The Truth Behind the SAT Essay
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Can talk about the 14 year old who did the entire study all by himself
YA
Me at 16: *Can't even study my syllabus* 👁️💧👄💧👁️
@@chunnilal2111 me who never even got the syllabus and didnt bother asking for it
It isn’t hard to do a study when provided the data though…
@@nopep5606 Bro what? Lol
Fun fact: A college student wrote a long essay, but they only wrote the first paragraph, after that, they started rambling about random stuff, about how dumb the teachers are for not seeing it, and even had multiple Loren ipsum paragraphs, and they still got an A.
Lol what? That’s hilarious. Is there something I can search to learn more?
legendary
My mom did the same thing in hs/uni! Crazy…
My dad told me that a friend of his transcribed a soccer match in an exam, even included a full page of with the word "goooo...ooool", and got 100%
@nachoijp HAHAHAHAHA
For those who don’t know, the graders for collegeboard essays have less than a minute to grade a full essay
So maybe give them more fucking time-
@@lulolie
Sure. But also: some of us have minor writing disabilities and would rather not deal with that shit.
That's crazy, in my country the only way to get into college is by doing exams, and all of them have essays included, but the graders have like at least 20 minutes to grade each, and i think most exams have every essay to be graded at least twice, by different people
@@fulana_de_tal most college board essays are like that. One of my AP teachers, a grader, grades our in class essays as if they were college board and can do them all in less than 45 minutes with feedback because he’s done it so much and seen the prompt so many times that he is intimately familiar with what goes on in a good vs. bad essay.
@@pokemagetech Why tf would a grader for SATs have a writing disability?
I feel so bad for those who were denied because of this. High schools always emphasize writing less and focusing more on detail and skill, but imagine how many students with potential got denied because they followed what their high schools told them..
I don't know what high-school you went to but it was the complete opposite 10 years ago for me 😂
@Lex Bright Raven we also don't have standardized _standards_ let alone effective measures for ability.
Isn't it better in the real world to be succinct and eloquent?
Nah high school want things to be pointless long
Correlation not causation. There is a correlation between length of an essay and its qaulity.
"Length doesn't matter, its what's inside that counts." -MIT Writing Director Les Perelman
Poor tall people
it has a good personality..
Pp
We live in a society 😔
That's not what she said 💀💀
Sigh, good. Feel bad for those who were judged unfairly. Quality over quantity, but I guess the people grading them don't understand that...
Quantity over quality
In essays, quantity is often connected to quality.
I don’t blame the people grading, I wouldn’t want to sit through thousands of 700+ word essays either
@@AveRay_ exactly “, imagine not writing enough for your COLLEGE essay. I bet you will hop on 2k for a couple hours though.
@@idontevenknowanymorelol2062 you have to pay to take the SAT and the graders get payed so I expect them to do their job
They really are teaching us that the way to become good at communicating is to be as convoluted with the words and definitions to lengthen the word count, instead of making everything short but easy to understand
Based on your comment, yes they are.
However, I have doubts about this study. In my experience, the students who write the longer essays wrote better essays.
Long essays, worst case scenario, contain as much or less information than a short one and the rest is filler garbage. I have honestly never read an essay like this.
A longer essay may be filled with superfluous explanation and irrelevant detail. It may ramble and lack clarity. These I have read. But I found my teachers and professors punished these essays appropriately. They discarded the useless bits, deducted marks in the communication criteria, and fairly assessed the rest of the content.
A long essay may also be so absurdly long that the student made no meaningful effort to restrict the scope of their work or deliberately violated the word limit grotesquely. These were also always marked down severely or not marked at all.
No. What I find is usually, the shorter than average essays were poorly written, the ideas were not clearly communicated or researched and overall they lacked application.
Longer than average essays were so because the student had researched more, put more thought into what they wanted to say and had drafted much more than the task assigned. They then set about culling paragraphs, then deleting sentences and finally tightening up their phrases so their prose was most efficient.
