Pierre Elliott Trudeau and the 6 Classes of Canadian Citizen
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2020
- Prime Minister Trudeau had a theory about six different types of Canadian citizenship. Was he right? Comparing individual freedoms to collective rights.
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This is one of the most honest commentaries I have ever heard about Canada.
@Laker Madness Did you know that Canada has more privately owned firearms than the United States? Did you know that Europe sees Canadian gun laws as being only better than the United States? Did you know that the original British plan for Canada was to install an aristocracy that would own everything and citizens would lease everything from them?
In the United States, Eminent Domain, I think that is the law, means that the government can, basically, take whatever you have if it is in the "public interest." The statute is usually used to let businesses run roughshod over individual rights?
If you do not know the facts, why would you comment?
@@fsirett interesting comment. Too bad it's in the wrong thread :D
@@urluberlu2777 You're right! My bad!
@@fsirett Canada does not have more guns than America in anyway although its more than people expect
@@abdulrahmanchalya7873 Yes, no way 38 million people have more guns than 326 million people
Canadians have a bad habit of looking South at The USA and see their hypocricy, but rarely look at ourselves and apply the same scrutiny.
Americans have a bad habit of looking north and envying Canada but not actually doing anything and decide to think that our nation is screwed
@@connorjohnson6738Sad to hear that. Two great nations falling apart.
@@connorjohnson6738 we don't envy you.
@@peytongorshavitzki6933 I am American
I think that is largely true sectorally, but not as a general rule. Since I seem to be on a rant about the press, both countries, and most others, have been infiltrated by some press outlets who are not in the business of
informing. Canadians have more of a habit of self reflection and criticism as a nation, but that has allowed for some truly reprehensible representations in order to persuade the citizens to some very detrimental points of view.
If you are in the business of manipulating opinion but have no compelling arguments, the first rule is to blame someone. That often means internationally first and then focus on some bugaboo population within the country. If you can get that wedge in you can begin to feed in false information with your embedded message and it will stick. I have seen this tried in many countries, and there is always a sector that believes it.
What you say is true for a misled sector, and it is not just nationally. I keep on hearing Canadians talking about how their province or region is hard done by in ways that make no sense when exposed to the glaring light of logical and factual analysis, but they are often ingrained in many people from those places and it is often by politicians who should rise to a much higher calling. Why do something positive that may or may not work when you can simply blame the problem on someone else , ignore the problem and hope it will just go away. I can think of a great many politicians I saw in Canada, as well as other places that try just that.
If they do nothing but blame someone else they can mock the opposition as being naive about the real situation with whomsoever your oppressor of the day happens to be, and, with any luck, people will vote for the status quo and you need do nothing.
If you can convince enough Canadian voters that the US is what the opposition is aspiring to and that its influence can and will destroy the Canadian "paradise" you can get a lot of free votes. It is often tried, and, I suspect, you can name a few current politicians who are using that very agenda.
There are three classes of Canadians:
- Those who speak French
- Those who speak English
- Those who say "a boot" rather than "about"
We call those who say, "a boot", rather than, "about", the Untouchables.
Well it's no different in Europe, every single neighbour of France has had some sort of dislike. I would imagine French speaking settlers have had the same impact in Quebec. Still who were the first pioneer settlers of Canada if not the French and quite a number of French Basques
I see TWO Classes of Canadians.. You're either FRENCH OR You're NOT.. That's what Canada is ALL "a boot".. Thanks for Bringing that UP..
In 23 years of living in Canada, I have never encountered one who actually said "a boot" in real life. Is this a regional thing?
too funny - I'm going to send this a-roond...
I’m a Nova Scotian- my grandfather used the term “Upper Canadians” whenever he’d complain about Ontarians acting holier-than-thou toward Atlantic Canadians. Point being, I think a disconnect between Canadians and what it means to be “Canadian” has always existed. (Side note, really happy to be finding Canadian socio-political videos that are actually made by Canadians who can recognize we’re a nation with real issues)
Technically Upper Canada was the name for Ontario because it was upstream compared to the Atlantic provinces. But I've seen so many Canadians who forget about us. It's all Ontario, Quebec, and Alberta, in terms of what places are often talked about. Especially with language. There are Gaelic signs here, there's a different French adjacent Acadian language, and yet a lot of jobs still ask for English and French, and if anyone wants to work in Quebec, they need to be bilingual in most cases. It's a weird situation with so many different levels. Personally, I find disability rights are lacking and many of us have to fight for access to healthcare and doctors who don't just say to take painkillers and be on your way. Economically speaking I'd be considered higher up due to my family and fact I am going to university, but my disability and difficulty getting accommodations is a whole other layer to look at. And Nova Scotia's charter of human rights is very confusing.
Ontario has Ottawa AND Toronto that's why those are two main business social and elective hubs of the country the provincial and countrys capitals in the same province they have that attitude due to reputation. It's like if New York City AND Washington were both in the same State.
@@AnnaLVajda true.... but it takes an hour less to drive from NYC to DC than it takes from Ottawa to Toronto.... and the Northeast (New England and the Mid Atlantic states/ DC) are pretty much the same culturally.
@@AnnaLVajda so my point is I just think Ontario is the juggernaut of Canada cus of the Golden Horseshoe and huge population centered on Toronto. NYC is on a level beyond above any city in the Western Hemisphere, so its nots really fair to compare the 2... At the same time you guys have distinct cultural and social differences, and issues.. Anyway, I can't wait till I can visit up North again!!
I hate when the rest of Canada gets pissed because Ontario takes priority in some things. Ontario has a third of the population deal with it
This is a really interesting concept that I have never heard before
@Mike Hurcum interesting. I like Shute. must look for it. thanks!
In Lebanon the President has to be Maronite (Christian), Prime Minister Sunni (Muslim) and speaker of the house Shia (Muslim).
Similar thing in Iraq 🇮🇶
Laws like these just increase the hatred and racism between the citizens.
When the US President is democrat and the house is republican or vice versa, someone is always getting blamed and it becomes a conspiracy and I’m talking way before trump
Having (minority) protections and oversight is much more sustainable than "mutual assured destruction" of classes.
In Singapore, the Presidents have to alternate between being ethnically Chinese, Malay and Indian (supposedly this was to increase diversity but really it was just to prevent a AP exec opponent of the ruling regime from being eligible from being elected President)
@@bomenorange. ETHNOSTATE TIME
Animal Farm by George Orwell. “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
Loved that cartoon movie, I was six the first time I saw it and it scared the shit out of me, we had Dobermans on our farm and I never looked at the the same 🤣 spot on with the quote my friend 👊
@Joe Ang 1984 and Animal Farm are actual good books, explaining in an very different way of doing it the culture and ideals of the tiranny, and more speciically, stalinism.
@Joe Ang Also Orwell ratted out his comrades to MI6
I mean yeah; but also, it's hard to look at Canada's pathetic, ineffective, "feel-good", racially/lingually subjective social-wellness propaganda, and extrapolate results similar to those in the early USSR.
Nan, I don’t have more money because I am more equal, I am as equal but had money so I keep it. It’s equal, you keep your old disgu... I mean beautiful house.
When I was watching the part where tribes block the pipeline I thought it was terrible, collective rights are terrible. When you talked about how Quebec banned people from wearing religious hats I thought this is entirely fair thing to do. 5 seconds later I realized my internal hypocrisy and now I have some reconciliation to do. Few lessons in my life have brought me this level of self consciousness, so here is a big thank you from your new subscriber.
Wow what an honest thing to admit! But to be fair, ALL humans are like this. Part of our reptilian brain causes us to group people into Us vs. Them! We often do it without trying or even realizing it. There is a drive to succeed in life, so any group that we perceive we belong to we will be biased to see them have privileges and advantages! Everyone does it, especially those who loudly proclaim that they dont! LOL
How could you support building a pipeline through indigenous lands and Quebec violating religious freedom wtf
@@sebastianhersey1401 its not that simple
@@sebastianhersey1401 Honestly, idk why that's my stance. It's just natural to me. Here's my (flawed) reasoning: 1. Government is you employer, and you wear what employers tell you to because it's a job. 2. Pipelines are like roads, critical infrastructure, a functional government should have power to do a greater good at a lesser cost of someone's property, provided they compensate.
