You do not need analog gear. If you have it, get it in, if not get it in. Express yourself however you choose people. Analog or digital, whatever. Make good music people.👊🏾💯
Agree, I remember few years ago I answered to another youtuber and said the same thing. These famous mixers are getting cut out of sales, they always say this or that is my favorite plugin like there is one only tool to make your mix better. It’s misleading. Great observation.
The number 1 engineer gatekeeping a lot of gems for up and coming engineers. I know exactly who you are talking about. I won't put his name out but I'm 100 percent with you on this Plat💯💪🏿
Chill man. There is no analog vs digital debate in 2024 like in the 80’s. Digital wins because of the workflow and that is the most important aspect of a busy professional audio engineer, efficiency and time. And he is the most open, most helpful and a great educator of all the mixers.
This video was really not about analog vs digital. I have a video on that. This is about integrity and being truthful about your intent. I have the luxury of time, so i don't have to use verbal kung fu to make money. I don't know how you measure GREAT EDUCATORS, i wouldn't say he's great; but hey thanks for the comment.
@@Platnumbaby analog the Foundation like plat said in video it has to go through Analog to get int digital world to have that amazing work flow but work flow doesn't trump sound in this music game its not the best work flow its the best sound
@@MetropolitanCableTv that’s cause it’s a small community and it’s a feel good community. People don’t want to offend anyone because they want to fit in. I don’t care cause I probably got more money than most of them and make more money 😂
I use a Preamp and Compressor hardware going in for vocals. They will never be a substitute for analog gear and yes, it cost a lot of money but that's what makes the beautiful sound that we all love. Analog gear has a 3D effect that can't be replicated with plugins, close but not there yet... The closest thing I've heard is Acustica Stuff.
That company is on to something. I don't understand why we not there with the other companies yet. Mostly likely money and to keep us buying there plug-ins. You right the preamps haven't been mastered yet either, even tho they claim it. It's coming tho.
To hear the difference between analog and digital music, listen for a perceived "warmth" and naturalness in analog recordings, often described as having more texture and subtle nuances, while digital music might sound more clinical, precise, and potentially lacking in certain low-level details, especially when comparing high-quality playback systems on good speakers; the difference can be subtle and may depend on the recording quality and your own hearing sensitivity. The first answer on google
Hey man I hear you, I use my headphones, my near fields, and my cubes, for mixing and mastering now, I recorded some songs with unwanted noises, seems you could only hear it with the cubes, other unwanted stuff with the headphones, I use those big blasters after mixing is done, yhuuuu.
I agree 100%. I record my vocals for my customers with analog gear. I use universal audio 6176 in every blue moon Avalon 737 that’s how I track vocals but I do mix inside the box.
Agree 100%. His messaging doesn’t make sense either. For example, he spoke about how he uses effects and how it’s the best way to use them, but the plug-in doesn’t allow you to use the individual effects in the way he suggests in previous videos. At the end of the day, we all need to think and not just blindly follow. I sometimes am guilty of that, but I do try and think about what people are telling me I should do, especially with products.
What's your setup? At that price point choosing between the Red, Antelope Galaxy, RME UFX3 or Apollo X16, etc is going to come down to the features most important to you.
@@chrisscott7092 drum machines and a lots of synths..i want I/o I need to connect to a HDX card (only 1 card) Some instruments (bass guitar,acoustics) SSL XL Desk (500 series across the top..30K range) 1x Rupert Bus 1xSSL Fusion NS-10M's Avatone CLA (dont ask why both) Avatone Cubes current situation still shopping for a new/used monitor controller ..and interfafce
@@DGGZ-EFXCool. Try to find someone with experience with a Red16 setup. Maybe reach out to Vintage King or Sweetwater to get a good baseline. I've seen a few good online resources for Pro Tools based multi Apollo and Antelope setups for high I/O systems. When researching try to consider some of the hidden costs. Cabling, patchbay(s) if needed, additional hardware to use the interface's digital I/O adat,Madi,Dante if needed. Even on a larger budget it adds up quick.
@@CertifiedBeatz86 one at a time bro one at a time. Thanks for the sub and don’t forget to like; more to come. What is something you would want to hear from me?
@Platnumbaby let's talk about ad/da converters. I feel like it's very important to those who are very serious about getting the source right from the beginning to the end. And sorry for the late response. Didn't realize you left me a comment.
Great points Cortana can we get some music samples now punctures the surface, I want to hear some of that gear put to use. Let's get some LA 2A samples
@@Sance21 no experience with them. They have to be good, there are a lot RUclipsrs who promote their products, but doesn’t always means it good though 😂
Now they’ve started with recall ability gear. Looks like they all want us using Bettermaker and Wes Audio ONLY! Go ahead! My fav pieces with no fucking recall will become more affordable…
I myself started in analog, but back than Triton keyboards and MPC and all those essential pieces of gear are very expensive. In addition I like recall because I can always come back to an original mix and digital allows allot of flexibility in that area as well cost. Physical keyboards have not come down in price either. I tell anybody get a good audio interface, good monitors a decent MIDI keyboard an mpc and Maschine with NI plug-ins and a decent computer and you have a good starting point.