Of course their still over the word limit. They worked too hard to get rid of that key point, and that sentence is simply too good to shorten for the sake of three words.
In the end, compared to a slightly better essay that was slightly shorter, maybe a longer essay has some unfair advantage.
But in general, I find that quality correlates with quantity when it comes to written work produced by students undergoing assessment. They write more because they want to say more, because they know more, which is why they get the better mark.
@@emilchandran546 this is the SAT, the graders domt give af because theyre not their students
Any degree with a genuine need for skilled communication will have you do technical writing courses. Or at least that's what the university I go to does.
@@emilchandran546lol the joke is that u give a convoluted word filling long response just like they want us to, right? right?
@@soulsearcher7077 the joke is that people believe this bullshit. People who are capable of, and willing to, write longer essays than their peers are obviously, on average, much more capable of writing well. The SAT got rid of the essay portion because it costs a lot to have graders go over them all and competitive colleges already make you submit essays to evaluate.
I have always hated "fluffy" writing. When the text repeats itself or doesn't say anything for several sentences. So I don't write that way. It is one of the better reasons I tend to have short essays.
I remember my AP English teacher wasn’t very good, but there was a piece of literature that has stuck with me for a while, that being Orwell’s essay on politics and the English language. The essential point of it is that good language, language that communicates effectively and efficiently is language that is precise
I fucking hate it.
The kid was 14 and did a whole study on it? I'm 14 too what am i doing in my life😐
Ikr, he just casually doing _studies_ in his free time while the rest of us are just watching YT and playing video games 😂😂
kid is a different breed
Damn that sucks
Something you enjoy hopefully
@@rollxrsmash3591why are you talking like that when you didn't even use the right you're
Don’t worry man just keep studying and working out, I’m 13 and already am better at maths and science than 15-16yr olds
Based off of my SAT/ACT scores I should have struggled through college. I graduated top of my class. I knew other people who did poorly on the tests and still excelled in college. I knew some who did well on the tests and dropped out after being on academic probation. These tests really don’t show anything most of the time, so it really wouldn’t be a bad thing if they went away.
If you don’t mind me asking. What was your SAT/ACT scores?
Exactly, ACT SAT scores don’t mean jack shit
When a kid the same age as you runs an entire study but then there’s you scrolling through yt shorts even though you know you have an assignment and three tests due tomorrow
I took the SAT 4 times trying to get a higher score (I was an overachiever) and knew that the section I was lacking in was always the essay portion, but I could never earn those extra points to make it across the threshold for a top 1 percentile score, despite turning in what I thought were high quality essays. I prefer to write my essays concisely and struggled to make it to word minimums throughout high school. I got into college and the lecturers in my writing seminars said to just ignore the minimums if I felt that I had established my arguments sufficiently, and I never let that aspect of my writing bother me again. Glad to know that I was right about the bias towards longer essays. I had a classmate who earned a higher essay score than me and they padded out their essay with song lyrics 🙃.
Word limits are terrible and should not exist,
Ex.
I and a coworker make a summary of what our workplace does for people, i make it a sentence long the other writes a three page essay, which one can go on a billboard? An essay or a couple sentences
I remember writing the core essentials in a short but stacked essay once and my friend next to me wrote the same essay but made it much longer by Repeating the same things over and over in different ways. literally when you read it you would start to get annoyed by how much she repeated it. somehow, she got an A while I got a C-.
I always feel stressed because, in essays, there's always a word/character limit that you have to/should pass. I barely never pass it, or if I do pass it, it's most likely just me rambling around trying to make sense by adding different viewpoints etc. Then my teacher says that it all doesn't add up together-
Holy fuck i knew my essay grad was BS, but now it makes sense since I wrote a shorter one
Honestly same. I thought i did decent on mine despite it being short. Didn't get a great grade on it.
