I read comments about Trench and Thrawn in a fleet showdown but holy shit, Thrawn vs Trench in chess could be one of the most interesting chess games ever
The game starts with both moving their 3rd from the left pawn forward one space, after a commercial break the board is on fire, after a "technical difficulties" break the board is no longer on fire but somehow the two of them have built a board state in which they can no longer move pieces.
Love Trench but if there is one problem I disliked about The Clone Wars is how mostly all their villains were pure evil. Really could have explored The Separatist side of the conflict more.
Sqocks I think he’s mostly referring to the fact that we don’t see it enough, and at the same time the seps just like to be evil for the sake of being evil. Also I don’t think the show adapted dooku well at all.
there is Mar Tuuk, the Nemoidian Captain of the ryloth blockade. hes probably the closest the clone wars gets to depicting a Seperatist commander as "Noble"
Trench is a tactical genius spider that took a few missiles to the face and lived! I am sorry. If that isn't scary. Then, just imagine if Trench of a Darth Lord?
Thrawn would make Trench his bitch lmao *Edit: This is a joke btw, both are good characters [Thrawn is my bet though] didn't think I needed to put a disclaimer but this is the internet and I forgot people can't handle a joke*
@@vos7619 maybe instad of arguing we will just accept that some People think Trench was better, and some that Thrawn is Both are amazingly competent and There is no need to argue over two fictional admirals
@@wzdzysawzninosyn4905 I wasn't arguing wtf. I was adding to the conversation while making a light joke. Holy shit, this is why I don't comment anymore.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 I loved it. But I am just sad Disney's season 7 will be so short. You can also watch Crystal Crisis which is canon but, won't be reanimated.
The ultimate faction just needs Admiral Trench, Admiral Thrawn, and General Kalani. I mean Kalani was smart enough to deduce that the droid shutdown was a republic ploy.
I believe that trench was one of the top strategists the separatists had. I really like him although I hate spiders but it was good to see a good strategists
Being an arthropod the size and durability of trench would require a lot of oxygen. The oxygen content of the air would be around 70%, at least if he is to just not die. This would keep him from ever being in any room with anyone if one of them doesn’t have an air tank. That would make him be terrible in a ground war if he was leading an army of his own people as they would be locked off of other planets.
@NovaPrime Productions i'm saying that a brain needs oxygen. go cut the oxygen content of the air in your bedroom in half and see if you're feeling smart. the more processing power your brain would have the more calories and oxygen it would need.
@NovaPrime Productions if you doubled the oxygen content then you would pass out and wake up a few hours later. you would also be able to have much better aerobic abilities. however lowering it is much more dangerous as you are going to die sooner from a lack of oxygen similar to how you would die sooner if you stopped eating than if you switched to the my 600 pound life diet.
Harch Jedi… Forget dual wielding, it's Grevious with better coordination and Force powers. Pong Krell would be in for a duel … "How many kieber crystals do you need?"
Better than Grievous, six blades at once! or 12 if they use saber staffs... yep I think we discovered the most op potential Jedi in Star Wars, at least when it comes to saber combat.
To be fair, biologically, an arthropod doesn't necessarily have to be strong to support it's exoskeleton, the exoskeleton provides phenomenal leverage and support on by design, so it's not just that Atlas Beatles (for prime example) are full of raw strength, their lifting ability is helped by the leverage given by their exoskeleton. Plus, because of how large he is, his exoskeleton would have to be extremely strong/thick, because of the issues of larger animals lacking an endoskeleton, so he would indeed be quite heavy. Either way, he would still have a lot of durability and strength as a species.
@5:37 holy shit that was a commission piece *I* got from an artist for my au where trench survives and joins the rebellion (hence the beige coat and scrappy arm.)
Grievous, Trench and Thrawn. The three greatest admirals/generals of the separatist navy, also fun fact, spiders can't form blood clots so if they start bleeding, they can't stop it.
Despite his own claims, Trench lost the Battle of Anaxes because of Echo's algorithm. His normal hypervigilance softened as the algorithm did the work for him. As a result, Anakin snuck aboard Trench's flagship alongside Bad Batch, allowing him to sabotage Trench's droids, feed the Harch false information, and ultimately break into the bridge after Trench deployed the bomb.
He is one of the reasons that a _purely pragmatic GAR/Jedi Order_ (Palpatine got killed) should have targeted CIS leadership for assassination. Reprogram a few salvaged battledroids as assassins, or even as suicide bombers, and take out the talented organics that ran the show. And then you'll just be facing the also rans and predictable tactical droids.
I would love to see Trench and general grievous lead a army together. Seeing these two interacting. If you ask me, if think trench and grievous might have respect each other
We don't know for sure that he didn't survive. In light of the rest of his career, Trench's primary motivation seems to have been loyalty to Secundus Ando and the Harch species as a whole: the Corporate Alliance were allies of convenience. Kalini was made to fight the Republic - his programming made him incapable of doing otherwise - but Trench strikes me as a more pragmatic soul. Some Separatist warships turned pirate after the end of the Clone Wars - some, like the Recusant and Munificent-classes, were designed to be able to operate independently for long periods of time, and the high degree of automation meant that they didn't need extensive crews: both desirable traits in a pirate vessel.
It makes more sense with Kalani, though. He was a droid, basically the mirror-image of Rex, so them making peace would feel right... Also, let’s be fair, Trench would take _one look_ at them and they’d be dead 😂😂😂
Random idea for how to (sort of) bring Trench back in the New Republic era (or other future Star Wars eras): Trench's entire personality was copied/downloaded by Wat Tambor and the Techno Union (as part of a joint Separatist project intended to create even smarter algorithms/tactical droids), but because the Echo-based algorithm was easier to work with (thus more immediately profitable in Wat Tambor's eyes), the Trench AI prototype was left behind to collect dust in the Techno Union archives (right up until the Techno Union's surviving scientists learned of Vader/Palpatine's betrayal on Mustafar, and then swiftly responded by uploading the Trench AI to the one remote unspecified place that not even the Empire would be never be able to find) (Cue the transition to present-day/future era hijinks from greedy scavengers/pirates, who accidentally awaken the Trench AI from its several-decades long slumber...)
Love your vids Alan! You're a great speaker, casual & very articulate & relatable to the audience. Love how you include your viewers as part of the community: Generation Tech!
Problem is if you the type to never under estimate, you'll never have enough forces to cover off all options, the enemy will exploit that small weakness when able to.
Slightly off topic, but does anyone else here love B1 battle droids? I think they are brilliant. If not for the plot armor of the focus characters, I think these good-natured and chatty droids would win every battle, especially if capital expenses and supply-chain logistics were considered. I roll my eyes a little every time a B1 misses everything they are aiming at just because the plot does not permit a hit - a little like stormtroopers. They are killed without care by the story and the focus characters and not permitted to surrender because they are considered worthless.
Gregor... the last Republic Commando.. pulls him out, with echo calling the operation. Trench never had a chance. They pull Ahsoka... as order 66 occurs.. which was why Trench had an advantage. The force was with Rex, Gregor, Echo, and Ahsoka.. @StarWars
Hey Allen just wanted to point out a popular misconception with your Patton summary. A historian named Morieighty (IIRC) did some digging in the US archives a few years back and found a series of documents containing opinions of various German Generals on their counterparts. Turns out, almost none of them even knew who Patton was...nor feared him. Loved the video regardless, looking forward to new clone wars content!