I do think a lot of the professionals move to ITB because of workflow. Its just so much faster in terms of recall and revisions, and you can take it anywhere. Time is money. On that level, I get it. Plus, as we all know, one can get a fantastic mix ITB its just a different type of skill and requires a bit of a different approach. I think its "easier" for them for those reasons. Now, if they want to work with a company to make a plugin that fits their personal workflow - I personally don't have a problem with that. I have several times, wished a certain type of plugin existed that doesn't - and if I was as big of an engineer as them, I may actually hit up a plugin company to make my thing, if only for me. Idk if that makes sense. Regarding EQs, man idk - some analog EQs sound so freaking good. I still haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like a curve bender, or like an API.
I get it that today's engineers have to do what they got to do. But they should be honest about it. As far EQ, (compared to HW compressors) in general a plugin can get the job done. I have outboard eq's but this before plugins got better. I do want Massive Passive, but I don't think I need it, not at 6k (I'll buy one used). I am just a gear head. I compared the SSL eq's with my hardware eq's and it's there bro. Even MB says he loves 9000 plugin and it sound like the real thing to him. That's all I was saying about eq. Thanks for the feedback, I hope you subscribe and we can continue to have conversations like this in the future. CUNDA Music
@@Platnumbaby Subscribed! Good to know about the SSL EQs! If youre in the market for a Mass Pass, Id recommend checking out the Wes Audio Tube EQ. A lot of engineers say it sounds better, and its 1k cheaper (The MP can tend to sound smeary and is very very sensitive to gainstaging, especially low end, likely due to the xformers.). Alternatively, the new IGS 825 EQ looks freaking sick. I am currently torn between all three. All of that being said, you already have a Manley VM, one of my favs, and hundreds of hit records have been made with the Manley VM + MP combo on the master buss and they sound pretty damn good
At 3:20 you "quote" this engineer saying "now you don't need monitors". But he never said that. He said he does most of his mixing and starts with headphones, yet he still uses monitors (and he even promotes the use of 9.1.6 setups, which is a lot of speakers). This engineer is one of thos who constantly rethink their job. He's used and showed many times his protools mixing template and he says it's always evolving.
@@sebguyader I understand, I said he (at 2:45)generalized that you find mixing with monitors is wrong. I look at the overall context of the message and the product he is selling and the fact that he mislead for years the idea of mixing in the box without clarification that you need hardware. He is selling a product of course he’s going to say mixing with monitor you find so much wrong. That is not true. Only things Headsets tell me is balance and panning.
@@ירח never use the focus-rite isa it’s never been on my radar. I always heard it has a fluffy and very colored sound. Dont know if that’s true. But is what I heard so I stay away from it. Maybe someone who has one can chime in. I never like the color of them either. If you can hold out and save a little more buy a Neve 1073 the one that is 1,700, it would be worth the wait.
@Platnumbaby Studio true there is nothing like analog today plugins try to match analog gear and there is no way to get that organic sound for me i do my best to keep analog on my bass an drums and your right there is a comp out that says you can use an analog button on it that gives you that white noise that analog creates organically lol which its not its just an fx they added it at this point they cant copy analog now they do record stuff and turn them into samples which turns it digital so that's a different when mastering. Good video you should dig deeper in this you onto to something
Most of us watching this know enough about creating music. Grammys are being won by works done in the box. Analog gear will still capture your recordings the best. Go in analog. But After that, you're better off all in the box mixing. The difference in software vs hardware at the mixing stage is minimal, negligible and not worth the extra thousands. Imho
@@KeithMarvK thanks it s not the argument about which one is better. It’s that they make it seem as you don’t need it. That’s the lie!!! The Grammy are won because of analog sound and not just the mixes them selves.
@Platnumbaby I don't think analog is needed at the mixing stage. The software is amazing these days. But I'm absolutely an advocate for using analog in the recording stage. It's a must!
@ The advantage he has is the clients he works with already records everything in world class studios and already run through the best gear money can buy. So the mix is damn near done by the time he gets the session. The clients we work with don’t even know how to set the gain on the mic and don’t buy the stems to the beat or they just take the beat off RUclips. 🤣🤣🤣
@Iike I said 75%+ of hit records are in the box. The notion that you need analog gear or the fact that analog gear will get you better mixes is rubbish. Some analog gear does have qualities to it that can’t be achieved in the box but it’s left to be seen in the final results in 2024
The guy you're referring to is right (and I think I know who you're talking about). But the truth is, you don't need analog gear. He's referring to, you don't need tens of thousands of dollars worth of outboard equipment to make music. Of course plugins can get you to a finished production. You may say, "well you need outboard gear because what about the mic?" That's not what he's referring to. He's simply talking about audio processing and effects. Now you may wonder, "then why does analog gear cost more?" Well the truth is, analog gear has to be soldered component by component. So there's labor costs. Also, those components cost money. So there's another cost for parts. They need to pay for the location where the gear is built, etc. And each unit they make, they have to pay additional in costs. On the other hand, software is different... Once you code a plugin, that's the unit. You then sell thousands of copies from just one plugin build. You see the difference? To sum everything up: Analog gear isn't needed. But some analog gear may sound better than some plugins on the market. Regardless, you can make music with either.
@@CaptainCricket3D it’s not about making music, it’s about capturing the music. Your music may sound good but does it feel good. That’s the difference. Thanks please like and subscribe. Great feedback
Full of sh*t as a Christmas goose. I could play two tracks side by side, one mixed with analog and one all digital and you’d never know which is which. Same goes for synths and effects. You like your analog, that’s wonderful… but slow down on the oldschool rhetoric that’s been debunked for well over a decade.
