In fairness honor is just built from mutual expectation, they have a mutual understanding that you'll slug it out and kill the shit out of one another instead of lie, cheat, steal etc etc etc. It's all about being straight forward and standing your ground.
Tbf Khorne frowns upon killing “unhonorbale” combatants. So while he’s not going to be “mad” if that’s your main thing, he will certainly not RESPECT you if you only go after the weak.
Honor is contextual. He’s a God of combat. Khorne will not lie, he will not stab you in the back (he’ll stab you in the face) and his favorite kind of “manipulation” is ugly truth.
So Khorne fan boys still claims that he don't wants his followers to kill the weak and unarmed. They often uses Liber Chaotica as they source, but if you ask for a page so you can find it in you vision of the book, they never want to tell you where to find it.
Bruh actually got comments from sociopaths saying, "But murder isn't inherently bad...!" when entire social structures and governments down to fundamental human laws everyone but sociopaths agree on cant exist. Fucking crazy.
Rule 1 of Tzeentch worship: you cannot outwit Tzeentch Rule 2 of Tzeentch worship: you must try Rule 3 of Tzeentch worship: there are no rules Rule 4 of Tzeentch worship: the next rule is a lie Rule 5 of Tzeentch Worship: the previous rule is true
Tzeentch is the one that I could see as being chaotic neutral rather than being definitely evil - there's at least a possibility that the damage he does is simply the consequence of him treating the material world as a chessboard rather than being the point of his activities.
I'd say Khorne is still the most honest because he doesn't hide what he is, or the deal. You sign up to be his eternal servant, to spill blood wherever it may be and collect skulls for his throne, and he gives you the strength to do it. Can't back out, can't negotiate a deal, that's the deal. There is no lie, but it preys on the short-sighted especially, and for those like Angron who have something where they literally feel nothing BUT rage, they're doomed to fall to Khorne. Yeah, Tzeentch is called The Lord of Lies for a reason, making a deal with him is bound to be tricky and never in your favor, but Khorne's stuff is deceptively simple, and feeds on wrath. After all, why lie to those who are seeking you out and will do what you tell them to for their petty revenge? Why would you lie to them when their wrath will make them sign up anyways? It's brutally efficient, and it will always bring angry people to be his servants. Out of all 4, Khorne would probably be the longest-lasting in terms of active interaction with Mortals because humans irl fall to anger all the time. With Tzeentch and Khorne both, you know their business, but with Khorne the true intention is there on the tin. And that's why it's so terrifying.
Of course when a Chaos God tells me he's not a liar and can only tell the brutal and honest truth I would believe him, for what is a Chaos God if not inherently trustworthy? Khorne would never use me for his sick and twisted view of what it means to be honourable, he would never grind my mind down to it's most simple and primitive state. No the honourable Khorne would only give me the strength needed to fight for what is right and true. One only needs to take a look at his most loyal servants. Kharn known as the betrayer, for butchering his own brothers and his red „angel“ Angron who has become nothing but an endless pit of pain, anger and blinding unending rage. Truly the blood god represents honor and courage.
TBF, the Chaos Gods did get a mean streak ever since the War in Heaven and their weaponisation/creation by the Old Ones. Its not impossible that they did start out with their most beneficial traits, but since then twisted its meaning because they could start exponentially consuming souls if they just made a downward spiral of chaos, pushing others to give even more of themselves to them etc...
@@Freedmoon44 You need to actually read the lore. The Chaos Gods were not weaponized nor created by the Old Ones. They never once had beneficial traits, they never once were anything but what they are. The Chaos Gods are and always were.
@@ZeroNumerous explain the sources which claim that daemons didn´t exist (at least not in their current form) before the War in Heaven, then. Before that war, the warp is described as being 'calm'. It was the Sea of Souls, not the lovecraftian nightmare it is in 40k.
"Nurgle is a god of loving community" -Poxwalker Plaguespreader, average Nurgle Champion "Slaanesh is a god of fun" -Painus Eyebleeder, average Slaanesh Champion "Tzeentch is the path to power" -Magus Wizo, several seconds before becoming a chaos spawn (tzeentch thought it'd be funny)
"Oh my god! Tzeentch will turn you into a chaos spawn and give you mutations for funzies!" Says the guy with a crab claw, or the one with a mouth for a stomach, or the one with red skin. Complaining about mutation in Chaos is like saying there's water in the ocean. Edit: I have no doubt Magos Wizo over there WANTED power but either chose to use it in an easy manner (should have joined Nurgle then, poser) or he's literally incapable of doing anything for the sake of change.
@@CryptidZealot There's a difference between just getting mutations and turning into a chaos spawn, my dude. Mutations can be beneficial, being an unthinking writhing mass of pain and screaming is never beneficial. Fuck.
Honestly tzeentch is my favourite god because there is no illusion of the fact that he's an untrustworthy dickhead. Pretty much all his serious followers hate him, and are under no pretence that tzeentch is good. To all of them, he's a means to an end, and they understand they're basically playing the roulette wheel of either gaining power, or being rendered into muck. Somehow, by being the most dishonest and confusing god of the bunch, tzeentch is the most well understood in a macro sense.
@@Seoul_Soldier Angron seems to be enjoying it. Or the thousands upon thousands of plague trees (innocent people who died from Nurgle's rot by the way) do as well.
I still recall a scene in the Dawn of Fire series where a Khorne Berzerker lets some Militarum shoot him. The Berzerker says something along the lines of, “in recognition of your weakness, honor demands I allow you one chance to kill me.” So I believe that some of his champions do have a sense of warrior honor. If some Berzerker does nothing but massacre harmless civilians, yeah Khorne doesn’t care whence the blood flows but his peers will probably start to think he’s a coward.
These khorne berserkers deceived themselves. They knew beforehand that a strike from a guardsman was not going to hurt them. It's the same when I would abstain from doomscrolling for one hour, full knowing that I am capable of achieving it, therefore I put "one hour" as a limit, and then pat myself on the back for having done a good job.
Yeah to me thats a bit like offering a senile old man armed with a plastic spork a free swing at you - while you are standing 10ft over him with a double handed greatsword
@@dystopianchimpare you going to make videos on every chaos god complaining on how they are actually super evil with no redeeming qualities? Cause that’s just lame and factual wrong.
such pleb talk :0 by that way of thinking -anyone with power, anyone with leadership position, and all the warp related gods and non-warp gods and even the emperor ALL are "parasites". its the skin cell complaining about the tyranny of the brain.
True, and his world eaters reaction to him transforming into a chaos prince was a good indicator how tired they were fighting for him, their only wish is to see their primarch finally get some peace from that butchers nails but lorgar fucked it all up by making Angrons body a eternal tool for Khorne.
@@uberfeel At the end of the Arks of Omen's. When Angron is trying to destroy the Lighthouse that is tormenting him - he is struggling. He then feels a "hand" and his shoulder that gives him the strength to crack the planet in half and turn sisters and cause the first instance of Primaris falling to Chaos. The pain of the nails went away and goes away for 8 weeks, 8 days and 8 hours until he re-manifests. Angron got more love from Khorne than the Emperor ever gave him and he's not even the Primarch he wanted.
@@notjustanother3191 Still almost no love at all. This is textbook abusive father behavior, stopping the beatings temporarily if you can't take it anymore despite trying your best. Not stopping the beatings permanently, just long enough to let you regain some hope, and to train you to always keep striving for his unobtainable approval. That said, I don't think the big E handled the situation very well at all. Seriously, just leave 2 custodes on Nuceria to help conquer the planet (way overkill, probably) and carry on with the great crusade.
That's something people always leave out, the 'nice' parts of the Chaos Gods are something they have claim to. They are primarily their evil aspects, and the kind parts are things they picked up on the side.
I personally view any 'nice' claims of them being stuff the mortals themselves tell themselves to cope. Much like how in IRL mythology, god pantheons tended to have forces of nature also then tied to things others would find desirable. These more beneficent legends and outlooks then can act as honeypots, slowly turning towards a slippery slope of the true nature of the god once the worship is properly rooted and the god's attention is properly on them.
It’s simply that the chaos gods in fantasy have good aspects, while 40k has chaos god variants that were made to not have any good aspects as apart of GW and BL wanting the two settings to be distinctly different.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 If all galactic sentient life were to be wiped out; so would the chaos gods. Kind of gives a slightly more interesting take on the Tyranids. Being extra-galactic the chaos gods can't psychically affect them. Maybe they actually were weapons designed to scourge the galaxy because of the chaos problem. The Orks are so dumb the chaos gods can't really effect them either. Chaos is exclusively a human/eldar fuelled problem afaik
@@gratuitouslurking8610Chaos gods are literally manifestations of mortal perception. If enough psychic mortals see them having nice sides then they will get a nice side. The greater good also manifests despite being fully cope. They dont really have a solid true form or nature They are manifestations of faith
@@oliverjamesatkinsonpretty much any being within the galaxy that has a connection to the warp can be corrupted by Chaos, and those outside of that connection are immune to it. The Orks have their own warp thingie were they pretty much “filter” the warp energy for their own network, as in WAAAGH energy - they were created specifically to fight Golden Era Eldar so it makes sense. The Tyranids have their own thing aswell since they come from outside the galaxy, and the warp seems to be limited to there as far as we know
@ literally just overrides the mind of the victim via VERY MUCH A WARP SPELL and turns anybody into a mindless, cannibalistic husk enslaved to Khorne. It was used by Khorne through Angron, his slave-primarch btw. So… it was magic, which used mind-bending and ENTIRELY against their will took control over enemy warriors who were otherwise fighting a good battle against Khorne forces… Very much not “honourable” or “honest”.
Warp sorcery is a specific term used for individuals who borrow powers from an entity to cast psyscience related abilities. Murder Curse like alot of Khornes and Big E's powers is more in line with Faith-based Incantations directed from the presence or action of an entity itself. That being said, due to how manifestations of power work across the entire universe of 40k, its still equally hypocritical to be against psykers and sorcerers for the reasons he is against it when he offers the same reasonings.
Old lore, thats likely been mixed with fantasy, had Khorne's view of wizards/sorcerers/psychics come from not only "dishonourable" kills but also taking claim to the domain of gods by using magic. He gets to use magic himself as he's a god, all the rituals and what else his bloody clergy gets to is them requesting for manifastations and what are those but khorne using magic even if it takes the form of a giant half-spiritual sword that blows up battlefield/country/planet. And this more divine magics checked out with fantasy (especially rpg line) where divine magics were often much less than they arcane counterpart but much safer to use (and technically easier) due to the actual caster being well... a god
More like “Not a God of pleasure” because Slaanesh makes you lose your limits, gradually making all pleasures dull and fleeting, like not being able to satiate yourself anymore. Endless blueball.
I mean she’s isn’t a pleasure god, she is the god of excess, and her motus operandi is making you get bored of any and every sensation, along with making you obsessed with seeking the next one.
An oft overlooked tidbit of lore is that when Khaine, the eldar war god was fighting Slaanesh, he was actually able to hold his own until Khorne intervened in the fight, stabbing him in the back to break him.
Alright buddy, cite your source. Because I heard Khaine was knocked unconscious by Slaanesh's birth, and Khorne broke through the palace to claim Khaine in the firesale that was the aeldar pantheon.
@@thesaxon3966Don’t know his source, but you’re definitely wrong too. THE MURDERED PANTHEON At the moment of its birth, Slaanesh decimated the Aeldari pantheon and stole the gods’ power, with only two of their number surviving the Fall. The Laughing God Cegorach escaped through guile, while Kaela Mensha Khaine, the strongest and most warlike of the Aeldari deities, endured through might. Slaanesh and the Bloody-Handed God fought a titanic battle in the warp, and despite Khaine’s mastery of war, Slaanesh, glutted with stolen power, eventually proved the stronger. Exhausted from the struggle, Slaanesh could not destroy the Aeldari god completely. Instead, Khaine was rent into fragments. Each shard came to rest within the wraithbone core of a craftworld, where it took root and grew into an Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God. To this day, these murderous Avatars of Khaine are still awoken to lead the Asuryani to war. -Codex: Craftworlds (8th Edition) Slaanesh was absolutely hopped up on souls and power while Khaine just had his follower base mostly killed, and Khaine very nearly soloed Slanny *anyways.*
In a verse full of “bad guys” chaos is the single worst thing you can be, they’re the guys everyone agrees sucks. They can make Human and Aeldari shake hands.
Eh, i dunno about that. It leans too much into the "Slaanesh= god of Sex" misinterpretation. Honestly, I think a better one could be "Slaanesh cannot fix you" or something along those lines. Given their nature of excess and the endless persuit of perfection. The worship of always attempting to fill an empty void in your soul with mindless pleasure, constant vain enhancement and the extration of angony. It's the gilded god, the godess of false pleasures and empty joys. A patchwork of worthless frivalities to dope it's followers into submissive addiction.
All of the false gods of Chaos are possessed of contradictions, because they aren’t distinct people. They aren’t even sentient as we think of sentience. They are agglomerations of thoughts and emotions from countless other beings, many of which are not even human. You can no more expect consistency from such an entity than you can expect it from a storm, an ocean, or a million monkeys pushing the keys of a million typewriters. It’s not hypocrisy; it’s the most extreme form of multiple personality disorder imaginable.
Honor in Khorne's eyes in to die fighting in battle. If you don't want to fight, you will still die.. the only thing that seems to be dishonorable in his eyes is to interfere in a duel... maybe. Also since the very first warhammer rule boy, the Four Chaos Gods has been called Vile Gods.
@@CteCrassus I wouldn't say that's a good thing, but he did have his reasons for it. Namely, keeping Khaine out of Slaanesh's hands. Slaanesh was already glutted on the power of the other Eldar god-constructs and Khaine had no chance of winning.
Than why so they do so? Including Khorne himself. Almost like this whole honour thing is bullshit. And its an ancient corrupted remnant of his bow gone being. Before warp became what it is.
