Apple never built a Mac like this
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- These all in one classic Macintoshes are pretty ubiquitous as Apple sold a lot of them throughout the the production run. All of them were pretty similar to each other outside of different speeds. In this video, I set out to differentiate this Mac in a very different way.
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Doh!! I accidentally had comments disabled on this video when it went live this morning.
Opps x3
I was going to comment a comment to end all comments. It literally would have broken the internet. Now I've forgotten what it was. Probably for the best.
I was wondering why it was off lol
I thought there were some drama in the video I missed ... like a paperclip or something ...
A reboot always helps @nerd in disguise :-)
We are not museums or historians; a little mod here and there to make old school tech more accessible to the user is fine in my book. 😁 Always good to see a bit less e-waste and more useful machines, even if they are now pretty much just for fun...
@eck8989 Exactly what I mean - I'm not into Macs myself but I like to resurrect old school tech. The phrasing was meant as a reply to Adrian asking if people think that he ruined that classic machine.
I fully agree. The most important part is to get it going. Perhaps, also, if someone needs a "proper" part, you could then pass it on if it's in decent shape.
I'd agree completely.
I think one difference with modern "antiques" and old antiques is that things made in the 20th century were made for purposes we still find useful, but are complicated enough that they require maintenance. So the old idea of purity doesn't apply. We own these things to USE them, not to sit on a shelf.
There's long been precedence for this idea. People have been collecting cars for decades. People that restore them want them to RUN, show them off, and drive them around. Not sit in a garage collecting dust. They restore them to work, and they sometimes modify them and put new engines in them. It's still useful because we still use cars!
There's another class of antiques that fall into a completely different category. Stuff like a butter churn, or a pickling crock, or a washboard. Nobody uses these things anymore at all or any modern equivalent (my parents had all these things sitting around the house as museum pieces).
I just think there's an inherent difference between these two types of antiques. Especially a computer. A computer sitting on a shelf, not turned on is just a hunk of plastic, metal, and silicon. It doesn't really become something of value and interest until you actually use the thing. Cars are the same.
@@stevesether Hey, I use a butter churn and pickling crock all the time!
There are enough in museums anyway, let's have fun with them!
Hi mate. My dad was a tv technician (in the crt age, right before companies told the repair era to throw the lcd away and give the customer a new one) essential equipment was a mirror to stop him throwing his back/neck out trying to look around to see the screen.
Yup. Had an internship in a TV repair shop some 20 years ago and every work desk had a mirror of some sort (either square tiles or larger ones) glued to the wall so they can see the front of the TVs/monitors while working on them without acrobatics
lovely little swap, I've always preferred the look of amber monitors. That might be because of Fallout: NV though. Lol
The Caesar has marked you for death, and the Legion obeys! Ready yourself for battle!
I have a new old stock 9 inch amber CRT that I've been saving for a project like this for a while now. Might just end up as an amber Vectrex, though.
I always liked amber monitors too. Green always looked dark to me. People told me that I should want a black and white monitor because *duh* the expensive Apple Macintosh computers all had black and white displays!
@@lwvmobile lol :D
You've built your own Pip Boy? Haven't you?
Always fascinated by how CRT technology worked. They were always a mystery growing up and now that they're obsolete I still kind of miss them. I wish I would have picked up more CRTs when they were being dumped off everywhere as trash.
yeah, in grad school I ended up with a big pile of old CRT-based dumb terminals and so on and at the time they were just garbage, and I took them to a shooting range to see if they’d actually implode. Turns out, no, they don’t.
The terminals they came from are probably still worthless but the CRTs themselves might have been good for something. Oh well. Formerly-common things only become valuable because they were formerly-common to the point nobody held onto them. Working Commodore 64s used to be like $5 at any random thrift shop.
There are still some to be found.
It's pretty rare these days but I do still find CRT TVs on the curb sometimes
The situation with CRT computer monitors tends to be a little more stupid (like even if it's some boring, bog-standard VGA monitor people tend to ask money for it) but there are still some deals to be had. I'd watch Craigslist.
The TVs are mostly good for game consoles and older (1980s) home computers, while the monitors these days are mostly early-2000s VGA monitors. There's also some decent deals from time to time on things like the early CRT iMacs - which of course have a computer built in but with a bit of work could probably be repurposed as a VGA monitor for another computer.
