Besides the better price one of the biggest selling points for me is the same behaviour among the different SP colors. As much as I like contrast, their different behaviours is driving me crazy!
I've heard it surmised that GW hadn't really set out to produce a single paint line, but instead had bundled together a number of disparate paint formulas they had been working on into the same range. The result being inconsistency. Unlike Army Painter's SpeedPaints, or Warcolours's Antithesis Paints, which were designed from the ground up to be a competitor to Contrast Paints. And, therefore, to do what Contrast was marketed as doing, whether all the paints in the Contrast line were built for it or not.
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Every video I’ve seen on these speed paints has had the same results. Army Painter has delivered some inconsistent and often lackluster results in the past but these look fantastic! These appear to go alongside the AP washes as very high quality products.
So true, I'm not big on AP Paints or brushes, but I love their washes. I used to think GW was the wash/ink king but AP surprised me. I'm a HUGE fan of Contrast Paints but I'll admit I'm REALLY looking forward to getting Speed Paints.
Since I own a lot of older AP paints, I have to agree. BUT! They improved greatly over the last 2 years and I'm using them more and more. Besides AP I mostly use Scale 75 and Vajello and I have to say, in termysof quality the difference is negligible with the newer paints.
I am an Army Painter defender, so I'm happy to see that these paints are performing so well! I hate storing paint pots, so these being dropper bottles is also a big plus for me. I would love to see an airbrush comparison/more product reviews.
I wasn't big on contrast paints early on, but I used them to paint the entire Marvel United kickstarter and now I'm in love. I have about half of the range and a couple hundred hours of experience with them. Your thoughts sum them up fairly well. If speed paint performs as you and other reviewers have seen, then I'll be getting the entire range eventually.
There are 5-8 pots of contrast that are really good as a go to for almost any painter’s toolbox. The range is a little hit and miss with coverage and how it applies to a model. Speed paints seem to cover and behave the same across any color that I’ve seen so far.
They look really good, especially for power armour but I'd be interested in seeing how they're used on more organic surfaces. I love contrast paints, but only on things like skin, fabric, leather etc. So it would be awesome if the AP paints are just as good at both.
Similar, no noticeable downside, half the price and already in a dropper bottle rather than a comedy tub. I mostly make my own with artist ink, matt media, thinner and flow improver, but if I wanted an out of the bottle paint to do a base colour on a whole army then these seem a no brainer. (mind I don't use contrast paint for base colours)
speed paint solved the coverage problem that contrast paints have especially over flat surfaces. the better finish is just icing can't wait to get these.
I have found that putting a thicker oil wash over a model (especially one with a matt undercoat, so it has something to grip onto) in the same manner as a contrast paint, nets a very similar result. With a big upside that you can manipulate the paint for hours afterwards, so you can remove it where is it laid on too thick and can fix any pooling that occurred.
Very true, I've been enjoying this as well. Just have to be aware it works much better with translucent pigments, like what is used in the speed and contrast paints.
These experiments really excite me. AP has a bit of loyalty from me for their price point, but contrast made painting so much easier when they released. Speedpaints give me a lot of hope that I'll be able to afford to paint more minis!
OMG, havent been painting miniatures for 7 months but I cant stop smile at this video and it makes my tummy tickle. Ive got 4 brandnew the thing minis to paint and Im about to go nuts. Thanx again for the info and the great way you show how the paint behaves.
This is cool to see, I just saw the Army Painter video on these recently and as someone who uses Citadel contrast paints quite a bit for glazes and what not I'm keen to see videos like this that break it down nicely. I'm already a fan of a bunch of other AP products so definitely promising, particularly because I have to pay Australian dollars for my hobby supplies 🤣
It took me time but I’ve really grown to love army painter tbh. I tend to just use whatever I have for colours and when someone bought me one of the starter kits from army painter as a gift I was hesitant to apply them on gw models but once I did I really enjoyed them. Will continue to use in the future just based on price point alone
I want to know how they stack up against Scale75’s Instant Color. I went heavy into that line of paints and prefer them over GW’s Contrast paints. If they are comparable but easier to find might replace them when the time comes.
Great video, and very interesting! All I want for my models is that they look.. er... Fine on the table, so I don't even thin down my contrasts at all. I just use 'em straight out of the bottle. I almost exclusively paint with contrasts these days, so I really look forward to trying out Speedpaints. I try to get a squad done in a week, for context. Love how you're still stuck in 2020 mode btw ;)
Extremely helpful - trying to understand how these things compare or even just some better description of contrast paints is great. Thank you for this video.
The thing to be said about these 2 paint ranges is that they work differently despite their apparent same purpose. This comes from the fact that Speedpaint works by having medium and different pigments pulling on the surface at different strengths, the darker ones pulling more than the lighter, creating separation in such a way that it looks different paint colours were used on different layer. Contrast otherwise works by being a layer that creates it's shading from the shaded areas having more paint which creates a more concentrated colour, which is why you don't see a pull nearly to the extent of the Speedpaints, and that it's medium just sits on the surface rather than sinks into recesses.