Ppl can tell the difference because of ranges. If you can't tell then that's what you say, but speaking for folks that ha e done this probably longer than you is ridiculous. Nothing has been debunked that is a fking lie. Point to the scientific, and yes it must be because audio is a researched subject matter with degrees associated with it, study that says what you just lied about.
Tell me about it they trying to set us up so our mixes don’t sound as good lol I been peeped that I’m more of of hybrid guy I have my outboard compressors preamps bus compressors any never getting rid of them smh
fact is you can get great mix in the box the only person going to hair that shit is the 1 % like you who loves analog !!99 % of the planet do not care !! and yes for input recording even the mic is analog so it all makes sense you do not need analog for great mix or production
Thanks, great recordings comes from analog, name one song that was recorded digital without any analog? Not mixed but recorded, that is heard all over the world that people love. I'll be impress if you can. Name just one. That great mix you talking about starts with analog, that's the point. You can't record one sound without analog, that's the point. These companies are brain washing to sell products. It's a facade that you don't need analog to sell their products, got young people like you believing it. Thanks for comment, I enjoyed reading your post. Please like and subscribe.
I think I know who you are talking about. If it is who I think it is, I stopped taking anything he said seriously for quite some time. What these "famous mix engineers" leave out of the story is, yes you can mix ITB but the tracks they received have been recorded on world class ANALOG gear that has been properly recorded, performed and processed from a console. They are not working with a Focusrite 2i2 with vocals on a Rode NT out of someone's bedroom, basement or garage and are working with house money. Plugins have a place but they are not part of the incoming signal to a the tape machine or Pro Tools. The majority of these engineers are sponsored shills for these corporations whose agenda is to separate your funds from your wallet. Hardware compressors obliterate plugins and I would venture to say the same is true with inductor EQs as those can be pushed while remaining musical and adding body to the signal even in bypass. Analog keeps the source material 3d while digital makes things flat. The funny thing is people will claim digital is "just as good" but then ask yourself why is it every other day a new saturation, lo fi, analog emulator, fake tape machine hits the market? Mixing out the box or with a controller is faster and more efficient and like you said these top selling records are not being made and mixed soley with a mouse and keyboard although the marketers will try to convince you otherwise. My Sales Engineer at Sweetwater, who has done tons of professional work in film and composing, hipped me to the game and half truths a few back so thankfully I avoided a lot of the mistakes and bad purchases. One of the gems he shared was get the best mic you can afford as it should be the biggest investment in your signal chain, followed by a great preamp and then a good to decent compressor. This is backed up by multiple engineers that I have read in multiple books and magazines regarding the subject. He said otherwise you will never get the sound you are looking to capture and create in digital. I asked him point blank are these famous engineers on RUclips misleading and lying to us?... He said yes, absolutely yes. He said they are not telling you the entire process of recording and leaving out a lot of important details.
@@PurpleMusicProductions thanks for the feedback, everything I been saying and more. Please like and subscribe. I need good feedback from subscribers. Thanks oh and like
Scheps has been mixing almost exclusively on headphones for a very long time... over a decade? (He started just after Tchad Blake did the same.) Very famously, he always mixed on Sony MDR-7506's and JUST switched to Audeze (who now sponsor him). He checks that mix on monitors (old Tannoys I believe), but mixing in headphones is very much not a new development for him. It's what has worked +for him+. I've, personally, never heard him say that mixing in monitors is wrong (which is a crazy statement) but.. if that's what you heard...I won't doubt ya.
@@nilespeshay1734 I will post the time stamp once I get home from the video. I was shocked he said that but not surprised. He said in the video he’s been mixing a couple years solely with headphones. I think we all have a pair we mix with. But to say you need a certain pair of headphones and mixing in monitors is doing wrong, is crazy to me and definitely a promotion advertisement adventure.
😅@@Platnumbaby yes show that video and timestamp please. Because what I heard in his video for Audeze is not that he's mixed on headphones exclusively for 2 years, what he actually said is that it took him 2 years to choose the Audeze set that suits him best to replace his old Sony 7506. He's been mixing predominantly on headphones for almost 10 years, if you followed him you should know that because he said that many, many times
@@Platnumbaby OH! He's talking +exclusively+ about ATMOS/immersive mixes. He's saying that, given that your Atmos mix HAS TO fold down to headphones and that's where most ppl are gonna listen to it anyway, then you might as well START your ATMOS mix with headphones... That makes perfect sense.
He was talking about mixing Dolby Atmos in the new headphones not mixing in general. He never said “stop mixing on monitors buy my headphones” Context is key man. Also, he didn’t say YOU don’t need analog gear anymore. He said he doesn’t use it anymore. Tracking thru analog gear and mixing ITB are 2 completely different concepts and can also live in tandem. Just because you record thru outboard gear doesn’t mean you need to mix thru it too.
@@JoeySativa thanks for your input. Maybe you should watch a few of my other video to see I understand what you are saying before you assume I don’t know what I am talking about. I never said he said you don’t need analog gear, I was given an example of his implication of his lack of clarity, I said he made it seem like you don’t need it by not clarifying his ITB transition. I am fully aware of what I say when I say it. I said that if you record thru analog you are mixing analog regardless if it’s tracking or mixing.
@ nah i don’t doubt you know what you’re talking about at all, not trying to be rude. I just think the context and the intent behind his statements are misread. All the mixers in his class have transitioned to either completely ITB or a hybrid setup. It’s all preference but I don’t think Andrew’s tryna get to a selling point when he says you don’t need analog gear as much as you THINK you do.