In Spanish class in high school I had a teacher who always graded homework and assignments based on "is there sufficient writing in this page" but never actually read the writing on the page. I realized this when I got something clearly wrong and she didn't say or do anything about it. So then I wrote something like "if you read this I need help" in English. She said and did nothing different, just marked it 10/10 homework grade. Now that my suspicion was confirmed I just started writing movie spoilers on every blank, in English. I got a perfect homework score in that class.
College freshman and highschool: The longer the better
College Senior and Working: Explain it to me in 5 minutes otherwise I don't want it.
I was thinking of just writing the entire storyline of Metal Gear Rising for my SAT essay.💀
I think it would catch an eye when you ramble about memes for half a paragraph
Bro the College Board is my worst enemy istg
I hear this so often that it annoys me, but I think it deserves repeating here. CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION.
During school when they make us write longer and longer essays to "prepare for collegue" I realize that to reach the number of words I end writting a lot of filler.... and it worked
and to make it worst, during actual collegue (in my career itself they barely ask for essays, but during the "nivelation" there was an obligatory communication class "because engineers don´t know how to socialize and we want to change that") they actually ask me to write LESS... and it was hard to write less once I get used to elongate my sentences so much
*essays are NOT a good way to qualify something if you use a points system because in an essay there are few quantifiable factors that are actually important*
I remember talking to one of my classmates who got a higher score than me on the essay, and she proclaimed that she didn’t know why because half way through she just “gave up” and wrote about her day. My essay was long, but it also made sense for the topic. There was no reason that her substantially longer essay that 2 paragraphs in stopped making sense, should earn a higher score than anyone else.
This 14 year old needs a nobel oeace prize for saving high schoolers across the nation
I fuckin hated the SAT essay but I wrote 3 small paragraphs and got the highest score
The CollegeBoard needs to be dissolved in its entirety.
Yea i learned this trick in SAT prep, so we were taught to write 6-8 paragraphs. Didn't matter if we kept re writing the same thing but worded differently, as long as it was a long essay, you got higher scores.
love that you shouted out the student!
it’s probably just because if you have more things written down than you have a higher chance of getting things that are good in your essay (if that makes sense)
It's like the infinite monkeys on typewriters infinitely thing, eventually a monkey will write the perfect essay
But also a higher chance of having wrong things it doesnt balance
@@thedugdugman45 college board doesn’t take away points. They only add points. Having a clarity point might help this a little bit, as it means you now have to be effective at communicating at everything else.
Yea I don't get it, stands to reason a longer essay would get a higher score
I had the exact opposite happen to me on one of my essays, I wrote a piece that was several pages long, for what was supposed to be a short essay assignment and ended up getting a D. I loved that essay and still believe it to be the best thing I've written haha. My friend who put in no effort and wrote the minimum possible with sentences like "Freedom is important because it would be bad without it" got an immediate A+. Afterwards the teacher had us evaluate his grades to see if it was fair, and why we thought that way. I wrote another essay explaining my thoughts, and found out at graduation (2 years later) he never read those anyways. We had a laugh and he even apologized through my sister 2 years after graduation about that one grade I disagreed with, still a favorite teacher of mine regardless of the incident haha.
MIT student here. I definitely was suspicious why my essay score was about average when I got a 36 lol. I’m just not a fast writer
I wrote a great essay, and I pride myself on keeping things brief. I got a terrible score and I still am not over it
This is why good essay writing should have word limit to them. If you can't write a good one, means you can't articulate your thoughts properly nor you have one if you just write random thrash.
One thing to consider is that in the longer essays, they very likely went deeper into the details than the people who wrote shorter essays. As long as they were actually read through and considered, I'd wager the grade differential would be justified
Those grading the essays have on average one minute per essay to grade. The odds are they just didn’t have time to read the longer essays, and erred on the side of assuming they were good. Having more time to mull over a shorter essay means they had more time to be genuinely critical.
that. makes a lot of sense. i remember writing an essay that i was super proud of and not understanding why it got a 4. at least now i have closure
I love the visuals of this using paper and drawings with a marker and the hand bringing them up... very pleasant and interesting.. better than slideshows and the rest. Thank you!