Dana you can find a better way,there are two miracle solutions: -GW contrast or other lavis/washes/glacis/inks of any brands for any flat surfaces(armor,vehicules,spaceship,etc...)worked perfectly only spray them with a airbrush,needle 0.2 to 0.4 . -if you used brush ,please forget acrylics,now time to paint with oil paaint well diluted with white spirit for artist !the result will be marvelous!!
Ultramarine blue vs. Cloud Blue seemed pretty conclusive because I don't want to have to thin down my paints if I can help it. Then I end up with far more consistent results when painting a whole unit. I get that you should thin your paints, and when using normal paint I do, but the whole point of Speed Paints is, well, speed, and getting good, consistent results, right out of the pot, is a baseline for whether or not the paint is worth using. Thanks for this very well constructed comparison. Now I want these paints even more than before. Seems like a no-brainer that no one should ever buy a Contrast Paint ever again.
Oh people will still buy contrast regardless of these speed paints. People use contrast paints in various ways for very specific jobs, where as Speed Paints are very good for quick basing, which is the advertised purpose of both types so speed paints are better for that. So for intended purposes, if thats all you want, then yeah, skip contrast, but contrast still has uses that are very specific and can be better than speed paints, not to mention some people going for army matching are "bought in".
@@giraton1 I feel sorry for anyone who "needs" Contrast Paints. It's like GW has stolen their soul. No way they're worth using at the price they cost as many of their effects can easily be reproduced with much cheaper methods, and relatively easily, even before we had an alternative like Speed Paints.
Great review. So far every review I have seen on these says basically the same thing - a solid performer at a much better price point. I am hopeful that the entire range performs this well. And if you can, please try them through an airbrush...if they work well there that would be awesome. Cheers!
You have to build into the GW contrast paint cost that built into the design concept and business model is that once in a while you’ll knock one over or it will leak even if you “closed” it.
I think they are clearly a contrast 1.5, if you are after a quicker more consistent thickness across the range, and cheaper option, with less medium use. I'll consider replacing contrast with them as tests next year. I have wayyyy to many contrast paints but mostly use them as x2 thinned-out coats to avoid looping and get consistency. This then takes twice as long ... so speed paint may be speedier ....
Such a great video. Love that you went straight from the bottle and didn't try to "improve" either product with glaze medium. I am really looking forward to more of these Speed Paints, as contrast are the bread and butter of my painting toolbox
As someone who yet again spilled a pot of contracts paint recently (Magos Purple) I can't wait to try something that seems very conorable and possibly better. Outstanding video!
I've only really used contrast paint for two situations. The base coat for Necrons, using a black contrast over a white undercoat sprayed over a grey undercoat before applying silvers and gold. The other is for Orks, pretty much ork skin for boyz, speed painting orks basically and honestly those are the only two situations where I find they look fine.
The primer are different, thats why the Citadel contrast paint results seem to be worse. You actually NEED to use the Primers, that Citadel recommends (Grey Seer and Wraithbone) in order to get optimal results. The way contrast colors from citadel flow with or without the correct primer is very different. There are actually videos on this topic. So yeah, if you want a fair comparison, use the actual primers, that are recommended and not offbrands!
I have just found your page and find your work very clean and well done. I have switched over to contrast for speed painting. So this video was very helpful. Love your work....
I received the 10 bottle set recently but I only had an undead model already prepped with a clear colour. I tried to mix a leather brown and an orc green (i don't remember the exact names) and since both these colours are dark I decided to thin then with two drops of water. I painted the mini without really any Attention to details (that was just a test) and just after that I leave it to dry. I came back the day after and the result looked amazing. I'm happy I have the 10 colour set but I will definitely buy the bigger set later!
So glad you did this comparison, as I have been considering this very issue but did not wish to pay out for new paints needlessly. As a UK resident I don't think the cost difference is as pronounced as yours is, but AP are still cheaper than GW. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this demo. I have 100% avoided GW Contrast because I was afraid that I wouldn’t be able to afford what I needed, and this video got me so excited about Speed Paints. By the way, I have been following you for a long time and you and your content is my favorite in this hobby. Your videos have helped me so much , and I am just really grateful for you. I plan to pony up and support in 2022.
