Is India The World's Oldest Civilisation? | The News9 Plus Show
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Excavations in Tamil Nadu reveal the beginning of iron age in the state. The findings have pushed back the clock on the Indus civilisation by several thousand years. Join New9 Plus Editor Sandeep Unnithan, Neeraj Rai, scientist at BSIP and archaeologist, Prof Dr Vasant Shinde as they discuss the new findings and what they reveal about India's glorious past. Download the News9 Plus app for more such insightful content.
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This Prof Dr Vasant Shinde seems, he cant digest the findings that leads tamil to be an oldest civilization in India. Very jealous.
Vasanth Shinde and Neeraj Rai has deliberately given this interview to misrepresent the evidence-based archaeological excavation results found in Tamil Nadu.
The Copper Age did not necessarily precede the Iron Age. Periods may have evolved depending on the resources available in a region.
It is well known that Hindutva interference exists in the Archaeological Survey of India. They have been trying to hide the history of South India for years.
The problem lies with his understanding about iron. Iron won't exist in an inert and native state like gold. Iron exists in nature as an ore as mostly Iron oxides. And in order to make weapons from iron ore they need to know-
1. How to separate iron from iron ore?(Iron oxides)
2. How to separate the impurities? (Carbon and other metal impurities)
3. How to make it rust free?(by adding carbon and at what percentage will determine quality of iron)
And the findings and evidence shows that it is indeed iron found in earth and not from meteorological sources. If so then it is already confirmed that Tamil people had that technology 5300 years back in its final form.
So it is already proven that iron technology exists in tamilnadu. No further evidence is needed to prove it any further as it is also found that this is iron from earth and not made from something fallen from the sky😂 (not meteorological iron).
So the question now is, how long did it take for the Tamil civilization to perfect this craft of making iron weapons and it will at least take us a few 1000 years back from the already 5300 years.
So this Dr. Shinde is either stupid(which isn't the case) or has some bias or political agenda towards Tamil civilization and its ancestry, as it is questioning the legitimacy of 'Sanskrit is the mother of all' theory. He will need some time to adjust his mindset and will eventually come to accept this truth. Truth alone Triumphs.
It is showing indians never ever likes Tamil
@@perambu3441 Exactly. The archaeology department in India still goes with the mindset of Western civilization of copper should come first before Iron.
Is Shinde an archaeologist Professor? What a funny comment about the TN government doing this research for the last 15 years and publishing many platforms with all the findings for the past few years. He said, "Just read some information. You do not know what the TN did; you come here introducing yourself as archaeologists." You guys can’t accept the truth and scientific proof evidence. Finally, I want to inform you that Tamil is not a language. *Tamil is the Art of life*, and language is the only way for human beings to attain immortality. That is the way our ancestors crafted and created cultures to live humanity. It came from very far away; no one can estimate how it was crafted and lived until now. It is always a living language at any time.
Also, Tamil taught us not to be against anything into this universe, but when something harms our autonomy and Tamil identity, we can’t accept it. I want to share some information from millions of Sangam literature, which many Siddars wrote in their Tamil poetry; only the Tamil language can help humans attain enlightenment and immortality. One example from the Sangam literature book is where Kakabhujandars wrote how many thousands of years ago, “the whole universe would reach out to learn the Tamil language and only speak Tamil the entire universe”.
It is well known that Hindutva interference exists in the Archaeological Survey of India. They have been trying to hide the history of South India for years.
K. Amarnath Ramakrishna was the first to explore the Rakhigari excavation site, but Vasant Shinde claimed the honor by submitting only papers. In 2017, after a successful excavation in Keezhadi, Tamil Nadu, the ASI immediately transferred Amarnath. ASI did this to thwart Tamil Nadu's excavation success.
Vasanth Shinde and Neeraj Rai has deliberately given this interview to misrepresent the evidence-based archaeological excavation results found in Tamil Nadu.
The Copper Age did not necessarily precede the Iron Age. Periods may have evolved depending on the resources available in a region.
these jelous north indians , if thiswas found in north india, they will immediately claim itwas from the
It's Tamil civilization u fools talking about Northern part history. Money funded by TN govt not Center we Tamils don't want aryans approval.
According to you tamils created everything at the expense of the rest of India including the other southern states. Such an arrogant attitude.
@deejay5224 Yes
@@deejay5224 don't know English I said for the excavation TN govt funded .. not whole India.
@@jagadeshnarasimha9464hariyana is oldest
"Bharat" also first king of hariyana kuru empire
@@lipun1531Understanding why not such South Indians but also International History Institutions seeing ASI functioning more like pseudohistoricians.