But apparently my reasoning were too simple because they lead to irreconcilable difficulties pointed out by this video lol
@@sebastianhersey1401 Racism
As an Aboriginal Canadian I enjoyed your video history lesson. Instant subscriber. Thank you.
I'm honestly curious, why did you feel the need to preface your comment with your ethnicity and nationality?
@@ronsutton4853 If this was a video about puppies, it’d make no sense for a person to bring up their nationality. This isn’t a video about puppies, though, is it?
@@ronsutton4853 It shows diversity within the audience, especially when this video covers that group of people. Not that hard to understand...
What nation are you from? What cultural region? I'm kinda curious
J.J is recording in a diffrent angle. the world has fallen into anarchy
And he's using chair!
I didn’t notice that lol
Colin Ashe NOOOO
@@theirperfectbrother4156 0o0 noooooo
We’re not his friends anymore?!!!
I’m a human rights junkie, and this video has helped me to better understand flaws in our system, therefore solutions too. I watched it a few months ago and it’s really stuck with me. Thanks for your hardwork. Much appreciated!!!
You might like the channel Alfsvoid
We don't have absolute freedoms under the charter of rights and freedoms. In the first paragraph it grants the government the power to limit these freedoms if they can be demonstrably justified to be limited.
Rights aren't rights if they can be taken away. They're privileges lol.
I guess if you are all about human rights you certainly don't vote for Canada's dictator
Human rights don't exist.
there is only one solution to human rights. radical almost anarchist individual freedom. problem is that its messy. people want order. but more order more power. more power more abuse. freedom is messy. its gross and hard. its amazing and all i want.
I've experienced 80 years of the evolution & definition of Canadian rights. We are not perfect but gradually we pick up a grain of truth here & a grain of freedom there. I think I'm in group 6 but to me that is so much better than not being a Canadian. One old man's thoughts. Stay safe & thanks Brian 81
I know I'm in group 6, but I wholeheartedly agree with your statement.
Hopefully we can move to a future for my children where all Canadians have equal treatment and rights, but like anything it takes time and trial and error
@@DSHPerotecH You two are speaking in english... Did you watch the video...?
As a Canadian who lives in Canada but is completely consumed by US politics, thank you for making such an interesting video about our issues at home. A lot of this isn't discussed often enough.
I am a Canadian who has not lived in Canada for some time. If you read the better newspapers, online if nothing else, you will see all of the issues are very much discussed and debated. They are even mentioned in much of the European press, but the American press has never given much of a nod to Canadian issues. I keep an eye on American politics myself and that takes up about thirty minutes of my day. The rest is just noise. I do not need to know the details of Pennsylvania or North Carolina to know all I need. I do not need to read or hear the entirety of a Trump speech to know everything of meaning that he said.
It is clear that there are press organisations in the US that are not making the slightest attempt at being objective and fill their outlets with bare faced prejudice. Fortunately, I do not get the political advertising.
History tells us much and one of the things it shouts as loudly as anything is an uninformed public is not going to make very good decisions and politicians and news outlets that are not in the business of informing completely and clearly are not working for the good of the country or its citizens.
@dragonsder I find it kinda confusing too, but I think it has to do with how much our politics effect them, and how much more "mild" their issues are.
@dragonsder Cuz its something new. New names, circumstances, parties, their ideologies, ect.
@dragonsder Our socioeconomic systems are tied together, even though they are very different at the core... If anyone is investing in the markets of north america, they are watching to see what happens in the states first, as they can drag us down with them if all things go bust. So, people will keep track of state side news to protect their eggs...
@@go0b3rtron7
The socioeconomic systems of Canada and the US are basically the same.
The Canadian Supreme Court looks like a collection of mall Santas.
Goes well with the mention of ''Canada Clause''
That's just their side gig.
We know 😂
Drunk small santas
And the US supreme court looks like a morgue
As a conservative myself, it is eye opening to hear how Mulroney was more left wing and Pierre Trudeau was more conservative in this debate
I think the need for Conservative politicians in Canada to overcome the inherent prejudice that is in the east with regards to their ideas of what "conservatives" are is immense. It is also reinforced by the media and so the conservative party, at times, has actually had to have more left-leaning platforms than the Liberals themselves in order to show that the inherent prejudice is not real but perceived. There are many videos of this phenomenon coming from down south. Some of the #walkaway movement is based on people shedding this preconceived notion that Conservatives are draconian oppressors that care only about money and looking at them objectively and the policies objectively without the media's bias "explanation". The result is walking away from left-leaning politics because they believed the only option was the left-leaning party because to choose the right-leaning party was akin to siding with neanderthals (note hyperbole). I think that is what is happening in Quebec in a different way, there it is less about options and more about conservatives having to go overboard in order to get anything close to a vote there. If they are mad at the Liberals, then they vote Bloq. If the Bloq isn't floating their boat then the NDP gets the vote. But the conservatives are not an option unless they are promising to give away 3/4's of the wealth of Canada to them.
@@TylerWall It’s not that people are east don’t understand conservatism it’s that conservatism in Western Canada is very different than it is in the rest of the country. Conservatism on the prairies is all about the individual while conservatism is more pluralistic in the rest of the country. It’s not that those in the east don’t understand conservatism it’s that they practice a completely different style of it.
yes but mulroney lied twice about the gst......which we still suffer with
Politics is more than black and white
@@me-st7pj Cretien said he would Axe the tax ..that didn't happen
As a Canadian, I found all the "aboot"s pretty jarring
And by the way, Trudeau didn't just come up with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the basis of it came from 1960 Canadian Bill of Rights and it was incorporated into the 1982 Canadian Constitution as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. JJ McCullough's knowledge of Canadian history and law (and evidently his Canadian mode of speaking) seems completely limited to the issue that he wants to espouse on.
as a canadian this is the first time i have heard that LOL!!!! sounds pretty funny..
It's cringy for sure.
I do not know where in hell this guy is from, but in my 69 years living in Canada I have never ever heard a fellow Canadian talk that way.....
@@TheWolfsnack he’s from British Columbia, I think he said somewhere that he grew up in Vancouver
I'm an American and I watch your videos just for the sake of learning about the outside world and I genuinely hope your proud of that.
Keep making the great content you make.
You're a rarity in that respect. I don't know a single Canadian who has been to the States who doesn't have at least one "dumb American" story. Good on you for learning about your neighbour to the north.
Rognik Dumb people and smart people can be found in every country. You’re generalizing.
"I genuinely hope you're* proud of that."
I was almost proud.
@@christophercook723 fact
Me too. If it were not for JJ, we wouldn't know what's going on with our neighbor to the North. lol
This was a really meaty interesting video :)
We need more comments like this
JJ brings a nice break from the 10 minute videos about nothing that plague this site.
R E A L L Y M E A T Y V I D E O
Succulent, some might say.
Savory, with replay value and an invitation to reflect.
As a french speaking black Quebecer living in Montreal, this video was really interesting, thanks
This really helped me better understand the recent fisheries conflict in Nova Scotia, where Indigenous fishermen were allowed to follow completely different rules than other fisherman. It's been very hard for me to find good objective news articles on the topic, but I'm glad to get this background on some of the things at play.
I'm from a twin island state in the Caribbean called Antigua and Barbuda. 95% of people live on Antigua whereas Barbuda has a population of just over 1500. They have a very unique legal framework where they own land in common. Land cannot legally be bought or sold. Instead every Barbudan has the right to request and use up to three plots of land for domestic, commercial and agricultural use. This means that a lot of Barbudans regardless of how much money they have 'own' huge plots of land that would be unthinkable in Antigua. This right extends to the children of Barbudan, even those born outside of Barbuda. It however does not apply to Antiguans who are barred from taking part in the collective ownership of land, even if they marry a Barbudan. They will forever be dependant on their spouse (although no one really wants to go there, most people see Barbudans as being kind of backwards, even Barbudans who grow up in Antigua).