To be fair, there seems to be 2 sides to khorne worshippers: one more fitting for the description at the start, that embody martial might, and that consider killing the helpless while enemies with fight in them remain to be cowardly (not that the helpless wont be slaughtered once the fight is over mind you, after all a meager offering is better than no offering, but worthy foes are what Khorne truely desires, or death in battle with one failing that..) and the other side, FAR mroe represented, is the mindless butcher that will kill anything with a pulse in reach, be it enemy, ally, of helpless citizen, all in an unsatiable frenzy and I think the 2 sides are true, with the former possibly becoming the latter as their minds degrade further and Khorne demands more and more of them, as as with any chaos god, he is unsatiable. as for the "khorne hates magic", I take it as Khorne despising those that would use the powers of the warp to do what martial might should achieve: as such, summonning his warriors is fine, using enchanted weapons (which is magic enslaved to the steel of a weapon when it comes to khorne's stuff) is fine, but throwing fireballs with your fingertips is not. Because then it is no longer the measure of one's skill and strengh, but of how much of the power of the gods they can steal for their own use.
I agree. Even though guns and artillery and advanced tech aren't magic, they still serve similar purposes which is why khorne and his followers shy away from it.
Khorne worshippers don't matter for the conversation, the conversation is about Khorne himself. Khorne worshippers do not 1to1 reflect Khorne, nor do any worshippers of any of the gods in 40k.
On the point of Khorne hating magic, and loving war: Khorna has a magic button on his throne that he can, at any point, press to corrupt large groups. Because that's where Chaos Primaris come from. Khorne pressed his magic berserk button, and converted an entire ship of Primaris and all its crew into Khornate madmen. So Khorne has an instant win button he can deploy at any time, using magic. That means anytime Khorne is not jamming his giant thumb on that button, Khorne is jobbing.
There are several examples of Khornites that are well-organied and maintain military discipline but in all cases it is a bit like trying to be responsible with heroin consumption. There more you draw on the benefits, the closer you get to developing serious withdrawal. It can be done but it requires immense control, and a class of soldier similar to Imperial commisars to keep the rest in line.
I think the interesting parts about Khorne slowly got weeded out due to the flanderization effect. I remember reading in old lore where one of the roles of Flesh hounds was to hunt down his warriors who only targeted the weak. Going after the weak used to be a good way to get Khorne's wrath but over time he just kinda devolved to blanket evil bad guy.
It never got weeded out, its just that people misinterpreted killing your allies as being somehow honorable, when killing weak enemies who are trying to kill you as not being honorable, just like it can be argued just because worshippers or individuals make choices that are dishonorable doesn't mean that Khorne approves of it or advocates for it, or that he does approve of it when he accepts skulls and blood from toddlers and cripples and brutalizes worlds filled with defenseless citizens in comparison to his 1000 super soldiers roided on chaos coke. Certain parts aren't elaborated on enough, that's it. The only thing we have for any confirmation from a direction is those who make the lore saying and showing there is not good aspects to 40k chaos gods (Anymore), while also saying that Khorne values honor, while also being hypocritical on how he views said honor as his Honor Code is different to mortals. Khornes honor is shown as "You will be given atleast a minor chance to fight back and if you cant overcome you're weak and undeserving of life" and not "We would never harm the weak because they're not equal to us." they dont care about equality at all.
@@Chang-u6e Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's just frustrating seeing these interesting concepts and things you can do with them from a writing standpoint and reduce them to bad guy is bad.
It’s just that the endless glazing of Imperium by GW’s writers themselves didn’t give much way to flesh out the Chaos Gods in a comparatively approachable way, or most of the Xenos races. Like Tau used to be the only good factions until GW basically rewrote them to be mind and birth controllers cos they didn’t want any race to up-end the humans in any way.
Khorne is a butcher god, he is a monster that loves nothing more than a vampire that drinks on blood, he is a collector of skulls of anyone who wants his attention, and worse he is perhaps one of the most misunderstood gods because his worshippers are disillusioned by their bloodthirsty madness that they forget what he wants most of all. Khorne is a monster of unimaginable scale that he is no different from his siblings, but the difference is that his servants are perhaps the vocal in the lies of chaos than any other.
I do enjoy the Librarian marine who explained that there is no reason for wanton murder, but they should do it anyways, because there is no other purpose in the universe than base violence. That is the Khorne I love.
As per Warhammer Fantasy Khorne actually doesn't like vampires, Khorne doesn't want someone who uses deceit or trickery or will stab someone in the back, or who takes pleasure in killing, he wants someone who doesn't enjoy killing but does it, someone who will kill weak and face the strong. Khorne has honour, but not honour in the western Christian interpretation, more Samurai.
@@dystopianchimp It would be worth it to explain to people the seperation of the Dark King, the continuation of Big E's Emotions (Starchild) still in the lore, and the reality of why the corpse on the throne is so indifferent unless Big E's soul is called upon to talk through it. Most people don't understand these complexities, or thinks its more complex then it really actually even is by what is confirmed in the books. (Like with Big E's presence in that weird section of the webway where time flows in reverse, rather then forward at different speeds and is extremely difficult to reach and the entire premise of the Ordos Chronos and Master of Mankind/Custodian novels.
Depends on what you define as choices. Most of the time once you catch the attention of a chaos god and start accepting gifts things like agency can get murky. Like sure, I could reject the nightmare entity that I accepted to save my family/lover/village/life and not let them give me more blessings…. But what if they take the other gift away? What if they turn me into a chaos spawn? Etc, etc
If I had to pick a Chaos God, it would be Khorne. Not because of any foolish ideas I'll be treated better, but because I'll be so out of it I won't truly recognize the atrocities I'm partaking in.
@@earpoizin3271I mean sure, the best deity to serve is the Emperor, as grim as it may be sometimes. He is a maybe, probably not, good ending for your soul, instead of complete certain endless misery like the others. But I hear the OP, if I have to serve a chaos god, it’s way better to not be conscious of what I’m doing.
Khorne is basically that dissociative state of animalistic rage, he is the one who motivates your actions on PCP or the like, so yeah, good god if you don’t wanna be conscious.
@@lothara.schmal5092 Considering the glimpse of the afterlife Big E promises once he claims a promised soul in death that we are shown, yee. Big E is probably the best choice. All the chaos gods kinda suck balls to worship in 40k so im not sure. IF Vashtorr does become a chaos god I would prefer him, but otherwise I have no idea, Iguess Tzeentch because I would be allowed my autonomy solong as i'm capable or useful.
Khorne is a Chaos God, but these entities are more than just simple physical Gods; they are spiritual entities, being swirling masses of various collective emotions, ideas, thoughts, worship, anomalies, and abstract embodiments. He is a gestalt consciousness formed from various abstract ideas, thoughts, stories, and feelings. He's directly linked to all beings in the Materium, both in higher and lower dimensions, being the physical representations of a key constant in the conscious and sub-conscious minds of all conscious entities in the Materium across all space, time, possibilities, and impossibilities happening simultaneously. In Khorne's case, he is made up of dozens of abstract ideas like: War, Combat, Focus, Weapons, Termination, Conflict, Wrath, Development, Regression, Animosity, Vengeance, Offense, Defense, Protection, Truth, Push, Pull, Doom, Past, Murder, Duty, Punishment, Pre-Modern, Domination, Then, Discipline, Blood, Rage, Hot, Virtue, Destruction, Courage, Cowardace, Hate, Slaughter, Guilt, Honour, Martial Prowess, Subjugation, Cold, Creation, Monitor, Cowardance, Imprisonment, Above, Below, Oversee, Justice, Law, Rules, Innocence, Judgement, Mercy, Would, Strength, Skill, Tyranny, Innocence, Suffering, Growth, Positive, Negative, Improvement, Survival, Survival of the Fittest, and Superior as well as many others. Although he represents many abstract ideas, thoughts, and emotions, it's more accurate to say he's the Physical Manifestation of 'Actions' and 'Journeys, the physical things we do, making how we move forward with our lives and how these things change both us and the world around us. This means that compared to other Chaos Gods, Khorne is linked more closely to how we and all conscious beings in the Materium physically affect the Materiuma and those around us through our Actions. This is why he's linked more to things like Violence, Honour, Killing, and innocence, things that are closely linked to physical action in our lives. This makes it more akin to a 'Constant' as a part of existence that always occurs and cannot be removed or is not part of any setting or narrative both within and outside the Immaterium and Materium. But as a Chaos God, he represents the broad category of 'Actions' and 'Journeys' of concepts and abstract ideas, fall under, which are anthropomorphized into a god-like incarnate - in this instance, a large muscular beast-like demon representing violence, savagery, and fury all warriors posses, with various armors covering him, surrounded by weapons showing how we become stronger standing above on a throne of skulls to symbolize his superiority to those who failed to get strong. His form represents the good and positive, all the evil and negative, and everything in-between that the abstract concepts he's made of represent. But, he is not passive. Although an abstract force, he is a "living" being seeking to grow and spread. Which requires more sustenance. Specifically, he hungers for extreme emotions, thoughts, actions, and ideas related to him from slaughter, killing, training, and practice. But, although Khorne is fed by duty and honor, he is fed far more by rage and hatred. He wants more and more of the stuff he's made of (he's referred to as a "Thirsting God"), and as civilizations grow and new species advance, they provide new sources of sustenance for him in their combat and struggles. This has also meant that he can feed on other actions related to specific actions (e.g., the act of raping someone is seen as a form of overpowering another, so both Khorne and Slaanesh feed on the act of Rape or in great debates of philosophy as Khorne and Tzeenthc can feed off it), this means that worshipping a single Chaos God can unintentionally lead to the introduction of others. But as a Chaos God, Khorne pushes everything that thinks either living, dead, mortal, immortal, organic, or synthetic to take more extreme actions and feelings. Sowing wars to create hatred, fear, despair, hope, pain, etc. Which he can then feed off of. Emotion in any extreme becomes dangerous. A drive for self-improvement can be accomplished by an all-encompassing desire to get stronger regardless of what extremes or hurts in the process. Khorne can feed passively on the usual balance of emotions related to 'Actions' and 'Journey'. It's not that nutritious. So he farms mortal and immortal races for specific emotions related to him. Puppeteer higher beings into acting in ways that benefit them. Driving them to extremes to feed and grow. Although acting very predatory, as his form and demeanor suggest, he also acts as a parasitic force that wants more and more and more. Serving Khorne is to allow a parasitic living idea, masquerading as a God from a realm beyond the infinite higher dimensions, to use and tweak your body and brain as they see fit. Mutation is not just external but internal. Even after the original foe is slain, Khorne grants every greater might and fury making you skin harder and tougher while making your muscles buldge and grow unnaturally. But another problem comes, you cannot worship or serve the positive aspects of Khorne is the same reason you cannot do Heroin or Meth casually. Except this drug is alive and will do everything to drive its users utterly insane. Khorne is an entity that is not content nor properly sentient. It wants to feed and continue a feedback loop of actions until the Materium can no longer withstand the horrors unleashed. At any time, Khorne could have devoted its full power to crushing the Imperium after the Emperor died. Yet it never did. Horus did his job; he turned the entire human species into a factory farm of violence, pain, suffering, and war - emotions he feeds on. For 10,000 years, he's fed upon the Imperium and all other races, just as he had on Aeldari, Krorks, Necrons, and Kinebrach before as the infinite otherness and civilizations that came before and after humanity. It's why, despite his power, knowledge, and influence, he and the other Chaos Gods rarely interfere with the Materium despite their capability, as, in truth, there's no need for them to do so.
yeah it makes sense, khorne is like a (red) stew of concepts, some very important and mayor sources of his power, like melee, duel, Tyranny, Suffering, Development but others barely synergize for example honor is implied to have been his mayor source of strengh when he was still a mortal, who knows how long ago, but now he is bound by it, so he keeps trying to twist it, pushing his view of honor (the one that benefits him) as the right one, but Khorne is honestly the weirdest and posibly the weakest one of the bunch, for example as you mentioned he can feed of rape, but only as long as its purely to humilliate one, and no one enjoys it, and neither person find each other atractive... etc, otherwise it goes to Slaanesh, Khorne concepts synergize less and are more easily "disturbed" at least in theory all you have to do to kill a Khornate demon is beat him in single combat and add his skull to your skull seat, of course its easier said than done, but to kill a Tzeentch demon you have to win a 7d multiverse time travel ultra game or some nonsense like that, it always bothers me how he insists to castrate his followers and kills those who felt lust or dont enjoy battle hard enough, my theory is that he has a no-betrayal/loyalty /exclusive concept and an strongest/exponential-growth concept so when one of his followers has a lewd thought he loses power, then he loses more power due to breaching exclusivity, then he loses power since he is weaker, his exponential is smaller so he keeps getting weaker... so he is obligated to send a raid force to stop his exponential weakening. On the other end, if Khorne wins, the universe and every star is drenched in blood, everyone is fighting everyone, Khorne is at the strongest he can ever be... and then everyone begins to slowly die off due to lack of resouces, Khorne doesnt farm, he raids after all, eventually everyone dies and Khorne turns to nothing, maybe he goes to embody primal, celular sized violence?, he is not self sustaining. Unlike Nurgle who can keep everying in a dying state, rotting for eternity, Slaanesh who would continue its orgy forever, and tzeentch who needs like 3 demons on a barren rock ploting agaisnt each other to remain alive. Khorne could maybe stay alive if he is in a duel with someone as strong as him for eternity? but then his concept of strongest and tiranny and all the others based on dominating wont work, besides if he is the last one who would he duel with? i think he is trying desperately to find a combination that both works and lets him live after, at the begining of the timeline, 30k and old books, he has a strong sense of honour even punishing those who kill inocents, at some point he stopped doing that, probably because it didnt make him strong enough, which shows weakness, the others barely changed in forever
@@gameplaysuffering1620 He also thrives off not just conflict but development and growth too. The galaxy is just balls to the wall crazy atm. Another commenter said it themselves. As long as something seeks to thrive etc. He doesn't want everything to die, he requires sentience. So like, working out, building, using tools, development into something better. Honouring tradition. Using instincts. As long as something sentient seeks to get stronger or improve itself on it's own merits, increase it's physical prowess, he'll live. Like he unironically would be alive if he followed around a common housecat that made an impressive jump and climbed up a wall using it's physical prowess or just prowling around looking for stuff he'd be okay. He's a many tiered conceptual god. Focus, truth, honour, he thrives off those too.