India is not the oldest civilzation , its tamil and tamil.people are the oldest civilzation on earth ...
Losa nee Tamilnadu india la, tha iruku
Oldest Tamlk grammar book - Agastyattam by Tamil Sage - Agastya, Mentioned in HIndu Scriptures. Cholas were not Ricebags or Muslims, they were HIndus amd built HInd God Temples to Ganesha, Shiva, Parvati, Vishnu etc.
So what the hell do you mean Tamils are not Indians ? Stalin is not India, He is Russiam, ask him to leav India.
@@heartofbuddha63 Ye LTTE JAaisa banna cahte hai India ke liye ..... Ye sare Christian ban gaye hai kalwr
Tamilnadu is in india .
Tamils are hindus .
Success of South, is entire India ‘s success among world nations 🦚🕉️👍🏼
What a shame? Someone is coming and giving his opinion without reading the reports. Looks like he doesn't want to read it ever and is just dismissive. The second guest at least heard of the news of the report but still hesitant. After his comments on his project, it's nothing but laid back and dismissive about TN projects. Thanks channel to bring out the face of our national experts
Thooo 💦
Tamil brahmi dates to 685BC, but graffiti in tamil nadu dates to 3000BC. This clearly show tamil is far older than sanskrit.
No it is not.
Let Yajnadevam's Paper publish after full decipherment ur delusions will vanish automatically.
both Languages are very Old.
One language has its origin in Northern west Iranian Farmers other is Origined with South Asian Hunter gatherers.
@@kshatriyarajput4908it's not delusion... Trying ur best to oppose lol... Awake urself from sleep. This is proposed based on recent iron scientific evidence. During the iron age of TN, Indus valley civilization flourished at the same time. And many artifacts, findings of Tamil civilization have remarkable similarities as that founded in Indus valley civilization region. Scientifically, this will be proved soon with enough evidence ! One more thing, first known DNA about 70000 years ago in India was found in Tamilnadu recently.
@@kshatriyarajput4908 Suddenly the statement become both language are oldest than Sanskrit is the olderst... LOL
How? What if you find a telugu scripture in Assam next week? That's 8000 years old. Please don't be so sure of something without a lot of proof. There's Sanskrit inscriptions written in Tamil (carved in stone). Do you understand what this means? Also , What Graffiti dates back to 3000bc this isn't verifiable? Is it? If there is very good. I would be extremely proud of Tamil language (it's also our language only), but I don't think that claim is correct.
@@garajraj dumb i never made Blind claims like u dumb Tamil nationalist for me both languages are oldest in Subcontinent.
One has its origin and Formation happened in North Among the people with Iranian Neolithic Related ancestry and other language had its roots with First HG of south Asia.
Shitdae😂- he said he didn't read he just heard the news but commenting about testing methods....also the areas will develop weapons from what they have as source ore... Typical north indian idealogy
This is the mentality of so called archaeologists 😂
Ignore them ....they can't digest anything 😂
It's obvious, Tamil civilization the core for all other cultures.
Tamil, Hindu, Bhaarat same thing. World india newly coinedb y Greek Invaders.
@@heartofbuddha63at that time no india existed 😂
no
Is something found in excavation in north its sanskrit civilization but wen in tamilnadu south its indian civilization 😂
No if something found in north it's Sanskrit civilization if anything found in tamil nadu it's davida civilization .
Yes😂😂
@@kollurubharathsimha539Kudos bro. I'm from Southern yet people bump into conclusion that South are superior.
@@dojuvaduno civilization start from sapt sindhu gangatic plane
Because it's have good soil for cultivation
@ I was talking about Aryans vs Dravidian. Both had equal share in making todays India. Both had extensive knowledge on one thing making it superior India not just North and South. that's what I was saying.
It's Tamil Civilization...
India didn't existed then ....until the European merchants arrived
Its hard to digest for pro sanskrit people ( one who still believes sanskrit is the old language) ......that birth place of iron age is from Land of Tamils .
I don't know what you are talking about. I am a Hindu and a follower of Vedas and Upanishads no matter from where they came from.
