How to pick the best motorbike boot brand? (based on dirt rider survey)︱Cross Training Enduro
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- www.crosstraini... tractionerag.com Which brand makes the best off road motorbike boots? Does quality matter that much with motocross boots? Which brands will last the longest? Spoiler, we rate boots in this order: Gaerne, Forma, Alpinestar, Sidi and Fox. First, don't trust the vast majority of bike gear reviews. In almost every case they are getting kickbacks in one way or another. Maybe you shouldn't. Judge for yourself by the end. Data included all boots but these featured a lot: Gaerne SG10 and SG12, Forma Predator, Fox Instinct and Comp, Alpinestar Tech 3, Tech 5 and Tech 10, and Sidi Crossfire. Here is our ranking for the best enduro boot brands. This is based on hundreds of user's comments collected over 12 months, and whether the rider was happy or disappointed with their long term use. Also see our Fox Instinct boot review link. And the Forma Predator review too. It focuses on comments just within the last few years, as the quality of some brands appears to have dropped a lot recently. How reliable are these figures? Most of the negative comments were centred on a faulty production run a few years ago, where Gaerne admitted their mistake and replaced faulty enduro boots. In most cases, the best motorbike boots reviewer just want to make money and has no problem with advising you buy Chinese made crap if it benefits them. Why should you trust this review? What about the best adventure boots? Forma have developed a very good reputation for themselves, especially the Forma Predator boot. Alpinestar used to be the market leader years ago with Italian made enduro boots. Without conducting a huge study with detailed questionnaires it's old a rough guide to the best motocross boots. But after talking with dozens of riders worldwide about boots over the past year I think it's a fair summary. We just looked at Forma Predator, Gaerne SG12, Alpinestar Tech 10, Sidi Crossfire and Fox Instinct boots because we didn't have enough data for other brands. The Italians have always made superb off road motorbike boots. And Gaerne has retained their best motorbike boots reputation by keeping their factories within Italy. But their reputation has slowly been on the decline since production went offshore to Thailand and Croatia for the Alpinestar Tech 3, Tech 5 and Tech 10. All off the comments about Fox enduro boots centred on those made in China, whether it was the Instinct boots or cheaper Comp range. These were an exceptionally good boot when the pricing was so low, but they have increased the price as their reputation rose. Years ago Sidi was widely seen as being the equivalent of Gaerne, and a bit cheaper too. But many have commented about an apparent drop in quality over the years. A lot of the criticism is centred on their Sidi Crossfire SRS boots which are made in Italy, the TA models with the stitched sole have less complaints about still appear to have suffered in recent years. In Australia, the latest Comp motocross boots are marked made in Thailand now. Whether this leads to an improvement, time will tell. What about other brands? Unfortunately I couldn't get enough comments on other brands to provide reliable feedback. However, I think there's a strong correlation between quality and where the motocross boot is manufactured. Leatt boots? Made in China. Answer boots? Made in China. Oneal boots? Made in China. Fly boots? Plenty of guys sell them cheap when they realise they don't fit well. Focus on Gaerne SG10 and SG12, Forma Predator, Fox Instinct, Alpinestar Tech 10, and Sidi Crossfire at the very least. Much of this is just my opinion of course, but the feedback from hundreds of owners might help you decide what to buy next. Keen to hear your thoughts? What has worked for you in the past? What didn't? Do you think quality matters? Let us know in the comments. Made in China, although their premium Maverick boot is made in Myanmar, of all places. And TCX appear to make some of their motocross boots in China, some in Romania. Points to remember? First, you will find riders who are very happy with cheap Chinese made boots. Second, how well do those cheap enduro boots protect you when it really counts? Third, a good boot isn't expensive in the long run if you want the best motocross boot. There are some guys still using Gaerne boots after 10 and even 20 years. Cheap boots have a lot of flexibility built in so they feel comfortable, but it means less protection. Premium boots have features like ankle pivot points and extra padding so they are comfortable and have great protection too. If you are on a strict budget, I think it's way better to buy the best motorbike boots secondhand instead of Chinese made boots.
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OTHER BRANDS LIKE LEATT? We didn't get enough data to make a decent conclusion. But as per the vid, generally if these are made in China they won't be much good. Early reports on Leatt boots are they are comfy but soles wear out way too fast and some quality control issues.
WHEN LEATT WENT WRONG While Gaerne appear to have the best reputation, they did have issues with a particular orange/grey batch around manufactured around 2015 or 2016 where the orange plastic was defective and cracked very quickly. The date of manufacture is stamped inside the boot, ALWAYS CHECK THE DATE BEFORE BUYING! Sometimes you'll find heavily discounted boots are actually a few years old already.
While the number of cases was small, they got a lot of publicity due to Gaerne's reputation for being the best. A few riders were very unhappy with only being offered a discounted pair of new boots, others were happy as they were given new boots. Here is the eventual response from Gaerne USA:
As far as the orange/grey boots, there have had some rumors going around. One thing people keep saying is it is ALL orange boots that do this, and that is not true. There was one very specific batch that had a problem with the plastic, all of those boots that did come from that batch had the cracking come very early on. Pretty much after 2-3 rides and those are the one's that were deemed defective and any of those boots that showed some cracking within the first few riders where replaced by either another another orange/grey boot that isn't from that batch or one of the new orange/black/white, as the orange/grey colorway has been discontinued a few years ago.
With your boots being at around 100 hours of ride time and at least a few years old, they wouldn't fall under this category, as that is quite a bit of of use and abuse versus the defect which shows itself within a few hours of use you know? Hopefully this is understandable.
Having said all that, we do always try to offer a discount on a new pair if someone is a long time supporter and eventually has an issue like this, we would be happy to do the same for you. We'd be able to get a new pair of SG12's in the colorway of your choice (depending on what we have in stock) for a discounted price of $389.99.
Just let us know if you would like to do that!
Sincerely,
Gaerne USA
Read more here: thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1328455-my-experience-with-gaerne-boots/#comments
I have been wearing my alpinestar tech 7 for over 4 years and they have held up great. Love these boots,comfy,light and good feel
Me too! Great boots!
Agree
Agreed. Great boots!
I’ve had my Gaernes for 8 years, best boots around.