Barbuda also enjoys a lot more government aid than they pay in taxes because, obviously, a system like this nukes foreign investment. Other than fishing and one hotel there is not a lot going on over there. After hurricane Irma destroyed all the infrastructure the current Prime Minister has been very adamant about repealing the law to kickstart the economy and let them pay for redevelopment themselves, but the Barbuda council (their local government) is against this and there are a lot of claims of discrimination and oppression against Barbuda. The Prime Minister's stance is that Barbudans are spoiled and entitled and want to live on the back of the government. Since most Antiguans have never actually been to Barbuda there isn't a whole lot of sympathy, but since it's not something people think or care about no one really has much of an opinion on it anyways.
It's all in all a very weird situation.
Thank you for that political analysis! I love hearing about the politics of other nations.
Incidentally, I remember Antigua and Barbuda coming up in my recent study of capitals of the world. St. John's. Do you know if that city is named after St. John the Baptist or St. John the Apostle?
@@BradyPostma I have no idea. I do know that it's called Antigua after the Santa Maria de la Antigua cathedral in Seville and Barbuda because the island looks like a beard
Oh look, a fellow Caribbean person.
I'm from another twin-island state: Trinidad and Tobago.
As for collective rights, the government here has done a great deal to ensure that they are no de jure group rights.
The closest to group rights is that Tobago has a devolved government to run the island while Trinidad has directly under the government's control. But to be fair, the devolved government is pretty much the only attention Tobago ever receives from any the government.
Due to the size difference between Tobago and Trinidad, most people just forget Tobago exists.
@@declannewton2556
Years ago, a friend went to Trinidad & Tobago to visit friends there and participated with them in one of the carnival groups in a parade, I noticed from photographs taken that there were people of every Trinidadian ethnic group in the parade: East Indians, Asians, blacks, people who looked Middle Eastern and so on. It looked like relations amongst them were fairly good. Is that the case? The one Trinidadian whom I knew was well-educated and from a good family, and had friends from Trinidadians of many origins, but they were all well-educated and at least middle-class or better, too.
Miles
This was quite an informatice comment, and I learnt something new today of which I had never heard before. Thanks.
Everyone describes Canada as this perfect place.. you are the first person that I hear talking about Canada critically, and from what you say seems to me there is a lot to be critical about..
I seriously hope some Canadian RUclipsr takes your call and starts a conversation
please keep this type of videos coming!
His main beef is with Quebec and french speakers.
@kshamwhizzle Yeah because Denmark is some Socialist wonderland 😂😂😂😂😂
No one knows about dark side of Canada. From the debt to economic difficulties to declining population to real estate and list goes on.
@Boy Freitag True
No one has described us as a perfect state. We have our problems but not as monumental as the yanks. Although we do have our Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz in the fool Polivare....a buffoon and a stone in the shoe of progress!
I'm a Mexican fixated on american politics that suddenly has taken an interest in Canadian political affairs thanks to this channel.
I can just imagine the implementation of this law within the USA and the effects it would’ve had on the Civil Rights movement in the 50s and 60s when white southerners declared that the Jim Crow laws protected the southern lifestyle and culture of the south and that trying to change it was against their unique cultural identity within the United States. I do wonder though, how will these laws affect Canada when more people immigrate to Canada and become more prevalent over time such as Latinos or Indians, will these laws protect their collective rights if they become more prevalent, they can’t possibly keep creating separate but equal Canada if I understands this correctly?
Don't say Canadian issues aren't interesing. I'm sure I'm not the only one who really enjoy these because I get to learn about something I'm not very familiar with. This one made me think about my own opinions, which I don't get as much these days as I used to.
As Canadians, we should all be aware of our history...how we ended up where we are if we don't vote....
As an outsider, I certainly find Canadian issues interesting. But I'm a nerd like that, and find other cultures fascinating in general.
Watching Canadian media, I noticed that an inordinate amount of attention is paid to US politics. And I find it odd, why do Canadians care so much about a foreign country? This makes me think Canadians are selling themselves short. I've read about Canadian history and I liked it more than that of the US. I find it funny how Americans are proud of historical events that were non-achievements in other parts of the world. Oh, wow, they freed the slaves... yeah... among the last countries to do so and after a civil war. Other countries simply passed laws and that was it. No Jim Crow, no segregation, no KKK... They're usually proud of all sort of racial/gender firsts... Russia had a black general about 200 years before the US did: Abram Petrovich Gannibal. The Japanese had a black samurai: Yasuke in the early 1600s. But they present these as some amazing firsts, when in fact the world was likely already doing that before.
Octavian Popescu we are sort of in a unique situation in that we share a continent with only two other countries. With the USA we have a common language, common inherited European cultural framework, and we share the largest undefended border in the world.
It’s like we’re siblings. We may not always see eye to eye, and while we have our own bedrooms, we’re living in the same house.
Jim Richardson oh I didn’t realize there were 36 countries in North America. Thanks for the facts.
Canada may be at the forefront of testing the concept that everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others. :-)
Make sure it includes a 2nd amendment
Animal Farm is about the current US. Canada has equality problems...nothing like the US.
One Samuel Colt long ago said he made all men equal
Mike Purdue the loudest 2a cheerleaders are silent on Trump’s gestapICE arresting protesters. Shocker
@@chadsimmons4496 you spelled rioters wrong m8
I find the idea that P.E.T thought of himself as some civil libertarian to be the funniest thing this country's political culture has ever produced
As an intellectual in a Quebec University, he was self-described as politically fascist.
Hey! I'm bilingual from Quebec... Guess I should drop everything and work to take over the country
Im English from Alberta. I think your class has.
trudeau is already trying that
Oooooh Tabernacle! My Boiii bout to rage, son!
The thing about building a nation with many different groups is that there's the challenge of uniting them all or trying to find common ground, a central government should offer equal rights and services to all these groups WHILE preserving their rights to a certain degree of autonomy inside their communities. However, the more diverse the nation, the more difficult this is. You cannot have equal and diverse representation in a nation that naturally has bigger and more established groups, that's just a fact, you can't just force diversity in these situations. What can be done is ensure that the minorities find the adequate ambient to develop and find the opportunities to grow.
A diverse nation isn't a paradise, is a continuous challenge and can result in serious social conflicts if it's not properly led and administered.
Very interesting video, JJ. Greetings from Peru.
Great comment
That's a great neutral analysis.
For example, the French university of Toronto is a old promise for the franco-Ontarian, Ontario is the second french speaking province of Canada and it has a fair amounts of villages and towns speaking mostly french in Northern and Eastern Ontario. They are in Ontario, since hundred of year, they have a distinct accent from Quebecers and they regard Toronto as their capital. Which it is not Quebec city, nor Montreal!
They were really pissed off when the conservative government there, decided to scrap the project, because the Ontarian government during the XIXth century, blocked every attend for the french speaking community there to develop and fund a french speaking education system, making it illegal during a long time to teach in French. JJ maybe didn't realize it, but it created a National Unity crisis! Because it nourish the speeches from nationalist and independentist in Quebec.
It is like a big finger to the french speaking people of Canada. So at the end after protests, the resignation of the only french speaking MP of the conservative government in Toronto. The federal government decided to finance the project in hope that it could create a french speaking district in Toronto and to appease the francophones, so that they don't feel like Canada is not their country as well. Montreal has already many English speaking neighbourhoods and Toronto which is now the economic capital of Canada has no French speaking neighbourhoods.
So Toronto as the economic center of Canada alienate every quebecers that needs to go there to make business. It is like if they travel to another country.
So your comment just explain the how and why the Canadian government push throw for the creation of that french-ontarian University.
This can also be seen with the United States which is an assymetrical federation where certain Indian tribes have distinct rights from other Americans, while unrecognised Indian tribes do not have any such rights. On one hand recognising more tribes would both be expensive and expand the inequality, but on the other hand not expanding the registry also gives some aboriginal groups more rights than others.
