negligent), but I was always grossed out by Kari's disrespectful attitude, like Hannah was scum under her shoe. And her game playing in front of the jury was also just awful. Even the guilty deserve to be treated with respect in the criminal justice system, IMO.
@sapphy2530 SO well said! I get the bar is high, and I don't think her lawyer is capable. I have questioned if Hannah could argue ineffective counsel after all the mistakes and missed opportunities.
Keri was definitely the worst though, like she needs to be reprimanded by the bar for this (imo). The fact that she can't just admit fault when it's clear for all to see she was wrong....Instead she's like f*ck it and throws out all the shade on the judge 😂 . I can not wait to hear the courts reply!!
I bet judge Canone loves keris style 😂
I have a different read on the Kari Morrisey situation. She is a defense attorney at heart. I think she wanted to have the hearing on record and to testify to throw hancock and the crime scene tech under the bus. If she just dismissed the case they wouldn't have Brady violations on record for them.
I could buy that if she'd handled it differently, but she continued to insist, and STILL continues to insist, that there was no Brady violation, despite the fact that the evidence clearly ended up as impeachment evidence. It impeached (destroyed, obliterated) the crime scene tech's testimony, and (by being filed under a different number with no cross-ref) called into question the integrity of the entire investigation.
Remember, she knew that the ammo and report were the purpose of the hearing, and had them brought to court, but STILL claims not to have read the report before oral arguments, and used the false claim that it mismatched as the foundation for her argument that the rounds were irrelevant. Not reading it, when you're there to discuss it, until AFTER being forced to provide it to the court makes it smell like willful ignorance. I think the court was suspicious that she deliberately maintained plausible deniability in hopes that she could argue well enough to convince the court that the defense had no need for it without ever being forced to reveal her cards.
Imagine if the court had just accepted her claim in oral arguments that it didn't look at all like the live rounds for Rust. If the court hadn't forced her to prove it, the court could probably have just ruled that the evidence was irrelevant and, on the assumption that it didn't match, was of no use to the defense.
I think the judge needs to take responsibility in the Read case for causing confusion in regards to the forms. The defense lawyer tried to be very clear about how the forms were not clear and was quickly rebuffed. I think that the severely contributed to the fact that the jurors were confused and did not put in the verdicts that they had been unanimous on.
As an English teacher, I MUST know the book!
What is frustrating is that it seems morrissey dictates what is deemed evidence to pass to defense. While I don’t think this will affect Hannah in a beneficial way it does show that Morrissey in two trials now has left out sharing evidence and continues to excuse it even to the point of saying the judge is wrong. The audacity.
Re-watch 11.30 PM: Now spinning in deeper and deeper identity crisis (and I'm NOT 16....)😂
As far as I’m concerned, Hannah didn’t check well enough and Baldwin pulled a trigger. I do not care where the rounds came from.
I think they both belong behind bars for this. She didn’t do her job, and a trigger pull could still kill someone if a dummy malfunctions (re: Brandon Lee)
If there’s been a shit show with the prosecution that’s been corrupt then none of them belong behind bars. Also why did they not charge Seth Kenny cause his involvement in the case has been sus.
Yeah, I do think they both should have been convicted. He pointed a loaded gun at someone and shot her. I couldn’t care less how the bullet got there, to me it’s totally irrelevant.
However, if the state screwed up the case, they screwed up the case.
I agree that based on baldwin and Hannah actions they should have been convicted. Based on the conduct of police and prosecution I think everything has to be dismissed. Seth Kenny should have been investigated properly as well. I had thought for a second that morrisy was being honourable by pushing for transparency with a public dismissal hearing ... boy was I wrong 😱😂
@@silikon2he had no idea it was a loaded gun, he was acting, and it shouldn’t have had live rounds in and it should have been checked.
Whoever brought live rounds was responsible in some way either purposefully to cause mayhem or pure carelessness.
@@zerowheeler If you read the actual New Mexico law, it is in fact illegal to point a loaded gun at someone and shoot and kill then regardless of anything else. There’s no exception for being an actor. It’s negligent homicide, full stop.
It’s also against basic firearm safety and SAG rules. Tell me, would he have pointed that gun at his own head without checking it more carefully?
Why do people want to give actors a pass because they’re just pretty and say lines on stage? There is literally an industry standard that actors have gun safety training ON SET. If they weren’t supposed to respect gun safety, that wouldn’t be needed would it?
I just hope Baldwin sues because he “dodged a bullet” and could easily pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
What if Seth had spoke with the Props manager in order to provide lives for the Rust set plinking that had been later anonymously reported? Alledgedly, one such live was left in Baldwin's gun afterward. Did that not mean Producer Baldwin was plinking himself? Why was it left there? Did Baldein do that .. knowingly?
Good question, it's too bad they didn't have any good investigators working on the case !
In my 4th decade and "what's important about you" still causes crisis feelings!
54:42 the point of saying "it won't be confidential" was meant to scare them into thinking their identities would be revealed to the public. That's how I read it. Not to the defense and judge, because they already know that, and I believe they were two of the same jurors who contacted the defense - who was able to keep them anonymous to the public, btw.
This is again the CW being shady wanting to hide a truth, which is that Karen Read was declared not guilty of intentional murder. Still don't understand how some of the jurors could think the CW proved *anything in this case, but okay. Just drop those charges already!
Kari twisting herself into a pretzel over the color of the ammo reminds me of Amber Heard trying to convince us that her zit was a head wound and the liquids in the shot glasses were different.
Okay but every time she says 😑Frank😑 I die laughing 😂😂
"What's important about you?"
Why tf would you ask this to anyone, let alone children?! If asked that at 16, I would've said, "literally nothing, I'm absolutely worthless." Life _sucks_ as a teen. That kind of question makes people (especially kids) question their very worth. Shit, that question has made me thinking about my worth or lack thereof, and I'm 28 😂
I'm fully with Emily in that the question should be "what's important _TO_ you," not "what's important _ABOUT_ you."
This is Morrissey and Spiro, every time Morrissey said she'd turned over all discovery:
Buttercup: [disturbed] Every ship but your four fastest, you mean.
[Humperdinck looks confused]. Every ship but the four you sent.
Humperdink: [recovering badly] Yes. Yes of course. Naturally not those four.
The "state" is the prosecution and the police. So what she is saying is... None of us know WTF we are doing, and we didn't have any organisational skills.
When exactly did Bowles have this information? I’m assuming it was post Hannah’s trial cos I can’t honestly think why he wouldn’t have had T testify about the ammo and therefore implicate Kenny and Zachery?
I also find it highly convenient that the new ammo was turned over at the end of hannah's trial....