Yes, they are amazing in every way !
Just recently picked up some Gaerne Fastback Enduro sole boots and I am very impressed. Right out of the box super comfy and have kept my feet dry in creek crossings thus far. Glad to see the results here, gives me confidence I bought a quality product. They are also less expensive than I would have expected.
However I do understand your recommendation about going with the top of the line model.
I can't speak about the Fastback boots, Mike... but yes, generally Gaerne is the most trusted brand by riders. Lets hope they keep their factories in Italy and maintain the standard!
Gaerne SG12 for 4 years now and close to 400hrs on them in the Costa Rica rain forest - still excellent condition!
Good to hear Mike! I assume that would mean humid and sweaty? A guy in Thailand said he'll only buy cheap boots because he reckons Gaerne boots would rot quickly like any other boot when it's so wet.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yes, humid to the extent you walk out of the house and sweat starts beading on your arms and everywhere else. Amongst the riders here in CR, Gaerne is the top choice for durability and wear. I do however let them dry out in the sun after a ride because they are soaked from sweat - it's just what we have to do.
I followed your videos for a while and saw the scott boot flexibility one. That made me change my buying plan and instead of going for 100-150€ new "chinese" boots i went with a hit or miss 40€ used gaerne SG10's. When i got them i cleaned them with alcohol and put in a new insole. I couldn't be happier. Things are like a rock, you really do get the feeling that your legs are secure. Found another pair of 50€ SG12's in great condition, satisfied with those as well.
Man, what a bargain! I really want to encourage anyone new to dirt riding to consider secondhand gear like this... you can actually save money but get the best protection. As long as you get some alcohol or anti-tinea powder in there. 😂
Extremely happy with my SG12s! I owned 2 pairs of Alpinestar Tech7 and they were a good comfortable boot, but the protection and quality of the SG12 was a big step up.
Yes, the best in every way !
Yeah, makes the tech 7 seam like a trials boot.
Talked into new boots Gaerne SG-12, after off bike for awhile.... WORTH ever penny dont cut corners with Helmet or Feet it could be costly 🏁
I have had the Fly Racing Sector Boots for 4 years and they are holding up very well. Replaced one broken strap. They are a little on the heavy side, but the protection the offer is worth the weight.
Forma adventures have done me well, five years now going into six and Alpinestar tech 5 are the same age and are holding up well all around. Both bought in 2014 and Alpinestar I purchased used. Poor fit for someone. No complaints to date.
Great video. Thank you
Used Alpinestars for 10 years, but you guys got it right ! Gaerne SG 12 is the very best boots ! They are built flawlessly , more protection, super comfortable and last forever !
I will never buy any other boots ! Gaerne SG 12's are the best ! Ride motocross and off road every week.
Never owned a set but definitely my next choice unless they stop making them Italy!
I have a pair of the alpine tech6’s. Great boot for all my dual sport adventures. Very happy with the quality, even after 6 months of abuse.
SG12s dont fit everyone but in terms of quality and longevity they number 1 hands down!!
How do they compare to the SG10?
It's definitely a case of try before you buy to make sure you don't have a weirdly shaped foot, Josiah! I don't know if some guys walk around the shop in them and find them fine, but later on when riding they are uncomfortable? That would be a bummer.
@Vee Vendetta wide imo, I have sg10s though
The toe box is very wide and almost too roomy. You need to go down a size, they run about a half size larger ! I wear a 10 in Alpinestars , but had to go to a 9 in Gaerne SG 12's . They are perfect !
It really helps that they have memory foam inside. I have four pairs of different Gaerne boots and all of them are the most comfortable footwear I've ever had. As soon as you put them on, you just go "ahhh, that's the stuff"
How many manufacturers approach you about content and sponsorship? You are staying strong and bringing the people true, honest reviews so thanks for your dedication to not sell out! Cheers!
It used to happen quite a bit but I think all the criticism of crap stuff means they go to other channels now. It's kind of a bummer as you can make a lot of money through positive 'reviews' then the affiliate marketing afterwards. But I don't think I could live with myself lol.
@@crosstrainingenduro myself and your other “dodgy” followers/subscribers/supporters/cult members support you in this decision and appreciate your dedication to the sport!
Gaerne sg12. I'm 4 or 5 years in had em re-soled a year ago and other than a couple strap replacements they are solid. Absolutely love em.
My next choice for sure...
The best enduro/ adv channel on RUclips.
Appreciate that 😁
Nice video!
Have made great experience with my gaerne sg10 and sg12.
They are defininetly worth the money. Even they are a little bit wider than any others. Fits mine preferences perfect.
I purchased Sidi Crossfire SRS about 18 months ago, it was just after your video warning against them. Well they've been fine all year (about 120 hours race and trail riding) until the last month where I had to replace the soles (no biggie) and now one of the boots is starting to leak water into the boot. So now I can really only use these boots on single day rides and not longer multi day trips.
Unfortunately it just seems to be a matter of time before premium boots lose any waterproofing. It doesn't ever seem to guaranteed with dirt riding boots but you can be lucky. I had an old pair of Oxtars that were waterproof for about two years. My first Sidi Crossfires? About six months. My second set. Leaked from the start. Not sure how Gaerne holds up in this regard.
Forma... I said on a previous video.. Pred 2... bullet proof. Taken abuse and hits that would be gaurenteed serious injury in any pair of alpinestars or fox. Not only did they save me... they remained in great condition to CONTINUE USE! I have alot of riders here in BC that warned me away from SIDI.. issues but rhe big issue was the reps werent good to deal with. And Gaerne have a good following but i prefered fit of the Forma! GREAT VIDEOS! Keep the satirical Honesty coming!!
I had tech 3s about 3 sets of them, they are a good beginner boot to start. I worn the first set of soles out and the rest of them the ankles blow out. I literally just got my gaerne sg12 the other day. I started to walked around the house with them to make sure they don’t hurt. Had a bit of ankle discomfort but I rode my bike and it went away. They are awesome boots worth every penny I hit a rock or root and all I did was hear it hit the metal toe cap, I didint even feel it. My tech 3s you would feel everything. Little difficult to feel the shifter and stuff but by riding for about 15 mins I had it down pat.
