I got one after my buddy let me try his. I was skeptical at first, but he put his on mine & I gave it a try … ordered one the next day!! I was SHOCKED by the difference!! Give it a try!!
For all the skepticism in the comments I bought one at ITG from Tony. I was skeptical as well. I think Tony shot himself in the foot for making these because I came in to buy an expensive trumpet from him and left fixing the tuning on my vintage Conn 2 B and Holton revelation . My vintage horns have such a beautiful tone quality but the tuning on some of the notes ruined the experience. I don’t the science behind this but it works! Now I’m kicking myself in the butt for selling my pre war French besson because of the tuning! I hope everyone buys one that has vintage instruments because the man deserves to make his millions off this invention. No one paid me for this comment lol. Thanks Tony!
Natural tuning has everything to do with the length of the tube. I’m very skeptical and am not willing to waste $100 to try something out that has no good explanation.
No, it doesn’t work like that ;) If it was like you say then different mouthpieces wouldn’t create a different harmonic spread or a brace in a different place wouldn’t change the intonation of the whole instrument. It’s a VERY complex system and all a trumpet maker does is playing with many parameters with address all possible problems. The First Aid is one of these tools: in the right hands, with the right attitude and with patience it does wonders. Or at least it does with some of the best players in the world ;)
@@arresonancethanks for your answer. I agree that sound quality can be affected by the metal material, bracing, weight all of which work on damping or the vibrational feel of the instrument. However relative intonation cannot be changed without also changing the length of the horn. That’s why we have slides all over the place. I would be more convinced if a blinded player or even a robot would produce the sound with a tuning meter that measured before and after😊. IMO trumpet players, (often the best ones) are always looking to get an edge and if they can perceive or feel a 2% improvement they will at least try a new idea until they get tired of it. Oftentimes it’s a perceived improvement that cannot be measured.
In the interest of true skepticism, I wonder if there is a video of a blind test on this. If not, maybe you'd like to do one? I don't have any reason to believe that you're intentionally fooling any of us, but can you be sure you're not subconsciously changing your playing, based on your knowing if the object is in contact or not? If this device works, we can expect it to be built into every trumpet within a few years!
It can’t be built (soldered) onto the instrument as the position needs to be slightly changed depending on the other parameters, including the mouthpiece, its gap and the player’s needs.
Come to my place, bring as many friends as you desire, let’s make one special blind test just for you. :) Showing you a video of this thing blind tested by other people other than yourself is as trustable as my own word, which clearly doesn’t deserve enough trust. ;)
I think that the lenght of tubes, shape of the curves and the materials can affetct the intonation and sound. I saw this kind of "instant fixing tools" during the years and I can say that some of them can work in some trumpets and some of them in other. Example: I tried the Denis Wick ring and it works fine in a old Bach stradivarious but it doesn't seem so "magic" in a my modern Yam Xeno. I never tried this AR tool but I tried a similar tool and I noticed that when I change mouthpiece I have to change the position of the tool beacuse I'm changing the gap and the resonance of the trumpet and the air pressure. Anyway I always recommend to try this tools and give feedback to the factory that make them. In this way we can help manufacturers to make better intruments everyday!
You might be right in that the gap can affect intonation as well, so you might need to slightly change the location of the First Aid if changing mouthpieces...
Which one works best for the Concert G right above the staff? My A note on my Bb sounds high in pitch. Which material would be best on my horn for that?
Yes. But also no. It's shaped and machined so that it fits perfectly to the instrument, and it looks good too. I mean, I guess you could try and fabricate something like this on your own if you have the skills, but I think once you do, you'll realize the expense involved.
I got one after my buddy let me try his. I was skeptical at first, but he put his on mine & I gave it a try … ordered one the next day!! I was SHOCKED by the difference!! Give it a try!!
Yup - same thing here. When Tony first told me about it, I was skeptical, but it does indeed work.