@@nexusthenormie5578 With Slaanesh people think its clever to repeat the cliche line he is not about sex myaan and get upset at the "seductive" image but Slaanesh is raw selfish lust. Hence the opposite of Khorne as Khorne is hatred and the desire to eradicate while Slaanesh is lust or even "love" and the desire to experience everything and excess self love. The lust can be lust for food or fighting too though but Slaanesh is about seduction into giving into only desire hence the "seductive" look
4:19 Unironically yes. We are talking about a chaos god whom feeds on souls, torment, and rage. But, unlike with the other gods, you can reasonably expect your warband leader to be either somewhat competant, or a monster on the battlefield. If he isent, one can challenge him openly and take his spot. With the other three, the man at the top of the warband isent always the best to fill the role, its mearly who was best at stabbing another person in the back, or seizung an oppurtunity. Honor for 40k has nothing to do with moral righteousness, saving the weak, etc. its more about facing your obstacle head on, and without relying on a crutch to see you overcome it. Trying to use a contemporary definition to honor and trying to apply that to 40k will simply leave you with the fact that absolutly no one is honorable Edit: 6:18 Khornes distaste for magic and sorcery comes from much what i mentioned above. In a universe where one psyker can wipe away an entire field if not an entire world, or mutate entire battalions of guard into chaos spawn, or if we go into the other gods, causing everyone within a mile radius to become diseases or become enamored by their greatest dreams, Khorne roids really dont fit the bill in comparison. While his gifts are definitly warp based, they only emhanced the warriors ability to fight, and never multiply it to apocolyptic scales. You wont see Kharn waving his hand and destroying an entire army in the same way Ahrinan or Typhus would.
Your argument about Khorne being honourable is nonsensical. "Killing innocent civilians is honourable because the guy doing it is good at it." Is the essence of your argument, which is absolutely idiotic. Competence =/= honour, I don't know where you got that from. And no, you can't just change the definition of honour just because "It's warhammer things are different here!" That's both idiotic and not how morallity works. "Trying to use a contemporary definition to honor and trying to apply that to 40k will simply leave you with the fact that absolutly no one is honorable" Even if that were true, that doesn't matter. Being honourable is to live up to a standard of how your treat your friends and foes that grants them dignity and respect, if nobody does that, then nobody is honourable. Just because everyone is shitty doesn't suddently make the definition of honour change.
@loldiamond1017 then we fundementally change factions, such as the imperial knights who very much are all about Honor, but not in the contemporary manner. Honor does not have the same rules in 40k as it did in the medieval era of reality, because the rules of what is allowed has drastically changed. This would also be why they dont consider the purges astartes tend to bring to corrupted or xenophilic worlds as "dishonorable" either. If you unironically believe that morality doesent drastically change between 40k and reality, you havent delved enough into the universe. This is even a point Angron makes to Guilliman during the Shadow Crusade.
The fact that you give into KHorne proves that you as a warrior are not enough. Thus you give yourself over to a twisted rage god that will be your new master.
"Faithful... enlightened... ambitious... brethren. In but a single decade, a few mere swipes of the pendulum, we have gathered a sacrifice to Khorne that will be made legend. Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that illuminated me during my centuries upon the Judgement of Carrion... ...it was Khorne's messenger who showed me the true path of freedom from our pathetic corpse-Emperor. And what is this path? This meaning, this purpose to which we gather the skulls of our foes? It is nothing. There is no meaning, no purpose. We murder. We kill. It is mindless savagery, this UNIVERSE IS MINDLESS! In mere hours, billions will die. Innocent! Guilty! Strong and weak! Honest and deceitful! ALL of them! They will scream, they will burn, and for no purpose but that mighty Khorne may revel in their bloodshed! And united in this void of purpose, fear, or duty... we shall at long last be free! Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! LET! THE GALAXY! BURN!" - Azariah Kyras, Dawn Of War II Retribution
”Khorne dosent strike whitout purpose”, thats just completly wrong, khorne fights for sake of fighting, wages war for sake of waging war and battles for sake of battling, he will do it fairly, but does it whitout a cause. Even tho his followers have causes that lead them to fight, its the willingness to fight that gains khornes attention and favor, but your cause is meaningless to him.
Yeah, that's the best way to summarise him: Khorne is a god of rage, of bloodlust and violence. he/it favours honesty and straight-fowardness, yes, but that's about it when it comes to his positive aspects.
Oh he does it fairly huh? You haven’t read any of the books with khorne, even the Angron books recently, huh? There is not a single fair thing in the wars he waged.
@@Chang-u6e Khorne follows personal code of honor, that does not necessarerly extend to his followers, as the act violence and collecting skulls of worthy warriors takes precidence.
All the gods are liars. Slaanesh, for example, isn't the god of pleasure and emotion, they're the god of dissatisfaction, unhappiness and depression. They push their followers into greater extremes, and when they reach them, whatever satisfaction they feel is short-lived. Soon enough, whatever gave them pleasure before, leaves them feeling nothing, and it's that nothing that drives them to greater extremes.
There is a story in Age of Sigmar where the forces of Khorne were beseiging a city of wizards and were losing pretty badly. Khorne got so pissed that he summoned a giant fist and smashed the city from the sky. All that bullshit about honor and hating magic goes out of the window once Khorne gets pissed
All eight points points have their truths and their lies. Only a strong mind can join the game and push where they pull, gain the strength where they give us weakness.
They definitely do. Plenty of heroic characters and self-sacrifice for others and kind deeds exist in the 40k setting if you read the books and whatnot. Even the Emperor has suffered a fate worse than death for 10,000 years for the sake of humanity. Sitting on the Golden Throne is like being in Hell. And there are entire pleasure planets and farming planets that are idyllic and peaceful in the Imperium. It's mainly just the limited perspective we get of the Imperium through the warriors of the various races that make it seem like absolutely everything in 40K is horrible.
They do, I think all emotions not just chaotic ones find power with enough belief, just that there is not a lot to go around in the grim dankness where there is only war
If morality is objective then Khorne is evil. If morality is subjective then I choose to embrace the morality which feels most natural to me, which means Khorne is evil.
@ Geoffroi de Charny's perception of honor is the one true code of honor that all humans agree on, obviously. He would never have been allowed to bear the Oriflamme otherwise.
Like Angron of Nuceria, Khorne chains you as his slave. Your freedom of sanity robed for enslavement of maddness. 'Sanity is for the weak!' Says the good slave.
No entity born of the Warp could be considered truly divine. They are parasites, predators, and beings that only know hunger. They will do anything and everything to make humanity their next meal, and they don't even work with one another, as much as tolerate one another temporarily to ensure that their feasting never ends. Deaden sensation, and Slaanesh dies. Deaden emotion, and Khorne dies. Deaden flesh, and Nurgle dies. Deaden selfish ambition, and Tzeentch dies. What, then, is left in the absence of those things? Instead of sensation, you have contemplation. Instead of emotional impulses, you have self-control. Instead of flesh, you have spirit. Instead of selfish ambition, you have kindness and compassion. Chaos is parasitic, and it is the worst of humanity. In particular, Khorne is a hypocrite. He does not care about honor anymore than Tzeentch does, he just knows that if he plays off of man's desire for honor and glory, that the most rage-filled and mighty warriors will flock to his banner when they aren't satisfied. In fact, it could be argued that Khorne is worse than Tzeentch in regards to his hypocrisy, because at least with Tzeentch, contradiction and endless change are advertised openly. With Khorne, however, he will do everything to make himself seem honorable and trustworthy only to betray you in every principle for his own benefit. Rage does not bequeath honor, only senseless destruction.
One time, Kharn had such a wonderful time in battle. He faved and slew many champions of the Imperium, each stronger than the last. He wondered why, what was this leading up to? He finished off the mighty Celestine and shortly after, he was surrounded by the Black Legion. The Despoiler had come for him, he sought to use him in his war, to be his subordinate, to shackle him. Claiming to be the Chosen of the gods; Khorne included. Ha, he knew he was Khorne's favored, he would not be shackled, he would not serve the pantheon, he served Khorne and only him, and what Khorne wanted was for him to claim the skull of this most worthy of foes at last! So he fought Abaddon, to all there, they were evenly matched, it was glorious, dare I say, he was happy. But then, they came, eight Bloodthirsters of Khorne, heralds of the Blood god, come to stop the match, to stop Kharn from doing the one thing he was supposed to do. The Blood god, stopping a match, and ordering his own champion to become a lapdog of the warmaster. If he somehow didn't know before, he better know it now, Khorne does NOT Respect You.
Dorn is a being of controlled rage, think about how quickly he snaps in the Horus Heresy books. He holds on to his rage until he has a controlled way to release the rage, for either a benefit or at least not a way that would destroy what he is trying to accomplish. Khorne does not see the purpose of that control and was trying to erode that control. Dorn is controlled rage, Khrone needed to erode that. Sanguinius is that acceptance of a needed sacrifice if needed. Nurgle was offering a path away from that sacrifice. The Emperor of Mankind while he was interested in excesses, he choose to remain human. Slanesh was offering rest to a tired soul or to be the Dark King. Constantin Valdor is the pursuit of needed knowledge and staying true to his purpose. Where Tzeentch wanted the knowledge to change Valdor. This is the reason why Horus wanted to make these 4 into followers of Chaos, because the four wanted to these souls.
I think regardless of what virtues the gods claim to embody at the end of the day their bottom line is enslaving people to feed the emotions associated with their creation
the Gods never claim to embody them, only those in their cults who want more people to join said cults claim they have those things, much like Nikea where its openly shown to be these nice things but then when you're inside the cult itself you realize its all a mask and the truth of the Gods.
Nice video, nicely edited. As a khorne fan, i just have some things to say : Khorne is at his very core the intense rage and will to hurt and destroy other. The rest is as you said But the idea that chaos gods have positive attributes is mode of a fantasy tidbit that was abandoned in other settings. You also talk of Khorne as if he is a single, cohesive entity. Personnaly, i don't think the chaos gods are. They are worshipped under many names and forms, (especially in 40k) so much so that i think they are a shifting blob of emotions and concepts, who barely manages to form a cohesive mind, more than the contrary.
You'd be wrong then. The Chaos Gods are their aggregate nature, for they always have been and always will be. There is no shifting, no change, only what they are. This is why Tzeentch can never NOT plot, despite THAT being true change. It's why Slaanesh must always seek new experiences, Nurgle can never discard what does not work, Khorne cannot cultivate or build only destroy. The Chaos Gods are a single emotion. Khorne is destruction, not rage. He does not grant rage as a boon, he grants it as a curse(see: Skarbrand).
Good points except one thing, the manifestations or sentience of the individual entites themselves are a singular cohesive entity, the Name behind it, however the domain/raw spectrum of their domaine can have different depictions by mortals that are true. The example we're directly shown is Slaanesh's birth, where her concepts of excess, indulgence, etc etc all existed throughout all of time, however the individual Slaanesh who is a fully manifested individual who does not bend in that way was given shape and born way after. Concepts like indulgence and excess have existed throughout time, but Slaanesh as an individual didn't until given shape and born with a will, all the names reflect that Slaanesh the individual is a singular concept, The Quasar (Used in context of "A Question of can I do this, answered as yes", Excess, the corruptor, etc etc. All defining they are an individual who represents moral depravity and creativity that can always grow or become worse, these are all just names people give the idea of Slaanesh to try and represent the defined concept in their minds.
The Chaos Gods represent positive attributes like personal strength and the drive for self-improvement (Khorne), life and stoicism (Nurgle), self-expression and experimentation (Slaanesh) or hope and the thirst for knowledge (Tzeench). It's just that, being Chaos Gods, they take those positives to their absolutely illogical conclusions until they become just as toxic and destructive as their negative attributes.
Yea it seems they are forces of nature personified (because Warhammer lore) rather than gods with personages in the 'Olympian' sense. In many ways their worshippers shape them more than the other way around.
Khorne is honest in the way that he'll make sure you know if you displeased him. Tzeentch may dangle the idea of a succesfull ploy in front of you and string you along with potential victory, only to screw you over in the pivotal moment. Khorne will just smite you, or sic one of his other champions upon you to punish you. He's pretty straightforward: spill blood in his name and you will be rewarded. Fail in this, show weakness or displease him, and you skull will be added to his throne. As for the usage of magic weapons, personally I think it goes rather along the way of him being okay with magic weapons as a flaming sword that can cut daemons still requires the martial skill of its wielder. Sorcery by comparison trivializes martial combat into a magic show and the skill of the respective warrior becomes meaningless. A magical weapon may also level the playing field just as much as it distorts it. Sure, a warhammer that crashes down with the explosive might of a meteor with every swing is totally unfair against ordinary mortal soldiers. It does however enable a warrior to fight evenly against mightier foes, like the daemons of the other gods. And as for the usage of trickery: Khorne is a war god, and as the old saying goes: in love and war, everything's fair. Feints, counter-attacks, ambushes and other strategies that do not involve storming into a firing line face-first are valid, so long as blood is spilled. Most of his followers are just too deranged to think of something like this. A good example of a functional cult army of Khorne is the Blood Pact, which employs strategies and tactics to rival the Imperial Guard and even makes use of xenos mercenaries. Khorne appreciates warriors. But 'warrior' is a broad term. There's the honorable knight who defends the weak, the noble savage who hunts mighty beasts and the deranged lunatic who hacks away at everything with a pulse. He demands that you seek out worthy challenges to test your skill and he will punish you if you rather start taking pot-shots at children or the elderly. Find an enemy soldier and bite his head off. Once all the enemy soldiers are dead, THEN you can go ahead and kill the civilians, as after all: all blood pleases Khorne. But do not shirk from a warriors challenge for sadistic pleasure, that's the way of Slaanesh. In that way he embraces both the Norscan barbarian who seeks out beasts to hunt for glory and mighty songs, and the World Eater Berzerker who hacks apart his own brothers in arms in a mad frenzy. Khorne is the god of war, and in war you will find both the honorable fighter and the savage maniac. Khorne is simple in his tastes and demands, but those can manifest themselves in a myriad of different ways. Naturally all of those still ultimately will end in endless slavery to a daemon god that will just as happily bless you as he will discard you life and claim your skull.