My name is Milo!
Courage is the ladder on which all the other virtues mount.
i’m glad i have sats tomorrow
Huh?!! Why does this video didn't get viral?
This sums up my entire experience with the field of writing.
I do this is exams too, when ever I want to make an essay I always make my essays longer hoping I get a higher grade, and it works
I wrote really short essays and scored like 8/24 on the essay section, but I don’t think it was taken into account for college acceptances
Looking at SAT prep books, I can clearly see this. Especially in the official SAT study guide, they showed us a lot of examples and I can quickly see that the low scores are short and the high scores are very long.
Yeah this was a known thing for a while. All SAT prep courses taught people to simply "keep writing till you run out of space or time is up"
Well I thought that was obvious. The longer the essay the more effort which results in a better essay. During my History class yesterday, our internet was out so I wrote a 2 paged essay over WWII. It wasn’t the best, because I only had 1 hour and didn’t revise it, but my teacher was impressed.
Feels like the times I tried to make a willfully short series of essays proved the point
As someone who recently took the sat essay bit and wrote a shorter one because im used to it and got the points i needed in that short bit
FUCK
Writes an essay consisting of 10 pages of *"All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy"*
College board: I ain't reading allat
Hardest part of this job is not getting replaced by automation
Correlation doesn't always mean causation. The longer essays might have had more in-depth analysis which caused them to fetch higher scores.
I think the reason behind longer essays getting higher Mark's is because how much and when they detail the topic, that's a key to remember when and how much detailed
This gives me great confidence knowing I got an A* and wrote about a quarter as much as the avarage
A longer essay will cover it all.
The reason for this is that people who wright longer essays are the ones that care, so the essays are better
I loved the essay part. Easiest perfect score outside of math to show off to colleges who cared. I just filled every single page they gave.
There were actually so many SATs at one point in my county hired 3rd party people to grade the SAT there were even ads on Craigslist for the job.
I doodled and slept thru the rest of the time for the essay section💀
It’s my floor I took the SAT I hated every second of it. It made me mad bad That the SATs are no longer required but I am also glad that no one else has to deal with that he’ll. It’s like a happy angry feeling.
I remember my friend tested to go to a charter school, and it turned out the computer program just counted how many big words you used.
Oh man it's been a long time but I was slightly stoned and rambled on forever writing about Kofi Annan. I don't remember much of that day but I remember writing until both of my hands were cramped. I got a nearly perfect score. My only previous knowledge of Mr. Annan was a single article I read in Foreign Affairs...
This is why I rambled and put it random stuff mid paragraph
I didn’t do the writing portion of the sat. I did for the act and it was my lowest score. I hope that we soon get rid of all standardized testing.
College is still pretty much like this at least for me, the teachers do care about the work you put in but the school system only cares that you are meeting the word count.
Ive been using this shit since the 2nd grade. I always found that if its longer or appears longer it gets the better grade regardless of the effort i put into it.
Thanks dude, so glad i didnt have to do that
Lol our college prep instructor straight up told us to do that. Like don’t be concise
Milo beckman was my math tutor for the SHSAT! He‘s really smart and just a cool person overall 😊
this is awesome because i suck at writing long essays but i don’t think my essay actually sucks
After just doing a final essay exam this scares me
i bet those small essays have a good personalities
So glad I took the SAT before the essay was a thing
You know, this explains a lot. I took the SAT a couple times, when the essay was optional. The time I took the essay I got a lower score, and I also remember having a really short essay 'cause the topic given was one I just didn't have much to say about.
It’s because the type of person that puts in the effort to make a longer essay probably also put in the effort to make a better essay
So happy my state still requires them 🙃
Graders be like “ dang I’m not reading all of this….90%! “
This was always the funniest parts about English class they’d say “they don’t have to be long to be good” but then never show us an example of a lesser paper being longer than a better one.