@@sammexp I'm a Franco-Ontarian from the north and calling Toronto my capital is honestly an insult. The problem with Toronto is that they like to siphon off the resources and money from the north and reinvest it into their cities where they have the most seats. My city can hardly afford to build a road, while Toronto spends billions on the TTC. A dirty, poorly maintained bus passes every two hours where I live, so I lose my carbon tax rebate. Meanwhile Torontonians complain that the tram that passes every 15 minutes isn't enough. There's rampant drug abuse, homelessness, mental illness, and violence in my city, yet nothing is being done about it because the city doesn't have the budget and the officials are corrupt. The neglect of the north will only stop if the north and south separate, but the problem is that legalizing torture would be easier than separating Ontario into two provinces.
I do also recognize that a lot of northern municipal governments are corrupt, and something needs to be done about that too. But honestly, that might be a product of lack of funding.
@@pritsky4219 I believe that Northern Ontario independence make sense. For example a city like Kenora, why is it in Ontario? It is so close from Winnipeg and at a 2 days drive from Toronto.
im not sure jreg is properly categorized as a "commentator"
He’s something alright
@@JJMcCullough sexy ;)
he’s a, uhhhh
I don’t know
@@adamtrott78 a voice.
Perhaps would be more aptly described as a satirist
I just discovered your channel and I'm relieved to finally hear a voice seems to talk of the issues I actually see in this country. That doesn't necessarily fall within the far right conservatism side of the spectrum, but also not in the annoyingly naïve "progressive" and/or left end of the spectrum. Thank you J.J. McCullough for this content!
I'm literally binge watching all your videos omg , these are so awesome and so insightful thank you!
Same
thank you for making this video. I have always felt that there was a problem with the way our system operated. I couldn't really put it into a comprehensive thought and connect all the loose threads running around in the back of my head.
this video does an amazing job revealing some of the hypocrisy of our governing system and at the same time shows the history leading up to the creation of these problems.
PLEASE NEVER TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN!!!
The whole idea of dividing people into classes in constitutional level, encourages people in racist behaviour and ruins the society
Tough call. Would indigenous people be treated better if we remove their status? If the US dropped affirmative action and a lot more Asians got into elite school and high-demand programs, would there be less racism?
caroline10081 Special rules and different treatment for people based on their skin colour is racism. You shouldn't try to fight racism with racism.
@@musicjeffyoung Racism is demeaning another human being because of their race. Policies that try to even the playing field or help an oppressed class is not racism.
caroline10081 How is the playing field even for the person who has the higher marks to get into school and yet they lose the spot because they have the wrong skin colour?. That is called racism.
@@caroline10081 to even the Feild you have to demean someone
Very interesting looking at this from another complicated country - South Africa. We solve the language issue by having 11 official languages. In practice English dominated. Afrikaans is becoming marginalized having enjoyed full official status before. Strange when English is the home language of a minority of us! We have a very liberal constitution but a very unequal society. We look to Canada as a free country with good health care. What your video shows is that we always have to fight for freedom - even in a free country.
collective rights in Norway:
the sami people are the only recognized indigenous people in Norway. They have their own parliament that receives money from the government to promote and preserve sami language and culture, the sami and norwegian languages have equal standing, there is also a constitutional amendment about preserving sami culture, they have rights to land and natural resources and some special rights related to reindeer herding.
It's not often I find myself yelling and clapping in approval at a youtube video, but here we are
Picturing this has made me laugh a great deal, thank you
11:31 "The protest was lead by the chiefs", in fact, by the ancestral matriarchal chiefs... because, indeed, there are TWO governments, the ancestral one and the ... elected ones. Ottawa generally works with the later while the first ones battle for recognition and power. It is a power struggle among some Indian communities first of all things.
That's not how it works. According to the ruling from the Delgamuukw v British Columbia case in 1997, the elected chiefs operate within the framework of the Indian Act and only have jurisdiction over the reserve. The hereditary chiefs (meaning they operate under hereditary laws of the Wet'suwet'en) have jurisdiction over the much larger traditional territory of the Wet'suwet'en. What CGL did was strong-arm the elected chiefs into authorising a pipeline that went outside of their jurisdiction, which goes against the Delgamuukw v British Columbia ruling. I should also add that the hereditary chiefs suggested an alternative route for the pipeline which wouldn't have cost much more and wouldn't have endangered natural resources and cultural sites but CGL ignored them.
@@SharkanKuthoshqea Interesting, I wasn't aware of the strange structure.
If I understand well, it is a little bit as if Canada, say as the hereditary chiefs analogy, could have jurisdiction over parts outside its territory, such as of part of the USA territory?
Furthermore, second point, in my view, if "A" has jurisdiction over the domain "R", and if "B" has jurisdiction over a larger domain, "S" (where "S" includes "R"), then "A" is meaningless unless it is that "A" can over-rule "B" while in "R". ( I hope that I am not too much in the mathematical set-theory ). Am I right?
In both points, it "seems" to me that the hereditary chiefs where, either in a claim that they cannot enforce, either outside their jurisdiction while their claim was being over-ruled.
@@SharkanKuthoshqea Roll my eyes.
The current slate of media recognized hereditary chiefs consists of men, men who stripped all the women hereditary chiefs of their hereditary status because of their support for economic development via CGL. This group of men never attempted to participate in the process, until the final route was decided on. And the women hereditary chiefs still claim the titles now assumed by the men. The whole thing is a tangled mess, where my concern is people who are anti-pipeline (primarily non-indigenous Canadians) ignore democratic decisions because it doesn't suit their ideals.
This Torontonian came to work on oil rigs, and what I saw was that this industry (for better or worse) is the best tool for many Canadians, and Particulary Indigenous Canadians have to enter the middle class. It was an eye opener for sure.
For example, Syncrude has 10% of Indigenous workforce making well over a median income of $100k. Syncrude employs over 5000 people, and no non-fossil Fuel company in Canada matches this commitment to inclusion as Syncrude. As well, Syncrude is the leading company, like many Oil and Gas companies in Canada to employ indigenous owned businesses.
My best friend who is Metis, now has full time work in Burnaby constructing the new Energy liquid terminal. As he tries to make friends in the Greater Vancouver area, he is astounded at the non indigenous people telling him he is a sell out.
Sorry for the rant, but to say "Strong Arm", is simply not true.
And to any Americans reading this, please note, that by no means perfect, the Canadian Oil and Gas industry is the progressive leader with Indigenous inclusion in the Canadian workplace.
What you are saying is that the ancestral matriarchal chiefs derived their supreme executive power from the equivalent of a farcical aquatic ceremony while the elected chiefs derived their supreme executive power from a mandate of the Wet'suwet'en masses. Both types of chiefs seem to exhibit the violence inherent in the system!
'Anglos caused most of the world's problems' (David Cameron, British Prime Minister, 2010-2016).
Anglo caused centuries-long notorious global -
- Slavery,
- Colonialism,
- Colonization,
- World War I,
- World War II, and the list goes on.
Besides, among the five main Anglo nations; Britain, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, all but Britain is looted from others.
Speaking of Canada, how come Canada, a most harmonious nation with a mere 37 million population, is the largest trading partner of the USA, which has 340 millions?
Main exports of Canada, the second largest land nation on earth, are land-based natural mineral resources. Less than half a million indigenous Native Canadian people remain the most marginalized and poorest racial and ethnic group in their own beloved motherland.
Web site with 4 million views says it all at, blog.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1795128
I have always believed that the viability of a collective group is something that should never be enshrined in a legal framework but instead is something that should be fostered and developed by the collective itself. Artificially enforcing collective rights through a legal framework can only lead to inequalities when those collectives are no longer as viable in the future.
Plus, legal frameworks should primarily be concerned with protecting individual rights against the collective.
it's a deliberate misdirection in a country (like Canada, Japan and pretty much all of Europe now) where the Federal gov has for all intents and purpose veto power over the provinces' choice of how they would like to rule their constituency, ie states (provinces) have no power.