Given how Khorne turned Angron into a practically mindless brute who is not aware of his own servitude, when Angron has always been about hating tyrants, I’d say Khorne has no problem lying to secure the service of his followers.
It's almost like the chaos gods are all hypocrites and by their own nature contradictory. The god of change commands a legion of stagnant dust zombies and the god of stagnation commands the death Guard who celebrated the mutation of their bodies as holy gifts.
warhammer gods as manifestation of destructive coping mechanism for reality of life Khorne is god of performative grindset and grift, effort and agression without valid reason Nurgle is god of toxic positivity , refusal for change of destructive habbits and love bombing cults Slanesh is god of addiction hedonism and short term gratification Tzeench is god of theory crafting, daydreaming , sacrificing everything for ambition Big E is god of losing yourself for collective or idea, "necessary evil" and "white lies"
Khorne: "I don't want you zapping my enemies with sorcery lightning from your hands, take this magical daemon sword, don't worry about that though it's ok to slay with it"
Tzeentch is the most honest Chaos God. "I'm a manipulative, scheming, faithless, abusive jerk who will make your every action serve me. I will betray any of my followers whenever I wish and am a master of deceit. Everything I offer you is utterly unnatural and I don't pretend for a second any of you are more than pawns I will consume at will. Want in?" "Why would we join then?" "Have you seen the Imperium? It's all that, but self-righteous about it and doesn't offer you powers."
I mean he doesn't care about you, but compared to the other gods (including the emperor) he doesn't pretend to care about you either. Are u useful to him? He will reward you. Reap skulls, get paid in EXP, simple as.
But that's *never* the sales pitch, now is it? At the start, Khorne worshipers want the strength he grants for *something;* Maybe they want revenge, or they want to overthrow their oppressors, or they want to survive in a hostile universe, or they want glory, etc, but that strength is a means to an end. But with time all that is eroded and buried under the growing mindless rage and bloodlust until the only end that power is being put into is destruction for destruction's sake which, not coincidentally, benefits no one other than Khorne himself.
"A god of war, strife and carnage doesn't respect you...he respects your actions, not the solider who does so in his name etched in blood with a pile of head hunts that scale sky high...but in the darkness of the 41st millennium, he's a monster...the truest form of a daemon...but in essence he might be the "kindier" of the four...isn't it ironic? If you had to choose between unending torment by the servants of Slaanesh, the unmaking pours and boils of Nurgle, or the visions of grandeur and insanity of Tzeentch....would you not cave and slaughter and slay all therein...? For the broken man...or the oppressed man, anger is his shield...and hatred his howling axe."
I hope in the 5th video (or the final one, if he includes all the other gods) he talks about the hypocricies of the imperial cult. Would be a nice way of showing that while yes, the imperium is better than chaos, it is still a hellish system of government.
I think I've read once that Khorne doesn't hate magic users because they use magic, but rather because "they steal the power of the Gods and cravenly call it their own". So it's more of a "Khorne wants you to fight by your own means, rather than by relying on borrowed power". But other than that as my one nitpick, I really enjoyed this video. Great analysis, like the Nurgle one. Hope we get to see Tzeentch and Slaanesh in the future as well.
Yup, its why he's fine with Incantations, but not Sorcery, Sorcery isn't your own power, you're not strong you're just borrowing someone elses rather then growing strong yourself and thus makes you undeserving, especially if you haven't earned it.
@@Chang-u6e He is, of course, lying, because his gifts can grant the powers that a psyker could invoke with the power of their mind. He's only fine with using the power of the Warp that he grants rather than the power a psyker takes. And taking into account how difficult, dangerous and often painful it is to properly harness and develop psychic might, it's rather rich saying they haven't earned it.
@@CteCrassusKhorne just throws a hissy fit when somebody does on their own something that his worshippers need to suck his dick for fifty years for him to do. And if he is mad that some lvl100 BloodyMCManskinner the Terrible can die to a random magic projectile from some skinny sorcerer, then I am not sure why he is not mad about for example guns or tanks which can achieve the same results.
You are incredibly good at these dissections and different points of views. I would love a short story where one of the other Chaos gods pointed this out to him like "I know exactly what I am. But you? You love pretending don't you?"
Khorne Fans would be very mad with you right now, if they could read. Although they are still mad, like always. Not just at you, more like at everything.
Khorne IS the god of honor, just like Slaanesh is the god of perfection: Both are manifestations of a noble concept, perverted by humanity's own flaws projected in the warp. Honor in war becomes desire for bloodshed, perfectionism becomes obsession. And there's no more "honorable" bloodshed for him than slaughtering your enemies with your own hands, that's why he also hates sorcerers so much.
@@nothing-of5yc 40k chaos is interesting, my suggestion is to ignore anything the fandom says and just read the actual books, and honestly listening to specific Loretubers can also be fine at time. 99% of the fandom regurgitate some youtube short/tiktok nonsense that leaves out either 99% of the context or is straight up inaccurate headcanon, so there's no value in reading commentary on discord or in forum threads when it comes to anything 40k lore, unless you just want to make fun of people who never actually read the novels but feel the need to comment something inaccurate. (The misinfo-chimps have been a severe problem for several years now, you will hear this bitched about for a long time now from basically everyone. The problem comes from the costs/numbers of books making it inaccessible to the average audience to read every single one vs the heavy growing interest in 40k every year by mainstream audiences)
_From behind the veil, Angron hears laughter. A god, laughing at him, because it cares not from whence the blood flows. The death of the Lord of the Red Sands is as pleasing to this divinity as the death of any other champion._ _-Echoes of Eternity_
The Emperor is every bit as bad as the rest of them. To give yourself to The Emperor is to indulge in a delusion no less horrifying than any the Chaos Gods try to promote. His followers claim that he is the embodiment of selfless action, moral uprightness, and hope, but it's all a lie. With The Emperor, your life is not your own. You are pressed under the boot of an uncaring tyrant who takes everything from you, grinding down your pride and self-respect until you're nothing but an emotionless tool, ready to unquestioningly obey orders without hesitation or restraint. His supporters will claim he gives men the strength to keep going when things seem darkest, and the will to remain virtuous in the midst of a fallen, sinful world, where beings like the Chaos Gods run rampant and unchecked and horrors like the Tyranids threaten to consume all of creation. But he does not. He does not give you the strength to keep going, he simply encourages you to deny reality in a wave of self-righteous delusion. He does not give you the will to remain virtuous, he emotionally castrates you. The Emperor and his servants have exterminated entire worlds and exploit countless others in the most insidiously cruel ways, yet they claim it is all for a greater good and a righteous cause. They promote humanity as manifestation of divinity itself, yet treat human life as disposable and replaceable. The Emperor does not give you a higher purpose and a reason to live, he simply takes away your ability to think independently, molding you into something less than even a slave. His vision for Humanity is that of cattle, cattle who quietly and obediently head straight to the slaughterhouse so that their flesh and bones might be of use to their overlords. He does not love you, he does not care about you, he only cares about controlling you and exploiting you for everything you have.
I've always regarded Khorne's so-called honour as being the morality of a schoolyard bully. He knows he's likely to win in a straight-up fight but that he's lacking in just about everything else apart from a degree of low cunning, so he decries as dishonourable any means by which his victims might fight back that aren't playing to his strengths. There's no more honour in it than a despotic ruler demanding every dispute be run through the courts (where, naturally, the ruler controls the outcome). Some of the very early material did have "only fight worthy opponents" as part of his creed, but that was Flanderised out pretty quickly, and even that raises the issue of "when you've killed all the combatants and moved on, what's going to happen to the noncombatants you left behind in a world with plenty of other threats?". Ironically, that's now become something that orcs are more associated with, although goblins are usually quite happy to get their jollies out of tormenting the helpless.
"Khorne is the god of Honor"
-Brutus the Babykiller, average Khorne Champion
In fairness honor is just built from mutual expectation, they have a mutual understanding that you'll slug it out and kill the shit out of one another instead of lie, cheat, steal etc etc etc. It's all about being straight forward and standing your ground.
Tbf Khorne frowns upon killing “unhonorbale” combatants. So while he’s not going to be “mad” if that’s your main thing, he will certainly not RESPECT you if you only go after the weak.
Yes.
Small skulls fit fine next to bug skulls
Honor is contextual. He’s a God of combat. Khorne will not lie, he will not stab you in the back (he’ll stab you in the face) and his favorite kind of “manipulation” is ugly truth.
Babykiller is unironically a kickass song by devourment though
"Khorne is the god of honor "
"Your wearing a toddlers skull as a cod piece "
It fits doesent it?
That sound like a slanesh thing ngl
@@ohnoanyway6096 it would be if the toddler were still alive
"The toddler demanded an honor duel. His fault."
@ ah well... skill issue, in that case
You're telling me the CHAOS god of BLOOD and MURDER is a bad guy?
So Khorne fan boys still claims that he don't wants his followers to kill the weak and unarmed. They often uses Liber Chaotica as they source, but if you ask for a page so you can find it in you vision of the book, they never want to tell you where to find it.
You talk like that’s inherently bad.
Somebody hasn't been paying attention
Bruh actually got comments from sociopaths saying, "But murder isn't inherently bad...!" when entire social structures and governments down to fundamental human laws everyone but sociopaths agree on cant exist.
Fucking crazy.
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More as in being weak and unable to fight is bad.
as a World Eater, that title can't stop me because I can't read
Vera Libertas
War Hounds were better
@ AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- *yeah*
noah?
@ who?
What I've come to realize from these videos is that ironically, the Lord of Lies is the most honest of the chaos gods.
You can always trust a liar to be dishonest
Rule 1 of Tzeentch worship: you cannot outwit Tzeentch
Rule 2 of Tzeentch worship: you must try
Rule 3 of Tzeentch worship: there are no rules
Rule 4 of Tzeentch worship: the next rule is a lie
Rule 5 of Tzeentch Worship: the previous rule is true
Even with half truths, is still an honest liar. He'll give promises, but with limits disguised as choices. Always out of reach, always with costs
Tzeentch is the one that I could see as being chaotic neutral rather than being definitely evil - there's at least a possibility that the damage he does is simply the consequence of him treating the material world as a chessboard rather than being the point of his activities.
I'd say Khorne is still the most honest because he doesn't hide what he is, or the deal. You sign up to be his eternal servant, to spill blood wherever it may be and collect skulls for his throne, and he gives you the strength to do it. Can't back out, can't negotiate a deal, that's the deal. There is no lie, but it preys on the short-sighted especially, and for those like Angron who have something where they literally feel nothing BUT rage, they're doomed to fall to Khorne. Yeah, Tzeentch is called The Lord of Lies for a reason, making a deal with him is bound to be tricky and never in your favor, but Khorne's stuff is deceptively simple, and feeds on wrath. After all, why lie to those who are seeking you out and will do what you tell them to for their petty revenge? Why would you lie to them when their wrath will make them sign up anyways? It's brutally efficient, and it will always bring angry people to be his servants. Out of all 4, Khorne would probably be the longest-lasting in terms of active interaction with Mortals because humans irl fall to anger all the time. With Tzeentch and Khorne both, you know their business, but with Khorne the true intention is there on the tin. And that's why it's so terrifying.
Of course when a Chaos God tells me he's not a liar and can only tell the brutal and honest truth I would believe him, for what is a Chaos God if not inherently trustworthy? Khorne would never use me for his sick and twisted view of what it means to be honourable, he would never grind my mind down to it's most simple and primitive state. No the honourable Khorne would only give me the strength needed to fight for what is right and true. One only needs to take a look at his most loyal servants. Kharn known as the betrayer, for butchering his own brothers and his red „angel“ Angron who has become nothing but an endless pit of pain, anger and blinding unending rage. Truly the blood god represents honor and courage.
TBF, the Chaos Gods did get a mean streak ever since the War in Heaven and their weaponisation/creation by the Old Ones.
Its not impossible that they did start out with their most beneficial traits, but since then twisted its meaning because they could start exponentially consuming souls if they just made a downward spiral of chaos, pushing others to give even more of themselves to them etc...
The Inquisition likes this sarcasm citizen, we'll make sure to tell your supervisor to give an extra ration of corpse starch. Praise be the Emperor
I love the sarcasm dripping off of this
@@Freedmoon44 You need to actually read the lore. The Chaos Gods were not weaponized nor created by the Old Ones. They never once had beneficial traits, they never once were anything but what they are. The Chaos Gods are and always were.
@@ZeroNumerous explain the sources which claim that daemons didn´t exist (at least not in their current form) before the War in Heaven, then. Before that war, the warp is described as being 'calm'. It was the Sea of Souls, not the lovecraftian nightmare it is in 40k.
"Nurgle is a god of loving community"
-Poxwalker Plaguespreader, average Nurgle Champion
"Slaanesh is a god of fun"
-Painus Eyebleeder, average Slaanesh Champion
"Tzeentch is the path to power"
-Magus Wizo, several seconds before becoming a chaos spawn (tzeentch thought it'd be funny)
"Oh my god! Tzeentch will turn you into a chaos spawn and give you mutations for funzies!"