@@Arvind-Disura land of Tamils? Are today's borders of Tamil Nadu same as they were 5000 or 8000 years ago? Or even a 1000? Please don't spread this sort of foolishness. What if all of India is following tamil culture only? What if Sanatan Dharm is originally tamil culture? You do know some of the oldest text are Sanskrit but written in a different script? Even in Tamil , they have been carved. I think in Syria too. Anyway, the truth is not known, no need to fight over it. As a North Indian I'm proud if Tamil is the oldest language of the world. Or telugu, some form of ancient Magadi, doesnt matter to me. It's all ours. Also North India has 8000 yr olds sites, disproving the invasion theory. It's not even taught as a probable theory anymore. And India is mentionef as country of Bharat with specifications in old puranas okay? Dating back to more than 2k years could be 5k. So keep this coloniser rhetoric to yourself
@@handleonhere lol sanatan dharma is not tamil culture, that is definite for sure. If you read tamil literary works you will understand. Sanatan dharma is not hinduism. Understand the definition of himduism before commenting aggressively
@@handleonhereeven if that's the case why not the reverse why can't Santana dharma come from Tamil then to vedas. Yes Tamil nadu borders are not the same because it was 5000 years ago. Even the British ruled all around the world but now it's just a small island but would accept that they didn't influence the world at all. Remember you are writing in English
@@handleonhereTamil is the mother of Sanskrit
I'm From U.P. Tamil nadu is one of our treasurers, any Tamilian please dont take any criticism in a negative light. This happened with north Indian sites as well. Like the one found in north west up. Also there's an 8k year old site in Haryana I think, we need to dig more. We'll find more history right here in different different parts of India
Tamilian here...what have you said to get insulted by here? True, ancient people who lived in Tamil Nadu way back then also lived all over India back then...so very reasonable thing to say
@anunarayanasamy8872 not me, the other comments are criticising North Indians
Brother 1947 before no india .now we are india .we are talking old years history so that time we are tamil peoples
@@handleonhere this is because all these so called archaeologists can't consider anything if any findings which isn't relevant to sanskrit, Vedas etc...
They did the same with Tamil brahmi(Tamizhi) words.
@@handleonhere majority of these people comes with pre conceived notion that indian history comes from Vedas but these is no proof for it.
Many archeological reports still doesn't released eg: adhichanallur excavation.
Without studying the Tamilnadu findings Mr. Sindhe commits is not good.
Prof.Shinde
First U need to re sit for Ur examination 😂
Half knowledge professor
well said. he should clear his outstanding arrear also
Tamil Nadu 🔥 Rocked.. BJP sanghi s shocked 😮😮
Be Proud to speak Tamil , at the same time
unity of every Indian is prosperous & strength, which is absolute power for democracy 👍🏼
Isn't the BJP act or dislike on the matter but most of Sanskrit supremacy biased people. Even Congress supporters are more or less the same.
First of all the person who is being interviewed need to fully study the findings rather than give his statement without even going through the study report.
say its Tamil civilisation ,were was india.
Then where are you from now then which country you are living in tell me bro tell me 😂
@manoharudutha2670 we live in tamil Country
@@blackpinkmawifey4708 Then why are using the indian goverment for everthing out there. If there is no support from the Indian government then there will be no tamil nadu then.
Why North indian peoples pronounce IRON as iRRon instead of R silent as ion !!
It can be pronounced in both the ways also
@@ananthsaga4611 No check google, British, American and even Indian Pronunciation have "R" as silent, These guys lack education.
Is funny that both bias sanki archiologists telling the result comes from only carbon dating .this is the result from both carbon dating and light emmision test.
If any people in India expect tamilnadu achive anything people are appreciating that we are in Indians if tamilans done same as things suddenly saying don't make joke , and show me the proof like that why what our people done to another state people to do like this we are also part India 🇮🇳 and we are Indian's and our people also services in Indian Army and dying for nation we are also top tax paying State people our nation then why this criticism ...
Brother and Sister Tamil language it has own Pride Tamil are speaking in Srilanka Malaysia Singapore Indonesian and South Korea ( there many similarities ) even you see Chinese people many learning Tamil ... Is any country people showing interest in learning other language in India'... Not yet
Tamil alphabet (247) -Ayuda alphabet pronunciation -1 Vowel -12 Consonant -18 Vowel -216
Tamil-Brahmi script has been paleographically and stratigraphically dated between the third century BCE and the first century CE, and it constitutes the earliest known writing system evidenced in many parts of Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Sri Lanka.
The places are Keezhadi(not fully completed )and its surrounding areas (Konthagai, Agaram, Manalur) in Sivaganga district (Phase VIII), Sivakalai in Thoothukudi district (Phase-III), Gangaikondacholapuram in Ariyalur district (Phase III), Mayiladumparai in Krishnagiri district (Phase-II), Vembakottai in Virudhunagar district, and Most oldest is adichanallur archaeological site(still not start process ) and Mangulam Madurai Tamil Brahmi inscription 270-BCE
The Tolkappiyam belongs to second Sangam period. Iravatham Mahadevan dates the Tolkappiyam to no earlier than the 2nd century CE, as it mentions the puḷḷi being an integral part of Tamil script
Finally Indians will come to conclusion that Sanskrit is the old language in India oops sorry in world whatever proof is given Indian's will say all' language except Tamil there ego won't leave them to accept ....