Overall a fair test and like you said: It'll be fun to try the whole range. I have ALL the contrasts, though I haven't actually used them all much yet, but for future projects I know I'll "need" them all. I know that Space Marine is also like THE trademark GW model, but to be fair they're not an ideal test-model for either paint. (1 exception would be Space Wolves with more textures, fewer helmets and just more ornaments with pelts to break up all the smooth surfaces, but whatever.) Naturally there's a LOT of painters/players who play these, but to see how well they can perform it's more "fair" to try them out on something more organic, like almost anything out of the Daemons book, or almost anything from AoS Sylvaneth. But by all means, you can see the finish and some of the main differences even on Space Marines, so it does work. I'm very excited and it seems both ranges have their stronger and weaker ones, as you might expect. Overall it's a win-win for painters as we now get some more competition and more overall products that both do the same thing! :D Yet another great vid, can't wait for more content when the full range releases! :D
The Napoleonic's forums are looking to seeing how they handle uniforms compared to C/P's. I got to site the Citadel pots on a dish to prevent spills due to the lid catches me swinging the brush around the bench . So dropper bottles is a better idea . Plus they come with ball bearings
Great video! As a creator yourself highlighting the fact that no one really wants to spend a lot of money on supplies, when it might be the only bottleneck slowing down your hobby process, is good reassurance for those out there struggling with the financial side of the hobby! Giving us a hands-on demonstration and your honest opinion is only a good thing. After seeing the paints performance I’m gonna look into the Speedpaint next time I wanna try a new technique. 😊👍
Great video I loved the comparision between non-diluted paints. However I have a small tip that may help someone - recently I struggled with getting intended colour with Citadel Contrasts and my friend told me to 'thin them down as they were never meant to be used right from the bottle' (which is something opposite to Dana's view). At least based on my friend's knowledge its good to treat most (but not all!) of Citadels contrast as a 'highly condensed essence' that needs to be diluted. Nontheless try both approaches and find what suits Your needs, Cheers!
These paints have been instant on demand since they were announced. Citadel's contrast paints are a mix of different textures which really goes against what a contrast paint is for. AP brand speed paints all seem to be the exact same consistency which will lead to consistency in the end product, the Miniature. Been using Citadel paints for 30 plus years now and while I have never had any problems with them, their contrast paints are suspect. All over the place in terms of use for each color which makes using them frustrating without a ton of foresight and usage. I will for sure be getting a set of these and the odd colors will eventually find a use probably in mixing other colors.
Very nice comparison. I’ve just started using Contrast paints and have been hesitant recommending them to my club kids. This is a great alternative. Thank you.
I like knowing that a product is worth using. While I don't usually appreciate people shoving advertisements in my face this type of comparison / review doesn't feel like that at all and I see as being very useful. More please. 😊
I can't think of a better sentiment to take from this video than "Look, I'm not saying one is better than the other, but one is definitely half the price of the other"
I recently got into painting with contrast paint and I so wnated to wait for speedpaint to come out... but I havent. I still feel like buying the entire speedpaint range will be the smartest decision I ever make.
AP Speedpaints look like they perform like their washes, which I love. I've used them not only to speed paint an army but for more careful work on plastic scale models and busts. They are excellent. These Speedpaints look like they perform just as well.
I own only black templar of the contrast paints... I use it exclusively out of the airbursh! Its easier to use and gives better results than thinned black ink for undershading.
Have to keep an eye out for when they release the full line. Squidmar just released a video about his love of airbrushing with contrast paints, although also mentioned the ridiculous price of Citadels.
I mean, when you're using them afterwards, yeah, thin them. But if it's intended to not need thinning, it would be incredibly unfair to compare them after giving either an advantage.
I can't trust any army painter paints, they're so inconsistent it's crazy. You can buy 3 bottles of exact same paint and have all of them be of differing quality, which is something I haven't seen from any other manufacturer so far. I don't use citadel paints either so not just fanboying gw either. Simply had basically nothing but bad experiences with AP paints.
I have lots of army painter stuff and I fully agree about the inconsistency (their brushes are good tho). Some colours are great, some terrible (looking at you Babe Blonde). I find Vallejo paints a solid middle ground. I have around 200 Vallejo paints, 70 army painter pots, 35 citadel pots (50/50 contrast/normal). What paints do you mainly use?
@@Deadpool_collector247 Vallejo metal colors are the best metallics I've seen but I haven't really tried their regular acrylics yet. I use mainly ProAcryl and Kimera Kolors for my regular acrylics,Vallejo for metallics and scale75 inktensity range for my inks.
@@BarokaiRein I like the Vallejo washes (though a bit glossy) & their metallics too. Thanks for letting me know what your preference is. Im wanting to try out some recommended paints next year :)
I switched to primarily using Army Painter a few years ago, but I have go-to colours from about every range there is. These speed paints and the AP Air line have me excited!
I have been really excited to try these. I have a HUGE backlog of minis to paint and some affordable contrast alternatives will really help me get them done.
Your call on Citadel Wyldwood and AP Dark Wood was sound. If I were you, though, I'd use AP Dark Wood as the under layer for metallic bronze, copper, gold, or rust.