@@JoeySativa thanks for the comments. I don’t think you rude. I welcome clarification, it makes for good content. So please subscribe would love to have you on the channel.
@Platnumbaby I like what you've done ✅. There is something very important to mention. Natural abilities. Some have them and others don't. That aspect is rarely told .
@@PlatnumbabyI was just sharing what I see on RUclips personally that’s what all the big time producers do now I’m no where near that lol but I get bro trust me
We all know analog is better. But you can still do amazing things in the box and headphones, it's all about the knowledge, the trained ears and the TASTE, which takes many years to develop.
You can devolp a ear but u can’t archive the dynamics and warmth by just a developed ear u gon need outboard gears tht can archive tht sonic u can try days and night wth plug-ins u cnt get tht coz thy use general computers which changes the sonic of the audio during processing
Cmon bro, smh you're in denial, I understand you feel the way you feel about hardware ima hardware guy myself, but IS TIME TO EVOLVE. PLUGINS CAUGHT UP!!! I was in denial like you for 3 years, I have over 80K in analog gearr just sitting there, I don't even use it anymore, you CAN get amazing mixes by just being in the box what are you even saying??? How you mad cause another man capitalized off plugins and headsets, ??? YOU DONT NEED MONITORS TO MIX OR HARDWARE, you can use monitors for reference. I been mixing in headsets for years!!!
@@envisagefilmshouston bro I am really starting to believe you don’t know what you are talking about. I said compressors are not there yet and maybe one day they will be. I also said eq are on point. I am not in denial of anything regarding hardware or software. I said i use both. I am SMH, that you didn’t listen to what I said and only heard what you wanted to hear. But I love your feedback. Keep it coming
@@Platnumbaby Im trying but guess what?? NOBODY WANTS IT!!! CAUSE IS NO LONGER NEEDED!!! And there's a lot of compressors in the box now that will give my TubeTech a run for its money! I'm more qualified to speak cause I own almost every piece of hardware you can think off except the new SPL stuff and other stuff that been out like 500 series and stuff, I own alot of gear and honestly I am trying to sell it!
@@envisagefilmshouston Bro i see hardware selling for 300 percent more than it did 5 years ago. You can sell it, but deep down you don't, the Box is not there yet. Sell it and sell it aaaalll. I am keeping my paper weights.
@@envisagefilmshoustonSale it on Reverb. I’ve been buy used gear for a few years now and it’s been working out for me. I’m trying to build my hybrid studio.
@@austinnichols3557 I am not that guy. I don’t need to make money off this. I already got money I do because I have experience I want to share and I am retired, so I got time.
its just a fact that that a Revox or a Nagra1/4 inch sound way way way more oomph kick in the groin , that any 192 mhz DAT or wawe file in the box - theres no way around that ! Fact !
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You do not need analog gear. If you have it, get it in, if not get it in. Express yourself however you choose people. Analog or digital, whatever. Make good music people.👊🏾💯
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Agree, I remember few years ago I answered to another youtuber and said the same thing. These famous mixers are getting cut out of sales, they always say this or that is my favorite plugin like there is one only tool to make your mix better. It’s misleading. Great observation.
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The number 1 engineer gatekeeping a lot of gems for up and coming engineers. I know exactly who you are talking about. I won't put his name out but I'm 100 percent with you on this Plat💯💪🏿
@@CertifiedBeatz86 yep
NAH PUT HIM OUT!! WHY YOU SCARED???
@@envisagefilmshouston not scared at all. Plat didn't put him out, so I won't put him out.
@@envisagefilmshouston not scared at all. Plat didn't put him out, so I won't put him out.
@@envisagefilmshouston we all know who I am talking about
Chill man. There is no analog vs digital debate in 2024 like in the 80’s. Digital wins because of the workflow and that is the most important aspect of a busy professional audio engineer, efficiency and time. And he is the most open, most helpful and a great educator of all the mixers.
This video was really not about analog vs digital. I have a video on that. This is about integrity and being truthful about your intent. I have the luxury of time, so i don't have to use verbal kung fu to make money. I don't know how you measure GREAT EDUCATORS, i wouldn't say he's great; but hey thanks for the comment.
@@Platnumbaby analog the Foundation like plat said in video it has to go through Analog to get int digital world to have that amazing work flow but work flow doesn't trump sound in this music game its not the best work flow its the best sound
@sarpozdemiroglu he hurt your feelings with simple logic, huh?
That wasn't an argument in the 80's😂😂😂
You the first person that saying something about these lying ass people…. They really need to be sued. You are 100% right.
@@MetropolitanCableTv that’s cause it’s a small community and it’s a feel good community. People don’t want to offend anyone because they want to fit in. I don’t care cause I probably got more money than most of them and make more money 😂
I use a Preamp and Compressor hardware going in for vocals. They will never be a substitute for analog gear and yes, it cost a lot of money but that's what makes the beautiful sound that we all love. Analog gear has a 3D effect that can't be replicated with plugins, close but not there yet... The closest thing I've heard is Acustica Stuff.
That company is on to something. I don't understand why we not there with the other companies yet. Mostly likely money and to keep us buying there plug-ins. You right the preamps haven't been mastered yet either, even tho they claim it. It's coming tho.
To hear the difference between analog and digital music, listen for a perceived "warmth" and naturalness in analog recordings, often described as having more texture and subtle nuances, while digital music might sound more clinical, precise, and potentially lacking in certain low-level details, especially when comparing high-quality playback systems on good speakers; the difference can be subtle and may depend on the recording quality and your own hearing sensitivity.