திருமந்திரம் “அணுவில் அணுவினை, ஆதிப் பிரானை அணுவில் அணுவினை ஆயிரம் கூறு இட்டு அணுவில் அணுவை அணுகவல் லார்கட்கு அணுவில் அணுவை....
Thirumantiram is a Tamil poetic written in the 2nd century BCE and 4th century CE by Tirumular. Written about NUCLEAR REACTION
Without any modern technology is anything like this in Sanskrit or any other Indian language like this pride in india not yet only தமிழ் language has
Even two more place remains if any people want to know more check this place There is a place called Koppahallimedu in Coimbatore district, near Akkanayakkanpalayam. Natarajan, a history enthusiast and retired professor from a government college, has examined this place.
Neolithic humans have also been discovered living along the banks of the Noyyal River, known as the River of Life in Coimbatore. In the Noyyal River Valley west of Coimbatore city, in Vadivelampalayam Location near (Pooluvapatti) still some area excavation not started please do that balance too as soon
Still the excavation is not complete in some places and still not started in some places....it also need to done if it done it go even more forward India 🇮🇳
In india there is no language have such a history and Pride❤expect தமிழன்
There more place in tamilnadu now at place near to Chennai which 12000 years before Vadakkupattu exvaction has been founded
North Indians wont accept whatever we say, they are Sanscrit saddled horses.
Prof is not seems a archeologist, but hindi politician.
Aryan migrations cannot be buried by few vested interests. Accept that we Indians are largely from Tamil origins who lived in our subcontinent from human migrations from Africa 70k years.
U r almost right.. just remove ' africa from ur comment. It won't match now..
Indians are not largely from Tamil origins. There is definitely a Tamil origin that happened in India but Sanskrit also originated in India.
@ No. Sanskrit is a language that evolved in north western India and have interacted with indo Iranian and other indo European groups.
@@highlyrespectedfamilyAfrican migration has to be revised.
@@sadenbSanskrit's roots are in central Asia
One of the speaker ridiculously said the research was done based on charcoal, TN govt sent iron specimens including knife and other items to Pune, Ahmedabad and Florida labs an done different types of testing not just carbon dating all given the exact 3345 BCE dating. Not just the iron materials, but also furnaces to melt also was found at the same site. Both Shinde and the other one commenting without even reading the report. As usual Hindian channels giving misinformation
The problem lies with his understanding about iron. Iron won't exist in an inert and native state like gold. Iron exists in nature as an ore as mostly Iron oxides. And in order to make weapons from iron ore they need to know-
1. How to separate iron from iron ore?(Iron oxides)
2. How to separate the impurities? (Carbon and other metal impurities)
3. How to make it rust free?(by adding carbon and at what percentage will determine quality of iron)
And the findings and evidence shows that it is indeed iron found in earth and not from meteorological sources. If so then it is already confirmed that Tamil people had that technology 5300 years back in its final form.
So it is already proven that iron technology exists in tamilnadu. No further evidence is needed to prove it any further as it is also found that this is iron from earth and not made from something fallen from the sky😂 (not meteorological iron).
So the question now is, how long did it take for the Tamil civilization to perfect this craft of making iron weapons and it will at least take us a few 1000 years back from the already 5300 years.
So this Dr. Shinde is either stupid(which isn't the case) or has some bias or political agenda towards Tamil civilization and its ancestry, as it is questioning the legitimacy of 'Sanskrit is the mother of all' theory. He will need some time to adjust his mindset and will eventually come to accept this truth. Truth alone Triumphs.
@@Suvedhanapandi
Great points 😊👍
Too much burning🔥😂
They can't even digest 😂😂
@suvethanapandi.. The fact is brilliantly revealed..
It looks Mr shinde is fooling himsel commenting without even seen the deceleration made by the govt of Tamilnadu. I doubt the intention and chanel had him in the pannel to discuss something which is was not aware of.
Notth indians lie
World first origin language Tamil only ❤❤❤❤தமிழன்டா ❤❤❤
Tuze language aur script me ka difference bhi pata nahi hoga chomu .... Chup chap baith jaa
Tamils are the oldest Civilization. No one knows about the existence of India. India was formed by the British thousands of years after the Tamil Civilization.