There were more reports on Patton by the Germans then any other general in the war besides Zhukov. Monty was viewed mostly as incompetent in long string of British generals and Eisenhower was viewed more as a political figure more then a general because he ran the collation forces. which in the end caused the Germans to under estimate him. Also the reason the majority of German generals didn’t even know who he was or feared him was because the majority were on the eastern front along with the majority of the troops fighting the Russians. Only like a 1/4 of the German army actually fought the the The collation forces. All the collation forces were really were a mop up force sent to stop a complete soviet take over of Europe and accelerate/bring the end of the war. If Germans didn’t divert those troops and resources we could have seen a different end to the war. The Americans real fight was with Japan and the British were pretty much just fighting colonial wars with the Germans winning cause they were pretty much experts at it after centuries of fighting those kind of wars.
Have you ever heard the story of Darth trench the wise he was so wise and powerful that he could even cheat death clearly Palpatine took notes on trench
Amazing timing of this video. I’m binge watching the Clone Wars and I just watched the episode from S2 involving Trench and the Republic’s secret ship with a stealth cloaking device. But I can swear he blew up at the end of the episode. How the hell did he survive his ship exploding?
How did Ancient Humanity in the Halo universe last for over a 1000 thousand years in a total war with the Forerunner empire which had over 3 million systems that were almost all industrialized, a huge fleet numbering in the millions, and a huge population in the quadrillions? Plus Ancient Humanity had lost a huge portion of their population because of the Flood outbreak and they left almost all their worlds in huge exodus in the process. I heard they had some weapons that gave them the edge on the ground battles but what about space afterall space warfare is what determines the galactic war and Ancient Humanity's fleet must of been hugely outnumbered. Had did they last so long against the Forerunners?
Though I can't speak for most of the war I do know that the siege of the human capital lasted over 50 years because they used precursor technology to strengthen their space defenses.
Generally speaking, there are a few main answers to these questions (and in a way, perhaps without realising it, you've kind of answered your own question in a couple of ways): 1. Ancient Humanity was a Type 1 Civilisation according to the Forerunner's own estimations (whom also regarded themselves as a - stronger, by far - Type 1) In a sense, the Ancient Human Empire had effectively proven itself to be respectably powerful, and as another has mentioned here in reply to you, the humans were greatly helped by their discovery of Precursor technology on Charum Hakkor, their capital system (though not their homeworld) Now, the Forerunners had a far closer understanding of the Precursors and due to the greater, shall we say, historical longevity and cultural maturity of the Forerunners in a galactic sense, with regards to their Ecumene's rise being inextricably interwoven with the story of the Precursors, the Forerunners wouldn't necessarily have been too surprised by the advantages the humans would gain from learning from Precursor structures. Bear in mind that the human cities, while huge, were encrusted on the colossal and mysterious megastructures of the Precursors like barnacles on a rock. The Forerunners observing Charum Hakkor (in peacetime) whenever they visited, were impressed, in a kind of begrudging way. However, as you correctly point out the Forerunners were far more powerful. There were certainly technological parallels and while the Forerunners were hands down more technologically advanced and militarily the stronger, the humans had done very well for themselves. For perspective, the Covenant at it's absolute height wouldn't stand any chance whatsoever against the Ancient Human Empire. Indeed, the Covenant would wish it could attain the kind of power the Forerunners had (and I say Forerunners, because few save the Hierarchs in the Covenant faction prior to breaking up in the late phases of the Human-Covenant War, even knew about Ancient Humanity for what it really was, let alone what kind of power Ancient Humanity was packing - if most of the Covenant had known that, they'd realise they were fucking with the wrong species i.e. even if humanity as they saw it in the 26th century was apparently centuries if not millennia behind them technologically now, then they would respect how powerful they had once been, and maybe even view them more like the Forerunners) Again, it is unclear how much most alien species knew about either the Forerunners or the Ancient Humans - suffice it to say, even the Hierarchs clearly had very limited knowledge of even the Forerunners, whose structures and keyships had been left behind, much to the benefit of later Covenant development. In fact, a big reason why Ancient Humanity (post-devolution into hunter-gatherers by the Didact) had developed more slowly than the San'Shyuum or Sangheli, is in large part due to left behind Forerunner artefacts and technology etc randomly within reach of those species and others. Humanity on Earth, did not have this advantage. The very first Forerunner technology they encounter (without even knowing this is the case initially) is Installation 004, during the Human-Covenant War - the ring upon which the events of HALO: Combat Evolved originally took place. Puts it into perspective. The greedy San'Shyuum, knew most about the truth about the humans, but lied to the Covenant they led. Ancient Humans had developed the 2nd best tech in the galaxy after the Forerunners. If the Forerunners outmatched the Ancient Humans 10 to 1 and were millions of years older as a civilisation by the time they came into direct conflict, that in itself is no major shame on the humans. If anything, the humans had done staggeringly well in a relatively shorter timespan. How much of their development was in part down to mimicry or envy of the Forerunners, is hard to tell. Generally, the Forerunners were just, better, older and had been doing the same stuff a lot longer. It wasn't that humanity was rubbish or stupid, it was just a matter of timing and opportunity. Lacking certain territorial and technological advantages, yet still having outstanding capabilities nonetheless, Ancient Humanity was basically on the verge of something greater - if not for the Flood and all that they caused, directly or indirectly. I know explaining this seems to only add weight to why the _Forerunners_ won, but the question was about how did humanity last so long. I think that in all fairness, Ancient Humanity was a pain in the arse for the Forerunners to deal with. Which leads me onto point 2. 2. Though majorly outmatched by the Forerunners, this doesn't mean that the Ancient Humans were not going down without one hell of a fight. Besides the background details of the Flood manipulating *everything* happening in that conflict between the Forerunners and Humans, the Humans themselves had been driven to sheer desperation by sacrificing 1/3 of their population to the Flood, on a lie. Believing they had created a successful counter strain of Flood to fight the Flood itself (fighting fire with fire, so to speak), humanity had used a vast swathe of their territory as a living firebreak, figuratively speaking, sacrificing billions, if not trillions, in the process. The whole time, the Flood Gravemind was just fucking with Ancient Humanity and letting them believe the bullshit act which it had allowed them to watch unfold. What is most messed up about that, is how it maintained a strategically successful masterplan which paid dividends for the Flood in both the events of the Human-Forerunner War and the Forerunner-Flood War. Driven to despair by the Flood themselves, and crashing headlong into Forerunner space in an overtly hostile seeming manner (think, Gothic Huns on the Danube crossing into Western Roman territory - a civilisation on the move, running headfirst into another one; with predictable results - cue slaughter), Ancient Humanity was obliterating worlds with Flood infections (Forerunner worlds, on the outskirts of Forerunner territory) In other words, they were mercy killing dying Forerunner systems. Now, doing that (glassing/orbitally bombarding) was obviously an extreme measure but considering how far humanity had gone in fighting the Flood up to then, shows that they must have been quite willing to do it regardless of the absolutely appalling optics. Indeed, complacent in their cradle of power, the Forerunners were naturally outraged when humanity had apparently genocidally massacred entire planets with naval energy weapons (of which humanity made surprisingly very, very good ones, getting on par with Forerunner versions) To even be able to do that to the Forerunners (surprise advantage or not, Flood infestation or not) shows they were very formidable adversaries. So going back to what I said about them being a pain in the arse for the Forerunners to deal with? Well yeah, basically, the Humans were a very, very powerful upstart. Nowhere near as strong as the Forerunners, but *more than strong enough to do grievous harm to the Forerunners nonetheless* in open warfare. Although vastly outmatching the Ancient Human Empire, the Forerunner Ecumene wasn't _so ridiculously_ superior that they could take this easy. Plus, the Humans were fighting like lions against the Forerunners, in their savage desperation after fleeing from the Flood. This was what the Flood wanted, to let the humanoids fight and tear each other apart, weakening both to make the job of the Flood easier later. In a way, the Flood were practically testing the Forerunner military and logistical capabilities ahead of time, through humanity as their unwitting puppet (the Primordial was playing 8D chess with everyone, including the Didact) Think of it like two first world powers with state of the art equipment and vehicles, doing battle in the 21st century (or 20th century) e.g. Sure, the USA is 10 times or more, greater in raw numbers and firepower militarily speaking, than either Britain or France, but would the USA particularly like to fight to the death with either (in the sandbox where this can happen, though in real life all three are strong allies of course)? Clearly not. It'd be winnable for the USA, of course it would - but either the UK or France, in spite of being much smaller and less capable, would still be more than strong enough as official ''Great Powers'', with Tier 2 Blue Water Navies and plenty of state of the art tech, capable of giving the Americans a bloody nose (though hands down the USA would win in the end of course, in the 21st century at least) [1/2]