I also have a set of knee braces from asterisk they are carbon cell model recently new within the last year. Light and When your riding you don’t notice them. They are very slim
I know it's a problem when starting out, Tayler... it all costs so much so it's tempting to get a cheaper boot like the Tech 3. But from now on I'll be discouraging noobs from doing this. Looking at all the stats it actually makes more sense to go cheap on your helmet (if you have to) but get the best boots possible.
Had my tech 3’s for about 2 years now with no problems and my dad’s tech 7’s lasted nearly 10 years before a decent stack put a hole through the side, either from the foot peg or a rock. Having said that, we don’t ride that often and dad’s new SG12’s do have a higher quality finish and feel much more protective while still being very comfortable.
Interesting to hear, Jack. I came across a pile of stories with Fox boots where the side of the boot ripped open, but not the Alpinestars. I'm not surprised your dad's boots lasted well, the quality still seemed to be very good a decade ago. Same for Sidi. And I think even Fox boots had a better reputation back then.
I used to wear Tech 7 and thought they were good boots. After two years on my SG12 (very little signs of wear) now I know what a really good boot is supposed to feel like.
It does worry me that Alpinestars still seem to be the boot of choice in the USA when they haven't been the best boot available for a long time.
@@crosstrainingenduro Alpinestars do see to be the most widely used in the US. My guess would be marketing and the supercross/motocross presence. However, as enduro continues to gain traction in the US, more brands of boots in that arena are showing up at the starting line.
I've been using the Acerbis X-move boots for the past 2 years now, and i have no complaints so far. To give you a full picture : i've only driven 2000 km in these 2 years and no real technical terrain.
I have a pair of Sidi Crossfire 2 non-SRS boots that I bought around 2015 I believe and I have been very happy with them. Not sure when they started to go downhill but mine have been great.
Very hard to pinpoint a time things began to slide, Chase... possibly when much of the manufacturing moved to Romania? Complaints looked to have gone up in the few years especially.
SG12s, great boot. They're wearing in nicely and I feel super confident in them. My mate bought a cheap set Alpines for about $300 thinking "he didn't need boots that good because he's not planning on falling off"... time will tell which one of us made the right decision.
Hopefully if something goes wrong it will just be the boot falling apart quickly. It's always sad to hear about injuries due to a cheap boot. I'm lining up my first pair of Gaerne SG12 boots, just saw some barely used ones advertised...
@@crosstrainingenduro I love the SG12, worried I was overdoing it but so glad I did, you won't regret it for the amount of riding you do.
@@crosstrainingenduro i've read some complains about water crossings and you get your feet wet instantly. We ride in wet condition so that worries me. Since now it been 1 year you bought em, could you tell me more ?
I brought the new leatt boots before Xmas done about 20 hrs so far love them only thing you may need to do is I spray the latches with silicon spray and that makes them smooth and easy to close and some people say they get rubbing on there ankle I just put a extra inner sole in a thin type and its perfect raised ankle bone up slightly no problems rubbing top boots
I'm only recently getting back into dirt/adventure riding and I still have my Rossi boots from the early 90s. Still in pretty good condition. A good coat of dubbin helped to preserve them. I knew there was a reason I kept them for nearly 30 years : )
They'd be a collectors item for sure, John. A pity they stopped making motorbike boots.
I’m back from the early 2000s I just threw my gaernes away during a move a couple years ago. Sucks but I’m glad to be getting back in the dirt again.
Finally boots made for us short riders
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great vids as always,
my 2cents...
i have a pair of tcx 2.1 which have been great eccept for the soles detaching once ,this was after a quite a few deep puddles and much use(easily reglued by myself).
They have certainly saved my bacon manytimes with the old 450exc landing peg first on my boot multiple times(thank christ for the side and heal protection pivots) and many a shin whack from sticks and rocks.
overall very happy with them.
Keep up the great work and great to see you back on the wheels.
Good to hear, Steven. Many years ago I had a pair of Oxtar boots (before they were renamed TCX) and they were made in Italy back then... rock solid boots! I know a lot of the TCX boots are made in China now but I couldn't get enough reports to see if they were a decent boot or not.
Quite happy with my Tech 7's. A close buddy has a pair of older SG12's. They seemed quite soft to me. He recently went down on our turn course and hyperflexed his ankle. I was ready to "step up" to SG12's, but now I think I'll hold off. My Tech 7's are going on 4 years old. I ride a minimum of a few days per week and they show no real signs of wear other than footpeg damage on the soles. Only time a buckle ever came open was once when I got tangled up in some barbed wire. The boot took some heavy gouges from the wire barbs, but no tears or punctures. I think I'll get another 2 years before needing a resole or replacement. That said, I don't really think you can go wrong with any premium boot.
Glad you mentioned this. I've never owned Gaerne boots but will swap over when my current ones wear out. All my riding buddies use them so I'll check their boots for how much flex they have in them.
@@crosstrainingenduro When I first checked out his boots I was jealous with how much more freely the Gaerne ankle hinge moved. The hinge on the Tech 7's don't line up like you think they should, and that always annoyed me. But in light of recent experiences, perhaps Alpinestars restricted the movement for a reason. It's hard to say. At the end of the day, nothing can be foolproof. Hazards of the game!
You definitely don't want too much ankle movement either way. E.g. Imagine hitting a stump that bends your foot down. Or landing from a jump when your toes are on the pegs and your foot is bent up rapidly.
My sidi crossfires I bought years ago, pretty sure they were Italian made they're that old. They squeak a bit when you walk but still structurally very sound. I did run a bead of Silicon around the sole stitching years ago and that helped the waterproofing a fair bit. You wash your bike after a ride, wash your boots too, let them dry thourghly and lubricate the buckles and they'll last very well.
It seems they don't make them the way they used to. My first ever set of Crossfires never gave up, but after years of abuse I just retired them as my backup pair. But unfortunately my second set aren't lasting well at all. 🤔
I’ve seen a lot of comments to say to walk around in the boots to see if they’re comfortable before you buy them. I bought my Garne S12s online and put them on when I got them. Thought I made a huge mistake they were so uncomfortable. Once I got on the bike they’re fine and I love them. They’re designed to be ridden with not walked with.