You people came from iran
@lipun1531 Sorry I am not Aryan.
😂😂😂
@@mothilal6479 here I talk about Dravidian not Aryan
Acc to historian Tamil origin from Iran elamite culture
Joke of the 1000 centuries 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@manoharudutha2670 Even how many millennia pass, sanskrit will remain dead for ever.
😀😀😀
Mr sinde without going into details of iron age he is attending interview
Yes. The problem lies with his understanding about iron. Iron won't exist in an inert and native state like gold. Iron exists in nature as an ore as mostly Iron oxides. And in order to make weapons from iron ore they need to know-
1. How to separate iron from iron ore?(Iron oxides)
2. How to separate the impurities? (Carbon and other metal impurities)
3. How to make it rust free?(by adding carbon and at what percentage will determine quality of iron)
And the findings and evidence shows that it is indeed iron found in earth and not from meteorological sources. If so then it is already confirmed that Tamil people had that technology 5300 years back in its final form.
So it is already proven that iron technology exists in tamilnadu. No further evidence is needed to prove it any further as it is also found that this is iron from earth and not made from something fallen from the sky😂 (not meteorological iron).
So the question now is, how long did it take for the Tamil civilization to perfect this craft of making iron weapons and it will at least take us a few 1000 years back from the already 5300 years.
So this Dr. Shinde is either stupid(which isn't the case) or has some bias or political agenda towards Tamil civilization and its ancestry, as it is questioning the legitimacy of 'Sanskrit is the mother of all' theory. He will need some time to adjust his mindset and will eventually come to accept this truth. Truth alone Triumphs.
😂 WASTED North Indian walass
I can say all Indians might have been Tamilan later and might have changed their language and habitat
this northern media dont include scholars from tamilnadu , then how can u get regional findings and decoded matter , you call any archeologists within north india and you yourself will decide ,. this do nothing ony but your reputation spoils, there is youtube and any person will expose the truth,,,
This fact actually proving Aryan invasion is true..!
Northindians never acpects Tamilnadu is the part of India, that's the problem.
I'm also Tamil but no invasion is proven.
Who told you this?
Don't be in that delusion with your brainwashed by so called dravidianists and uncivilized britishers. It's an already debunked fake propaganda theory created to create a divide conflict between indians. And there is much evidence (already found) from feet to feet in this land of Bharat to counter attack this theory to push it into the fully. falsity.
Does prof shinde know what is he talking about?
1. Two different tests were done in 4 different labs.
2. Theres no rule, that the metal ages has to go linear. People use the resources that is available to them. TN does not hold copper rich sediments.
The problem lies with his understanding about iron. Iron won't exist in an inert and native state like gold. Iron exists in nature as an ore as mostly Iron oxides. And in order to make weapons from iron ore they need to know-
1. How to separate iron from iron ore?(Iron oxides)
2. How to separate the impurities? (Carbon and other metal impurities)
3. How to make it rust free?(by adding carbon and at what percentage will determine quality of iron)
And the findings and evidence shows that it is indeed iron found in earth and not from meteorological sources. If so then it is already confirmed that Tamil people had that technology 5300 years back in its final form.
So it is already proven that iron technology exists in tamilnadu. No further evidence is needed to prove it any further as it is also found that this is iron from earth and not made from something fallen from the sky😂 (not meteorological iron).
So the question now is, how long did it take for the Tamil civilization to perfect this craft of making iron weapons and it will at least take us a few 1000 years back from the already 5300 years.
So this Dr. Shinde is either stupid(which isn't the case) or has some bias or political agenda towards Tamil civilization and its ancestry, as it is questioning the legitimacy of 'Sanskrit is the mother of all' theory. He will need some time to adjust his mindset and will eventually come to accept this truth. Truth alone Triumphs.
@@SuvedhanapandiThe current biharis has got more Ancient south Indian gene than the current people from tamil nadu.
@@ghaahWell it's not. However what does that have to do with finding iron age in Tamilnadu?
Are the North Hindians are experts in History and Archaeological?😮😮😮
Don't know Science and deleberately neglecting Science and Historical evidences.We Tamils don't want these types of people appreciations Intellectual World will approve the truth.
உலகில் தோன்றிய முதல் இனம் தமிழினம் 💥
😂😂😂 i don't know why these as called archaeologists can't digest it.