[2/2] If you want to see what it looks like when first world nations slog it out without remorse, see...big sections of the first half of the 20th century; i.e. the world wars. e.g. Sure the British Empire's colonial possessions were literally 10 times the size of the German Empire's in 1914, yet this didn't stop the Germans being a pain in some places (though eventually the British and their allies crushed most German overseas opposition away from the Western Front, with one very important and infamous exception in the case of the deeds of Lettow von Vorbeck, though that is another matter) Sure it was a David VS Goliath situation for the Germans to dare tread on the toes of the British Imperials at a time when British Imperialism was reaching it's apex of power, while their own Empire was so weak colonially (though immensely strong on the European continent of course; their one true forte) - but still they could achieve a lot of things. This isn't like the Covenant VS the UNSC where the Covenant have an often ridiculously unfair advantage; no, in the case of the Ancient Humans VS the Forerunners, basically they were highly competitive were those Ancient Humans, in some fields. According to a few things I've read, in some scientific fields and weapons technologies, they had even begun to win a slight lead. But in most regards, they were still behind the Forerunners. This includes numerically, too. Humanity was always the underdog in that situation. Maybe had they been left alone and not messed up by the Flood, for say...another 100,000-200,000 years, the Humans would have begun to reach Forerunner levels of civilisational maturity in earnest. In many fields and technologies, they needed far, far less than that, too - more like a few dozen years to catch up. Obviously, the Forerunners themselves were (while apparently largely stagnant on a kind of plateau of grandeur) technically continuing to get more advanced too. If humanity was on the verge of becoming a true rival of the Forerunners, the Forerunners themselves were long pushing towards something that was far beyond. The greatest among them were mindful of the superior technology and wisdom of the Precursors - the *only* species they deemed superior to themselves (though they had committed genocide on them 10 million years earlier, nonetheless) To go toe to toe with the Forerunners for a thousand years, speaks to the might of Ancient Humanity. I'll grant you though, a millennia of war does seem a bit over the top. I don't particularly like that myself. 500 years tops, I think, would be better. It's just how it is written. "Rule of Cool" VS realistic strategic logic? Perhaps. ''They did battle for a thousand years'' does sound cooler than, ''humanity got kicked the shit out of in a decade''. I guess with HALO, the more grandiose time spans do have that sort of appeal. 3. From a naval standpoint, that could be Ancient Humanity's greatest forte. The UNSC Infinity was powerful enough to do serious hull damage to the Mantle's Approach (the Didact's flagship) with giant MAC's. Sure, the UNSC Infinity was the greatest warship the UNSC had ever built and was inspired by acquired understanding of reverse engineered Covenant and even Forerunner inspiration tech. However, we could safely assume that the UNSC Infinity, for all it's might, would be outclassed by Ancient Human warships of old. It stands to reason that this is the case. We know for a fact that Ancient Human vessels were purging life from entire planets rapidly, using glassing tech that far, far exceeded that of say, the Covenant. If they could do that, they could maximise their firepower, in rapid strikes, getting a more balanced situation to play out. They didn't want to fight the far stronger Forerunners, but that is how it came to be (neither side appreciating that the Flood was simply biding it's time, allowing this to happen and indeed wanting it to) The British Empire for most of it's history was never meant to maintain a very large standing army - it's forte was as a naval, maritime, trade oriented Empire of Commerce and Naval Might to reinforce it on the open oceans and along the sea lanes. Controlling key strategic fortress islands and geographic gateways (e.g. Gibraltar; e.g. Suez Canal; e.g. English Channel; e.g. Malta; e.g. Hong Kong etc) Napoleon's Grande Armee was 5 to 6 times the size of the British Army on a good day for the British. Though having a well-trained and well-equipped army of their own, with plenty of logistical support, artillery and elite units and heavy as well as light cavalry, they could NOT simply dump the entire British Army off in France and hope for the best. Against Napoleon? Whom with even a third as many men as he originally had (prior to 1812, at least) could probably crush any other army of the day? Obviously not. Peripheral strategy on land was better in that case (see Peninsular War) Britain's power was at sea. In that arena, Britain was dominant in that time, and for long after too. While Napoleon was too weak at sea to stop Britain, Britain couldn't directly risk her much smaller armies in a head-on march on Paris, if alone (Napoleon would have crushed any such attempt in his prime; no general in history won as many battles as him; 60 battles) Britain wasn't interested in spending a lot of money on a big army. It wanted a fuck off massive navy instead. Maybe the power of the Ancient Humans in HALO could be considered more of a space based naval power focused on expeditionary warfare, especially after it had coordinated massive evacuations across the Ancient Human Empire in the face of the Flood onslaught. Maybe, relative to their ground forces, the Ancient Human navies were far bigger by then by necessity. Remember, 2/3 of humanity (i.e. all that escaped the Flood) were basically tidal surging themselves (totally uninvited) into Forerunner territory. To begin with, maybe the shock and awe of the humans would win through, but as the Forerunners began to properly kick into gear, thinks would end badly for them. But who knows... It is known that Forthchencko, the Lord of Admirals, was very talented and had ordered the glassing of planets known to have Flood outbreaks from the start of contact with Forerunner worlds. He was a bold and crafty leader. 2 of the Didact's own sons perished fighting on Charum Hakkor at the end of the war. Maybe the Lord of Admirals had made the most of a grossly numerically inferior fighting force, while the Forerunners themselves weren't fully committal to the conflict anyway? Hard to know really. For the Siege of Charum Hakkor itself to persist for over 50 years, shows a lot of bitterness and pride in the humans and Forerunners both. It was obviously going to be ending in human defeat. It must also be remembered that Human AI, power armour, infantry weapons and hulls, were all at such a high standard technologically, that the Forerunners considered them a Tier 1. For them to have done that proves just how much respect they had for each other. Sure, the Forerunners instantly lost that respect and soon hated the Humans (but from their point of view it is really understandable - millions of their children apparently murdered) Realistically that would cause mayhem, let's face it. P.S - Here are a few more ideas worth thinking about: - the Forerunners were hesitant to obliterate or damage their own worlds. - the Humans had no such hindrance and could wipe out entire planets if they really wanted to. - the Forerunners may well have underestimated the magnitude of the conflict while the Humans may have fought more creatively. Again, rather difficult to tell. Suffice it to say that Humanity did well - but the Forerunners were like: "Anything you can do I can do better, anything you can do I can do better you!" because, well, they just could (e.g. Having the absolute best mastery of slipspace travel, the Forerunners were superior in that regard, performing exquisitely precise jumps and manoeuvres that were the envy of all) Yet still, humanity held for a thousand years. Most of what was left of the warships of Ancient Humanity, were turned into a debris field outside Charum Hakkor by the Forerunners (though this siege was a nightmare for both sides and the Forerunners suffered heavy losses) Like I say, a big part of me wonders that the more you think about the figures, the less it makes sense. Sure, the Forerunner-Flood War was 300 years. I can actually believe that. But 1,000 for the Human-Forerunner War? Meh, not sold on it myself. What it boiled down to was attrition slog that saw both sides lose out. *Cui Bono?* (''to whom is it a benefit?'') **Primordial laughing maniacally while petting Mendicant Bias like a cat Dr Evil style** Both humanity and the Forerunners lost really. Militarily, sure, the Forerunners comprehensively and decisively shattered Ancient Humanity; their sheer size and power dominating as was predictable. But millions of Forerunners died in the Human-Forerunner War, understandably enough. - Also keep in mind that both sides utilise life-extending combat suits. Ancients humans could live centuries longer than they do now in our real world. Forerunners meanwhile were virtually able to live forever with their sheer mastery of combat suits. Anyhow, essay over lol Forerunners VS Ancient Humans reminds me of the AVP (Alien VS Predator) 2004 tagline - ''whoever wins, we lose!'' - except in reverse; ''whoever wins, the Flood win''.