As a linguistic minority, this an interesting take. On the one hand, you could easily argue that you need special provisions to protect and ensure
That those minorities can persist. My dad used to say “a society’s quality is judged by how they treat their minorities”. The danger of having no provisions is that we have seen innumerable examples of a majority using their power to accelerate the “loss of viability of the collectives” as you put it.
That being said I am not sure that I am correct in this position. I think you bring up a great point and I do like your argument about the necessity for the collective itself to be strong enough to sustain and maintain itself. Thanks for the comment
@@matviko You have to place the fundamental right of the individual before the right of the democracy or the collective. I've seen far too many "minority collectives" silence their "own's" voices if they ever speak in opposition of the will of the collective fundamentally denying said oppositions voice and even humanity.
Should we abolish the nation state then?
@@FOLIPE Nation states have a fundamental purpose even within a free society. The only thing governments are somewhat good at is the implementation of force, however, this is necessary to maintain sovereignty of the individual otherwise you have mob rule or foreign powers that would deny said sovereignty necessary for a free people.
One of my professors studied in Canada in the '90s. Based on his experience as a Black African in Canada he decided to never enter the country again.
Amazing how Trudeau is the “right-winger” and Mulroney is the “left-winger” from the US perspective in the Charlottetown debate.
drmadjdsadjadi to be fair Mulroney basically nuked the Conservative party for supporting this
J.J. McCullough Yes, I am aware of that as well as he didn’t learn anything from his earlier fiasco, the Meech Lake Accord. I just did not realize that Trudeau was to what Americans would call the right of him in this respect.
I totally agree but I think it shows how politics ages, with more “right leaning” ideas being focused on a kind of middle class traditionalism and more “left leaning” ideas more fluid and (in my opinion) more abstract as a way to make everyone happy
@@hydrogen3266 That differs per country, but in those United States of America the Republicans are individualistic while the Democrats are collectivists, this allowed the Republicans to abolish slavery as they believe that the individual rights of slaves was more important than the collective rights of their owners, while they were poorly equipped to support the collective rights of the Blacks during the civil rights movement era.
@@JJMcCullough When Mulroney was the leader of the P.C.s his obvious left bias led to the creation of the Reform party to give real Conservatives/Libertarians a movement they could support, unfortunately the party seems to be regressing again and I see another schism coming...or the country breaking up...
JJ WHERE’S YOUR YOGA BALL??? is this the end of an era?😔
I miss the bouncing 😔
maybe he lent it to NakeyJakey
This feels like something a high school history teacher would show their class. Why am I watching this on my own time in my twenties?
Same reason all of us do. We're bored canadians.
I've always been about individual rights over collective rights. Collective rights lead to segregation and oppression in almost every scenario. The pandemic has really helped to show just how much that is the case.
The existance of countries is to protect collective rights.
@@gamermapper Abolish countries, simple as that. There's only trouble because of this so-called thing as "sovereignty". Democratic World Federalism all the way!
As someone on the left in Canada, I find the emergence of collective rights extremely concerning. I understand that minorities need to be represented fairly, but I think that can be accomplished quite well without the emergence of collective rights.
What do you think of aboriginal self government?
@@JJMcCullough The question of aboriginal self-government is really a question of sovereignty rather than enshrined rights. That is, would they be a separate governed state entity or a sub-state like a province or territory.
@@JJMcCullough I think the Indian Act (and thus the Band system) should be repealed, and each First Nation should be individually negotiated with to form treaties with Canada.
That would end up with each nation having different levels of control and self government, but it's a much more nuanced and individualized way of settling things. I don't think broad Federal legislation is the way to govern such diverse and different groups as the First Nations.
@@JJMcCullough This is an awesome video by the way, I wasn't even aware of that speech, and I'm a poli-sci student.
What if collective rights were just kept one tier below individual rights so we could have both?
Maple Reagan(Brian Mulroney) deserves a video on his own
Sominboy27 agreed
Didn’t he go to Reagan’s funeral (as well as GHW, current president GWB and Maggie Thatcher)
Reagan screwed over America with his racist laws, he was so bad people had to make up lies about him to make him look good.
Wasn’t Mulroney more responsible for shifting the Conservative party to the left? Whereas Reagan shifted the Republican Party to the right?
@@kappadarwin9476
What racist laws did he enact?
I’m part of the “official language minority”. French speaking from PEI. This video is really interesting to me because without special provisions and rights It is pretty clear that the French language minority in PEI (or other provinces) would not exist. It’s interesting because growing up, I’ve always felt like a second class citizen. For example needing to go to court to obtain French education rights. The frustration I’ve had with the argument that “you’re special and you don’t deserve any special treatment” is that it feels to me - on a visceral and fundamental level- that I’m being told that who I am doesn’t matter and that I should shut up and speak English and assimilate. This I think is the conundrum. Because I think the majority’s trap is that they say “ hey just be yourself, toughen up” and the trap foe the minority is the “victim card” and its hard therefore I need protections.
I don’t know if there’s a middle ground there. On the one hand, its extremely important to me to protect, preserve and promote my 250+ years of unique French Canadian/Acadian heritage. On the other hand, I am sympathetic to the main thesis that you’re stating - that this
Feels like the Orwellian quote of “all animals are equal and some are more equal than others.” So it’s super tricky because I think all of us have some
Sort of disadvantage that we have, or
Face some sort of discrimination. Now the REALLY tricky part that I’ve seen is how can you (or can you?) strike the balance between how do we fight discrimination (persons with certain disadvantages ) without creating more discrimination (special measures or provisions that are potentially themselves creating and cementing discrimination)
It’s a tricky balance and I’m not sure there is a right answer.
I guess if I had to finish with a banality that doesn’t really answer the question it would be that in an ideal world, we strive to all work that all our neighbors live the fullest and happiest lives according to their expression without discrimination so long as it doesn’t impact others.
But even then, I could pick apart that too! Anyway. Thanks to anyone who’s
Read this far! And please comment and add to this. I’m wanting to think this through some more.
And thanks JJ for the thought
Provoking video. We need these kinds of discussions in these times!
I disagree with Pierre Trudeau, because doesn't the concept of a country in itself exist because of collective rights? Canada for example exists, and is not part of the UK or the US, to protect the collective rights of Canadians. Canada exists so that the laws of Canada will be of specifically interests of the Canadian nation, its development and protection of its culture . So I think it's logical that nations, even when they're not independent, like the French Canadians or the indigenous tribes would want the same collective rights as independent states have.
"My ancestors have been here a long time, surrounded by English speakers" is not a valid reason to force the government to teach you in your preferred language, even though it seems very compassionate.
That's because compassion is overrated in politics, and a country can only be a country if it recognizes a single dominant culture.
@@RonJohn63 this is very much not true. Countries like Switzerland or the Netherlands exist fine with multiple cultures within them.
@@gamermapper Yea, but these are nations within one state. However, Canada is a multicultural pluralist society. Your concept only applies to nation states like China or Japan.
I think the question JJ gets at a lot in his videos about French speaking rights, is why is your language and culture more deserving of protection then any other minority language and culture spoken in PEI?
everyone in Canada has the right to clean drinking water and decent housing lets get this one right before we do any of the other stuff
Canada should do everything within its means within the realm of possibility to ensure clean drinking water and decent housing, but how does “making something a right” increase it’s availability and make it affordable? I don’t see how making something a right makes it more plentiful either.
The reserves are in Canada, but technically aren't Canada.
jj gets more powerful as his hair continues to expand 😤
super saiyan
Slovenia grants a lot of rights to Hungarian and Italian minorities who both have their representative in the parliament. The minorities in Slovenia have a lot of rights, arguably more than any of the Slovene minorities have in the neighboring countries, maybe because Slovenes were a minority in many states for almost our entire history and perhaps know the feeling of having little or no rights as a minority.