Carbon dating method is Nobel prize winning model, even if they find any samples, they are going to use same methodology, they are not ready to accept the truth.😂
Not Indians but Tamils
Then leave from this country asap ☝🏻
Mr Shinde asked for agriculture evidence,Keeladi excavations already submitted the rice culture evidences ,More than ten years central government is not publishing the kheeladi documents result.
So pathetic panelist. Not gone through the report.
Stupidest thing to suggest is that stone age/bronze age/iron age are in a linear time line....these are the conclusions of the past racial, religious "educated" European based "Scholars ?!" this idea needs to be revised, most likely they were over laps, enough evidence for this in Africa, India (Tamil Nadu) as well in the Steppes.... Individuals like Prof. Shinde needs to have open mind and be willing to change their opinion with the new evidences cropping up....
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Yes Indus Valley civilisation is the oldest civilisation in the world. i dont know why some tamil folks are crying in comment section.typical rice bag converts
Lol that also Tamil civilization vadaka
to the brothers of north india , only if india accepts everything is from tamil only then north and south will get united until then tamil people never give up the pride of tamil language and so we will have bondage gap between as far as it continued till date ,
North indian excavation: Sanskrit civilization
South indian excavation: Indian civilization
Nevertheless wanted to help Tamils and in finding their history, stopped archaeological excavations, stopped funding from central govt but if something comes out unavoidably, Northern sanskrit ASI of india, comes to steal it or labelling it as Indian and taking credits 🤡
It is Tamil Civilization... Dont hide the glory of Tamil people
What non-sense !!
It's Tamil Nadu and not India..
I can smell some smoke from shindae 😂
I could see lot of difficulty in north researchers in accepting the facts of south excavation. It has been sent to 5 research labs including international ones and why do these speakers keep saying that there could be adulteration and resultss could be erratic. The central government is not ready to fund for the south excavation and that's precisely the reason why the chief minister took it in hands. Way to go tamilnadu.
Tamil is the first race of India, Tamil is the first (oldest) language in India and Tamil is the mother of all Indian languages including sanskrit.
Jai Tamil... 🚩
The Union govt pushed the state government to do so because prolonged fund rejection to the archeological survey in Tamilnadu by the so called govt
Prof Shinde u talk like shit. Ground breaking report is released and you say u have not seen it, then how come u question the findings??
Tamil civilization
The oldest civilisation that we know of? Maybe. But the oldest civilisation ever, no. I don't believe we can ever know. What archaeology discovered indicates a possibility of other thriving civilizations around. So who is the older civilizations between the contemporaries back then? I think we will always see a pattern of modernisation and industrialization in the past breaking apart and finding itself again. Definition of humanity.
Tamil Tamil Tamil
This is Tamil civilization not hindian civilization.
Typical vadakkans burning 🔥😂😂
Why they are so biased
Not indian civilization .Its a Tamil civilization
1:46 They ? Where did the we are Indians saar comments ? Aren’t Indians proud of stone age originated from TamilNadu which is a part of India ? Second question, they claim ? Wtf is they claim, it has been proven that stone age began in TamilNadu with approvals from AMS , OSL and validated by 10 experts from across the country . North media please don’t cover any news relating to TamilNadu, you are really a biased and partial one . My advice is if you really want to cover any news related to TamilNadu archeology please bring someone like Mannar Mannan.
These people sitting in ac room and commenting on something which thay dont want to accept
We are South Indian first.
Always get carried away with Europeans way righting history ....
Think indigenously.....
Why cant IRON AGE came first then followed copper n bronze ....
Because Iron is a hard metal . Iron weapons should defeat copper and bronze weapons.
@@sadenb You cannot argue with people who does not deserve some basic knowledge.
Iron won't exist in an inert and native state like gold. Iron exists in nature as an ore, mostly as Iron oxides. And in order to make weapons from iron ore they need to know-
1. How to separate iron from iron ore?(Iron oxides)
2. How to separate the impurities? (Carbon and other metal impurities)
3. How to make it rust free?(by adding carbon and at what percentage will determine quality of iron)
And the findings and evidence shows that it is indeed iron found in earth and not from meteorological sources. If so then it is already confirmed that Tamil people had that technology 5300 years back in its final form.
So it is already proven that iron technology exists in tamilnadu. No further evidence is needed to prove it any further as it is also found that this is iron from earth and not made from something fallen from the sky😂 (not meteorological iron).
So the question now is, how long did it take for the Tamil civilization to perfect this craft of making iron weapons and it will at least take us a few 1000 years back from the already 5300 years.
So this Dr. Shinde is either stupid(which isn't the case) or has some bias or political agenda towards Tamil civilization and its ancestry, as it is questioning the legitimacy of 'Sanskrit is the mother of all' theory. He will need some time to adjust his mindset and will eventually come to accept this truth.