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You right. In this world we are sadly destined to sell a product, and if we don’t want to sell one then we will be assigned one.
@@vvundertone wow never thought about that but you right. All these guys are selling something
Chuuuuuch That’s why I Subbed Realist in the Game Platnum Baby Ent
Man you real I just subscribed to your channel I really appreciate your honest opinion
@@kelvinwilkins8406 thanks and hope you can grow with me on this journey
Hey man I hear you, I use my headphones, my near fields, and my cubes, for mixing and mastering now, I recorded some songs with unwanted noises, seems you could only hear it with the cubes, other unwanted stuff with the headphones, I use those big blasters after mixing is done, yhuuuu.
@@davidmcray8657 keep mixing bro
I do all my work in the box and I have no problem shipping platinum as long as I have enough spray paint to color the vinyl. Thanks for the video.
@@reeread thanks please like and subscribe
Damn this is a Sunday sermon for me!!!!
It’s hope ..it’s people with common sense that do exist….good video sir
@@DGGZ-EFX thanks the truth is always in front of us.
I agree 100%. I record my vocals for my customers with analog gear. I use universal audio 6176 in every blue moon Avalon 737 that’s how I track vocals but I do mix inside the box.
@@SoundSlingers thanks for sharing
Agree 100%. His messaging doesn’t make sense either. For example, he spoke about how he uses effects and how it’s the best way to use them, but the plug-in doesn’t allow you to use the individual effects in the way he suggests in previous videos. At the end of the day, we all need to think and not just blindly follow. I sometimes am guilty of that, but I do try and think about what people are telling me I should do, especially with products.
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RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE!! 💯💰
@@Ru5hMusic 😂 I know right, too many vowels in that jank
Community I need your help
Looking at focusrite red 16line what’s your opinion of this interface anyone ???
@@DGGZ-EFX don’t have it maybe someone here can help
What's your setup? At that price point choosing between the Red, Antelope Galaxy, RME UFX3 or Apollo X16, etc is going to come down to the features most important to you.
@@chrisscott7092 drum machines and a lots of synths..i want I/o I need to connect to a HDX card (only 1 card) Some instruments (bass guitar,acoustics) SSL XL Desk (500 series across the top..30K range)
1x Rupert Bus
1xSSL Fusion
NS-10M's
Avatone CLA (dont ask why both)
Avatone Cubes
current situation
still shopping for a new/used monitor controller ..and interfafce
@@DGGZ-EFXCool. Try to find someone with experience with a Red16 setup. Maybe reach out to Vintage King or Sweetwater to get a good baseline. I've seen a few good online resources for Pro Tools based multi Apollo and Antelope setups for high I/O systems. When researching try to consider some of the hidden costs. Cabling, patchbay(s) if needed, additional hardware to use the interface's digital I/O adat,Madi,Dante if needed. Even on a larger budget it adds up quick.
I knew it. You got my sub now.
@@CertifiedBeatz86 one at a time bro one at a time. Thanks for the sub and don’t forget to like; more to come. What is something you would want to hear from me?
@Platnumbaby let's talk about ad/da converters. I feel like it's very important to those who are very serious about getting the source right from the beginning to the end. And sorry for the late response. Didn't realize you left me a comment.
Great points Cortana can we get some music samples now punctures the surface, I want to hear some of that gear put to use. Let's get some LA 2A samples
@@hottrakz 😂 what’s up Bro. Congrats. You know I get that audience numbers up. But it’s most definitely coming and more.
Who are you talking about? Are you talking about slate or Jaycen Joshua?
I think slate. This video mentioned headsets (I guess Slate VSX)
What do you think of the WesAudio 500 series? I’ve heard there’s more headroom with those closer to 19” units. Any experience with those modules?
@@Sance21 no experience with them. They have to be good, there are a lot RUclipsrs who promote their products, but doesn’t always means it good though 😂
Now they’ve started with recall ability gear. Looks like they all want us using Bettermaker and Wes Audio ONLY! Go ahead! My fav pieces with no fucking recall will become more affordable…
@@Mike-vr7mb I think it’s cool. But I bounce all my stems, so no need for recall gear for me. Great idea though
Let's hope so... Last time I check prices where going up with Gear but, it's like stock market and fluctuates. Would be nice though.
Those units without recall will become "vintage" units. Since when does vintage equipment become cheaper? Never.
I myself started in analog, but back than Triton keyboards and MPC and all those essential pieces of gear are very expensive. In addition I like recall because I can always come back to an original mix and digital allows allot of flexibility in that area as well cost. Physical keyboards have not come down in price either. I tell anybody get a good audio interface, good monitors a decent MIDI keyboard an mpc and Maschine with NI plug-ins and a decent computer and you have a good starting point.
bro preach yes!
@@larrytan73 thanks just telling my truth. Please like and subscribe
I do think a lot of the professionals move to ITB because of workflow. Its just so much faster in terms of recall and revisions, and you can take it anywhere. Time is money. On that level, I get it. Plus, as we all know, one can get a fantastic mix ITB its just a different type of skill and requires a bit of a different approach. I think its "easier" for them for those reasons. Now, if they want to work with a company to make a plugin that fits their personal workflow - I personally don't have a problem with that. I have several times, wished a certain type of plugin existed that doesn't - and if I was as big of an engineer as them, I may actually hit up a plugin company to make my thing, if only for me. Idk if that makes sense.