In Central and Eastern Europe, more particularly in former Austro-Hungarian territories, having some kind of minority national representation is relatively common. This is the embodiment of the concept of National Personal Autonomy as opposed to National Territorial Autonomy. National Personal Autonomy was a concept that the Austro-Hungarian elite came up with as an attempt to prevent the desires of national minorities from exploding Austro-Hungary into a cloud of smaller nation-States (which eventually happened during WWI). The idea was that people would be able to claim membership in a recognized national minority and these minorities would be given some form of limited government which jurisdiction would be limited only to the people that are members of that nation, rather than having jurisdiction over a territory. For example, they could implement different marriage laws, could create their own public school system, or levy some taxes to fund Churches or other cultural institutions and subsidize cultural activities.
I think giving the Hungarians after the Trianon more rights like in Serbia you can live there without Serbian because all streets are duo lingual and that's great because if a person can prove an Hungarian background you get the Hungarian citizenship
I am from Austria, from what I have heared in Carinthia / Kärnten / Koroška, Slovenian is an official language. So a lot of government services are supposed to be in Slovenian too I guess. At least in theory. Carinthia also had a right wing governor who made it a top priority to remove bilingual village signs from majority Slovenian villages. But I have no idea how the rights look like there excactly. What are the rights of the minorities in Slovenia?
Thank you very much, I am constantly trying to shoehorn in my grasp of Canada for my mother who is Canadian and this is an enormous help
Bruh. I love your videos. I've always loved political discussion, and it's awesome to learn so much about Canadian history. Thanks for your hard work.
JJ is the only reason I know any political stuff
He’s the only reason I know any Canadian political stuff just like certain British television shows and my U.K. friends are the only reason I know what’s happening politically in the U.K.
All anyone talks about here in the us is us stuff
Yes. Very true.
I would highly recommend you try to listen/read other sources. Not that J.J is bad or anything, simply that, and he never hid it, his vision/explanation is highly influence by his conservatives view.
Me too also legal egale
Thelondino I love legal Eagle
I only recognise two classes of citizens. :P
Subscribers of JJ
And future subscribers of JJ
Those future Subscribers are mental, why don't they just subscribe now.
We deserve special status for inventing Poutine. That's all I know
lol
Poutine is horrible!!! I'm Canadian--French Canadian! and ashamed that a French culture could embrace anything so banal and tasteless!
@@TalentedDilittante try it at Swiss chalet. Get it with chicken and chalet sauce instead of gravy. It's amazing and only $8!
GO HABS GO!!!
@@TalentedDilittante How dare you
Some thoughts popped into my head while listening to this:
Corporations have been given individual rights (and in some way, collective rights) that supersede both the individual and collective rights of human Canadians.
What if all provinces and territories, because of each one's distinct flavours, is declared "distinct and unique"? This would possibly eventually lead to a separation of each one from the unified creature known as Canada. Extreme separatism. A rolling back of time to a pre-unified state.
*Very interesting video* . Thank-you.
@Boy Freitag Your reply doesn't seem relevant to my comment. I think you replied to the wrong one...
Cheers.
@Boy Freitag How curious that you equate disliking a corporation having the same or more rights than human beings, and not wanting fragmenting the country, with tax avoidance. What a strange mind you have.
@Boy Freitag Oh dear, you seem to be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. You want me to elucidate? You want me to explain? I'm do apologise but it's getting late and I have better things to do than try to educate trolls with their typically thick skulls. Look, it was fun and all but I am going to go do something more interesting now. I'm sorry but it's over. Why don't you go off and educate yourself on why Canada is better together as a nation instead of separating into its various provinces and territories, and why only _people_ are people. When you've learned something, feel free to post a comment on here and _elucidate_ the concepts.
@Boy Freitag I really don't think you've got them intimidated, buddy. Looks like they managed to use elucidate correctly in a sentence and left the scene.
@Boy Freitag Elucidate does not intimidate, but it confuses when used by someone it is hard to believe understands its meaning.
I specifically remember learning about “collective rights” in junior high in Alberta, but definitely only the first 4 groups. It’s really messed up that Canada will always be ruled by bilinguals
It makes me feel like I should be an insane mom and force all of my kids to learn French... I’m learning german too, which is not as familiar or ‘useful’ in Canada but it’s the language I wanted to learn and so I am. It’s a ridiculous situation.
A sad situation. I suspect that it might be advantageous in a decade or two to learn Mandarin, collective rights or not.
It’s really messy that Canadians don’t bother to learn their country’s second language
lookforward2life Here in Alberta German would be a much more useful language to learn, I will generally meet 10 to 1 German and French speakers and that 1 French speaker will more often than not be a European or African immigrant themselves. I would also say Ukrainian is a more common second language here than French too.
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I am not quite sure how having leaders of Canada know the two national languages of Canada will actually being about doomsday.
Trudeau was only 1 of several "silent generation" leaders in the western world in the 1968-84 period who could be described as "authoritarian" . e.g. Sir Robert Muldoon in New Zealand , Joe Bjelke-Petersen in Australian , Joseph Manley in Jamaica ( known for his "heavy manners" policy ) , Richard Nixon etc . Their attitudes were forged in the poverty of the Depression and group loyalty & nationalism of World War 2. Their supporters admired their "strong leadership" as they resisted a world that was becoming more liberal individualistic ; where political power was beginning to transition to baby boomers .
Trudeau was a leader in the movement toward more individual freedom, so you have it backwards.
Wow he must be proud of his son spent his life gleefully ripping apart what his father built.
Excellent refresher of the facts that most forgot or didn’t know... great job with this🤝
To answer your question on similar situations from my own country, here's my view:
Speaking as a leftist Filipino, I can say our situation bears similarities to Canada's. The Philippines is composed of many different cultures and languages, and the concept of a single Filipino identity is still relatively new in the grand scale of history.
Since the 80s, the media and mass culture in general has shifted from using English to our national language, which is officially 'Filipino', but is really just a revised version of the Tagalog language - this means around 60% of Filipinos have to learn a second language. While multilingualism has always been common in the Philippines and almost all Filipinos do understand basic Tagalog, those 60% still find that they are treated unfairly by having to learn another language. In some regions local authorities have passed ordinances or encourage regionalistic acts that violate national law, like singing the national anthem in the local language instead of Tagalog, simply because they feel more loyal towards their region and ethnicity, whom they share a common heritage and culture compared to other Filipinos.
This regionalism has always plagued our country and is still reflected in our political divides. Rodrigo Duterte won the presidency on the promise of switching the Philippines to a federal country and giving each ethnicity local autonomy. Many Filipinos, including me, support that cause. But many also fear, much like you, JJ, that "collective rights" triumph over "individual rights", and regionalism will be the death of our nation. I can see parallels between my country's situation and yours.
While I am still a believer of the rights of my fellow countrymen to uphold their own unique identities (after all, diversity is what makes us stand out), this video reminded me of the horrible dangers of prioritizing collectivity over individuality. Though I'm from a different side of the political spectrum, I agree in that regard. And I can only hope that both our countries will be united through liberal, individual freedoms.
I can assure u that diversity does not make u stand out nor is it a strength in anyway (the strength is unity fyi) what makes u stand out as the Philippines is in fact pinoy lol
Wait that looks a bit like italian history.
Collective rights might sound like unity with equal rights to all, but that is a lie! Just pull the mask off and you find it is really a 'divide and conquer' disguise. The world is under seige by Globalists intent on ruling all through their crafted plan for a New World Order. "ORDER OUT OF CHAOS". Canada has never been completely divided as it is today brought to fruition by targeted policies from the regime of the son Justin Trudeau. Diversity is NOT your strength - diversity IS division
I'm a first generation Canadian born from Italian immigrants. Diversity is not our strength! While my grandparents and father as well as myself have held onto our Italian culture we're Canadian's first. My family were grateful to Canada for the second chance it gave them and their future generations, unlike our new immigrants who think Canadians owe them something and should change our ways for them! You are exactly the kind of immigrant Trudeau is selling out Canada just to become a dictator
Gavin Herrera we have all been united by the covid plandemic. Enjoy losing your individual rights to nwo totalitarian rules. Oh, and no collective rights for you, either, except submission.
JJ, this video is gold from front to back. I especially like how you posed a question to the viewers after explaining your points.