Granted, it's not like in, say, 2006 where CRTs were just getting dumped all over the place... And I think it's pretty hard these days to find a decent deal on something like that Apple IIc monitor. But you can find stuff if you watch for it.
They're still out there. Check the thrift stores in your area.
@@ScottGrammer Most of the thrift stores where I am outright refuse to take CRTs and got rid of their last ones ages ago.
@@fluffycritter that's a bummer. I have a vintage audio repair shop inside a thrift store in Chattanooga Tennessee. At any one time that thrift store will have perhaps half a dozen CRT televisions and at least a couple of CRT monitors. They take them in all the time and sell them like hotcakes.
This is a pretty cool mod. I love how confident you are that it’s going to work
This is a period correct hack. I could totally see one of my friends, back in the day, doing exactly this kind of swap. It's certainly no less "pure" than my MacSE that was upgraded, back in 89, with a Radius 020 accelerator (and's been running that config ever since). These old machines are meant to be used; what makes them so charming today is that, not long ago, they were just viewed as e-waste. Now they are the survivors with a second life, even if it's just to entertain and enable our tinkering and exploration of bygone eras. It doesn't matter if they're a perfect, fresh out of a box NOS example, or a machine cobbled together from parts, every example that avoids filling up a landfill is a victory. And yeah, that's a pretty cool hack, so I'd say the world is just a little bit better place with a greenscreen Mac Stealth Classic 2 in it.
Well said.
That’s brilliant! I think the green CRT will definitely reduce eye strain, and it’s a neat little swap to set that Mac apart from the rest.
I think I'd prefer amber.
@@StarkRG I had an amber non glare screen growing up and my eyes never got strained on it. Having one of each now I am still partial to the amber but both seem easy on the eyes.
It's a reversible modification, nothing has been destroyed, there shouldn't be a single dissenting voice. But there are 42 dislikes... No pleasing some people.
Now 64 Mac purists. They probably believe Apple invented white phosphor.
It's normal for every video in youtube actually. Don't know where it came from, but most are most likely bots.
I'd take something like this (especially with his explanation of having 2 unmolested ones and this is basically his testbed) over those dipshits who gut vintage machines like this, and throw everything away just to put some crappy LCD and a shitberry pi in there any day
Not only that, he now has a spare CRT for one of his other machines.
The dislikes are from people who think PCs running MS-DOS are the coolest retro shit ever.
My Dad's old AT&T AT clone had a green CRT. It was always such a treat to use his new 386 and play our games in color!
I had an amber composite monitor driven by a CGA card for a long time. Once I saw how ghastly many games looked in CGA 4-color mode, I was actually pretty happy to have my three shades of amber.
takes me way way back to elementary school in the early 90s using Apple IIes
I watched a video the other day, an interview with Steve Jobs and the rest of the Mac team from Apple, and a question came up regarding the B&W nature of the screen.
The basic response was that B&W was chosen because they could have a higher resolution screen and graphics than if they had tried to do colour, and that B&W would be better matched to upcoming laser printers which would be B&W at that time anyway.
Colour was a matter of cost - trying to fit high resolution colour graphics into the Mac at it's price point just wouldn't have worked commercially.
So, two things about this: First, I heard somewhere (can't find a reference off-hand) that in 1982/3 during development of the Mac there was only one large-scale supplier of 9" full-color CRTs, some company in Japan. The CRTs were really expensive, so Steve flew out there to try to negotiate a deal. Supposedly he showed up to the meeting under the influence of something and made a total ass of himself so the whole deal was cancelled by the manufacturer. The "we prefer B&W" story was then made up as cover. Is it true? Maybe, but probably not. As noted, a color version of the Mac would've likely doubled its already high price because you'd need not only the color tube but more RAM and a faster CPU to process the extra pixels as smoothly as B&W, and more disk space to hold the color icons and whatnot. Is it believable? Yeah I wouldn't put it past Steve to do something like that.