Regarding EQs, man idk - some analog EQs sound so freaking good. I still haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like a curve bender, or like an API.
I get it that today's engineers have to do what they got to do. But they should be honest about it. As far EQ, (compared to HW compressors) in general a plugin can get the job done. I have outboard eq's but this before plugins got better. I do want Massive Passive, but I don't think I need it, not at 6k (I'll buy one used). I am just a gear head. I compared the SSL eq's with my hardware eq's and it's there bro.
Even MB says he loves 9000 plugin and it sound like the real thing to him. That's all I was saying about eq. Thanks for the feedback, I hope you subscribe and we can continue to have conversations like this in the future. CUNDA Music
@@Platnumbaby Subscribed! Good to know about the SSL EQs! If youre in the market for a Mass Pass, Id recommend checking out the Wes Audio Tube EQ. A lot of engineers say it sounds better, and its 1k cheaper (The MP can tend to sound smeary and is very very sensitive to gainstaging, especially low end, likely due to the xformers.). Alternatively, the new IGS 825 EQ looks freaking sick. I am currently torn between all three. All of that being said, you already have a Manley VM, one of my favs, and hundreds of hit records have been made with the Manley VM + MP combo on the master buss and they sound pretty damn good
At 3:20 you "quote" this engineer saying "now you don't need monitors". But he never said that. He said he does most of his mixing and starts with headphones, yet he still uses monitors (and he even promotes the use of 9.1.6 setups, which is a lot of speakers). This engineer is one of thos who constantly rethink their job. He's used and showed many times his protools mixing template and he says it's always evolving.
@@sebguyader I understand, I said he (at 2:45)generalized that you find mixing with monitors is wrong. I look at the overall context of the message and the product he is selling and the fact that he mislead for years the idea of mixing in the box without clarification that you need hardware. He is selling a product of course he’s going to say mixing with monitor you find so much wrong. That is not true. Only things Headsets tell me is balance and panning.
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Plat your thoughts on focusrite isa series preamps
Debating to get the isa tow today or the warm 73 no eq
@@ירח never use the focus-rite isa it’s never been on my radar. I always heard it has a fluffy and very colored sound. Dont know if that’s true. But is what I heard so I stay away from it. Maybe someone who has one can chime in. I never like the color of them either. If you can hold out and save a little more buy a Neve 1073 the one that is 1,700, it would be worth the wait.
@@Platnumbaby yeah i like the Neve i got the bae 1073mp
All facts
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@Platnumbaby Studio true there is nothing like analog today plugins try to match analog gear and there is no way to get that organic sound for me i do my best to keep analog on my bass an drums and your right there is a comp out that says you can use an analog button on it that gives you that white noise that analog creates organically lol which its not its just an fx they added it at this point they cant copy analog now they do record stuff and turn them into samples which turns it digital so that's a different when mastering. Good video you should dig deeper in this you onto to something
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@@Platnumbaby defiantly a good topic to explore even to the point back in the day they did not smash the life out of songs like the do today
Most of us watching this know enough about creating music.
Grammys are being won by works done in the box.
Analog gear will still capture your recordings the best. Go in analog. But After that, you're better off all in the box mixing. The difference in software vs hardware at the mixing stage is minimal, negligible and not worth the extra thousands. Imho
@@KeithMarvK thanks it s not the argument about which one is better. It’s that they make it seem as you don’t need it. That’s the lie!!! The Grammy are won because of analog sound and not just the mixes them selves.
@Platnumbaby I don't think analog is needed at the mixing stage. The software is amazing these days. But I'm absolutely an advocate for using analog in the recording stage. It's a must!
Andrew Scheps?
@@bikesandbeats4693 😂
@ The advantage he has is the clients he works with already records everything in world class studios and already run through the best gear money can buy. So the mix is damn near done by the time he gets the session. The clients we work with don’t even know how to set the gain on the mic and don’t buy the stems to the beat or they just take the beat off RUclips. 🤣🤣🤣
@@bikesandbeats4693 my point exactly, and all he has to say is just that. I think he might have years later, not sure about that though
i know who u talking about i was thinking same thang bruh...he do that to stumble people up and generate another income on the side
@@sagamuzikgroup4168 yeah that’s why I stop following him
99% of the tips on RUclips are lies, but 75% of platinum mixers are 100% solely in the box
Well there no lies here
@Iike I said 75%+ of hit records are in the box. The notion that you need analog gear or the fact that analog gear will get you better mixes is rubbish. Some analog gear does have qualities to it that can’t be achieved in the box but it’s left to be seen in the final results in 2024
I came up learning on the box only bc i couldn't afford analog id love to make a beat wit sum log quip
@@TheLouDog420 keep that same hunger and you will
The guy you're referring to is right (and I think I know who you're talking about). But the truth is, you don't need analog gear. He's referring to, you don't need tens of thousands of dollars worth of outboard equipment to make music. Of course plugins can get you to a finished production.
You may say, "well you need outboard gear because what about the mic?" That's not what he's referring to. He's simply talking about audio processing and effects.
Now you may wonder, "then why does analog gear cost more?" Well the truth is, analog gear has to be soldered component by component. So there's labor costs. Also, those components cost money. So there's another cost for parts. They need to pay for the location where the gear is built, etc. And each unit they make, they have to pay additional in costs. On the other hand, software is different... Once you code a plugin, that's the unit. You then sell thousands of copies from just one plugin build. You see the difference?