Bro to this American your videos on Canadian issues and politics are super interesting. One gripe I often hear from Canadians is that they (at least claim to) know a lot about the US political system and issues but Americans know little about Canada’s, and your channel helps me close that gap in a very enjoyable way. Thank you.
Well done-great summary with lots of food for thought. Thank you.
People have been talking about systemic racism a lot, especially recently, but I’ve always been skeptical of it because of a lack of specific and recent examples. This is by far the best explanation of how that could exist that I’ve seen.
Being from Regina it drives me crazy how you say about. You are the only Canadian I have ever heard that talks like that and I'm not joking.
I think it’s an Ontario thing
@@clairejones1113 no, we don't say that either. Nor do the Atlantic Canadians. I wonder if he intentionally exaggerates this....idea of a Canadian accent purely as a performance.
@@alongfortheride84 He says he grew up and lives in Vancouver BC
Thank you for drawing peoples attention. Well done.
Thanks so much for what you do. I’m an immigrant and EVERYTHING you post is educational for me. I love your connection between collective rights and bigger government
I cannot thank you enough for this video. It so many words I have been trying to put together for years! Thank you Northern Neighbor!
As a canadian, I never really thought much about this topic. The video was very informative and entertaining. I never heard anyone talk about how collective rights triumph over individual rights in Canada. After watching the video, I agree with JJ. Canada is a country that likes to think of itself as a country where everyone is equal. But in reality, Canada is a country that favours certain groups over others.
This is incredibly fascinating. I often wondered about this about Canada. Thanks for creating this video.
Just found your channel and I love it. I have some catching up to but the content is so compelling I do not believe it will take me long. Keep up the awesome work.
This is a point of view I was not even aware of....thank you for the insight
I've actually been looking for Canadian RUclipsrs that discuss Canadian issues, especially in a way that's meaningful and sparks discussion. In highschool (ON) it was mandated to take a half semester course on civics, but that's where the education stopped. Folks know that it's important to vote in major elections, but don't really know how to engage with their elected representatives or what bills are being put forth. Thanks for this content!
Ah the grade 10 civics class. The teacher was cute and the work was easy
I love your channel, and this video was particularly excellent. It discussed fundamental questions of government it a really fascinating way. Definitely not just for Canadians.
I appreciated this video as well as what seems like Pierre Elliot Trudeau's voice clips. But I do have one cricitism: As a forth gen Chinese Canadian from railroad builders, we don't speak mandarin at all. We speak Cantonese or Taishanese, as we descend from migrant workers from Canton province. Nihao is not the right term at all. It's 'Nay Ho'. Nihao would only cater to the current new influx of visa students from Beijing, not the Chinese Canadians of the last 200 years. i.e. my Great Great grandparents, my great grand parents, and my grand parents do not speak a lick of Mandarin whatsoever. So lingua franca of multigenerational Chinese Canadians is Cantonese :>
Ok, but this creates two classes of Chinese Canadians which would also lead to what PET would fear: Chinese Canadians who can speak Cantonese and Chinese Canadians who can’t. A very significant proportion of Chinese Canadians in fact don’t speak Cantonese but speak Mandarin (and I am part of this group).
Not to mention that just because that greeting isn’t right for your group of Chinese Canadians it doesn’t mean that it isn’t right for other groups of Chinese Canadians.
@@emitain8408 technically speaking railway workers also spoke: Hokkien, Kaiping dialect, Sunwui dialect, Hakka dialect as well. It'd be nice if PET would attempt a happy new years in all the above dialects INCLUDINg Mandarin. In terms of you, you're part of the current majority for speaking Mandarin, so you feel no qualms about a lack of representation. And whether you like it or not there are old landed immigrants and newer immigrants such as yourself. The older immigrants and descendants of said immigrants are no longer being represented at a National level is my point. But you seem to let it fly over your head and insist that it's a 'fear' thing PET would feel, actually no I think it's more of a mainland Chinese fear of dividing classes of Chinese peoples, whereas over here it's a : historical fact that there are franca linguas for Chinese Diaspora is in fact majority Southern dialects like Cantonese, Hokkien(or Fujian as you would call it). It does not equate to a class system to speak differently nor does it pertain to social economic status. Just a difference in language representation does not equate to one being higher or lower than the other, that sounds like your own projected fears. Like say you learned to program in python first and then majority of the team does C++, does that make them better than you? No, but it means that you're all programmers at the end of the day. But it would be NICE to have code provided accessible in BOTH python and C++. That's the analogy I'm going for.
Hey JJ Thank You for your commentaries on Canada. It is specifically the reason I watch your channel. Please continue and God Bless you.
American here. In response to your question about whether other countries have these sort of collective rights I want to say a few things. First, a lot of so-called individual rights must also be understood as collective rights. For instance, the freedom of speech or the freedom of association in the U.S. are certainly understood in an individual context, but they are also understood in reference to the collective. The right to associate with others for instance is a very classic example as the right only exists if it protects associations, which it does (for instance, membership lists of a political organization can be protected (see e.g. NAACP v. Alabama). And the rights to equal protection in the United States are in some ways simultaneous individual (because they protect a person from discrimination) and collective rights (because they protect a groups such as racial groups from being discriminated against).
Within the American Left, particularly in discussion of racism in the field of Critical Race Theory there historically has been some discussion around the idea of a Black-White Binary in the United States. Some non-Black people of color posit that Civil Rights of non-Black people of Color can only be understood or protected as analogous to Black Americans (similar to your example in the video). This of course is fiercely debated and there are some strong points against it. Two good piece showing the competing points of view on the matter are Juan F. Perea, The Black/White Binary Paradigm of Race: The Normal Science of American Racial Thought, 85 Calif. L. Rev. 1213 (1997) and Roy L. Brooks & Kirsten Widner, In Defense of the Black/White Binary: Reclaiming a Tradition of Civil Rights Scholarship, 12 Berkeley J. Afr.-Am. L. & Pol'y 107 (2010).
Edit: I think one way to think about this a bit more clearly would be to break up individual and collective rights into their positive and negative rights parts (positive right being conferring a duty on the state and negative rights stopping the state from doing something). JJ is talking about positive collective rights or rights that require the state to do something for a collective of people (e.g. provide dual language services). My examples are more of negative collective rights. What J.J. is against, I think, is the idea of conferring positive rights to these groups (and possibly to indviduals as a individualist conservative(?)).
Maybe, either way, positive rights still trample the individual rights of people.
I get your point but I think what JJ meant with "collective rights" is that these are given to specific groups based on common-shared characteristics, whereas individual rights from the legal standpoint are assured to any individual regardless of which group they belong to.
Yes, freedom of speech can be thought as a "collective right" but if it's defined like that in a constitution you end up with the same problem that JJ mentions, some groups will be more equal than others.
One of the best examples is what's happening right now in the USA, if I am part of a specific minority, I might have more advantages getting a government job because quotas have to be filled, or I could say some words that might be considered as "offensive" or "racist" if a white person says it. I have to point out that these situations are happening due to laws that are actually unconstitutional.
Eli P. The quotas in turn lead to unjust firings in order to fulfill them, which is unfortunate.
@@john3_14-17 Yes. Some politicians might think that they're "helping" historically oppressed minorities putting into place race and/or gender based quotas but they're just making them less competitive in the market. When/if they have to look for jobs outside of the governmental umbrella, they then might realize that they were mere racial/gender tokens to those institutions. The few times I've had people thinking that they need to help me only because of my skin tone just because they think I'm victim and have that mentality, I've kindly told them "Thank you for trying to help but you just want to feel good about yourself doing something good and you're racist, like in the real meaning". **Pikachu face**
@Luís Filipe Andrade That's why the US was founded as a Republic and not a democracy. If the Supreme Court started to proactively review laws to see if they're constitutional or not, a lot of Laws and Regulations would have to be cut off
wonderfully insightful, thank you.
Excellent video. You've opened my eyes to a topic I have never thought about before.
I appreciate that the US has no “official” language, even if English tends to be the default. I think having many cultures coexisting under a single government will always fail to need to be flexible to approximate equality (because true equality will always be an unattainable goal).