I came into the mini-painting hobby by way of Army Painter. While the colour range of GW may be a little bigger, the fact is, I like AP. The colours are nice, they flow well, and they cover nicely. Now, I will say, doing so takes work, but I'm not afraid of that. Yes, you do have to shake the paints well to ensure that the medium and pigments mix well - it's a standing joke about AP paint - but if that's the only issue, I think I can work with it. The fact is, the price is worth it. And clearly, with the recent airbrush paint release, as well as these speed paints, the company is doing well, in spite of their reputation as "budget paint." I have recently taken to using Contrast paint. I didn't like them at first - i found them akin to kids watercolours. Then I actually sat down and used a few. While there is a learning curve, they are a useful painting tool. I started watching Warhipster on RUclips here and found his techniques incredible. Im floored by the things he does with Contrast Paint. I loved his work on the Cursed City models and have slowly been working on my own in a similar manner. I am by no means a good painter, but I enjoy what I do, and I am quite happy how things are improving. Now, if AP is coming out with contrast colours, I will need to take a look. I like Contrast Paint. I DO NOT like the $9.40 CDN cost. That's well, utter BS. for a wee bottle of paint. So if AP can do the same job for less, go Army Painter!
I don’t use any contrast paints straight out of the bottle. I thin them all 1:1 or 2:1 medium:paint If you just want something to use straight out of the bottle purely for speed then AP is probably better. But, if your using price point as a comparison, then contrast might actually be cheaper if you take thinning into account. The real test for me is how well you can wet blend two different colors, because that is my favorite way to use contrast paints.
Also contrast paints by their very nature are water proof. It specifically says to not use a wet pallet with them. You shouldn't with contrast or metallic paints.
Thanks for the info, I usually count army painter out, but I'll have to take a second look!
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Thanks for this review and comparison. I’m a huge fan of Army Painter because I paint quick and dirty, and I was looking for this kind of “contrast” equivalence.
Solid review Dana! I was actually pretty curious about these since I also use Contrast Paints (a ton). Thanks for this super helpful video and keep up the great work!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts (definitely would like more of these types of videos) on these paints very much looking forward to trying these out..
I am still pretty new to the hobby, but i have quickly come to the understanding that the only thing you need to buy from GW are the models,. Everything else they sell can be found better, cheaper or both from other companies.
Dear Dana, lovely video. As much as I like to use contrast paints, i struggle with them more often than not. I would love you (or any of your esteemed colleagues) to make a video or series along the line, how to use the individual contrast colours to the best of their properties. Which colour needs (approximately) how much medium? Which is best used through the airbrush? Which one is fine as is? Are there certain brushes or other techniques especially suitable? ... lalala, etc.
People often comment that the best way to apply even contrast paint is to stippled it rather than to drag it like a normal paint. However, since AP speed paint doesn't seem to require this I'd say it's another advantage
I appreciate your insight and look into comparative colors between the ranges. The application of the paints seemed a bit thick, But that might be because when I use contrast paints I do them over a pure white base, and that makes it really easy to have super thin layers.
I don't know if Green Stuff World Intensity Inks are easily available worldwide, but I would recommend you (everyone interested in a cheaper alternative to GW's Contrasts) to try them. I recently acquired the full range, and I can tell the blue and browns definitely hold the comparison to their GW equivalents.
Biggest plus (aside for half the price) is they come in drop bottles; knocking over a GW contrast and having half of it fly out is the most painful thing ive had happen to me in ages
Thanks for this, I’ve been really interested in these paints and I have to say this was very convincing, I think I’ll be picking these up once they are out.
This is some good science!!! :-)
If Goob's approves your science you know you are doing it right!
I dunno man, I didn't notice any explosions. :)
Still prefer goobertown's DIY contrast recipe 😁
GREAT u r also here!😇🙏👍
The professor weighing in! 😀
The extra $4 is for the excellent pots that maximize spillage and drying out.
@@parodycalfilms It's sarcasm...
@@parodycalfilms haha woosh
Bwaahahaaa.
Top tier comment here.
@@parodycalfilms Damn you're dim
I am excited for these for a while. Hate that AP announced them many months ahead of release ^^ PLS do test them in an airbrush :)
Yeah every time a get a recommend I forget they're not out yet.
There are some reviews already on RUclips using an airbrush and they work really well.
@@jostonpowell1346 Great to hear that, will search for them later, thanks!
Well it succeeded in making me not wish for GW contrast paints for Christmas as I might otherwise have done
@@timofaust1315 Welcome
Besides the better price one of the biggest selling points for me is the same behaviour among the different SP colors. As much as I like contrast, their different behaviours is driving me crazy!
I've heard it surmised that GW hadn't really set out to produce a single paint line, but instead had bundled together a number of disparate paint formulas they had been working on into the same range. The result being inconsistency.
Unlike Army Painter's SpeedPaints, or Warcolours's Antithesis Paints, which were designed from the ground up to be a competitor to Contrast Paints. And, therefore, to do what Contrast was marketed as doing, whether all the paints in the Contrast line were built for it or not.
Glad to see i'm not the only one being frustrated over Contrasts different behaviors.
As a lazy painter that doesn't like spending lots of money I'm all in on these paints from what I've seen so far
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Every video I’ve seen on these speed paints has had the same results. Army Painter has delivered some inconsistent and often lackluster results in the past but these look fantastic! These appear to go alongside the AP washes as very high quality products.
So true, I'm not big on AP Paints or brushes, but I love their washes. I used to think GW was the wash/ink king but AP surprised me. I'm a HUGE fan of Contrast Paints but I'll admit I'm REALLY looking forward to getting Speed Paints.