Also handling heat upto 1300°C is not something that can be achieved in a day or two and especially in an age where travelling to present day Pakistan will take many months or a few years.
How poor and pathetic the panellists are 🤦♂️🤷😅😂
The samples found are weapons, chisels and other materials that common people use!
Dr Shinde's problem lies with his understanding about iron. Iron won't exist in an inert and native state like gold. Iron exists in nature as an ore as mostly Iron oxides. And in order to make weapons from iron ore they need to know-
1. How to separate iron from iron ore?(Iron oxides)
2. How to separate the impurities? (Carbon and other metal impurities)
3. How to make it rust free?(by adding carbon and at what percentage will determine quality of iron)
4. How to handle extreme temperatures? (upto 1300°C)
And the findings and evidence shows that it is indeed iron found in earth and not from meteorological sources. If so then it is already confirmed that Tamil people had that technology 5300 years back in its final form.
So it is already proven that iron technology exists in tamilnadu. No further evidence is needed to prove it any further as it is also found that this is iron from earth and not made from something fallen from the sky😂 (not meteorological iron).
So the question now is, how long did it take for the Tamil civilization to perfect this craft of making iron weapons and it will at least take us a few 1000 years back from the already 5300 years.
So this Dr. Shinde is either stupid(which isn't the case) or has some bias or political agenda towards Tamil civilization and its ancestry, as it is questioning the legitimacy of 'Sanskrit is the mother of all' theory. He will need some time to adjust his mindset and will eventually come to accept this truth. Truth alone Triumphs.
Keep seething
@rajput.. until you keep seeing...
its tamilnadu not india , every ancient indian epics started with tamil people and tamil language , even patanjali seeked help from bogar and thirumular for yoga translation in sanskrit from tamil and it has happened in chidambaram temple , as like naga king helped buddha at time naga king spoken tamil language , nepal has kanda puranam and scripts about avvair in nepal ,,,
Stop this nonsense.... You people came from iran and claim this land as own??
@@lipun1531 it is north indian who came from iran, syria ,pakistan . we tamil people or origin of this land, thats what rakhi gaddi d.n.a says
@ilantilak6073 no rakhigadi female dna match with modern day hariyana,up female more then tamil.... Check dna report
Historian say tamil origin from iran...... also brahui tribe in Pakistan speak Dravidian language who origin from iran
@@lipun1531 yes, brahui tribe speak tamil, tamil findings are there in iran and syria , ambedkar said tamil people were all around india with tamil language 20,000 yrs before its tamil every where
@ilantilak6073 Ambedkar himself a Arya maratha🤣🤣 that's why he reject Aryan invention theory
No Tamil are not all around India Tamil only present in Tamil Nadu in past and present
I don't know why you people behave like British yasu missionary??
I never see any Kerala, Andhra, Karnataka people say like this
Also during British time your state controlled by church of England...
5:22 Please ask Prof. Vasant Shinde from get himself a Ph.D in metallurgy before questioning whether the chicken or egg came first ( or in this context, in Dravidian culture, whether bronze or iron came first).
And please request Mr.Junai to learn proper English first so that he can study the real giants of archaeology on whose shoulders he stands upon.
Never say india ! Its age less than 100 age , its Tamil and Tamilnadu. Tamil country , Tamil culture , Tamil people !
North indian don't very 😂😅😢😢
This emigrants of Dr. Shinde not able to digest for seeing local tamils culture. North Indian should go to gulf countries as they are emigrants to India
You are an archeologist but not read the findings. How can u comment on this? Tamilnadu is not suddenly publishing it... Tamilnadu took 2 years to conform the findings, by sending the finding to several institutions and scholars to verify the findings and methods used to find
Vasanth Shinde and Neeraj Rai has deliberately given this interview to misrepresent the evidence-based archaeological excavation results found in Tamil Nadu.
The Copper Age did not necessarily precede the Iron Age. Periods may have evolved depending on the resources available in a region.
Archeologists in India departments were dominated by north Indians with ideological leanings. Instead of running to fellow Archeologists and understand the significance of finding, professionals are biased. Deliberate effort to over rule TN history. There were 40000 stone inscription taken to Mysore and did nothing for past 3 decades. People do not want truth. Their ideologies and preconceived notions take priority. Shame on professionals who cannot digest history.
its tamil not india , there were different samasthanam at the kings era , so tamil nadu ( tamilagam ) region were included karnataka, kerala, srilanka, andhra , myanmar, burman, little bit of indonesia all together were as tamilagam . at the time there were no india ,,,
Mr shinde grow up man
How could the Harrapan civilisation die out?. No it didn't die out. It is India at large.