Plus there are a few tricks e.g. some guys find they pinch the ankles but if you shove a soda bottle down there it can slightly remould things and creat space...
Forma Predator Enduro. Have had them about a year and they are holding up great. Good stiff boot and great protection. Also the Forma USA customer service was great. At least that was my experience.
An excellent point on boots not fitting right . Two min. stomping around a dealers showroom can fool you into believing something will break in and be all good on the trail ,sometimes not so much!! Years ago I invested in a new pair of Fox boots and after found out they had a narrow toe box that was pure torture after an hour of weartime ! Went back to Teck 7s, as comfortable as slippers ,and no major pain so far .Now if somebody can build a boot that will not leak like a sieve in anything more than 4 in . of water !!!
That is potentially a huge problem, James. I'm not sure what the answer is... any tips? I want to do a vid about how to choose the best boot and fitment is a huge part of that.
@@crosstrainingenduro The problem may only get bigger with less and less dealers only having an order form and no stock on hand. Pay your money and take your chances ???
I raced old second hand Sidi CF boots for two seasons. No problems. Then went for the (new) bit lighter X-treme stich soles. So far I can't complain. Still have the CF's for back up. I race everything from MX to enduro. I'm only C-class, but so far my feet are fine. I'm old and race accordingly, but still I haven't had any problems with the occasional oopsies shooting over jumps and bottoming the suspension. Quite often I hit my feet on things and so far I'm ok with just the occasional black nail. Surely I try to race within my capabilities, but in the long races exhaustion takes a toll.
I've only tried two races and man it's hard work in your 50s. You have probably heard all of this before Tuomas, but I compiled all these tips I got from very experienced racers. ruclips.net/video/qPpDzAZ16Ng/видео.html
@@crosstrainingenduro I'm only 37 for now, but I can surely feel how age takes a toll. I started racing some 3..4 of years ago and so far have been raising up the ranks even though I never really push it. I just race for fun and my history is mostly in dual sport riding. Thanks for all your videos, I've been watching those for a really long time. Lots of goods tips without the commercial bullshit. I usually do 2 hour races. In the beginning surely its easier to pick up positions as everyone are close to each other, but also I have to remind myself not to redline or get arm pump. After some 15..20 min I can start to really push it as I'm all warmed up. At some point I have to just settle down and take it easy. Then again as the race is close to the end I try to push it a bit more since some people get tired. Once I made a mistake and thought that I was on the final lap and gave it all I had left. Well, it wasn't. Had to do one more. Took a dive over the bars at a sand bumb since I was completely done and lost my rhythm. Had a sore thumb for 4 months. Might have been broken a bit but who goes to the doctor right.. You really don't need a thumb to ride as long as its there. Some footage from a Finnish cross country race if you are interested: ruclips.net/video/1Fn-nu3ikIA/видео.html that is me with the red/blue/white gear at around the 2:15 mark passing the bike with the camera. I got a really bad start so I had to do some passing to begin with. I like that track a lot, one of my favourites. Quite fast, not too technical. I can do technical too, but I like the flowing stuff more. I think I finished in the top 30% in C-class. I started racing with a 250 2-stroke pumpkin, but currently race a 390 Beta. I like the "big block" a lot. Nice for a lazy rider, pulls almost like a 450 from the botton but revs to the moon almost like a 250. But I did like the 250 2-stroke as well, I like the raw power and explosiveness. I did try a 300, but that was too phlegmatic, it just never lights up.
I just recently bought a pair of TCX Comp Evo boots. The price here in Brazil was almost half that of the Gaerne sg12. The quality of construction impressed me, as well as the comfort level. They are very stiff boots, in the likes of the Gaerne sg12, with ankle pivots and reinforced calf and upper heel area. Now let's see how they fare in the long run. So far, very pleased with the purchase.
Do you know where they were made, Agenor?
@@crosstrainingenduro I thought they would be the ones made in Romania, but it turns out they are actually made in China.
@@crosstrainingenduro But when comparing them to the made in China Fox Comp I had previously, the Tcx seems to be much better built.
Not everything made in China is complete garbage, I think it comes down to whether the company has their own people monitoring quality control? But unfortunately companies move manufacturing to China to save money and it usually means some drop in quality will result. Just hopefully not too much!
@@crosstrainingenduro Exactly what I think. I'm not against anything made in China, just don't like when manufacturers only care about the profits and forget about the quality control.
Barry, I jut recently purchased some Gaerne SG12s and they are great boots. They definitely offer more protection for my feet, ankles and lower legs. My other boots are Forma Adventures. The SG12s take some getting used to wearing but for trails they are much better. An older "Dirt Muppet in Training" like me needs all the protection I can get. Glad to hear the Gaerne boots should last a while because they are expensive.
Cheers!
It was really interesting doing all of this over the past year, I'll certainly go for Gaernes next. All my riding buddies have used them for years. And I probably should have gone for Forma adventure boots... after buying the DR650 I was bankrupt so I just got Fusport boots instead. But I wear my mx boots for any really serious aventure ride.
Been going back and forth between sg12 and tech10.
Probably going with gaerne today
It might come down to fit. I'd definitely go Gaerne if possible but of course if they don't feel comfortable after wearing them for 10 minutes in the shop...
@@crosstrainingenduro they were both comfortable, spent about 15 minutes in each yesterday.
I get a much better deal on gaerne then alpinestars.
Can't go wrong there!
I own a pair of Sidi Discovery Rain boots which I've had for over 12 years. Very happy no leaks, and feel true to size for my size 13.
Good to hear, Andrew. From what I hear Sidi was generally considered to be on par with Gaerne back in those days.
Just bought a set of crossfire 3s, TA version. They fit similar to ski boots. Looking forward to seeing how they hold up
For some reason, Gaerne SG-12s have foam padding at the ankle that sticks uncomfortably into my leg. I tried two different pairs. This is quite rare for people, so I must have weird shin bones or something. I remedied this by sticking a large water bottle into the boot for a week or two. Feels great now. Lets show Gaerne how much we appreciate well made Italian boots by choosing them for our next pair! I hope we don't reach a point where our only option is rubbish that lasts a fraction of the time.