Second, and verifiably true, is that single-color CRTs are much sharper than RGB CRTs (at least, as far as 1980s-era tubes go) and so are preferable for precision work (CAD, graphic design, etc) and also well-suited for the low resolution (512x384) of the original Mac: sharper dots mean things can be smaller on screen without getting blurry. White was likely chosen because it's closer to working on paper, which is what most office-type jobs involved prior to computers whether you were reading documents all day or creating them yourself. Amber is usually considered to be easier on the eyes over long-term use compared to white, but that may be anecdotal; anti-glare coatings are likely to have more of an effect (and anti-glare CRTs were supposedly common upgrades back in the heyday of B&W Macs, since most of their tubes didn't have anti-glare from the factory).
Cool transplant video. Had fun watching it.
I think things are going the way of this type of hobby being more and more watched on RUclips. It's nice to see in the quality places I can find it already, this being one of them. Great video!
Green is one of the colors our eyes are most sensitive to. Following that, if you keep the intensity low, green results in less eyestrain. Amber is perceived to be easier on the eyes because it tends to have a lower perceived brightness. It's counterintuitive. Clarity and adequate contrast at a lower overall brightness is easier on your eyes (assuming you adjust it correctly.)
Interesting! I know I've read that tungsten filament bulbs in cars is easier on the eyes but indeed is less bright -- for similar reasons I guess?
@@adriansdigitalbasement Definitely easier on the eyes than the bright blue-white of an LED headlight.
I just got a G4-450 Mac and would love to see a few videos about this machine and some upgrades I love the channel, keep up the great work!!!
really cool channel , and really enjoy watching the repairs of the the old tech. which follows me on to when I started watching Seinfeld and low behold in one of the scenes there is a MAC of some description in the back ground and straight away I thought of you and this one. 👍
Neat swap! One day, it would be neat to see retro inspired LCD mods (not channel specific, but generally) that replicates the curvature of CRT's too.
That's been my main gripe with LCD mods trying to make dead CRT devices useful again. I still have an early iMac with a dead CRT (dim, blurry AF, HV cutting out) and a semi-dead logic board (boots but will randomly freeze). I've thought about putting an entire ITX PC in there and a 15" (i think it was?) LCD, but the slight curvature of the case for the CRT makes any LCD mod look like ass, so it's been collecting dust in the basement ever since.
I've even thought about venting the original bad CRT and carefully cutting away at the glass so that only the front face with the mounting screws stays intact, then getting rid of the phosphor coating and sticking an LCD behind the original front glass or something, but since I have no clue how to cut the glass without making it crack and ruin the front that idea never went anywhere either...
I'd still go back inside later on and put the thinner support in to prevent the screw from tearing the end of the plastic mounting point. I'd be just a little afraid of that. But still very cool, though I prefer the white screen :D
There's another thing about the display on the original Macs that also demonstrates the intent to make the machine excel at desktop publishing: The original pixel size was 72 to the inch, so each pixel was one point in type size measurement, making it straightforward to create a WYSIWYG desktop publishing application. Or, at least, as straightforward as it could be.
A green monitor would look SO COOL on a Mac SE with that MacEffects clear case.
ohhhh man you're so right
I never knew there were that many adjustments on CRTs
I didn't think there were that many for monochrome either.
But color? Definitely
A very important thing to check before swapping CRTs is the filament voltage. I believe most of these 9" monitor tubes are 12v but 6.3v is also common on CRTs (and vacuum tubes in general). If you put a 6.3v tube in a 12v chassis it will have a good chance of burning out within a few seconds.
When it comes to computer displays from the 70s and 80s, it seems all monochrome CRTs are 12v and all color ones are 6.3v. I'm sure in the TV realm things may have been different
Scotty: "What is it?"
Data: "It is.. it is... it is green."
Scotty: "Hello computer."
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@@arfanmedni7294 "A keyboard...how quaint!"
Scotty : Rev up your corollaaaaaaa
Also Data: “I hate this; it is revolting.”
Guinan: “More?”
Data: “Yes, please.”
Regretting selling my molar mac... It had a bad defection yolk... realizing after watching this I could have just replaced that part. Frick.
Always wanted to see a green Mac. Love it!
I put a green CRT in my green SE case that I got from MacEffects. I think it looks great.
Reminds me of when we were maintaining our aging machines in the late 90s early 2000s, there was no consideration of purity. Or of keeping it tonally original. These machines were our daily drivers so their function was more important. Well maybe not the Classic, my baby was an LC575.