Since I own a lot of older AP paints, I have to agree. BUT! They improved greatly over the last 2 years and I'm using them more and more. Besides AP I mostly use Scale 75 and Vajello and I have to say, in termysof quality the difference is negligible with the newer paints.
I am an Army Painter defender, so I'm happy to see that these paints are performing so well! I hate storing paint pots, so these being dropper bottles is also a big plus for me. I would love to see an airbrush comparison/more product reviews.
I wasn't big on contrast paints early on, but I used them to paint the entire Marvel United kickstarter and now I'm in love. I have about half of the range and a couple hundred hours of experience with them. Your thoughts sum them up fairly well. If speed paint performs as you and other reviewers have seen, then I'll be getting the entire range eventually.
There are 5-8 pots of contrast that are really good as a go to for almost any painter’s toolbox. The range is a little hit and miss with coverage and how it applies to a model. Speed paints seem to cover and behave the same across any color that I’ve seen so far.
They look really good, especially for power armour but I'd be interested in seeing how they're used on more organic surfaces.
I love contrast paints, but only on things like skin, fabric, leather etc. So it would be awesome if the AP paints are just as good at both.
Similar, no noticeable downside, half the price and already in a dropper bottle rather than a comedy tub. I mostly make my own with artist ink, matt media, thinner and flow improver, but if I wanted an out of the bottle paint to do a base colour on a whole army then these seem a no brainer. (mind I don't use contrast paint for base colours)
speed paint solved the coverage problem that contrast paints have especially over flat surfaces. the better finish is just icing can't wait to get these.
I hate that I'm up at 2:30 am, but the unexpected vid is a cool bonus.
I have found that putting a thicker oil wash over a model (especially one with a matt undercoat, so it has something to grip onto) in the same manner as a contrast paint, nets a very similar result. With a big upside that you can manipulate the paint for hours afterwards, so you can remove it where is it laid on too thick and can fix any pooling that occurred.
Very true, I've been enjoying this as well. Just have to be aware it works much better with translucent pigments, like what is used in the speed and contrast paints.
These experiments really excite me. AP has a bit of loyalty from me for their price point, but contrast made painting so much easier when they released. Speedpaints give me a lot of hope that I'll be able to afford to paint more minis!
OMG, havent been painting miniatures for 7 months but I cant stop smile at this video and it makes my tummy tickle. Ive got 4 brandnew the thing minis to paint and Im about to go nuts. Thanx again for the info and the great way you show how the paint behaves.
This is cool to see, I just saw the Army Painter video on these recently and as someone who uses Citadel contrast paints quite a bit for glazes and what not I'm keen to see videos like this that break it down nicely. I'm already a fan of a bunch of other AP products so definitely promising, particularly because I have to pay Australian dollars for my hobby supplies 🤣
It took me time but I’ve really grown to love army painter tbh. I tend to just use whatever I have for colours and when someone bought me one of the starter kits from army painter as a gift I was hesitant to apply them on gw models but once I did I really enjoyed them. Will continue to use in the future just based on price point alone
I want to know how they stack up against Scale75’s Instant Color. I went heavy into that line of paints and prefer them over GW’s Contrast paints. If they are comparable but easier to find might replace them when the time comes.
Great video, and very interesting! All I want for my models is that they look.. er... Fine on the table, so I don't even thin down my contrasts at all. I just use 'em straight out of the bottle. I almost exclusively paint with contrasts these days, so I really look forward to trying out Speedpaints. I try to get a squad done in a week, for context. Love how you're still stuck in 2020 mode btw ;)
Extremely helpful - trying to understand how these things compare or even just some better description of contrast paints is great. Thank you for this video.
The thing to be said about these 2 paint ranges is that they work differently despite their apparent same purpose.
This comes from the fact that Speedpaint works by having medium and different pigments pulling on the surface at different strengths, the darker ones pulling more than the lighter, creating separation in such a way that it looks different paint colours were used on different layer.
Contrast otherwise works by being a layer that creates it's shading from the shaded areas having more paint which creates a more concentrated colour, which is why you don't see a pull nearly to the extent of the Speedpaints, and that it's medium just sits on the surface rather than sinks into recesses.
Dana you can find a better way,there are two miracle solutions:
-GW contrast or other lavis/washes/glacis/inks of any brands for any flat surfaces(armor,vehicules,spaceship,etc...)worked perfectly only spray them with a airbrush,needle 0.2 to 0.4 .
-if you used brush ,please forget acrylics,now time to paint with oil paaint well diluted with white spirit for artist !the result will be marvelous!!
Ultramarine blue vs. Cloud Blue seemed pretty conclusive because I don't want to have to thin down my paints if I can help it.
Then I end up with far more consistent results when painting a whole unit.
I get that you should thin your paints, and when using normal paint I do, but the whole point of Speed Paints is, well, speed, and getting good, consistent results, right out of the pot, is a baseline for whether or not the paint is worth using.