Says the guy with a crab claw, or the one with a mouth for a stomach, or the one with red skin.
Complaining about mutation in Chaos is like saying there's water in the ocean.
Edit: I have no doubt Magos Wizo over there WANTED power but either chose to use it in an easy manner (should have joined Nurgle then, poser) or he's literally incapable of doing anything for the sake of change.
@@CryptidZealot There's a difference between just getting mutations and turning into a chaos spawn, my dude. Mutations can be beneficial, being an unthinking writhing mass of pain and screaming is never beneficial. Fuck.
"Painus Eyebleeder" Goddamn
Honestly tzeentch is my favourite god because there is no illusion of the fact that he's an untrustworthy dickhead. Pretty much all his serious followers hate him, and are under no pretence that tzeentch is good. To all of them, he's a means to an end, and they understand they're basically playing the roulette wheel of either gaining power, or being rendered into muck.
Somehow, by being the most dishonest and confusing god of the bunch, tzeentch is the most well understood in a macro sense.
@@Seoul_Soldier Angron seems to be enjoying it. Or the thousands upon thousands of plague trees (innocent people who died from Nurgle's rot by the way) do as well.
I still recall a scene in the Dawn of Fire series where a Khorne Berzerker lets some Militarum shoot him. The Berzerker says something along the lines of, “in recognition of your weakness, honor demands I allow you one chance to kill me.”
So I believe that some of his champions do have a sense of warrior honor. If some Berzerker does nothing but massacre harmless civilians, yeah Khorne doesn’t care whence the blood flows but his peers will probably start to think he’s a coward.
I’d imagine he doesn’t care about where the blood flows but prefers blood earned in actual combat, not easy slaughter.
These khorne berserkers deceived themselves. They knew beforehand that a strike from a guardsman was not going to hurt them. It's the same when I would abstain from doomscrolling for one hour, full knowing that I am capable of achieving it, therefore I put "one hour" as a limit, and then pat myself on the back for having done a good job.
Yeah to me thats a bit like offering a senile old man armed with a plastic spork a free swing at you - while you are standing 10ft over him with a double handed greatsword
@@dystopianchimpare you going to make videos on every chaos god complaining on how they are actually super evil with no redeeming qualities? Cause that’s just lame and factual wrong.
@@maninthemask6275 what?
Next video: Gork isn't brutal yet kunnin
Maybe mork is kunning and a bit brutal
HAIR-UH-SEE!!! * DAKKA *
Or maybe,
Gork: The God of Dryness
Mork: The God of Pedantism
NAW LISHEN ERE YA FU-
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Wow I can’t believe the guy who promised me honesty and honor pulled a quick one on me
No gods only parasites
such pleb talk :0
by that way of thinking -anyone with power, anyone with leadership position, and all the warp related gods and non-warp gods and even the emperor ALL are "parasites".
its the skin cell complaining about the tyranny of the brain.
Fabius Bile coded
"I think therefore I am, they do not so they are not"
This insinuates that the God Emperor is in turn a parasite, which is objectively untrue. I will be reporting this to the nearest Inquisitor.
Yep, as Dorn said once before " there are no gods, not even you"
Khorne's "freedom" is really best shown in his most powerful champion, Angron
"You were born a slave and a slave you remain"
- Perturabo, dropping a Cyclonic-torpedo-level burn.
@@CteCrassus Angron's soul : HEY ASSHOLE ! I DID NOT CONSCENT TO THIS SHIT !
True, and his world eaters reaction to him transforming into a chaos prince was a good indicator how tired they were fighting for him, their only wish is to see their primarch finally get some peace from that butchers nails but lorgar fucked it all up by making Angrons body a eternal tool for Khorne.
@@uberfeel At the end of the Arks of Omen's. When Angron is trying to destroy the Lighthouse that is tormenting him - he is struggling. He then feels a "hand" and his shoulder that gives him the strength to crack the planet in half and turn sisters and cause the first instance of Primaris falling to Chaos. The pain of the nails went away and goes away for 8 weeks, 8 days and 8 hours until he re-manifests. Angron got more love from Khorne than the Emperor ever gave him and he's not even the Primarch he wanted.
@@notjustanother3191 Still almost no love at all. This is textbook abusive father behavior, stopping the beatings temporarily if you can't take it anymore despite trying your best. Not stopping the beatings permanently, just long enough to let you regain some hope, and to train you to always keep striving for his unobtainable approval. That said, I don't think the big E handled the situation very well at all. Seriously, just leave 2 custodes on Nuceria to help conquer the planet (way overkill, probably) and carry on with the great crusade.
That's something people always leave out, the 'nice' parts of the Chaos Gods are something they have claim to. They are primarily their evil aspects, and the kind parts are things they picked up on the side.
I personally view any 'nice' claims of them being stuff the mortals themselves tell themselves to cope. Much like how in IRL mythology, god pantheons tended to have forces of nature also then tied to things others would find desirable. These more beneficent legends and outlooks then can act as honeypots, slowly turning towards a slippery slope of the true nature of the god once the worship is properly rooted and the god's attention is properly on them.
It’s simply that the chaos gods in fantasy have good aspects, while 40k has chaos god variants that were made to not have any good aspects as apart of GW and BL wanting the two settings to be distinctly different.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 If all galactic sentient life were to be wiped out; so would the chaos gods. Kind of gives a slightly more interesting take on the Tyranids. Being extra-galactic the chaos gods can't psychically affect them. Maybe they actually were weapons designed to scourge the galaxy because of the chaos problem. The Orks are so dumb the chaos gods can't really effect them either. Chaos is exclusively a human/eldar fuelled problem afaik
@@gratuitouslurking8610Chaos gods are literally manifestations of mortal perception. If enough psychic mortals see them having nice sides then they will get a nice side.
The greater good also manifests despite being fully cope. They dont really have a solid true form or nature They are manifestations of faith
@@oliverjamesatkinsonpretty much any being within the galaxy that has a connection to the warp can be corrupted by Chaos, and those outside of that connection are immune to it.
The Orks have their own warp thingie were they pretty much “filter” the warp energy for their own network, as in WAAAGH energy - they were created specifically to fight Golden Era Eldar so it makes sense.
The Tyranids have their own thing aswell since they come from outside the galaxy, and the warp seems to be limited to there as far as we know
As Khrone says: "You can't burn down an orphanage for desert unless you slay someone at your equal strength for dinner."
Also the Murder Curse when he basically enslaved by using warp sorcery a whole planet worth of loyalist forces by taking control of their minds.
The Murder-Curse? Great point !
@ literally just overrides the mind of the victim via VERY MUCH A WARP SPELL and turns anybody into a mindless, cannibalistic husk enslaved to Khorne. It was used by Khorne through Angron, his slave-primarch btw. So… it was magic, which used mind-bending and ENTIRELY against their will took control over enemy warriors who were otherwise fighting a good battle against Khorne forces… Very much not “honourable” or “honest”.
Warp sorcery is a specific term used for individuals who borrow powers from an entity to cast psyscience related abilities. Murder Curse like alot of Khornes and Big E's powers is more in line with Faith-based Incantations directed from the presence or action of an entity itself. That being said, due to how manifestations of power work across the entire universe of 40k, its still equally hypocritical to be against psykers and sorcerers for the reasons he is against it when he offers the same reasonings.
Old lore, thats likely been mixed with fantasy, had Khorne's view of wizards/sorcerers/psychics come from not only "dishonourable" kills but also taking claim to the domain of gods by using magic. He gets to use magic himself as he's a god, all the rituals and what else his bloody clergy gets to is them requesting for manifastations and what are those but khorne using magic even if it takes the form of a giant half-spiritual sword that blows up battlefield/country/planet. And this more divine magics checked out with fantasy (especially rpg line) where divine magics were often much less than they arcane counterpart but much safer to use (and technically easier) due to the actual caster being well... a god
@@Kokszothe murder curse came from the arks of omen: angron book its barely a year old
BLOOD FOR THE BL....*pauses*
*Head slumps and sighs*
My life has been a lie.
Blood for the emperor! Skulls for the golden throne!
You were never truly devoted, if one misinformed video can shake your faith
@@jaykkinell7267 -Darktide zealot, who’s definitely not seeing khorne as his side gig
Up next: “Slaanesh is not a pleasure god” with the thumbnail "god of boredom"
“Slaanesh doesn’t want you to have fun” would be a better title.mor in line with the others.
"Slaanesh does not want to bang you"
It’s funny cause it’s true any new great experience his followers finds he literally takes the enjoyment for himself leaving them wanting more
More like “Not a God of pleasure” because Slaanesh makes you lose your limits, gradually making all pleasures dull and fleeting, like not being able to satiate yourself anymore. Endless blueball.
I mean she’s isn’t a pleasure god, she is the god of excess, and her motus operandi is making you get bored of any and every sensation, along with making you obsessed with seeking the next one.
Another great Lecture on the Arch Enemy by our Local Ordo Mallus Inquisitor, I shall be sure to report for the compulsory mind wipe.
May the Holy God Emperor, Beloved by All, bless you on this day child
Can I get a mind wipe too? The voices seem to have gotten more "aggressive" after seeing this video...
-Local Sanctioned Psyker
An oft overlooked tidbit of lore is that when Khaine, the eldar war god was fighting Slaanesh, he was actually able to hold his own until Khorne intervened in the fight, stabbing him in the back to break him.
Alright buddy, cite your source. Because I heard Khaine was knocked unconscious by Slaanesh's birth, and Khorne broke through the palace to claim Khaine in the firesale that was the aeldar pantheon.
@@thesaxon3966Don’t know his source, but you’re definitely wrong too.
THE MURDERED PANTHEON
At the moment of its birth, Slaanesh decimated the Aeldari pantheon and stole the gods’ power, with only two of their number surviving the Fall. The Laughing God Cegorach escaped through guile, while Kaela Mensha Khaine, the strongest and most warlike of the Aeldari deities, endured through might. Slaanesh and the Bloody-Handed God fought a titanic battle in the warp, and despite Khaine’s mastery of war, Slaanesh, glutted with stolen power, eventually proved the stronger. Exhausted from the struggle, Slaanesh could not destroy the Aeldari god completely. Instead, Khaine was rent into fragments. Each shard came to rest within the wraithbone core of a craftworld, where it took root and grew into an Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God. To this day, these murderous Avatars of Khaine are still awoken to lead the Asuryani to war.
-Codex: Craftworlds (8th Edition)
Slaanesh was absolutely hopped up on souls and power while Khaine just had his follower base mostly killed, and Khaine very nearly soloed Slanny *anyways.*
@@actuallyreallyboredand then Khorne intervened turning the possible win for Khaine into a pipe dream
Source?
@@tyronechatley5429 I wanna say the Eldar 8th edition codex, but its been a while.
The anti-chaos narative is crazy.
Big E is that you?
Wait until he gets to Slaneesh you will cry
It's not a narrative, it's facts. Chaos is bad, surprising no one.
To ne fair, so is the Imperium. Not much to make the leap from it to chaos.
In a verse full of “bad guys” chaos is the single worst thing you can be, they’re the guys everyone agrees sucks. They can make Human and Aeldari shake hands.
@@ZeroNumerousimperial propaganda
Now do one for slaanesh saying "slaanesh will never sleep with you"
Eh, i dunno about that. It leans too much into the "Slaanesh= god of Sex" misinterpretation. Honestly, I think a better one could be "Slaanesh cannot fix you" or something along those lines. Given their nature of excess and the endless persuit of perfection. The worship of always attempting to fill an empty void in your soul with mindless pleasure, constant vain enhancement and the extration of angony.
It's the gilded god, the godess of false pleasures and empty joys. A patchwork of worthless frivalities to dope it's followers into submissive addiction.
All of the false gods of Chaos are possessed of contradictions, because they aren’t distinct people. They aren’t even sentient as we think of sentience. They are agglomerations of thoughts and emotions from countless other beings, many of which are not even human. You can no more expect consistency from such an entity than you can expect it from a storm, an ocean, or a million monkeys pushing the keys of a million typewriters. It’s not hypocrisy; it’s the most extreme form of multiple personality disorder imaginable.
Honor in Khorne's eyes in to die fighting in battle. If you don't want to fight, you will still die.. the only thing that seems to be dishonorable in his eyes is to interfere in a duel... maybe.
Also since the very first warhammer rule boy, the Four Chaos Gods has been called Vile Gods.
And LITERAL backstabbing, not forgiving that one anytime soon
@@archermon373 Khorne *literally* stabbed Khaine in the back while it was dueling Slaanesh.
@@CteCrassus
I wouldn't say that's a good thing, but he did have his reasons for it. Namely, keeping Khaine out of Slaanesh's hands. Slaanesh was already glutted on the power of the other Eldar god-constructs and Khaine had no chance of winning.
Than why so they do so? Including Khorne himself.
Almost like this whole honour thing is bullshit. And its an ancient corrupted remnant of his bow gone being. Before warp became what it is.
And he doesn’t like magic. if you use magic while worshipping him he’ll tase your nuts.
Khorne is a cool guy.
T. Alvus Taurentius Florius the puppyslayer.
To be fair, there seems to be 2 sides to khorne worshippers: one more fitting for the description at the start, that embody martial might, and that consider killing the helpless while enemies with fight in them remain to be cowardly (not that the helpless wont be slaughtered once the fight is over mind you, after all a meager offering is better than no offering, but worthy foes are what Khorne truely desires, or death in battle with one failing that..)
and the other side, FAR mroe represented, is the mindless butcher that will kill anything with a pulse in reach, be it enemy, ally, of helpless citizen, all in an unsatiable frenzy
and I think the 2 sides are true, with the former possibly becoming the latter as their minds degrade further and Khorne demands more and more of them, as as with any chaos god, he is unsatiable.
as for the "khorne hates magic", I take it as Khorne despising those that would use the powers of the warp to do what martial might should achieve: as such, summonning his warriors is fine, using enchanted weapons (which is magic enslaved to the steel of a weapon when it comes to khorne's stuff) is fine, but throwing fireballs with your fingertips is not. Because then it is no longer the measure of one's skill and strengh, but of how much of the power of the gods they can steal for their own use.