Unless I missed something, the CRT was not hooked to ground. The probe was, as a consequence, also not hooked to ground. If you do that frequently it would explain why you have been zapped by CRTs before.
Green and amber might be easier on the eyes but the paper white screen looks the best with the original Macintosh(s). As it matches the color of the Mac case as well.
Adrian, thank you for another fun video. I went to reply yesterday when I watched, but comments were disabled at that time. I have to say that I'm not a fan of green phosphor CRTs in general but I like the mod. (Part of me hoped in vain that you were going to put an amber-phosphor tube in it!)
I was working on a Quadra today, and had the DB15 to VGA adapter set to the wrong monitor ID. The Quadra decided for some reason that my display should be green. It wasn’t all green, it could show pure white, pure black, and was capable of colors, but all gray shades were green instead. I spent a few hours cleaning up an old drive and installing 7.6.2 on it.
When I finally finished up and could power-cycle the computer with a new ID set, I got regular grays back.
It was a relief.
I don’t think I would like a green-scale Mac.
"It's not that easy being green, having to spend each day the colour of the leaves. When I think it would be nicer being red or yellow or gold, or something much more colourful like that..." - Jim Henson (RIP 1936-1990)
I love the green screen. Not only does it look cool it looks so relaxing to the eyes.
Keep up the good work. Ron UK
I accidentally broke a Mac SE screen during a system dust/dirt cleanup last year. Now I know ANY Mac or Apple //c 9” screen will work as a replacement. Thanks! I’ll be looking for a green one too ;)
You are totally crazy - i love you for that. You have created a very unique Mac with this CRT Swap.
Green is keen, and white's alright, but amber is where it's at. Seriously, it's good to see this alternative for the Mac - it'll provide a way to keep the hardware going as display tubes become scarce. Well done!
I think black and white looks nicer for a GUI than green. But it’s still cool to make a working thing out of two non-working things.
Adrian I like the way you put that green CERT in the iMac classic I like that that’s what I always dreamed of having on one of mine but I don’t have one so I always dreamed of having that Sunday
It is neat. I didn't expect it to look as good as it does. And I love that it doesn't involve cutting anything! It can be put back at anytime. Those are the mods I love. I need to find another Macintosh. Used to have one and that was a blast.
I'd argue it's not the colour that is straining but the contrast with the environment. Using a screen while being in the dark is more eye straining than doing the same but turning on a small light behind the screen or on the side of your desk. Whites and flashes of light don't hurt if your Iris's aren't as wide open.
The amount of knowledge you have on CRTs are is impressive
I thought it was going to be swapped with an LCD. Surely didn’t expect that.
Green Apple !
It looks very cool! Good information about working with CRT's, too.
Love this mod! I always thought they would look good with an Amber or Green monitor. Also, thanks for all your videos! I was able to fix an old broken ebay C64 (250425) sold for repairs and now have it working fully. Your videos were crucial to my success. I replaced U11 and U9, can you believe I have the exact replacement chips (OKI M3764-20 plus the 16 pin sockets as well) from ones I have salvaged over 30 years ago. I didn't even know I had them until I looked through my old electronics stash and i couldn't believe it myself, there they were. My first, but certainly not my last C64 repair :)
Looks nice ngl
I think a display with a mostly black background definitely looks better in green, but I'm not so convinced about the old mono Mac look like that. Still, if it looks better for you go for it, it's your machine and your choice!
Great video. Thanks
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You should do something with the IIc monitor case. Maybe put in a small LCD screen that fits, as well as some sort of single-board computer (which you could also run an emulator on).
Since it's so yellow you could try whitening it, or painting, or just leave it alone.
Nah. He can well use that "white" screen by simply cutting out excess plastic of about the size of the spacers he has put into the Mac Classic case and use shorter screws (and maybe to cut a couple of new threads). Since he has those spacers, he can always revert to the green CRT, but with spacers inserted.
@@docnele he doesn't have any of the boards etc to drive that 2nd screen though...
I'm not sure a meter is the best thing for discharging the CRT. Meters are usually pretty high impedance. It'll tell you if it's charged but I don't think it would discharge it very quickly. Fortunately basically all CRTs have discharge resistors built into the circuitry so it's not a big deal.