Patton had the power of the "Enigma"... of course he thought he was unstoppable, because he was... looking at later ww2 in greater detail with the Enigma in mind changes every aspect about it, many battles were won, because the generals in command had a cheat sheet; taking nothing away from the man, the myth, the legend himself, but it is interesting to consider how his legacy would be remembered if the allies didn't break Enigma...
That and he had a near eidetic memory considering he identified structures and landmarks in Europe for his men, despite having not been to Europe in over forty years or so. Despite his flaws, the guy was still a very *very* competent general.
@@austinkersey2445 he would've lead the invasion of europe if it weren't for the slapping incident one would assume... He expected a lot from his troops, sometimes too much
@@austinkersey2445 Patton saw it that if a couple of soldiers pleaded mental health as a reason to get out of war, they all might consider it... you have to be tough to survive war; you have to be just as tough to survive when you get back home, but a different sought of toughness... wonder if Patton's like survives in this age, and is that a good or a bad thing, and do people have the luxury of critiquing Patton because the world is currently not at war...
suck how trench was just killed off like how he was in season 7 i wish we could see his character again in any future movies or tv series around the end of the clone wars
Random idea for how to (sort of) bring Trench back in the New Republic era (or other future Star Wars eras): Trench's entire personality was copied/downloaded by Wat Tambor and the Techno Union (as part of a joint Separatist project intended to create even smarter algorithms/tactical droids), but because the Echo-based algorithm was easier to work with (thus more immediately profitable in Wat Tambor's eyes), the Trench AI prototype was left behind to collect dust in the Techno Union archives (right up until the Techno Union's surviving scientists learned of Vader/Palpatine's betrayal on Mustafar, and then swiftly responded by uploading the Trench AI to the one remote unspecified place that not even the Empire would be never be able to find) (Cue the transition to present-day/future era hijinks from greedy scavengers/pirates, who accidentally awaken the Trench AI from its several-decades long slumber...)
Imagine Trench and Thrawn playing a game of chess.
I read comments about Trench and Thrawn in a fleet showdown but holy shit, Thrawn vs Trench in chess could be one of the most interesting chess games ever
The game starts with both moving their 3rd from the left pawn forward one space, after a commercial break the board is on fire, after a "technical difficulties" break the board is no longer on fire but somehow the two of them have built a board state in which they can no longer move pieces.
Fanfiction writers, make this happen!
Trench is smart but I think Thrawn would win hands down.
He'd ragequit and turn the board over when losing.
Love Trench but if there is one problem I disliked about The Clone Wars is how mostly all their villains were pure evil. Really could have explored The Separatist side of the conflict more.
Refer to the onderon senator episodes. Onderon was a peaceful country that pledged loyalty to the cis.
As Kenny said be sure to check out all of he Clone Wars episodes about Lux Bonteri.
They did several story arcs showing the Separatists as anything but pure evil.
I don't really know where you got this idea from...
Sqocks I think he’s mostly referring to the fact that we don’t see it enough, and at the same time the seps just like to be evil for the sake of being evil. Also I don’t think the show adapted dooku well at all.
there is Mar Tuuk, the Nemoidian Captain of the ryloth blockade. hes probably the closest the clone wars gets to depicting a Seperatist commander as "Noble"
Imagine him working with Thrawn.
I want them to go up against each other
Protostar That sounds terrifying.
JAKphoenixify The Chiss Ascendancy would be the fucking Holy Chiss Empire 😂
@@anarchy9910 That will never happen. Watch season 7 Bad Batch story reel.
@@anarchy9910 maybe in an alternate universe story
Admiral Trench is one of few aliens in SW that actually looks scary, even in his cartoon form, and I don't even have an arachnophobia.
I do have arachnophobia so when this episode premiered when I was a kid I like could not watch his scenes easily 😂😂
@@brockgundich I am extremely aracknophobic, though cartoon spiders didn't really fase me
@@jonahgraham2364 well it doesn't bother me now,I was like 11 when this episode came out though
Trench is a tactical genius spider that took a few missiles to the face and lived! I am sorry. If that isn't scary. Then, just imagine if Trench of a Darth Lord?
I always feel vaguely uncomfortable whenever he moves his teeth
Best Admirals
1. Trench and Thrawn
2. Tarkin (he was admiral for some time)
3. Ackbar
4. Yualarenn
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16849358779996432. Holdo
@@user-dp7xd5lq8l and Thrawn was a *Grand* Amiral
Wzdzysław Żninosyn Well he was admiral first of course
Wzdzysław Żninosyn Agree, why is Tarkin above Ackbar in your opinion?
@@axelf8557 it's pretty hard to exactly said why. I think that Tarkin is way more competive and intimidating
Ackbar has to make the list just for the " ITS A TRAP" line lol.
Admiral Trench was a powerhouse. Makes many Empire Admirals and even a Grand Admiral or two look like fools
He makes the entire empire look like fools except for thrawn
well the empire didn't very much to offer
Thrawn would make Trench his bitch lmao
*Edit: This is a joke btw, both are good characters [Thrawn is my bet though] didn't think I needed to put a disclaimer but this is the internet and I forgot people can't handle a joke*
@@vos7619 maybe instad of arguing we will just accept that some People think Trench was better, and some that Thrawn is
Both are amazingly competent and There is no need to argue over two fictional admirals
@@wzdzysawzninosyn4905 I wasn't arguing wtf. I was adding to the conversation while making a light joke. Holy shit, this is why I don't comment anymore.
Trench came back for the same reason Maul and others did: he is a fan favorite.
Then Mace needs to come back. Even if it's in an alternate universe story.
@@billclark5055 Well, there us a fan film that has Vader fighting a returned Mace.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 I saw the 1st episode of it
@@billclark5055 Cool, how was it?
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 I loved it. But I am just sad Disney's season 7 will be so short. You can also watch Crystal Crisis which is canon but, won't be reanimated.
He deserves a new word to describe him ‘terrorific’, he is terrifying to go up against and he is a terrific commander
when you have 6 arms, so you can cross your 2 back arms to look even more evil w/o hampering dexterity.
JoaoG R all the dude's missing is a monocle and 19th century war vet mustache 😂
@@blackshogun272 but now he's got the fake eye
@@jgr7487 and his mandibles kinda resemble a moustache
@@jamesm783 all he needs now is a top hat
General Grievous should take notes
wonder if they might let him survive season 7 some how, could be fun knowing he could still be alive somewere out there biding his time
Imagine him finding General Kalani.
YES ! I've often joked about his post-Clone Wars survival, becoming an unkillable SOB and driving Vader crazy XD "WHY WON'T YOU DIE ???!!!"
Let’s just say anakin shows his dark side. Watch the new season it’s out unfinished.
Admiral Trench returns in the bad batch arc. Something you'd know if you knew anything about the original unfinished season 7.
Muahahaha, I have ruined your perfect 69 likes!
The ultimate faction just needs Admiral Trench, Admiral Thrawn, and General Kalani. I mean Kalani was smart enough to deduce that the droid shutdown was a republic ploy.