I agree. Even though guns and artillery and advanced tech aren't magic, they still serve similar purposes which is why khorne and his followers shy away from it.
Khorne worshippers don't matter for the conversation, the conversation is about Khorne himself. Khorne worshippers do not 1to1 reflect Khorne, nor do any worshippers of any of the gods in 40k.
On the point of Khorne hating magic, and loving war: Khorna has a magic button on his throne that he can, at any point, press to corrupt large groups. Because that's where Chaos Primaris come from. Khorne pressed his magic berserk button, and converted an entire ship of Primaris and all its crew into Khornate madmen.
So Khorne has an instant win button he can deploy at any time, using magic.
That means anytime Khorne is not jamming his giant thumb on that button, Khorne is jobbing.
There are several examples of Khornites that are well-organied and maintain military discipline but in all cases it is a bit like trying to be responsible with heroin consumption. There more you draw on the benefits, the closer you get to developing serious withdrawal. It can be done but it requires immense control, and a class of soldier similar to Imperial commisars to keep the rest in line.
The Gods are complex and their worshippers are varied.
I think the interesting parts about Khorne slowly got weeded out due to the flanderization effect. I remember reading in old lore where one of the roles of Flesh hounds was to hunt down his warriors who only targeted the weak. Going after the weak used to be a good way to get Khorne's wrath but over time he just kinda devolved to blanket evil bad guy.
It never got weeded out, its just that people misinterpreted killing your allies as being somehow honorable, when killing weak enemies who are trying to kill you as not being honorable, just like it can be argued just because worshippers or individuals make choices that are dishonorable doesn't mean that Khorne approves of it or advocates for it, or that he does approve of it when he accepts skulls and blood from toddlers and cripples and brutalizes worlds filled with defenseless citizens in comparison to his 1000 super soldiers roided on chaos coke.
Certain parts aren't elaborated on enough, that's it. The only thing we have for any confirmation from a direction is those who make the lore saying and showing there is not good aspects to 40k chaos gods (Anymore), while also saying that Khorne values honor, while also being hypocritical on how he views said honor as his Honor Code is different to mortals. Khornes honor is shown as "You will be given atleast a minor chance to fight back and if you cant overcome you're weak and undeserving of life" and not "We would never harm the weak because they're not equal to us." they dont care about equality at all.
@@Chang-u6e Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's just frustrating seeing these interesting concepts and things you can do with them from a writing standpoint and reduce them to bad guy is bad.
It’s just that the endless glazing of Imperium by GW’s writers themselves didn’t give much way to flesh out the Chaos Gods in a comparatively approachable way, or most of the Xenos races. Like Tau used to be the only good factions until GW basically rewrote them to be mind and birth controllers cos they didn’t want any race to up-end the humans in any way.
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@@AMabud-lv7hymore like they just dont belong and dont fit i to the universe
Khorne is a butcher god, he is a monster that loves nothing more than a vampire that drinks on blood, he is a collector of skulls of anyone who wants his attention, and worse he is perhaps one of the most misunderstood gods because his worshippers are disillusioned by their bloodthirsty madness that they forget what he wants most of all. Khorne is a monster of unimaginable scale that he is no different from his siblings, but the difference is that his servants are perhaps the vocal in the lies of chaos than any other.
I do enjoy the Librarian marine who explained that there is no reason for wanton murder, but they should do it anyways, because there is no other purpose in the universe than base violence. That is the Khorne I love.
Man has never heard a nurglite follower genuinely believe Nurgle cares for them
As per Warhammer Fantasy Khorne actually doesn't like vampires, Khorne doesn't want someone who uses deceit or trickery or will stab someone in the back, or who takes pleasure in killing, he wants someone who doesn't enjoy killing but does it, someone who will kill weak and face the strong. Khorne has honour, but not honour in the western Christian interpretation, more Samurai.
@@Kevc00I’d say more more imperial Japan rather than samurai but I see where you’re going.
@@Kevc00 Warhammer Fantasy doesn't matter. And that's barely honor anyways.
After the Four Chaos gods are done, we can make such videos about BIG E himself
...maybe 😇
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@@dystopianchimp It would be worth it to explain to people the seperation of the Dark King, the continuation of Big E's Emotions (Starchild) still in the lore, and the reality of why the corpse on the throne is so indifferent unless Big E's soul is called upon to talk through it. Most people don't understand these complexities, or thinks its more complex then it really actually even is by what is confirmed in the books. (Like with Big E's presence in that weird section of the webway where time flows in reverse, rather then forward at different speeds and is extremely difficult to reach and the entire premise of the Ordos Chronos and Master of Mankind/Custodian novels.
@@Thiago-uu5wc Olá meu caro,
I mean at least you get more of a choice than with Nurgle who coerces you by infecting you with his diseases.
Disease? Your word for friend is kinda weird worshipper of the corpse emperor
Hes just really enthusiastic about you joining
Depends on what you define as choices. Most of the time once you catch the attention of a chaos god and start accepting gifts things like agency can get murky. Like sure, I could reject the nightmare entity that I accepted to save my family/lover/village/life and not let them give me more blessings…. But what if they take the other gift away? What if they turn me into a chaos spawn? Etc, etc
@@newguy8288good pont
If I had to pick a Chaos God, it would be Khorne. Not because of any foolish ideas I'll be treated better, but because I'll be so out of it I won't truly recognize the atrocities I'm partaking in.
I want to know what im doing.
@earpoizin3271 I don't.
@@earpoizin3271I mean sure, the best deity to serve is the Emperor, as grim as it may be sometimes. He is a maybe, probably not, good ending for your soul, instead of complete certain endless misery like the others.
But I hear the OP, if I have to serve a chaos god, it’s way better to not be conscious of what I’m doing.
Khorne is basically that dissociative state of animalistic rage, he is the one who motivates your actions on PCP or the like, so yeah, good god if you don’t wanna be conscious.
@@lothara.schmal5092 Considering the glimpse of the afterlife Big E promises once he claims a promised soul in death that we are shown, yee. Big E is probably the best choice.
All the chaos gods kinda suck balls to worship in 40k so im not sure. IF Vashtorr does become a chaos god I would prefer him, but otherwise I have no idea, Iguess Tzeentch because I would be allowed my autonomy solong as i'm capable or useful.
Khorne is a Chaos God, but these entities are more than just simple physical Gods; they are spiritual entities, being swirling masses of various collective emotions, ideas, thoughts, worship, anomalies, and abstract embodiments. He is a gestalt consciousness formed from various abstract ideas, thoughts, stories, and feelings. He's directly linked to all beings in the Materium, both in higher and lower dimensions, being the physical representations of a key constant in the conscious and sub-conscious minds of all conscious entities in the Materium across all space, time, possibilities, and impossibilities happening simultaneously.
In Khorne's case, he is made up of dozens of abstract ideas like: War, Combat, Focus, Weapons, Termination, Conflict, Wrath, Development, Regression, Animosity, Vengeance, Offense, Defense, Protection, Truth, Push, Pull, Doom, Past, Murder, Duty, Punishment, Pre-Modern, Domination, Then, Discipline, Blood, Rage, Hot, Virtue, Destruction, Courage, Cowardace, Hate, Slaughter, Guilt, Honour, Martial Prowess, Subjugation, Cold, Creation, Monitor, Cowardance, Imprisonment, Above, Below, Oversee, Justice, Law, Rules, Innocence, Judgement, Mercy, Would, Strength, Skill, Tyranny, Innocence, Suffering, Growth, Positive, Negative, Improvement, Survival, Survival of the Fittest, and Superior as well as many others. Although he represents many abstract ideas, thoughts, and emotions, it's more accurate to say he's the Physical Manifestation of 'Actions' and 'Journeys, the physical things we do, making how we move forward with our lives and how these things change both us and the world around us. This means that compared to other Chaos Gods, Khorne is linked more closely to how we and all conscious beings in the Materium physically affect the Materiuma and those around us through our Actions. This is why he's linked more to things like Violence, Honour, Killing, and innocence, things that are closely linked to physical action in our lives. This makes it more akin to a 'Constant' as a part of existence that always occurs and cannot be removed or is not part of any setting or narrative both within and outside the Immaterium and Materium.
But as a Chaos God, he represents the broad category of 'Actions' and 'Journeys' of concepts and abstract ideas, fall under, which are anthropomorphized into a god-like incarnate - in this instance, a large muscular beast-like demon representing violence, savagery, and fury all warriors posses, with various armors covering him, surrounded by weapons showing how we become stronger standing above on a throne of skulls to symbolize his superiority to those who failed to get strong. His form represents the good and positive, all the evil and negative, and everything in-between that the abstract concepts he's made of represent. But, he is not passive. Although an abstract force, he is a "living" being seeking to grow and spread. Which requires more sustenance. Specifically, he hungers for extreme emotions, thoughts, actions, and ideas related to him from slaughter, killing, training, and practice. But, although Khorne is fed by duty and honor, he is fed far more by rage and hatred. He wants more and more of the stuff he's made of (he's referred to as a "Thirsting God"), and as civilizations grow and new species advance, they provide new sources of sustenance for him in their combat and struggles. This has also meant that he can feed on other actions related to specific actions (e.g., the act of raping someone is seen as a form of overpowering another, so both Khorne and Slaanesh feed on the act of Rape or in great debates of philosophy as Khorne and Tzeenthc can feed off it), this means that worshipping a single Chaos God can unintentionally lead to the introduction of others.
But as a Chaos God, Khorne pushes everything that thinks either living, dead, mortal, immortal, organic, or synthetic to take more extreme actions and feelings. Sowing wars to create hatred, fear, despair, hope, pain, etc. Which he can then feed off of. Emotion in any extreme becomes dangerous. A drive for self-improvement can be accomplished by an all-encompassing desire to get stronger regardless of what extremes or hurts in the process. Khorne can feed passively on the usual balance of emotions related to 'Actions' and 'Journey'. It's not that nutritious. So he farms mortal and immortal races for specific emotions related to him. Puppeteer higher beings into acting in ways that benefit them. Driving them to extremes to feed and grow. Although acting very predatory, as his form and demeanor suggest, he also acts as a parasitic force that wants more and more and more. Serving Khorne is to allow a parasitic living idea, masquerading as a God from a realm beyond the infinite higher dimensions, to use and tweak your body and brain as they see fit. Mutation is not just external but internal. Even after the original foe is slain, Khorne grants every greater might and fury making you skin harder and tougher while making your muscles buldge and grow unnaturally.
But another problem comes, you cannot worship or serve the positive aspects of Khorne is the same reason you cannot do Heroin or Meth casually. Except this drug is alive and will do everything to drive its users utterly insane. Khorne is an entity that is not content nor properly sentient. It wants to feed and continue a feedback loop of actions until the Materium can no longer withstand the horrors unleashed. At any time, Khorne could have devoted its full power to crushing the Imperium after the Emperor died. Yet it never did. Horus did his job; he turned the entire human species into a factory farm of violence, pain, suffering, and war - emotions he feeds on. For 10,000 years, he's fed upon the Imperium and all other races, just as he had on Aeldari, Krorks, Necrons, and Kinebrach before as the infinite otherness and civilizations that came before and after humanity. It's why, despite his power, knowledge, and influence, he and the other Chaos Gods rarely interfere with the Materium despite their capability, as, in truth, there's no need for them to do so.
Well made comment. I read the whole thing
@@clydecraft5642 Thanks
Finally someone who get it.
You did it better then I could.
yeah it makes sense, khorne is like a (red) stew of concepts, some very important and mayor sources of his power, like melee, duel, Tyranny, Suffering, Development but others barely synergize for example honor is implied to have been his mayor source of strengh when he was still a mortal, who knows how long ago, but now he is bound by it, so he keeps trying to twist it, pushing his view of honor (the one that benefits him) as the right one, but Khorne is honestly the weirdest and posibly the weakest one of the bunch, for example as you mentioned he can feed of rape, but only as long as its purely to humilliate one, and no one enjoys it, and neither person find each other atractive... etc, otherwise it goes to Slaanesh, Khorne concepts synergize less and are more easily "disturbed" at least in theory all you have to do to kill a Khornate demon is beat him in single combat and add his skull to your skull seat, of course its easier said than done, but to kill a Tzeentch demon you have to win a 7d multiverse time travel ultra game or some nonsense like that, it always bothers me how he insists to castrate his followers and kills those who felt lust or dont enjoy battle hard enough, my theory is that he has a no-betrayal/loyalty /exclusive concept and an strongest/exponential-growth concept so when one of his followers has a lewd thought he loses power, then he loses more power due to breaching exclusivity, then he loses power since he is weaker, his exponential is smaller so he keeps getting weaker... so he is obligated to send a raid force to stop his exponential weakening.
On the other end, if Khorne wins, the universe and every star is drenched in blood, everyone is fighting everyone, Khorne is at the strongest he can ever be... and then everyone begins to slowly die off due to lack of resouces, Khorne doesnt farm, he raids after all, eventually everyone dies and Khorne turns to nothing, maybe he goes to embody primal, celular sized violence?, he is not self sustaining.
Unlike Nurgle who can keep everying in a dying state, rotting for eternity, Slaanesh who would continue its orgy forever, and tzeentch who needs like 3 demons on a barren rock ploting agaisnt each other to remain alive.