Thanks for this very well constructed comparison. Now I want these paints even more than before.
Seems like a no-brainer that no one should ever buy a Contrast Paint ever again.
Oh people will still buy contrast regardless of these speed paints. People use contrast paints in various ways for very specific jobs, where as Speed Paints are very good for quick basing, which is the advertised purpose of both types so speed paints are better for that.
So for intended purposes, if thats all you want, then yeah, skip contrast, but contrast still has uses that are very specific and can be better than speed paints, not to mention some people going for army matching are "bought in".
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I feel sorry for anyone who "needs" Contrast Paints.
It's like GW has stolen their soul. No way they're worth using at the price they cost as many of their effects can easily be reproduced with much cheaper methods, and relatively easily, even before we had an alternative like Speed Paints.
Great review. So far every review I have seen on these says basically the same thing - a solid performer at a much better price point. I am hopeful that the entire range performs this well. And if you can, please try them through an airbrush...if they work well there that would be awesome. Cheers!
Appreciate the comparison. Keen to see the other range when it comes out. Thanks Dana
You have to build into the GW contrast paint cost that built into the design concept and business model is that once in a while you’ll knock one over or it will leak even if you “closed” it.
Like… brand new bottle of Agrax Earthshade…. Knocked over the desk on first opening …
I think they are clearly a contrast 1.5, if you are after a quicker more consistent thickness across the range, and cheaper option, with less medium use. I'll consider replacing contrast with them as tests next year. I have wayyyy to many contrast paints but mostly use them as x2 thinned-out coats to avoid looping and get consistency. This then takes twice as long ... so speed paint may be speedier ....
Such a great video. Love that you went straight from the bottle and didn't try to "improve" either product with glaze medium. I am really looking forward to more of these Speed Paints, as contrast are the bread and butter of my painting toolbox
As someone who yet again spilled a pot of contracts paint recently (Magos Purple) I can't wait to try something that seems very conorable and possibly better. Outstanding video!
I've only really used contrast paint for two situations. The base coat for Necrons, using a black contrast over a white undercoat sprayed over a grey undercoat before applying silvers and gold. The other is for Orks, pretty much ork skin for boyz, speed painting orks basically and honestly those are the only two situations where I find they look fine.
The primer are different, thats why the Citadel contrast paint results seem to be worse. You actually NEED to use the Primers, that Citadel recommends (Grey Seer and Wraithbone) in order to get optimal results. The way contrast colors from citadel flow with or without the correct primer is very different. There are actually videos on this topic. So yeah, if you want a fair comparison, use the actual primers, that are recommended and not offbrands!
I have just found your page and find your work very clean and well done. I have switched over to contrast for speed painting. So this video was very helpful. Love your work....
Thank you for the review. I have been looking hard at these. Have a wonderful holiday season!
I received the 10 bottle set recently but I only had an undead model already prepped with a clear colour. I tried to mix a leather brown and an orc green (i don't remember the exact names) and since both these colours are dark I decided to thin then with two drops of water.
I painted the mini without really any Attention to details (that was just a test) and just after that I leave it to dry.
I came back the day after and the result looked amazing. I'm happy I have the 10 colour set but I will definitely buy the bigger set later!
Great review. I hadn't heard about these, and now I need to pay attention when they are released.
I like the look of the speed paints over the contrast citadel paints.
I'm glad Army Painter is making these! Now I too can have contrast paints even though I'm on a strict GW boycott.
Great review! I am beginning to paint my Heroquest models and this video was instrumental on choosing paints.
Glad to hear it Carmelo!!! These paints are perfect for board game speedpaints
So glad you did this comparison, as I have been considering this very issue but did not wish to pay out for new paints needlessly. As a UK resident I don't think the cost difference is as pronounced as yours is, but AP are still cheaper than GW. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this demo. I have 100% avoided GW Contrast because I was afraid that I wouldn’t be able to afford what I needed, and this video got me so excited about Speed Paints.
By the way, I have been following you for a long time and you and your content is my favorite in this hobby. Your videos have helped me so much , and I am just really grateful for you. I plan to pony up and support in 2022.
Love your channel, Dana. Love your mind. Love your humor.
Overall a fair test and like you said: It'll be fun to try the whole range. I have ALL the contrasts, though I haven't actually used them all much yet, but for future projects I know I'll "need" them all.
I know that Space Marine is also like THE trademark GW model, but to be fair they're not an ideal test-model for either paint. (1 exception would be Space Wolves with more textures, fewer helmets and just more ornaments with pelts to break up all the smooth surfaces, but whatever.) Naturally there's a LOT of painters/players who play these, but to see how well they can perform it's more "fair" to try them out on something more organic, like almost anything out of the Daemons book, or almost anything from AoS Sylvaneth.