Not a fan of the green, but it’s not my computer. Always doing something different each video and I can appreciate that. Still got a thumbs up. 👍
It’s like putting in a Chevy motor into you Ford Model A because that’s what you wanted. I like it.
For the spacer, just file the one that is the closest to working until it fits. Even if only half of the spacer is left and the screw hole is open, it will still work better than nothing. The spacers are 3D printed plastic, likely PLA, they will file very easily.
I just did the same type of swap between my iic monitor and se/30. Just a fun oddity to have with them both. And then afterwards was looking around to see if I could find a red-ish phosphorus tube from some old monitor but haven’t had any luck.
Green and amber adds character to a monochrome display. Paper White just mocks you for having a monochrome display.
I think this is the best Apple Macintosh Classic mod that I have ever seen. I love it. I wish the one we had when I was young had green phosphor.
Great job! Personally would have went with amber...but, great job!
White might be harder on the eyes, but it has one really important advantage. If you look at a single color for a very long time, your sight will try to adapt, shifting your color perception. After working on green CRT, you start to see world around you shifted towards pink or purple hues. This will not happen with black and white display.
Macs were designed for DTP and other graphics work from the start and picking white phosphor was propably a conscious choice.
As for early Macintosh computers. They are the only computers that just skipped from 1-bit monochrome displays to 8-bit 256 color graphics with 24-bit palette.
Even though Macs started with monochrome displays, it's just a waste that they used 1-bit color depth. Even IBM PC started with 4-color graphics mode and 16-color text mode on CGA and hi-res text mode 720x348 on MDA.
It looks amazing, I liked, I want to buy one Macintosh for myself 👏👍
Next up: installing a true color CRT so the desktop will be rainbow striped just like the Apple logo.
Excellent work! Now you need a Mac with a color screen ;)
14:32 - The other 4 corners, ah.. the old CRT pentagram mounting system
I've never seen a green or amber black and white television set. What they actually did was use colored gel filters. You could even convert a black and white TV into a color one using a color wheel. It worked, but it was no where near as good as a color TV set.
Ha! You got the polarity right! L0pht got the polarity wrong, and had it reversed, hence the name camneerg ( green mac backwards. )
Ah once you had no image I instantly remembered my first electrician task, I was playing with a chinese nintendo rippoff, famicon (I dont even know if it was a ripoff anymore, because its like a 1:1 system lol) hooked to my moms small 13" CRT TV. Now we were a quite a poor family back when I was like 9 or so. Then in the middle of some game, I accidentally janked the cables of the console, so that the CRT tv fell of the shelf to the ground. My heart skipped at least 5 beats, I thought I destroyed my moms TV. Back then it was serious business! So the TV had no image. I paniced, because there was no visual damage, just a scratch on the front plastic face. So I had no other way to just, unplug it, open it up and try to figure out how to fix it lol. So it turned out something came loose, but after that the image was all messed up, that's where I found these internal small analogue controls, I started messing with them and after a few seconds I made the tv even sharper and colors more vibrant. My mom still doesn't know about it :D
I've been working with electronics ever since :D
Amber would look so damn nice. There is just something magical about amber CRTs!
As soon as I find a 9" Amber CRT that works, I'll be attempting that swap :-)
@@adriansdigitalbasement Heck yes!
I absolutely love old tech but thank baby Jesus for the new tech. Looking at a green booger all day long would suck. lol. Great Video great job.
My rule of putting things into new places vis engineering ; is that nothing fits ever period.
There's always some small part that you have to saw off or change - and that's if you're lucky.
Even if you measure twice first, with three dimensions there's always something that wont quite fit.. without a little extra persuasion.
Always was parital to amber, our wchool had one in thw apple II days. Loved it as was easier on me eyes.
Paper white displays are great and all… if you can find them. The Mac Classic isn’t particularly rare anyway.
IMO amber is way better than green, but that’s also the color of monochrome monitor I grew up with so that might have been nostalgia.
Good video Adrian! Thanks for always sharing with us!💖👌👍😎JP
I’ve always preferred the paper white phosphor. When I ordered my personal VT420 terminal, I special ordered the white phosphor. My Apple /// had the Monitor /// with the green phosphor. I hated the textured coating and the slow refresh. It is interesting seeing green phosphor on a classic Mac.