To sum everything up: Analog gear isn't needed. But some analog gear may sound better than some plugins on the market. Regardless, you can make music with either.
@@CaptainCricket3D it’s not about making music, it’s about capturing the music. Your music may sound good but does it feel good. That’s the difference. Thanks please like and subscribe. Great feedback
Full of sh*t as a Christmas goose. I could play two tracks side by side, one mixed with analog and one all digital and you’d never know which is which.
Same goes for synths and effects.
You like your analog, that’s wonderful… but slow down on the oldschool rhetoric that’s been debunked for well over a decade.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf thanks for your input;
Apologies for it being such a c*nty and contrary take. Hope it feeds your channel and algorithm for the better all the same.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf its a lots of engineers that get platinum mixes in the box
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf I appreciate you. I need people that will make my channel interesting. I can't be right about everything.
Ppl can tell the difference because of ranges. If you can't tell then that's what you say, but speaking for folks that ha e done this probably longer than you is ridiculous. Nothing has been debunked that is a fking lie. Point to the scientific, and yes it must be because audio is a researched subject matter with degrees associated with it, study that says what you just lied about.
Tell me about it they trying to set us up so our mixes don’t sound as good lol I been peeped that I’m more of of hybrid guy I have my outboard compressors preamps bus compressors any never getting rid of them smh
@@Mixedbyquadeyg yeah I hope that bubble crash so I can buy so more boutique pieces at a lower price 😂
I JUST SAID THIS TO SOMEONE!!!!!
@@jeromemeadows2051 yeah I think people are catches on to these scam. Overpriced gear.
Ooh weee….thumbnail title ..what’s this about ??
@@DGGZ-EFX 😂 did you watch it
fact is you can get great mix in the box the only person going to hair that shit is the 1 % like you who loves analog !!99 % of the planet do not care !! and yes for input recording even the mic is analog so it all makes sense you do not need analog for great mix or production
Thanks, great recordings comes from analog, name one song that was recorded digital without any analog? Not mixed but recorded, that is heard all over the world that people love. I'll be impress if you can. Name just one. That great mix you talking about starts with analog, that's the point. You can't record one sound without analog, that's the point. These companies are brain washing to sell products. It's a facade that you don't need analog to sell their products, got young people like you believing it. Thanks for comment, I enjoyed reading your post. Please like and subscribe.
I think I know who you are talking about. If it is who I think it is, I stopped taking anything he said seriously for quite some time. What these "famous mix engineers" leave out of the story is, yes you can mix ITB but the tracks they received have been recorded on world class ANALOG gear that has been properly recorded, performed and processed from a console. They are not working with a Focusrite 2i2 with vocals on a Rode NT out of someone's bedroom, basement or garage and are working with house money. Plugins have a place but they are not part of the incoming signal to a the tape machine or Pro Tools. The majority of these engineers are sponsored shills for these corporations whose agenda is to separate your funds from your wallet. Hardware compressors obliterate plugins and I would venture to say the same is true with inductor EQs as those can be pushed while remaining musical and adding body to the signal even in bypass. Analog keeps the source material 3d while digital makes things flat. The funny thing is people will claim digital is "just as good" but then ask yourself why is it every other day a new saturation, lo fi, analog emulator, fake tape machine hits the market? Mixing out the box or with a controller is faster and more efficient and like you said these top selling records are not being made and mixed soley with a mouse and keyboard although the marketers will try to convince you otherwise. My Sales Engineer at Sweetwater, who has done tons of professional work in film and composing, hipped me to the game and half truths a few back so thankfully I avoided a lot of the mistakes and bad purchases. One of the gems he shared was get the best mic you can afford as it should be the biggest investment in your signal chain, followed by a great preamp and then a good to decent compressor. This is backed up by multiple engineers that I have read in multiple books and magazines regarding the subject. He said otherwise you will never get the sound you are looking to capture and create in digital. I asked him point blank are these famous engineers on RUclips misleading and lying to us?... He said yes, absolutely yes. He said they are not telling you the entire process of recording and leaving out a lot of important details.
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Scheps has been mixing almost exclusively on headphones for a very long time... over a decade? (He started just after Tchad Blake did the same.) Very famously, he always mixed on Sony MDR-7506's and JUST switched to Audeze (who now sponsor him). He checks that mix on monitors (old Tannoys I believe), but mixing in headphones is very much not a new development for him. It's what has worked +for him+.
I've, personally, never heard him say that mixing in monitors is wrong (which is a crazy statement) but.. if that's what you heard...I won't doubt ya.
@@nilespeshay1734 I will post the time stamp once I get home from the video. I was shocked he said that but not surprised. He said in the video he’s been mixing a couple years solely with headphones. I think we all have a pair we mix with. But to say you need a certain pair of headphones and mixing in monitors is doing wrong, is crazy to me and definitely a promotion advertisement adventure.
😅@@Platnumbaby yes show that video and timestamp please. Because what I heard in his video for Audeze is not that he's mixed on headphones exclusively for 2 years, what he actually said is that it took him 2 years to choose the Audeze set that suits him best to replace his old Sony 7506. He's been mixing predominantly on headphones for almost 10 years, if you followed him you should know that because he said that many, many times
Audeze Artist Demos at 1:07 - 135 and 2:34. It’s best to watch the whole thing.