Yes they would need them and then would be unstoppable
I believe that trench was one of the top strategists the separatists had. I really like him although I hate spiders but it was good to see a good strategists
Admiral Trench's stats: Smart, Powerful, Unpredictable, the best in an otherwise poorly managed government, and respected by his enemies.
Me: ROMMEL!?
Ja. The desert fox in space.
Brandon Bonett He’s even hindered by a rigged government and chain of command
Trueeee
Indeed.
Spider Rommel, Spider Rommel, does whatever a Spider Rommel does!
Being an arthropod the size and durability of trench would require a lot of oxygen. The oxygen content of the air would be around 70%, at least if he is to just not die. This would keep him from ever being in any room with anyone if one of them doesn’t have an air tank. That would make him be terrible in a ground war if he was leading an army of his own people as they would be locked off of other planets.
Asdf You are assuming his biology is just like a spider’s.
Jacob Walther chill I’m just applying logic. A big spider who is very intelligent needs a lot of oxygen.
NovaPrime Productions spiders don’t have lungs. They’re arthropods.
@NovaPrime Productions i'm saying that a brain needs oxygen. go cut the oxygen content of the air in your bedroom in half and see if you're feeling smart. the more processing power your brain would have the more calories and oxygen it would need.
@NovaPrime Productions if you doubled the oxygen content then you would pass out and wake up a few hours later. you would also be able to have much better aerobic abilities. however lowering it is much more dangerous as you are going to die sooner from a lack of oxygen similar to how you would die sooner if you stopped eating than if you switched to the my 600 pound life diet.
Harch Jedi…
Forget dual wielding, it's Grevious with better coordination and Force powers. Pong Krell would be in for a duel …
"How many kieber crystals do you need?"
Better than Grievous, six blades at once! or 12 if they use saber staffs... yep I think we discovered the most op potential Jedi in Star Wars, at least when it comes to saber combat.
@@coledewey3564 Hmm, what would be the best Lightsaber form (or forms) for a Harch to specialise in?
@@casbot71 probably a very agressive form, maybe Djem-So or Vapaad
@@macewindu3492 based on how defensive and analytical he is I'd say Form 3
@@MrMikado282 true, but an offensive form could be moreeffective
trench had one weakness nobody really knew, australians, he never encountered one in this universe, but he always feared they’d come, one day
Clones are all Australian
@@cosmobane6995they’re actually from New Zealand, which is a close second to Australians.
2:48 ty for the shoutout
To be fair, biologically, an arthropod doesn't necessarily have to be strong to support it's exoskeleton, the exoskeleton provides phenomenal leverage and support on by design, so it's not just that Atlas Beatles (for prime example) are full of raw strength, their lifting ability is helped by the leverage given by their exoskeleton.
Plus, because of how large he is, his exoskeleton would have to be extremely strong/thick, because of the issues of larger animals lacking an endoskeleton, so he would indeed be quite heavy.
Either way, he would still have a lot of durability and strength as a species.
Tretch plus Thrawn plus Grievous would be a ludicrous combo.
@5:37
holy shit that was a commission piece *I* got from an artist for my au where trench survives and joins the rebellion (hence the beige coat and scrappy arm.)
Ooooh that sounds interesting!
That does sound pretty cool tho
Dude, can you share a link?
I’d read that
@@crimsonfists6224 haha, i'm flattered! i'm afraid that fic doesn't exist, but i sure wish it did!
“The mad man known as Anakin Skywalker.” Yeah I’d say that fits.
Grievous and Trench combo would be OP
Vs thrawn
it's even funny to to consider too when you remember trench's "invincible" is twice as large as grievous' "invisible hand."
I’m not sure they would get along, grievous seems to detest the other CIS leaders and vice versa.
Greater Grievobeast 55 I think that’s stems from the fact that Grievous cared less about the politics of the war
Grievous, Trench and Thrawn. The three greatest admirals/generals of the separatist navy, also fun fact, spiders can't form blood clots so if they start bleeding, they can't stop it.
You should do a profile on his ground based counter part in Whorm Loathsome
you mean when Obi Wan Kenobi used a white flag to get close to the enemy general and arrest him
Generation Tech yeah. That one
Generation Tech more Geneva convention violations
@@maozedong7536 You saying Geneva Convention with the profile of Mao Zedong is laughable.
Great leap forward? And the Chinese civil war. He Uh.....did ‘things’
Anakin: I killed the Spider!
Republic: Oh thank the Force!
Trench "The Not So Dead": I am going to ruin this little Jedi's career.
Anakin during Anaxes: "Oh I don't think so."
And he would have got away with it to, if it hadn't been for those meddling Jedi.
Despite his own claims, Trench lost the Battle of Anaxes because of Echo's algorithm. His normal hypervigilance softened as the algorithm did the work for him. As a result, Anakin snuck aboard Trench's flagship alongside Bad Batch, allowing him to sabotage Trench's droids, feed the Harch false information, and ultimately break into the bridge after Trench deployed the bomb.
Thrawn vs Trench would be one awesome fight
He is one of the reasons that a _purely pragmatic GAR/Jedi Order_ (Palpatine got killed) should have targeted CIS leadership for assassination.
Reprogram a few salvaged battledroids as assassins, or even as suicide bombers, and take out the talented organics that ran the show. And then you'll just be facing the also rans and predictable tactical droids.
"Predictable" tactical droids? That certainly describes most of the bunch, but what about Kalani?
Ok. Well considering the whole cis army and navy is droids... They could have suicide bombed literally everything.
I legit screamed when it cut to a photo of a spider. Gotta love that fear
A chess battle between Thrawn and Trench would be incredible.
“I smell fear... and it smells good.”
He was known as mr spidey in my mind
After the war, German officers and soldiers were asked which opposing general they feared the most, most hadn’t even heard of Patton
So whom did they fear the most then?
@@sumanadasawijayapala5372Probably a soviet one. Those guys were ruthless as i heard. Might be wrong though
Who is best, Trench or Thrawn? You should do a video about that
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Sebastian Konradsen Wilson mispelled on porpoise?
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I would love to see Trench and general grievous lead a army together. Seeing these two interacting.
If you ask me, if think trench and grievous might have respect each other
AWWW THAT WAS A CUTE SPIDER!
I honestly wish he survived and he, instead of Kalini ended the clone wars with Rex
We don't know for sure that he didn't survive. In light of the rest of his career, Trench's primary motivation seems to have been loyalty to Secundus Ando and the Harch species as a whole: the Corporate Alliance were allies of convenience. Kalini was made to fight the Republic - his programming made him incapable of doing otherwise - but Trench strikes me as a more pragmatic soul.
Some Separatist warships turned pirate after the end of the Clone Wars - some, like the Recusant and Munificent-classes, were designed to be able to operate independently for long periods of time, and the high degree of automation meant that they didn't need extensive crews: both desirable traits in a pirate vessel.
It makes more sense with Kalani, though. He was a droid, basically the mirror-image of Rex, so them making peace would feel right...
Also, let’s be fair, Trench would take _one look_ at them and they’d be dead 😂😂😂
Random idea for how to (sort of) bring Trench back in the New Republic era (or other future Star Wars eras):
Trench's entire personality was copied/downloaded by Wat Tambor and the Techno Union
(as part of a joint Separatist project intended to create even smarter algorithms/tactical droids),
but because the Echo-based algorithm was easier to work with
(thus more immediately profitable in Wat Tambor's eyes),
the Trench AI prototype was left behind to collect dust in the Techno Union archives
(right up until the Techno Union's surviving scientists learned of Vader/Palpatine's betrayal on Mustafar, and then swiftly responded by uploading the Trench AI to the one remote unspecified place that not even the Empire would be never be able to find)
(Cue the transition to present-day/future era hijinks from greedy scavengers/pirates, who accidentally awaken the Trench AI from its several-decades long slumber...)