Yeah it's a real problem with things like boots and knee braces. They fit the 'average' leg and the moment you are a bit different.... Always a good idea to walk around the motorbike store for a good 15 minutes in them! Thanks for the water bottle tip, I'll include that in a future vid!
I should add, I have no affiliation with Gaerne of course. But if they stay with the Italian factory and don't drop quality I'll back them to the hilt. We really need to support these brands that haven't sold out yet!
I picked up an old pair of Gaerne boots on ebay for 50 bucks. I've been using them for 3 years now. Still going strong!
Further down in the comments is a guy still using his after 20 years... incredible when sometimes a pair of Fox boots will barely last a year.
Depends a lot on the kind of climate you use them. I have 2 seasons on my Acerbis and they are comfy. I don't get them wet often.
I find the Alpinestars tech 7 very comfy, and I hav not had any problems with them. They do make a squiking sound when walking though.
I can never sneak up on anyone😂
Usually not the best boot for burglars then? 🤔
Have the same problem with the squeak ,but not sure if it's the boots or my knees .
Pretty happy with the AStars Tech7 Enduro Drystar I wore all of 2020...a big step up from Fox Comp 5's. I had considered getting another pair of Comp 5's but the 2020 version was so much cheaper feeling in the store compared with my older ones. My Tech7's aren't the best of the best, but they're at a price I was comfortable with, and having used them now the waterproof factor is a big deal. Rarely do a ride where I don't end up going through some water and the Drystars really do keep my feet dry.
Keeping feet dry is really hit and miss nowadays. Outside of expensive adv boots I don't think anyone guarantees waterproof boots?
I found some lightly used Gaerne boots on a used clothing site. Only a couple pics, no mention of the model, no pic of the top of the boot. Extensive research found that they were very early SG10s, got them for a great price. As old as they are, replacement parts are still readily available (a challenge with older used boots.) At my age, I'll probably never need another pair of boots.
Great to hear! They usually print the month and year of manufacture on the inside 'leg' of the boot. Some brands can deteriorate just sitting on the shop shelf but Gaerne boots don't seem to do that.
I started with O'Neal Element.
Although it was cheap, it's all I could afford and so far they have held up to well over 2 dozen rides on MX, single track, and dirt roads.
They're stitched all the way around, so that is an asset.
I'll get something better when I can pay for it.
Check out the Forma terrain TX boots I got mine on sale 220 bucks and can’t believe how good they are.
SG12!! I have a 5 year pair runned for hundreds of hours and still run them on dry days!
Second pair is still a SG12, 2020 and probably i will have boots for the next 10 years for sure!
Broke my leg with budget boots! Not even free I will not wear another brand!
Likewise, I just couldn't wear cheap boots for riding after two lots of multiple fractures... I will wear a light pair of adventure boots for cruisy adventure rides, but anything remotely gnarly I'll be in mx boots for sure.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yep. Is not worth to have 100-150$ less to spend on crutches later...
I find the biggest problem is most bike shops only carry a few brands and if you don't find a boot there you have to order online a boot without trying it on first .
The dreaded in between sizes. I had that with my Forma boots so I went the bigger boot and wore thick socks. It kinda works but not much fun in summer when you are trying to stay cool lol.
Seems to be a pretty accurate compilation. Over the years I've gravitated to gaerne and forma as I've had other brands fail prematurely in my opinion. So far, very happy with these brands. And in the states forma put a 12 month warranty on their boots. Not sure if that's worldwide or not, but certainly adds confidence to the purchase.
There's a weird part of Forma's warranty where they say it won't apply if riding in wet areas... I'm not sure if they are using that to get out of some warranty cases? Haven't heard of this as yet. It was discussed in our Forma Predator review vid.
@@crosstrainingenduro oh my boots never get wet, not even when I'm cleaning them. 😉
Gaerne just works. I have Fox, Astar and Gaerne SG12. The SG saved me a broken leg last year. Still feel awesome on my feet.
How big of a difference in peg feel between the fox and the SG12? If you don't mind me asking.
@@kingkire1556 I feel more in control with the SG than the Fox. I liken the feel of the fox to having cement blocks on my feet. They are solid but without great protection. The SG is very solid but with some element of feel. Not to mention interior comfort on the SG is tops. From the first time I put them on they felt great on my feet. Usually I struggle to find footwear that I can say that about. I've had 8-10 pairs of dirt boots over the years and the SG is head and shoulders better. Although I did have a pair of Sidi something or other back in the late 90s that I loved.
@@metlmuncher Thank you for your opinion Adam. The only thing holding me back from ordering SGs was the potential of the stitched on
sole giving no peg feel. I only have my pair of Fox Inst as a reference. My Fox's have served me well but the toebox protection is crap.
Ive only had 2 pairs of Gaerne in over 20 years of riding. Current SG10s are over 10 years old and still very very good.
Built to last!
Gaerne SG10 and SG12 is the best ones I have used. I started with a pair of Fox Comp 5, but hurt my foot when i hit a stub next to the trail..., they where way to soft to offer good protection, I feel much more protected in the Gaerne boots
That is a massive problem with cheap boots isn't it, Ulf? They make them soft and light to feel comfortable but it's so much easier to break toes, ankles, the tibia etc.
I went for a mid level Forma. After listening to your statement that saving some £¢€¥$ now will cost me a lot in the long run
What timing! I literally just purchased new boots and are on the way. I went with the Gaerne GX-1's due to the lower price.
I did the same, had then a while and love them. They do squeak a bit when walking though.
I've never owned Gaerne boots and not familiar with their cheaper versions but from the comments I had they still last forever... I guess you'd just have less protection than the top shelf models?
Yeah I guess so, my thinking was better to get entry level boot from a good brand than mid level boot from a not so good brand ? I like them so far🙂
I am running a pair of Croatian-made Alpinestars Tech 10, I've been abusing them for a year and a half. With the exception of strap locks that become a bit stiff with excess sand locking out the mechanism, I'm actually satisfied. They still look and feel basically like new.
Can't say I wouldn't like a pair of SG12s though, but the Tech 10s cost me the equivalent of 260€ when a local reseller was relocating and decided to discontinue its motocross assortment.
Good to hear they are working out for you. I definitely had piles of comments from guys saying how good they were, but of course it's a numbers game. And in recent years about half the guys were complaining about their Alpinestars... quality certainly appears to have slipped in recent years.