Not gonna lie, I got pretty nervous when you put that screwdriver near the operating CRT around the 20-minute mark.
I love watching Adrian work on CRTs--I've learned a lot. But, more than once, I've had to remind myself he survived to post the videos.
If he ever starts doing livestreams, there should be an additional #suspense hashtag in the description--but that's mostly my arthritis and shaky hands talking.
ut-oh, another Dr Frankenstein head transplant video - ah, is a bit early for Halloween with a macabre theme, though
Now we need to see what it will look like with Amber!
Thirty years ago, I was adding ram to an SE30, when I bumped the crt board and cracked the neck of the CRT. Newbie mistake. I was not happy.
Very cool mod!! The thing looks very nice with the green screen!!
Honestly I think the classic Mac’s would have benefited from using Green Phosphor CRT’s. Would have made em even more iconic like the Original IBM series.
I understand the CRT pureness argument but I think I'd prefer an LCD swap. After all, it's not like people are going to be worrying about lag and refresh rates for Mac software unlike say with the games library of the Mac's 16-bit platform contemporaries...both of whose names also start with the letter "A". Plus, it would free up a lot of space in the case for various other upgrades plus cooling.
Maybe the Green/Amber screens seem easier because of the lack of blue?
Actually the biggest determiner to me is the shade of Amber/Green, I prefer the deeper shades.
That whiteness of Classic Mac is painful, so green CRT seems like an improvement. Amiga was really better when it comes to video output and the OS. Workbench 1.x had 4 color palette that could be easily customized and that really made a difference.
The power of the command line commands green or amber. Green is 70's power computing, amber is 80's computing power.
The space in front of the CRT would allow putting some infra-red touch-screen stuff maybe… :D
Now, to find one to install a color CRT if you can find one. Love your videos, They give me inspiration. I have a project that I would love to do; Build a modern PC, Running at no slower than 2 GHz, have it boot from an SSD, no smaller than 3TB, abd see what happens. I would not have any critical software on there, but for fun, wonder what would happen, I probably wouldn't hook it up to the internet, citing concerns for viruses and malware...probablu would make an awesome word processor
What a CRT witchcraft! Magnets? No way. How little I knew :D
Glad to see those Jessenator standoffs came in useful :)
Amazing mod! - Simple and effective - For me ambar it's more comfortable for long time working.
I have a Macintosh Plus in my collection with green CRT. I bought it around 10 years ago at local market. Still not sure why the former owner did that mod. Maybe the original tube was broken and they only had green CRT replacement back then.
Nothing wrong with playing around with your Mac. One thing though… Amber needs more love.
I'd love a green monitor. Wish I'd bought one when they had them on offer.
Closest I came to what you did here though was fit a green LED into my Commodore 64 (and an aftermarket modulator) .. I have changed CRTs before but only like for like. Also had a belt off one I thought I'd discharged! 3-inch spark .. it REALLY hurt.
This all good, especially if it can get some use out of life-filled GREEN or AMBER CRTs.
All you need is a small tube of the right length to create the space for the screw.
Nice swap.
"Why would anyone want to swap this CRT? ...Well for me it's really no reason, it's just because I can and it's kinda fun"
Yup, that's why we're all here 🙂
That green screen is ready for Halloween.
I think it's your computer and you should do what you want to with it. I've done similar things to make what I had work. Functional is way better than broken any day of the year.
It’s the “Sour Apple” Macintosh Classic.
A fun project could be to do an e-ink paperwhite display and see if you could reorient the electronics inside and 3D print a new back of the case to make a Mac that looked normal from the front but was thin viewed side-on.
Has e-ink gotten any better? I would think the refresh rate of e-ink displays would be abysmal when trying to do anything on an actual computer, even an older slower one like this.
@@brianv2871 You can get a tablet called an Onyx Boox Max 3 with an HDMI input allowing it to be used as a monitor. Refresh no good for a game but it's able to make local changes fast enough to track a pen tip while sketching for instance.
Should be useable for DTP and office apps.
Actually, I've always liked the Mac's white/blue grey screen. Don't like the green screen as much.
They were less fun to pull 8 hours on in 1985 than green or amber. YMMV, but I found them tiring, with occasional thunderous migraines.
I prefer the white too. But still liked the project.