Love your vids Alan! You're a great speaker, casual & very articulate & relatable to the audience. Love how you include your viewers as part of the community: Generation Tech!
Rex is like Patton. Following orders in their own way
Problem is if you the type to never under estimate, you'll never have enough forces to cover off all options, the enemy will exploit that small weakness when able to.
Thrawn and Trench would be an unstoppable team
Wait if trench is that old could we see baby trench in the High Republic?
Please do a 10 flaws of the C9979 droid troop ship
1:31 can we all agree that this is a very cute little spider?
It scared me very badly.
so space spiders?
Tbh, the ONLY reason Anakin managed that stealth ship trick was because of plot armor.
Trench should have nightmares of Anakin Skywalker lol
I had a lot of respect for Trench and his tactical accumen
Slightly off topic, but does anyone else here love B1 battle droids? I think they are brilliant. If not for the plot armor of the focus characters, I think these good-natured and chatty droids would win every battle, especially if capital expenses and supply-chain logistics were considered. I roll my eyes a little every time a B1 misses everything they are aiming at just because the plot does not permit a hit - a little like stormtroopers. They are killed without care by the story and the focus characters and not permitted to surrender because they are considered worthless.
I dug that U-boat episode. I can't wait for season 7
I have arachnophobia, and this admiral pretty awesome yet perplexing at the same time
He had extra eyes and hands to plan his attacks, instead of just two of each
Although I hate spiders, oh damn do I love Trench
"Tarantulas do not make webs"
Yes and no. They do not make webs to hunt for prey, but they do spin silk to line their dens.
It's obvious why he is so good. It's his spidey sense.
Gregor... the last Republic Commando.. pulls him out, with echo calling the operation.
Trench never had a chance. They pull Ahsoka... as order 66 occurs.. which was why Trench had an advantage. The force was with Rex, Gregor, Echo, and Ahsoka..
@StarWars
I love generation tech videos!
Patton actually did identify things like landmarks and cultures accurately, he said that he knew of them from past lives
It's pretty ridicilous considering he hadn't visited Europe since he was a child. Maybe he had an Atlas? Either way the guy was one hell of a general.
“Dismantle mines, yes? Or, you die.”
-The other clicking spider alien voiced by Dee Bradley Baker
Hey Allen just wanted to point out a popular misconception with your Patton summary. A historian named Morieighty (IIRC) did some digging in the US archives a few years back and found a series of documents containing opinions of various German Generals on their counterparts.
Turns out, almost none of them even knew who Patton was...nor feared him.
Loved the video regardless, looking forward to new clone wars content!
There were more reports on Patton by the Germans then any other general in the war besides Zhukov. Monty was viewed mostly as incompetent in long string of British generals and Eisenhower was viewed more as a political figure more then a general because he ran the collation forces. which in the end caused the Germans to under estimate him. Also the reason the majority of German generals didn’t even know who he was or feared him was because the majority were on the eastern front along with the majority of the troops fighting the Russians. Only like a 1/4 of the German army actually fought the the The collation forces. All the collation forces were really were a mop up force sent to stop a complete soviet take over of Europe and accelerate/bring the end of the war. If Germans didn’t divert those troops and resources we could have seen a different end to the war. The Americans real fight was with Japan and the British were pretty much just fighting colonial wars with the Germans winning cause they were pretty much experts at it after centuries of fighting those kind of wars.
I was the strategic commander at my friend's Airsoft party. My team used my strategy and we actually won.
Generation tech: 12 minute video on why he’s so good
Me: simple answer, he was written that way
Anakin used the Keyes loop.
Generation Tech talkin history now, I’m on bored!
Those clicking mandibles! That's why he was so effective!
Have you ever heard the story of Darth trench the wise he was so wise and powerful that he could even cheat death clearly Palpatine took notes on trench
1. He's a literal spider
2. He's a spider
3. He's a spooder
Trench =scary brilliant!
He was patient. But Rex was Bold.
Amazing timing of this video. I’m binge watching the Clone Wars and I just watched the episode from S2 involving Trench and the Republic’s secret ship with a stealth cloaking device. But I can swear he blew up at the end of the episode. How the hell did he survive his ship exploding?
Oh it’s beautiful.
I dont want him to die in 7th season :(
Didn't expect a Bill Cosby reference in a Star Wars lore vid
The C.I.S is number 1!!!
Good video
Competent, smart, and threatening evil commanders are so much more interesting than brainless drones and comic relief enemies
Nice
How did Ancient Humanity in the Halo universe last for over a 1000 thousand years in a total war with the Forerunner empire which had over 3 million systems that were almost all industrialized, a huge fleet numbering in the millions, and a huge population in the quadrillions? Plus Ancient Humanity had lost a huge portion of their population because of the Flood outbreak and they left almost all their worlds in huge exodus in the process.
I heard they had some weapons that gave them the edge on the ground battles but what about space afterall space warfare is what determines the galactic war and Ancient Humanity's fleet must of been hugely outnumbered. Had did they last so long against the Forerunners?
The forerunners were r3tarded
Though I can't speak for most of the war I do know that the siege of the human capital lasted over 50 years because they used precursor technology to strengthen their space defenses.
Ridiculously strong plot armor
Generally speaking, there are a few main answers to these questions (and in a way, perhaps without realising it, you've kind of answered your own question in a couple of ways):
1. Ancient Humanity was a Type 1 Civilisation according to the Forerunner's own estimations (whom also regarded themselves as a - stronger, by far - Type 1)
In a sense, the Ancient Human Empire had effectively proven itself to be respectably powerful, and as another has mentioned here in reply to you, the humans were greatly helped by their discovery of Precursor technology on Charum Hakkor, their capital system (though not their homeworld)
Now, the Forerunners had a far closer understanding of the Precursors and due to the greater, shall we say, historical longevity and cultural maturity of the Forerunners in a galactic sense, with regards to their Ecumene's rise being inextricably interwoven with the story of the Precursors, the Forerunners wouldn't necessarily have been too surprised by the advantages the humans would gain from learning from Precursor structures.
Bear in mind that the human cities, while huge, were encrusted on the colossal and mysterious megastructures of the Precursors like barnacles on a rock. The Forerunners observing Charum Hakkor (in peacetime) whenever they visited, were impressed, in a kind of begrudging way. However, as you correctly point out the Forerunners were far more powerful. There were certainly technological parallels and while the Forerunners were hands down more technologically advanced and militarily the stronger, the humans had done very well for themselves.
For perspective, the Covenant at it's absolute height wouldn't stand any chance whatsoever against the Ancient Human Empire. Indeed, the Covenant would wish it could attain the kind of power the Forerunners had (and I say Forerunners, because few save the Hierarchs in the Covenant faction prior to breaking up in the late phases of the Human-Covenant War, even knew about Ancient Humanity for what it really was, let alone what kind of power Ancient Humanity was packing - if most of the Covenant had known that, they'd realise they were fucking with the wrong species i.e. even if humanity as they saw it in the 26th century was apparently centuries if not millennia behind them technologically now, then they would respect how powerful they had once been, and maybe even view them more like the Forerunners)
Again, it is unclear how much most alien species knew about either the Forerunners or the Ancient Humans - suffice it to say, even the Hierarchs clearly had very limited knowledge of even the Forerunners, whose structures and keyships had been left behind, much to the benefit of later Covenant development.
In fact, a big reason why Ancient Humanity (post-devolution into hunter-gatherers by the Didact) had developed more slowly than the San'Shyuum or Sangheli, is in large part due to left behind Forerunner artefacts and technology etc randomly within reach of those species and others. Humanity on Earth, did not have this advantage. The very first Forerunner technology they encounter (without even knowing this is the case initially) is Installation 004, during the Human-Covenant War - the ring upon which the events of HALO: Combat Evolved originally took place. Puts it into perspective. The greedy San'Shyuum, knew most about the truth about the humans, but lied to the Covenant they led.