But by all means, you can see the finish and some of the main differences even on Space Marines, so it does work. I'm very excited and it seems both ranges have their stronger and weaker ones, as you might expect. Overall it's a win-win for painters as we now get some more competition and more overall products that both do the same thing! :D Yet another great vid, can't wait for more content when the full range releases! :D
The Napoleonic's forums are looking to seeing how they handle uniforms compared to C/P's. I got to site the Citadel pots on a dish to prevent spills due to the lid catches me swinging the brush around the bench . So dropper bottles is a better idea . Plus they come with ball bearings
Awesome thanks! Looking forward to their release!
That brown one from AP makes a GREAT dark leather look.
Great video! As a creator yourself highlighting the fact that no one really wants to spend a lot of money on supplies, when it might be the only bottleneck slowing down your hobby process, is good reassurance for those out there struggling with the financial side of the hobby! Giving us a hands-on demonstration and your honest opinion is only a good thing.
After seeing the paints performance I’m gonna look into the Speedpaint next time I wanna try a new technique.
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Cheaper AND in dropper bottles?!? Very exciting
Lol at “for science reasons” 😆 I’m really impressed by these paints! Thanks for this awesome comparison!
Great video I loved the comparision between non-diluted paints. However I have a small tip that may help someone - recently I struggled with getting intended colour with Citadel Contrasts and my friend told me to 'thin them down as they were never meant to be used right from the bottle' (which is something opposite to Dana's view). At least based on my friend's knowledge its good to treat most (but not all!) of Citadels contrast as a 'highly condensed essence' that needs to be diluted. Nontheless try both approaches and find what suits Your needs, Cheers!
These paints have been instant on demand since they were announced. Citadel's contrast paints are a mix of different textures which really goes against what a contrast paint is for. AP brand speed paints all seem to be the exact same consistency which will lead to consistency in the end product, the Miniature. Been using Citadel paints for 30 plus years now and while I have never had any problems with them, their contrast paints are suspect. All over the place in terms of use for each color which makes using them frustrating without a ton of foresight and usage. I will for sure be getting a set of these and the odd colors will eventually find a use probably in mixing other colors.
Very nice comparison. I’ve just started using Contrast paints and have been hesitant recommending them to my club kids. This is a great alternative. Thank you.
I like knowing that a product is worth using. While I don't usually appreciate people shoving advertisements in my face this type of comparison / review doesn't feel like that at all and I see as being very useful. More please. 😊
appreciate the comparison. half price is half price - this will sway a lot of people if the quality is as good as better.
I can't think of a better sentiment to take from this video than "Look, I'm not saying one is better than the other, but one is definitely half the price of the other"
I recently got into painting with contrast paint and I so wnated to wait for speedpaint to come out... but I havent. I still feel like buying the entire speedpaint range will be the smartest decision I ever make.
AP Speedpaints look like they perform like their washes, which I love. I've used them not only to speed paint an army but for more careful work on plastic scale models and busts. They are excellent. These Speedpaints look like they perform just as well.
This was really informative! I've never thought about using contrast paints but after seeing the results I might have to grab one of two
Excellent video with great comparisons. This looks extremely promising!
I own only black templar of the contrast paints... I use it exclusively out of the airbursh! Its easier to use and gives better results than thinned black ink for undershading.
Thanks for making this helpful comparison video, Dana!
Have to keep an eye out for when they release the full line.
Squidmar just released a video about his love of airbrushing with contrast paints, although also mentioned the ridiculous price of Citadels.
I'm adoring the little head buts between the pots at the start of each round.
Big respect for not burying the lede.
I mean, when you're using them afterwards, yeah, thin them. But if it's intended to not need thinning, it would be incredibly unfair to compare them after giving either an advantage.
I can't trust any army painter paints, they're so inconsistent it's crazy. You can buy 3 bottles of exact same paint and have all of them be of differing quality, which is something I haven't seen from any other manufacturer so far.
I don't use citadel paints either so not just fanboying gw either. Simply had basically nothing but bad experiences with AP paints.
I have lots of army painter stuff and I fully agree about the inconsistency (their brushes are good tho). Some colours are great, some terrible (looking at you Babe Blonde). I find Vallejo paints a solid middle ground. I have around 200 Vallejo paints, 70 army painter pots, 35 citadel pots (50/50 contrast/normal). What paints do you mainly use?
I use the metallics but everything else I've bought was pretty awful
@@Deadpool_collector247 Vallejo metal colors are the best metallics I've seen but I haven't really tried their regular acrylics yet. I use mainly ProAcryl and Kimera Kolors for my regular acrylics,Vallejo for metallics and scale75 inktensity range for my inks.
@@BarokaiRein I like the Vallejo washes (though a bit glossy) & their metallics too. Thanks for letting me know what your preference is. Im wanting to try out some recommended paints next year :)
I switched to primarily using Army Painter a few years ago, but I have go-to colours from about every range there is. These speed paints and the AP Air line have me excited!
Very helpful. Thanks. I am just learning about contrast/speed paints.
I have been really excited to try these. I have a HUGE backlog of minis to paint and some affordable contrast alternatives will really help me get them done.
hm, the real comparison I would love to see is against Scale's Instant Colors, which are, I think, not Ink based
I would love to see your tests with airbrushing speed paints. Great video - thanks.