30yrs on the road and never an accident (a few close calls) then had 2 pull out in the next 4 years that took me out big time. Both were with me doing 40km/hr and no time to brake at all. 1 was a pensioner with a 4x4 and bull bar and the other an international driver. Never even seen them till they pulled out as I was so close to them so if they didn’t see me and I was 20m-30m away from them. It’s made me re-think my visibility and position on the road
Damn. Glad you survived each one.
Been running my sidi crossfires 10 years unreal boot can’t kill em cheers
The old Crossfires were incredibly solid, Tazy! Mine from around the same era were almost indestructible.
@@crosstrainingenduro I know I’ve given them absolute hell and there still comfy creaky smelly and have saved my leggy bits from destruction so many times ,nothing is built like that anymore except Honda’s hehe
Yeah, I'd agree with the Honda thing too. Last Canadian summer the Traction eRag guys used a fleet of Hondas... zero problems! The previous year it was a fleet of Betas. Every single bike either broke down or had problems that needed fixing over the six weeks.
@@crosstrainingenduro mate not surprised at all if it's got wings u don't need a prayer hehe
I have tried many brands, Forma Comp, with the inner boot I've found to be the most comfortable. I live in Thailand and the biggest issue is boots falling apart, and plastics disintegrating quickly with the high humidity. Have yet to find a way to avoid this happening
Gaerne Fastback for my tootsies and my Pivot Pegz on my Tiger 900 RPro.
Had some MSRs... lasted less than a year.
Had some Thursday, lasted slightly longer.
Almost a year on my Formas and they are still doing great!
I only noticed the MSR brand recently and it all looked cheap and shoddy... I figure most of it must be made in China?
@@crosstrainingenduro it definitely seems so, which is a same because Malcom Smith (the MS of MSR) seems like he was a pretty cool dude.
Bummer... I didn't realize that's what it stood for! Everything I hear suggests Malcolm is a stand up guy. I would assume he'd make sure the stuff isn't really cheap and nasty?
I've been riding trials for 24 yrs now. I had AlpineStars (soles delaminate),Hebo (leather went moccasin soft) and Forma (too heavy and stitching split) but the Gaernes are top of the pops. I bought a newer pair 5 years ago to be ready to replace my current boots...I still haven't needed to get them out of the box. It's my personal definition of decadence knowing I have an identical pair of Gaernes, still in their transit packaging, ready to rock if my old Gaernes give out.
My brother and I were just talking about this yesterday. His Gaerne SG12s are lasting for years but he has a chance to buy an unused pair... the problem is his existing pair will probably go for many years yet.
Yes for sure, absolutely Gaerne and Jett also made in Italy, Jett are freakin awesome...thanks for sharing :)
Fair summary indeed. Gaerne worked well for me (after a disappointing acquaintance with Forma), and I do believe quality matters. In the long run, you benefit from a better product at a lower cost due to longevity.
What happened with your Forma boots, Ariel? I know some guys did hit issues with them but it was fairly rare.
@@crosstrainingenduro The soles on both boots started peeling off after less than 10 hours of use. The local dealer here (in Israel) was more than fair and after a failed attempt at fixing the issue, htheyrefunded me for the full amount.
Just looked at my receipt to make sure, yep still running sidi Sri crossfires from 2012! Have replaced sole with enduro and plastic wear pad on inside of ankles.. other than that..these thing will not die.. almost wish they would so I can justify some new boots!
My first ones were about that vintage and were indestructible... I've left them as a backup pair over in Canada. Unlike my second set bought in 2018 which have steadily been deteriorating from early on.
my forma terrain tx enduro are now 14 months old they have done 9000km with zero issues so far (6800km 4 state simpson desert trip and 2200km trail,single track,beach and snow) the stitching is red from the outback dust but they look like they've only been used once or twice. no straps have come loose no buckles come undone.
Good to hear, Michael! The Forma boots were incredible value here in Australia for years... half the price of Gaerne and Sidi but close to the same quality of Gaerne. Price has gone up a lot now though.
I bought a set of Sidi Tae Flex boots when I was 16 back in 2000. I'm now 36 and still wear the same boots. I just need to replace one of the buckles (if I can). They are comfy and not as bulky as other cheaper brands. I was disappointed to hear that the new Sidi's aren't what they used to be. When I replace I will probably go Gearne.
Cheers
The older Sidi Crossfires were great boots, I've still my first pair as a backup set when I pop over to Canada each year.
Forma TX Enduro series. 160 hrs of faultless soft and hard enduro riding!
How do the forma terrain compare to the lower priced Gaerne boots?
@@ironthumb3048 I haven't tried Gaerne so far, sorry!
Sidi crossfire 2 TA , going strong after a few years and love them.
Good to hear! My current pair are about three years old and things started to go wrong pretty quickly... but thankfully they still seem okay structurally so I'm going to run them into the ground then swap over to Gaerne.
My SG12s are amazing, I bought a spare set to wear as gloves
Good protection for the hands. Is it hard to use the clutch?
@@crosstrainingenduro obviously I use a rekluse
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I have Forma Terra Evo for adventure riding. They're a nice mix between 4 buckle rigidity and long distance comfort. In the first week, I had trouble shifting into second gear. Haven't had any problems with them yet, but I feel they got a bit too flexible after just one year. And they weren't cheap, aprox. 300 EUR.
Unfortunately the adventure boots do usually sacrifice some protection for flexibility. I'll wear them for short easy rides mostly on sealed or easy dirt roads, but it's always the mx boots for serious rides.
Beat the hell out of my gaerne boots for 4 years, had to replace the soles but was happy to do so. Great boots.
Never had a pair but they'll definitely be my boot from now on if they keep making them Italy and don't go offshore.
My TCX Track EVO WP has served me well and show no sign of falling apart yet. (for adventure riding, touring and riding on ice, not so much on trails)
How long have you had them? I tried them on once in a shop and they felt VERY rigid. How has the flexibility for comfort vs. rigidity for safety evolved in time?