Ancient Humans had developed the 2nd best tech in the galaxy after the Forerunners.
If the Forerunners outmatched the Ancient Humans 10 to 1 and were millions of years older as a civilisation by the time they came into direct conflict, that in itself is no major shame on the humans.
If anything, the humans had done staggeringly well in a relatively shorter timespan. How much of their development was in part down to mimicry or envy of the Forerunners, is hard to tell.
Generally, the Forerunners were just, better, older and had been doing the same stuff a lot longer. It wasn't that humanity was rubbish or stupid, it was just a matter of timing and opportunity. Lacking certain territorial and technological advantages, yet still having outstanding capabilities nonetheless, Ancient Humanity was basically on the verge of something greater - if not for the Flood and all that they caused, directly or indirectly.
I know explaining this seems to only add weight to why the _Forerunners_ won, but the question was about how did humanity last so long.
I think that in all fairness, Ancient Humanity was a pain in the arse for the Forerunners to deal with. Which leads me onto point 2.
2. Though majorly outmatched by the Forerunners, this doesn't mean that the Ancient Humans were not going down without one hell of a fight. Besides the background details of the Flood manipulating *everything* happening in that conflict between the Forerunners and Humans, the Humans themselves had been driven to sheer desperation by sacrificing 1/3 of their population to the Flood, on a lie. Believing they had created a successful counter strain of Flood to fight the Flood itself (fighting fire with fire, so to speak), humanity had used a vast swathe of their territory as a living firebreak, figuratively speaking, sacrificing billions, if not trillions, in the process. The whole time, the Flood Gravemind was just fucking with Ancient Humanity and letting them believe the bullshit act which it had allowed them to watch unfold.
What is most messed up about that, is how it maintained a strategically successful masterplan which paid dividends for the Flood in both the events of the Human-Forerunner War and the Forerunner-Flood War. Driven to despair by the Flood themselves, and crashing headlong into Forerunner space in an overtly hostile seeming manner (think, Gothic Huns on the Danube crossing into Western Roman territory - a civilisation on the move, running headfirst into another one; with predictable results - cue slaughter), Ancient Humanity was obliterating worlds with Flood infections (Forerunner worlds, on the outskirts of Forerunner territory)
In other words, they were mercy killing dying Forerunner systems.
Now, doing that (glassing/orbitally bombarding) was obviously an extreme measure but considering how far humanity had gone in fighting the Flood up to then, shows that they must have been quite willing to do it regardless of the absolutely appalling optics.
Indeed, complacent in their cradle of power, the Forerunners were naturally outraged when humanity had apparently genocidally massacred entire planets with naval energy weapons (of which humanity made surprisingly very, very good ones, getting on par with Forerunner versions)
To even be able to do that to the Forerunners (surprise advantage or not, Flood infestation or not) shows they were very formidable adversaries. So going back to what I said about them being a pain in the arse for the Forerunners to deal with? Well yeah, basically, the Humans were a very, very powerful upstart. Nowhere near as strong as the Forerunners, but *more than strong enough to do grievous harm to the Forerunners nonetheless* in open warfare.
Although vastly outmatching the Ancient Human Empire, the Forerunner Ecumene wasn't _so ridiculously_ superior that they could take this easy. Plus, the Humans were fighting like lions against the Forerunners, in their savage desperation after fleeing from the Flood. This was what the Flood wanted, to let the humanoids fight and tear each other apart, weakening both to make the job of the Flood easier later. In a way, the Flood were practically testing the Forerunner military and logistical capabilities ahead of time, through humanity as their unwitting puppet (the Primordial was playing 8D chess with everyone, including the Didact)
Think of it like two first world powers with state of the art equipment and vehicles, doing battle in the 21st century (or 20th century) e.g. Sure, the USA is 10 times or more, greater in raw numbers and firepower militarily speaking, than either Britain or France, but would the USA particularly like to fight to the death with either (in the sandbox where this can happen, though in real life all three are strong allies of course)?
Clearly not. It'd be winnable for the USA, of course it would - but either the UK or France, in spite of being much smaller and less capable, would still be more than strong enough as official ''Great Powers'', with Tier 2 Blue Water Navies and plenty of state of the art tech, capable of giving the Americans a bloody nose (though hands down the USA would win in the end of course, in the 21st century at least)
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[2/2] If you want to see what it looks like when first world nations slog it out without remorse, see...big sections of the first half of the 20th century; i.e. the world wars.
e.g. Sure the British Empire's colonial possessions were literally 10 times the size of the German Empire's in 1914, yet this didn't stop the Germans being a pain in some places (though eventually the British and their allies crushed most German overseas opposition away from the Western Front, with one very important and infamous exception in the case of the deeds of Lettow von Vorbeck, though that is another matter)
Sure it was a David VS Goliath situation for the Germans to dare tread on the toes of the British Imperials at a time when British Imperialism was reaching it's apex of power, while their own Empire was so weak colonially (though immensely strong on the European continent of course; their one true forte) - but still they could achieve a lot of things.
This isn't like the Covenant VS the UNSC where the Covenant have an often ridiculously unfair advantage; no, in the case of the Ancient Humans VS the Forerunners, basically they were highly competitive were those Ancient Humans, in some fields.
According to a few things I've read, in some scientific fields and weapons technologies, they had even begun to win a slight lead. But in most regards, they were still behind the Forerunners.
This includes numerically, too. Humanity was always the underdog in that situation. Maybe had they been left alone and not messed up by the Flood, for say...another 100,000-200,000 years, the Humans would have begun to reach Forerunner levels of civilisational maturity in earnest.
In many fields and technologies, they needed far, far less than that, too - more like a few dozen years to catch up.
Obviously, the Forerunners themselves were (while apparently largely stagnant on a kind of plateau of grandeur) technically continuing to get more advanced too.
If humanity was on the verge of becoming a true rival of the Forerunners, the Forerunners themselves were long pushing towards something that was far beyond. The greatest among them were mindful of the superior technology and wisdom of the Precursors - the *only* species they deemed superior to themselves (though they had committed genocide on them 10 million years earlier, nonetheless)
To go toe to toe with the Forerunners for a thousand years, speaks to the might of Ancient Humanity. I'll grant you though, a millennia of war does seem a bit over the top. I don't particularly like that myself. 500 years tops, I think, would be better. It's just how it is written.
"Rule of Cool" VS realistic strategic logic? Perhaps. ''They did battle for a thousand years'' does sound cooler than, ''humanity got kicked the shit out of in a decade''.
I guess with HALO, the more grandiose time spans do have that sort of appeal.
3. From a naval standpoint, that could be Ancient Humanity's greatest forte. The UNSC Infinity was powerful enough to do serious hull damage to the Mantle's Approach (the Didact's flagship) with giant MAC's. Sure, the UNSC Infinity was the greatest warship the UNSC had ever built and was inspired by acquired understanding of reverse engineered Covenant and even Forerunner inspiration tech. However, we could safely assume that the UNSC Infinity, for all it's might, would be outclassed by Ancient Human warships of old. It stands to reason that this is the case. We know for a fact that Ancient Human vessels were purging life from entire planets rapidly, using glassing tech that far, far exceeded that of say, the Covenant.