That crap continued even into college, professors continually ask for papers longer than 6 pages, I'm like "alright but only 2 pages are going to have any real substance"
Fun fact, it’s up to the states to decide, and as of 2023 the essay took place and will continue to
One time i wrote a beautiful first two paragraphs of a science project then wrote a bunch of random shit and made it over 20 pages and my teacher personally came up to me and said she was very impressed and gave me an extra point and i was like oh thank when i knew damn well she didn’t read it
Quality breeds quantity.
That's not to say that there wasn't an unfair bias, but the fact should be remembered.
Man, my graduate year was the last time the SATs existed
There’s a story here in Finland that some teacher graded essays solely by taking a ruler and measuring the length. So some madlad wrote a pancake recipe and got the highest score.
Bruh this reminds of the time I made an 84 slide presentation on the Industrial Revolution (the example slide was 10) and I got a 97 meaning my history *actually* went through the whole thing. Yet some teachers don’t even pay attention to the quality of their student’s essays
I wrote a fairly standard, middle-of-the-pack essay and received a perfect score. Honestly didn’t believe I deserved it but I’d believe it if someone told me they just randomly assigned scores
Fun fact this is also true for state tests in highschool and middle school. We were "taught" that as long as you are still on subject or close enough just keep writing till you run out of lines/pages to write on.
Ah, the fascinating and perplexing world of essay length and quality correlation! It is indeed a peculiar phenomenon that we find ourselves pondering. One cannot deny that the existence of such a correlation is not necessarily a cause for distress. After all, one could argue that individuals who dare to present incomplete essays deserve a justly low score, thus implying a connection between brevity and subpar quality. Hence, it would be reasonable to anticipate a mild correlation between the length of an essay and its overall caliber.
Now, let us divert our attention to the lofty realms of overachievers, those zealous souls who endeavor to expand their arguments to the utmost extent and embrace multiple perspectives. In their zealous pursuit of academic excellence, it is not unfathomable to imagine that their lengthy compositions would be bestowed with higher scores. For in their voluminous offerings, they demonstrate a willingness to explore every nook and cranny of their topic, leaving no stone unturned in their quest for intellectual glory.
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In contemplating this intricate web of ideas, one might argue that even if the producer of such a RUclips short were to consider the aforementioned arguments, why should they labor to craft a nuanced and thoughtful piece when the siren call of clickbait beckons? Alas, my friend, the allure of garnering attention through exaggerated titles and eye-catching thumbnails often proves irresistible in the realm of digital content creation.
Thus, we find ourselves entangled in a web of interconnections, where the length of an essay, the motivations of overachievers, and the captivating allure of RUclips shorts all converge. It is a realm where correlation dances with causation, and where the pursuit of depth and intellectual nuance often gives way to the whims of popular appeal. Oh, the complex tapestry of human communication and its ever-evolving mediums!
There needs to be a ranked mode for academical topics like math and science and your ranked rating is used for going into college
Man I definitely got shafted
I believe this to be true, because on multiple occasions, I was told that I didn’t write enough solely based on the length of the essay not the context within
Bro I’ll just write an essay saying “lol” 1000 times and boom
Milos the rex always solves the day
We used to write movie stories in the middle to fill up the 99% of the essay.😂
So true because i had an ethics paper this semestet where i didnt know what i was talking about but i wrote 3 pages more than the minimum and got a 95%
I remember that my english teacher in hs had us write a book and only focused on how many words or chapter we had. Schools should focus on quality over quantity, not the other way around.
Yep I had to write an essay for my SAT and it was the hardest part. I have no doubt it brought down my score.
I remember being taught this in school before we took it.
Tike for the 5000word essay🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well now I feel less bad about getting a low score on only that part
Something similar happened to me. My English teacher made us write some journal entries for a book we were reading. I took my time and wrote some lengthy ones while my classmates wrote short, but meaningful entries. When it came to the grading, most of my colleagues got D's for making them short while I got an A because my entries were lengthy.