@@DragosDreamer1989 as I said, I don't ride technical enduro or anything, but for Street and adventure riding they are good. They where a bit stuff in the beginning but I guess as with all boots, they soften up a little bit over time. I like boots to be a but stiff since I feel like it would protect me better from breaking a bone or hyperextending something. In my riding I do a lot of it standing on the pegs and I don't feel like they are hindering my ability to ridy my bike.
I have found the best boots shouldn't loosen up over time. Ideally they have the ankle pivot point so they are easy to walk in, and enough internal padding to be comfortable right from the start. The TCX Track EVO looks like an adventure boot but I think the same principle should apply?
@@crosstrainingenduro hmm, you probably have a point there. If I remember correctly, they were a bit too stiff for comfortable walking in the beginning but that problem went away with use. That's the part I meant about them loosening up a bit, if that is a sign of a bad boot I guess it is then.
They might be fine. To me the real issue is doing some stress tests as shown in the vid... see how far you can bend the boots in different directions. Cheap boots still start with limited movement but after a while they get all floppy (see the Scott boots in the vid).
Bought a pair of second hand SG12's off an employee of the distributor. (After I broke my foot in a pair of Tech 3's) they are at least 3 years old now and in perfect condition. My only gripe is they are heavy. I guess that's what it takes to protect your foot properly.
Unfortunately weight is the downside of protection. My riding buddies wear Gaerne SG12 and I weighed those compared to my Crossfires... the Gaerne is only a fraction lighter. I used to wear Forma Predators, they were really heavy suckers, but I did hear the second generation boots were lighter.
The ones I can afford and do what I need them to do while riding. So Smiling!
Love my Forma Boulder trials boots. Super comfortable, stiff enough sole and quite durable so far (though not waterproof). 1 year of riding on them so far.
Using them for trials or more for dirt riding?
@@crosstrainingenduro Trials only, at this point. I honestly don't think they have enough protection for go-fast dirt riding.
Likewise, I only ever used my trials boots for trials or a ver easy adventure ride with mainly sealed roads involved.
Sidi crossfire 3 TA's around 3 year's old and doing great! Also l think wearing over the boot pants may help preserve your boot some. Just a theory 👍
Damn, I bought a pair of expensive sidi adventure boots last year, planning to wear them the next ten years. I didn't know about the sole problem haha. So far, so good, and they are extremely comfortable, also on walks.
When these break I'll get some mx-boots and put on hiking boots when not riding
There are plenty of guys who have zero issues with them... but of course in recent years quite a few do. Good news though, I saw very few complaints specifically about Sidi's adventure boots!
I had new Gaerne gx1, good budget boots but sole is too stiff for me. I was doing a wheelie on tarmac road, messed it up, jumped off and the impact was so strong that it tore my ACL and had minor fracture in knee. Maybe would have have happened with any other boot too, i can never know. Now during my recovery from surgery i bought new tech 7 for only 218 eur (must have been price mistake in supplier website, was fixed next day) and these seem to be way softer to land on. And of now il always wear kneebrace :) Then again, for my superbike track/streets i have had Gaerne boots from year 2014 and i still use these, very happy how they last and feel.
What do you mean by a stiff sole? You definitely want a stiff sole to protect your boot from just folding up in a direct impact and shattering all the bones in your foot. Did you mean lack of ankle flexibility and couldn't get to the rear brake? If so, that's where you really want to ensure you have boots with an ankle pivot point. Hope you heal up fast!
@@crosstrainingenduro by stiff/hard sole i mean it did not absorb the impact when i jumped off and planted my feet on tarmac when landed. Alpinestars is softer to land on. Il still keep my Gaernes for wet dirt riding, these boots have had only like 7 rides. Thank you for reply, love your channel.
After 1 full summer season and 1 winter season my tcx boots have held up quite well, premium made in China, nothing broken and the soft grippy peg contact is getting chowdered but the rest is like a brick armour, eh!
Bought a set of RST adventure boots that were meant to be gortex.. lasted one ride and they fell apart. Awesome!
What made it even better was that a fellow rider had the audacity to recommend them to me the bastard!
Never heard of them, Terry. Do you know where they are made? Lots of boots like this are made in China and you'll see the same design in other cheap brands... they just put another logo on them.
@@crosstrainingenduro never heard of RST? in the UK they are massive and are meant to price themselves on being British but I think they've now started being made in China as well! Shame though I have some leathers by RST and they're great
Let me know if you can find any inner label that says where they are made. Many brands try to make themselves sound made locally but they legally have to tell the truth on those tiny labels!
I had a pair of Alpine Stars in the 80’s and they were never particularly comfortable. I used them for years and I was amazed by the different in comfort whe I bought a pair of O’Neal boots some 10 or so years later. By that same token I wore those for many years and then bought a pair of MSR boots that were amazingly comfortable right out of the box. I just looked at them and made in China. That explains why the buckle on my right boot never closes the boot properly over my calf. But, for the money they’ve been fine.
Five years ago I wanted a pair of made in the USA leather hiking boots and bought a pair of Danners for $280. I still have them and wear them, had them resoled once but honestly they took a long time to break in, the heels on the insides of the boots are wearing out just like any of my other shoes and my made in Thailand Keen hiking boots are way more comfortable, 1/3rd of the price and I generally get a year out of them. I realize I’m comparing apples to oranges but unless you are riding all the time I don’t think it is worth the money to buy high end riding boots. The repairs needed on my Danners combined with the cost of the resole work will exceed the cost of the original purchase price. I view footwear as disposable now after this experience.
We'll have different criteria when it comes to boots for sure. And in that sense it's good we have a broad range to choose from.
I got a pair of Alpine stars. The hinge broke while still under warranty. They gave me a new set and the same hinge broke within about 20 rides. It appears the metal hinge wears thru which causes the head to come off. The rest of the boot is still fine and the fit is so comfortable but I am not so sure I will be getting another pair next time.
A shame to hear, Fransisco. Is it the cheapest Tech 3 made in Vietnam? They certainly aren't the boots they used to be when made in Italy a long long time ago.
@@crosstrainingenduro I didn't check where they were made. I don't think the problem had to do with low quality manufacturing. The problem is with the design. There is a pin for the hinge. Any sand that gets there acts like grinding paste when the boot moves. Eventually it grindss it off.