If they could do that, they could maximise their firepower, in rapid strikes, getting a more balanced situation to play out. They didn't want to fight the far stronger Forerunners, but that is how it came to be (neither side appreciating that the Flood was simply biding it's time, allowing this to happen and indeed wanting it to)
The British Empire for most of it's history was never meant to maintain a very large standing army - it's forte was as a naval, maritime, trade oriented Empire of Commerce and Naval Might to reinforce it on the open oceans and along the sea lanes. Controlling key strategic fortress islands and geographic gateways (e.g. Gibraltar; e.g. Suez Canal; e.g. English Channel; e.g. Malta; e.g. Hong Kong etc)
Napoleon's Grande Armee was 5 to 6 times the size of the British Army on a good day for the British.
Though having a well-trained and well-equipped army of their own, with plenty of logistical support, artillery and elite units and heavy as well as light cavalry, they could NOT simply dump the entire British Army off in France and hope for the best. Against Napoleon? Whom with even a third as many men as he originally had (prior to 1812, at least) could probably crush any other army of the day?
Obviously not. Peripheral strategy on land was better in that case (see Peninsular War)
Britain's power was at sea. In that arena, Britain was dominant in that time, and for long after too. While Napoleon was too weak at sea to stop Britain, Britain couldn't directly risk her much smaller armies in a head-on march on Paris, if alone (Napoleon would have crushed any such attempt in his prime; no general in history won as many battles as him; 60 battles)
Britain wasn't interested in spending a lot of money on a big army. It wanted a fuck off massive navy instead.
Maybe the power of the Ancient Humans in HALO could be considered more of a space based naval power focused on expeditionary warfare, especially after it had coordinated massive evacuations across the Ancient Human Empire in the face of the Flood onslaught.
Maybe, relative to their ground forces, the Ancient Human navies were far bigger by then by necessity. Remember, 2/3 of humanity (i.e. all that escaped the Flood) were basically tidal surging themselves (totally uninvited) into Forerunner territory. To begin with, maybe the shock and awe of the humans would win through, but as the Forerunners began to properly kick into gear, thinks would end badly for them. But who knows...
It is known that Forthchencko, the Lord of Admirals, was very talented and had ordered the glassing of planets known to have Flood outbreaks from the start of contact with Forerunner worlds. He was a bold and crafty leader. 2 of the Didact's own sons perished fighting on Charum Hakkor at the end of the war.
Maybe the Lord of Admirals had made the most of a grossly numerically inferior fighting force, while the Forerunners themselves weren't fully committal to the conflict anyway?
Hard to know really.
For the Siege of Charum Hakkor itself to persist for over 50 years, shows a lot of bitterness and pride in the humans and Forerunners both. It was obviously going to be ending in human defeat.
It must also be remembered that Human AI, power armour, infantry weapons and hulls, were all at such a high standard technologically, that the Forerunners considered them a Tier 1.
For them to have done that proves just how much respect they had for each other.
Sure, the Forerunners instantly lost that respect and soon hated the Humans (but from their point of view it is really understandable - millions of their children apparently murdered) Realistically that would cause mayhem, let's face it.
P.S - Here are a few more ideas worth thinking about:
- the Forerunners were hesitant to obliterate or damage their own worlds.
- the Humans had no such hindrance and could wipe out entire planets if they really wanted to.
- the Forerunners may well have underestimated the magnitude of the conflict while the Humans may have fought more creatively.
Again, rather difficult to tell. Suffice it to say that Humanity did well - but the Forerunners were like:
"Anything you can do I can do better, anything you can do I can do better you!" because, well, they just could (e.g. Having the absolute best mastery of slipspace travel, the Forerunners were superior in that regard, performing exquisitely precise jumps and manoeuvres that were the envy of all)
Yet still, humanity held for a thousand years. Most of what was left of the warships of Ancient Humanity, were turned into a debris field outside Charum Hakkor by the Forerunners (though this siege was a nightmare for both sides and the Forerunners suffered heavy losses)
Like I say, a big part of me wonders that the more you think about the figures, the less it makes sense. Sure, the Forerunner-Flood War was 300 years. I can actually believe that.
But 1,000 for the Human-Forerunner War?
Meh, not sold on it myself. What it boiled down to was attrition slog that saw both sides lose out.
*Cui Bono?*
(''to whom is it a benefit?'')
**Primordial laughing maniacally while petting Mendicant Bias like a cat Dr Evil style**
Both humanity and the Forerunners lost really. Militarily, sure, the Forerunners comprehensively and decisively shattered Ancient Humanity; their sheer size and power dominating as was predictable. But millions of Forerunners died in the Human-Forerunner War, understandably enough.
- Also keep in mind that both sides utilise life-extending combat suits. Ancients humans could live centuries longer than they do now in our real world. Forerunners meanwhile were virtually able to live forever with their sheer mastery of combat suits.
Anyhow, essay over lol
Forerunners VS Ancient Humans reminds me of the AVP (Alien VS Predator) 2004 tagline - ''whoever wins, we lose!'' - except in reverse; ''whoever wins, the Flood win''.
9:15 Captain Keys did the same thing alright who copied who
Keyes did it first, and better so Anakin copied him.
@@austinkersey2445 hell yeah he did so keys is a bad ass! 💪😎.... except for his invincible dick marines when i kill him in the first game...
Any webpage or book about tactics and logistics even strategies I can read so I can get more info for my fan novel?
Basically spider Thrawn
Patton had the power of the "Enigma"... of course he thought he was unstoppable, because he was... looking at later ww2 in greater detail with the Enigma in mind changes every aspect about it, many battles were won, because the generals in command had a cheat sheet; taking nothing away from the man, the myth, the legend himself, but it is interesting to consider how his legacy would be remembered if the allies didn't break Enigma...
That and he had a near eidetic memory considering he identified structures and landmarks in Europe for his men, despite having not been to Europe in over forty years or so. Despite his flaws, the guy was still a very *very* competent general.
@@austinkersey2445 he would've lead the invasion of europe if it weren't for the slapping incident one would assume... He expected a lot from his troops, sometimes too much
@@edwardness7497 You need to be tough to survive war, but who knows he could have pushed some too far.
@@austinkersey2445 Patton saw it that if a couple of soldiers pleaded mental health as a reason to get out of war, they all might consider it... you have to be tough to survive war; you have to be just as tough to survive when you get back home, but a different sought of toughness... wonder if Patton's like survives in this age, and is that a good or a bad thing, and do people have the luxury of critiquing Patton because the world is currently not at war...
@@edwardness7497 Valid points.
I love you Allen!
He's a giant spider that's why he's terrifying.
Are there any force sensitive hatch in Canon or Legends?
I love the way he speaks tststststs!
You may have never owned any trantulas but I have owned multiple different special types of trantulas and they are in fact quite active web makers.
The friendly neighborhood spiderman
I wonder if their size means that they had a combination endo/exo skeleton?
Spiders...
0:01 That's called the pregnant mom stance.
Cool!
RIP Admiral Trench
Gen Tech, next video is Trench vs Thrawn
He should have been in Grievous's Place
I love you Allen
what is the source for amiral trench past?? How did you know??
🤔🤔
suck how trench was just killed off like how he was in season 7 i wish we could see his character again in any future movies or tv series around the end of the clone wars
Random idea for how to (sort of) bring Trench back in the New Republic era (or other future Star Wars eras):
Trench's entire personality was copied/downloaded by Wat Tambor and the Techno Union
(as part of a joint Separatist project intended to create even smarter algorithms/tactical droids),
but because the Echo-based algorithm was easier to work with
(thus more immediately profitable in Wat Tambor's eyes),
the Trench AI prototype was left behind to collect dust in the Techno Union archives
(right up until the Techno Union's surviving scientists learned of Vader/Palpatine's betrayal on Mustafar, and then swiftly responded by uploading the Trench AI to the one remote unspecified place that not even the Empire would be never be able to find)
(Cue the transition to present-day/future era hijinks from greedy scavengers/pirates, who accidentally awaken the Trench AI from its several-decades long slumber...)
amazing