Even with no official language, though, we do tend to have a sort of hierarchy of language minorities based on the availability of translators, officially translated documents, etc. I recall seeing at some point a list of the languages that the State of Texas would provide help in, and I believe it was something like Spanish, French, Vietnamese and Chinese. Too bad if you spoke Russian or Swahili.
Also Texas has a law that each voting precinct should "make reasonable efforts" to have a Spanish/English bilingual election clerk.
When I lived in Texas, I actually sort of hoped that we would adopt official bilingualism the way Canada has, and in some ways, Texas has done so. But that would tend to result, as JJ frequently points out, a bilingual elite running the state in perpetuity.
www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/laws/advisory2019-10.shtml
Luís Filipe Andrade but isn’t it that the demographic of the US is changing? That Spanish is getting more spoken by many Americans...
Luís Filipe Andrade honestly I think the US is much more like Canada, don’t forget that the Spanish speakers were here before the English speakers and we annexed into the country rather than them joining on their own accord. I do believe those states that have a considerable Spanish heritage should have some kind of official bilingualism, maybe not to the Canada level but some level.
Luís Filipe Andrade Spanish is as spoken in the us as French is in Canada
Makes me wonder why English is taught in schools if that's the case, though -- if it isn't the official language, then why is it mandatory to be taught than just have different language tracks based on the student?
Oh, I've had a series planned on Canada's stuff for a long time now. I plan to release videos on it whenever there's a slow news day internationally, which there hasn't been for like 6 months.
Cool! What are your thoughts on what I talked about here?
I'm from Quebec and I love your unfiltered way of saying the truth!
Love watching your videos. Keep up the great work!
I noticed this video doesn’t begin with, “Hello friends!” Is everything ok?
No.
I am furious he did not also say "bonjour mes amis."
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Je demande une interprétation simultanée. 🤪
And he’s in a chair not an exercise ball 😮
I think he's alright, sometimes it's just a good idea to mix it up every once in awhile.
In northern Ireland, there are two or three groups this is seen when becoming a mp of the northern irish assembly you have to declare you are unionist, nationalist or other
I am curious what is the privilege or disadvantage of being an other?
@@robinsonodhiambo In the past the Catholic Nationalists were discriminated against, however nowadays (in theory) it is much better as there are quotas for everything.
@@robinsonodhiambo certain decisions made by the assembly require a "cross-community vote", which both the unionists and nationalists groups have to give a majority. E.g. if all nationalists vote in favour, but all unionists vote against, then the legislation can't pass, even if there is an overall majority, as that is indicative that the legislation favours one community over the other.
To my understanding, the disadvantage of being an "other" is that your vote doesn't really count in these votes. Though very few seats are other (today there is only 11 others out of 90).
This is at least how I understand it. There may be other factors to consider that I'm not aware of.
robinson odhiambo catholic unionist
David Atkinson boring
thank you your ideas are food for thought some already supporting fears I had but could not express.
If this young buck is the future of Canada.........
I have faith in Canada and the society and peoples that shape him.
Newstalk1010, a talk radio station from Toronto used one of your quotes in your videos to describe whats going on with JT and WE charity. I think the quote was taken from this video. The radio host was Jerry Agar.
Most people are watching this for the Canadian history, I’m just here to see what Mario sound effects J.J. will use next 🤣
This was a really mind opening video about politics and culture in general beyond just Canada. Really opened my mind to what "rights" even really means. Thanks you!
Fun fact: My Dad and his friend almost nailed Pierre Trudeau with a sharp pole sometime in the late 1970s. They were bringing a junkyard pole to his friend's place via bicycle to cut it up and build something. Pierre Trudeau stepped out of his limo on the road side rather than curb side as they were booking it. He narrowly avoided being hit and then they cussed him out as they passed for not looking before exiting the car. Anyways that night whatever event Trudeau was attending was on TV, my dad and his friend called each other and said "Look at the news, isn't that the guy we almost hit."
It's a damn shame that they missed him.
Missed opportunity
My mom saw him in a small town in Pakistan in the late 80’s
First! Hope you have a good day JJ!
Are you the real Clay Brick?
I didn't expect the serious tone of this video, but in retrospect, I really should've seen it coming.
Dearest JJ, I came here to learn about Canada and ended up also falling in love. 😍
From what I've been able to find in the news, the hereditary chiefs of said tribe that were protesting the pipeline through their territory were only representing a small minority of their people. This tribe has a democratically elected band council which was in favor of the pipeline and a population which was also in majority favor of it. However, a few hereditary chiefs (who have no real power in the tribe), along with a few of their followers, protested the pipeline anyways and received real concessions from the federal government. This has created a huge political mess.
@ Jason Jean; The ''democratically elected band council'' is by the federal ''Indian Act'', nothing to do with the hereditary chiefs and contrary to your false assertion they do have power in the tribe.
@@dhache1195 I know eh? They must have mobilized a few dozen out of the hundreds, if not thousands of band members. Amazing powers! Superpowers!!! And yeah, being native must mean that you hate democracy because it provides self-determination.
@@jasonjean2901; I do support and I also promote democracy as well as self-determination. No need of the federal, it's high time to get rid of the federal chain
@@dhache1195 If you have a form of government, independent of the Canadian federal government, then you are either referring to a "state-within-a-state" or the break-up of Canada. Canada has no reason to cede its sovereign territory, so it won't. The state-within-a-state solution might work, but such independence should come with responsibilities. For example, many native groups protested when the Canadian federal government attempted to grant band councils MORE rights over their reserve land. Yeah, they tried to give band councils the right to both BUY and SELL reserve land (right now they can't sell their land). Large amounts of natives objected to this idea claiming that their democratically-elected councils were "too corrupt" to hold such power. Autonomy has its drawbacks, but if natives were willing to accept responsibility for their own governance, then a state-within-a-state might be a possible solution.
If they want to protest the pipeline they have every right to
In India, a certain group of Hindus called dalits (officially Scheduled Castes or SCs) are considered inferior in the eyes of Hinduism as a whole. They have a certain share of seats in Parliament, State and local legislatures reserved for them, where only a Dalit candidate can get on the ballot. There's a similar provision for Tribal Indians (scheduled tribes, STs). These reservations actually go beyond just legislative representation. All public institutions such as Public Unis, Civil Service offices and other Government employees must have a certain quota of people belonging to these classes. This was initially a temporary measure, meant to last only till 1960, but after rioting and outcry, it was increased until 2020, where the Modi government will most likely continue this practice. Since the 60s, more groups have also been given concessions, them being called "other backward classes", or OBCs.
The fight hates this system because "who are these drtbags taking my jobs" and the left isn't happy because this system by itself isn't enough, but it's seen by those in charge as enough, so no real change is pursued.
Fantastic video as always JJ.
This group has been discriminated against and is still discriminated. There are many reports of casteism in remote corners of India. Unless the country has a mass education wherein they all get woke, this has to continue until that point.
Ya I feel your pain bro
Ah the untouchables... Funny thing though, the scammers do define themselves as untouchables... I wonder what their parents would think of their proclivities O.O
@@shihabahmed2724 there's reports of casteism everywhere. I live in Delhi and people from lower castes can't go to temples and drink from the same glass. The solution isn't reservation, it's mass education like you said
“Backward classes”, “inferior castes”. Are these normal words in India? They sound pretty racist
This is actually fairly interesting video - as someone on that leans left (I mean what does that even mean ; I like healthcare / public education / other public goods make economic sense to be managed by a social entity) would actually agree that collective rights just separate groups more from each other which potentially causes conflict. One thing that makes very little sense to me in Canada is that the provinces have more trade restrictions between them than we have with say America. There's a lot of services/rights that some Canadians have because of geography / class / group which feels wrong to me.
Is it public finance of education you like, or public *delivery* of publicly mandated curricula? I am up to negotiating the former.
Thank you and kudos for talking about such a complex topic in such a nuanced manner… the fact that collective rights serve to strengthen the leaders of collective bodies of peoples is a concept I had not realized.
Wow! Excellent thinking and I think it does express how people feel…