Khorne could maybe stay alive if he is in a duel with someone as strong as him for eternity? but then his concept of strongest and tiranny and all the others based on dominating wont work, besides if he is the last one who would he duel with?
i think he is trying desperately to find a combination that both works and lets him live after, at the begining of the timeline, 30k and old books, he has a strong sense of honour even punishing those who kill inocents, at some point he stopped doing that, probably because it didnt make him strong enough, which shows weakness, the others barely changed in forever
@@gameplaysuffering1620 He also thrives off not just conflict but development and growth too. The galaxy is just balls to the wall crazy atm. Another commenter said it themselves. As long as something seeks to thrive etc. He doesn't want everything to die, he requires sentience.
So like, working out, building, using tools, development into something better. Honouring tradition. Using instincts. As long as something sentient seeks to get stronger or improve itself on it's own merits, increase it's physical prowess, he'll live. Like he unironically would be alive if he followed around a common housecat that made an impressive jump and climbed up a wall using it's physical prowess or just prowling around looking for stuff he'd be okay. He's a many tiered conceptual god. Focus, truth, honour, he thrives off those too.
A liar says “I am not a liar”.
Which makes it double-ironic that Tzeench, the God of Lies, outright tells you to your face he's gonna lie to you.
That leaves Slaanesh and Tzeench, which one are you gonna cover next?
tzeench please
The Numb and the Ignorant.
prolly slaanesh cuz I feel like Tzeetnch is the hardest of the chaos gods to understand
@@nexusthenormie5578 With Slaanesh people think its clever to repeat the cliche line he is not about sex myaan and get upset at the "seductive" image but Slaanesh is raw selfish lust. Hence the opposite of Khorne as Khorne is hatred and the desire to eradicate while Slaanesh is lust or even "love" and the desire to experience everything and excess self love. The lust can be lust for food or fighting too though but Slaanesh is about seduction into giving into only desire hence the "seductive" look
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4:19
Unironically yes. We are talking about a chaos god whom feeds on souls, torment, and rage. But, unlike with the other gods, you can reasonably expect your warband leader to be either somewhat competant, or a monster on the battlefield. If he isent, one can challenge him openly and take his spot.
With the other three, the man at the top of the warband isent always the best to fill the role, its mearly who was best at stabbing another person in the back, or seizung an oppurtunity.
Honor for 40k has nothing to do with moral righteousness, saving the weak, etc. its more about facing your obstacle head on, and without relying on a crutch to see you overcome it.
Trying to use a contemporary definition to honor and trying to apply that to 40k will simply leave you with the fact that absolutly no one is honorable
Edit: 6:18 Khornes distaste for magic and sorcery comes from much what i mentioned above. In a universe where one psyker can wipe away an entire field if not an entire world, or mutate entire battalions of guard into chaos spawn, or if we go into the other gods, causing everyone within a mile radius to become diseases or become enamored by their greatest dreams, Khorne roids really dont fit the bill in comparison.
While his gifts are definitly warp based, they only emhanced the warriors ability to fight, and never multiply it to apocolyptic scales. You wont see Kharn waving his hand and destroying an entire army in the same way Ahrinan or Typhus would.
Yeah it ain’t “honorable” to obliterate a guys mind on the other side of the planet.
What about the Murder-Curse? How is turning whole worlds into hellpits of raving, murderous madmen through warp-brainwashing any different?
Your argument about Khorne being honourable is nonsensical.
"Killing innocent civilians is honourable because the guy doing it is good at it." Is the essence of your argument, which is absolutely idiotic. Competence =/= honour, I don't know where you got that from.
And no, you can't just change the definition of honour just because "It's warhammer things are different here!" That's both idiotic and not how morallity works.
"Trying to use a contemporary definition to honor and trying to apply that to 40k will simply leave you with the fact that absolutly no one is honorable" Even if that were true, that doesn't matter. Being honourable is to live up to a standard of how your treat your friends and foes that grants them dignity and respect, if nobody does that, then nobody is honourable. Just because everyone is shitty doesn't suddently make the definition of honour change.
@@loldiamond1017 just invite the civilians to an honest duel, easy
@loldiamond1017 then we fundementally change factions, such as the imperial knights who very much are all about Honor, but not in the contemporary manner.
Honor does not have the same rules in 40k as it did in the medieval era of reality, because the rules of what is allowed has drastically changed. This would also be why they dont consider the purges astartes tend to bring to corrupted or xenophilic worlds as "dishonorable" either.
If you unironically believe that morality doesent drastically change between 40k and reality, you havent delved enough into the universe. This is even a point Angron makes to Guilliman during the Shadow Crusade.
This is such a good series. Please keep it going
The fact that you give into KHorne proves that you as a warrior are not enough. Thus you give yourself over to a twisted rage god that will be your new master.
"Faithful... enlightened... ambitious... brethren.
In but a single decade, a few mere swipes of the pendulum, we have gathered a sacrifice to Khorne that will be made legend.
Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that illuminated me during my centuries upon the Judgement of Carrion...
...it was Khorne's messenger who showed me the true path of freedom from our pathetic corpse-Emperor.
And what is this path? This meaning, this purpose to which we gather the skulls of our foes?
It is nothing. There is no meaning, no purpose. We murder. We kill. It is mindless savagery, this UNIVERSE IS MINDLESS!
In mere hours, billions will die. Innocent! Guilty! Strong and weak! Honest and deceitful! ALL of them!
They will scream, they will burn, and for no purpose but that mighty Khorne may revel in their bloodshed!
And united in this void of purpose, fear, or duty... we shall at long last be free!
Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! LET! THE GALAXY! BURN!"
- Azariah Kyras, Dawn Of War II Retribution
”Khorne dosent strike whitout purpose”, thats just completly wrong, khorne fights for sake of fighting, wages war for sake of waging war and battles for sake of battling, he will do it fairly, but does it whitout a cause. Even tho his followers have causes that lead them to fight, its the willingness to fight that gains khornes attention and favor, but your cause is meaningless to him.
Yeah, that's the best way to summarise him: Khorne is a god of rage, of bloodlust and violence. he/it favours honesty and straight-fowardness, yes, but that's about it when it comes to his positive aspects.
Oh he does it fairly huh? You haven’t read any of the books with khorne, even the Angron books recently, huh? There is not a single fair thing in the wars he waged.
@@Chang-u6e Khorne follows personal code of honor, that does not necessarerly extend to his followers, as the act violence and collecting skulls of worthy warriors takes precidence.
Yes the purpose is violence, it’s just unlike us Khorne sees violence as innately purposefu.
Bro that's the point, see the entire video before commenting
All the gods are liars.
Slaanesh, for example, isn't the god of pleasure and emotion, they're the god of dissatisfaction, unhappiness and depression. They push their followers into greater extremes, and when they reach them, whatever satisfaction they feel is short-lived. Soon enough, whatever gave them pleasure before, leaves them feeling nothing, and it's that nothing that drives them to greater extremes.
Khorne is so honorable that his greatest champion's moniker is "Betrayer"
There is a story in Age of Sigmar where the forces of Khorne were beseiging a city of wizards and were losing pretty badly. Khorne got so pissed that he summoned a giant fist and smashed the city from the sky. All that bullshit about honor and hating magic goes out of the window once Khorne gets pissed
All eight points points have their truths and their lies. Only a strong mind can join the game and push where they pull, gain the strength where they give us weakness.
Over here, Inquisitor!
Yeah yeah we get it Lorgar you think you can game the system, get in line with everybody else with an IOU to every god.
Said the cultist, before transforming into a mindless bloodletter
That's assuming morals of empathy and compassion even exist in 40k to begin with.
Those are emotions, not morals
They definitely do. Plenty of heroic characters and self-sacrifice for others and kind deeds exist in the 40k setting if you read the books and whatnot. Even the Emperor has suffered a fate worse than death for 10,000 years for the sake of humanity. Sitting on the Golden Throne is like being in Hell. And there are entire pleasure planets and farming planets that are idyllic and peaceful in the Imperium. It's mainly just the limited perspective we get of the Imperium through the warriors of the various races that make it seem like absolutely everything in 40K is horrible.
They do, I think all emotions not just chaotic ones find power with enough belief, just that there is not a lot to go around in the grim dankness where there is only war
If morality is objective then Khorne is evil. If morality is subjective then I choose to embrace the morality which feels most natural to me, which means Khorne is evil.
Evil and honor are not mutually exclusive.
@@thenormiegamer7045The depends entirely on your perception of honor.
@@thenormiegamer7045 True, but in this case its a completely moot point. Name the last time Khorne did something honorable.
@ Exactly . Whose perception of honor is the “right” one though, and why?
@ Geoffroi de Charny's perception of honor is the one true code of honor that all humans agree on, obviously. He would never have been allowed to bear the Oriflamme otherwise.
Like Angron of Nuceria, Khorne chains you as his slave. Your freedom of sanity robed for enslavement of maddness.
'Sanity is for the weak!'
Says the good slave.
No entity born of the Warp could be considered truly divine. They are parasites, predators, and beings that only know hunger. They will do anything and everything to make humanity their next meal, and they don't even work with one another, as much as tolerate one another temporarily to ensure that their feasting never ends. Deaden sensation, and Slaanesh dies. Deaden emotion, and Khorne dies. Deaden flesh, and Nurgle dies. Deaden selfish ambition, and Tzeentch dies. What, then, is left in the absence of those things? Instead of sensation, you have contemplation. Instead of emotional impulses, you have self-control. Instead of flesh, you have spirit. Instead of selfish ambition, you have kindness and compassion. Chaos is parasitic, and it is the worst of humanity.
In particular, Khorne is a hypocrite. He does not care about honor anymore than Tzeentch does, he just knows that if he plays off of man's desire for honor and glory, that the most rage-filled and mighty warriors will flock to his banner when they aren't satisfied. In fact, it could be argued that Khorne is worse than Tzeentch in regards to his hypocrisy, because at least with Tzeentch, contradiction and endless change are advertised openly. With Khorne, however, he will do everything to make himself seem honorable and trustworthy only to betray you in every principle for his own benefit. Rage does not bequeath honor, only senseless destruction.
One time, Kharn had such a wonderful time in battle. He faved and slew many champions of the Imperium, each stronger than the last. He wondered why, what was this leading up to? He finished off the mighty Celestine and shortly after, he was surrounded by the Black Legion.
The Despoiler had come for him, he sought to use him in his war, to be his subordinate, to shackle him. Claiming to be the Chosen of the gods; Khorne included. Ha, he knew he was Khorne's favored, he would not be shackled, he would not serve the pantheon, he served Khorne and only him, and what Khorne wanted was for him to claim the skull of this most worthy of foes at last! So he fought Abaddon, to all there, they were evenly matched, it was glorious, dare I say, he was happy.
But then, they came, eight Bloodthirsters of Khorne, heralds of the Blood god, come to stop the match, to stop Kharn from doing the one thing he was supposed to do. The Blood god, stopping a match, and ordering his own champion to become a lapdog of the warmaster. If he somehow didn't know before, he better know it now, Khorne does NOT Respect You.
1:30 Through victtory our chains are broken
Dorn is a being of controlled rage, think about how quickly he snaps in the Horus Heresy books. He holds on to his rage until he has a controlled way to release the rage, for either a benefit or at least not a way that would destroy what he is trying to accomplish. Khorne does not see the purpose of that control and was trying to erode that control.
Dorn is controlled rage, Khrone needed to erode that.
Sanguinius is that acceptance of a needed sacrifice if needed. Nurgle was offering a path away from that sacrifice.
The Emperor of Mankind while he was interested in excesses, he choose to remain human. Slanesh was offering rest to a tired soul or to be the Dark King.
Constantin Valdor is the pursuit of needed knowledge and staying true to his purpose. Where Tzeentch wanted the knowledge to change Valdor.
This is the reason why Horus wanted to make these 4 into followers of Chaos, because the four wanted to these souls.
I think regardless of what virtues the gods claim to embody at the end of the day their bottom line is enslaving people to feed the emotions associated with their creation
the Gods never claim to embody them, only those in their cults who want more people to join said cults claim they have those things, much like Nikea where its openly shown to be these nice things but then when you're inside the cult itself you realize its all a mask and the truth of the Gods.
There is no greater manipulator, than the one you can't even tell they manipulated you.
Well played, Khorne.
I've seen Khorne's name when I've played Vermintide 2 so I wanted to know more about him and this video was super informative and cool!
Just remember Warhammer Fantasy Khorne, and 40k Khorne are similar but entirely different beings.
This is the Khorne of 40k, I’m afraid.
Fantasy Khorne is someone different.
Khorne wants bloodshed and he’s not picky about where and how outside of making sure the enemy sees you coming.
This video right here explained Khorne more effiently than I can in one hour, thank you it was absolutely immaculate.
Thanks mate
Nice video, nicely edited.
As a khorne fan, i just have some things to say :
Khorne is at his very core the intense rage and will to hurt and destroy other.
The rest is as you said
But the idea that chaos gods have positive attributes is mode of a fantasy tidbit that was abandoned in other settings.
You also talk of Khorne as if he is a single, cohesive entity. Personnaly, i don't think the chaos gods are. They are worshipped under many names and forms, (especially in 40k) so much so that i think they are a shifting blob of emotions and concepts, who barely manages to form a cohesive mind, more than the contrary.
You'd be wrong then. The Chaos Gods are their aggregate nature, for they always have been and always will be. There is no shifting, no change, only what they are. This is why Tzeentch can never NOT plot, despite THAT being true change. It's why Slaanesh must always seek new experiences, Nurgle can never discard what does not work, Khorne cannot cultivate or build only destroy.
The Chaos Gods are a single emotion. Khorne is destruction, not rage. He does not grant rage as a boon, he grants it as a curse(see: Skarbrand).
You're describing a Gestalt. I think you're right
Good points except one thing, the manifestations or sentience of the individual entites themselves are a singular cohesive entity, the Name behind it, however the domain/raw spectrum of their domaine can have different depictions by mortals that are true. The example we're directly shown is Slaanesh's birth, where her concepts of excess, indulgence, etc etc all existed throughout all of time, however the individual Slaanesh who is a fully manifested individual who does not bend in that way was given shape and born way after.