@@sebguyader you will have to understand he is trying to sell headsets but he didn’t have to say mixing in monitors is wrong
@@Platnumbaby OH! He's talking +exclusively+ about ATMOS/immersive mixes.
He's saying that, given that your Atmos mix HAS TO fold down to headphones and that's where most ppl are gonna listen to it anyway, then you might as well START your ATMOS mix with headphones... That makes perfect sense.
Damn bro you a goat
@@TheLouDog420 thanks man but I am still learning
He was talking about mixing Dolby Atmos in the new headphones not mixing in general. He never said “stop mixing on monitors buy my headphones” Context is key man. Also, he didn’t say YOU don’t need analog gear anymore. He said he doesn’t use it anymore. Tracking thru analog gear and mixing ITB are 2 completely different concepts and can also live in tandem. Just because you record thru outboard gear doesn’t mean you need to mix thru it too.
@@JoeySativa thanks for your input. Maybe you should watch a few of my other video to see I understand what you are saying before you assume I don’t know what I am talking about. I never said he said you don’t need analog gear, I was given an example of his implication of his lack of clarity, I said he made it seem like you don’t need it by not clarifying his ITB transition. I am fully aware of what I say when I say it. I said that if you record thru analog you are mixing analog regardless if it’s tracking or mixing.
@ nah i don’t doubt you know what you’re talking about at all, not trying to be rude. I just think the context and the intent behind his statements are misread. All the mixers in his class have transitioned to either completely ITB or a hybrid setup. It’s all preference but I don’t think Andrew’s tryna get to a selling point when he says you don’t need analog gear as much as you THINK you do.
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@@JoeySativa thanks for the comments. I don’t think you rude. I welcome clarification, it makes for good content. So please subscribe would love to have you on the channel.
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What you're saying is interesting. Please can we get acces to your body of work
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@Platnumbaby I like what you've done ✅. There is something very important to mention. Natural abilities. Some have them and others don't. That aspect is rarely told .
@@lebcaleb8692 thanks
hardwhere gANG all the way and that shit ant cheap!!!!!!!!
True
You do realize he's only talking about mixing not tracking
@@NormanWaller-x7o the problem is he never says that. It’s misleading. Your mixing track that was tracked by analog. Thanks please like and subscribe
Producers are getting paid these days to promote products plug ins and all my g it’s the new wave just saying
@@UTENOW I agree but don’t dog out how you got here for the money
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@@PlatnumbabyI was just sharing what I see on RUclips personally that’s what all the big time producers do now I’m no where near that lol but I get bro trust me
We all know analog is better.
But you can still do amazing things in the box and headphones, it's all about the knowledge, the trained ears and the TASTE, which takes many years to develop.
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You can devolp a ear but u can’t archive the dynamics and warmth by just a developed ear u gon need outboard gears tht can archive tht sonic u can try days and night wth plug-ins u cnt get tht coz thy use general computers which changes the sonic of the audio during processing
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Are the Content Creators Former Guitar Center Sales Associates GC been Dry lately 😂😂😂😂 ain’t nobody making music they just selling Gear
@@dojotelevision7076 the music industry has changed and engineers are making money with total disregard to how they really feel about products
CLA lol
I’ve been telling this fools this for yrs but they want to believe them and argue with you. I hybrid mix and there’s nothing like analog. 💪🏾💪🏾💯
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Cmon bro, smh you're in denial, I understand you feel the way you feel about hardware ima hardware guy myself, but IS TIME TO EVOLVE. PLUGINS CAUGHT UP!!! I was in denial like you for 3 years, I have over 80K in analog gearr just sitting there, I don't even use it anymore, you CAN get amazing mixes by just being in the box what are you even saying??? How you mad cause another man capitalized off plugins and headsets, ??? YOU DONT NEED MONITORS TO MIX OR HARDWARE, you can use monitors for reference. I been mixing in headsets for years!!!
@@envisagefilmshouston bro I am really starting to believe you don’t know what you are talking about. I said compressors are not there yet and maybe one day they will be. I also said eq are on point. I am not in denial of anything regarding hardware or software. I said i use both. I am SMH, that you didn’t listen to what I said and only heard what you wanted to hear. But I love your feedback. Keep it coming
@@envisagefilmshouston if you feel so strongly about sell all your gear.
@@Platnumbaby Im trying but guess what?? NOBODY WANTS IT!!! CAUSE IS NO LONGER NEEDED!!! And there's a lot of compressors in the box now that will give my TubeTech a run for its money! I'm more qualified to speak cause I own almost every piece of hardware you can think off except the new SPL stuff and other stuff that been out like 500 series and stuff, I own alot of gear and honestly I am trying to sell it!
@@envisagefilmshouston Bro i see hardware selling for 300 percent more than it did 5 years ago. You can sell it, but deep down you don't, the Box is not there yet. Sell it and sell it aaaalll. I am keeping my paper weights.
@@envisagefilmshoustonSale it on Reverb. I’ve been buy used gear for a few years now and it’s been working out for me. I’m trying to build my hybrid studio.
seems like this could become a dope channel one day if more effort is put in to make better quality videos with less rambling
@@austinnichols3557 I am not that guy. I don’t need to make money off this. I already got money I do because I have experience I want to share and I am retired, so I got time.
its just a fact that that a Revox or a Nagra1/4 inch sound way way way more oomph kick in the groin , that any 192 mhz DAT or wawe file in the box - theres no way around that ! Fact !
@@MikkelGrumBovin thanks for the input please like and subscribe
@@Platnumbaby done !