I have a hand rear brake so I don't for a my right foot much. That boot is fine. The left one is the one that has failed.
Nice vid mate have to keep it in mind for the next boots ATM I'm running Fox MX boots and I haven't had any problems
And I've had them for about 2 years and still going well
Great to hear, they certainly don't always fall apart for everyone.
@@crosstrainingenduro yeah the only thing is that the little tab thingy Bob is starting to come off but it's nothing so
I've been riding in the cheapest Chinese Scoyco for five years, and they can still break bricks, a couple of times the fastener fell off my left boot, sewed on and everything is ok. They are good in terms of protection, the main disadvantage is that they are too tough, and also get wet.
I use Alpinestar Tech 5. Pretty happy other than the 3rd ( of 4) buckle from the top never seems to want to fully clasp shut. it never comes open while riding but i can't say the same if i had an accident.
My Gaernes were from the mid 90s I rode with them a good 7 or 8 years then put them up after selling my dirt bikes. Recently I moved and threw them away being I had no plans of getting another dirt bike. Well plans changed and now I have no boots. They were still in great shape.
Occasionally we hear reports of guys still using them after 20 years, Jacob... I assume with a few sole replacements! I'm not sure if current versions will last that long as I hear the EU is ruling out certain adhesives that can be dangerous for the boot assemblers. But Gaerne are still the longest lasting boot by a long shot, going by owner comments.
In my book Sidi is number one. I have sidi sport boot, sidi trial boots. sidi enduro boots - never let me down. Second place is Gaerne, very good enduro boots (SG12) but trial one had to return them as was sawn badly hurting my foot. I only buy those two brands anyway, because other I tried lasted only season or two so not worthy.
My tech 5s were shit used them on an adventure ride and had a hole in them after a month and a half, they wouldn't warranty them either. Great vids man keep it up
Which country, Ben? Alpinestar in the USA have a pretty good reputation for customer support. But in Australia most of the big distributors offer 100% shit aftersales service.
Canada, the dealer i got them from told me they couldn't warranty them because they were no longer making the tech 5s.I wasn't super impressed but i did only paid a around 220 CAD for them.
Like most brands it’s a race to the bottom to make the cheapest crap possible. If we don’t support brands like Gaerne they’ll be forced to move production overseas too. I just picked up a pair of the SG12 boots by Gaerne and they are spectacular. They make them in 1/2 sizes too but most shops only carry full sizes. I found size 9.5 and they fit perfectly. I highly recommend spending more to not only get top quality but to support the maker so they’re not forced to move production overseas.
I agree, John. As mentioned I have no affiliation with Gaerne at all but I think it's really important to support the few brands who are still focused on making a quality product in their own country where they can monitor quality control very closely.
Don't forget, when you buy a pair of top quality second hand, it also comes with a free bout of foot rot.
🤣 Yeah I figure you'd want to give them a good powdering of that anti-tinea stuff.
I use sidi, forma and fox love those boots 👍
I've been know to destroy cheap boots in only a season, but my Tech 5s have been holding up nicely and they feel very sturdy and safe.
Good to hear, it seems to be hit and miss a lot of the time. Despite the low reputation with the Fox boots, occasionally some guys would say they were still coping with lots of abuse after two years.
@@crosstrainingenduro Sounds like I got a bit lucky then. My first pair of boots were Fly Racing Maverik boots and I completely tore through them in only 10 months.
We should never cheap-out with our safety equipment, right?
But one thing that might come into the equation, many out there do not ride the same terrain as others or ride highly technical terrain as some. Honestly where I live up in the mountains some of the riding areas I visit many riders think the bunny-trails are super technical courses. Many of us have a different definition of radical trails. So for some the cheap Fox stuff may be adequate, I’ll continue to spend my rubles on GAERNE 🏆
It's a tough call, Mark. Personally I think never cheap-out on boots. Or if you have to, buy a pair of secondhand Gaerne SG12 or Forma Predators. I think you can go budget on everything if you must... for example, you can get cheap helmets now that have the key safety features. But you'll want to keep an eye on those steel brackets for rust.
Just got Forma Adventure boots, they are great, one of the few boots to fit my large calves. US size 10 17.5" calves.
How were they priced against the Gaerne adv boots? Last time I looked it was pretty similar. But I cheaped out and got Fusport adv boots.
If I'm buying China I might as well pay China prices. Been very satisfied with ONeal Riders for past year. I have a wide foot (13EEE US), and the size 14 fits great.
My Alpinestar Tech 3 bought on 2018 (model with some leather parts) after 5000 km of trails and rallys needed some glue here and there, just one new clip, but still good to go for the next 10 months (I hope 😂). After that, I will try Gaerne entry level for the first time.
By the way, here in Brazil there is a major local brand name Aero Sportwear, lower price but a good cost / benefit relation for casual and trail riders.
That's interesting Gus. Do you know if the boots are made in Brasil?
@@crosstrainingenduro yes they were, but last year their factory was destroied by fire (really) and today I checked their website to see more info and there was an advertising "going worldwide"... that usually means "we sold our company and our prodution will be in China" rsrs ... I will check that 👊✊
ruclips.net/video/i5Judt_8tgI/видео.html 4 years ago... asw factory in Brazil
That will be sad if they do move production to China, Gus.
Sidi boots run one Euro size smaller than Gaerne boots. The SG12 and the Sidi Crossfire 3 TA fit exactly the same if you buy one Euro size larger of the Sidi.
Brilliant. Very useful as I'm in the market. Message recieved loud and clear😀
Hope it helps, Mark. I personally think boots are the most critical piece of gear to lay out the cash for longevity and protection!
Sidi quality did came down. I bought my 6th pair few months ago (2020 crossfire AT for enduro, they are my 5th crossfire AT) and this will be my last. My first pair I got was in 1979 for trials and I still have them. Now they don't use real leather any where on the 👢, the bottom soule is not flat, and I can feel the boot bending when touching a rock or branch. I used to trust them.
It's a real sham, Estuardo. I bought my first pair a long time ago and they lasted for hundreds of rides. Eventually a seam split so I retired them as a my backup boots. I'm still using my second pair but little thing started going wrong with them after just a few months. The moment something seriously goes wrong I'll be out there buying some Gaerne SG12 boots.