It should be,"Is tamil nadu the world's oldest civilization".
Shinde -I haven't read the full report but I will comment on things that have not done in this excavation. Absolutely Funny guy and not ready to digest the fact😂😂😂
Never happened haha cope 🦍🦍👳🏿
Not sure why copper age had to be found to prove relevance of findings on Iron Age in India
Can smell something burning 😂
I also think this idiotic professor who doesn't even fully read the report, can't able to digest the fact, Tamils are the oldest civilization in India
INDIAN Archeologist will act like Pakistan when it's comes to South Indian History. They try to hide and delay the process or try to change the findings this thing are happening till now. So Tamil nadu decided to do there research with there archologist.
Tamil World first language and world first civilization.. It is scientifically proved by tamilnadu Sivakalai archoelogy excavation iron weapons.
Prof Vasant Shitde. Its Tamil Civilization - the oldest, not the North Indian Civilization
Without seeing the report this guy Shinde has guts to ignore the Florida lab reports and Indian archeologists. there has been rice and rice husk been found and he is speaking is utterly non sense, 100+ samples has been submitted and shows his north first mentality. And this guy Neeraj is dating charcoal instead of carbon dating and radioactivity from Iron from different labs.
Dravidians happened to be more native to India than the Aryans. 2 cents worth of information to be given here; 1) the strategy to push towards Aryans were here during IVC failed due to similarities of graffiti and variants matching 60% to 90% of excavated artifacts in Keezhadi. 2) The recent iron age findings in Tamil Nadu predates IVC. 3) DNA of Oldest human corpse matches with South Indians. 4) The unbiased Nepal Archaeological Institution concluded habitats of Dravidians and Tibetan-Burmese group long existed before arrival of Aryans.5) International History Institutions concluded Sinauli carts not chariots as claimed by ASI.
Are you Telugu naaye?
my god,so these are the experts???this is what is making our indian history poor ig,these guys have not even read the report and background fully and commenting something
I think They both are not visited tamil nadu and not see the evidence and not see the reports and your interviewing the very wrong person to questioning about tamil nadu iron age. If the finding found from north india they will start speak after the interview very sad to say they are north indian archaeologist not indian archaeologist.
First say tamil after say india
First identify next nationality
Why can't Prof Vasant be direct to the point to accept the discovery of iron 5,500 yrs BC.
His reluctance shows he cld probably a Telugu who cld nòt digest the recent findings,in TN.
These are the reasons why Tamilian findings and research has always been supressed or prevented.Afterall the findings are in TN ,a rich state which is in India and the world recognises India.
Get Tamilian Archeo's in the future to do the research or comment on Archeos matters in TN.
There are hundreds of them in India.
Sadly,we seem to hve a lot of unscrupulous characters like him in India, that's why until today TN is not able to wake up from economical misery!!
It's a disgrace!!
I observe from Malaysia
Iron and charcoal was not fount in same layer, both found in same pot. , so both have nearly same date
The heading is wrong and misleading. It should be, Is Tamil and Tamil culture oldest in contributing world civilisation.
My only issue with these people is that they don’t understand the geology of the Southern India as there is no or little Copper reserves in South India. Also, as India moved over a volcanic plume as it moved towards Asia, the minerals deposited would be rich in Iron rather than Copper.
What if tamil fisherman had some issues with they will address as tamil only if any good thing comes they will address as Indian thing what a shame on this north indian journalism
Only cridit goes to tamilnadu ❤
Good job news9 you dont discriminate against idiots with vested interest... Next pls invite Me.Bean to discuss the theory of relativity. Prof Shitday...
Tamil Nadu never invasment so much money
Tamil is the oldest civilization in the world.
Very sorry to make such comments. First ask him to read history of metallurgy . There are evidence that iron smelting was done in Anatolia even by 4 th millennium bc.
And regarding contamination of samples led him read the report first before commenting bcz TN government knowing that such counter views will be made , took long time to get it confirmed by reputed international standards lab s.
Let these intellectuals read the report and counter it with facts and not say generalised opinions to belittle it . Such tactics won’t work anymore
Iron and steel is south indian or tamil invention. as a northerner im proud of our brothers and Indian civilization.
It's is older than mahabharat lol😂
@Xicorvlogger definitely.
What? It is such great discovery, do you think it is done without and study?? These guys simply cannot stomach it!!