Your call on Citadel Wyldwood and AP Dark Wood was sound. If I were you, though, I'd use AP Dark Wood as the under layer for metallic bronze, copper, gold, or rust.
The application of the army painter paints is so consistent. They look gorgeous. I'm so excited for these
Splendid as usual. Your work never fails to inspire.
Thank you very much for making this video. As a beginner trying to figure out my budget for paints and minis this is a pretty big game changer
Every time you said "One thick coat," I heard Duncan echoing in my head.
I came into the mini-painting hobby by way of Army Painter. While the colour range of GW may be a little bigger, the fact is, I like AP. The colours are nice, they flow well, and they cover nicely. Now, I will say, doing so takes work, but I'm not afraid of that. Yes, you do have to shake the paints well to ensure that the medium and pigments mix well - it's a standing joke about AP paint - but if that's the only issue, I think I can work with it. The fact is, the price is worth it. And clearly, with the recent airbrush paint release, as well as these speed paints, the company is doing well, in spite of their reputation as "budget paint." I have recently taken to using Contrast paint. I didn't like them at first - i found them akin to kids watercolours. Then I actually sat down and used a few. While there is a learning curve, they are a useful painting tool. I started watching Warhipster on RUclips here and found his techniques incredible. Im floored by the things he does with Contrast Paint. I loved his work on the Cursed City models and have slowly been working on my own in a similar manner. I am by no means a good painter, but I enjoy what I do, and I am quite happy how things are improving. Now, if AP is coming out with contrast colours, I will need to take a look. I like Contrast Paint. I DO NOT like the $9.40 CDN cost. That's well, utter BS. for a wee bottle of paint. So if AP can do the same job for less, go Army Painter!
I don’t use any contrast paints straight out of the bottle. I thin them all 1:1 or 2:1 medium:paint
If you just want something to use straight out of the bottle purely for speed then AP is probably better. But, if your using price point as a comparison, then contrast might actually be cheaper if you take thinning into account.
The real test for me is how well you can wet blend two different colors, because that is my favorite way to use contrast paints.
Thanks Dana! Great video, keep up all the good work you do 👍
You know you're a painter when you make 'ooooh' sounds when watching paint go on. lol
I like contrast paints as washes on certain models. Skeleton bone is really really good
Also contrast paints by their very nature are water proof. It specifically says to not use a wet pallet with them. You shouldn't with contrast or metallic paints.
Can't wait to try thinning some of these and putting them through an airbush.
Super interested on seeing how they go through an airbrush
I have to say, the finish on all the AP looks great.
Thanks for the info, I usually count army painter out, but I'll have to take a second look!
Thanks for this review and comparison. I’m a huge fan of Army Painter because I paint quick and dirty, and I was looking for this kind of “contrast” equivalence.
Solid review Dana! I was actually pretty curious about these since I also use Contrast Paints (a ton). Thanks for this super helpful video and keep up the great work!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts (definitely would like more of these types of videos) on these paints very much looking forward to trying these out..
I am still pretty new to the hobby, but i have quickly come to the understanding that the only thing you need to buy from GW are the models,. Everything else they sell can be found better, cheaper or both from other companies.
I mean there's a few contrast paints that I think are fantastic like snake bite leather and aggros dunes
I’m no GW shill, but some of their paints are excellent.
Dear Dana, lovely video. As much as I like to use contrast paints, i struggle with them more often than not. I would love you (or any of your esteemed colleagues) to make a video or series along the line, how to use the individual contrast colours to the best of their properties. Which colour needs (approximately) how much medium? Which is best used through the airbrush? Which one is fine as is? Are there certain brushes or other techniques especially suitable? ... lalala, etc.
People often comment that the best way to apply even contrast paint is to stippled it rather than to drag it like a normal paint. However, since AP speed paint doesn't seem to require this I'd say it's another advantage
Great review. Can't wait until they are available
They do work through an airbrush. AP demonstrated it in a video on their youtube channel.
I appreciate your insight and look into comparative colors between the ranges.
The application of the paints seemed a bit thick, But that might be because when I use contrast paints I do them over a pure white base, and that makes it really easy to have super thin layers.
I don't know if Green Stuff World Intensity Inks are easily available worldwide, but I would recommend you (everyone interested in a cheaper alternative to GW's Contrasts) to try them. I recently acquired the full range, and I can tell the blue and browns definitely hold the comparison to their GW equivalents.
Sounds like I don't need to rush and replace my contrast paints just now, but perhaps when I need a new colour I'll try the AP line.
Biggest plus (aside for half the price) is they come in drop bottles; knocking over a GW contrast and having half of it fly out is the most painful thing ive had happen to me in ages
Have you tried shaking the contrast? All your contrast samples look unshaken, which is why you're getting that uneven, thick, feeling on the brush
thank you for doing this vid.. i am so excited now about that paint .. will have to pick some up
Thanks for this, I’ve been really interested in these paints and I have to say this was very convincing, I think I’ll be picking these up once they are out.