Concepts like indulgence and excess have existed throughout time, but Slaanesh as an individual didn't until given shape and born with a will, all the names reflect that Slaanesh the individual is a singular concept, The Quasar (Used in context of "A Question of can I do this, answered as yes", Excess, the corruptor, etc etc. All defining they are an individual who represents moral depravity and creativity that can always grow or become worse, these are all just names people give the idea of Slaanesh to try and represent the defined concept in their minds.
The Chaos Gods represent positive attributes like personal strength and the drive for self-improvement (Khorne), life and stoicism (Nurgle), self-expression and experimentation (Slaanesh) or hope and the thirst for knowledge (Tzeench). It's just that, being Chaos Gods, they take those positives to their absolutely illogical conclusions until they become just as toxic and destructive as their negative attributes.
Yea it seems they are forces of nature personified (because Warhammer lore) rather than gods with personages in the 'Olympian' sense. In many ways their worshippers shape them more than the other way around.
Y'know, the more I hear about these Chaos fellas. The more I start to think they're not so swell as they claim.
Khorne is honest in the way that he'll make sure you know if you displeased him. Tzeentch may dangle the idea of a succesfull ploy in front of you and string you along with potential victory, only to screw you over in the pivotal moment. Khorne will just smite you, or sic one of his other champions upon you to punish you. He's pretty straightforward: spill blood in his name and you will be rewarded. Fail in this, show weakness or displease him, and you skull will be added to his throne.
As for the usage of magic weapons, personally I think it goes rather along the way of him being okay with magic weapons as a flaming sword that can cut daemons still requires the martial skill of its wielder. Sorcery by comparison trivializes martial combat into a magic show and the skill of the respective warrior becomes meaningless. A magical weapon may also level the playing field just as much as it distorts it. Sure, a warhammer that crashes down with the explosive might of a meteor with every swing is totally unfair against ordinary mortal soldiers. It does however enable a warrior to fight evenly against mightier foes, like the daemons of the other gods.
And as for the usage of trickery: Khorne is a war god, and as the old saying goes: in love and war, everything's fair. Feints, counter-attacks, ambushes and other strategies that do not involve storming into a firing line face-first are valid, so long as blood is spilled. Most of his followers are just too deranged to think of something like this. A good example of a functional cult army of Khorne is the Blood Pact, which employs strategies and tactics to rival the Imperial Guard and even makes use of xenos mercenaries.
Khorne appreciates warriors. But 'warrior' is a broad term. There's the honorable knight who defends the weak, the noble savage who hunts mighty beasts and the deranged lunatic who hacks away at everything with a pulse. He demands that you seek out worthy challenges to test your skill and he will punish you if you rather start taking pot-shots at children or the elderly. Find an enemy soldier and bite his head off. Once all the enemy soldiers are dead, THEN you can go ahead and kill the civilians, as after all: all blood pleases Khorne. But do not shirk from a warriors challenge for sadistic pleasure, that's the way of Slaanesh.
In that way he embraces both the Norscan barbarian who seeks out beasts to hunt for glory and mighty songs, and the World Eater Berzerker who hacks apart his own brothers in arms in a mad frenzy. Khorne is the god of war, and in war you will find both the honorable fighter and the savage maniac.
Khorne is simple in his tastes and demands, but those can manifest themselves in a myriad of different ways. Naturally all of those still ultimately will end in endless slavery to a daemon god that will just as happily bless you as he will discard you life and claim your skull.
If this is the year of Chaos, GW should do a "blood for the blood god" blood donation drive by fans on 8/8.
Given how Khorne turned Angron into a practically mindless brute who is not aware of his own servitude, when Angron has always been about hating tyrants, I’d say Khorne has no problem lying to secure the service of his followers.
It's almost like the chaos gods are all hypocrites and by their own nature contradictory.
The god of change commands a legion of stagnant dust zombies and the god of stagnation commands the death Guard who celebrated the mutation of their bodies as holy gifts.
Waiting for : Tzeentch doesn't have a plan🗣💥💥💥💥💥
Isn't Tzeech called "Changer of Ways" ? Do you think someone like that can stick to a plan?
The plan is to have a plan and it's all going according to plan!
Next one:"Tzeentch is stupid."
1:52 gotta admit specially at this time of the year thats a compelling argument
warhammer gods as manifestation of destructive coping mechanism for reality of life
Khorne is god of performative grindset and grift, effort and agression without valid reason
Nurgle is god of toxic positivity , refusal for change of destructive habbits and love bombing cults
Slanesh is god of addiction hedonism and short term gratification
Tzeench is god of theory crafting, daydreaming , sacrificing everything for ambition
Big E is god of losing yourself for collective or idea, "necessary evil" and "white lies"
Another banger. Love the analysis of the Gods in these series
Khorne:
"I don't want you zapping my enemies with sorcery lightning from your hands, take this magical daemon sword, don't worry about that though it's ok to slay with it"
He's actually the greatest liar - for what is freedom and strength, if dependent on the whim of a god?
Tzeentch is the most honest Chaos God.
"I'm a manipulative, scheming, faithless, abusive jerk who will make your every action serve me. I will betray any of my followers whenever I wish and am a master of deceit. Everything I offer you is utterly unnatural and I don't pretend for a second any of you are more than pawns I will consume at will. Want in?"
"Why would we join then?"
"Have you seen the Imperium? It's all that, but self-righteous about it and doesn't offer you powers."
I mean he doesn't care about you, but compared to the other gods (including the emperor) he doesn't pretend to care about you either. Are u useful to him? He will reward you. Reap skulls, get paid in EXP, simple as.
But that's *never* the sales pitch, now is it? At the start, Khorne worshipers want the strength he grants for *something;* Maybe they want revenge, or they want to overthrow their oppressors, or they want to survive in a hostile universe, or they want glory, etc, but that strength is a means to an end. But with time all that is eroded and buried under the growing mindless rage and bloodlust until the only end that power is being put into is destruction for destruction's sake which, not coincidentally, benefits no one other than Khorne himself.
"A god of war, strife and carnage doesn't respect you...he respects your actions, not the solider who does so in his name etched in blood with a pile of head hunts that scale sky high...but in the darkness of the 41st millennium, he's a monster...the truest form of a daemon...but in essence he might be the "kindier" of the four...isn't it ironic? If you had to choose between unending torment by the servants of Slaanesh, the unmaking pours and boils of Nurgle, or the visions of grandeur and insanity of Tzeentch....would you not cave and slaughter and slay all therein...? For the broken man...or the oppressed man, anger is his shield...and hatred his howling axe."
Great video. Love your writing man. Keep it up
More on the way! Thanks for watching
People really need to stop
confusing Khorne with Gork and Mork. The only honest deities in the Galaxy, besides maybe the Hive Mind.
Then you got the Necrons. Who had dishonest deities, and they made them honest.
Wow. This band is cooler than I thought
I hope in the 5th video (or the final one, if he includes all the other gods) he talks about the hypocricies of the imperial cult. Would be a nice way of showing that while yes, the imperium is better than chaos, it is still a hellish system of government.
Please make an Emperor doesn't..... video.
"rise from under tyrants by living for me, a tyrant"
I think I've read once that Khorne doesn't hate magic users because they use magic, but rather because "they steal the power of the Gods and cravenly call it their own". So it's more of a "Khorne wants you to fight by your own means, rather than by relying on borrowed power". But other than that as my one nitpick, I really enjoyed this video. Great analysis, like the Nurgle one. Hope we get to see Tzeentch and Slaanesh in the future as well.
Yup, its why he's fine with Incantations, but not Sorcery, Sorcery isn't your own power, you're not strong you're just borrowing someone elses rather then growing strong yourself and thus makes you undeserving, especially if you haven't earned it.
@@Chang-u6e He is, of course, lying, because his gifts can grant the powers that a psyker could invoke with the power of their mind. He's only fine with using the power of the Warp that he grants rather than the power a psyker takes.
And taking into account how difficult, dangerous and often painful it is to properly harness and develop psychic might, it's rather rich saying they haven't earned it.
@@CteCrassusKhorne just throws a hissy fit when somebody does on their own something that his worshippers need to suck his dick for fifty years for him to do.
And if he is mad that some lvl100 BloodyMCManskinner the Terrible can die to a random magic projectile from some skinny sorcerer, then I am not sure why he is not mad about for example guns or tanks which can achieve the same results.
You are incredibly good at these dissections and different points of views. I would love a short story where one of the other Chaos gods pointed this out to him like "I know exactly what I am. But you? You love pretending don't you?"
Left my family to watch another banger 🗣️
Funeral, job, family... I think you are going to run out of things to leave in a couple uploads time
This is why I worship The Great Horned Rat. Nothing simpler than "be a jerk".
Khorne Fans would be very mad with you right now, if they could read.
Although they are still mad, like always. Not just at you, more like at everything.
Hehehehe
“SKARBRAND LOATHES THIS TITLE! BUT SKARBRAND CAN READ IT BECAUSE HE HATES READING SLIGHTLY LESS!”
Khorne IS the god of honor, just like Slaanesh is the god of perfection: Both are manifestations of a noble concept, perverted by humanity's own flaws projected in the warp. Honor in war becomes desire for bloodshed, perfectionism becomes obsession. And there's no more "honorable" bloodshed for him than slaughtering your enemies with your own hands, that's why he also hates sorcerers so much.
Yeah you tell him lmao
Trying to make sense of chaos never works
I like these videos will you do this with all of the Chaos Gods?
Things very well may be in the works 🤫 Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
@dystopianchimp your welcome I'm new to Warhammer 40k and so far I'm interested in chaos.
@@nothing-of5yc 40k chaos is interesting, my suggestion is to ignore anything the fandom says and just read the actual books, and honestly listening to specific Loretubers can also be fine at time. 99% of the fandom regurgitate some youtube short/tiktok nonsense that leaves out either 99% of the context or is straight up inaccurate headcanon, so there's no value in reading commentary on discord or in forum threads when it comes to anything 40k lore, unless you just want to make fun of people who never actually read the novels but feel the need to comment something inaccurate. (The misinfo-chimps have been a severe problem for several years now, you will hear this bitched about for a long time now from basically everyone. The problem comes from the costs/numbers of books making it inaccessible to the average audience to read every single one vs the heavy growing interest in 40k every year by mainstream audiences)
@Chang-u6e good to know
War is deception, you feint, you trick your oponent and deliver your strike at your strongest and where they are weakest.
You mean chaos is bad? HOLY SHIT SOMEONE CALL THE MEDIA!!!
Things have changed from the old time. 80s/90s Khorne was as described by GW has taken it a different path
These are all lies told by the followers of the corpse god!
Over here, Inquisitor!
_From behind the veil, Angron hears laughter. A god, laughing at him, because it cares not from whence the blood flows. The death of the Lord of the Red Sands is as pleasing to this divinity as the death of any other champion._
_-Echoes of Eternity_
He’s so real for that one. There is only one good god in 40k and that is The Emperor 🙏
He's also terrible
The Emperor is every bit as bad as the rest of them. To give yourself to The Emperor is to indulge in a delusion no less horrifying than any the Chaos Gods try to promote. His followers claim that he is the embodiment of selfless action, moral uprightness, and hope, but it's all a lie. With The Emperor, your life is not your own. You are pressed under the boot of an uncaring tyrant who takes everything from you, grinding down your pride and self-respect until you're nothing but an emotionless tool, ready to unquestioningly obey orders without hesitation or restraint.
His supporters will claim he gives men the strength to keep going when things seem darkest, and the will to remain virtuous in the midst of a fallen, sinful world, where beings like the Chaos Gods run rampant and unchecked and horrors like the Tyranids threaten to consume all of creation. But he does not. He does not give you the strength to keep going, he simply encourages you to deny reality in a wave of self-righteous delusion. He does not give you the will to remain virtuous, he emotionally castrates you. The Emperor and his servants have exterminated entire worlds and exploit countless others in the most insidiously cruel ways, yet they claim it is all for a greater good and a righteous cause. They promote humanity as manifestation of divinity itself, yet treat human life as disposable and replaceable.
The Emperor does not give you a higher purpose and a reason to live, he simply takes away your ability to think independently, molding you into something less than even a slave. His vision for Humanity is that of cattle, cattle who quietly and obediently head straight to the slaughterhouse so that their flesh and bones might be of use to their overlords. He does not love you, he does not care about you, he only cares about controlling you and exploiting you for everything you have.
@ heretic 🤮
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The Emperor is no god, like He Himself told us.
This is like an instruction video that would be shown to middle ranking inquisitors
The God of Corn 🌽
COBBS FOR THE COBB THRONE
“Oh my god it’s Khorne.”
“YATAUHNRATAINTARANAINAH!”
This and the Nurgle vid could be considered mental health videos. Well done.
no gods, only parasites
When running black crusade my iron warrior commented to world eater
"So how many battles has he actually thought in?"
Yea he does.
Nuh uh
No he doesn't heretic, now go cry over your skull collection weirdo
first post WORST post
I've always regarded Khorne's so-called honour as being the morality of a schoolyard bully. He knows he's likely to win in a straight-up fight but that he's lacking in just about everything else apart from a degree of low cunning, so he decries as dishonourable any means by which his victims might fight back that aren't playing to his strengths. There's no more honour in it than a despotic ruler demanding every dispute be run through the courts (where, naturally, the ruler controls the outcome).
Some of the very early material did have "only fight worthy opponents" as part of his creed, but that was Flanderised out pretty quickly, and even that raises the issue of "when you've killed all the combatants and moved on, what's going to happen to the noncombatants you left behind in a world with plenty of other threats?". Ironically, that's now become something that orcs are more associated with, although goblins are usually quite happy to get their jollies out of tormenting the helpless.
Azariah Kyras' speech at the end of Retribution was, I guess, pretty accurate with what Khorne actually cares about and in line with this video