For all the skepticism in the comments I bought one at ITG from Tony. I was skeptical as well. I think Tony shot himself in the foot for making these because I came in to buy an expensive trumpet from him and left fixing the tuning on my vintage Conn 2 B and Holton revelation . My vintage horns have such a beautiful tone quality but the tuning on some of the notes ruined the experience. I don’t the science behind this but it works! Now I’m kicking myself in the butt for selling my pre war French besson because of the tuning! I hope everyone buys one that has vintage instruments because the man deserves to make his millions off this invention. No one paid me for this comment lol. Thanks Tony!
Thanks so much!
Natural tuning has everything to do with the length of the tube. I’m very skeptical and am not willing to waste $100 to try something out that has no good explanation.
No, it doesn’t work like that ;)
If it was like you say then different mouthpieces wouldn’t create a different harmonic spread or a brace in a different place wouldn’t change the intonation of the whole instrument.
It’s a VERY complex system and all a trumpet maker does is playing with many parameters with address all possible problems.
The First Aid is one of these tools: in the right hands, with the right attitude and with patience it does wonders.
Or at least it does with some of the best players in the world ;)
@@arresonancethanks for your answer. I agree that sound quality can be affected by the metal material, bracing, weight all of which work on damping or the vibrational feel of the instrument. However relative intonation cannot be changed without also changing the length of the horn. That’s why we have slides all over the place. I would be more convinced if a blinded player or even a robot would produce the sound with a tuning meter that measured before and after😊.
IMO trumpet players, (often the best ones) are always looking to get an edge and if they can perceive or feel a 2% improvement they will at least try a new idea until they get tired of it. Oftentimes it’s a perceived improvement that cannot be measured.
I think you are negating a few centuries of studies in physics but I won’t try to change your mind. :)
In the interest of true skepticism, I wonder if there is a video of a blind test on this. If not, maybe you'd like to do one? I don't have any reason to believe that you're intentionally fooling any of us, but can you be sure you're not subconsciously changing your playing, based on your knowing if the object is in contact or not?
If this device works, we can expect it to be built into every trumpet within a few years!
It can’t be built (soldered) onto the instrument as the position needs to be slightly changed depending on the other parameters, including the mouthpiece, its gap and the player’s needs.
@@arresonance That makes sense, but what about a blind test?
@@bodyofmystery You are welcome!
I made probably over a hundred of blind tests at the ITG two weeks ago, they all went exactly as we expected :)
@@arresonance I'd love to see the documentation of that!
Come to my place, bring as many friends as you desire, let’s make one special blind test just for you. :)
Showing you a video of this thing blind tested by other people other than yourself is as trustable as my own word, which clearly doesn’t deserve enough trust. ;)
I think that the lenght of tubes, shape of the curves and the materials can affetct the intonation and sound. I saw this kind of "instant fixing tools" during the years and I can say that some of them can work in some trumpets and some of them in other. Example: I tried the Denis Wick ring and it works fine in a old Bach stradivarious but it doesn't seem so "magic" in a my modern Yam Xeno. I never tried this AR tool but I tried a similar tool and I noticed that when I change mouthpiece I have to change the position of the tool beacuse I'm changing the gap and the resonance of the trumpet and the air pressure.
Anyway I always recommend to try this tools and give feedback to the factory that make them. In this way we can help manufacturers to make better intruments everyday!
You might be right in that the gap can affect intonation as well, so you might need to slightly change the location of the First Aid if changing mouthpieces...
Which one works best for the Concert G right above the staff? My A note on my Bb sounds high in pitch. Which material would be best on my horn for that?
Any material works - it's the design of the weight that is making the difference.
110 dollar for a weight?!
Yes. But also no. It's shaped and machined so that it fits perfectly to the instrument, and it looks good too. I mean, I guess you could try and fabricate something like this on your own if you have the skills, but I think once you do, you'll realize the expense involved.
Hello there, Has anyone tried this weight on the 3rd sllde with positive results?
Not to my knowledge. It's designed to go exactly where I've shown...
Like rocks on your cannonball trumpet
This is doing something entirely different...
Fascinating. Really doesn’t make a lot of sense why it works😂